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Two years ago, the team was one starting power forward short of being very good.  A genuine starter could have gotten this team through perhaps two playoff rounds.  That was a very good three-guard rotation and Salmons  was a real asset.   Thomas was a backup but could be effective in spurts.

Instead, the Bulls gave away Gordon, Hinrich, Tyrus and Salmons for NOTHING in order to save money, I mean clear cap space.  Did anybody really think any of those top free agents was going to sign with these bad actors?

So now we have replaced those four with Boozer and two second team guards leaving no depth at small forward.  We now have a starting power forward and unaddressed needs elsewhere.

It makes monetary sense but it's really pathetic.



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I disagree.

We got our starting power forward, and gave up nothing of any consequence.

Gordon’s gone because he stupidly turned down two very good offers from the Bulls. Hinrich was overpaid, and is gone because the Org went all in on free agency – something that no one would have admonished if it had landed us Bron and Bosh. Tyrus needed a change of scenery, and frankly hasn’t played much better since heading to Charlotte. Salmons was a bad fit for a number of reasons.

Our new team fits together ten times better, and – maybe with the exception of Deng – players are earning salaries requisite with their talent level, potential, age, and position. True, we’re still a bit weak in terms of guards, but I’d take this team any day over the teams the Bulls have fielded during the past three seasons.

by Diz on Jul 16, 2010 4:15 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

yeah, everyone sucked

Gordon got a real good offer from the Pistons too. SO YOU’RE STUPID

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow! Venomous!!

Didn’t realize I said anything all that controversial?!

Do you really think we were better off two seasons ago with BG, Hinrich, Tyrus, and Salmons than we are now???

And for the record, BG’s making slightly more now than he would have had he accepted the Bulls’ offer(s), but playing for a far worse team where he had his worst year since entering the NBA. My guess is if he could do it over again, he’d choose differently…

by Diz on Jul 16, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Pistons made out real well

… burning their cap space on Ben Gordon. Where did they finish again?

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Jul 16, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you're saying that the free agency chase was all a ruse to drum up season ticket interest

even I’m not that cynical.

I think it’s more likely they did think they had a chance in free agency (and just failed at capitalizing), but figured even if they failed they at least got rid of a lot of long-term money. It was a win-win.

But yeah, we’re sort of back where we started, it could’ve wound up a lot worse and we only wasted a season or so of Rose’s rookie deal. I’m looking forward this year more than the last one, anyway.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 4:24 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

ABSOLUTELY!!

I’ve been a Chicago fan for too many years.

They’ll trot out anything and the fans will keep buying tickets.

The history is there!

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST

by hhirb on Jul 16, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

The problem with your whole conspiracy theory

The team as presently constructed is better than your bloated mess. There is no point in spending money unwisely. Then you are left with the Chicago Cubs, New York Mets or New York Knicks.

by JSB on Jul 16, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

This team is way better

We are a really a SG away from being a great team. Probably is: 1 we have the money but the market has no such SG (I wish we kept BG instead of Kirk but maybe he would have ended up traded as Kirk). 2 Miami got way better than anyone predicted so we don’t look so good now.

by JustAnotherFan on Jul 16, 2010 4:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes, we were a power forward away for about eight years

If you don’t have STARTERS you can’t compete.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST

by hhirb on Jul 16, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let me get this straight?

You think keeping together a team with Hinrich ($9M), Gordon ($11m), Salmons ($8m)/Tyrus Thomas ($8m) would have been a good idea? That looks to me like a whole of expensive ill-fitting parts and still no low-post scorer, and no cap space to get one either. As much as people bash Reinsdorf for his “intelligent expenditure” comment, I don’t see how paying the luxury tax for that bunch would have been a good idea.

I vastly prefer the team we have now with parts that fit and a true low-post scorer.

by JSB on Jul 16, 2010 4:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Salmons with his 5 mil player option

would be perfect right now, but other than that those players weren’t getting unless anywhere relevant.

don't let the bed bugs bite

by Rex Grossman on Jul 16, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

He probably wouldn't have exercised it

What with so many teams under the cap and the lockout looming. Just ask RJeff about that.

by JSB on Jul 16, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

can't be sure

if he didn’t go to milaukee, I doubt anyone gives him 7-8mil a year playing the season out with the Bulls. Even the Bulls might have been able to resign him for brewer/Korver money.

He would be nice second team wing tandem with Korver

don't let the bed bugs bite

by Rex Grossman on Jul 16, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

They arent "ill-fitting parts"

Hinrich, Gordon, and Thomas are exactly what the bulls currently need. They need shooting and scoring (Gordon), they need defense and a back up guard (hinrich) and defensive and athleticism (Thomas). Boozer is great need as he provides low post scoring, but he is a 28yr old pf, who is injury prone by the way most pf numbers decrease after 28/29yrs. of age. The biggest problem is that the bulls signed Deng to a terrible contract. That was a bad decision from the start, paying a mid-range shooter, who is not very athletic and cannot create a 70+ million contract. The bulls would have also been much better keeping sefolosha for 3million a yr. and keeping JR Smith (in the chandler trade) for around 5million.
While the current bulls team is solid, they arent going to be a championship contender with an aging and expensive pf, and a team that still cannot shoot (besides korver).

by delwonka on Jul 25, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

It would have been a good idea with a starting power forward.

Let’s see how long Boozer and Deng hold up.

And that cap space can really help in overtime…

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST

by hhirb on Jul 16, 2010 5:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Huh?

You know in your scenario there is no hope of landing a starting power forward. We would be way over the cap after keeping Hinrich, Gordon, Salmons and Thomas.

by JSB on Jul 16, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe we could have gotten something for any one of them

It’s all about profits.

One lucky ping pong ball away from a total waste of 12 years.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST

by hhirb on Jul 16, 2010 5:03 PM CDT reply actions  

agreed

landing derrick rose saved the bulls. saved paxson. in the past five yrs. paxson has signed unathletic overachievers to large contracts: hinrich and deng, and let scorers and athletes walk without getting anything in return: sefolosha, jr smith, gordon, thomas. Without rose the bulls would have been a 30 win team the last two yrs. and would have remained a team getting the 8-12th pick in the nba draft.

by delwonka on Jul 25, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

The players of 2 years ago would have never competed for a title

We gave them up for a legit chance at the best free agent class ever. Unfortunately we got 2nd place in that race.

The concession is 3ish players who can contribute to a Chip team: Rose, Boozer, Noah.

If JJ(ohnson) had signed as 2 guard, we’d be right there. If Deng was a couple notches better, we’d also be right there. If there was 1 other top-notch FA SG available, we’d again be right there. But no such luck.

So we didn’t quite hit a home run. We’re still in position for something to happen over the next couple years for something good to happen (trade, draft pick, somebody gets way better, chaos from lockout) that could put us over the top.

All in all, I’ll enjoy watching the Bulls a lot more than in recent years. Sure the Celtics series was fun, but the expectations and long-term potential of that team was pretty low. We can actually throw around scenarios to get to a championship without completely insane rationalizations.

by Bill Cartwright's Elbow on Jul 16, 2010 5:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Of course the Bulls are better

On the surface I can see where you are coming form, I too was hoping for James or Wade but the truth is the Bulls had the second best off season of any NBA team. But lets address your comments. First, Ben Gordon was not worth the money, he clearly was going to the highest bidder and a 6 foot tall SG that plays ZERO D with bad handles and worse passing skills isn’t someone you can win a title with. Second, Tyrus Thomas was the same 6 pt. 6 rebound guy for the Bobcats as he was for the Bulls and he got paid 35 million, no way his upside is very limited considering his lack of basketball IQ. Third, John Salmonds was and IS a SF not a SG ! His numbers went up for the Bucks because slow SF where guarding him. I also thought he was a bad fit with Rose because he needed the ball in his hands to much and wasn’t a stand still shooter. Forth, Kirk Hinrick. I was never a fan, he is a bad shooter that just isn’t athletic, can’t jump and stops the ball too much. I know what people will say Kirk is a good defender and but really thats it. Decent ball handling shills and at that salary we where lucky to dump him.

I too was disappointed we didn’t land Wade or James but a bigger disappointment would have been not going for them. This off season some of the best teams and players put all their chips in the someone was going to walk away with the big prize, thats wasn’t the Bulls but at least they where in the game. After Bosh and Wade signed with Miami the Bulls grabbed the next best guy Boozer and after James signed they did the best they cold. This new Bulls team should win the central and have home court advantage in the first round, I like our chances.

by Winston23 on Jul 16, 2010 7:40 PM CDT reply actions  

What

You stated: ""(Salmons) numbers went up for the Bucks because slow SF where guarding him." Are you referring to Deng?

by delwonka on Jul 25, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Playing Monday Morning QB works better

When the present team is not as good as the team 2 years ago.
in the Skiles/Hinrich era, the team maxed out at 47 wins. Now anything less than a 50+ win season would be a disappointment.

The team 2 years ago had 0 all-stars. This year we enter with 2 with the potential for a 3rd with Noah. I definitely think the Bulls are better off even if it took time for them to get here.

by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 16, 2010 10:20 PM CDT reply actions  

This year, if Rose, Brewer, Boozer, Noah and Deng stay healthy for 75 games each

Bulls will play some sick basketball. I pity the teams that will plays healthy Bulls.
I say healthy, no major injuries to the starting 5 + Korver, Taj, Asik we could be getting awfully close to 60 wins.
Last season, healthy Bulls (despite VDN) started playing good away games and competed out West.

by adocarbog on Jul 16, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

What do the oddsmakers thing about this team?

Heat: 7:4 to win the championship
Lakers: 11:4
Magic: 11:1
Celtics: 12:1
Bulls: 15:1
Mavericks: 18:1
Nuggets: 18:1
Thunder 18:1
Hawks: 28:1
Jazz: 30:1
Suns: 35:1

Have the Bulls ever had the 5th best odds to win the championship since Jordan retired? I am pretty confident that answer is no. That team you wanted would have a higher salary, less flexibility and be a worse team.

by JSB on Jul 16, 2010 10:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Only if Oden can stay healthy...

Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.

by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 17, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Marcus Camby

Roy’s the one that needs to stay healthy. If he’d been healthy all of last year, I’m convinced they’d have been the 2 seed.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Jul 17, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

The best FA signing of the post-MJ era

Might turn out to be Coach Thib. It’s obvious the player’s respect him and are anxious to play for him. He will probably be worth 10 wins compared to VDN. This team will win 50+ games.

by Duck99 on Jul 17, 2010 11:38 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

i'm really anxious to see how he does

it’s obv the guy is really smart. can’t wait to see it in action.

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by Jaina on Jul 17, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah

Defintely Ronald Dupree.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Jul 17, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our team is much better now. We can win 47-52 games with this team. I love Ben but he’s not here so let it go. Salmons was terrible during the 1st half but turned it around later. Hinrich should have been off the team years ago. Tyrus stayed at the same 10pt/6 reb level and I doubt that will improve that much..

We now have a shooter and a low post scorer and a strong perimeter defender. Also our bench is bolstered with Taj now on the bench.

by C Smoove on Jul 17, 2010 2:25 PM CDT reply actions  

You mean legitimate ECF #2 contender.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jul 17, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Miami, Orlando, Boston are ahead of us. Maybe more.

Going nowhere. Again.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST

by hhirb on Jul 18, 2010 5:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

The top 3 seeds in the East are up for grabs.

You’re underestimating this Bulls team.

eat. sleep. hoop. repeat. become legendary.

by Sir Buckets on Jul 18, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think that's a correct estimate

they’re on the level of the Hawks, on the edge of home court. Hey, I thought just being ‘better’ was enough, lets not push it.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 18, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

And that's how it works!

Chicago fans will setlle for ANYTHING!!

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST

by hhirb on Jul 19, 2010 5:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

How's the cool aid?

Now we’re looking for a backup center over at Fenwick. Works cheap. Perfect!

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST

by hhirb on Jul 18, 2010 5:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're embarrassing yourself

Brad Miller at 3/$15 million isn’t a good idea either.

by JSB on Jul 18, 2010 9:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Tyrus Thomas and Ben Gordon will show everyone this year!!!

You’ll see!!!!!!

(not Hinrich, though)

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jul 17, 2010 4:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe Ben Gordon

the other 2, i don’t see it

by Jermal on Jul 17, 2010 9:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Ty Thomas would be great on this team

If he would not take a shot further than 6 feet from the basket and be a defensive/rebounding demon for 20 minutes a game. If he’s smart (doubtful) he’ll do that or be out of the league in 2 years.

by Duck99 on Jul 17, 2010 9:59 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

But not at $8 million/year

Way too much cap space on a bench player.

by JSB on Jul 17, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it was obvious that some team was going to pay Ty too much money in this market.

I don’t really have a problem letting him go. Or Kirk. You can argue that had J-Fish not gone to Milwaukee, he would’ve opted in at $6M, which would be nice right now. But the fact is, he got $40 million, something no one here would’ve liked if it came from the Bulls. And it’s possible he could’ve stayed here and play just as well to close out last season, leading to the bloated deal he got this offseason.

If they made no moves and played it safe leading up the most momentus free agency period ever, this city would’ve burned the Org. to the ground, everyone knows that. They tried, and while they weren’t able to executve plan A or B, they got better.

by pooriejay on Jul 18, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

No kidding

If they had not had enough cap space to go after LeBron, because they hung onto a guy like Salmons or Tyrus, people would have been rightfully pissed. Last year was the perfect year to dump salary and go for LBJ or some other big free agent. Rose and Noah were still developing and it was unlikely they would be able to make a serious run anyways.

by JSB on Jul 18, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

What the hell is wrong with you? You’re upset we got boozer because he can get injured?? What all-star level PF was out there that we could have gotten outside of boozer and bosh?? (We got one of them). You claim all we needed with that team two years ago was a starting power forward but if we still had all that garbage on our team we would have already been at the cap and couldn’t sign anyone. Secondly, if somehow miraculously you can have rose, gordon, salmons, deng, hinrich, tyrus,taj,boozer,noah, all under the cap, how is that team better than where we are right now.

Let me explain something to you. The following players will never get meaningful minutes on a championship team, not because they can’t SCORE, but because their style of play is not conducive to WINNING in the playoffs : Ben Gordon, Tyrus Thomas.

Don’t bash the FO because it’s normally the cool thing to do cuz for once they did everything right with Plan A, B, and C.

by ximan86x on Jul 20, 2010 12:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Uh, Gordon scored 40+ in the playoffs...

How’s the cool aid?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST

by hhirb on Jul 24, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

bulls

This post is funny given that he was true in that the bulls just needed a scoring power forward, as they had defense, depth, a backup point guard, athleticism and shooting. However, now the bulls have inside scoring but lost their backup point guard/defender in hinrich (who was overpaid) and shooter in Ben Gordon (who is now overpaid) and athleticism/rebounder/defender in Thomas (who is also now overpaid). Yet a lineup of rose, and gordon, deng, thomas, and noah, i feel is just as capable if not more capable of competing with the Heat in the east. While boozer is a great scorer, he is also much older, injury prone and costs the bulls 80million. He is also a defensive liability. I like brewer on defense but he cannot shoot, which is what the bulls need. I have no complaints about korver as a backup sf. But think hinrich is great against wade, gordon spreads the floor for rose more so than any player currently on the bulls, and thomas has played great defense on both bosh and james. Given that these three players are all relatively young the bulls would have the possibility of competing for yrs. to come. Also the bulls had the potential to trade thomas for boozer at the beginning of last yr. which would have been a great trade. they also were in talks with ray allen for hinrich, which also would have been better than the current situation.

by delwonka on Jul 25, 2010 11:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Delwonka: Thank you for seeing this!

I actually played the previous team in the Real GM Kobe 24 league last year and just added Paul Milshap who wasn’t even a starter but more of a competent pro than Thomas at PF.

We only made it to the Eastern Conference Finals!

always a great contribution.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST

by hhirb on Jul 25, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

and that's just like real life!

except for the whole “not at all” thing.

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by dantheman3k on Jul 25, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

You would be surprised how close to the real thing it is!

Point is, you need a complete team with good players and backups.

Try it.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST

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