Fanhouse: Magic to match Redick's offer sheet
Too bad. Bring on Ronnie Brewer.
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If we sign Brewer, what shooter can we go after?
Roger Mason Jr.? Luther Head?
You know who would be a great back up PG on this team? Jason Williams. Ihe goes to Miami, though.
They are actually going to give Reddick 14 mil? Wow
Oh well, grab Barnes and away we go
Ronnie Brewer and Keyon Dooling here we come.
Wouldn’t mind bringing in Romain Sato from Europe either.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 15, 2010 7:57 PM CDT reply actions
any idea what Sato would cost?
i admit i know very little about him, but what i’ve read makes him sound like a gamble worth taking. i guess he’s in high demand overseas.
With Sato I think it's more about him getting a lot of minutes, he wants to come to an NBA team that has a big role for him.
With the Bulls gaping hole at SG, they certainly have minutes on offer. I’m sure they can pay him enough, especially now that Redick is matched. He would probably be better than Redick. He’s more athletic, better defender, and he can really, really shoot it.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 15, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
looks for real in that video you posted
DX had good things to say about his defense too. hmmm, i hope the Bulls are exploring him.
That's a really interesting thought
He is now 29, I think, and is known as an efficient scorer who can shoot the lights out from distance. He is now 29; if he is ever going to take another shot at the NBA, this would seem to be the time and quite possibly the niche. I know that his contract in Italy was due to run out; does anyone know if he has signed another?
by thelivingant on Jul 15, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Not yet. Olympiacos is trying to get him right now.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 15, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Dooling is a decent option to back up Rose.
Last two years combined in New Jersey: shot over 40% from 3PT, A/TO ratio around 2.5 in 23 minutes.
Ronnie Brewer, Roger Mason Jr., Eddie House
Ask me about Tom Thibodeau!!!
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i'd be ok with that
i would be fine subbing Acie Law for Eddie House. then hopefully still have room for Kurt Thomas…or Brad.
House is ineresting
Has there been any reports indicating that we’re even considering him? Since we appear to be avoiding the trade market, it doesn’t look like we’ll be getting a starting two that can shoot the three. All our shooting is gonna have to come off the bench.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 15, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn you Orlando!
I was really starting to warm up to this signing. Oh well, Brewer it is.
Superteams suck.
So...the Magic have no conscience when it comes to spending. Damn.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
yeah, its a good thing our owner isnt a financial sociopath :(
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
its weird when teams put everything into winning
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 15, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Isn't it, though?
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I mean, it has to be a "special" player for JR to go intot the tax
Team revenue was 136 mill in 2004
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2005/32/321267.html
150 in 2007
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/32/biz_06nba_Chicago-Bulls_321267.html
JR should sell the franchise to someone who acutally likes basketball, because clearly, he doesn’t. The White Sox, baseball, is his primary concern. I AM CONVINCED THAT HIS SPENDING HABITS FOR THE SOX ARE DEPENDENT UPON a huge profit margin in basketball. The Bulls are his justification for spending too much on the sox players. I just have so much anger over this, I hate it. The Bulls are a city-wide team, the Sox are for the southside. He should put as much or more commitment of time and funds to the Bulls. You know what? Actually, he does. But it is focused on micromanagement of funds, nothing else. He lets Pax are Gar come up with some ideas, then he takes them down a notch to fit JR tastes.
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/32/biz_06nba_Chicago-Bulls_321267.html
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Aren't they completely different ownership groups?
I don’t believe Reinsdorf is a majority owner of either team. I highly doubt he can get away with comingling Bulls and White Sox funds.
Don't think about it as comingling
Think about it as a justification. “If I only make $10/hr at one job that I really enjoy, and $100/hr at another one that I tolerate, I can keep both jobs and still be well-off.”
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
My prediction:
PG Rose, Law
SG Brewer, Roger Mason
SF Deng, Korver, James Johnson
PF Boozer, Taj
C Noah, Miller
Not exactly what I was dreaming of for the last 2 months, but not too shabby either. That team should be able to compete for a 3 seed in the East.
Mason makes a lot of sense
It’s funny because his 2008-2009 was actually better than Redick’s 2009-2010 season.
Don't forget Asik
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Brewer's fine
I am really glad we grabbed Korver now. I was starting to look forward to Redick on the wing though.
I'm worried about Brewer offensively on this team
He’s not gonna get the looks he got in Utah on the Bulls. He kinda reminds me of a more athletic Luol Deng. That being said, we aren’t sure what Thibs’ offense is gonna look like.
Superteams suck.
He can't shoot
but he’ll be awesome on the break with Rose and Noah. Dude can get up and down quickly, and he can dunk like crazy.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
We still need another shooter
I’m not impressed with Roger Mason Jr. I think this means we resign Brad Miller.
Why not both?
We definitely still lack depth at guard if Brewer is signed.
No, you don't want him taking outside shots
But he should be able to score inside. And that would be an extremely solid defensive starting 5.
I like Howard too
But I haven’t heard he’d be out until Jan. If he’s out then no I don’t like him.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
He tore his ACL in late feb or early march
They reccommend a year, but 9 months is usually a minimum. The new ligament/tendon is usually not strong enough until then. If Wes Welker comes back to the NFL for the first game of the season, or preseason, I pretty much guarantee he’s gonna mess up that knee.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks
tHAT STINKS….
This just after the report that we had interest, I was intrigued.
Why don’t we try to grab Leon Powe as another big…he’d be cheap and presumably now healthy again….
I think he signed a 1 yr with Cleveland.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Yea, hopefully we're good enough defensively to make up for the lack of outside shooting
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 15, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Would rather not have to find out
Boston didn’t after all. Pierce, and especially Allen, could drain from deep.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions
People here know Mason is awful, right?
Might as well bring Flip Murray back.
by Stay Chisel on Jul 15, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I've seen enough of Mason to know he's nothing great...
… and that a lot of his success was attributable to playing on that Spurs team. He is a totally pedestrian player.
by Stay Chisel on Jul 15, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, thanks for f*cking us over on the 7 days thing Magic.
You could’ve just offered it right away and allowed us to go after some of these other guys.
Should be fun kicking your asses this season.
I would have considered signing
Morrow
Childress
Livingston
Bell
all taken in the past week. though i guess the org didn’t want them if they didn’t sign them.
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
Morrow seemed like a good fit.
I’m sure the Bulls contacted him.
he went for cheap
must really like new jersey. that or we offered him scraps.
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
Yea but
Morrow is kind of a tool. He’s another one of those guys that is always tweeting opinionated and occasionally misspelled crap for all to see.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Me three
I actually wanted him to Replace Deng months ago. It had a chance to happen if Minnesota wised-up and trade Al Jefferson for Deng. If that had happened, they would have falled ass-backwards into drafting cousins over Wesley Johnson and refused to spend the money on Dako the Dumbass.
Flynn
Corey Brewer
Deng
Love
Cousins
so much better of a lineup than
Flynn
Webster
Wesley Johnson
Love
Darko
They’re idiots. And we got screwed in the process.
Rose
?
Childress
Jefferson
Noah
++++++
Gibson
JJohnson
and still 26 million to burn. We could have taken on VC’s contract for one year and still had enough to fill out the roster.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
We could have signed all these guys though
We still had the money….I don’t think Redick prevents us from signing Livingston or Bell esp at their prices.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
of course they'd wait all 7 days
if you get a chance to delay signings from a conf rival, do it.
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by chibullsfan03 on Jul 15, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
It was perfectly reasonable for the Magic to take the full 7 days to make their decision
I would expect the Bulls to do the same thing if roles were reversed. You don’t make rash decisions when you don’t have to.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 15, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
its not even rashness versus prudence. its just makes sense to make your competitors
uncomfortable if you can. why would anyone expect anything else?
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
What the hell?
Is this a Magic thread or a Bulls thread.
Whose side are you on?
haha, don't be a dolt
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 16, 2010 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think you forget
that the Bulls offer sheet to Reddick basically f*cked over the Magic with the front loaded contract and is anticipated to force the Magic to pay luxury tax. They’re perfectly within their rights to try to exact some retribution on us.
LeBron is an Asshole
possibly, but maybe Orlando tries to dump salary in another trade or something?
by KentuckyBullsFan on Jul 15, 2010 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
oh, you kids are funny
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Sign Kirk Penny
He can shoot some 3s for the minimum
by materd on Jul 15, 2010 8:41 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Good idea, in theory
Thing is, Luol isn’t the type of player that gets traded for “better” players. Usually teams that trade away their stars are looking for a combination of young talent on rookie deals, expiring contracts and draft picks.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 15, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Bulls need another outside shooter
just having korver isn’t enough………….Brewer will be good on defense and on fast breaks but can’t shoot outside
Anyone one like Jared Dudley at a backup SF\SG
guy can shoot.
45 3pt%
45 FG%
75 FT%
not sure about his D and Rebs though, but could be a good rotation\role player,
Trade for JJ?, JJ probably has more long term upside, but lets be honest, were probably never gonna see that.
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
The Pros
Brewer is 6’ 7" and 220 pounds 25 years old. He can really help on defense. We need a lock down defender. We now really hope Rose’s three is really improved. Occasionally let Brewer drive and kick out to Rose.
Indeed, filled the perimeter defender role for them.
But was a borderline offensive liability even with DWIlliams feeding him the ball.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Gordon?
Not really serious… but a little.
Rudy
Portland has Roy and Batum starting at SG/SF and they’re paying Matthews $34 million to come off the bench. Bayless sees minutes at the 2 and they drafted Babbitt who should get minutes at the 3. Rudy is basically the 3rd option at the swing spots. I think a future 1st gets him.
yeh Im selling myself on this too.
where else are we gonna find a young 6’6 GS with upside shooting ability and athleticism ?
vote Rudy.
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
We should start a petition
Everyone on this blog, save a few outliers, want Fernandez here.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Why...
Derrick and Deng can spread the floor among the starters…Boozer has range out 18 feet…Korver will get about 15-20 minutes off the bench…and we could sign another guy (Dooling, House, Head) to help spread the floor…
The Bulls need a shooting guard who can defend his position, make the right basketball play…Boozer, Rose and Deng will be the main offensive weapons in our starting five…Noah and Brewer will get garbage buckets…efficiently.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Rose's "new" 3 point shot is still not game tested.
Korver is the only remotely proven 3 point shooter on the roster. Long jump shots inside the 3pt line are not eficient, and are risky to count on. We didn’t even count on them with the Hinrich/Gordon Bulls because we shot—and made, a shit ton of threes.
A 3 point shooter is needed. Thibs and Gar and Pax really wanted Redick, a prolific 3 point shooter—that should be a tip that a shooter is needed to run the offense correctly. he wants to spread all the way to the perimeter. As I’ve said before, neither a pump fake from Deng or James Johnson is going to hold water from a defender. They’ll let them shoot it all day.
Also, it’s not like Rondo shoots threes. I doubt Thibs needs that three point shot from him as much as from the other wing players and perhaps a stretch four or five.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
that's why if they were realy serious about Redick, they should have overpayed for him like the matthews deal.
If they did that then the Magic wouldn’t have matched. 18 mil for the first yr for Redick? They wouldn’t have done that. By offering Redick 7mil dis yr, they knew the Magic would match that given his good performance in the last playoffs. DAMN! I was so pumped about this one then it just went off. DAMN!
Top 3pt shooting SGs from last year.
Dont have a heart attack ive optimised image to 16k ;)
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
Not getting Morrow hurts a bit more now
Poor job by the Bulls. We could’ve walked away with Morrow on a team friendly deal AND Brewer or another defensive two and been in great shape.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 15, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Morrow and Korver bring exactly the same thing to the table
We got one, so I’m content. If you prefer Morrow to Korver, that’s fine, but neither one’s a starting caliber player.
Brad Miller is god.
Well who is a "starting caliber player" that's available?
The idea would be to get Morrow AND Brewer (and Korver). This team need some shooting. Morrow’s deal that he got with the Nets is not big money at all. He would have been fine for this team for right now.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 15, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Well I want Brewer (because he's the only guy left)
But is Brewer + Korver + Morrow any better than just Brewer + Korver? There are only so many minutes out there. I guess if Korver ends up getting hurt, we’ll wish we’d had Morrow, but 3 years $12 million is a lot to give to a 3rd-stringer.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 15, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
But is Brewer + Korver + Morrow any better than just Brewer + Korver?
Um, yea.
We’re still gonna need another guard that can shoot if we got Brewer. Why not make that guy Morrow?
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 15, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I would rather have Keyon Dooling
Dooling is a pretty good 3pt shooter, can handle the ball and even can create his own shot from time to time.
dooling wouldn't be the worst choice in the world
delonte would be my preference if the guy weren’t batshit crazy. i just think the dude is too out there.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
How would you divvy up the SG minutes in each of those cases?
I would go with Brewer – 30, Morrow – 10, Korver – 8 in scenario 1 and Brewer – 35, Korver – 13 in scenario 2. Overall, the difference is probably negligible.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 15, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not 3 shooting guards
Korver would be playing a majority of the time backing up Lu. And if history tells us anything it’s that we’re really gonna need that backup.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 15, 2010 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Korver's minutes at SF aren't correlated with Morrow being on the team
I agree that we need another guard, but we don’t need another guard who doesn’t do bring anything to the table that we don’t already have in Korver. I’d rather have Brewer + Korver + Roger Mason Jr.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 15, 2010 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Which is probably what will happpen
I’m just saying, we have the money, so why not spend a little more to get the superior player? Morrow is better than Roger Mason Jr.. We’re gonna need that depth this year. We really need a backup pg too btw.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 15, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
For 3/12
I wouldn’t mind having both Korver and Morrow, and seeing what Morrow can do with big minutes and a defensive minded coach. I wonder if the Bulls even considered Morrow. I keep hearing Bulls have/had interest in players like Nate Robinson and Tracy McGrady. I’d consider the Bulls signing Tracy McGrady to be a FAIL.
LeBron is an Asshole
Well
Morrow is really one-dimensional, so I like Redick a lot better.
The Bulls probably should have known that the Magic were going to match Redick at that price.
That's why I was pissed the moment I saw the Redick deal
The Magic were obviously gonna match that offer
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 15, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Too late now
Morrow is off the market…………..but you are right, the bulls should have known this and sign morrow and brewer
we prefer
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 15, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
we prefer
“The player that can go to hell”
by Jermal on Jul 15, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought it was
The asshat formerly known as Wade
Now we don't have a starting SG that can actually shoot the ball. Brewer is fine but not as a starting SG.
We need a shooter in the 2 spot that has 3 point range. Somewhere somehow wishes that we didn’t give up the 17th pick. James Anderson would have been that guy.
Dont think we would have been starting Anderson over Brewer.
but he would have been a great pick, maybe we can make a run at Henry?
fallout with MEM, they stacked at SG ?? Dont know if we have anything MEM wants though
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
This is where yfbb's "get creative" plan would be nice
Unfortunately it looks like the Bulls are more than happy to just move down the list of free agents. Bulls brass definitely deserves some heat for this.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 15, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
indeed
Im not one for the torches and pitchforks, and dont blame them for no Lebron etc.
But after signing Boozer we were in the driver seat as far as desirable destinations go,
how we loose out on Morrow cheap to NJ is beyond me, If you got the feeling you could get Morrow right away for a good deal, why tie up your money for 7 days with Redick.
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
Did GS announce they weren't going to match any deal for Morrow?
They decided to bid on the better player. I can’t totally fault them for that. Morrow does seem awfully duplicative of Korver.
true
Bulls org did put a pretty decent offer in for Redick, so missing out on Morrow may have been a calculated risk, Morrow is a little one dimensional i guess, but did fit a need.
actually not sure on GSW stance on Morrow in general, don’t see why they would throw him away, But NJ seem to be getting him for a steal.
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
$1 million less per year than Korver
They apparently didn’t view Redick as only a shooter. In the designated spot-up shooter slot they selected Korver over Morrow. Considering his playoff experience, I think it was worth the $1 million premium.
Yeh I actually like the Korver signing.
Though as far as 3pt shotting goes Korver has the better %, but only by a relativity narrow margin and Morrow took more than double the 3PTA that Korver did.
We may be micro analyzing a littl e here, Korver..good signing, if Redick falls though which it looks like it will, we need a decent shooting SG that can defend well at his position, or at least willing to defend and Thibs can whip em into shape.
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
i think they really deserve some heat on how they played out this week of FA.
4 guys went off the market this week. Morrow, Childress, Livingston, Bell. Now there is really no shooter left on the market that is a capable starter. Only way they can it is through the trade market. I just hope they can pull a trick in their hat to land a quality 2 guard that can shoot the ball.
I don't blame them on Livingston
Why would he play here when he has a legitimate chance to start on the Bobcats, PLUS make more money over there? He probably wasn’t an option. The Morrow thing is baffling though. We could be all set right now. First Morrow, then get Brewer. I’m liking that team a lot. Now it’s a crap shoot. I’m not high on the Brewer/Roger Mason combo.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 15, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
me neither. Morrow would have been the better choice. I know the knack on him was that
he played in a GS offense which is well GS. But still, he is taller, has the skills and he can be developed. and 3yrs/12?? That is absolutely a bargain. I just don’t get why they didn’t look at him first. Now the team has a glaring hole in the 2 spot. Now they are saying the Roger Mason/Bogans/Brewer are they back up plans, really??..
Why is Morrow so much better than Mason?
Mason had a little bit of a down year last year, but was excellent in 2008-2009.
Mason is a 38% career 3 pt shooter, Morrow is a 46% shooter from 3.
by Stay Chisel on Jul 15, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Morrow is *only* a 3PT shooter
Mason does some other things well and can knock down an open three. I don’t see what Morrow can do that Korver can’t.
Morrow is an amazing 3 point shooter
Mason is pretty much average at everything. Morrow has a Craig Hodges kind of game— he comes off the bench to hit 3s. Mason is just an average player coming off the bench to hopefully not blow leads. I’d rather have a bench guy with one amazing skill than one who is wholly unspectacular at everything.
by Stay Chisel on Jul 15, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
But we already have Korver for 3 point shooting
I can’t imagine playing both Korver and Morrow at the same time for significant minutes. Redick would have been a nice pick-up because he does a little bit more than just shoot 3s.
From Hollinger
Morrow Scouting Report:
Scouting report: Morrow isn’t a great athlete, but he doesn’t need to be because of the way he shoots. His college numbers back up what he did as a pro, so those superb percentages are likely to hold up in coming seasons. Additionally, he’s comfortable shooting off the dribble, especially when he has a smaller player on him. Perhaps he’s a little too comfortable, actually, as he could probably use more 3s and fewer long 2s in his shot mix.
Morrow rarely drives all the way to the basket because he doesn’t have the burst or dribbling skill to beat defenders off the dribble. When he does get close-in shots, they’re usually putbacks.
Defensively, Morrow is in over his head. He’s too slow to guard 2s and too small to check 3s, and he doesn’t react well from the weak side. His team defense is likely to improve as he gains understanding of the pro game, but he’ll probably always be a liability at this end. Additionally, the downside to his frenetic offensive rebounding was that he left the backcourt exposed and made it easier for opponents to run.
Morrow is probably better than Mason, but he isn’t really better than Korver.
Morrow's not even better than Mason, if you ask me
Mason’s definitely a far superior defender and capable of playing PG for spot minutes.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 15, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
With that report
I wonder what the correlation is between fans of Morrow and fans of BG, cause they sound like they play very similar games
Not exactly
For all of his faults, Ben is much more than just a spot-up 3PT shooter. He good create his own shot which Morrow apparently cannot. Also, Ben was too small to guard some 2s rather than too slow.
Romain Sato would qualify as getting creative.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 15, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea, I just saw that video you posted
Prior to that, I’ve never seen or heard of him, but I’m all for it. Even though I don’t know much about him, an interesting euro player has a lot more appeal to me than the usual cast of retreads we hear about (Shannon Brown, Roger Mason etc.)
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 15, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
If what you mean is, have Orlando officially commented?
no.
But a growing number of ‘sources’ and ‘people with knowledge of the situation’ are are saying its a ‘done deal’ or they are ‘leaning in that direction’
how can you question reports like that.
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
KC said there's a press conference planned for tomorrow to announce him staying, so, yea, I think it's over
I never thought it was a viable option in the first place, unless they severely overpaid. Once I saw that contract I knew they would match. How can a team that thinks it’s gonna contend for a championship let a key player slip away after what the Heat did? Maybe this is what the Bulls wanted. They could sell to the fans that they tried to spend the money, but there was nothing worth it on the market.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 15, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
But...
On the other hand, why overpay for a guy that isn’t better than the guy you traded for the cap space to begin with…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Because Redick was never supposed to be Ben's replacement
It was supposed to be one or two of the big three. But now that they’re no longer an option we had to find someone to fill the hole at the two. I’m not saying that Redick deserved to be overpaid, but if they like him that much, and envision him starting at the two, then overpay. Why single out a guy, then go half assed on the offer?
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 15, 2010 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Ben's replacement?
W.T.F. – Do you know who you are talking to?
First, Ben was never traded for cap space…he left after turning down two ridiculous offers from the Bulls…
Second, Hinrich was the starting shooting guard last season, who was moved in draft night handshake deal to the Wiz…a career 38% three point shooter who can defend…vs. Redick a career 39% three point shooter who is willing to defend…
At the end of the day, most around here felt Kirk was overpayed (and I concede he probably was)…there is no reason to overpay another guy to fill that role just to steal him from a team when they are equally (better in my opinion) options on the table in Brewer.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 15, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Lol, ok fine.
Just replace Ben’s name with Kirk and my point remains. Kirk was never traded to make room for Redick, his money was supposed to be used on a far superior player
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 15, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Right...and the big three have taken their talents to South Beach...
So, there is no justification for overpaying a comparable player for the sake of stealing him from the team that owns his rights…
The fact is…the Bulls have tried to spend the money, but short of spending it badly, there is very little on the market that is an upgrade over Hinrich…except for Ronnie Brewer…who will be available for a smaller salary.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 15, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Until Stephen A weighs in on it...
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
On the bright side, we are now back to 12 million in cap space.
On the darkest side, there is no one out their in the FA market who is a capable starting 2-guard that can shoot the ball. We need a shooter in our starting line up. That’s it! A shooter and not a defensive player. Brewer would be fine but again, as a back up 2-guard. He is not an upgrade to Kirk Hinrich. Unless they go to the trade market, they can get one but as what we have seen this off season, the team has not been active in the trade market. Maybe they have but no one is apparently available.
Fuck it. I'd give T Mac a look
Especially if we’re moving into the Roger Mason type of free agents
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 15, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
OK I'll say it ...
How much is left on BG’s contract and what would we have to trade to get him back?
So what.
We got 12 mil in cap space and a need at the 2 spot. You know who’s over paid? Wesley Matthews is over paid. So like I said, seriously, what would we have to trade to get him back?
probably young talent and future picks
Not a fan of the idea of..
!) bringing back BG, too streaky, holds up the ball.
2) helping Detroit rebuild with young talent that could be ours.
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
How does this team need a guy to jack up shots without a conscience?
Someone who wilts under double teams, lacks court vision and has one appreciable basketball skill…?
Scoring will not be an issue with this roster…we have two guys who should average close to 20 a night and another who puts up 17 and 7 consistently for his career…The Bulls need someone who can defend his position, pick his places to score and play the role of 5th starter…aka Ronnie Brewer…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Ok. So the first time there's a trap of Rose
in the corner, and there’s no one open but Deng to shoot a long 20 footer because time is running down on the shot clock and he can’t dribble, we’ll see. Here we are scouring the earth for a SG that can shoot 3 pt shots with consistency and you’re talking about BG wilting under double teams? I think you should take a look at Wrigly’s link below. Besides, at least BG can draws one. Which would also help Rose out a lot. We can sign Brewer tonight but a SG that can shoot is still a need for this team.
But BG doesn't shoot with consistency....thats the point.
If he did he would be a perennial All Star.
Instead his shot is wildly erratic at times, he holds up the ball looking for his shot and rarely gets team mates good looks and is undersized and overpaid.
Just not a good fit in this team IMO.
Im not a BG hater, I liked him when he was a Bull, but hes a Piston now and in hindsight I can be a little more brutal about describing the player he was.
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
I hear you
but that sounds more like John Salmons scouting report to me. I remember BG as a volume shooter. Someone that could score in bunches quickly. 20ppg is pretty consistent to me and he had his most consistent season with Rose.
On the flip side of his 20ppg
A typical BG game consisted of
20ppg on 72 shooting or somthing
0 Steals
1 Assist
1 Rebound
0 blocks
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
What did you expect to get from Reddick?
Or anyone else left in FA? Not the 20ppg i can tell you that much.
We don't need it anymore
what we need is a consistent shooter that can knock it down when called upon and show up on defense.
Redick could have fit that. Brewer can Defend, but not the greatest shooter.
But I do’nt think BG is the answer either.
Plus in general reality terms, i dont think the org will be interested in bringing him back either.
we need to ‘get creative’ hehe
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
BG didn't draw double teams because of his skill at handling them...
Rather, teams would double BG because he failed to successfully negotiate them…
I will take Rose against a double team any night of the week and twice on Sunday compared to BG…and I would be happy with Luol shooting an open 20 footer…he knocks those down.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 15, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not about Rose fighting through a double team
It’s about someone else on the team drawing one when we need him to score. On nights where Korver is shooting well then fine, let Rose get double teamed but on other nights when you need 25 or 30 pts from Rose it’s still going to tough to score I think without a scorer at the 2 and Deng… well he’s not demanding too much attention.
Um...Carlos Boozer will draw double teams.
And he will be the primary scorer on this team…Rose will be secondary…Deng will tertiary.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 15, 2010 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Good Point
I feel like we are kind of forgetting about Boozer in all the hubbub about finding a 2 guard. I still think they should work out a trade of some sort. There are enough cheap 2 guard options that can shoot that they can find someone to do about 85% of what Redick would have done. Guys that can shoot aren’t that hard to find.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 15, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Now you've done it.
You’ve wakened a sleeping giant (ADM Yamamoto after the attack on Pearl)-Matt.
How so?
What was really out there at SG that would have justified writing off a shot at Reddick? There just wasn’t much in the way of quality SGs available once you got past Wade and Joe Johnson. One would like to think that if the Hawks hadn’t lost their minds and offered Johnson the supermax, we might have been able to get him for sub-max deal of some sort, sort of like Boozer, five minutes after James went for Miami. I seriously hope that the org. has at least been taking a look at Romain Sato. On paper, he seems well worth a shot. A combination of him and Brewer might be pretty intriguing. (I say this knowing Sato only from stats in Europe, not having really seen him play.)
by thelivingant on Jul 15, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't really see it
The only guy that we missed out on that is a potential upgrade over Brewer in my book is Childress. But, to me Brewer and Childress are 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. Neither is a threat from 3, Childress is a better offensive playmaker, Brewer is the better athlete and probably the better defender. Brewer also has more experience guarding 2s and will probably be cheaper. Given all of that, I don’t see what we missed out on.
Sign Brewer / Carlos Aroyo / Brad Miller
by rick_ross on Jul 15, 2010 9:56 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Are you saying ESPN hasn't confirmed "we'll be awesome next year yet" ?
I assume you’re talking about the Redick deal, but it struck me as hilarious if you meant the former. I can see a bunch of morons waiting by the set to see if ESPN “confirms” that they have an awesome team.
They have such a likeable Monopoly on sports.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
We would've been awesomer with Redick
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 15, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
we have not yet seen the full extent of our awesomeness.
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
Does this sound right?
ok the numbers are wrong,….first of all the first year of the offer is 14mil which would put them total 15 mil over the cap and cost them 28 mil for the magic to keep redick next year and they still have to sign one player to keep the player requirements by the league.
If that is correct...
When its put like that seems crazy for them to match.
So dont TOTALLY hate the Org if it falls through.
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
Do you have any link at all for that???
Because that is the most ridiculous offer I could imagine for JJ F. Redick. No way the Bulls are offering to make him the highest paid player on the team next season…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 15, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Information not Correct ...the deal will look like this
The big question for the Magic, and the reason why the Bulls made the offer the way they did, is with Orlando in the luxury tax it will cost the Magic, in effect, $14 million each season for the next two seasons to keep Redick. That’s because they are penalized $1 for every $1 they are into the luxury tax and adding Redick to their payroll is another $7 million annually doubled.
Is J.J. Redick worth $14 million per year to his team?
Thus, in effect, they would be paying more than $30 million for their shooting guard spot between starter Vince Carter and backup Redick.
And now confirmed by ESPN dammm
J.J. Redick will remain a member of the Orlando Magic, according to numerous reports.
Redick signed a three-year offer sheet worth nearly $20 million with the Chicago Bulls last week. The Magic had seven days to match and have done so, according to reports.
Do you know how to link to the stories you quote.
Just type the name of the source below the quote, highlight it, then click the little button that looks like a chain link, it will open a box for you to enter the URL of the source you are using…
Seriously, doing that makes it better for everyone.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 15, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Bulls need to make a trade
Trade JJ and next years 1st round pick for a sg…………….maybe to portland for Rudy Fernandez
We don't need Matt Barnes
We have Deng, JJ and Korver manning the 3 spot.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
I guess if we get Brewer, that makes Korver the logical starter at SG.
Rose, Brewer, Deng, Boozer, Noah wouldn’t have a single real 3PT threat and that was a huge problem last year.
I wonder how much the bulls will offer Brewer?
the bulls better not overpay for him
If he has a good agent, Its almost a lock that this happens
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
well.. thats pretty much how 2010 free agency has been..
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait some more, wait some more, wait some more.. and.. wait, wait, wait some more, …and disappointment.. personally I never wanna go through this again.
I can't believe
the Magic are paying this guy $28 million the next two seasons. Redick must be a very happy man…he just won the lottery!
Jeff from Cleveland wrote- I've figured out the moral of the story: Stay in school. Wade: 3 years at Marquette, Bosh: 1 year at Georgia Tech, the kid from Akron: no college. The most educated guy convinced his dumber friends to come play on his team for less money.
Redick isn't getting paid $28 million
1/2 of that is luxury tax money, that technically is independent of Redick’s deal. If they are able to trade Gortat then that becomes a non-issue.
well youre right that its not jj's money
but theyd need to do more than just dump gortats contract; they are way over the tax next season
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
That's right
I got ahead of myself there, but either way, he’s not worth $14 mil.
Jeff from Cleveland wrote- I've figured out the moral of the story: Stay in school. Wade: 3 years at Marquette, Bosh: 1 year at Georgia Tech, the kid from Akron: no college. The most educated guy convinced his dumber friends to come play on his team for less money.
I can't believe it either
Probably because that’s not what’s happening.
by Stay Chisel on Jul 15, 2010 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So.. I'd be happy with..
Brad Miller, Acie Law, Ronnie Brewer, Roger Mason jr.
by SoulEater7 on Jul 15, 2010 11:00 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
and this Romain Sato guy
From Euroleague
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 15, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
We still gotta try!
Dont we?
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 15, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he'd be more interested in coming to Chicago, if we were the least bit interested
We asked both Sato and his agent about the chances of him playing in the NBA next season, as his contract with Siena is ending and he’ll be a (very highly sought after) free agent this summer.
"Romain has always wanted to play in the NBA," his agent Sam Goldfeder told us. For him the issue is playing. He is not interested to come to the NBA to sit."
Sato told us something similar, via email. "Minutes and my role on a team are my main objective. I want to be on the court to contribute. Here in Europe I have a chance to play and improve my game every day. I’m looking for the same thing in the league."
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Moving-Up-the-DraftExpress-Overseas-Free-Agent-Rankings-Part-Two—3353/#ixzz0toc54bi1
http://www.draftexpress.com
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 15, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Its time to call Portland and see what it takes to get Rudy in here
Brewer is a good option, and if he can return to his 07-08 or 08-09 form, than he is probably a better player than Redick. But we still need a shooter in the back court. On the one hand, Rudy received a lot of hype coming to the NBA and may still be a guy who can deliver. On the other hand he played like absolute shit last year.
I would give up a future 1st round pick to get Rudy, since the situation at shooting guard is so dire right now. It would be a little tougher to give up Taj, since we don’t really know what Rudy’s intentions are past this year. But right now the Blazers have 4 shooting guards, 2 point guards, and 2 small forwards all expecting at least some time. I think a future 1st may be enough to grab Rudy
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 15, 2010 11:10 PM CDT reply actions
If a future first gets it done
It should be done NOW
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 15, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess,
He has got potential, height, shooting ability and athleticism, havent seen him play enough to rate his D,
any one know what hes like on defense??
There has to be more upside to this signing than Mason,.
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
I like Rudy
I would give up a future first for Rudy. He is only 25 and is a very good scorer. Can shoot the 3, but also has the ability to drive to the hoop and create. Huge upgrade over Mason and he might even start over Brewer.
Apparently we're on his "list":
FisolaNYDN
Rudy Fernandez’ list of teams isn’t four but cinco: Knicks, Nets, Bulls, Celtics and that awful team in South Florida featuring LeCon
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 15, 2010 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
the Bulls have as many assets and as much need as any team on that list
so I’m guessing Rudy is taking his talents to South Beach by this time next week
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 15, 2010 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
That would really piss me off
What could they possibly give up? Haven’t they already trade all their first round picks in those sign and trades? Otherwise what do they have? Chalmers and the rights to Joel Anthony? Puke.
They don't even have the rights to Joel Anthony
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 16, 2010 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
haha
That “taking my talents to South Beach” line is gonna get tons of use
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 15, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
i agree id love to get rudy
but knowing portland, they’ll want rose, noah, and a first rounder
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
Pritchard isn't the GM anymore
They just gave $34 million to Wesley Mathews.
by JSB on Jul 15, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Yep
I would love to get Rudy. He’s great, given our alternatives.
Now that Redick is gone, I am on the trade bandwagon
There seem like enough guys out there that we should be able to get someone that is better than Keith Bogans. I would take anyone from Mayo (probably a pipe dream) to Henry to Rudy all the way to Courtney Alexander over Bogans.
Agreed
I don’t mind Brewer, but I’d prefer a SG who shoots.
Rudy seems like the most realistic option via trade. He should be attainable without giving up too much.
I am taking us getting Brewer as a given
I think if we need more of an offensive threat as well. One thing I like about Brewer is that we go from having 3 unathletic players for their position in our starting lineup (Redick, Deng, Boozer). To having a starting lineup w/ three players that are elite athletes for their position (Rose, Brewer and Noah). I think people are underrating just how good of an athlete Brewer is. He is 6’7 with a 41’ vertical (35’ no step) and has a 6’11 wingspan. Absolutely crushes in that regard.
True
I do like Brewer’s athleticism, and I think that with Tribs’ help, he can become an elite defender.
We really do need another shooter though. Hopefully it’s Rudy or some other trade target we’re not thinking of at the moment.
Nobody is going to get a rebound on us
We will have a huge starting lineup. Every guy being an above average rebounder for their position.
Umm I still think the Heat can...
Just saying
Can you get ❼ Lebron? Can you get 1 Vikings? 2010 is the year to do it!!
by UnBannedVikingholic on Jul 16, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually the Heat are going to have a poor rebounding team
That will be one of their biggest weaknesses.
At the Big 3 positions I was referring to
If they really want that ball their gonna get it
Can you get ❼ Lebron? Can you get 1 Vikings? 2010 is the year to do it!!
by UnBannedVikingholic on Jul 16, 2010 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Really?
Gibson, Boozer and Noah are all better rebounders than Bosh. Deng is as good a rebounder as LeBron. Wade is probably better than any of our guards, but Rose isn’t terrible.
Just a thought...
Can you get ❼ Lebron? Can you get 1 Vikings? 2010 is the year to do it!!
by UnBannedVikingholic on Jul 16, 2010 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Id say Gibson, Boozer AND Noah can manage to box out Bosh and grab boards.
Plus Noah was leading the league in rebounds before his injury and Boozer was 5th in rebounds in the NBA last year, Bosh was 6th.
So in summary…..yeh
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
Wade is "probably" better than all of our guards?
Wade is def better than all of our guards. We can hope and Dream that Rose gets to Wade’s level but he has a long ways to go. Hopefully though Thibs can close some of that gap by teaching Rose some D, but there aren’t many 2’s in NBA history with Wade’s all around game/skill…..
Lebron also is abetter rebounder than Deng (but Deng’s a solid rebounder)….
Still all around game:
1. Lebron
2. Wade
a drop off
3. Rose
4. Bosh
5. Boozer
another drop off
6. Noah
7. Deng
another drop off
8. Mike Miller
9. Gibson
10. Korver
11. Ilgauskas (old these days, still freakishly tall with good midrange game well in the few minutes he actually got time last year, so who knows)
Drop off
Rest of the group, with James Johnson having some real upside but seemingly a bigger headcase than Tyrus was (without Tyrus’s all around upside potential).
If we get Brad, I’d put him a shade above Ilgauskas, but that might be unfair because Big Z didn’t play at all last year…..thougH I think that is a sign that he’s almost officially done. Brad Miller wasn’t exactly good last year either though and slipped quite a bit from his post trade self the year before.
If we got Brewer, I’d put him just below Mike Miller.
I think we take a risk and give TMAC 2 yrs $10-12M….if he works and is healthy (we can do a physical on him he could move at least to #8, and could move much higher though I think those days are over iwth now….it’s worth the risk, low risk possibly high reward.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
and as we just found out
that’s the price of doing business with restricted free agents; either overpay or don’t waste your time. or make offers to warriors RFAs because theyre too dumb/poor to match.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
Is Matt Barnes not a viable option?
"It was a perfect situation for the Brewers," Hill said. "They had a guy up there at the plate [in Counsell] who takes a lot of pride in what he does and he practices those situations, so when it does come up, he gets the bunt down to the right side of the field. They have the perfect guy on first base [in Gomez], who is one of the fastest guys in the league, and they had one of the worst fundamental teams on the field, so it was a perfect situation for them."
Celtics look to be close on signing him I think
links been posted previously.
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
Yeah, but isn't a SG/SF
He can shoot the 3, plays great D. He should be an option. Plus I heard it was either Celts or Heat. Ugh
"It was a perfect situation for the Brewers," Hill said. "They had a guy up there at the plate [in Counsell] who takes a lot of pride in what he does and he practices those situations, so when it does come up, he gets the bunt down to the right side of the field. They have the perfect guy on first base [in Gomez], who is one of the fastest guys in the league, and they had one of the worst fundamental teams on the field, so it was a perfect situation for them."
by louslovechild on Jul 15, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
not wade too!
now wade’s speaking of himself in third person too!!! the LeBron disease spreads!!!
"LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant, guys like that understand what Boston’s defense was about," Wade said. "Their defense was built on not letting one player beat them. You either settle for the outside shot or you pass to your teammates. LeBron had one bad game in the playoffs. Other than that, he did what he could do with the defense all watching him."
That is an awful use of the third person
At least LeBron wasn’t complimenting himself. What a douche.
Louslovechild thinks D Wade is a douche bag
"It was a perfect situation for the Brewers," Hill said. "They had a guy up there at the plate [in Counsell] who takes a lot of pride in what he does and he practices those situations, so when it does come up, he gets the bunt down to the right side of the field. They have the perfect guy on first base [in Gomez], who is one of the fastest guys in the league, and they had one of the worst fundamental teams on the field, so it was a perfect situation for them."
by louslovechild on Jul 15, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
i can see it now
Jordan getting ‘watched’ and just shutting down offensively and passing the ball all game long, shoulder slumped, un-interested, blaming injury.
All the best players a gunned for, double teamed, fouled hard etc, and they fight through that shit. thats why they are the best.
Wade your a cocky little bitch, LeBron you straight up chocked in the playoffs and couldn’t handle the pressue, deal with it.
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
by mrdope on Jul 15, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rashard McCants
Anyone?
"It was a perfect situation for the Brewers," Hill said. "They had a guy up there at the plate [in Counsell] who takes a lot of pride in what he does and he practices those situations, so when it does come up, he gets the bunt down to the right side of the field. They have the perfect guy on first base [in Gomez], who is one of the fastest guys in the league, and they had one of the worst fundamental teams on the field, so it was a perfect situation for them."
he's kinda weird tho....
really think one tar heel will get along with 2 dukies on the starting lineup? haha im joking but seriously i’d much rather have brewer…
KCJHoop
Bulls top targets expected to be Brewer and Bogans with Orlando match on Redick. Rudy Fernandez longshot trade possibility.
Blah, is Bogans any good
at all
Can you get ❼ Lebron? Can you get 1 Vikings? 2010 is the year to do it!!
by UnBannedVikingholic on Jul 15, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Sam Smith:
The Bulls also would be expected to look at Keith Bogans, the journeyman guard who last played for San Antonio. He’s regarded as a good defender and decent three point threat, and a favorite of new coach Tom Thibodeau for his style of play and veteran experience.
Well if the coach thinks so
than what the heck with it
Can you get ❼ Lebron? Can you get 1 Vikings? 2010 is the year to do it!!
by UnBannedVikingholic on Jul 15, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
he's also a very low basketball iq
I remember him fouling barbosa with less than a second left in 2nd q this past season…pop lit his ass up…he’s not an amazing 3 pt shooter, we need brewer…
Are you sure about that low basketball IQ?
I am willing to wager that he actually doesn’t have a low basketball IQ. Also, Redick made a really dumb play at the end of Game 2 in the Celtics series and he is still considered to have a really high basketball IQ.
fair enough...
Thats true, he wouldn’t have been on the spurs with a low bbal iq…But…he has seemed to have lost a step and isn’t as athletic which in turn results in him getting beat on defense and drawing silly fouls, thats a different story you’re right…in that play against the suns though…he was trying to draw an offensive foul against barbosa…at halfcourt with 1 second left…now that was a dumb play
and this is why Kevin Pritchard should be making all basketball related personnel decisions for the Bulls
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 15, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if Pritch gets the job in New Orleans
What he’ll do there. there’s gobs of talent.
Does he trade CP3? And enter in the Collison era. He’ll get a lot for Paul. Maybe he takes guys from the Blazers….
I could see Portland doing a Greg Oden-Andre Miller-Rudy F-1st round pick for Chris Paul.
I think that’s fair on both ends….and Pritch can wait on Oden and if healthy see what a beast he’d be.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
so it's pretty great that Derrick is the only guy on the team that can create his own shot
welcome aboard 2010 BAB Whipping Boy Keith Bogans
YaoPau's post showed Boozer to be an oddly low iso scorer last year
i just don’t like that NONE of our wings can create from time to time.
maybe our offense will be a well-oiled machine next year….it looks like it might have to be.
'In depth' facts aside
Ill rely of the simpler ones, I think
Boozer 2009
19.5 PPG
11.2 RPG ( top 5 in NBA )
72% FT%
56& FG%
He’ll be fine.
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
Scouting Report
Decent size at 6’5 and an average athlete. Career 35% 3PT shooter, but never has had a season above 38%. Not much of an offensive threat in general. Best asset is as a solid wing defender.
Scouting Report per Hollinger:
<blockquoteScouting report: A tough, clever wing who has made up for a lack of length and athleticism with hard-nosed play, Bogans brings two skills to the table: He’s a good defender and he’s a decent 3-point shooter. Beyond that, he has very little to offer — he’s hopeless off the dribble and doesn’t create for others or himself.
Defensively, Bogans effectively checks 2s because he’s strong and gives a great effort, but his short arms and modest size limit his ability to stop bigger players. He also appeared to have lost half a step last season at age 29, which would be unfortunate since he’s counting on that skill to keep him in the league>
I guess if Thibs is high on him, it must for a good reason.
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
Sounds like a big load of mediocrity
It’s Brewer or bust at this point.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 16, 2010 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey, that would be a great name for a book about the Bulls offseason:
“From Bron to Bogans: and other stories from the free agent frenzy of 2010”
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 15, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, that's depressing
Bogans is ok as a backup 2-guard, but if we are starting him, that would be a huge hole in our lineup. 20 minutes a game for Bogans would be ok.
Bulls are now picking from the bottom
Brewer is the only player that is left on the market that is good enough to start at sg…………….Roger Mason as backup
Hornets signed Aaron Gray to a two year contract
Gray becomes the Hornets’ first free agent signee
-new orleans times
good job making chris paul happy!
At this stage Id be happy with
PG: Rose — Law\Arroyo\Alston — Bouldin
SG: Fernandez – Brewer\Henry\Mason — Korver
SF: Deng — (rotations) — Sato
PF: Boozer — Gibson — Samuels
C: Noah — Asik — (Miller?)
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
Yes
Because it will also mean that the Magic will likely be forced to make a move in the next year or two to cut payroll. They won’t pay that much tax forever, especially if the Heat keep winning the division.
I think they made this move with a plan in mind
They will let Vince go at the end of the season and let Redick start at the 2. It’s defensible from that point of view.
Aye
I think you’re right.
My guess is that Carter ends up getting the MLE next year, but doesn’t play well enough to deserve it.
Agreed
Hopefully we solve our SG problem this year by either getting Rudy for a reasonable price or stealing someone else.
Since Jordan appears to be as bad of a GM as ever, maybe my idea of Stephen Jackson wasn’t so crazy after all. He gave away Chandler for nothing, so you never know.
There are a lot of options out there
Don’t forget that even if we don’t get someone this summer, that doesn’t mean we can’t get someone during the season. If the Blazers cannot find PT for Rudy, they might be more willing to deal him.
I wouldn't mind trading Rudy for a 1st rounder.
But I think I would rather do that type of trade with the Nets or Celtics if that’s possible. I just think the Bulls will be very good.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Hey question,
any idea if the Bulls are actually interested in sato?
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 16, 2010 12:03 AM CDT reply actions
Not a clue, but the Mavs are apparently all over it.
Id like to think were giving him a look. Surely a Defensive minded shooter is on our radar.
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
How Awesome would it be to have Durant and Melo on this team currently
Can you get ❼ Lebron? Can you get 1 Vikings? 2010 is the year to do it!!
by UnBannedVikingholic on Jul 16, 2010 12:08 AM CDT reply actions
huh?
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Jul 16, 2010 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for Stating the obvious
Lets just call MJ and Pippen from 20 years ago..how COOL WOULD THAT BE
by rick_ross on Jul 16, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
If you’re gonna make stuff up, at least make it stuff worth making.
by Stacey_Is_King on Jul 16, 2010 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions
What's My Beef? I'll tell you.
I’m sick of the front office of this team,all the SGs we have had through the 4 or 5 rebuilding process’s and not signing and or trading them all.
ARE YOU F!#$%&? WITH ME MAN !
Then we get “IT” ‘without kiss from the magic as if we needed more heartache this summer.
After signing Boozer, It was so easy for GARPAX (Pf check ,on to a starting sg) there where plenty of SG’s left , ok KK was a good Pickup.But is He really a starter? Not really
But to LOCK the cap Money up for a week, Amatuor hour, thats all that can be said about that, the predicament where in now No back up point guard (talk of summer league player’s is the best we could do for Rose With all that CAP. what if he gets in foul trouble ? )
No backup Center (unless Asik is on some serious Steriods He needs the year to adjust to both the NBA and the USA,it would be unfair to him not to ease him in (unless hes on those steroids JK lol)
My point is the rest of the league smelled blood in the water ,ALL KNOWING if we where to sign a starting worthy SG AND resign BRAD we would be a hell of a team to contend with,Teams quickly signed players narrowing our options daily .
Now are STARTING SG Look’s like for sure a second tier player and Brad is A BIG Maybe with this last minute Rocket Shit,
TRADE whatever you have to to get a STARTING SG and put this summer in the book’s
I can't read whatever type of coded language you're typing, unfortunately
Get one of these, read it front to back about 3 times, then start trying to type in the English language again.
What does this mean?
Now are STARTING SG Look’s like for sure a second tier player and Brad is A BIG Maybe with this last minute Rocket Shit,
I'll translate
“Now our starting shooting guard is most likely not a top notch player, and Brad Miller is a maybe with the Rockets pursuing signing him.”
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
it took you 16 minutes to come up with that WOW
http://www.amazon.com/Viva-Repartee-Comebacks-Historys-Wordsmiths/dp/0060789484
Maybe this will help you.
That would have been funny if it didn't take you 20mins.
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
you are your beefs lol
Alston is apparently on the Radar for back PG and a SL PG will be fine at #3 option.
Brewer or Fenandez will be good at starting SG, we dont need a high scoring impact SG as we have Rose, Boozer and Deng as 1,2,3, scoring option.
We just need a SG thats an athletic, capable defender and\or shooter.
I think were still in the mix to fill these roles.
chill people, every grey box doesn’t spell doom for the Bulls.
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
I know the needs of the team dude My BEEF was the lack of GRAVITAS out if the front office's
Flip as backup would even work for me Brewer Maybe will have a rebirth and Morris Almond on the roster but i just want the best available Player my friend and we didn’t get close
I do hope theres a plan b as far as a backup CENTER go’s if brad bail’s
For some reason, this post has me really craving an italian beef right now
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 16, 2010 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, please tell us
we all what to know what your beef is, Al’s Beef. (I get the strange idea that you made your account just so you could make that title at the top of your post…nice alluding to yourself)
by Stacey_Is_King on Jul 16, 2010 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions
stacey king sucked as a bull ,I remember the first victory Parade in grant park after beating L.a. The fans bood him cause his poor work ethic if stacey king is not on the bulls then you wouldnt remember his name
Allude that to yourself Dude
What kind of statement is that?
How many role players do you know from other teams from 20 years back? Of course he wouldn’t know who Stacey King is, if he didn’t play for the Bulls and then announce for them. And the love is for his announcing, not his play.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 16, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Summary: Are we all on the same page that best obtainable* options for..
SG:
Fernandez
Brewer
Barnes
Pietrus
Romain Sato
Backup PG:
Alston
Arroyo
Bouldin
Rush
J. Williams
*by obtainable, I mean not Kobe at SG or S&T for Melo etc,in other words ‘realistic \ likely’
feel free to add below, to summarize thread so far,.
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
I still gotta think Rip Hamilton worth a go at.
I know a lot of your aren’t a fan, but he can still play.
though hes not much of a 3pt shooter.
But his experience and skill sets have to be worth something , he can contribute scoring wise and can defend taller SG ( hes not a great defender but hes good IMO )
Im just keeping his name in the mix. I dont think he would be the disaster some people make it out to be.
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
I think that we should really give Rashad McCants a look
He is a really solid player that can score and shoot efficiently when he actually gets playtime
Bring Back Gerald Green
6’8 , 24 , will dunk on somebody, will be happy with even less money than asik got. go for it. And bring back mccants too le’ts remake the cake!
why is it we dont have any sg
while GS continues to find shooters in the dleague every year.
They have that crazy Don Nelson offence
All they do is look for young guys that can jump and shoot, dont forget….they suck.
:)
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
azu, reggie williams, morrow
are not starter quality but solid nba players and can really shoot. Chicago have zero shooters from roster #1 upto #15 until korver signed. their best 3pt shooter last season maybe were kirk, brad miller, kurz, flip.
These guys really need to try hard to make a trade
Xavier Henry
Rudy Fernandez
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
I'd rather have Ben Gordon.
Or something.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 16, 2010 7:12 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This is from 6/29
“I think there’s a very realistic chance I could be back again with one of the Florida teams,‘’ Dooling told FanHouse by phone Tuesday. "Stan (Van Gundy) taught me more about basketball than anyone else in my career. It would be a smooth and easy transition to go back and play for him (in Orlando) again.’’
Aw man, I guess he’s going to Miami then…
Stan's in Orlando.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I really think Penny Hardway and Kendal Gil are the only options left
(and yes they both said they are trying to make a comeback)
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
If it means the return of the Lil Penny puppet
Then I am all for it.
`Stop the car! That was Tyra Banks, foo!`
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 16, 2010 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Alright, well...
I can’t say it could be worse, because players on their last leg when they retire cannot come back.
I’d rather have a 45-year-old Pippen. At least that’s amusing.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Sam lays out the possibilities well here
http://blogs.bulls.com/2010/07/magic-reportedly-will-match-on-redick-bulls-to-drawing-board/
No mention of Sato, but several options outside Brewer, Bogans, Fernandez.
He’s still on that Monta Ellis kick, which I cannot understand.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 7:59 AM CDT reply actions
I could live with Rudy and Ronnie, but I'd really, really love to try to aim as high as possible.
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
Really?
I’d rather have Iguodala, too, but barring that, Rudy and Brewer is about as good as it gets. Hell, I’d consider JUST Fernandez a damned good signing.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
It seems like Matt is really dissapointed that we won't have an elite SG as well
And I felt that way, too.
But the more I think about it, if we have a superstar SG, he’d have to fit. We have three guys on this team that already command 13-17 shots each game. Noah will get 8-10, but 3-4 will be tip-ins.
And then you have Korver and Gibson off the bench. Don’t take this the wrong way, but the Bulls don’t have enough balls for a primetime shooting guard. At least, not if we want to play the kind of ball that has Rose commandeer the offense. We need a guy that is willing to put up 10 shots, play backup PG on occasion, and hit the 3. He also needs to be a team player.
Rudy, as we all have seen, seems to fit that description, but he’s gotten moody lately. I am surprised more European guys don’t get homesick, and he’s one that kind of seems like he is on his own out here. Chicago is a great big welcoming city, though, and I think he has a better chance to be happy in the midwest. Especially with such a humble, smart kid in Rose as his running mate and a passionate Center like Noah. Deng is a good guy, too, and Boozer is one of the most calm and collected players I have ever seen in a press conference. Thibs is a good personality that, if he wants Rudy here, it’s cause he has a role for him.
I really think Rudy, when in a comfortable setting with a purpose on the court, will strive closer to what Portland expected of him, a borderline all-star. I don’t think he will even be voted in or picked, but I think if things fall into place he will be a guy that gets consideration.
If we get Rudy, me prediction for 2010-2011 is:
33 mpg
14 ppg
4 apg
3 rpg
47% FGs
39% 3FGs
17.5 Per
61% TS%
I don’t think I am being that lofty, either.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually, scrap that TS% for a lower one
Like 59%… he was 58.8% as a rookie. It is extremely rare to get much over 59-60. Nash is awesome at it, but not may others are.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Right, that's why I went lower... what's your point?
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Haha, OK
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Sam Young dominated for the Grizzlies last night
Granted, it’s Summer League, but just maybe they’d be willing to trade Mayo or Henry for picks and a guy like Taj.
Ronnie/Rudy & Brad
Sign Ronnie
Trade JJ & a 1st for Rudy
Sign Brad
what $$ would be left? then a backup PG as long as Pargo is out of here (Milwaukee perferrable) (Law??)
PG: D. Rose – Law
SG: Rudy – Brewer
SF: Deng – Korver
PF: Boozer – Taj
C: Noah – Miller – Asik
I think we'd all be fine with this except
Brewer and Portland. I think Brewer wants to start and Portland is going to command top assets for Rudy. They could have gotten better for him at the draft, and now teams, especially us, are even more desperate.
Portland is sneaky—they ALWAYS end up with the best player in every deal. If they don’t we are going to have to pay dearly in some other way. I see New York getting him, because even though they have Wilson Chandler at SG, they are always the most desperate team in every trade.
I almost feel bad for the Knicks these days. 10 years of futility and counting. No more rivalry there.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I can't see them getting Fernandez and Brewer.
If they get Brewer, then trade for Fernandez, Rudy, will be just as sour as he is now. If they trade for Fernandez, I don’t see any way Brewer then signs with them.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
They didn't give him a qualifying offer
So we have as much right to sign him now as they do (he’s unrestricted).
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions
what?
Xavier Henry? No “we” don’t.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Yeah, the Grizz own his rights for 3 years
or until they trade or renounce him (don’t think they can renounce him, though).
Thought he was talking about Brewer
My mistake. There were context clues to figure that out that I had made that mistake, though. You don’t extend qualifying offers to first-year rookies.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
OK, I should stop posting while at work, I replied to the wrong post
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 16, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Answers here
For all other players, the team retains the player’s draft rights until the date of the next draft.
He becomes a UFA at next year’s draft, assuming he doesn’t play anywhere else over the next year.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q43
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
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