Orlando matches on Redick, what's left in cap space and players
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 8:08 AM CDT
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PrintYesterday's report that the Magic matched has been confirmed (always interesting when local guys credit somewhere else like the Orlando Sentinel, yet not link them). The Magic do not have to announce a match until Saturday night, so maybe they hold out for another day just to be competitive jerks.
Eventually, this gets the Bulls cap space back, though not to a level we thought: KC Johnson's report yesterday of a lower estimate of cap space is looking correct: ChicagoNow has the Bulls with 11.8m in space, reasoning that Boozer and Korver signed 'flat' deals instead of maximum escalating (i.e. lowest possible first-year salary) ones. Larry Coon independently (seemingly) came up with that $11.8m number as well, so lets roll with it.
(this lower cap figure also throws a few of my 'outside the box' trade ideas out the window. Not back-loading the deals, though no doubt part of the negotiating process, also signals the Bulls 'nah...we're good' attitude towards free agency after Boozer)
The clear option of someone who at least has been a starting SG on a good team before is Ronnie Brewer. Beyond that, KC speculates Keith Bogans as another option, with Rudy Fernandez being a 'longshot' option via trade.
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Memphis has 3 quality SG's
and a bad GM. It would be a shame if Gar didn’t take a shot at one of them.
by NerdVernacular on Jul 16, 2010 8:14 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Have to think they'll give every opportunity they can to Mayo
To fail at PG before they move him or any of the SG’s
by Grinder in Training on Jul 16, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I suppose so..
I wonder why he wasn’t playing for them last night.
by NerdVernacular on Jul 16, 2010 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions
He was earlier in the week.
Maybe he needed a “break” to go out.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Especially when he's on a rookie contract
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Yeah especially after seeing him deal with Henry
It looks like money is tight, which happens when you give Rudy Gay a max contract.
I guess if they really liked Taj, maybe they do something straight up, but I don’t really see it. In any case, I’d bet if Mayo does get traded, it’d be a deadline move, after they give up on it not working out. The problem I see (from the Bulls end) is that most of Memphis’ big or bad deals end this year like Randolph, or go team options (Thabeet, Conley, Mayo), so they don’t really have to worry about luxury tax going forward or make a desperate move.
Something I’m sure has been mentioned, but I missed, a lot of talk about how they can move Mayo because they have Henry, Allen, etc.. but I think that’s the same reason Heisley can play hard ball with Henry.
He has no incentive to get Henry on the court right now, because once he does, Mayo or Conley’s value goes down. I don’t think it’s a smart thing to piss off your rookie, but the idea they will move Henry because of it, is probably far fetched at this point. They probably just know they don’t have to rush anything because while both Conley and Mayo are here, he won’t see that many minutes anyways, and if he did, it would lower what trade value they might have. (Side note, looking at BR, Mayo’s consistency is just ridiculous, the only significant difference I see between his first and second year, is his one less ppg and .7 less turnovers).
by Grinder in Training on Jul 16, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Re: Henry, I think it's a matter of appealing to Heisley's inner cheapskate
I would guess they wouldn’t try to trade Mayo this year, since he’s still on a cheap rookie deal. No reason to think about moving him until next year eat the earliest. But really, you can keep him at the QO for a year beyond that.
When they’ll try to trade him is when they have to pay him big bucks to stay. Until then, they’ll have to pay Henry to sit around doing nothing.
Wouldn’t it be better to to turn Henry into, say, a 2011 or 2012 pick, and therefore not have to pay Mayo’s replacement until they need to?
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by Sports2 on Jul 16, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Definitely possible
Just not sure our draft pick is very attractive, so that probably doesn’t do much for the Bulls either.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 16, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Well the Bobcats is protected for a few years
And ours shouldn’t be good for a while, so still not sure that’d be the best offer they can get.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 16, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, as far as I know, they haven't gotten any offers. So that's the best :P
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Griz do not have a first next year
it’s coincidentally owed to the Jazz for the Ronnie Brewer deal. So maybe they’d want to rectify that.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
NBA 2k10
predicts a starting lineup including reddick an Overall Rating of 83.
however.
it also predicts a starting lineup including brewer instead. which comes out to an overall of 91.
nuff’ said. go get the guy.
haha jk on the ratings meaning anything.
sorta.
by dpark39 on Jul 16, 2010 8:14 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
what team did Lebron sign in imaginary Sega world?
point being, who the hell cares its a freakin videogame.
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by dantheman3k on Jul 16, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol, while I agree with you
dude sega sold the 2k franchise to take two, YEARS ago,
Nuff said, indeed.
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by chapuforyou on Jul 16, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
It's got to be Brewer or Fernandez.
I wonder how quickly the org will act today. If Fernandez can be had for relatively cheap, like JJ and a second round pick, he seems like the right choice. I’d love to see what he could do in extended minutes.
But how much longer can they wait before Brewer takes another offer? Are there any other offers for him out there?
Bogans would be good for the bench, that’s it.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 16, 2010 8:16 AM CDT reply actions
good, above-average
not great.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I can't really offer expert opinion, but based on what I've seen from him ...
… he seems quick and active on the defensive end, and he has a pretty good Per 36 steals number (1.4 career), but he’s very, very thin and can be muscled.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 16, 2010 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions
He's very active.
I don’t think he’d be the type who would have a great improvement under Thibodeau. He’s already getting a lot out of his ability. However, if he lacked in fundamentals (which I’m not good enough to recognize), there might be some improvement.
I think he’s pretty alright, though.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Good enough to let him plan 30+ min a night.
This guy needs to play more. I think he can avg. close to 15-20 ppg with the right scheme and playing time.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 16, 2010 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, if they can get him, he's by far (in my opinion), the best choice.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 16, 2010 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rudy is horrible on defense (Blazer fan here).
He gets lost all the time. Yeah he gets steals but nothing else. As far as offense goes, he used to be one of my favorite players his rookie season. He is flashy and fun to watch, and when he is hitting his three’s, watch out. Then last year happened. He got injured and then became incredibly inconsistant and hessitant. He was pretty much absent the entire season. And then he started complaining to the Spanish media about his lack of playing time (even though he is a second string SG behind Brandon Roy, and averaged more minutes per game than some of our starters). Now all we are hearing about is what Euro teams Rudy will be going back to…I don’t imagine him staying put in the NBA.
hmmm
good points. Im hoping the injury he got was a wake up call this year for him. Almost every player has to deal with it but either they get hesitant ( like Vince) or get back up like wade
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not only is he below average defensively (especially considering that his size should work for him), but there’s real danger he is merely a one year player. wisdom calls for treating him like a longer lived vet with a next year early termination option. and i wonder if he’d have any interest in committing to an extension at the moment, maybe the starter role and redick $$$ would do it?
still my number one choice, however.
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furthermore
this sort of thing is in part why i would leave some cap space until the trade deadline and the rose and noah extensions. sign brewer now, leave as much flexibility for what may arise during the course of the season.
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He's not below average.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
No offense, but I've come across plenty of people on here who say Deng is horrible.
They’re wrong, so, while being a Blazers fan gives you an up against a random non-Blazers fan, it doesn’t make you an authority over everything else I’ve seen.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 16, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not saying I am.
But I am saying don’t put expectations on the guy. If you want a guy that can shoot the 3 (although not as consistant as his European years and rookie season) and play minimal defense than Rudy is your guy! Also, if you manage to get him, don’t be suprised if he gets his contract bought out by a European team.
Rudy will cost way more than that for what KC's been saying
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 16, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
what has KC been saying?
i hear this “longshot” stuff, and can’t help but think we’ll see Rudy traded to another team for a 2nd round pick within a week.
Ronnie,Rudy & Brad
Like Henry alot,but even tho Memphis is lowballing him, you think they would move him for JJ and a 1st?
Sign Ronnie
Trade JJ & a 1st for Rudy
Sign Brad
what $$ would be left? then a backup PG as long as Pargo is out of here (Milwaukee perferrable) (Law??)
PG: D. Rose – Law
SG: Rudy – Brewer
SF: Deng – Korver
PF: Boozer – Taj
C: Noah – Miller – Asik
I think he is just talking about the Houston offer
I don’t think Brad has decided yet though
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 16, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
My theory is
that Brad is waiting to see how much money he can get from one of his preferred teams (Rockets, Bulls). If by the end of FA the Bulls can offer him more, he’ll sign with the Bulls. Maybe the Rockets are just offering him the vet minimum (1.3mil).
Checked ShamSports salary page link
The Rockets are over, so can only offer Brad the vet minimum.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 16, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Who wants JJ?
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Better than Law?
What do you want in a backup PG other than a guy who can run the offense, play solid defense, not make mistakes and not be a chucker?
Preferably a guy that make an outside shot, play a little SG...
Oh, and someone who isn’t absolutely awful.
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How is Law awful?
And besides, he’s not a lights out 3pt shooter, but he’s decent (at least not awful). He shot 33% last year, and has improved his shooting every year he’s been in the league.
He made 5 threes last year.
He’s unproven — I guess I’m a little skeptical about Acie Law being our starting point guard if Derrick Rose gets hurt. I’d feel more comfortable if we signed a guy with a little experience.
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yeah, if Rose is hurt, we're obviously in trouble
but it’d be nice if he was sprained his ankle and out a week we didn’t lose each game by 20.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
That's reasonable
But at this point, who else is out there that’s better? At least Law can play the position well, even if he’s not going to become starter-caliber.
The answer to every basketball conundrum is Jannero Pargo.
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by chapuforyou on Jul 16, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
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by kozzer on Jul 16, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Acie Law is our back-up PG, you'll feel the same way about him a year from now.
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Doubtful
The reason I hate Pargo so much as a player is that he’s a friggin Chucker. Like, George Costanza. If Plato described the manifestation of “chucker” when laying out his theory of the Forms, he would have referred to Jarnnero Pargo by name.
Law doesn’t shoot that much, and runs the offense well. And is a better defender than Pargo.
Small sample size, though.
And Jannero Pargo was brought in to be a chucker. He just sucked at it.
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by chapuforyou on Jul 16, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Small sample size with the Bulls
He’s been in the league for about 3 years now. A disappointment for the 11th pick, but he’s a decent bench player.
And we brought Korver in to be our chucker this year, we don’t need another one.
I see nothing particularly wrong with Brewer as the starting SG
He has success in Utah before being let go/traded (I forget which) and though he is not some outstanding perimeter shooter, in a starting line-up I think that continuity is probably a bit more important. What we do know is that he is a big-bodied 2 with solid defense and that can finish at the basket.
As far as adding shooting, I have no objections to adding someone like Steve Novak who shoots 40% from 3 and can spell Rose for a bit. Rose does not need a lot of rest; just enough to avoid being worn out. I guess what remains is adding a Brad Miller and I suppose a Keith Bogans to back up Brewer, but I am not big on him.
Of course, pursuing a trade right now seems paramount in my opinion. Let’s see Garpaxdorf really go to work here. It probably took little effort to convince Boozer and Korver to come to Chicago.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 16, 2010 8:19 AM CDT reply actions
In a manner of speaking :)
I guess it is in the same way that Pax and Kerr did. :-P
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 16, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Bah, nevermind me
I was confusing him with Steve Blake. :-P
Far be it from me to be posting stuff at 6:19am.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 16, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Beat teams with shooting
The biggest advantages teams in the East will have on Miami is shooting and rebounding. The Bulls will be the best rebounding team in the NBA with Noah, Boozer and Deng. I’m hoping that Asik is good as advertised as well (about 6.2 rebounds/game) we will clean up the boards. Unfortunately, the Bulls will need shooters for quick buckets off the offensive boards. A dynamic guard and forward will be guarded by Wade and Lebron. There isn’t going to be a need for a guy who can create as much as there will be for a guy who can hit an open shot consistently. Brewer doesn’t fit that model so I’m not really high on him starting. I also believe that Derrick rose will have a consistent 3 this season so he may fit the model better with his improvements.
That's all reasonable.
I’d still like to have a second good defensive wing.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Brewer is okay
But I hope we trade for Rudy (or someone even better).
Brewer can’t shoot, and a 3-point shooter in our starting lineup would be huge for this team.
God, not that Portland would want him...
….but I could so see the Bulls not giving up Gibson to get Rudy. A back-up PF is waaaay more important than a SG, dochaknow?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
This not back-loading thing bothers me more than Orlando matching
This signals to me that they’re already looking for ways around paying the luxury tax in the future. Barring something drastic, we aren’t going to be under the cap again for a long time, so if we were really serious about winning, every deal we made this summer would be backloaded, we’d maximize our cap space and get as many assets as possible this summer while we can
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by Calogero on Jul 16, 2010 8:24 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
right, it's not a choice completely dependent on the team
the player would want more up-front money. But I wonder if the Bulls preferred not back-loading for that very reason
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
maybe the Bulls were just being prudent, because they'll need to re-sign Noah and Rose
in a few years?
by KentuckyBullsFan on Jul 16, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
they can re-sign Noah and Rose no matter how much money they have committed
screw prudence, give me talent and an owner like Orlando’s who is willing to spend whatever for a winner
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well, exactly
but ‘prudent’ in this case is proactively cheap. They can sign Noah and Rose with bird rights.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
well…this is just crap then.This sucks. The Bulls better get Brewer to finalize the Chicago Jazz.
Maybe having 3 players from Duke on the team would have been bad Karma anyway?
by KentuckyBullsFan on Jul 16, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Novak?
How will a 6’10 unatheletic forward spell Rose? Who will run point?
Sign a back up point, i dont care if it is John Lucas, Bouldin, or a veteran, that spot simply needs to be filled.
Sign Bogans – who could act as a back up PG in certain situations – say a tight game if Lucas/Bouldin is not ready for the situation quite yet (but of course they could be only time will tell)
Sign BREWER! He is a good player! All this talk about his lack of shooting – we just picked up the #1 shooter in the league! Teams dont live and die by the 3 point line, i think having an atheletic 2 who can run with Rose and drive the lane and finish is more valuable!
Rose – Brewer – Deng – Boozer – Noah
Bouldin – Bogans – Korver – Asik – Miller
That is a deep team
I'd hope it's someone other than Boudin
And you forgot Johnson and Taj who would both be ahead of him off the bench.
It’d be: Rose-Brewer-Deng-Boozer-Noah with Korver and Taj the first guys off the bench, then Johnson, Asik / B. Miller and Bogans.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 16, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Why aren't we hearing anything about Acie Law?
(not talking about this blog, because we have been bringing him up)
But I’m not hearing anything about the guy, not regarding the Bulls’ interest, nor any other team. Did the guy rape a puppy or something? He was really good for a backup when Vinny actually let him get some burn last year, and I think he’d fit nicely as Thibs’ backup to Rose.
yea i agree i'd love to have him back as rose's backup
i like that the bulls seem to be more intent on getting wings first; backup PG should really be the last priority here, and a cheap, decent player like Law is fine with me.
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If they sign Brewer
they need another guard that can shoot 3s, and Acie Law cannot shoot 3s. Of the 3 guards they still need to sign, at least one of them has to be a good (>35%) 3pt shooter.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 16, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Keyon Dooling.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 16, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, he's got the 3pt shooting
But… that is it. 40% FG. 51% TS. 11.6 PER. 113 DTRG…. yikes.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 16, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
He's not so bad defensively, just been on lots of bad defensive teams.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 18, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Of the guys available, outside of Childress
Wasn’t Brewer a lot of people’s first choice of the available guys? (I’m not including the guys like Allen who were going back)
Especially after we signed Korver, it seemed liked Redick lost some value to us, and if Rose and Deng are shooting 3’s, makes Brewer seem like the more sensible choice anyways. Unless the front office makes a trade, I’d have to call it a complete failure if we don’t sign him, the other guys just seem like a large drop off. GarPax needs to get this done.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 16, 2010 8:25 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Brewer is the right pick, should have been sought after over Redick
Redick came on late in the season but before that – throughout his entire nba career has been a joke
Brewer IS A STARTER. Sign him today!
by livin21 on Jul 16, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Brewer as a starter makes a sorry line-up
If Brewer starts then you have one starter that can shoot from distance and is the ball handler in Derrick Rose. I mean the guys is going to be good but it’s better to have fire power in a half court offense than to have great defenders. Thibs defensive schemes work for the weak defenders and prefers guys that can clean up on the glass, i.e. Sam Perkins and Big Baby. My guess is that the Bulls, like the Celtics will not go man to man on defense. You won’t need a great defender to go against the talented SG’s out there.
wtf
so the Bulls are still the apple of your eye, got it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Same feeling I got reading this.
So, if for some reason,t hey can’t Brewer: hey guys, they’ll develop Byars and Almond and maybe they’ll find the next Wes Matthews and besides, it gives them greater flexibility in 4 years.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Bulls will sign Brewer
Bulls first sign Boozer, Boozer then recruits Korver and later he signs with the bulls, Korver recruits and already have text Brewer to join the bulls……………….see the pattern…………the bulls still will need another sg on the team
by Jermal on Jul 16, 2010 8:36 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Brewer is texting Ostertag
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
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by J Theory on Jul 16, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Greg Ostertag is always needed.
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by chapuforyou on Jul 16, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let the hate begin:
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Bulls cap space: $11.8m Ben Gordon: $10.8m . Fuck it, why not? :-) It’d be most fun for the blog, which is the most important factor.
I’m in, just doubt the Bulls would even consider since BG will hit the 13-14M by the end of his contract
I like Ben Gordon but
Hell No!!!!…………………..not worth it for that price, specially for a streaky shooter with below average defense
by Jermal on Jul 16, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Ya
Gordon is worth about half of what he’s making now. I’d want picks from the Pistons to take on that deal.
He's worth more than half
Look at every year besides last year (in which he was injured). He is usually around a 57%TS and over 40% from behind the arc. Every year in Chicago he had to (or was made to) carry the scoring load. If he came back to the Bulls with Rose being a much better scorer and overall player, he would be a great fit offensively.
He may not be worth his 13 mil by the end of the contract, but great shooters and scorers like BG are not a dime a dozen.
Personally I'd rather have Stephen Jackson
Who makes roughly $7-8M and is worth it. That’s roughly what I think Ben is worth … $7-8M a year.
I don’t think there’s any chance the Bulls (or any other team) take on Gordon’s contract, but I do agree that he’d be a good fit for us right now, especially if we had Brewer as a defensive backup to him.
He's not the 3 point shooter BG is
But he’s much better at shooting outside of strip clubs! And taking his gun trick or treating
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by Sports2 on Jul 16, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
plus he's 5 years older than Gordon
RM is clearly one of those…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
Just saying, he’s worth more than half and would fit well.
Meh, SJ isn’t worth it to me. I’d like to have a SG who shoots over 55%TS or at least shoots 3’s at a decent clip. SJ is pretty inefficient and does not shot 3’s particularly well.
Although, is he a good defender? I haven’t seen him play much.
stephen jackson? a good defender? uh...... yes?
ask dirk.
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fun for me.
I’m sure if the reacquired Gordon you’d find a way to say this was the only move the Bulls could’ve made.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think Dumars won't admit a mistake THAT quickly
I straight salary dump seems unlikely.
I’m going to talk myself into Rip Hamilton eventually. I need to face the likelihood that my ideas of acquiring another core piece isn’t going to happen: Bulls wouldn’t take on another big salary now, and if they took on an expiring deal, they’d just let it expire.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dumars has lost his mind I think
Maybe Hammonds made all of their moves. I can’t believe they drafted Greg Monroe
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was it that bad?
I was no draftnick, but with Cousins off the board they were sort of screwed.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was pretty high on him, but he's looked turble in summer league.
But I think it’s more that he’s not a “Piston type”. But then, neither were Gordon or Villanueva.
They should have taken Aldrich.
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by tyger1147 on Jul 16, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aldrich, Davis and Patterson look like better bets to me
I’m going back to last year with the Rip extension and then failing to move him. Signing up Gordon and Villanueva would have been understandable if they’d moved Rip, but they didn’t.
I haven’t heard any mention whatsoever of them in free agency either.
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I'd be fine taking Rip's terible deal on if it meant multiple first round picks.
The deal is 12.5 million a year for the next three years but the final year is unguaranteed.
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by fundamentallysound on Jul 16, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ah, I didn't even remember that
even better. See…talking myself into it.
I’ll take one first-rounder.
Sadly, we don’t have the cap space right now to take in $12.5m. Force them to take JJ, sure, but I agree we need picks.
Also, it will allow Ben Gordon to blossom, which is of paramount importance to me.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
actually, if you look at
Sham’s notes, that 3rd year is partially unguaranteed, for $9m
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Ah crap. That makes it less appealing, but I'd still probably do it. He might be better on a contender (even a fake
one like the Bulls) and he would probably be a lot better off with Derrick Rose running the point and Boozer feeding him open looks than he did with Rodney Stuckey and Charlie V.
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by fundamentallysound on Jul 16, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, it's not a dealbreaker, but I did not like reading it
I like the idea that he’d be re-invigorated here. All those old Pistons were jerkoff quitters.
he’s shooting more 3s as he’s aged…though going from 37% to 30% last season, ew.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
He was pretty dinged up last year, much like Gordon was. The Pistons were the anti-Suns when it
came to injuries last year.
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by fundamentallysound on Jul 16, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
His efficiency has never really been all that great, though.
52.7% TS for his career and his best year ever was 55.3%.
I’m waffling, but getting some future picks would be nice, since I don’t see the Bulls truly contending for another 3 or 4 years on account of the Miami cHeat.
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by fundamentallysound on Jul 16, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
The non-guarantee is sort of misleading. He's guaranteed $9M or the $12.something in the contract.
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Yeah, yfBB pointed that out. Makes it less palatable by a lot.
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by fundamentallysound on Jul 16, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
3 years, $50M for a 32 year old SG who doesn't really shoot 3's and plays average D?
I dunno, seems a bit steep. I’m inclined to let Detroit ride that one out. Besides, we’d have to give up a player or 2 just to make the salaries work and our cap space would be completely gone.
Pass.
Ya
If we’re going to get an overpaid SG from the Pistons, might as well get Gordon. Both are available for free, given their crappy contracts.
chortle b/c they're both overpaid mauyahafhahaf1!$
I’d say Gordon is not available for free, and Rip is actually less than free and the Pistons could potentially pay us to take him.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I've been trying to fight the BG fight for a while now
But people are pretty dug in. You would think he avg 7ppg game or something. Oh I’m sorry those are JJ Reddick’s numbers. Guess he’s worth the money though.
7ppg
Well he averaged 12ppg. That’s pretty bad for someone making $11M a year.
Really? I thought it was 7PPG
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jj_redick/career_stats.html. But you’re right either way it’s ridiculous.
Wesley Matthews is making 35 mil and I have to hear about BG being over paid? So what. We need a SG who can hit 3s
Why is everyone worried about money
that needs to be spent regardless? Unless you think we’re getting Carmelo or something, what difference does it make? There aren’t even enough FAs around worth spreading the money around to right now. Keith Bogans? Nate Robinson? I mean come on.
by Dils on Jul 16, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
after seeing how this sub-thread evolved
this really should’ve stayed on Twitter. BG’s not coming back, why argue about his value yet again.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Because we're so desperate that we're talking about
giving money to guys like Keith Bogans and Rip Hamilton. And we’re depressed because we’re not getting JJ Reddick and Anthony Morrow. It’s not to debate but if the Bulls aren’t going to get someone that money then getting a guy that we know plays well with Rose and fills a need isn’t really the craziest idea in the world. Even though it won’t happen.
I wish the Bulls could the levels those two franchises have been at recently
but there are fiscal responsibility championships to be won!
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
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by snley on Jul 16, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
fiscal responsibility actually has hindered those two
the bulls will reach their level if rose reaches the level of deron williams. wasting money has less than zero to do with it.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
The Mavericks haven't won less than 50 games since 99-00.
That’s amazing. There’s nothing irresponsible about that. had they cut payroll to create more flexibility, they would have been crappier for a couple of seasons.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
i didn't call them irresponsible.
i guess you got me if i implied they were stupid though. gotta believe there were others that thought it was stupid to let nash go at the time.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
OK, so we all agree that signing Steve Novak is a priority.
The guy can run the point, grab tons of rebounds and post up.
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by chapuforyou on Jul 16, 2010 8:59 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
bogans...
really? like seriously. if that’s who we end up with i might puke.
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i agree
thats the type of move you make when you have a roster like the lakers or celts or heat. no matter what the bulls front office thinks, we need more guys who can actually play, not little pieces here and there to fill out the roster
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
yeah, that's chapu's PG/SG backup
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by tyger1147 on Jul 16, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's the only guy I want. Line-up complete after we sign him.
Championship won.
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by Jermal on Jul 16, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was just gonna say basically the same thing
I watch a A LOT of basketball and Bogans is barely on my radar. I can’t even remember what he looks like. He’s not a starting two on a good team. They can’t be for real. They better be doing whatever they can to get Rudy in here.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 16, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Portland has too many sgs
and they wanted to get rid of the guy last year…………….bulls next year 1st round pick and JJ should work………….that’s the best offer they will receive from the bulls or anybody
cant trade our 1st rounder next year
cause we did this year. but i agree with the general premise— a future 1st and JJ should hopefully get it done
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
I don't think that applies here
We actually drafted Seraphin, then traded his rights and Hinrich to Washington. Becuse the trade didn’t actually happen until after the draft, I think we have actually “drafted” someone this year and thus could trade next year’s pick.
by torch on Jul 16, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
oh i think you're right
good call
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Nice rationalization. That could actually be true.
That’d be nice.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Does it matter that we swapped picks with Milwaukee first?
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Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I don't think so, they still owned a first rounder
it’s just on the conception of a trade, you can’t leave yourself consecutive years without a first rounder. Technically you could make a pick and trade it right afterwards every season.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
AKA the Save Robert Sarver Millions Plan
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
AKA the Ruin the Suns plan
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
A team can continually trade it's first round pick away
Like the Bulls did this…the rule only applies to future first round picks…in other words, we cannot trade the ’11 & ’12 pick, but in 2011 the team can trade our first round, then again in 2012 the team can trade the first round pick.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 16, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I do think he could be a good combo backup though
but yeah, the dropoff from Brewer to Bogans seems large, especially in perception. Plus, at least Brewer’s still young.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
how much better is Bogans than, say, Byars or Almond?
i know Almond is a different type of player, but probably more of a need off the bench with this roster. we need another guy that can score on this team. at this point, Nate Robinson would make me happy.
How can you NOT remember what that guy looks like?
ugh.
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by chapuforyou on Jul 16, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Where's the bucket
Because i’m feeling sick again
is that a Bull on his bicep?
ughhhhhhhh
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by tyrus4prez on Jul 16, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Taurus?
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Tyrus?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Eddie House says hello.
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by fundamentallysound on Jul 16, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Eddie House and Ronnie Brewer is a decent consolation prize.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 16, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
thats why it's going to take a little outside the box thinking
i.e., new BaB favorite Romain Sato, swing a trade for Rudy, etc.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
It's outside the box or
Cut a hole in the box / put your … in the box / make the FO open the box
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 16, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How about this...
Sign Brewer and bring in Derrick Byars from the summer league team, both are athletic and both can play defense from the SG spot.
I think the scoring from the backcourt will come from Rose...
Let them defend the best wing players and just be able to shoot an open jumper. If it is not falling then bring in Korver. Wade is going to need to be put on his ass.
that is the problem
if only comes from rose, defenses will crash him.
Then we put Korver and we have no D
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 16, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
People remember this
name Rashard McCants, he still has a lot of game left and could be had on the cheap, the man proved when he played he could shoot, score, and defend, he is on the Cavs summer league team, this is guy I’ve been screaming for the Bulls to look at, but I guess we can’t have a Tarheel on the roster w/ all the Duke deep throating from the org.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jul 16, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Well that's why we added Boozer and Korver
And Deng still gets nearly 20 a night himself. There are plenty of guys on the court who can score.
We would be putting Korver in at the three, so we’d still have Brewer and Noah out there defensively we shouldn’t be a disaster.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 16, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Did I say it was?
Are there any great options out there? It would seem to me, very good is good enough for now until such an option does exist.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 16, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
Hopefully, we can swing a deal near the deadline w/ a team chasing the dream of melo
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 16, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
"plenty"
they added one guy, although a very good guy, to the 4th worst offense in the league last year.
umm….
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Also added a seemingly competent coach. That should help a smidge.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 16, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree it will help.
But it’s not going to make them a Top-10 unit.
With that understanding, “plenty” doesn’t come into it.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Yeah, they still need more pieces. If they can get the offense to league average and get the defense to top 5ish
they will be in good shape. I’m a lot more confident about their ability to do the latter than the former. But they should dominate the glass, 3 point shooting should be a bit better with Korver in the fold, Deng shooting more of them (Thibs promised!) and Derrick saying his 3 point shot is there now. Add in a guy like Eddie House or Keyon Dooling for spott minutes at the guard spots and the 3 point shooting should be a lot better which was a huge part of their problem last year. Plus if they get Ronnie Brewer they’ve added one of the games premier guard finishers. He converts inside at around 65%. That’ll help, too.
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by fundamentallysound on Jul 16, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
"Deng still gets nearly 20 a night "..or 4 points on many other nights
"Maybe Paxson influenced has been a bit silenced :-)"
STREAKY!!!
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Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
these summer league guys should be counted on as 12th/13th man types
not rotation pieces. byars, almond, samuels— these guys have some ability, but i’d much rather count on them to just fill out the roster and step in when there’s an injury rather than rely on them night in and night out to contribute
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
I think Byars could develop into a good rotation player. I think he should get a shot and
if he busts then it did not cost a lot of money.
Aw man...
So absolutely no shot at Iggy?
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 16, 2010 9:05 AM CDT reply actions
No, see
the original idea was to pick up Iggy for SG I think. Now…we have no way to get him w/o getting Philly to take on Deng. So…no chance in hell i’m guessing
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 16, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Iggy is 10 times the player Deng is...
It’s not even close
by hitlesswonder on Jul 16, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow!
He scores 170 points and grabs 80 rebounds per game!
by torch on Jul 16, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
not. even. close. :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, I got busted by the hyperbole police!
On the interwebs no less, that bastion of well-thought-out logically argued, dead serious rhetoric.
Anyway, Iggy is a great defensive player that can guard the best 2s in the league. Deng is a decent defensive 3. To me that, along with health, is a big difference.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 16, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Deng is a great defensive 3 who can guard nearly every SF in the league.
Pwnd.
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Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I don't see Iggy as that great of a defender
He gets steals, but that’s not a consistent indicator of someone’s defensive skills.
I know this can be a function of team defense, but Deng’s DRtg last year was 106, and Iggy’s was 109.
Probably not
at least til after the season has started. I think that if it turns out Iggy & Evan Turner are incompatible (possible, since they’re somewhat similar) then perhaps you’ll see Iggy become a real possibility.
yeah, that's what I figure too
though who knows, convince Doug that Nocioni is who he’d want as the starting SF because he’s tough.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure we can afford him with this new cap
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 16, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
not straight-up, it's very close
I’m assuming we’d send Taj, or JJ, or both.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
How bout we just sign Brewer, and put Korver at SG
and have JJ as backup SF.
Save money for the trade deadline
because jj stinks.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
because Korver can shoot the 3
and that is basically it
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 16, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Unless you're the Bulls
Plus, teams often don’t like to send a message that you can steal their players.
I will never doubt the Chairman again.
Man, Sam Smith is kind of an idiot.
If anything, you say the Korver signing is a mistake if it means we need a purely defensive shooting guard in our starting lineup.
Rose can’t shoot 3s, he has an OK at best jumper. Deng can’t shoot 3s, he has an OK jumper. Boozer can’t shoot 3s, he has a solid jumper for a four. Noah can’t shoot 3s, nor can he shoot jumpers. With Rose making another logical year to year leap, that entire 4 will play good defense.
But we need a defensive shooting guard? Not a shooting guard that can… shoot?
I’m at a loss, but I’m really feeling that Morrow-Brewer (hell even Korver too since he can play some 3) was the right play this offseason.
Liking Rudy Fernandez now though.
by RyPac13 on Jul 16, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Before you say Rose can't shoot 3s check his Trib interview.
They don’t necessarily need a scoring SG. Bulls are going to be getting more points from the 4 and off bench next year already. So that will cover whatever offense Kirk brought. Now you have to fill the hole he leaves defensively. Brewer is the right guy to do it.
Look at a team like the Thunder… they know they’ll get scoring from Durant/Westbrook and some off the bench with Harden so they start Thabo just for D.
You make a lot of sense but...
You still need a SG that is not a black hole offensively. And plus, if we’re building a championship-level team, you need a bench that can really give you a lot of different things.
Brewer as a 20-25mpg starter that brings the “D” is fine with me. Then you have Gibson and Korver for an offensive/defensive combination. But you still need a good, capable SG off the bench, and one who preferably can fill in ball handling duties capably. It has, and always has been Rudy Fernandez. He a desperately missing link on our team.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Brewer has never been a black hole offensively...
He is a very good and efficient offensive player who shoots over 52% from the field from his career…he makes more shots than he misses…his TS% is over .570%.
You are confusing the lack of a 3 point shot with bad offense, and that is simply mistaken with Ronnie Brewer…he can score 10 efficient points a night within the flow of the offense without a single play being called for him
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 16, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well said
Might not be the stretch-the-floor 2 we’ve been looking for, but he’s still a good fit offensively (especially when he plays alongside Korver) and especially defensively. He’s the only SG out there right now you’d even consider playing 30 minutes, either starting or off the bench.
Didn't confuse it, although I didn't know he was quite that efficient
You definitely prove me wrong on the efficiency thing.
However, is perhaps one fo the reasons he was so efficient a result of Utah spreading the floor so much for him that essentially he often had a clear path to the basket? Okur and Kirilenko and Williams and CJ Miles could all shoot from deep. Boozer is a wash in this comparison obviously, but I think it is worth pondering if Brewer could be the same player here as he was in Utah.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with you
I like Brewer for depth and matchup purposes, but we really need to get a SG that is a good three-point threat.
Deng has been shootnig threes well for two years now.
Where have you been?
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 16, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
from the corner, 1.2 times a game.
He’s not yet the three point threat, he just does it sometimes and everybody is relieved. He hasn’t proven he can hit any 3 besides the corner 3.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 16, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Weird criticism
I have heard this a lot. Its so weird. All threes are worth three points. All threes spread the floor. I will take corner threes all day.
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 16, 2010 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
isn't this really like Plan D? Wade was plan A, Joe Johnson plan B, Redick plan C, and now we're onto D.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 16, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
sure, but we can still get an A+ for plan D
/Thonus
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
It's all relative to expectations.
You just need to change your expectations after every failure.
I mean, if I told you five years ago, that the Bulls would have Carlos Boozer and Derrick Rose, you would have been sooooo excited. Anything more would have just been great but unexpected.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Five years ago, I didn't know who Derrick Rose was :-P
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 16, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, that was satire.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I know. I was just joking around.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 16, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
FML
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
In that case Lebron was plan A.
Wade was plan B. Johnson was plan C. Redick was plan D.
But maybe we liked Manu and Ray Allen, so we could even be on plan F!!!
Teams always show interest in multiple players. Can’t always get what you want, right? Especially if it’s rigged (plans A and B).
You can’t blame the org for Lebron, Wade or Johnson and you can only fault them for having to tie up money for a week into JJ.
The less of a clear plan that we see, the better the offer to JJ actually looks in hindsight. I mean Orland is basically paying 14 mil in each of the next two years to keep him, they thought that much of the guy.
and Bosh.
I blame them, why not.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
ill disagree that you cant blame the org. for lebron, wade, etc.
going for them is a game we didnt have to play. they chose to go for the cap room this summer route over other forms of team-building, so they get the blame when we strike out on the big free agents
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Aw, c'mon
Hindsight is 20/20. Given what they had to offer, it would have been insane not to take a shot at those guys. The only reason for not playing would have been solid information that the game was rigged.
by thelivingant on Jul 16, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
ooh, they redesigned the blog
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Sam really throws a lot of names against the wall
But he brings back his old Monta Ellis idea, which doesn’t seem half-bad. They wouldn’t be the perfect pair (outside shooting, defense), but potentially spectacular on offense. And Ellis at the 2 means he’d also be the backup point, so you could save cap room by signing the 3rd PG at the minimum.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Ellis is baaaaad at basketball.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
If you take all the nonsense people spew about Gordon and make it true
Then you’ve basically got Monta Ellis.
Defensively, Gordon gives effort and actually has regular SG strength, hops, and wingspan (which largely make up for him being short).
Ellis has none of those things. But he uses possessions at a higher rate and shoots much worse, thus making him a substitute player to Rose rather than the complimentary player Gordon was.
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by Sports2 on Jul 16, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And...to add to your point...
The Bulls now have Carlos Boozer to use possessions…along with Rose and Deng, and guy like Ellis will not fit flow of our offense…
Guys like Redick and Brewer will, simply because they are more efficient in their scoring….
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 16, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to mention
Ellis will be just as costly to acquire as options that are actual fits with this team: Mayo, Henry etc.
Getting Henry
would still be a gamble. He hasn’t stepped onto an NBA court yet. Mayo though, that would be awesome… I’d rate Mayo as my favorite SG/Backup PG choice.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 16, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
How does Ellis fit on the Bulls though?
As a shooting guard he only shoots 30% from 3s.
He’s also paid 11 mil a year and he’s not going to be happy if he’s not starting.
That means we have to be very sure that he’s our starting shoot guard for the next few years. I don’t think that’s necessarily worth committing to when the guy is a more natural point guard (at least on this team).
he would be starting
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Would you have been happy with Rose/Redick?
by DRose01 on Jul 16, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Good point - but thats why I've wanted Brewer
All the scouting reports about Reddick that have been posted around here lately said he’s actually a decent team defender. They talked about how he defended Ray Allen well enough…. no one not even Sam has pretended to talk about Ellis’s D while he’s been in G State.
he scores 20+
That’s more fitting than any of the crap floating around
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 16, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
on 20+ shots per game
he’s HORRIBLE!!!
A 16.7 PER on 29.5 USG%?!?! Do you know what this means????
It means, as a fifth year guy, he was a rookie Ben Gordon or carmelo Anthony. He ain’t no good.
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Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
that's not horrible
he’s only 25, and 2 seasons ago was pretty much a waste due to the injury+suspension from the moped thing.
He wouldn’t be considered available in a salary dump if he was that great.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
The fact that he played almost 42 min/game and only got to the line an average 6 times is worrisome.
Especially since he handles the ball a TON and isn’t really a distance shooter. I think 4 years, $44M is too much to commit to a one-dimensional player, whose one dimension is essentially the same as Rose’s. Good player, just not a fit on this team.
he also handles the ball well
creates shots, and (when healthy) will draw 5+ FTA/, not to mention get us out on the break with all of his steals. If DRose’s new 3 is as reliable as he thinks it will be then we wouldn’t need Ellis to crush from deep that often.
Ellis + Rose
Are there 50 shots to share from our guards?
Ellis makes Rose look like an All-NBA defensive candidate.
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by NBA Observer on Jul 16, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
dude is an electric scorer tho
he fills it up in a lot of ways.. he just also allows players on the other team to do the same..
by juicewolta on Jul 16, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ellis has had exactly one good year (07-08) and other than that, he's been rubbish.
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by fundamentallysound on Jul 16, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
what are you saying
he just came from a 25.5ppg / 5.3 apg / 4rpg / 2.2 spg season. He was awesome aside from turning the ball over way too much
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 16, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Good counting stats
But his efficiency was not good. Pretty low TS%. But he could be better working off the ball.
He;s horribly inefficient and his per game averages are inflated because of the breakneck pace that GSW plays at.
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by fundamentallysound on Jul 16, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
He played the most minutes in the league!!!
For reference, if Tyrus Thomas played that many minutes, he would have had…
17 pts, 11 rebs, 2 assts, 2 stls, 3 blocks
and we’d all be drooling over him.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
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you already are!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Always have been.
We’re namesakes!!!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
He'd have even more because the Warriors play at the league's fastest pace or thereabouts.
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by fundamentallysound on Jul 16, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
His ORtg isn't even above 100
he flat out sucks. He can’t play off the ball, and there’s no way I’d take the ball out of Rose hands for him.
I’d rather have JJ or Brewer.
by Stacey_Is_King on Jul 16, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Sam just named every remaining free agent and threw a question mark behind their name
I wish it was that easy for the rest of us to be professional journalists.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 16, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Ellis would be terrible, terrible, terrible
It’d be a disaster.
by Stacey_Is_King on Jul 16, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Sam also mentions throwing JJ at SG again.
What is his obsession with this terrible idea?
/Puke
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by RogersPark Kris on Jul 16, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Probably because some part of him recognizes getting a big, strong, excellent athlete to play the 2
is the right strategy, instead of going for another undersized, unathletic guy.
Which is why I keep saying we look for a guy like Iggy, Ariza, or Henry. Like, seriously, go out and make serious bids. Shake the tree and see if an apple falls.
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by Sports2 on Jul 16, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
sometimes i wonder if the Bulls know you can make trades before the day of the deadline.
i imagine their work right now involves Gar googling “2010 nba free agents” and going from there.
How do you know they aren't?
That’s the thing with trades. We don’t know what they are or aren’t doing.
Yeah, true.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 16, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
no, the org sucks!
sucks, i tells ya!
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
Because there are a variety of connected and sourced guys
And not one of them floats anything like those ideas.
They might be shills, but guys like Smith generally do give a sense of what the Bulls are thinking. And what they’re thinking is “spend our money on middling talents”.
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Guys, I think we need to see if any other deals are backloaded.
Other than max level ones that are always back loaded, or Miami perhaps because they have some leverage with the big 3 there, people just want to play there.
I really think the Bulls and most other teams are likely at the mercy of agents and players here. Everybody is talking lockout, everybody wants to get paid in a way to maximize their money prior to the lockout.
So I think that backloaded deals are just not likely happening as frequently as they previously were.
well lets look at amare for example
he initially agreed to a 5 year, 100 mill deal with NY, backloaded with 8% raises. then, after he was signed and traded, he let the knicks switch it to a backloaded deal with 10.5% raises so they could have more cap room this summer.
and i dont see how the new cba or the lockout effects this; the nba isn’t going to cease to exist after next season. it will eventually get settled, and these contracts that are guaranteed are going to stay guaranteed, and these players will get every dollar that they signed for. i really don’t see many free agents making it a sticking point that they want their 5 year 80 million dollar deal spread out evenly rather than with 8% raises or 10.5% raises. it matters much more to the team than the player
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Again, max deals HAVE to be backloaded.
They include raises.
For example, the most Lebron and Bosh and Wade could make in year one was 16.6 million I believe. That was regardless of the 5 or 6 year extension for the max. And in either case, their salaries go up with raises every year.
So you can’t look at max guys to use as an example of backloaded vs frontloaded deals.
amares deal didnt have to have 10.5% raises
he got the same money total whether it was 8% or 10.5%
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
Maybe because he's an older player (why he can make more) it allows him to have a flatter deal, I'm not positive.
But every max contract for every big free agent that they showed had to start with a smaller salary and in turn was “backloaded” as it included max raises throughout.
Maybe Amare made a max-like contract this offseason and it’s not entirely max in every year? Do you have any Amare number links?
All my stuff is based on the free agency period, where people were even using sportscenter to highlight possible scenarios, all involving max free agents starting at the lowest salary in year 1.
here
the operative part:
Stoudemire’s agent, Happy Walters, said the Knicks and Suns will complete a sign-and-trade arrangement. The five-time All-Star will still get a five-year contract, but will take a little less than the maximum allowed in the first year to provide the Knicks with additional salary cap space. By signing with the Suns first, he is entitled to larger raises, but the total value of the deal will still be about $100 million.
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by chapuforyou on Jul 16, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
What, sports blog commenters don't get Seventh Heaven references?
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by chapuforyou on Jul 16, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Psh. You probably like The Wire and Friday Night Lights.
TV snob.
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by chapuforyou on Jul 16, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
All in the game.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 16, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
So that is saying that he technically didn't sign for the max...
A max deal means you get the maximum first year value and the maximum raises each year. Stoudemire originally agreed to a max deal with New York. That meant he could only get a max first year amount and 8% raises each year.
Then, the Knicks and Suns apparently agreed to a sign-and-trade, which meant Stoudemire could get 10.5% raises. So he could have gotten paid even more than he did (and gotten an extra year). But instead of doing that, he reduced the first year salary and increased the raises. So technically not a max deal anymore.
But regardless, you can’t frontload a max contract. A max contract by definition includes the maximum first-year salary and the maximum annual raises (i.e., backloaded). So as RyPac said, it’s moot to discuss frontload/backload with max contracts, as by definition they must be backloaded.
by SouthernCub on Jul 16, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
You can front load a max contract
Up to 17.5% can be paid up front as a signing bonus. For salary cap purposes the bonus is amortized over the guaranteed years of the contract.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q65
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 16, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
But that kind of makes it not a max contract
As you get less than the maximum amount of money (because you have to reduce the year one salary so that the average of the signing bonus and the first year salary are not more than the max you can get in year one (which subsequently reduces your salary in the following years).
In adjusted terms (considering discounting), frontloading may give them more money (depends on your discount rate). But in nominal dollars it’s less than the max.
What I am saying is that it is impossible for Amare to be paid 20 million this year.
Even though he has a 5 year, 100 million dollar deal, the rules do not allow him to be paid that much in year 1, 20 million. He got paid the maximum that he could in year one (as well as the other years).
If the Bulls
were so high on Redick, why didn’t they offer another million or two onto the offer sheet? It seems like they took a lackadaisical/arrogant approach signing their potential starting SG.
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they can only front-load it so much
or else they raise the total value of the deal, can’t simply take off a couple million off subsequent years.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Couldn't they have used a signing bonus
which, I believe, is prorated over the life of the contract for cap purposes?
Still can only decrease by 8%
If we could pay him 12 million this year and 2 million every year thereafter, I still say it would be stupid, but it could work. But salary can only decrease by 8%. If you add 2 mil this year, you are in essence adding just under 6 million to the deal in total.
I think 3 years, $20M was a very competitive offer for JJ Redick.
If they decided to match that, they probably would’ve matched $21-22M.
I kind of agree with this.
If he was worth 3/$20, considering our available cap space he is probably worth 3/$26. Plus, if the Magic match a competitor is even more hamstrung. If they really felt that strongly about Redick, then they should have made sure that Magic didn’t match and if they did that it would hurt. I guess maybe they really didn’t feel that strongly about Redick.
If we gave him 26, probably 9 of that would be in the first year.
If we only have $11.8M in cap space right now, it’d be real tough to fill out the roster with $2.8M. We’d still have needed another SG, back up PG and a big man.
I blame yfbb
if he had just said “Ya!!!” on the offer sheet to redick we would have got him. But alas, he wasn’t ecstatic nor trilled and in the end his doubt were chosen by the bball trade god’s and his wishes were granted.
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Bulls should of never let
Larry Hughes go :-/
by Tobo on Jul 16, 2010 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
He's a free agent.
Won’t be long before the Bulls snatch him up.
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by chapuforyou on Jul 16, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
He's coming off a career season high .853 FT%
The Bulls should strike while the iron is hot :P
by Tobo on Jul 16, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Off topic and annoying question
How do ya’ll embed links?
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click the mini chain link after u highlight the word u want linked
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So
Does anyone else think Ronnie Brewer will be a Bull before the night is done?
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 16, 2010 11:05 AM CDT reply actions
I do.
Although I hope it’s not without a stab at getting Rudy Fernandez.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 16, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Let's get both then
It’s not like we cant afford both
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 16, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
That would be nice, but I think Rudy wants the minutes.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 16, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
He can't have 48 minutes a game
We need multiple good players to play SG
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 16, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I think they both want to be starters.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think Brewer would handle the support role better
Even though he has been more of a starter in his career than Rudy, I have a feeling this guy would be content if he held an important role. Granted, I think Rudy would be more valuable off the bench because of the chance that he serves as a backup to Rose as well, but I seriously would want that problem to solve.
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by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
That's interesting.
How much time has Rudy logged at the 1?
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 16, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
what you do
is sign brewer first, while he thinks he’s a lock for the starter role. then trade (if it’s even possible) for rudy, who has no say in the matter. if rudy shows defensive accountability under thibodeau, he’ll get 30 minutes, easy.
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He got 23 min/game and only shot about as often as Pargo did last year.
And this team lost Kirk. I’m sure he’d get 30 minutes with us, at least, and would have a decent shot at starting. The Knicks are probably the only other team that can give him that opportunity right now.
Ronnie Brewer should be a Bull by the end of the night.
If not, I will know the same old idiots still run the team.
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honestly
would be giddy if we got Mayo in a trade
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We're not getting Mayo in a trade. Maybe Rudy if they're lucky.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 16, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
We are getting Mayo
Gar just graduated from the Chicago School of Hypnosis
by NerdVernacular on Jul 16, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
let's be honest
we’re not getting anybody in a trade. this org simply doesn’t go out and get guys…they get rid of them.
i thinik they wise'd up
and Jerry is gonna spend it all this year. Plus lockout next year..that’s a whole yr with no bball and if we suck this year, that will hurt or brand, IMO
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i'll believe it when i see it
at this point, i’ll be stunned if this front office actually pulls off a trade for Rudy/Henry/Iguodala. stunned!
aww mani forgot Henry is up for grabs too
Henry would be soo sweet. Id love to see him develop.
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and equally stunned if we sign Romain Sato
when KC and Sam say we’re interested in Keith Bogans, to me, it means we’re getting Keith Bogans.
rudy would be nice
i think a trade has to be done. This redick deal hurt us and brewer is cool..but i def would be happier with Rudy or Mayo
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I can see the upside with Mayo
But what upside is there to Fernandez over Brewer? I admit I don’t see either play except on National TV since I don’t have the NBA package, but I can’t see why we would want to give something up when we can get Brewer for nothing.
by Vegas Brian on Jul 16, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I just like Rudy’s O over Brewer
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I like his 3PT shooting, but other than that Brewer would probably fit better offensively.
He’s terrific in transition and he scores on hustle plays. He’s also an effective passes who doesn’t turn the ball over. His skill set isn’t ideal offensively, but his efficiency should make up for it. Think of it this way: if Brewer plays 30 minutes a game, he probably takes 8 shots and makes 4 of them. If Rudy plays 30, he probably takes 9 shots and makes 3.5.
Rudy has the 37% 3pt shooting.
Which is awesome and which the Bulls need.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 16, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't he just have 16 turnovers
in one game in summer league? Yikes.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 16, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, those dreams of him running point kinda crashed for Memphis.
He’s still a good young player with the traits you would want in a SG next to Rose.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 16, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
no doubt
so they have a surplus of G’s, seems like we could get one of them away from there
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 16, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
He would be an awesome addition to this team,
something I could really get excited about. As it stands this team as constructed is only marginally better than last years squad.
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They weren't going to have a huge improvement unless Wade or James came here.
Going from 41 wins to 50 might not be a huge leap, but the quality of play will be much better.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 16, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
A basketball?
He’s probably great a dribbling a soccer ball.
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by NBA Observer on Jul 16, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Rudy Fernandez is probably out
The word is that he wants more minutes and/or to be a starter. Since he can’t get that in Portland, it looks like Fernandez is trying to back out of the NBA and run back to the Euroleagues, specifically the Greek League.
he'd get minutes and be a starter as a Bull
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
so what would his pay be?
Hopefully no more than Sasha Vujacic’s salary. Rudy is marginally better than Sasha, but I can’t even imagine paything him what the Machine is paid.
He's under contract
pretty cheap too. Salary wouldn’t be a concern at all.
by NerdVernacular on Jul 16, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
He would be the no-brainer starting SG in Chicago. There is literally no other option at this point.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 16, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I just wonder if they still go after Ronnie if they're able to land Rudy
If they were able to land both along with Boozer and Korver, I’d jump on the A+ bandwagon as well
by Option27 on Jul 16, 2010 12:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it would be good, but I don't think it happens.
Especially if they got Fernandez first, no way I see Brewer signing if he might only be a backup.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Then whatever, sign Bogans with Rudy
Not as good, but not bad.
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by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
what can we offer that they would want though?
Johnson and a pick for sure, but what if they want Taj?
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YES!!!
A starting SG is way cooler than a backup PF.
On the realzzzz.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Only because we're desperate for a SG
Taj and Rudy, I think, are comparable comodities. Taj has 3 years of a cheap contract left, while rudy has two. Taj brings solid, smart D, offensive rebounding, and a nice jump shot to go with an O-K post up game. He’s not an easy find. Rudy has 3pt shooting, solid ball handling, great athleticism, and a high bball IQ.
It’s almost tit for tat even though Rudy is forcing his way out—usually causing a downgrade in trade value.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
excellent points
tyger and aacf. we need to address front court depth if this were to go down though. that or JJ is our new back up pf.
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I think you're missing the point. We have a starting PF now, though.
They might be comparable in production on a per-minute basis (although I disagree on that), but Fernandez would likely be getting twice as many minutes as Taj would be. That would make him twice as valuable.
If they actually did a Taj for Rudy trade, the Bulls could sign Brad Miller and Trent Plaisted. I’d be extremely happy to run out.
Rose – Law
Rudy – Korver
Deng – Korver – Johnson
Boozer – Noah – Plaisted
Noah – Asik – Miller
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
We're passing like two ships in the night a little
Fernandez’s production is higher on a per-minute basis, I agree with that. Value wise, Taj is cheaper for longer contract wise, and plays at a position that is harder to get good value for (PF/in the frontcourt). Minutes will be higher for Fernandez, but it is not as though Taj’s role is superfluous on the Bulls. In addition, his value is comparable because of that and because he is anything but a headache to a coaching staff or management. He’s a worker.
I will argue that we still definitely need a backup PF with Taj gone. Yes, Noah can play backup PF, yes, B Miller and Noah can play well at the same time (and Boozer and Miller doesn’t sound too shabby, either) but what happens when we have an injury?
I would still do the trade, but I would rather offer less at first (1 draft pick and JJ) then a bit more (2 firsts), a bit more still (2 firsts and a second or JJ), before finnally offering Taj and a second rounder. If they want a first and Taj, I’d still do that, as long as it is OUR first, and not the Bobcats’.
You’re right, we’re desperate for Rudy’s services, and he would help A LOT (probably more than Redick) but Taj is a tough price to swallow—though it absolutely should happen if Blazers are willing.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
This might not be fair
But I just feel that Rudy Fernandez would be a weak ass European player who would fold in a hard fought playoff series.
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In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Good thing we took care of our toughness issue this off-season
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 16, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
He's also a weak-ass European player who
by LeBryaneWosh on Jul 16, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
He got IN FRONT of him!! He didn't dunk OVER him.
All right. I should not make a blanket statement about European players. Dirk, Kokoc, Sabonis were great. I can’t think of any guards outside of the guy who played with the Nets back in the day.
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So its been said before, but I say...
We take a shot at Romain Sato….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRaJ8b7kuV4
He was 2009-2010 Italian league MVP and one of the best players in Europe. He is 29 but he has great athleticism, is an inside outside guy , and I believe will fit what the bulls are looking for. The only problem is he wants to start. So I say give him a chance to win the starting job .
Now Ronnie Brewer, no matter what happens, we should sign. His athleticism and defense will fit perfectly in our system.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk5ax-PJECc
Coach Thibs could really use a wing defender like this guy. At 6-7 he could potentially guard the two or the three and athletically there isn’t anyone in the nba at the 2 he can’t guard. Everybody is talking all this non sens about “duh..he can’t start..he i’snt good enough behind the 3 line…” The same people won’t argue the fact that we have no other ball handler besides Rose (and I’m sorry A center doesnt count. I am a huge florida fan and Noah is my favorite player in the NBA, but you dont look to a center to be the secondary ball handle. They don’t have the athleticism to spread the floor).
Whether brewer starts or not doesn’t matter. He would be a situational guy. We we play a team with a Good shooting guard then he plays when they play. When we play teams that are weak at the two the he plays when derrick rose doesn’t, We need a second guy that is relatively cheap, a good defender , and can drive the lane. The only got available right now is brewer. 3 point shooters who cant create there own offense are a dime a dozen.
Your argument?? We should get rudy fernandez? really? I mean i like the guy, he has a good shot, but his athleticism is limited and I would want to put him up defensively against any of the top 10 SGs in the league. Trading for fernandez will be a good move IF you sign brewer. IF not, Dwayne Wade, Kobe Bryant, and Every other athletic SG that shoots in the upper 40s or lower 502 from the 2 or the three will kill us….
At least Captain Kirk could play defense…
while sato is interesting, i doubt he's a clearly superior athlete
from the draftexpress profiles
sato ____ 6’2"w/o 6’3.5"w/shoes 204lbs 6’11"wingspan 8’6.5"reach 31.5"no step 35.5"max 11.27agility 3.13sprint
fernandez 6’4.75"w/o 6’6"w/shoes 172 6’7.5"wingspan 8’5.5"reach 26.5"no step 35.5"max 10.48agility 3.33sprint
plus sato’s 4+yrs older. i was a little disappointed in his highlight video, actually. and these measurements, other than the wingspan!
ronnie brewer’s draft “measurements” trumps both.
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VETERAN PG's
Why have we heard such little discussion by the Bulls organization as to who the back up PG will be?? It seems as though they aren’t even looking
Are they just falling back on a summer leaguer?
Because we haven't found our starting SG yet...
Cap needs to be allocated there before we put money into a guy going to play 10 minutes a game. I think they were hoping to get reddick to do both…
Looks like we got Brewer.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 16, 2010 1:10 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
yup
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Rudy
Would love to see Rudy Fernandez here, love his game. I think we can offer him plenty of playing time off the bench at the 2 and the 3. The problem is what can we offer the Blazers? I don’t wanna give up someone like Taj
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