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In a perfect world there would be a young SG who is about 6'4 - 6'7, who can shoot from distance, create his own shot and for others, be able to take some ball-handling responsibilities off D.Rose, is a willing defender with the athletic ability to be above average, and isn't afraid of anything, just waiting for us to scoop him up.  But this isn't a perfect world.

Redick would be a good signing, if Orlando doesn't match and that's a big if.  But we'll still need someone capable of d'ing up an athletic SG, either way. 

I've seen guys throw out names on who we should get at the SG, I've also seen some complaints about the org. not being "creative" enough to get the player we need.  So basically my questions are:

Who's ur guy? Why? How do u get him?

Star-divide

My target is OJ Mayo.

I just think that he is a perfect complement to D.Rose moving forward.  He's only about 6'4, but plays bigger.  He has an dribble drive game, mid-range game, and long distance game.  And he can be an excellent defender given the right tutelage (hint hint Thibs).  Found these quotes in a write up on DraftExpress, the article is from a couple months into his rookie year. Still I figure he can only get better, with the right coaching.  And Thibs is supposed to be a great development guy.   Link to full article.

We all know his offense is legit, (well if u are an informed basketball fan u do) and the article backs that up, but I found the comments about his defense and intangibles, the best part of the write up. 

Mayo’s commitment and excellence on the defensive end has been very impressive for any player, let alone a rookie. It’s rare to see him out of a stance as he stays low and pressures whoever is in his way. He never gives up on a play – always contesting shots even when beat or late to close out. He takes players out of their comfort zones, by bodying up to them, being physical and taking away their strengths. When bigger guards try to post him, he’ll make them pay by pushing them away from the basket, nullifying their height advantage. He does all of this without fouling, (2.2 fouls a game) which shows his understanding of how to play on this side of the court. That ease that he plays with on offense is transformed to aggression and feistiness on the defensive end.

Without a doubt, O.J. Mayo is a fierce competitor. In games where the Grizzlies have been blown out, Mayo can be seen going all out as if it’s overtime, until the last horn. This competitiveness will serve Mayo well and ensure his team success down the road. In addition to that, the maturity and poise with which he plays the game are those of a ten year veteran, not a twenty one year old rookie. He rarely argues with the refs, never displays any negative body language-- which is important on a young team--and is noticeably excited for his teammates’ success.

Sounds like the type of guy I want next to D.Rose and Noah growing along each other and the perfect answer to D.Wade.  Add this to the mix, and I can't see it being too hard of a fit.  Plus a lil this, for good measure.

Now u know why I want him, this is how I propose we get him.

Memphis has pretty much said who their star player is going to be, signing Rudy Gay to the max.  With Baby Gasol and Zach Randolph having contracts that are up soon, and having acquired 3 guys that play his position over the offseason.  I think they can be persuaded into letting him go.  They r in need of a big man, something we don't have at this point, at least not one that I would send or they would probably take.  But one thing any low budget team, which Memphis certainly is, would be happy to have some cap space/expiring contracts. 

Depending on if Orlando matches we'll have $9-15 mil of room under the cap.  I say we help out that Dallas-Minnesota trade that's sending Jefferson to Dallas.  The hold up is Dallas wants to send Matt Carroll and DeShawn Stevenson along with Dampier's lovely contract. Dallas-Minnesota trade

I'll be optimistic and say Orlando doesn't match, leaves us 9 mil and some change. And since Utah seems to be targeting Jefferson as well, seems Dallas better move quickly.  This is the trade:

Bulls get -- OJ Mayo and Matt Carroll

Mavs get -- Al Jefferson

TWolves get -- Erick Dampier, a Dallas future 1st and our future 1st

Grizz get -- DeShawn Stevenson, Wayne Ellington, Ryan Hollins, and our future 1st

That gives Dallas and Minnesota what they want.  Gives us a potential star at SG to grow with DRose and Noah, and Carroll can serve as our backup to Redick/Korver as a 3 pt specialist on the inactive list.  Memphis gets all expiring contracts, with a vet who can start and provide some D in Stevenson, a young SG to take the place of Mayo and compete with Henry/Vasquez in Ellington, and a servicable young C to back up Baby Gasol with Hollins. 

We eat up the rest of our cap space, so u have to sign a big man and back up point on vet minimum salaries, but I don't see that being hard.  We could end up looking something like this: (vet minimum options, in order of preference)

PG D.Rose / (Shaun Livingston, Earl Watson, Keyon Dooling, Acie Law)

SG Mayo / Redick / Carroll **Inactive**

SF Deng / Korver / Johnson

PF Boozer / Gibson

C Noah / Asik / (Brad Miller, Ian Mahinmi, Kwame Brown, Mark Blount)

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So we get the best player, and give up nothing but a couple picks?

Doubtful. Very doubtful. I like Mayo, and agree he would be a perfect fit, but there’s no way in hell we’re getting him for that.

Superteams suck.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 13, 2010 7:22 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

We think he's the best player

But Memphis obviously doesn’t, if they did they would be building the team around him and not Rudy Gay. You don’t go out and get 3 guys who play the same spot as your “best player”.
Memphis just did the equivalent of us drafting Eric Bledsoe and Avery Bradley, then signing Steve Blake. This is on top of the fact that they already had Sam Young.

Plus the best player in the entire deal is Al Jefferson. We’re just gettin a great fit.
And u say it can’t happen, that’s cool u disagree. But the whole point is to give one that will. Anybody can disagree, but can u come up with a better option?

by Ceasaleo on Jul 13, 2010 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

man you would have to make a deal with the devil before you pass that deal in your post

even if they don’t like OJ as much as we think they do, he still too much talent at rookie price

by JustAnotherFan on Jul 13, 2010 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

They had to pay Gay

Because his contract came up, that doesn’t mean they don’t think Mayo is a core piece. They had a talented player and they kept him.

Not to mention, even if they don’t think Mayo is their future, they still recognize his value. It’d cost more than that.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 13, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not only that

Khan said one of the reasons they want to trade Jefferson is Draft Picks. I’ll bet he’d prefer the Utah deal to this one.

by 72-10 on Jul 13, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kahn's in Minnesota

We’re talkin memphis here. haha
Don’t worry…i sometimes get them mixed up too

by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 16, 2010 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, pretty much

Great trade for us, not totally unrealistic.

by RM on Jul 13, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Orlando matches...

We still have about $7 mil to go out and sign whoever we want at backup big man, and PG. Plus have something left for another SG like Ronnie Brewer or Roger Mason

by Ceasaleo on Jul 13, 2010 7:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Highly doubt this is remotely possible

Even if Memphis no longer wants Mayo, they can definitely get a much better haul from somebody else.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Jul 13, 2010 7:35 AM CDT reply actions  

And it's not like they haven't made bad deals b4

We just couldn’t get in on the Pau Gasol deal for whatever reason. I’d be willing to send over JJ and some more picks.

by Ceasaleo on Jul 13, 2010 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

My guess - Orlando matches and no Mayo

We have no chance to get Mayo. Jefferson is going to the Jazz who have a significant trade exemption.

by chgobr on Jul 13, 2010 8:10 AM CDT reply actions  

How about dang and our first 2 round picks

We can start j,j and sig a shooter maybe or use 1 of the guys were getting in korver or reddick.Mayo is way better than dang thus inprovingo ut team.

by tazz34 on Jul 13, 2010 8:15 AM CDT reply actions  

Why would Grizz do that?

They have no use for Deng as he plays the same positiona as they guy they just gave $80 million to.

by JSB on Jul 13, 2010 9:36 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

heres another thought how about manta ellis..?

I hear hes tradable and would be a good fit for the bulls.

by tazz34 on Jul 13, 2010 8:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh good

Here I was reading your first comment and thinking there weren’t enough spelling errors on the screen.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Jul 13, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I also think they won't give Mayo away

they probably see their future PG in him, that’s why he’s playing the summer league, to see if he can handle it.

a player that fits my criteria is J.R. Smith, but i doubt that Denver parts with him, especially with his ending contract. but he could provide a nice scoring punch off the bench.
another player i would love to see here is Rip Hamilton, but definately NOT with his current contract.

so little options, dammit…

by Dubbel on Jul 13, 2010 8:34 AM CDT reply actions  

i'd love Mayo

but i just don’t see what we could do to get him right now. simply put, we don’t have the trade chips. if there was a 3 team deal we could get in on that would send a PG back to Memphis, then maybe we’d be onto something.
there were rumors last year of a Monta Ellis for Mayo swap. that’s the kind of player they’re going to want. even if they have a surplus at SG now, they aren’t just going to give Mayo away. they know he’s good. they’ll likely want a good PG and a PF off the bench.
i highly doubt we can get him this offseason, but towards the trade deadline it might become more realistic. Mayo and Rose would be a terrific backcourt though. he’s one of the few semi-realistic guys out there that i think would make us competitive with Miami.

by M 80 on Jul 13, 2010 9:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Mayo would also be great (in a non-basketball sense)

because he and Rose are like bfffffffs

him, tyreke, and mayo go wayyyyy back to the AAU days. i think they’ve known each other since middle school i want to say.

but yeah, it’s a pipe dream.

we really need to just pray that luol has a “breakout” year a la 2006-2007, and then shop him hard around the deadline, along with taj and one of the shooters, for one of these mythical 2s that we want so badly.

"4 inches, baby!" --ripped off from Kush

by anorexorcist on Jul 13, 2010 10:01 AM CDT reply actions  

this trade works on the ESPN trade machine.......

three team trade involving chicago, portland, and memphis….

chicago gets: o.j. mayo , jayrod bayless

portland gets: deng

and memphis gets: pryzbilla

chicago can sweeten the deal with memphis by adding a pick.
this deal could benefit each team, although the bulls would need to fill the SF position.
it’s not perfect,,,,,,but it would be a start.

by IcemanBT on Jul 13, 2010 10:12 AM CDT reply actions  

memphis gets robbed

they say no thanks

"4 inches, baby!" --ripped off from Kush

by anorexorcist on Jul 13, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Raja Bell?

He’s a defensive stopper at SG with the gumption to stand up to/annoy Kobe, plus he’s not terrible at offense. He’d probably fit well with Thibodeau’s scheme, and increase the defensive intensity.

At minimum, he’d be a change-of-pace guy off the bench compared to a shooter like Redick….any thoughts?

by Chadnudj on Jul 13, 2010 3:25 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd like it

A defensive minded 2 is a must

In the 8th grade Mike Ditka won his school's Science Fair with a model of a working volcano. There were 17 other working volcano's made that day, but only one named Mount Ditka.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jul 14, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

James Harden would also be good

Even though he only averaged 9.9 PPG in 22 mins last year. Harden’s 3pt shooting was almost equal to OJ Mayo’s (37.5% vs 38.4%). Harden is also a little bit taller (6’5" vs 6’4"). Harden also should get to the line more frequently than Mayo (3.2 FTA in 22 mins for Harden vs 3.2 FTA in 38 mins for Mayo).

With all that said, the Bulls dont have a chance of getting either players.

by VaderMaul on Jul 13, 2010 7:55 PM CDT reply actions  

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