7/1/2010 - Early afternoon roundup
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2010 1:15 PM CDT
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PrintCheck with SBNation.com for the confirmed signings:
- Drew Gooden - Bucks (5yrs/$32m)
- Darko Milicic - TWolves (4/20)
- John Salmons - Bucks (5/39)
Not sure that Joe Johnson 6-year max deal is fully confirmed yet.
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Let's hope that the next thread is a
“Bosh acquired by Bulls” thread!
by kozzer on Jul 1, 2010 1:18 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
From *cringe* Sam Smith:
(He predicts Bosh to Chicago and this is in the paragraph after the prediction)
Chicago would fit him perfectly as there’s a center so he doesn’t have to play there and worry about defense and a point guard who doesn’t really want to be the leading scorer and he can be the leading scorer without having to carry the load, seemingly ideal for him. I’ve heard he’s been in touch regularly with Rose and has told Rose of his interest previously. In the end, my guess is the Raptors take Taj Gibson, three No. 1s and the maximum $3 million. That’s also a huge trade exception for them and they can do some maneuvering on their own.
this still wouldn't give us enough space for Lebron, too, no?
ie only Bosh and no bron
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
you're ignoring me.
Even with the sign & trade, that’s not enough room for Lebron.
If we traded Taj & JJ, I don’t think that would be enough.
Lebron: 16.5 million, no?
Bosh: 16.5 million, no?
our cap space: 30 mill, no?
Taj = 1 mill, JJ = 1.5 mill
total capspace gained = 2.5 mill
30 million + 2.5 mill = 32.5 mill, 16.5 × 2 = 33 million.
maybe I’m wrong. this is just what I’ve been led to believe.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
maybe they sign LeBron first...
then finalize the trade second. It works then according to cap rules.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
by tandur on Jul 1, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Since nothing official can happen til the 8th
I’m sure they can order the signings in such a manner.
I don't care what gets "agreed" upon.
I won’t be able to relax until the 8th. I still don’t believe getting rid of Hinrich’s contract was easy.
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
This is what would happen..
As Kozzer says, they are agreeing before the 8th, so it’s irrelevant. They just finish the straight up signing, than push the trade through after.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
He will only meet with LeBron on saturday
Stage one: Fire Vinny (check)
Stage two: Hire a good coach (check)
Stage three: Draft a SG who shoots 3 (failed)
Stage four: Sign a top 3 FA
Stage five: Trade Deng, Hinrich, whoever not named Rose or Noah to get another top FA (partially check)
I know this has been explained ad nauseum, but one more time, please?
If the Bulls pull off a sign and trade for Bosh, how can they nab LeBron and fill out the roster?
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
you can go over the cap in a trade
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
Speaking of the salary cap
have they released next year’s number yet? I thought that it was supposed to coincide with the start of FA.
Yeah, that was the projection, but wayyyy down the page
some are saying that $56.1 is going to be really close to the actual cap.
Because if it's a sign and trade
That means we have more cap room.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
oh I'm sorry for saying otherwise
I didn’t realize a S/T gave us extra capspace. I believe you, really… but why does the NBA do it that way? err. (head explodes)
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
I think they do it that way since the team getting the FA ...
… isn’t allowed to sign that player to the kind of deal he’d get from his previous team.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
So, we can use our trade exception(s) in a Bosh S&T?
If we only have to give up Taj and 3 #1s + cash…whooohooo!
It's the same as trading a player away to a team without cap space for nothing.
Like the Bulls did with Hinrich and Washington. Accept, instead of getting a second-round pick back, the Bulls get Gilbert Arenas. basically.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I assumed it was to give teams a little waggle room
Otherwise you’d have situations were you wanted to trade a player making 10 million for one making 10.5 million and not be allowed to.
Three #1 picks?
Do they really have the leverage to remove the Bulls from the draft for the next three seasons?
...is there a rule against that?
I’d give them 3 first rounders over a 6 year period to get a core of Rose / Noah / Lebron / Bosh signed up.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
we also have Charlotte's 2012 lottery protected 1st rounder
So we could offer our 2011, Charlotte’s 2012 and our 2013, no?
That could be done
the rules state that a team cannot trade their #1 for 2 consecutive years. That’s why you sometimes see teams trading #1 picks like 5 years out, because that’s the next available one.
and, no offense to Charlotte, by Charlotte's actually has a bit more value.
but, er, isn’t this all based on a Sam Smith report anyway?
….sigh
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
they can have every other 30th pick for all i care
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
2010-2019
1st rd pick
2011
2013
2015
2017
2019
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
it could be worse
we could be knicks, in which case…there goes their only plan
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Haha true...
They’re already developing their pitch for Melo. Man, the Knicks are gonna suck for another five years.
by Scottie's Nose on Jul 1, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
why?
one player, relax.
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
Dude
JJ would have been a great fit if we couldn’t get both Bosh and LBJ. i’m just saying, our backup plan is now worse
by Scottie's Nose on Jul 1, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
got it fair enough
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
? If paying Joe Johnson the max
Was our back up plan, we should be happy it fell through. I much prefer the David Lee back up plan and filling the rest of the roster with what’s left of the cap space.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
No, it's disapponting that Atl offered him the max
by Scottie's Nose on Jul 1, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Well you were going to be disappointed if you didn't want to pay him a ton
The Knicks were still there too, and considering what John Salmons just got, you can be sure that even if ATL wasn’t interested, JJ was getting paid more than he’s worth.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
If we were to overpay him and do some sort of sign and trade
I would have been fine with that, as long as we still had LeBron. I don’t know, its just another door closed.
by Scottie's Nose on Jul 1, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Just to carry on about the "alleged" Bosh to Bulls BR report...
specifically, Houston having decent S&T options. The key is that Bosh has to WANT to go there, and I’ve heard Bosh say on atleast two occassions that’s he’s not entirely comfortable playing in Texas.
To make it simple, I think we could extrapolate that Bosh is the opposite of LeBron in enjoying playing for his homestate, being the “local hero”.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
I posted the bleacherreport nonsense yesterday to shoot it down and post it at the same time.
Thought I’d save people trouble today, but I’ve failed.
7/10?
shouldn’t everything be over by now? ;)
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Jul 1, 2010 1:23 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
ESPN's Stein
Union advises NBA agents to consider budgeting potential 2011 lockout into new contracts.
ESPN.com link: http://es.pn/9wYXLu
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
interesting
doesn’t seem to imply what was my first thought: that some players might ask for a more frontloaded contract (think Paul Millsap)
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
I wonder if everyone will still be making fun of the Bucks
if we get no one and they are a 50 win team next year
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 1, 2010 1:35 PM CDT reply actions
Well we won't get no one, so it's a non issue
The Bulls with David Lee and a random SG are probably better than the current Bucks team.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
i disagree with that
but whatever lets you sleep at night
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 1, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Assuming the SG is at least average
Rose, average SG, Deng, Lee, Noah; I’d feel pretty comfortable. Do you really lose any sleep over a team with Drew Gooden or John Salmons? I mean really.. it’s not like they added a player better than what the Bulls have. I’ll take Deng over Salmons and Lee over Gooden.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
but they were alreadly better than us
Rose>Jennings
X<Salmons
DengIllyasova
Noah<Bogut
plus they have redd, gooden and ridnour
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 1, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah they had Salmons already that's the point.
We had a lot of injuries ourselves, Bogut wasn’t the only guy, and they were barely ahead of us.
And we’re adding an all star in my scenario. Drew Gooden is anything but an All Star. If we were separated previously by two or three games, and we add David Lee and a Sg, and they add Drew Gooden, what’s the concern there?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
You're forgetting one key comparison
Last year: Skiles >>> VDN
This year: Skiles ??? Thibodeau
Brad Miller is god.
but then...
…they also added some real beef up front. For whatever that is worth.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
They were better record-wise last year, and it didn't stop us at all.
I actually like the Bucks – or at least Skiles and a couple of players. Love to beat them straight-up, but I wouldn’t mind them doing well at all.
Apparently Charlie Frye has
a $25 million contract offer from the Suns, but is waiting to see how things unfold for the Bulls and Knicks.
As a backup QB?
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
BAH
CHANNING Frye! My bad! http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67690/20100701/frye_sitting_on_$25m_offer_from_suns_while_waiting_for_bulls_knicks/
No sweat! Just having a laugh.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
The title of the post is a little misleading...
it just says that Orlando is a legitimate contender in addition to the usual suspects.
Rumor... speculation
I’ve forgotten what the difference is these past few weeks. But your point is taken – though I didn’t mean to overstate anything.
In fairness to you...
the title of the article was misleading too.
by SouthernCub on Jul 1, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
awesome
That would excite me.
I want Orlando to succeed. And I don’t want the Bulls to have Boozer.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Won't that make it harder to get to the finals?
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, only if the Bulls don't get Bosh or James.
In which case, I would like it to be Orlando. If the Bulls get one of those two, they’ll be well-matched. Harder, yes. Not impossible and a lot more fun.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
oh
if you didn’t know (someone posted a fake Chris Bosh tweet earlier), this is Chris Bosh’s official twitter account.
Don’t expect anything crazy like “This Gor guy looks like a muppet.” lol! But an official announcement more than likely to appear there when it finally does happen.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
Please don't let Gar talk, please don't let Gar talk, please don't let Gar talk
This is what goes through Bin Bin’s head all day.
i dont mind if gar talks
but i hope the light on his side of the room goes out, he can be one of those cool looking guys veiled in shadow, smoking a cigar while talking….from the shadows he can be like “bosh…the first time i was offered a job in chicago, i also declined, i wanted to see what else was out there…this is what happened to me for that…” then slowly steps into the light….bosh screams like a little girl….agrees to sign asap
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Pritchard?
From Chad Ford chat…
The Blazers got close to a deal with the Hornets last week that would’ve sent Andre Miller, Joel Przybilla, Nicolas Batum, Jerryd Bayless and the 22nd pick to NO for Paul before Jeff Bower pulled out of the deal saying that their owner wasn’t ready to trade Paul.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
wow
had they done that, the blazers would be THE team in the west me thinks…Paul, Rudy, Roy, Aldridge, Healthy-ish Oden…theres so much damage that paul can do with that team, shooters everywhere, a legit second and third option in Roy and Aldridge, and hes played with worse centers than oden…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
that deal really sucks for NO.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
any deal trading away Chris Paul would suck.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I guess that the people
Who said that the Deng contract wasn’t that bad of a contract were wrong. Because overpaying that guy may very well cost us a chance at both Lebron and Bosh. NOBODY wants to take on that contract. SMH
Obviously, I don't know (but neither do you)...
…but my guess isn’t that no one wants it because I think there are plenty that would.
It’s two-fold:
A) The teams with enough cap space don’t want him because they think they have a chance at Bosh or James or Wade, same reason the Bulls would want to get them. Those WITH cap space would have to trade back salary and the Bulls obviously don’t want to do that.
or
B) The Bulls don’t want to trade Deng for peanuts because they can clearly get one MAX guy and another near-max guy right now. Wade, James and Bosh are the only guys worth paying the max to. Until they know they can get one or two of them, there isn’t reason reason to shop Deng.
For instance, if the Bulls do indeed get James and Bosh, and Gay is staying in Memphis and Johnson is staying in ATL and Wade is staying in Miami with Amare Stoudemire or Boozer joining him, all of a sudden there is a market for two teams in New York and one in LA that would almost gladly take Deng for nothing.
If Deng were available in this current market, getting him for four years, $51 million is a pretty fair-market deal.
You are wrong.
Probably.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
But would NY/NJ/LA take Deng knowing it would help the Bulls get Lebron/Bosh?
Or would they refuse to take on Deng, knowing that the Bulls would then be unable to get Lebron + Bosh, hoping that one (or both of them) would then sign elsewhere?
Brad Miller is god.
Well that's just cutting off the nose to spite the face
If Luol is the best guy available, which he pretty much now is, they have to worry about their own situation first.
Maybe they get to the playoffs and LeBron and Bosh run into each other and break their legs, or maybe LeBron and Rose end up not working well together. They have to get their team the best chance. If we don’t get Bosh, we probably still get a very solid PF, if we get LeBron. Is the difference between Bosh and Lee going to the Bulls w/ LBJ, worth it to them to just pass up on a good deal for a SF?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Is it worth it to them to let the Bulls have James – Deng – Lee and they get Boozer or whatever instead of giving the Bulls James – Bosh and they get Deng?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'm not saying the Knicks would pass up taking Deng just because the Bulls would be super-awesome
I’m saying they would pass up Deng holding out hope that they themselves might still wind up with Bosh. Not saying they’d be justified in doing that, but it’s something to think about.
Brad Miller is god.
Actually ...
Earlier in chat, one of the ESPN guys said that the Deng deal was toxic because he was so overpaid that no one wanted him.
I’m really surprised by that, because I think Deng is only maybe 20-25% overpaid, but it’s what he said.
by RM on Jul 1, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
correct- Player's train at Grover's Gym (whatever its called now) during this month
so its a meeting place for a lot of action.
Question
Do you guys think the fact that the Bulls will have several National games on WGN every year will help the Bulls lure Lebron? He’d basically be on National games every night of the year.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
Yeah I just heard Lawrence Frank talk about that
Talk about an underrated factor.
Bulls are partial owners of CSN, correct?
Which would mean they could probably give games back to WGN, no?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
That would interesting
You can get WGN America in more markets than you think.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
Not all WGN games are on the "Superstation", though
I get both the local and national versions, and I’ve seen where they show a crappy 80’s movie while the local version has the Bulls game.
No doubt
It might be only 6 games on WGN America. However, who knows what that contract actually says because if it is Bulls v anyone or One Tree Hill reruns it might not be much of a contest.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
over Bulls riverdance 4th quarters?
Nonsense!
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
Doubtful...
I’d guess that whatever team James plays for will get a ton of nationally televised games via ESPN, NBC, TNT, and whatever other networks air NBA games.
Isn't there a limit to how many times you play on each channel?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know of any such limit...
They certainly don’t appear to have such a limit for baseball (see Yankees, Red Sox).
Not saying that this is the case for sure.
But regardless, there are still 3 or 4 networks that broadcast games nationally. So I am guessing the effectively limit (if there is indeed a limit) is still higher than the number of games actually broadcast on WGN.
Schedule is set by the NBA in conjunction with the networks before each season.
I don’t think there are any other rules besides what might be in the NBA’s contract with the networks.
No there's a difference
They get the national games you spoke of plus the WGN games. If you doubt the importance of that, ask the Cubs and the popularity they gained from being on nationally.
I don't think that there would be that many more games on WGN...
if he’s on 30 times a year on other networks, the impact of an additional 10 games on WGN isn’t that big.
And we’re still talking about LeBron here. He’s already really popular nationally.
Yeah.
But Lebron is gonna on national TV no matter what, so even if he goes to the California Penal League, he will still get air time. Seriously though, I haven’t been on here all day like some of the other or I guess a lot of the diehards, which is cool, but i don’t know how you guys do it! I am stressed out just by checking in once in a while, lol.
i'm not sure that'll make much difference
If Lebron and another max FA end up on the same team, they’ll get national coverage like crazy from every station that can get their hands on games rights
Not all WGN game are broadcasted nationally
The Bulls lost a dispute with the league during the first 3-peat years. Since WGN was being carried as part of the basic cable package in x % of homes across the country, the league contended that it was equivalent to a major network channel and in direct competition with the league national TV deal. The only games shown nationally are the WGN America games.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
I bet Sam Smith is wipping his tears
with his Joe Johnson custom jersey
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
Probably putting a call into James Johns first
See if he’ll change his number for him.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Rudy Gay
Gay is off the market … from Marc Stein in the ESPN Chat: Sources say Gay is cancelling meetings with interested suitors, such as Minnesota, on verge of verbal agreement for a 5-year, $80 mil deal with Grizzlies
by RM on Jul 1, 2010 1:51 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
So he's found the place where he can become one of the best?
And it’s the same place he’s been…
If true, Lu’s contract is starting to look better!
Wow
That’s massive money for a guy who hasn’t been that good. Wow. David Lee might cost more than we thought.
David Lee's max is around 14 million, IIRC. He's going to be the biggest bargain outside of LeBron.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
$14 to start I assume
Meaning a 5 year, $80 mil contract I’d guess
I'd take David Lee on that deal... way before I paid Rudy Gay that.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
5 years 80 million for David Lee is worth it compared to 5 years 100 million for Joe Johnson or Carlos Boozer.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
that's not a smart move by Gay
He would get more from someone who ends up empty handed in free agency
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 1, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he can get more.
His max is less than the other guys. He’s taking the biggest contract he can get.
Shoutz
to Larry Legend.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
Most players don't
The top players just get to pick both
Heisley still solvent.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
Marc Stein
ESPN.com sources: Gay on verge of verbal agreement on five-year $80 million deal to stay with Memphis Grizzlies. Link forthcoming
The Knicks are going to get nothing!
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2010 1:52 PM CDT reply actions
Goodness. That's an awful deal. People bitched about Deng at 6 years 70 million... this is an atrocious deal.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Scoreboard
Agents 4
Owners 0
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 12 recs
Yep, one less bad deal for the Bulls to make
Not that they were interested
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Still bad
It narrows the margin JR can operate in. Market getting set. JR needs the whole bag of tricks to sign two. He’s going to have to pay the tax.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
He’s going to have to pay the tax.
Of course he was eventually. He won’t have to this year, nor do I think he can.
so no Gay Love in Minnesota?
disappointing. Wanted to use that pun for a year or two atleast.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
by tandur on Jul 1, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
They would have had GAY - LOVE - SESSIONS
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
Star Trib headline
Gay, Love, Sessions tackle Johnson as he arrives at Target Center.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
That would be written by copy editor about to retire.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
"Nutt to replace Johnson with Dick to take on Cocks"
Went to an Arkansas football game with my uncle a few years back. Great headline about the coach changing starting QBs.
“Nutt to replace Johnson with Dick to take on Cocks”
by djsmokyc on Jul 1, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
Or if they went to a shootaround
Johnson strokes balls with Gay, Love, Sessions. This doesn’t get old.
by preverbal on Jul 1, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pamela Martha Focker
the thigh bone is not connected to the free throw bone.- Shaquille O'Neal
by BULLieving in Miami on Jul 1, 2010 5:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
woj has more details
WojYahooNBA
Rudy Gay has agreed to a five-year, $81.6 million deal with Memphis, including a player option on fifth, his reps at Octagon confirmed to Y!
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 1, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone want to take bets now on chances of Gay opting out of that 5th year?
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Bosh meeting the Bulls in 9 minutes.
is it weird that I hope he tweets after?
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
by dantheman3k on Jul 1, 2010 1:52 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Is it weird that I hope he falls off the face of the twitter universe?
by wjb1492 on Jul 1, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, that's the only reason to follow him
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
no
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Luol Deng looking a lot better after Gay signs that deal.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 1:56 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
In retrospect, shouldn't have traded Hinrich...
by YaoPau on Jul 1, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
can still call it off
although that might cause issues possibly between the Bulls and Wizards front office for any future deals.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
NOOOOOOOOOOO
get James Johnson added to the deal!
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
Why not?
Why does the Gay signing all of a sudden change that?
Trading Hinrich was always a good thing. He's a bad contract.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
but the front-loading made it better
And he’s worth about 2/3 of that $9M to a team that can use him, and has scorers.
good point
still want that guy’s spot upgraded
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
So much for the economic woes. When Rudy freakin Gay and Drew freakin Gooden
get deals that even Kobe Bryant would happy with, you know there is something wrong with how things are run!
Kobe Bryant would bitch slap Jerry Buss across the room
If he tried to pay him 12 million a year.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Read that as 60 million.. but none the less
He’d still bitch slap Buss across the room if he was offered 16 million per.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Rudy Gay got 81 mil. Jesus.
There NO WAY Bosh/Lebron/ and Wade are taking a pay cut to play together when Rudy Gay can get 81 mil.
why?
They’re not Rudy Gay (atleast Wade and LeBron aren’t). They make more than that in endorsements alone. Gay just shot himself in the foot. His only chance at more money in endorsements is if Memphis becomes a serious contender over the next 8 years.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
I should of said Chris Bosh
won’t take less than the Max. he doesn’t have those same opportunities
Only the first two make that much.
Bosh does not have the endorsements of the other two
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
In case you haven't noticed, the economy is in the shitter, companies aren't lining up to hand out 100 million endorsement contracts like candy.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
wow
5th year player option confirmed by Octagon(Gay reps).
From Woj.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
and how old is Gay right now
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
heh
gay reps….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why is Deng considered better than Gay?
Gay’s infinitely more gifted than Deng and already has proven to be the better offensive player. He’s an amazing athlete and still has a lot of room to improve. I’m not saying he’s a star(yet) or that he’s worth that money, but I’d sooner have him than Deng. Deng maxed out as a 21 year old, while Gay can get much better.
by dakoose on Jul 1, 2010 2:00 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree Gay is better than Deng. But I was sitting close to the court during the game last year when
Rudy kicked the hell out of us.
I agree
Gay is the better player. Ask Toronto why they won’t take Deng back in a S/T and you then realize Deng’s true value. If he was Rudy Gay, I think Toronto would take him
by Dils on Jul 1, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Deng's value is a lot different now than it was 20 minutes ago.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
so...
Deng goes to Minnesota… Al Jefferson goes to Toronto… and Chris Bosh goes to Chicago?
BA DA BING!
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
9-11 million after today's deals
not sure if that counts Gooden, but it counts Pevolic (or whatever his name is)
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
It's all relative
Maybe valuable to us if we can’t get Lebron and we are stuck with Deng. but the reast of the league doesn’t feel that way.
I didn't know you are on the phone regularly with NBA GM's
Gauging their interest of Luol Deng.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Huh?
He’s here right? We’ve been trying to trade him right? We can’t get rid of him because of his contract. He’s over paid and the Bulls are paying the price right now for over paying him right now. I don’t see how Deng’s value goes up because a better player at his position got more money somewhere else.
Yeah and obviously the market just changed.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
If you don't see how his value is different
After a lesser SF got paid more than he did and how that would affect the market for those looking for a young SF, I just don’t know what to say to you.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Read my comment above
I don’t think Deng is the better player. That’s my opinion.
Even if you do for some reason think Gay is better
The market just got smaller, and more expensive. Do you understand supply and demand? This is basic economics here.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, the demands aren't the same across the board here.
There are other variables at play, like whether or not a team is close to a title. Deng at 12 million per is a lot more appealing to a team that’s “close” than a middling team that’s not. How many team’s need a SF that are willing to trade for Deng while other guys are still on the market. After they strike out on the big ones, maybe, but then the benefit of trading Luol aren’t as big. We’re not the only team looking to hit it big in FA.
Good lord, of course that's a given other factors matter
But the fact is, one of the few SF’s that is comparable to Deng on the free market (in my opinion the only one outside of the obvious, LeBron) is gone. At a higher price than Deng. This means Deng’s value has increased. This really shouldn’t debateable.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not like the market changed 5% here
The supply was basically cut in half. And the price went up at the same time.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
We differ in opinion, because I think Gay can be MUCH
better than Deng, and therefore Gay’s signing won’t effect Deng’s value that much.
Well then you're just wrong.. that makes it much simpler.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yep
They’re the same player.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Except one plays defense.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, yeah, that, too.
I think Gay plays decent defense, just not as good as Deng.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think he's very comparable to Deng, and that's the differnce here.
I think they’re values are quite different, and therefore one doesn’t have that much of an effect on the other. Our premises are different, so of course our conclusions will be as well.
Please respond to Tyger's post comparing the two
on basketball reference. Please explain the strong differences between the two, other than Deng being a better rebounder, defender and 3 point shooter.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Reports are that the Bulls are trying
to unload Deng’s contract in a S/T for the ability to sign Bosh and Lebron. Because the Bulls have over payed Luol Deng, they are having a hard time moving him in a sign and trade right now. Toronto is already over paying Turkolu so they aren’t willing to take on Deng’s contract as well
Even if Deng's contract were "fair"
according to whatever standard you have (let’s say $2 million per year less), the Raptors probably STILL wouldn’t want to take on another starting caliber SF when they have many other holes to fill.
Deng’s deal wasn’t that bad, really, compared with many many other players’ contracts.
by kozzer on Jul 1, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
It looked a lot worse after his injury-plagued 2008-09; but, after he played quite well, and mostly injury-free, in 2009-10, his contract again appeared fairly reasonable — which means it always was, because humans tend to become injured when playing high-intensity sports at the prefessional-level for multiple years consecutively.
exactly
so Minnesota, who’s established themselves as interested in a SF, become a key player now. Do they want Deng or Turkoglu?
1. Chicago gets Bosh, Minnesota gets Deng, Toronto gets Jefferson
2. Minnesota gets Turkoglu, Toronto gets Jefferson
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
well, its kahn, so im guessing he takes calderon.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
and let's not forget..
that there is another SF available this offseason who everyone constantly forgets about…
Hedo Turkoglu
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
They're not forgetting about him
They’re intentionally not including him.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Deng puts up similar offensive numbers and plays much, much better defense. That's why.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But Deng's a different type of scorer.
He’s a system scorer than really needs to be set up. I think Gay is the type of scorer that can be relied on as a key cog in an offense. And he will get better, Deng won’t.
He's played in a bunch of different systems and still gotten those numbers. Deng is better than Gay. He just is.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it just depends on how much you'd like to pay for your 18 and 7
and whether you’re willing to pay extra for bad defense ;-)
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
By system I mean he needs to be set up.
Deng is never good enough to be a team’s second offensive option. Gay can be, and I think he will be.
And he'll also play absolutely zero defense, so you'll never really win with him.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Same was said with BG, but in a good defensive system he'd be fine.
Just like BG was with Skiles. Individual defense is not as important as team defense.
Individual defense is much more important from the SF position than from the SG position
Also, BG got a much smaller contract than what Gay got.
Also, the Pistons didn’t exactly light the world on fire.
Brad Miller is god.
Gay's not interested in either.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
BG had an elite trait by shooting over 40% from the 3-point line.
You can accept subpar defense when you are providing elite offense, just like Boston does with Ray Allen. Rudy Gay isn’t elite at anything, he’s just good. That contract is going to look awful in a year when OJ Mayo is the clear-cut best player on the team.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Gordon tried on defense
He wasn’t a total hole, just not very good.
you can do that and you'll lose lots of ballgames, but if you like style over substance, great.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
And why is it assumed Gay has potential and Deng doesn’t when they’re basically the same age?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Because you have to look at their style.
Deng is too limited athletically and doesn’t have the type of body that fills out. He won’t develop a post game and he’s too slow to do anything off of the dribble. Gay’s style/athleticism projects far better than Deng’s.
Well he's had a few years now
He’s the same age as Luol, let me know when those projections become a reality.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably within a year or two.
I already think Gay’s better, but I think in a year or two so will you.
No.. I probably won't
I surely don’t now, and if you think he is, it’s because you’re just looking at how many points he scores and never watch him play. This isn’t a game down at the park, I don’t care how athletic he looks, one of them is actually using their athleticism to help their team, one is using it to look good while he scores. I’ll take the first guy.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I've watched Gay play several times and was a huge fan of his back in college,
and I think he’ll be better than Deng.
Basketball.
I think scoring is more important than defense for an individual, because in general a team can defend, but individuals do most of the scoring.
Derrick’s a bad defender, but the team played good D. That’s all that really counts.
it doesnt matter who is better cuz
the fact remains that deng’s contract became better after the signing. Dils you are getting caught up in the nominal value of deng’s contract which is important because of the salary cap (not a completely free market), but it is relative to other player’s contracts-supply and demand
Why, just because the Grizzlies think Gay is worth
80 million? Deng’s contract is still going to be tough to trade, especially when there are still FA’s out there to be had.
that's great
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
You're not the only one to take economics classes.
If a team demands a SF with the qualities Rudy Gay posseses, no matter how few Luol Dengs there are, they still won’t want Luol Deng. I’m in the glasses business. Just because there are so few Caviar’s(equivalent of Benz) for sale doesn’t mean I want more Carreras(Maybe a Kia).
See my comment above..
Gay has the potential to be a star in the very near future IMO,
while Deng is maxed out as a fourth wheel on a really good team. That’s a significant difference.
We'll see
I like Rudy Gay a lot, but I think you’re crossing over from your advocacy of Gay (which is warranted, IMO) to bashing Deng. Will Deng’s stats go up significantly in the future? Probably not. But I do think Deng can develop into a much better player, even if his PPG has plateaued.
What will he do better?
The only thing I can see is him stepping back and shooting more threes. I wasn’t on the bandwagon after his huge series against MIA and I’m not jumping on now.
Shoot more 3's
get better at rebounding (he’s improved over time in that regard), become better defensively (add steals & blocks to his man defense), get to the line more.
He’s gotten better at all of these things over time, and I don’t see why he can’t improve even more.
Gay is one year younger than Deng
They are essentially the same player in just about every way. Why is one maxed out and the other isn’t?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I answered that further up on the page.
You may not agree, but that’s what I think.
Well this is the NBA, not the Sun Glass Hut
And Luol Deng is the better model of car, and he’s cheaper.
If someone goes to your glasses store and you only have two pairs of glasses in the whole store, and one of those pairs is sold. A lot of people are going to take your other pair over buying no glasses.
This wasn’t one color out of a couple hundred pairs your offering. The market was one guy: Rudy Gay, the other SF is a Bentley (LeBron) and he doesn’t want you to drive him.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
That's your opinion.
Stop projecting that onto me. If in a couple of years Gay isn’t significantly better than Deng, I’ll admit it. But I have faith that he will be. Therefore, Deng’s not the better model, and in the near future won’t be comparable, hence the contract he got.
Your opinion doesn't matter though
And even if its correct, so be it. It still doesn’t mean the market isn’t completely devoid of glasses.
If your customer comes in, they are going to take Kia pair of glasses before they walk around blind.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but not at 12 million, they'll settle for the
dink(ier) Josh Childress/Mike Miller/T-Mac, whatever.
i just dont agree with you
they are comparable now and the market was set now. its not like gay will turn into lebron. and for the record, i think deng can vastly improve ppg by shooting more threes. he shoots something like 39%, which translates into about 57% 2pt fgs.
i shouldnt say vastly
but he can still improve
Can that number hold when
he starts shooting threes at a higher volume.
yes
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
So you're assuming it's a buyers' (owners') market
I don’t think that’s quite right. Free agency, definitely this year’s, is more of a sellers’ (players’) market, if for no other reason than the majority of owners (and their GM’s) act like trigger-happy morons when handing out contracts (see: Johnson, Joe)
yes its tough to trade because there is a salary ceiling
but in terms of value or perceived value deng looks better
Nah I'm caught up in the fact that
the Bulls have been preparing for this day for almost 2 years and they had to practically give away Kirk Hinrich and are trying to trade Deng because they over payed them in the first place. Now that the moment is here to get 2 Max players, they may not be able to do it.
I’ve never been a Deng fan so I’m biased but I look at supply and demand from the standpoint that if the demand for Luol is high then the Bulls shouldn’t have any problem trading him for equal or better value.
So, because he has athleticism he's a lock to improve? Funny, most Bulls fans don't think the same way about Tyrus Thomas.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Deng is the better player
I think Gay could be better. Did he really need more freedom to get better though? Not like he had much holding him back in Memphis.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
They are similar
But deng is a better rebounder
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 1, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
and 3pt shooter
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
How many swingmen get significantly better after their 4th season?
I can think of Joe Johnson and John Salmons off hand. They are kinda like Rudy Gay, so I could see it, but the odds aren’t great.
Deng’s been better because of his defense, but I’d probably take Gay from here on because of Luol’s health. Still, Luol’s probably worth around $10-11 million and Rudy just got 1.5x that.
NOt justifying the contract, just saying I think Gay is the better player
and will get better. While Deng won’t.
Does this open the Deng for Al talks back up?
Couldn’t we expand it to Deng to Minny and Al to Toronto and Bosh to here.
And wouldn’t that leave us with like 27 million still with Bosh/Rose/Noah?
better work the phones fast
because I just remembered that the Raptors are going to be looking to trade Hedo as well, and they might be able to get AJ from Minnesota in a seperate, non Chris Bosh related trade.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
Wolves SF roster
Brewer
Johnson
Babbitt
Webster(maybe a SG)
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
Thought they traded Babbitt
to the Blazers?
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 1, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Correction
You’re right. Webster came over. They sent Babbitt out.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
they invited Rudy Gay up there
so obviously they still have interest in a big athletic forward.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
i could imagine the Bulls meeting
Pax: Did you see who we have?
LBJ: Where do I sign?
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
Bosh meeting Miami Now
chrisbosh
About to head in the first meeting. Looking forward to seeing what Miami has to offer. #staytuned
i thought he was in chicago?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
He is. He's holding meetings in Chicago.
His agent is based there.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
ah
thanks didnt know that
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
interesting
because he said that he had a visit and/or presentation from Miami last night.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
He prolly didn't have anything formal at midnight
Could be wrong I suppose but I am betting much of that was informal without agents being present and such.
I believe he was in LA
so it was 9 pm when free agency started for Bosh.
If he was in Dallas, it was 11 pm.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
Heh
On July 1, seven days before he even gets to sign the deal. Worst contract, ever.
It’s that bad. Six years, and $119 million dollars for a player regarded as a second option at best on a great team. At best. Johnson will be 29 years of age to start this contract, 35 to end it, so Atlanta will get his one peak season (unless last year’s run of over 21 points and a combined 9.5 rebounds/assists was the best we’ve seen), and then the downfall.
since when was he atlanta's second option?
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
He'd be a second option on a good team is what they mean.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
gotcha thanks dude
you’re spitting hot fire in these threads
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
And more of him...
This man could be nearly half of your salary cap in a few years. We have no idea how the new collective bargaining agreement will shake out, but even under the ridiculous payroll runs of the last six or seven years, handing nearly $120 million to a 29-year-old who has yet to do anything more meaningful than dribble a lot and shoot a lot and look real tired in January? It boggles the mind.
Gimme a break
Rashard Lewis anyone?
Gets paid more each day for less production.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
Horrible contract too,
but I guess it’s easier to swallow because ORL is a championship contender. ATL isn’t and won’t be.
Nope. Rashard was entering his prime. Joe's 29.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
When was that prime?
It sure looks like the last two years in Seattle.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
No way of projecting that. Age is the best indicator. We KNOW Joe is going to drop off. He's a 29 year old guard.
He’s going to suck for most of that deal and be ruddy awful. Plus, you overpay for contenders. The Hawks aren’t it.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
It’s not so much the max money that seems bad, it’s the six years! By age 35 he is not going to be good. Heck, half way through the deal he might be no good. Not a great idea considering they are still behind Boston, Orlando, and Cleveland (maybe).
I've been one of Johnson's biggest supporters
and that was as high as I would go. I can’t believe the Hawks are this silly.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
panic decision
there’s a desperate team in new york, and one with a crazy-rich russian owner in newark….
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
He was fine the first two years in Orlando
he was the same player he was in Seattle, just a lower usage. Orlando’s made a finals and won 52, 59, 59 games and made a final, so they had a shot. Still a terrible contract, but this one is especially bad because the Hawks have nothing and no future.
Joe Johnson is terribly overpaid.
And so is Dwyer. He’s inconsistent and hypocritical. And somewhat self-righteous like Woj, but at least Woj has good sources.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jul 1, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
With Deng
Couldn’t we trade Deng and eat half the contract? We would open up cap room if we did that, right?
Bosh via twitter a few min ago
@chrisbosh About to head in the first meeting. Looking forward to seeing what Miami has to offer.
hypothetically
Say joe johnson does indeed sign with hawks, and say lebron signs elsewhere (nj?) what is our plan b…ill assume it starts with signing bosh, and then what? Do we sign another pf, or do we just spend the money elsewhere and overpay sgs…can we just balk on the hinrich deal in the case if we are going to be overpaying for role players?
And what if bosh signs elsewhere as well (miami) whos the next free agent we target, who do we pair him up with, is it amare?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
keep the money
get picks. slow process
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
Ink Bosh, go after the RFAs like Morrow...
That could be a contender in the wild east:
Rose
Morrow
Deng
Bosh
Nosh
I'm rolling with "Boah Constrictor" until further notice.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
LMFAO!!!
Sorry I must be hungry…still I think we gotta find a way to land Boshj first, especially if we have until Saturday to court LeBron (aka LeBrosh, Nosh, Bosh)
Josh Childress
Underrated when he was here. Available now that JJ is signing the max
Wow Wow
Last year Gay turned down 5yrs/50mil.
Last year Gay wanted 5 yrs/65 mil
This year Gay got 5yrs/80mil.
It’s a bad day to be an owner.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 2:19 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
They can't blame anyone but themselves
that was a fast signing
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 1, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Remember, though, he might have wanted to replace his rookie deal last year.
So it’s closer than that.
That NBA Store story is hilarious (The LeBron Jersey)
It’s all they’re talking about here in Los Angeles
The took down the link already at the store
leaks sometimes happen...
so that might be the smoking gun.
Either that or a bored hacker who’s also a NBA fan. :)
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
Either that or they are ready to put them on the racks
Right when the dude says GO
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 1, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I expect it to be more along the lines of
NBA clearly thinks James will go to Bulls, and its not a leak – its just an error on someone updating it today when it was supposed to go up Sunday if at all.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
they probably have them all ready for all the teams he's linked with
like the championship hats and such at game 7
Yep.. logical answer
It just happened to the Bulls one that the accidentally showed.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
2 and 1/2 hour pitch to Lebron. Guess when your the one team with NO other players already on the roster worth mentioning, it takes you longer to make your pitch for the future than the Nets (2 hours). I bet Chicago does their pitch in 45 minutes flat.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
The question is
how many times did LBJ yawn
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 1, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Our case is different
we need about 1 and 1/2 hour to explain what Pax does and how is that different from Gar’s job
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 1, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Or two line up a bunch of conference calls with former players the franchise has treated well
and then asked Wade where Tim Hardaway is
A 2-hour interview full of spite would be great! Shame him in to signing!
by kozzer on Jul 1, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rich Bucher is dumb
first he goes on and on about how he doesnt really get lebrons hype in the basketball world as the best when he hasnt won anything yet, and winning is what really is important more than any other individual accolade… then he says that he thinks lebron will stay in cleavland stating “He might have a better chance at winning a ring somewhere else but..” and then talks about how its part of whats ADMIRABLE about him and he shouldnt abandon that….
yea…..
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2010 2:26 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Bucher's been talking out of his ass for about 15 hours straight now
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah and his breath's terrible
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm confused on what you're mad at Bucher about?
Because essentially I got that he thinks it’s admirable that LeBron might pass up better chances at winning, or better chances at making more money, just to remain loyal to his hometown* and homestate.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
To me, that's not loyalty
It’s immaturity. CUT THE CORD, MAN!!!!
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 1, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
will you be saying that if we strike out on FAs
and Rose is jumping ship in a few years?
If Rose signs an extension
and when that’s up, the Bulls still haven’t won for a championship and aren’t close, I won’t hate him if he goes to a clearly better opportunity.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
it's fine to say that
but then don’t also critique lebron for not having won anything.
by neifi on Jul 1, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
because he started it all with a rant about
how winning was everything and how lebron to him would never be the best until he actually won something
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ok
but everybody has to tip their hat to a player who actually displays loyalty for once in awhile. It’s so rare, it makes you stop and think.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
yea they will tip their hats to him
and then continually to bash him for not winning…just like kobe bryant…just like pau gasol…just like kevin garnett…and as history shows time and time again, the moment you win, people forget about your shortcomings, suddenly your ron artest and its okay to be a crazy guy who has his shrink on speed dial, suddenly your pau gasol and you are anything but soft, suddenly your kobe bryant and no one cares that you were once a selfish girl raping jordan wannabe who had little to no impact in the most important game of your year….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bucher speaks the truth
Lebron must win if these goals we read about are accurate.
The world doesn’t embrace a loser.
Speaketh Reece Bobby, “If you’re not first. You’re last.”
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
We all know what Jordan did without a Bosh level player.
Depends on if this “loser” is playing well but his team isn’t.
The World embraces the best player in the game, which is what James is. Bucher is a moron because he is a hypocrite, and doesn’t use facts to support his positions.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jul 1, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
There is nothing wrong with him staying
But Bucher’s logic and insistence on why Lebron should stay is BS.
bucher is a bit of a lakers boy, loves loves loves kobe
terrified of lebron on a significantly better team than cleveland.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
It's been boring here for the last 30 minutes.
We need a boy/girl analogy to spruce things up.
someone should re-post that cookie monster gif
That was hysterical
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 1, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
i’m not in cookie monster mood right now
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 1, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
how about Celtic bashing?
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
by tandur on Jul 1, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
tons of fun from Doc Funk
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
I think most of these players already know or have an idea to which team
they are going to…………some of these players are just milking it……….wade interview with the bulls for 2 hours was a waste of time and lebron talking to the nets, knicks and some other teams is also a waste of time………..some of these players had months to decide, like bosh……….so now the bulls and other teams have to wait until july 5 for lebron ……….give me a break
Wade may just want a feel for what the other guys are going to see
And determine if he’s screwed and needs to quickly figure out a new plan.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
lol!
waste of time? technically they can’t do anything official until the 8th. That means they have 112 waking hours (ie, not counting 8 hours a day to sleep) to discuss whatever they want. They could do 3 hours per EVERY team in the NBA, and still have almost a whole day to spare.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
Wade not leaving Miami
so why waste your time talking to him, when you can talk to players you have a better chance in signing
Bulls pitch
Hey Dwyane. Want to live closer to your ex-wife?
Sign here.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I want Duhon to commit to Chicago already
by Option27 on Jul 1, 2010 2:29 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
With Scal, doesn't Rose become redundant?
by Sir Buckets on Jul 1, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm really getting sick
of people talking about how Rose’s game and Scal’s game won’t mesh well. SICK OF IT!
:P
by kozzer on Jul 1, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i can't see him wanting to play in Wennington's shadow
by M 80 on Jul 1, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Look,
I think Scal realizes that there will never be another Wennington. He can only try to be the “First Scal”.
Poopsworld report
Hawks shopping Marvin Williams and Mike Bibby in order to clear cap space.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
It should say "Hawks ruining franchise"
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess that makes Joe Johnson's salary reasonable
If he’s now not just a SG but also going to play PG and SF.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So their starting lineup next year will be:
C Horford
PF Smith
SF 1/3 of Joe Johnson
SG 1/3 of Joe Johnson
PG 1/3 of Joe Johnson
Remind me to put Johnson my fantasy team next season
What does this mean?
alanhahn Walsh, D’Antoni leave feeling “cautiously optimistic”. Walsh called it a “non-committal” meeting and said he expects another.
Another meeting?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
Ha! The Knicks are screwed.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
How so?
I really wanna agree with you!
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
There aren't going to be any other meetings. If Walsh thinks he needs another, he's boned.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
What id James said he liked them
and was leaning that way, and they would get another meeting? Why would they get another meeting?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's just PR spin. The Knicks have literally nothing to offer.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude, I'm scared of them
Don’t know why, but I am. Lebron is all about the celebrity shit
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't become a celebrity in the NBA by winning 45 games a year. The Knicks have no picks
for a few years and no good players. They are going to suck. He’d be better off going to the Nets over the Knicks. He could still live in Manhattan.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
We shall see
I’m scared of both btw. Us having the last meeting feels like a good sign though
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm only scared of the Cavs. If he stays home (like Joe J and Rudy Gay)
then the Bulls are boned, unless they land Bosh, which seems unlikely.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
be scared of New Jersey.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Meh, they won 12 games.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
meh?
one of their owners is his friend. they have more cap space, they’ll be in brooklyn, they have good young talent.
I’m surprised you’re on this train, too.
Or maybe I’m the fool. Despite the 12 games, I’m not convinced that
Rose – Deng – Johnson – Gibson – Noah
is so much better than
Harris – Lee – Williams – Favors – Lopez.
It’s better, but I wouldn’t be convinced it is by a billion. Especially with “former player” Avery Johnson, Billionaire Russian Owner intrigue, friend co-owner, Brooklyn, and making the franchise relevant for the first time ever.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think LeBron is concerned about his image. How does he sell leaving his hometown for a
team that won 12 freakin’ games last year?
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
By winning multiple championships for Jay-Z
and making a franchise relevant?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
He's not winning titles in New Jersey.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
You really think that little of Harris and Lopez?
Or that highly of rose and Noah?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think Harris is fool's gold. I also think Rose will continue to improve while
Harris is what he is. And despite the premium placed on scoring, I think Noah is better than Brook Lopez.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lopez just turned 22 3 months ago.
He’ll get a lot better, too. Noah might be what he is at this point. he’d have to improve a lot in shooting or man-to-man defense to get significantly better.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
While it's possible,
it’s hard to say that Noah “is what he is” when he significantly improves every year, and still has tons of room to improve further. Both players still have tons of untapped upside.
those 12 games in 2009
will be history when they win 55 in 2010
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
Depends on whether LeBron thinks
he can make them a championship contender in one year…he could be the miracle worker that led a 12 win team to a championship….just sayin
Remember the NJ Nets the year before and after
Jason Kidd? Kidd took them from 26 to 63 wins in one season…he shoulda been the MVP that years…
*52 wins
Kidd was good, but not THAT good
Dr. J is going to prescribe pain for you
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
Agreed somewhat
But results speak for themselves…all NJ added to that 12 win team was Favors, who may be amazing, but is unproven and not a sure thing…the Bulls won 41 with Rose-Deng-Noah as the core…math is hard to ignore
The Bulls core of guys won 41 games with significant injuries. The Nets sucked and didn't
get anyone…yet.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
The Bulls got rid of a ton of players that worked towards those 41!!!
Hinrich – Miller – Thomas and Salmons were all vastly better than anything on the Nets bench.
And if the Bulls have to get rid of Deng to get Bosh, it’s an even thinner team. If the Nets don’t have to get rid of anyone to get Bosh, that matters.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Meh, none of those guys contributed significantly.
Miller sucked. Thomas was only there for half a year and he was injured for half that time. Salmons was only there for half the year and he was mostly terrible.
So we lost… Hinrich? I don’t think he matters much.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, you are vastly underestimating Miller, Salmons
and Thomas compared to their group of guys.
Do your really think that three guys were worth 35 wins by themselves or something?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Yes, the big win producers produce most of the wins.
I’d say Rose, Noah, Taj and Deng (aka the returning guys) produced about 30 wins.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
3 best players
for most winning teams aren’t the three best players responsible for 80% of the wins
That's more or less how it works, usually.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
No way.
Don’t talk to me like I’m a child. Seriously, “the big win producers produce most of the wins?” So why not just say they produced 40 of the 41? or 21 of the 41? I’m not an idiot.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I really don't think New Jersey has a chance
I am pretty sure the whole of New York would hate him for choosing the non Knicks team. New Yorkers are terrible people that I could see them buying tickets to Nets games just to boo Lebron for not joining the Knicks.
by Bullbo Baggins on Jul 1, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh hell yea
they are gonna sign Steven Colbert after all….!!!!
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
non-commital meaning
Dantoni asked for a handshake LBJ just sat there
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
Sure, he can expect it all he wants.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
No matter what they were going to sound positive
That way it looks better to other free agents.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
sounds like LeBron told them
he wants to hear everyone else’s offer, and that they would speak again. When and where though left up in the air.
I kinda feel bad for New York.
Wait, no I don’t.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
I remember one time I felt cautiously optimistic after asking a girl out.
It didn’t turn out too well.
You're asking for trouble
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
didn't the russian dude
say he felt good about how HIS meeting went as well?
they’re all gonna say that shit.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Kahn trying hard for David Lee
here. This is the 2009 draft where he took 3 point guards all over again, now this time he wants all big men.
David Khan is just not good
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
David Lee wants to go to a big city. I doubt he goes to Minny.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
He probably wants to play for a good team too
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 1, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
And one that isn't horribly mismanaged.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably his worst case scenario
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
He scheduled a meeting with the Wolves
And the Twin Cities metro area is about 3.5 million people.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
You were obviously there in the summer.
I lived there three years, its a great city if you like living in Evanston with no Chicago next to it. Its cold as hell the other 9 months. And there Minnesota nice is just branding for passive aggressive. Unless you have a lutefisk fetish its not a great place.
Sham says Kahn has just under 6 mil to work with
Gotta be a S&T with NYK.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
Yep
After signing Darko and that international guy, their cap space is mostly gone. If New York strikes out in free agency, and Lee wants to go to Minnesota, im sure a sign and trade for Jefferson can be arranged. I think New York just resigns David Lee for themselves, though. Lee is a much better fit for an uptempo system than Jefferson, and that’s a big reason Minnesota wants to do the trade.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
that Seinfeld gif from Curb that's become popular here
should just be applied to everything Kahn-related.
Bulls cap space
$29.17 according to Chad Ford. If LeBron signs outright, that’s $16.57 million the first year. If Lee signs outright for the max, that’s $13.52 mil the first year. Leaves us just short I think, and obviously we couldn’t bring over Asik.
Asik will make a few mil
Pekovic got that. We couldn’t sign both and bring Asik unless we trade Deng or somehow sign Lee a few mil below max.
Stein and Ford
both say 56.1 according to their league sources.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
Chad Ford isn't Joe Blow
he has inside sources. The NBA has said that it will be around 56.1 and with the official number coming out in only 7 days, then it’s reasonable to believe that someone has leaked that information out.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
We'd have to deal JJ, I think. They can probably include him in the Kirk deal.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
So... if they want Bosh, Deng is definitely going.
Who would you rather have Gibson and Johnson or Asik?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I say forget Asik
Doesn’t fill a need, has an injury history, and you can always find a vet big man willing to play for the minimum.
Yeah, Asik is not good enough to worry about.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
There were rumors that Bulls can still include James Johnson
in the Kirk trade.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Saturday or Monday announcement probably right?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
Saturday if things go amazingly well...
I bet he wants to make the announcement on a Monday regardless though.
Tweetz
Warriors talking to Hawks about Marvin Williams.
http://twitter.com/warriorsworld
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
July 8th
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
Pacers sign Paul George
http://twitter.com/indianapacers/status/17516183108
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
Max contracts?
I thought only superstar players should be reward max contract, players like kobe, lebron, wade, bosh and others that have proven over years that they can change a franchise and you can build a team around this player, but some of these other players are just stars or role players and don’t deserve a max contract like boozer, JJ, amare, lee, and one other player name gay, please, are you serious? I guess some teams like overpaying on players, i can see you overpay for a player a little, like the bulls did with hinrich and deng, but a max contract………….better hope and pray that player is really worth the cash
lol
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
by tandur on Jul 1, 2010 3:03 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
im going to sleep
and however sketchy it sounds, ill be dreaming of lebron james
Probably nothing but according to KC
Meanwhile, confirming an earlier Tribune report, Wade arrived at the UC on Thursday morning in a black SUV to meet with Bulls officials. According to a USA Today tweet, Wade departed a little less than two hours later. He wore a big smile and gave the assembled media a thumbs-up and the “V” sign, but didn’t stop to talk. A Wade rep told the Miami Herald that the meeting went “very well.”
wai....wha...huh???
this is….good
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I feel like those people who were bashing LeBron or Bosh for their attitudes..
When I can’t get myself to support Wade. How did I become one of those people… dammit.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe he's smiling
because they forgave him for the loyalty comments earlier
if wade ends up here
it will be the most awkard reverse moment
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
This is screaming for a boy/girl analogy
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Ford
A source close to the Nets said their meeting with LeBron was “tremendous”. How tremendous? “Front runner tremendous.”
Hahaha!
I’m sure the Clippers will be frontrunners, too.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
according to their opinion
and considering how downer the Knicks sounded, Nets obviously think their the front runners
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
I sure would hate it if
We had the Wade led Bulls getting dominated every year by the LeBron led Nets.. may be time for me to learn the rules to hockey.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course the source close to the Nets said that.
That’s the optimist in me speaking.
Anyone ever watch prince of bel-air
when carlton goes out for a job interview and comes back all optimistic constantly saying “i got the wink and the gun!” as a sign of hes in…then finds out he doesnt get the job and continues the remainder of the episode saying “The Wink and the Gun…they gave me the Wink and the Gun….how could i not get the job if they gave me The wink and the Gun”…..yea…ny…thats carlton…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
They're still trying to sell season tickets
by Option27 on Jul 1, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
hah!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'm telling all of you now, he's going there if he leaves
And I will never buy another Jay-Z CD again (not that I would have anyway, cause his new shit is weak)
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Chad Ford
Source says Nets’ meeting with LeBron was “tremendous”. How tremendous? “Front runner tremendous”
I’ll shoot myself. They were the worst team in the NBA. the worst team!
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2010 3:06 PM CDT reply actions
The worst team might not be a draw back at all..
I mean you want to build a legacy? You do it by winning a championship for the worst team in basketball.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not 70 losses with LeBron though.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Isn't Lebron
like an 18 WARP player? If adding him is their only move they become a 30 win team with him.
DEJESUS!!!
Since it won't be their only move
I wouldn’t worry about that.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
First, it won't be their only move.
Second, I’ve been counseled not to worry about WARP.
Third, if you do, you’ll see the Bulls lost like 15-20 of it.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
No but that's the team he's joining
Just saying the “he cares about being famous more than he does winning” criticisms will be more justified
He'd say I'd have gone to the Knicks, Bulls or Clippers if that was true
I went to the team in New Jersey. He can shrug that one off pretty easily.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
humpf
How did it go? A source close to the Nets said their meeting with LeBron was “tremendous”. How tremendous? “Front runner tremendous.”
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
notice the
“A source close to the Nets”
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe it's Beyonce.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Best part of that article is the Nets 'backup plan'
To get Danny Granger
HAVE FUN WITH THAT
I guess.
I mean, he’s only met with two teams since FA started. When it’s between them and the Knicks, of course they’re the frontrunners.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
i expect this from every team
except the Knicks, lol
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
anyone know how I can get the page to stop jumping every time someone posts a comment?
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 3:08 PM CDT reply actions
CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC!!!
The Hawks are “cautiously optimistic” that Joe Johnson will accept the six-year, $124 million offer they made to the scoring guard at 12:01 a.m. on Thursday morning.
Afterward, Walsh told the media that he is “cautiously optimistic” but said the meeting was “non-committal.” The Knicks’ president said he expects another meeting with James.
Link
Maybe the Cavs could challenge for a title next year, but the Bulls can offer two teammates better than anyone he’s played with in Cleveland. The Bulls are cautiously optimistic.
Link
by Option27 on Jul 1, 2010 3:11 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
i am cautiously bored
I better go see some of those pix in your tumblr
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
lol I was wondering what they meant by "V sign"
did they not know that was for “peace”?
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Depends on your part of the world
The Palestinians use it as a “V” for victory.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
Also Winston Churchill.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
what country is it in africa
where that sign is the equivalent of the middle finger? i remember a story of nixon getting in trouble for it
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
In UK it's the equivalent of the middle finger
but only if the hand is flipped around (i.e., back of the hand out, just like flipping the bird).
and V the miniseries is back on TV
so V for Victory has reappeared in the American lexicon
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
They must not use it a lot then
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
is he saying
“I’m taking them both: Bosh and LeBron!” ?
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe Wade is the Plan B if LeBron goes elsewhere?
And Wade probably knows it, too. How funny would it be if he ended up fucking Riley over?
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
That's his sign to Riley
“Meeting went great, coach – they totally buy I’m considering leaving Miami!”
I think I’d enjoy Wade signing here more for what it does to the Heat than actually having him on the team.
Caution: Falling Prices
http://www.mavgear.com/Dirk-Nowitzki/
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
it's the summer of Make Luol Deng's Contract Seem Reasonable
with all these terrible contracts being offered so far
So the nets, and knicks
met with lebron, and it was the team owners who walked away saying it went well….for the bulls, it was dwade walking away saying it went well…for some reason…i feel like the player saying it went well hold a ton more water than the owners saying teh same words….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
except that wade might be thinking, "hey this is great, these guys couldnt sell candy to 4th graders. we're going to kick their ass come july 8th!"
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
by TheMoon on Jul 1, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ha
the thumbs up wasnt to the media it was to patriley hidden in the crowd, ….damn actually this could be true…he couldve successfully sabotaged the entire bulls thing, he couldve gone as a scout for bosh or lebron to see what the bulls were all about…and now knows they are nothign to fear…OH CRAP>>>PESSIMISTIC FREAK OUT MODE ACTIVATE
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
LeBron's done for the day
PDcavsinsider: #LeBron left building, process lasted about 5 hours. Do it again tomorrow with Heat, Clippers.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
So does Wade go with Riley and Spoelstra to convince James to go to Miami?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Every time I try to read or type something my page jumps back up to where the most recent comment is!
is there any way to stop this?!
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 3:20 PM CDT reply actions
an annoying bug
it didn’t use to do that.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
it still doesn't on my home computer
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
could be the browser
I use Firefox, and just updated it finally yesterday (after a week or two of ignoring it)
that could be the issue. it’s usually browser related.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
I couldn't figure it out. I just marked all comments as read.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
Mine jumps
but if i just keep typing it jumps back so that what i am typing is on screen.
Ah
the Shift + A thing helped
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
He;s going to New Jersey
Good young team, Good owner (we think) that’s willing to spend. His apparent best friend in the whole wide world Jay-Z. It’s a wrap folks. Either that or he stays. Reinsdorf and Gar can’t compete with Jay-Z and Prokhorov.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
If that's true, the question becomes
does he take Bosh with him?
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I just can't imagine LeBron saying
“I’ve signed with the Nets because I want to win a championship with Brook Lopez!” As good as he is.
Just watch
It won’t be just Brook Lopez, he’ll bring Bosh or someone with him. And it’s not the crappy old Nets, it’s the Brooklyn Nets. I’d bet on it. In fact, what are the odds, I might do it just so I don’t feel like total shit when it happens
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll give you even odds
If he can convince Bosh to come over too, then damn. But that’s a hurdle, the Nets figuring out what to do with Favors is a hurdle, and all we’re citing here is an unnamed person in the Nets org.
What does it matter who the person is?
It was obviously someone in the meeting, so they’re important. Probably Thorn.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
And Thorn's on his way out.
I can see him doing this just to fuck with people.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh, yea, a 60 something year old man wants to fuck with people by saying he's really optimistic
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
"A source close to the Nets"
A source close to the Bulls would be like Pete Myers. Pete Myers always has a positive answer ready for publication.
thats good thinking. what is it worth to you for lebron to come here? $500, maybe? bet that much.
if you lose the bet, you have lebron. if you win, you at least have money to buy narcotics.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
That's the logic anyway
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless he signs with the Cavs
Best to just use the money to buy narcotics now
by Bullbo Baggins on Jul 1, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
i cant imagine him saying
that he expects to add 40 wins to that team and win a championship there
The Nets were not a 12 win team talent wise, as the Bulls found out first hand
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
agree
the Nets pretty much packed it in once they got off to that horrible start
If LBJ can win 60+ games with the Cavs roster, he can do the same with a better NJ roster
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
Wow. If the Nets are messing with you this badly
you may be suicidal tomorrow after Riley and company start waxing poetic after their meeting.
Yeah I really do think everyone will be "Front Runner" for a moment
Except the Clippers because they are the fucking Clippers
by Bullbo Baggins on Jul 1, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
all the more better
for the bulls being last
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I never saw him going to the Heat, and I still don't. I don't cacre what cheese doodle says
Tomorrow will be the least stressful day of the week imo. (basketball wise)
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
yea but he would be killed by the media
for going to a 12 win team and claiming he wants to win. i agree with u about the nets’ talent but i just cant see him being bold and going to newark
What? Killed for day?
The backlash wouldn’t be that bad. Especially if he brought a friend. I’m sure he’d get similar heat for signing with the Bulls
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh
What do you think is more stable?
An owner with Putin’s bootheel on his throat or JR?
The Russian Oligarchs aren’t free to choose.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
The Bulls
haven’t even met with him yet. It’s certainly not over.
DEJESUS!!!
That could be a bad thing
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm not ready to thrown in the towel so quickly, nor should you!
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
I still think we have the best chance. Even the billionaire angle is overstated.
Isn’t Lebron friends with Warren Buffet? How much financial advice does the guy need?
How nice it would be
if Prokhorov is really a MF crazy russian dude with stupid ideas?
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
or better still
decides to call delonte west over and run a train on brons mom
Reasons for Lebron to come to Chicago:
1: titles baby
2:: Money money money!!!
3: Joakim wont bang his mon
by Teh Immortal Batman on Jul 1, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I believe the Bullss will fail just as bad as your reply
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
excuse me if not ready to jump on the Nets bandwagon just yet.
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 1, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
haha, I was just joking around
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
It's tense in here
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
IT'S ALL OVER JUST KILL YOURSELVES
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
It's cool. I like breakin balls too!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 1, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Bro...
name one time in any sport that a premier free agent in his prime signed with the team with the worst record in the sport the prior year.
It's almost pointless to think of it like that
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
ok, then how 'bout this:
Bron knows what he’s got in the Bulls young guys. NJ’s pitch is “if this guy gets better then this guy lives up to potential and blah blah, then you might win something”
?
No, it's more like this:
“The talent between the two teams is closer than people realize. Brook Lopez is one of the best young big men in the game. Devin Harris was injured all year, but when healthy he’s a hell of a player. We have enough room for you to bring a friend. A great trade chip OR potential star in Derrick Favors. Good role players in Terrance Williams and Courney Lee. We’re moving to the biggest city in the world in two years. Our owner is a billionaire and you’re best friends with our rapping minority owner. What the fuck are you waiting for?!!!”
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm hoping you are right
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Well as long as you look at it as a 12 win team
Instead of what it is now, of course not.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
i definitely agree
that the intangibles are by far in the Nets favor. the question comes down to how badly he wants to win next year. nobody knows that but him
Alvin Harper
prime free agent in the prime of his career signed with the creamsicles Bucs
Ford
chadfordinsider Gallo for CP3 & Okafor. Hornets save nearly $100 mil RT @ASalmeron1 What can the Knicks realistically offer for Chris Paul?
He’s got to be sipping something spiked with knick-fan Gallo juice, right? I mean what’s the Hornets incentive for doing this…yeah they’d have money freed up from Okafor…but they’d have nothing to offer FAs except David West…and Gallo
That is such a dumb idea...
You don’t trade away one of the league’s best players for the possibility of one of the league’s best players…or am i readin this wrong?
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 1, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Small market
Darren Collison played well. New head coach.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
They are looooosing so much money.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Obviously your sources aren't Drew Gooden's agent
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Drew Gooden: Hey man, don't talk about my mama!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 1, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know about the rest of you
But I’m on my hands and knees thanking God David Kahn and Chris Wallace isn’t my favorite teams’s GM.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
I don't know why are we here
it seems we’ll only talk to Bosh and LBJ tomorrow or saturday
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
According to the NBA store
he was for a couple hours
POP QUIZ: Tomorrow: sources from both the Heat and the Clippers will be:
a. Feeling cautiously optimistic
b. Expecting a second meeting
c. Considering their respective teams the frontrunners
d. All of the above
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
I can't wait until Saturday when we get to be Front Runners again!
That and I will probably be super drunk
by Bullbo Baggins on Jul 1, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I fully expect the Heat to
leave the meeting saying “well, we thought we had it together, but once we got in there, we really shit down our collective pant leg. I mean, we really fucked that up bad.”
Give me a break with some of these inferences being drawn from completely biased insiders.
Bulls hosting Bosh
Bulls hosting Bosh this Friday:
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicagobulls/post/_/id/1137/source-bulls-to-host-bosh-on-friday
assorted wines and cheeses will be served.
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 1, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
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