7/1/2010 - the Morning of: Joe Johnson signs? Byron Scott to coach Cavs?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2010 10:10 AM CDT
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Tips for your morning: Follow this thread, an army of people are waiting to give updates. HoopsHype seems to be updating on the regular. And watch (live!) the TBJ free agency spectacular, which has been completely awesome so far.
Assuming that Joe Johnson does take the max to sign with Atlanta, I think that's a pretty poor start for the Bulls, and hopefully not an indication of guys leaning towards 'home' for the most guaranteed money. Plus, if the LeBron/Bosh teamup isn't going to happen, LeBron/JJ was alright too. I know that this contract is 'bad' for Altanta, but I'm not interested in getting lesser players on fairer deals.
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I'm pretty concerned about JJ staying with the Hawks.
As much as I didn’t want him as our first option, he was a good pairing with Bosh or LeBron.
Hopefully, he waits it out. The Bulls need options and it would be a poor start if one of their biggest options was already off the market.
And yeah, I think I’ll just follow today.
No need to post anything up. The army is strong and angry.
by Option27 on Jul 1, 2010 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
It still shocks me
Of the players I felt most sure about leaving it was him and Bosh.
I rather some other team over pay for him than the bulls
i rather have Lebron or bosh or lee and a couple of role players coming off the bench
because it was assumed Atlanta wouldn't pay him that much again
but hey, they did it once, why not again?
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
Sign and trade with Deng?
Stage one: Fire Vinny (check)
Stage two: Hire a good coach (check)
Stage three: Draft a SG who shoots 3 (failed)
Stage four: Sign a top 3 FA
Stage five: Trade Deng, Hinrich, whoever not named Rose or Noah to get another top FA (partially check)
For the Hawks
SF pile: Deng, Childress?, Williams, tweener Smith.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
just stupid max offer
watched him down here in atlanta … they’ve reached their ceiling (hawks won’t get any better w/jj)
Where 79-44 lead turns into a 4 point loss Happens
by Orange Juice on Jul 1, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm sure they've told him that this offer was out there for ever,
Hoping to be a calm port in a storm, methinks.
It doesn’t change much, since a max offer from anyone else probably lands him. Except the Clippers, since, well, you know why.
Keep JJ
Move Marvin Williams. Get a center.
I think the Hawks can get better.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
That doesn't really worry me
Joe Johnson has always seemed like he’s been about the cash, and the Hawks are a pretty good team. Not surprising at all considering the cash they offered him.
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who's not about the cash?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Rodman
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
oops meant Artest
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Tedy
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 1, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know
Some people at least attempt to mix cash and winning, and he went to the Hawks. Luckily they built a decent team. I guess that’s what I meant
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 1, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I do think he means contract cash
Everyone is about the cash but some can make that up through endorsements. I mean who the fuck wants to buy the new Air Johnson’s?
by Bullbo Baggins on Jul 1, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The hawks and the knicks are probably the only teams
foolish to pay him a max contract……….every other team knows he isn’t worth it
someone in the other thread said we visit LBJ Saturday.
In Football, the first team a player visits with typically gets him. In basketball, the last team he visits with typically gets him. Any factual reports on him visiting us Saturday, or is this just someone’s hearsay guess rumor thing?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
someone else said it first...
but then in my own snoop, we’re meeting with him Friday and he’s going to have a decision by Monday.
As to the order of signing thing, this an observation I’ve had. I think it’s usually true, but as I don’t know a stat book that has the dates of when a player visits a team, its pretty easy to hit-and-true dispute like that.
but, importantly, Bulls and Lebron on Friday:
http://blogs.suntimes.com/bulls/2010/07/lebron_decision_expected_by_mo.html
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lol
Restricted free agent Tyrus Thomas’ bond with coach Larry Brown is real, according to the Charlotte Observer.
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Lets sign him before it gets stronger
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
And trade Luol for Chandler
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
like something from the Blindside. He believes in TT!
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
"this is the first time I've had this"
“coaching?”
“a headband”
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
...."maybe both"
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 1, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
TT now lives with Brown
Brown took him shopping and TT bought a stripped polo shirt
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Is Joe Johnson the most overpaid player in NBA history?
just short of 200 million from Atlanta for 20/4/4 and almost no playoff success. It doesn’t make it a bad deal for Atlanata bc if they don’t resign him they might not be a playoff team and will draw even worse crowds. However, I think it’s a sad deal for both sides, Atlanta knows they can’t do any better and Joe Johnson obv. doesn’t care about winning so they’re both signing a ridiculously huge deal for mediocrity which I suppose is the best case scenario…
Ben Wallace
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Allen Houston, Greg Ostertag, Larry Hughes
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jul 1, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I never understood why that guy was paid all that money
big, tall, slow and sucks
and now neither are on the knicks team
what a loser……..both of them
One playoff series
He had one halfway mediocre playoff series and Isiah paid him off.
Allan Houston's lifetime overpayment
Will be less than Joe Johnson’s current 6 yr deal….
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
There are people that sit on the bench and don't play and get paid a lot of money
like adam morrison for the lakers and eddy curry for the knicks
JJ will be making more money
than any of these guys (Ben Wallace) included into his mid-30’s.. lord knows what type of player he will be at that point and he will be the centerpiece of his team.
Playing an average game for a lot of money
is better than Eddy Curry.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
at least they will get 3 to 4 good years out of him
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
maybe
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
If they're lucky
And even a “good” year from him probably doesn’t get them beyond the 2nd round.
it won't with the players they currently have
I guess Atlanta is fine with that.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
6 years
that’s too many years to have a declining player on your team and for max too…….the hawks must be crazy or on drugs
I'm not saying it's a good signing but it's a better signing than Ben Wallace
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
He's not going to be declining for 6 years
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
But is he worth
$16M today? It just increases….
I guess Rashard Lewis wins for most overpaid in 1 contract, but he’ll tap about with $150-160M when it’s done. JJ’s at $200M witha chance for a veteran contract later….crazy.
Wade and Lebron are the only 2 really worth the max. Bosh is close, rest shouldn’t be that high, but to pry you have to pay, but JJ?
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
He cost them keeping
Nique in the long run.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jul 1, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Bryant Reeves
How many years did he actually play on that deal?
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by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
None of them hit $200M
That’s a ridiculous sum of money…Jermaine’s at $153M for his career (ridiculous enough) he did have 2-3 years where he was worth some of that at least….
Joe Johnson over the11 years with Atlanta (5 he’s had, 6 upcoming) is probably overpaid by $75-100M or more….
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
if he stayed with suns, would've won 1 or 2 championships
Where 79-44 lead turns into a 4 point loss Happens
by Orange Juice on Jul 1, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
In the NBA?
You really need to get overpaid to be the most overpaid of all time. TMac, Eddy Curry, Allan Houston, etc.. at least Joe Johnson is healthy.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Big Dog
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Peja Stojakovic?
upwards of 16 million this year, right?
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 1, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep.. seriously
JJ is overpaid, but people need to calm down, there have been some ungodly awful contracts in the NBA.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
eh
Luol’s still young and pretty good/promising.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 1, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
70 million? haha He isn’t that good…
by I love football! on Jul 1, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
He's not even pretty good?
Where would you put him compared to other SFs?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
He's a second tier guy
he’s definitely a top 15 SF, maybe even top 10
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
3rd tier
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I guess if LBJ is on a tier by himself
and the second is Kevin Durant. And the third is the next group of guys, I guess that works.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
haha very nice
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ha
but the way I look at it you have the player you can build the team around, then you have his side kick, and then Deng would be the Horace Grant or Rodman of the team. That’s where he would be the third tier. Can Deng be a second tier; maybe but I don’t see it.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I meant 2nd tier in comparison with the rest of the league at his position
not that he’s a good 2nd option or 2nd best player. Do you think Scottie Pippen wasn’t a 1st tier SF when he was in the league? Just because he was the 2nd option on his team?
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Pippen was a second tier
because I don’t think he could win a championship by himself. Even if he did surround himself with other players he wouldn’t be the main player to carry the team. He could get close and to the finals but not win the championship.
Could he do it with Barkley and Hakeem?
Portland?
I wouldn’t change how I see my “tiers” depending on talent level available.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Which player has a won a championship by themselves?
Nobody???
I’ll be waiting….
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
lol
let me rephrase that – Carry a team as the go to option
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I don't even know what that means.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
You're still confusing "tiers" with "options"
If there are 30 starting small forwards in the NBA, it wouldn’t be unfair to say the top 5 are 1st tier, the next 10-15 are second tier and the next 10-15 are third tier.
You don’t think Scottie Pippen was a top five SF in the NBA during his prime?
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
also
scottie was a bad call away from making the nba finals on his own. saying he couldn’t carry a team really isn’t right.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Hue Hollins! Curse his name!
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
And he was a Tim Donaghy
Ref’d game away from making it to the finals witht he Blazers…..
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
There's a difference, in my mind, in normal discussion...
…of third option and third tier.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Clearly..
Because defense matters. At one time Ben Wallace was a second or first tier big man, but he was never a first or second option.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I dunno
1st tier:
LBJ, Melo, Durant, Pierce
2nd tier:
Rashard Lewis, Caron Butler, Josh Howard, Luol Deng
at least that’s how I’d view it
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
You could easily throw Pierce in that second group now though probably
due mainly to age
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Next year, Pierce and melo won't be...
…on the same level as LBJ and Durant.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think you could at least make a case for Melo
especially offensively. But Pierce no way.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Obviously..
With Rose distributing the ball and Noah doing his dirty work, LeBron will be free to put together the best season of all time. Wouldn’t be fair to compare Melo to him at that point.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Definitely top 10
Lebron
Melo
Wallace
Durant
Pierce
JJ (really he’s a combo SF/SG)
Deng’s in the group alongside: Iggy, Gay, Kirilenko (3/4), Odom (3/4),SJax (really he’s a combo)
…and I like him more than all but AK47 actually (who I see as more a 4), Odom’s more talented but far less consistent….and Odom’s a better 4.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
good thing it's only 50 million at this point
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Look at what RCG posted
Raef made 12 million in his last year for 1.7 ppg, 1.7 rpg. The year before, 3.7 ppg, 2.6 rpg. That.. is a god awful contract.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I mean.. I was being a little hyperbolic with my JJ statement
but it will be in that vicinity when it’s all said and done. Atlanta is going nowhere and JJ is going to be driving the bus (into his mid 30s)
He played though
Steve Francis didn’t and he booked 19 million.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
(clears through and raises voice)
Raef LaFrentz?
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
damnit, *throat
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Heatlhy now
He’s what 30 now, that’s 6 more years to get unhealthy…..
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
Um, Raef LaFrentz?
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Jim MacIlvaine
"I'm going to enjoy an apple in bed." - Derrick Rose
by E-Grizzle on Jul 1, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
add him to the list
He should not be a max player
In the 8th grade Mike Ditka won his school's Science Fair with a model of a working volcano. There were 17 other working volcano's made that day, but only one named Mount Ditka.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jul 1, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think you can blame Orlando for signing Grant Hill
he was arguably the best player in the league at that time. He just got injured.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Big Country
booked almost 25 million over two seasons that he didn’t even play.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
watching it right now
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
RIGHT NOW
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
when?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Brian Zoubek off the market
Nets signed undrafted free agent Duke C Brian Zoubek.
I’m glad we didn’t end up with this guy. He went into Duke with massive expectations and didn’t even play decent until he was a senior. He will be playing against the Sioux Falls Skyforce if anything.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
or his own pant line
Zoubas…!
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 1, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
He'll be serviceable.
Very.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I agree
Hell, Shavlik Randolph got NBA contracts. CONTRACTS!
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
he will contribute in the NBA
“didn’t even play decent” is a little harsh
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
Not really
I watched UNC and Duke games all the time and the guy had a ton of trouble getting off the bench until he was a senior. I’d stand by my original analysis as accurate.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 1, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, it's harsh... injuries really slowed his development...
He had ankle and foot injuries two of his first three years, which didn’t allow him to develop as a player. For a guy who was slow and awkward coming in, that was a big problem.
The results were pretty bad, but I don’t think it’s fair to bust his chops for it.
Interesting thought on Lebron taking money.
LeBron is supposedly leaning towards a 3 yr deal with the Cavs. If that is the case, Lebron may not care about the max as much.
Just a thought.
yeah...?
can we all agree not to make claims without a link?
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
with a new CBA no less
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
No link
due to the fact I thought it was just what everyone was talking about.
Let me find something.
by niuhuskie224 on Jul 1, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I heard it on ESPN radio ST. Louis yesterday
From what I remember though, it was in no way based on fact and was based solely on the speculation of whoever was talking at the time. It wasn’t a random caller, but it’s not much better that it was some random ESPN “analyst.”
by birdlandkustl on Jul 1, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Also
Lebron will be 30 when his 5 year deal ends….30, he will get a Kobe deal even if injured, unless he hyperextends a knee or has severe microfracture surgery, and who knows even then…
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
Anthony Morrow update
Restricted free agent Anthony Morrow is getting interest from the Spurs, Celtics, Lakers, Blazers, Clippers and Jazz, sources tell Yahoo’s Adrian Wojnarowski.
from Rotoworld.com
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
He's also getting interest from something called a Blog-a-Bull
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
We're willing to offer 10,000 snarky comments
And a fragrance entitled “Sweaty Keyboard”
by cubbybear on Jul 1, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Haha
No kidding
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 1, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
of course we wouldnt be interested
he shoots 3s
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
by Calogero on Jul 1, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd be satisifed if we were at least on that list of teams
Since we’re not, what you said.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, it sucks when Bulls management
isn’t interested in BaB unhealthy obsessions, like Anthony Morrow….
Or Tyrus Thomas <badump-bam!>
ok starting to tell myself this so I don't get pissed when bulls get shut down
lebron stays signs a three yr deal….
JJ accepts the max deal with hawks
bosh goes to mia
and bulls get lee and someone else
how terrible would this be???
somthing tells me though james would not stay if he knew mia would have bosh and wade
by Da Bears2333333 on Jul 1, 2010 10:35 AM CDT reply actions
If Bosh goes to Miami, and LeBron stays
With lee and someone else, the Bulls are probably pretty competitive. The big concern is if LeBron and Bosh got together somewhere other than Chicago. Than the Bulls would be in trouble. If they go separate ways, the Bulls can realistically compete the next few years.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow, we agree on something………..Your rite, if we can’t sign LBJ or Bosh,the best thing then would be to keep them separated.
by I love football! on Jul 1, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
If we can't sign LeBron
The best thing for us is him going to the Clippers :)
by birdlandkustl on Jul 1, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah except that
if jj, wade and lebron all re-sign with their current teams the rest of the free agency period will be murder, all that cap space and nobody to give it to, a lot of bad contracts will be signed just to get somebody and the bulls will probably miss kirk’s contract.
let’s face it, if they all stay this is gonna make everybody else look stupid
It doesn't make them look stupid.. sure.. they failed
But trying to do anything in your power to win doesn’t make you look stupid. The Bulls, Knicks or Nets weren’t going to win a championship anyways. At least they went for it.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
No
He’s an old family friend, it was fun watching him with the Bulls. I’m sad to see him leave
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 1, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Then again, the trade could be contingent upon the Bulls agreeing with at least one superstar
So Kirk and Seraphin might stay if we don’t get a big name! haha not good odds though
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 1, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm a Jayhawk,
I’m sad to see him go, but it was necessary. It hurts that it was the right decision. I always hoped he would be better.
by birdlandkustl on Jul 1, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I just got more excited
thanks for the reminder
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
The kind of funny thing about all of this
is the long-standing desire to get rid of “bad” contracts – which imo was sort of overstated because you end up comparing guys on second deals to guys on rookie deals, and because the Bulls didn’t have anything approaching a max contract so we ended up with all the comments about Lu and Kirk getting paid like “stars” (or even “superstars”) when they clearly weren’t if you looked around the league.
That’s not to say that either was unfairly considered something of a bad contract, just that it was overstated and obsessed about to a ridiculous degree.
And now, here we are with numerous posts justifying the max for second tier guys, blithely going on about having to overpay in FA, etc. While the top guys are clearly worth the max (or more), it’s going to be lovely around here if we get the wrong guy for too much money on too long a contract.
I really do hope the Bulls create a dynasty – much more fun to watch, obviously. But it won’t surprise me if a year or so down the road people are pining for Kirk’s (about to be expiring) contract. It’s like clockwork – dump Tyson for Ben Wallace, within a season you had people regretting it (even though they were really wrong about that).
by wjb1492 on Jul 1, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
well...
let’s put those two players on a team that was competing for the championship
Does Luol Deng deserve his massive contract, considering on a great team he’d be AT BEST the 3rd offensive option? And Kirk, I like the guy, brings alot… but a bench player making 9 million makes no sense unless you’re something truly unique (like Lamar Odom).
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
How much did the third offensive option make on the two Finals teams?
Just for fun let’s include Orlando and Phoenix too, so that we cover the best 4 teams in the NBA.
To end the suspense, the third option on all of those teams makes millions more than Luol Deng.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
umm
actually, the Laker’s true third offensive option (based on stats, not the system) in the Finals was Ron Artest, at the nice tidy sum of $5.xx million
Top that Luol!
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
Kobe made 24
Gasol made 17
Bynum made 14
Even Odom made 8.
Their third highest paid player was Bynum, so the Lakers have someone who is “at best” the third offensive option making millions more than Deng. Did this hurt their ability to win a championship? Why would it do so for the Bulls then?
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Also, Phil Jackson made 12 million.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
you think Deng is in the samn class as Bynum as an offensive threat?? LOL! Even in Bynum’s limited nature since his knee injuries, he’s still more effective in the post than Deng will ever be on the entire court. Hell, Bynum is even a more effective scorer than Pau Gasol.
But the point was, in the FINALS, which you brought up, the Lakers 3rd offensive option was Ron Artest (a few sets designed for him, and he was the designated kick out option over Fisher [who never hit a 3 till Game 7])
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
Ron Artest was not the 3rd offensive option for the Lakers, in the Finals, in the regular season, or in pre-season.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
sigh
Playoffs / Finals
Kobe: 29.2 / 28 .6 ppg
Gasol: 19.6 / 18.6 ppg
Bynum: 8.6 / 7.4 ppg
Odom: 9.7 / 7.6 ppg
Fisher: 10.3 / 8.6 ppg
Artest: 11.2 / 10.6 ppg
So….. that means Artest was the 3rd best scorer for the Lakers in NOT ONLY THE FINALS, but also the entire postseason…
hmmm. My conclusion? Maybe Bulls fans should stop trying to tell a Lakers fan who the 3rd option was on his own damn team.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
Lakers fan....
That explains the rambling and incoherency
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
3rd best scorer =/= 3rd option on the team. Seriously, this isn't that hard to grasp.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
watch some basketball
You think that every point that Artest scored was because the ball came bouncing his way? The threes he made was no accident. The team wanted him in that position. The players made the pass to him because they knew he could make the shot.
That’s called an option. And considering the offensive options was almost always 1) Kobe, 2) Gasol, then the next best option was Artest.
Odom, it could be argued, DID score most of his points off of opportunities (breakdown in defense, off of offensive boards, or cuts through the paint).
Artest scored off of specific playsets, with a couple of fast break and offensive rebound points.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
Here comes the goal post moving
Your said explicitly that someone who’s at best a 3rd offensive option shouldn’t be making as much as Deng on a championship team. I then proved that all the top 4 contenders had someone who was a 3rd option or worse making less than Deng.
So if that was not your point, what was?
Just admit you were wrong about what you said, make a new, corrected statement that attempts to prove Deng is overpaid, and I’ll shut that one down too.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
lol
ok, so I said Deng, AT BEST, was a 3rd option. And that’s giving him a shitload of credit he doesn’t deserve. A 3rd option player who is not considered able to consistently create his own shot, or be able to be put in a position where he always has the advantage does not deserve over 10 million.
Now, you have not proved anything (I think you typoed), because you never mentioned the Suns or the Magic or the Cavs. Also, Bynum makes more than Deng, but is a better, more effective 3rd option. A 3rd option every team would kill for because they know if they toss it into the post, they have over a 55% chance of getting a score.
However, Bynum was injured most of the postseason. He was basically just a tall Spencer Hawes out there, giving the Lakers practically nothing (but more than they could have gotten from Mbenga or Powell). So, Artest steps up now as the 3rd option on the team during the late postseason games.
And Artest makes significantly less than Deng, plus brings defense than Luol does not. So now who’s the better option? Artest or Deng?
And btw, Allen, if he doesn’t leave, will take a pay cut, and will remain the 3rd option on that team… and guess what, HE’S BETTER THAN DENG.
Deng is overpaid. Dunno why you resist it so much.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
You missed my point, I think
It wasn’t specifically about Kirk and Lu and whether either should be on the team – it was that there’s a reasonable chance that we’ll end up in exactly the same situation “bad contract” wise a year or two from now (especially if it’s long contracts and the new CBA is quite different). “Lu” and “Kirk” are just placeholders for the overpaid guy we gripe about next.
And I’m not saying the team shouldn’t move Kirk’s contract and take a shot at the top guys either. But for some of the names/$$$s being thrown around, I see it as moving one bad contract to take on another. Sometimes that’s a good move – a bad contract “true” SG would be a better fit for the team. But the point was it won’t matter down the road – people will just gripe about the bad contract. And we do have a history around here of regretting trading guys away – it’s no wonder the FO keeps bringing retreads back.
or how about...
stop signing players to huge contracts before you even know if they can fulfill the role of that contract when the time comes?
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
doesn't defense count for something?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I would laugh if Wade leaves the Heat high and dry………………..
by I love football! on Jul 1, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would be very happy.
Would anyone not? I mean.
It’s not even like a forgive for the Bulls comment thing.
Even if he signed with the knicks or somewhere else, it would just be funny to mention Loyalty and then go somewhere else to me.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
One of the talking heads was suggesting this morning
that Wade is just taking a page out of the Riley handbook of dirty subterfuge and trying to gum up the process for other teams. I.e., he has no intention of leaving Miami, but he can take up other teams’ time with this FA crap and at the same time maybe scare some of the other FAs out there that there won’t be a spot open so they sign quickly elsewhere.
well...
that “scaring of FAs” bit is a double edged knife. Maybe some people thought Wade was guaranteed to stay in MIA, but meeting with other teams might make them panic and think he’s gone.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
by tandur on Jul 1, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thing is
Things are looking more and more bleak for the Miami Heat. The Raps don’t want Beasley in a sign and trade, so they are not going to be able to free up room for Bosh and James or Bosh and another max contract.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 1, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I cannot focus on anything else but...
The Bulls and their chances to score big time in FA. I love the Bulls and D-Rose and with another superstar D-Rose will show Rondo and Derron Williams who the best PG is!!!
WOJ:
Knicks owner Jim Dolan called Jay-Z and complained massive Nets mural overlooking MSG was “intimidating his employees,” Nets sources say.
Maybe the Knicks should
Put a mural of Spike Lee on the Jersey Turnpike.
by Brutha Bonzo on Jul 1, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
wow that's weak
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jul 1, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I literally laughed out loud when i saw that tweet. Prokhorov also bought the entire nypost.com homepage adspace. I get the feeling he’s the kind of guy who gets pleasure out of annoying the knicks. My favorite saying is “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” so i guess Prokhorov is my friend.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 1, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd say not signing JJ to a max deal is a great start
Some are still saying it could be a sign and trade, hope it’s not us.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jul 1, 2010 10:58 AM CDT reply actions
Anyone see this?
Huge banner on building across from LeBron’s meeting site that says “HOME: more than a player” with a Cavs logo on it. If you have to guilt the guy into staying, good luck with that.
http://www.sbnation.com/2010/7/1/1547002/chris-bosh-free-agent-twitter-social-media
A pretty good take on Chris Bosh and his use of twitter.
Nets plan to get LeBron is under way
The New Jersey Nets’ courting of LeBron James is officially under way.
James has arrived at the IMG building in Cleveland with Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov, co-owner Jay-Z, coach Avery Johnson, and team president Rod Thorn.
ESPN
Stage one: Fire Vinny (check)
Stage two: Hire a good coach (check)
Stage three: Draft a SG who shoots 3 (failed)
Stage four: Sign a top 3 FA
Stage five: Trade Deng, Hinrich, whoever not named Rose or Noah to get another top FA (partially check)
Well, we know one thing
They can’t pitch him winning! LOL
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 1, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Teams are going about this the wrong way.
All they really need is an entourage of some hot babes.
this is the only team that scares me
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
by tyrus4prez on Jul 1, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
me too
i don’t see cleveland, Miami or NYK having much of a chance.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think Cleveland has a big chance
But i don’t see Knicks or Miami really as having a chance….
Miami is Wade town, I don’t think Lebron’s ready to play the 2nd card to Wade, and regardless of how it spins, Miami will be Wade’s team…..
There was an argument by Chad Ford that CHicago is Rose’s team even if LBJ comes here and he cited the Paul Pierce Celtics as a reason, with KG coming it’s still Pierce who was Finals MVP and considered the leader….but Rose only has 2 yrs to Pierce’s what 7-9 pre KG….I don’t see that as big of a change for the fans to say it’s Lebron’s team.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
I think Cleveland has a lot going for it, but I think wanting to win, wins out for James.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I agree wtih you, especially me being a Bulls fan
But Cleveland has won 60 games 2 straight years and has proven to spend over the max to try….
But this Bulls fan sure hopes all of us are right.
It’s rare that Chicago gets the love from the media…..and suddenly we’re the faves for Lebron…odd.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
They're clearly trying to wow him with non-basketball distractions
They don’t wanna have basketball discussions.
by dbrown25 on Jul 1, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you honestly believe he signs with the worst team in the sport
based on hopes, well wishes, lollipops and kitty cats?
“We think you should be a Net because our guys lost every game last year but showed promise, so if they get better you’ll win something.” LAME PITCH.
Also, please someone name ONE premier free agent who signed a contract with the team that had the worst record in the sport the prior season.
Or in the words of Avery Johnson
(paraphrased from an ESPN appearance) “we won 12 games last year, so the sky is the limit”. Can’t deny that logic!
I'm sorry I just don't see Bron taking that much of a basketball risk
He knows far better what he has in Rose and Noah.
The Nets thing doesn’t worry me. Lots of other stuff does, however.
With Prokhorov and Jay-Z
They certainly lead in the cool factor
JayZ is so overrated
He has some great beats, but I hate is rapping.
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
He has good lyrics, but you either love him or hate him……….
by I love football! on Jul 1, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I disagree.
I think he’s been good to great for a long time. That’s hard to do in hip hop.
But, different strokes for different folks, I guess.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep
I don’t knock people who like him, but his lyrics seems kind of “forced” and very cliched.
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
Who do you like for rapping propheteer???
by I love football! on Jul 1, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Who doesn't like them? ;)
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
No one current really gets me going much
Classics- Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, 2Pac, Biggie, Del Tha Funkie Homosapien.
Contemporary- don’t love much, but Common, Common Market, Non-Prophets- Sage Francis (did you expect anything less?), The Roots, Lyrics Born.
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
Definitely his old stuff
I forgot Mos Def as well. He’s one of my favs. The Knicks should have him in the room with Bron.
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
Mos Def could convince anybody, to go anywhere, at any time, the man is a poet…………..
by I love football! on Jul 1, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Truly a poet
His rhymes are like a hot knife through butter.
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
I like Mos Def alot
but he wasn’t even the best rapper in his own group(Blackstar).
Forgot Dre, NWA, and PE.
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
agreed. no current hip-hop (if you can call it that) artist gets me going
the thigh bone is not connected to the free throw bone.- Shaquille O'Neal
by BULLieving in Miami on Jul 1, 2010 12:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
my faves would be...
1. Wu-Tang
the rest, in no particular order:
Outkast, Tribe Called Quest, Beastie Boys, old Eminem, Mos Def, Roots, Biggie, Pac, NWA, Dre/ Snoop, Eric B & Rakim, EPMD.
i prefer rappers that stand the test of time. doesn’t truly apply to my top there cuz the Wu was really on top top from 1993-1997, but they are my all-time faves. but Outkast has evolved over the years, Beasties are classic, i cry when i remember Tribe is no longer together cuz they made beautiful hip hop.
Jay-Z ain’t bad. never seen him as “best ever or anything”, but he definitely has a lot of songs i like.
the thigh bone is not connected to the free throw bone.- Shaquille O'Neal
by BULLieving in Miami on Jul 1, 2010 12:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not usually a hip hop listener.
But he’s one of the few guys I do listen to. I like his hooks, and I think his lyrics are quite good. They crack me up at times.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Jay-Z
is okay but what is he going to do at the meeting……….start rapping?…….give me a break
That would be hilarious.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Everything Jay Z would try to pitch
clothes, perfume, albums blah blah, he would make available to Bron regardless what jersey he wears.
Reasonable Doubt was good, as was The Blueprint
but he’s got nothing on MF Doom, GZA, Raekwon, Aesop Rock, Ghostface, Blackalicious etc.
I even prefer Slug (from Atmosphere), old Murs, P.O.S. and Mac Lethal to Jay Z these days.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
also Immortal Tech, Common and Lupe Fiasco
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
If Immortal technique comes, they can pitch James on how every other NBA team is the Illuminati
by I love football! on Jul 1, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
haha awesome
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I do agree on most of these counts.
Poor Slug was never appreciated.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Slug is my home boy
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
it's reported that Jay-Z offered Bron a new clothing line if he signed with the nets
but he needs to do better than that. maybe throw in Beyonce
by Bosh please on Jul 1, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
For my presentation for LeBron
I would bring JR, Gar, Pax, Thibodeau, Scottie Pippen, and Joakim Noah. I’d give LeBron a white home jersey with his name and the number six on it. I’d also have JR wear all 7 of his rings. The first thing I would tell him is that the Bulls, flat out, give him the best chance to represent the Eastern Conference in the NBA Finals…and win. Our supporting cast is superior to any other available to him that can offer him a max contract. I’d offer him a history lesson on the Bulls, and reminisce about the good ole days. Pippen would lead that discussion. I would let him know that we want to bring that consistently dominant trait back to the Chicago Bulls, and that we want him to lead the charge.
I would tell him that our front office would do anything and everything to keep good players around him and I would let him know that he is going to be loved and embraced better in Chicago than anywhere else. I would also let him knwo that Cleveland is not even comparable to Chicago, and he’s only a quick jet ride away from his hometown.
Anything you guys would add? I’m just dreaming here.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
Because he's the type of strong personality
and competitor that LeBron really seemed to love in Cleveland. I know they had that fight or whatever, but Joakim and LeBron would embrace each other if they were on the same side. At least, that’s how it seems.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 1, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
i heard last night on boers and bernstein
that after the Noah vs LBJ fiasco of LBJ dancing LBJ was actually impressed with Noah that he stood up to him. I dont know if this is true but if so I think Noah coming along would help. It would be nice to have the one person who is only about winning be at the presentation.
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
Lebron has been
Oddly very complimentary to Noah all during the pre and post interview stuff in the playoffs….so perhaps that’s correct.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
Noah can tell Lebron that
Cleveland sucks and there’s nothing good about Cleveland………i wouldn’t go there for a vacation
You're assuming that there'd be fans there to boo him.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
And Joakim can say,
“And Chicago isn’t all factories!”
"Nothing can happen till you swing the bat."
-Haruko Haruhara
by windycitywarrior on Jul 1, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Dear God, the Drew Gooden contract is atrocious
5 years, $32 million? No wonder NBA teams are losing so much money.
Dan Fegan is a genius
That deal is awesome for Gooden.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought they learned from Dan Gadzuric
but the good news is they now have two black holes on offense with Maggette and Gooden.
"I'm going to enjoy an apple in bed." - Derrick Rose
Another overpaid player
should be getting the min………must have a great agent because his game isn’t great
Funny thing is
I KNEW Milwaukee would go after Drew Gooden. The Bulls longed for him for so long that I had to think it wasn’t all Paxson, but Skiles feeding Paxson. THen we got him after we fired Skiles and it seemed couldn’t wait really to get rid of him….
Drew for $6M per year for a what 27 yr old. That’s not all that bad. He can score and every 5-6 games look halfway decent. Bigs get paid.
I like that deal more than I like David Lee for the max, or David Lee for 5 years $70M….
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
The media is just terrific
* 10:59a Report: Byron Scott Will Be Cavaliers’ Next Coach
* Jun 30 Byron Scott’s Agent Denies Negotiations With Cavaliers
* Jun 30 Report: Byron Scott In Negotiations For Cavs Job
I guess all those are truthy.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
Darko, really?! Only the wolves
chadfordinsider Breaking News: Wolves agree to a 4 year, $20 mil deal with Darko Milicic. Link coming shortly …
Stage one: Fire Vinny (check)
Stage two: Hire a good coach (check)
Stage three: Draft a SG who shoots 3 (failed)
Stage four: Sign a top 3 FA
Stage five: Trade Deng, Hinrich, whoever not named Rose or Noah to get another top FA (partially check)
Well, Kahn kept saying they'd be players.
KAAAAAAAAHHHHHHNNNN!!!!!!
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
video plz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnSnfiUI54
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Simmons had the same reaction ...
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Kahn might be crazy
The earlier reports indicated that Kahn was looking to trade Jefferson IN ORDER to create more PT for Darko who he hoped to sign.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Darko and Love?
What does Darko even do? Is that why he fits with love? Because Love is kind of the jack of all trades, but is not spectacular at anything?
Kahn is fucking that team to shit. Tell them to give us jefferson for Deng, where he and the other SF on that team, wesley johnson, Brewer, Wester… I suppose all three are swingmen and Deng is a natural SF with the ability to play PF in spot work. He and Love would be an interesting dynamic.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 1, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
wow
nice…
b/c I wondered what Sactown was doing, adding dalembert. They have Landry and Jason Thompdon, and just drafted Cousins. They lost Nocioni, who I thought was better than average for a international wing player.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
they need a real center.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
oh wait, they had one in demarcus cousins, but they went for a 23 year old wing player who had a career year in college.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
I think that might have been worst than
picking Flynn over Curry
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 1, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
they've been high on him since they got him
I’m not sure why, because he still brings no D that AJ and Love also are not bringing to the table. So Minny has 3 good to very good offensive big men… and not a defender amongst them. SMART.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
He blocks shots I thought.....
But yeah….why snatch him up quickly….?
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
Kahn must be deliberately trying to sabotage the T-Wolves
Because I can’t believe anyone would be that stupid. Darko was all but out of the league before he was traded to Minnesota. 20 meaningless games later, he’s making $5 million a year.
Wolves roster in two years
Assuming no trades and Rubio comes over
Flynn
Rubio
Wesley Johnson
Martell Webster
Love
Jefferson
Pekovic
Darko
Brewer
Ellington
Sessions
Hollins
Umm. Yea.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
That has all the makings of a 30 win team with no salary cap flexibility
There’s no guarantee Rubio doesn’t try to force a trade, either.
ummm the wolves just signed
darko to 4 years $20 million
Darko reacts to the contract
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woWqSmichOo
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Another average player
getting paid more than he is worth………should be getting the min. too
Kahn couldn't wait a couple days before giving 20 million to Darko?!?
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Jul 1, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
sportsguy33 Joe Johnson in Magic sweep w/ Vince/Barnes/Pietrus defending him: 12.8 PPG, 30% FG, 9-39 3FG, 19 FTA. His team quit by Game 3. $119 million?
JJ isn't the Hawks problem
It’s the other 4 spectators they put on the floor with him.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
wrong
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did you watch the games this time around?
Or more stat sheet gawking?
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I did.
And I won’t ask if you did because you’ve so often been wrong even when you’ve watched them.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Is Joe Johnson really THAT good?
Does he have unstoppable goto moves like the elite perimter players? I don’t know. But if I had D-Rose, D-Wade, or LeBron, JJ is one of the last guys who’s going to see the ball because they do his job much better than he does. Are you going to sign essentially a Ray Allen for your system for the max contract? Because that’s what JJ is headed for, a spot up shooter role for a good team.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
So basically, you think the best offense
is one where your best player takes all the shots and doesn’t pass?
Kobe tried that for a couple of years, he couldn’t get out the first round.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Rashard Lewis got 127 million
The bar is set. Pay up owners.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Nets finished
@PDcavsinsider
Nets just left. Avery Johnson said “meeting went well.” Prohorov thought it was funny that he heard he’d landed on radio.
also
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Jay-Z has not left yet, Nets car waiting for him to head to airport. A private meeting with LeBron?
He's probably offering him his own rap label
cologne, clothes line, and his own vineyard.
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
here something to mull over
from this article
As Jay-Z made a toast next to his co-host, LeBron James, at a VIP dinner during All-Star weekend, he spoke of branding, about a new world order of celebrity businessmen. They declared this the Two Kings dinner in New Orleans and the star-studded list of invitees included NBA owners and stars, music label executives and A-list performers. Jay-Z talked of a tomorrow when these two monuments to music and basketball will transform the rules of engagement for the iconic performer, one witness said. He talked of making history.
Kinda worrisome?
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
Declining revenues
Music and Basketball.
Cheers Jay-Z.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
He should offer Beyonce
Stage one: Fire Vinny (check)
Stage two: Hire a good coach (check)
Stage three: Draft a SG who shoots 3 (failed)
Stage four: Sign a top 3 FA
Stage five: Trade Deng, Hinrich, whoever not named Rose or Noah to get another top FA (partially check)
Well, they are friends.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Honest question: Why is Bosh considered a better player than David Lee?
I haven’t watched enough of them.
I know that David Lee’s max will be about $2.5M less than Bosh’s, since Lee is only a five-year vet and can only get a max of 25% of the cap. That appeals to me.
It also appeals to me that, with no additional maneuvering, the Bulls could sign both Lee and Lebron, today, and have a great seven-man core, even though they’ll be forced to sign 5-6 minimum salary guys.
Lee appears to have a very diverse skillset, he’s an extremely hard worker, great rebounder, and is an excellent passer. He seems content to be a No. 2-3 option. I also LOVE that David Lee has played 81 games three years in a row.
Bosh, conversely, might require a sign-and-trade to sign, and most certainly will require the full $16.6M, which the team currently doesn’t have it also signs Lebron. We’ve also read that he desires to be “the man,” and that he has no intention of playing center. To me, he just seems like he thinks he’s in Lebron’s stratosphere, when the stats and the marketing power clearly suggest he’s not.
I’m asking an honest question here. Can you guys give me some good arguments for why Bosh is seemingly universally considered to be a better player than David Lee?
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 1, 2010 11:47 AM CDT reply actions
i think the comparison
is going to be more lee vs boozer/amare than lee vs bosh. personally, i think boozer is a lying, injury-prone ogre so im biased against him. i just think that lee is younger, cheaper, and healthier. i would rather have lee plus extra guard depth than just boozer or amare. plus, there is the possibility of being able to sign asik with the extra room that lee creates although im not positive.
height
Lee is just as effective as players taller than him… but just like Charles Barkley or Glen Davis, Lee will never quite get the respect he deserves because people believe he shouldn’t be this good considering how short he is compared to the typical NBA Center.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
re: height
Good point on height but height matters in the NBA. Height and athleticism make players with solid skills that more valuable. Gasol and Bynum caused a lot of problems to teams like Utah, OKC and Boston and further makes the case for Bosh as the better player. The toughness of Lee puts him in the conversation but overall I think Bosh is a better fit for winning basketball as a #2 where Lee is probably a #3/4 on a winning team much like Lamar Odom.
Between Lee and Boozer, I would rather have Lee for many reasons. Boozer is a solid player but the health and height bother me considering what happened against LA. Between Lee and Stoudemire, it’s tough but I would rather have Stoudemire who largely has more post moves and is a solid fit to go with Noah and Rose as a guy who can shoot. He isn’t a terrible defender but he doesn’t play it in the Phoenix system. Given more offensive flexibility than what was given with Nash and I think he would score a lot more points and it has shown in the second half of this season when he was allowed to go to work in the post. The injury concerns me so I wouldn’t want to have him under contract longer than 2 or 3 years though.
I think the org will love Lee
Scrappy midwest kid who made it in NYC, played with Noah at Florida, put up two straight big games against the Bulls late in the season. Looks jewish.
The major thorn in the Paxson regime was the Ben Wallace signing. We haven’t heard anything about the Bulls pursuing Lee, and suddenly this week he’s on the Bulls.com site and they’re meeting with him. I hope they get him.
The oddly isolated Ben Wallace mention
was to say I’d be surprised if they go in the Boozer/Amare direction, despite the reports of interest.
Umm.... the only thing you mentioned for the negatives are the price.
To answer your question: All else being equal, Bosh is better. They should do what they can to get him without gutting the team. Not playing center isn’t a big deal since the Bulls have a good one. “The man” quote is from a year ago. If he’s considering Chicago and Miami, he’s clearly reconsidered his opinion.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Bosh is a little more injury prone
I also don’t like his tweets, or his personal-life babymama drama.
But again, my question was, what specifically makes him considered to be better than Lee on the court, other than 1 inch of height?
"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango
by notsellingjeans on Jul 1, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
He looks the part, for one
But he’s probably better. Higher PER, a lot more defensive tools (2.5" more height, 3.5" more wingspan), higher APM, proved he’s been an elite player the last five years. I don’t think there’s much of a case for Lee over Bosh. I’d consider Lee as the #4 free agent though, maybe #5 after Dirk if we’re saying who works best with LeBron.
thank you for your answer, YaoPau
I didn’t know the wingspan info, or that the true height difference was that much.
I like Lee a lot though. I would be my #4. I like him and his character and work ethic, which matters when you’re talking about investing that much money.
"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango
by notsellingjeans on Jul 1, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
PER is a worthless measure
PER is a worthless statistic. If a player shoots better than 30% from 2 point range or 24% from three, then the more they shoot the great their PER score is. All PER really is, is a statistical representation and justification of how Hollinger values players. If you use something like wages of wins which is much more explanatory than you have a stat where Bosh produces .225 wins per 48 minutes while Lee produces .275 per 48 (where .100 is average, .200 is all-star team, and .300 is super star)
Noooooo!!!!!
Go away. No more stupid PER-WoW debates by newcomers. Go!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
hey, newcomers are welcome regardless
and WoW sucks regardless
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I love these posts
Stat A is worthless. It’s one man’s opinion. That man knows nothing. I know this, because I disagree with how it ranks players. You should look at Stat B. I know it’s right, because I agree with how it ranks players.
“Stat geeks suck, just watch the damn game” post in 5, 4, 3….
i think you have 2 accounts.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
Yeah, that's going to be the deciding factor
Whether or not Reinsdorf likes his tweets.
Jesus H. Christ.
Bosh is a better shooter.
He has a .436 eFG% on jumpshots compared to .352 eFG% for Lee, and significantly fewer of Bosh’s jumpshots were assisted. Bosh is also better at drawing fouls and shooting freethrows, making him a more versatile and dependable scorer overall. Add to that his physical advantages on defense (as YaoPau pointed out), and you’ve got an overall better player.
good to know, thank you for the feedback.
"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango
by notsellingjeans on Jul 1, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Bosh
Can play a lick of defense when focused on it. Bosh is more versatile on both ends.
Lee’s one of the worst defensive players in the game.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
yea same, but hes still
contributing, just not everyday
No offense to Thonus
But Deeks is the better writer.
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by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2010 11:53 AM CDT reply actions
Ken Berger
seems to think Kahn’s deal with Darko kills the owners argument on the next CBA.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
I don’t care who wins that argument, as long as someone wins so easily they start the ‘11-’12 season on time and that both sides don’t go through with a lockout.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 1, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'm kind of dreading a lockout.
The offseason is a killer as it is. And while still fun, recorded games start losing their excitement when you’ve seen them enough to know what play comes next.
Too bad the general public is stupid and still thinks athletes don't deserve to make any money
Won’t someone think of the owners?!?!?!
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
The public don't even know pro sports
is a cartel. They think it’s a free market like they think banking is a free market.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
So let's say Lebron and Bosh come to us, how many other players could we get?
With Hinrich and the 17th draft pick traded, what else could we get, to go along with 1 or 2 superstars? What are the realistic possibilities?
anyone willing to take a vet's minimum
and not much focus was put on “Who’s willing to take the minimum?” by the media prior to this free agency, so it’s anybody’s guess.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
no one
they have to get rid of players to get both of those guys
if they got rid of deng to do it, they would have about 8 or 9 million to go after more players
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
and now....YOUR! NEW! YORK! KNICKS!
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Knicks arrive in 4, count ‘em, 4 cars. They literally passed Jay-Z’s car as hd left building.
So much for the owners' collective bargaining position that they're losing tons of money
When players like Drew Gooden and Darko Milicic are still getting paid $5-6 million a year, the league can’t be doing that badly.
well, it ends speculation on one of my fears
that the owners (or the players) were going to use this free agency to make a statement before the CBA expires.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
The owners know the game
Gooden signed a one year deal last summer. Why? The summer of 2010.
Gooden and Milicic are establish the mid-cap market. JJ establishing the max.
The agents are going to suck every last dollar out of the owners now to protect their clients from the lockout in 2011.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think they established the "market"
there’s going to be quite a handful of players that are far more effective and useful than Gooden or Darko, but will have to settle for a MLE from a team. No one is going to see what Minnesota did, and say “Well, Kahn is a great negotiator and a smart man. I guess that’s the price we all have to go by now for a vet.”
Please, everyone in the world knows David Kahn just got worked. Except David Kahn, himself.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
Milicic isn't that important
Marc Cornstein only has a handful of clients: Dalembert, Udrih, Darko, Pavlovic, Ukic, Brezec. Catch the trend?
Fegan on the other hand is a major player.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
F'ing Milicic is getting paid $6 mil/year?
Somebody have the T-Wolves front office #? I could play 10x better than him for 10x as much! Either that or anyone else should be getting at least $7 mil, if that is the case, lol! What a joke. I am surprised he is still in the NBA. I know the Serbian press and coaches were hyping him up, freakin liers, the guy averages like 5 minutes a game.
GASP
I wasn’t paying attention. $6M a year, didn’t they learn from Detroits Kwame $4M a year deal….
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
So, it's already over? To be honest, I was getting worried about rooting for a team that actually knew what the fuck they were doing.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
It does sound like our "presentation" is shit compared to Ny/NJ so far
Hopefully LBJ sees through the BS.
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Jul 1, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
What do you know about their presentation that the rest of us don't?
They haven’t even given one yet.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Based on the reports of the Bulls sending "4 people" to woo LeBron
It just sounds like NY/NJ are pulling out all the stops.
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Jul 1, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, all those things are well and good, but they also indicate overcompensating.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Lebron wants win
The Knicks tried everything they could to try and get MJ.
Winning is everything. If you are trying to build a legacy, well Barkley is on TNT and funny. Jordan is an owner and a global icon.
Lebron is coming.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
That also has a lot to do with personality, what Barkley and MJ do now.
Even if Barkley had won some titles, I don’t see him as the mogul type.
Still, even my personality argument ties into what you’re saying.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
More people equals a better presentation?
What are those other people doing, dancing in the background?
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
hopefully we'll have the recency effect on our side
and by Saturday, he’ll have forgotten all the stupid shiny BS they pulled out.
I know this chubby chick. She pals around with really hot girls all the time.
and when they all go out, on, say, a Tuesday night, the hot girls are usually casual, just head out for a drink or two. But the chubby chick is always dressed to the 9’s, always cakes on the make up and wears the shiny shoes, etc.
The Bulls can go casual.
Do you have any idea how offensive the "hot girl" analogies are
to the few females who put up with you guys?
Yeah, you're going to last here.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Now this one is offensive
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
A girl analogy can be offensive
But I don’t see why simply bringing any one up, is in itself offensive. Straight guys don’t give “hot guy” analogies because it’s not a part of our life or experience.
If a girl gave an analogy about some guy she met who was trying to use his expensive clothes to compensate for his lack of confidence or personalty or looks, I wouldn’t blink. Why can’t we use our real life experiences?
What’s offensive about pointing out the real life fact that people try to make up for weakness in one area by overcompensating in another one?
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
i just think they're lame analogies
thus, why they’re not allowed. or at least should be ridiculed. The fact is people here had plenty of weaknesses in all areas.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Alright, I'm new but wrote it down.
No analogies said in jest which don’t pick on any one person in particular but which may be construed to be offensive by some.
Understood.
nah, just boy/girl analogies
there was a rash of them, they were all stupid. The offensive part doesn’t bother me, I assume you’re all losers from both sexes, and don’t need to know more.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
There certainly are analogies to a "hot guy" thing, I guess
But a) I agree with Matt that they are stupid analogies – and not only are they stupid analogies, for some reason they are always used to make a point that is so patently obvious that there is no need for an analogy in the first place.
And b) in general I object to the social emphasis on appearance toward both sexes. But there are very few offensive comments toward males in general here, given that the majority of posters are male. It would be nice to have fewer crazy/fat/sports-incompetent chicks comments floating around. You all are generally much better than other sites – probably one of the reasons I prefer to hang out here – and perhaps why they stand out so much when someone feels the need to stick one out there.
"very few offensive comments towards males in general here"
Um, you’ve read this blog before, right? I’ve lurked here since yfBB started the site, and my general impression is that the regulars constantly take shots at each other. I guess it’s because they don’t take offense that it’s ok or for you to overlook it. It’s the generalized ones not aimed at any individual that bug you, got it.
It's the "in general" part
People pick on each other all the time. Much of it is actually somehow relevant to blogging/basketball. You weren’t taking a shot at another poster.
And I think they reveal too much about the users (delusional version or not)
and I don’t want to know a damned thing about any of you, except your Bulls/NBA thoughts. Not your interpretation of ‘the game’.
BaB on Twitter | BaB on Facebook
"Don't nag, flag!"
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's a shame
I was about to buddy up to you and share my bank account numbers, credit card numbers, social security number and all the random information you might need to steal my entire life. Sorry you missed out.
by birdlandkustl on Jul 1, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually I think YFBB is a Russian spy
and this I" don’t want to know a damned thing about any of you" is just a ruse to keep us off guard.
IMO, boy/girl analogies are a heck of a lot better than poker analogies.
“The Bulls are going All in”
“This is like checking the turn and raising the flop.”
lol, I was going to say that if "lame" analogies is the standard of review,
the whole site should shut down.
I've actually felt that way too
when readers start talking about their personal lives on here. Maybe not readers, maybe just souleater with his gf.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
I can agree they're stupid
and that they’re used in situations that don’t require it. I just take it as people trying to be clever and failing most of the time. I blame Simmons. I do believe it is necessary for people to try to be funny and clever, because occasionally they succeed, and that makes for a lot better reading than an entirely analytical blog. I have places I can go for that.
What I don’t agree with is taking offense at the human condition. People care about how other people look. It’s ingrained in culture, all that changes is the standard of beauty. There’s nothing offensive or unnatural about people being attracted to attractive people. Expecting people to not mention hot girls (or guys) feels too much like trying to force other people to conform to your personal hangups. Just because you get offended, doesn’t mean something is offensive.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Exactly
Hot girl analogies without pictures are very offensive.
I didn't realize they were a band.
That explains all the “Dude, Mr Bungle!”, though. BTW my first name is Jim.
length of time doesn't mean anything
the only really important topics of discuss for Lebron (or Bosh) with these teams is
1. How will you use me
2. Who’s going to surround me
3. What’s you’re plan for the next 3-5 years? How will you continue to improve the roster?
The Knicks and Nets, based on this, will obviously take MUCH longer to make a pitch, because they have to be promising that they will get quality scrubs (oxymoron?) to surround them. Chicago can say “Hey, we got D-Rose and Noah, plus Deng to either play with you or trade for another piece.”
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
I seriously doubt a bunch of celebrities begging for the player to come makes any difference.
And Chicago has yet to meet with James, so who knows what their presentation entails.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Would you define it what it means going in with the right hindsight?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrAOSmSIZPs
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
And of course, that's what was so messed up with this "plan" to begin with.
They’re banking on the whims of 20-something millionaires to save the franchise, if it backfires management can just go “well we tried! you can still love it live!”
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
It was Rod Thorn's idea
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know
I mean I think the MJ thing with marketing and all should be a real boon for us. I mean you could go to the farest reaches in China and it would seem everyone would say Chicago -aL CAPONE and Michael Jordan…..
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
Ford about the latest FA buzz
Saturday it’s the Bulls and Cavs. If I were you, I’d read some significance into the Bulls and Cavs getting the last pitch. Multiple sources continue to believe that LeBron is still leaning toward Chicago and Cleveland at the moment.
Jazz free agent Carlos Boozer was bombarded with calls last night. The Jazz, Bulls, Heat, Nets and Knicks all made their calls.
He must know something for saying that we should “read some significance into the Bulls and Cavs getting the last picth”
Stage one: Fire Vinny (check)
Stage two: Hire a good coach (check)
Stage three: Draft a SG who shoots 3 (failed)
Stage four: Sign a top 3 FA
Stage five: Trade Deng, Hinrich, whoever not named Rose or Noah to get another top FA (partially check)
Hopefully it means:
That the Bulls are the team, and he’s meeting with the Cavs last out of respect and to let them down somewhat easily.
Hopefully.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the Cavs are last so they have the most time to line up a blockbuster trade by the time they talk to him, when Lebron finds out they can’t magically get Bosh at the meeting,he will then choose the Bulls.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 1, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
They will talk to him tomorrow
Stage one: Fire Vinny (check)
Stage two: Hire a good coach (check)
Stage three: Draft a SG who shoots 3 (failed)
Stage four: Sign a top 3 FA
Stage five: Trade Deng, Hinrich, whoever not named Rose or Noah to get another top FA (partially check)
i think the 2010 fa period
is a good case study on sports reporters/journalists today. this scenario is unprecedented in the nba and sports (us at least) in general. what you see is some journalists freaking out and screaming for attention a la stephen a smith, while others are maintaining credibility by passing on facts/rumours that dont run contrary to common sense. chad ford is one of the latter and ive really begun to respect his work and opinion
I dunno
It could be argued that the advent of twitter has made journalism worse, because now reporters put up anything they hear (if they believe the source) in hopes of getting the “First reported by…” tag. Journalists have been criticized in recent years for being less thorough and not checking facts or more sources, and simply running with the first dramatic thing said to them.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
yes but twitter also
aggregates these reporter’s claims and opinions so that it is easier to judge their body of work. especially now when so much news and non-news is coming out, fans quickly (or eventually) learn who is reliable and reputations are shaped.
then why is Broussard still around?
I believe that guy has been wrong about so many things he quick reported.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
my only response to that
is hes correct enough of the time to not have a massive fan backlash. but theoretically, espn would dump him in the long run if he kept making errors and fans responded to it
Chad's academic background
conflict management and resolution.
Stephen A’s? Got me. Screaming?
Broussard? Mouthpiece of the NBPA.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Friedell Chat
''I'm not in the gym every morning now for the Cy Young. I want what the boys did in 2005. I want that dog pile, that memory, that ring.''
Wow, my internet was out this morning
Check my computer for the first time and Drew Gooden and Darko Milicic are getting big deals. It’s gonna be a bumpy ride.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
Missed out on a championship front court right there.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 1, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
how close were you to full blown nervous breakdown with no internet this morning?
or was it closer to homocidal rage?
It was basically the worst case scenario
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
hehe "homocidal" rage
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Wade Meeting..
…lasted 2 hours?! Is he just begging us not to take Lebron from MIA?
''I'm not in the gym every morning now for the Cy Young. I want what the boys did in 2005. I want that dog pile, that memory, that ring.''
Maybe he’s apologizing for saying those mean things about the Bulls.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 1, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I can imagine a teary group hug at the end
with Reinsdorf telling Wade “It’s not your fault”, over and over again.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Reinsdorf got on a tangent
about how much simpler things were in the old days
Nah, he made them take a break to watch The Price Is Right
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
How would you rate yourself as a 3rd baseman Dwayne?
''I'm not in the gym every morning now for the Cy Young. I want what the boys did in 2005. I want that dog pile, that memory, that ring.''
by TheIronSchenk on Jul 1, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe the superteam rumors were for the wrong team!
Maybe Bosh, Wade, LeBron, Rose and 11 high school JV players will constitute the next Bulls roster!
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
possible
I think Lebron is serious about building a team surrounded by his superstar friends. Ultimately, I think he wants to have COMPLETE say, but since he probably won’t be able to convince Sterling to sell the Clippers to Geffen, then maybe LeBron settles for Chicago.
Or maybe he decides to sign a 2-4 year deal so he can try to “own” his own team while still in his prime…
New Orleans up for sale? Memphis? The Warriors?
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
I was actualy just kidding.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
If Lebron Stayed in Cleveland
and you’re Wade, would with you rather play with Bosh and Beasley, or Bosh, Rose, and Noah?
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
dunno if i heard correctly
But I thought I heard one of the guys on espn 710am (espn radio here in la) say that he heard from one of the top espn reporters (who doesn’t want to be named) that he’s sure bosh and lebron are headed to chicago
Why would an ESPN reporter not want to be named, especially if he's sure?
There are 10 other ESPN reporters yelliing where free agents are going, with no repercussions. The only negative is a loss of credibility if you’re wrong, but if you’re sure about it, even that isn’t a risk.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Not even really a loss at this point
Because just about everyone else has made a prediction too, and most of them are wrong. No one is going to really stand out in a group of people that had no clue what they are talking about.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Only thing i could imagine is he wasn’t supposed to be told this early? So an inside source put it out there before everyone was ready. This would make sense especially for Lebron, if it came out that he made up his mind before he even met with Cleveland it wouldn’t look good.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 1, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Three ESPN "Experts" had the same picks
Henry Abbot, JA Adande, Kevin Arnovitz
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Anybody know if we can waive or buy out James Johnson?
Was thinking, what about Deng to Toronto for Hedo & Bosh? That would net out:
Bosh: $16,568,908
Hedo: $9,800,000
Deng: $11,355,850—————————————-
-
$15,013,058 left
James Johnson: -$1,713,600
$16,726,658
plenty for a Max Contract for LeBron
and a shitty bench for sure…it that better or worse than not getting Bosh and LeBron?
and why would
we want to take on hedo’s awful contract? not worth it
To get get Bosh and James?
Still not worth it?
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe we could include JJ in the trade...
Deng & JJ for Bosh & Hedo…
the sign James..
and pray we can asign a decent shooter @ min
if it that was the only way to get bosh and james
then its definitely worth it. but i feel like there would be other avenues, especially since bosh has the leverage if he wants to play for the bulls
If we had Bosh
AND LEBRON we totally could live with Hedo.
Hedo’s a solid shooter and can be ok in the clutch. He’d be a good piece to have next to the others (Rose-Hedo-James-Bosh-Noah) that’s a title starting 5. Hedo’s a bette rball handler than Deng and can create at times…..so he’d fill a hole.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
james johnson cannot be waived or bought out
but doug thonus thinks that there is an option to include him in the kirk hinrich trade
Wow, Salmons got 5 years 39 mill
From milwaukee. Wow! Story on nba.com I saw it on twitter and it linked nba.com as the source
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Jul 1, 2010 12:29 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Holy shit. They're building a perennial 6th seed.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, at least they won't be battling each other to pointless, boring seven game series.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Jesus, if there's a lockout over escalating player salaries I'm going to pistol whip some rich people.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I said weeks ago that Milwaukee was going all in
on trying to win now, even though their team isn’t near good enough, and some didn’t believe me. These Gooden and Salmons signings should be enough to remove that doubt.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Pretty sure I disagreed with you about it..
Clearly I was mistaken.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wasn't going to look up that conversation or anything
but Kudos to you for admitting to being mistaken, as that’s pretty rare on the internet.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Well.. an opinion never holds much water
If it comes from someone who can’t admit it when they’re wrong.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Salmons and Gooden cannot escape each other!
That’s hilarious. And a ton of money for a guy who will be 35 by the end of the contract. Not that surprising though, people who score 15ppg get paid.
That's a lot of years
But I’d like that deal over the Varejao deal of $48/6 yrs that was done last year.
They better hope Jennnings can improve with Maggette, Gooden and Salmons back….
I hear Redd may be done….
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
OMG GUYS ITS OFFICIAL!!!!!!
http://store.nba.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=3358365&cp=1421535
is this a leak!!!!!?!?!?!?!
lol…maybe someone’s just having fun…but still…..YEAAAAA BOIIII
"4 inches, baby!" --ripped off from Kush
by anorexorcist on Jul 1, 2010 12:32 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
actually looks kinda dumb
never really liked single numbers on jerseys… and 6 is one of those that doesn’t fit well.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
It'll look much better
With LeBron inside it.
''I'm not in the gym every morning now for the Cy Young. I want what the boys did in 2005. I want that dog pile, that memory, that ring.''
by TheIronSchenk on Jul 1, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
not probably :)
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
LOL
Stage one: Fire Vinny (check)
Stage two: Hire a good coach (check)
Stage three: Draft a SG who shoots 3 (failed)
Stage four: Sign a top 3 FA
Stage five: Trade Deng, Hinrich, whoever not named Rose or Noah to get another top FA (partially check)
I wonder if this reflects the most popular custom choices lately.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
this is hilarious
considering their typical thing is “00” and “your name.” like honestly. someone has a great sense of humor. :D
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Kevin James?
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
THat is how it appears
on the bulls site.
Hope it is real in a couple of days.
by niuhuskie224 on Jul 1, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah but
its used as the featured image for their custom replica “sample”
if this was yesterday this woulda been hellla tampering. either this is just someone’s idea of fun or maybe Stan knows something we don’t.
"4 inches, baby!" --ripped off from Kush
by anorexorcist on Jul 1, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
TrueHoop
Tweeter close to Bosh says @hadisworld Just getting word 1 of the big 7 Free agents is off the market….apparently it’ll be official soon. half a minute ago via web
Could be the first big development of free agency. I wonder who it is, doubtful it’s Lebron, his meetings aren’t over.
my thoughts too
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
I thought that at first but surely they wouldn’t bother tweeting about it now like it’s breaking news hours after everyone knows…
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 1, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Joe Johnson?
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's been reported already.
I’m just guessing that’s the one this twit, er tweet, means.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Joe Johnson?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't care who it is
I just want this to be over.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
The Knicks have re-signed Jerome James
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
had dream last night...
i was at some basketball camp or maybe a army base with soldiers, and Lebron was there. i was wearing a Bulls jersey, and for some reason in the lunch hall he talks with me for a few minutes and tells me he’s going to Chicago. then i woke up.
the thigh bone is not connected to the free throw bone.- Shaquille O'Neal
by BULLieving in Miami on Jul 1, 2010 12:36 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
The Eagle (Bosh) has landed
''I'm not in the gym every morning now for the Cy Young. I want what the boys did in 2005. I want that dog pile, that memory, that ring.''
Is Skiles destined to coach medicrity his whole career?
Part of me would really love to see him coach a superstar
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
CHRIS BOSH JUST LANDED IN CHICAGO AND HE HAD A GREAT NAP
WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN????
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2010 12:38 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
He's rested and ready to annoy more people
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I can't wait till he twitters while in the meeting with JR
I’m sure jerry will be pleased
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
These stories of the Knicks and Nets arriving in private jets and motorcades has my worried
The bulls better not be flying coach and taking a cab to the meeting
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
how do you think JR rides?
id say a really old cadillac with wood paneling
A brougham?
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I know the white sox minority
Rolls in a rolls royce phantom. Can’t imagine jr does much worse
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Jul 1, 2010 1:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
They're going to ride in on a herd of bulls from Pamplona.
Then Jerry himself is going to bound down off of his, snap the bull’s neck, rip out its heart and eat it.
“You see, LeBron, we’re serious.”
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
haha yes pamplona bulls and brougham are solid guesses
im going with rickshaw on the back of some poor chinese boy.
“lebron 2 words. worldwide marketing”
Are we meeting Bosh again?????
This is great! (According to KC:)
Bosh is in Chicago. Bulls will meet w/ him. RT @chrisbosh: Just landed. I had a great nap during the flight. Now I’m ready for business!
http://twitter.com/KCJHoop/status/17508810039
"4 inches, baby!" --ripped off from Kush
Seriously though
I missed the big Drew Gooden news eearlier. Did everyone properly kill the Bucks for doing this?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
Maggette! Gooden! Salmons!
Fear the Deer!
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
No
I’d really rather not fear Bambi and company.
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
It's his 9th team
One a year – so he’ll play for another 4 of 5 over the length of the contract I suppose.
I would, but I'm still laughing at Kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahn.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Simmons has been on fire lately
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the Twitter format works better for him.
It’s when he has unlimited space to write. That’s when he gets on my nerves.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
settling for mediocrity isnt accurate
its more like settling for gooden
How did they do that?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it was Yao actually
said good dollars for the production or something. I couldn’t really tell because I blacked out.
You mean his ability
to productively suck the life out of an offense?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
hm
I don’t really remember. I know I first posted it on the other thread though. It was something like we have to put the contract in relation to other free agents’ from this year
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 1, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea I'm not buying all that crap
Like Matt was saying earlier, I’d rather overpay for good then get mediocrity at a decent price
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yup
agree, at least it wasn’t garpaxdorf that paid gooden lol
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 1, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
the gooden contract
is def not as funny as the darko contract lol.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Yea Darko was hilarious
David Kahn is an odd fellow
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Bucks team now
PG Jennings
SG Maggette, Redd, CDR
SF Salmons, Mbah a Moute, Delfino
PF Ilyasova, Gooden
C Bogut, L. Sanders
You gotta think Skiles can make that (any) team a top 10 defense, and that’s five starters with a 15+ PER offensively, with Bogut and Maggette around 20. That could be a 50-55 win team.
You liked the Gooden deal?
That team still has a second round ceiling
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
You think they could make the second round?
Saying the top 4 teams in the East would hopefully be:
Chicago
Orlando
Boston
Heat
by NerdVernacular on Jul 1, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Ceiling = key word
It’s far off, but it is still in the realm of possibility of things go the right way for them
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 1, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Obv depends on how this whole FA shakes out
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
They had a bunch of minutes to fill inside
and $6 mil/year is nothing; Luke Walton makes that kind of money. It’s not a great deal, but 20-25mpg veteran stopgaps are worth what, $4 mil or so? It’s a tiny overpay compared to the other contracts we’ll see this offseason.
My issue is with the length of the contract
do you see Gooden even being a rotation player in that last couple years of it?
Why not?
Tall inside guys routinely play into their late 30s, and it isn’t like Gooden has had a taxing NBA career so far, and he’s stayed fairly healthy. He’ll be just 33 at the end of the contract.
True..
I just have a feeling that when all this is done, parity in the Eastern Conference is going out the window. Hopefully that plays into our favor.
by NerdVernacular on Jul 1, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
wow, for some reason I thought Drew was in his 30's already
I guess playing for half the league makes you look older? I still think it’s a bad contract though.
Sorry Yao
but you’re way underestimating how poor of a fit this is. Maybe on a more freewheeling team, but this is an awful pairing
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why don't the same rules apply to Boozer,
who’s the same age? Gooden will be “just 33”, but Boozer will be useless after 30 for some reason…
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
well, who thought Kurt Thomas would be effective at all?
That’s why they play the game. Sometimes (rarely), a player breaks a mold and outperforms what he’s shown his entire career.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
Gooden is the worst guy they could have used that money
With Skiles, I wouldn’t be surprised if he wasn’t out of the rotation by the middle of the season. He didn’t move the ball well enogh for Vinny for god’s sake!
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
neither dallas nor san antonio ever wanted to play him. hes one of the worst defending bigs ive ever seen. that should be fun.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
That too!
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly, they're not gonna have any avenues to improve the team for a long time
They better hope that Jennings becomes a top 10 player and/or they get REALLY lucky in the draft. Also wouldn’t hurt to keep Bogut healthy, something he has proven he can’t do.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Right, very true.
And who knows if Bogut returns as the same dominant player he left as. I think Jennings, Ilyasova, Bogut is a really nice young trio though.
I think the Bucks believe they can win a title
They were 24-28 at one point last year, and they improved to 45-34 just after Bogut got hurt. That’s a 21-6 run, and they knocked off some elite teams in that stretch. That’s a LOT like the Bulls in 2006 starting 29-39 and finishing 12-2. Remember how everyone thought the Bulls were one piece from a 2007 title?
Now you keep the same rotation in place, but add an elite scorer in Corey Maggette, hopefully get Michael Redd back, bring back a more experienced Jennings and Ilyasova and get yourself some bench help (last year they had to rely on Kurt Thomas down the stretch. Gooden is no worse), and who knows. The Magic have Dwight Howard and a sack of shit for a roster right now, the Celtics are disbanding and nobody can predict where free agents will go. The Bucks could have been wiser, but they’ve given themselves a shot.
You were literally just arguing yesterday that the Bulls had no shot
with Rose, Joe Johnson, Deng, Boozer, Noah, Taj, and now Milwaukee does have a shot with
Jennings, Salmons, Maggete, Gooden, Bogut, Ilyasova.
They’re maybe better at one position, assuming Bogut is back to 100%. They’re not even younger than the Bulls team. I understand your argument from yesterday even less now.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
I'm saying that's why Milwaukee did it
I also said the Bucks could’ve been wiser, and they’d be a 50-55 win team. You’re putting your own biases into it.
So with a better roster
the Bulls would be a 55 win team right? And they’d have an even better shot than the Bucks, who do have a shot, right? My biases or not, i’m pretty sure you did argue that the Bulls would not have a legitimate shot at a championship. Shouldn’t the Bucks also get the same criticism with a worse team, and less talent concentrated in the starters for a playoff run?
I know you think i’m being snarky, but i’m genuinely confused. Everything positive you wrote about the Bucks would apply even more so to the Bulls scenario, yet you didn’t have a single good thing to say about that. I assumed you just had a different philosophy to team building. If your argument all along was really, "I actually like those moves, but I would prefer a different way’, then I wasted my time arguing with you, because it came across as “I hate those moves and they would kill the franchise”.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
by runningman on Jul 1, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Stay healthy Bucks
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
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by NBA Observer on Jul 1, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, I wish Tom Penn was on when I couldn't fall asleep last night
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
ughhh
Any news on anything??? This is extremely anticlimactic lol
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 1, 2010 12:58 PM CDT reply actions
What, the Salmons, Gooden and Milicic deals aren't good enough?
Blockbusters.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
chrisbosh
Time is passing by so fast now. My first meeting is in an hour. I’ve got to hustle up a bit 6 minutes ago via UberTwitter
At least time is passing quick for him…not so much for the rest of us waiting to hear something.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 1, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
if you guys are getting sick of ESPN
the basketball jones guys (skeets and tas and friends) are streaming live on webcam, they set up a grill on their rooftop and are talking free agency while eating burgers and hot dogs. hilarious/awesome. talking salmons/r-jeff right now.
"4 inches, baby!" --ripped off from Kush
I don't want to tell yfbb
how to run his site, but it’s kind of hard to pop in here from time to time to check out the latest rumors and such and wade through 6 500 comment general free agency threads. I was coming here to keep up to date on all things bulls and lebosh related, but it’s not really easy to do anymore.
DEJESUS!!!
news flash:
there’s nothing to report
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
DO A BETTER JOB OF REPORTING NON-NEWS.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
We might be getting Channing Frye!
Channing Frye considering Suns 5-year, $25 million offer, and waiting on the likes of Chicago and New York to have resolution on big stars.
there are
lots of rumors. If I want to see if something official has happened, I can check anywhere—it’ll be on espn, cnn, etc. If I want to see if there’s any new rumors, I was coming here. But it takes to long to wade through all the general posts.
Just giving some feedback.
DEJESUS!!!
you said Wade
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
feedback is useless with yfbb
Fanshots are proof!
by sin on Jul 1, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
the
editorial staff (of 1) is a bit heavy-handed
DEJESUS!!!
I honestly think this is better than posts for every seperate rumor
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
100 times better.
Seriously, how hard is it to hit Z a bunch of times to get through the comments?
by soxrule!35 on Jul 1, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree. This kinda a special circumstance.
I’m a newcomer here, but I’ve been lurking for a while. I’m glad you’ve given us this space to vent, foam at the mouth, fulminate and fantasize.
/ass kiss’d
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
discovering the z button
did wonders for me.
by SidM on Jul 1, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It
is.
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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 1, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
here's some feedback for you
You’re a fucktard.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Jul 1, 2010 1:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Really uncalled for
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
am i dreaming?
gooden? darko? salmons? jj to the max? wats next, is paul pierce gonna get 22 million? scalabrini?
Frank Isola is funny, and a tad bit delusional
FisolaNYDN Still get the sense that these meetings are silly. Don’t you think it comes down to LeBron deciding between Cleveland and New York?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
yeah
but wouldn’t you bet there’s a couple hundred Bulls fans saying the same thing, only replacing NY with Chicago?
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
WOW....Bleacher Report is garbage.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't believe
Their “contributors” get their bullshiz articles so highly ranked on my obsessive-compulsive google news searches. Way to go seo.
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
Shot down yesterday
BR is shit and the raptors gm status he won’t take deng back in s&t
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Jul 1, 2010 1:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
really?
wtf does he think he’s going to get better than Luol Deng? Mario Chalmers?? Joel Anthony?? EDDY CURRY????
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
The Rockets might have some interesting players ...
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 1, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
'nothing' can be considered better than Deng
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Shot down yesterday
BR is shit and the raptors gm status he won’t take deng back in s&t
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Jul 1, 2010 1:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
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