What position should we be drafting for?
by Fiadelnegro on Jun 7, 2010 3:12 AM CDT
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PrintSo where do you guys think we need an extra man the most? Who should we be looking at?
I think that the Bulls should really be looking at drafting a 3 point shooting SG/SF and nothing else. If we can get a guy who can consistently do what Jannero Pargo didn't do this year (i.e. shoot threes, play defense, not be a black-hole on offense) that's a pretty decent upgrade for us. I don't think we should be chasing the next superstar unless an expected top-ten player drops to us. In that case we could justify drafting a big man.
In order (more or less) this is who I'd like us to take with our pick:
Wesley Johnson, Xavier Henry, Paul George, Avery Bradley, Gordan Haywood, Jordan Crawford, Elliot Williams.
Also...as a side note I think there are gonna be some steals in the second round of this draft. I wouldn't be against trading away our draft pick and Hinrich to move up to a top 10 pick and to get a 2nd round pick aswell. I think Ryan Richards and Jeremy Lin are two guys who are being heavily underrated in the draft and I'd jump at both of them in the 2nd round. Plus we'd open up some cap room to bring in some more role players to fit around whatever crazy concoction of players our roster is made up of then. Obviously any serious move like that would have to consider what potential sign and trades we wouldn't be able to do and also how much it'd disturb team chemistry which I think people on here do under-rate.
Heres a link to Ryan Richards' NBADRAFT.net profile:
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/ryan-richards
and Jeremy Lin's:
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On a team with only six players under contract next season...
I would suggest that the Bulls draft the best available player regardless of position…
If I were drafting for a need, it would not be a positional need, rather a skillset need…I would look for a player who can consistently know down the open three and is a willing defender…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 7, 2010 7:55 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
I'll save Chapuforyou the time
Nocioni?
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in a race to put in a smirky retort."
-your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2009 4:52 PM EDT
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I agree but do you think we should draft with consideration of free agents we are gonna pursue. Lets say for arguments sake we get Lebron and our roster is: Rose, Noah, Lebron, Luol, Hinrich, Taj, James Johnson. Those 7 would look alot better with a SG imo. Of course, this is all hypothetical and if we get Lebron we will probably ending up sending Luol somewhere for a player at another spot…but still…..A reliable three point shooting SG alongside Derrick Rose, Lebron and Noah would be pretty unbeatable without another post presence.
That sounds nice, hot day and all...
Or wait… you mean poll?
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I wouldnt wait too see what free agents we get
As of last yr we needed a good SG like james anderson the leading big 12 scorer.I dont think the bulld will land a top free agent , i hope im wrong but i wouldnt count on it.If we do add 1 i would like to see bosch come here we need inside scoring,then add a Sg guard and we will be a very tuff team to face.
I imagine the FO
Has a decent idea of who is interested in playing for the Bulls and will draft accordingly. It’s hard for us on the outside to say who we should draft, when we don’t have that information.
If they don’t though, I’d hope they just take the best player available.
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by Grinder in Training on Jun 7, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
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My bad, James Anderson should obviously be in that list either before or after Paul George…
The Bulls will land
a top a FA, you’re just being pessimist Chicago fan, to answer the question, the Bulls need to draft a SG
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jun 7, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Wing with size who can shoot and defend...
James Anderson, Paul George, Xavier Henry are at the top of the list. I could see a combo guard too maybe: Bradley, Dominique Jones, ?
Bledsoe has to be an option
Obviously, his size and lack three point shot is problematic – but in terms of picking the best available, he’s an often glossed-over choice. He can defend and would be an excellent backup pg and part-time sg that would pave the way in trading Hinrich. I love Hinrich and hope he becomes a bulls assistant one day ala Pete Meyers, but he’s fading despite keeping in shape. We have to capitalize on his value while it is still perceived that he has another 5 good years left.
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by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 7, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
He is
even more undersized than Hinrich to be an option a SG
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jun 7, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought he was 6-3
But you’re right, he’s only 6-1. I was thinking of him as a bigger version of Lawson for the Nuggets but that’s out. He can’t shoot like Lawson, either. Scratch that, I was being an idiot.
Paxson: "Oh Vinny, your double-windsor is crooked again. Let me just rip off your neck for you."
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 7, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, the Texas kid
Avery Bradley is definitely a better candidate, you’re right. I saw him play in person once when visiting family in Austin. He’s athletic – hit some shots, too. I was more impressed with Damion James – he dominated the game. It was early in the season, and Texas struggled down the stretch, but I’d be cool with either of those guys. Although, Damion James would be reallyyyyy ill-advised if we keep Deng and JJohnson this summer.
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by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 8, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
BBBBBBUUUSSSSSSSTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jun 7, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
garvis or bust?
lol
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by Belize on Jun 7, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
On a team that was dead-last in 3 point shooting
- with little-to-no prospect of getting a 3-pt shooter via free agency
- pretty good post defense
- one of the best penetrators in the league
- a new coach who has been known to like the drive-and-kick offense
I say we draft a 3pt shooter who can play defense. Anything else on top of that is butter.
Little to no prospect of getting a 3-pt shooter via free agency?
Why? There are plenty available.
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by Grinder in Training on Jun 7, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the idea
Is that we’d ideally spend our cap room on Lebron and in a S&T for Bosh… and not have any left over for Morrow, Korver, Miller or the like…. because we’d break up the remainder into bench pieces.
However, the idea has been broached that if we sign Lebron, and do an even S&T for Bosh, it may be possible to convince Ray Allen to follow Thibs to Chicago with the 5 or so million we would have left. And then it’s all minimum contracts after that.
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Dominique Jones and Paulao Prestes
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Everyone keeps saying 3pt shooting
What happened to the Bulls’ need for a post scorer? Or someone to defend thick players like Dwight Howard or Kendrick Perkins? Or a wing player who can break down the defense, or guard bigger SGs? To me, there’s more than one glaring need, and I don’t see 3pt shooting as the clear #1.
James Anderson isn’t a great fit, despite his shooting ability. He doesn’t break down the defense, he doesn’t defend big SGs well. My guesses at the needs filled by other prospects:
Paul George (2): 3pt shooting and defending big SGs.
Dominique Jones (2): breaking down the defense and defending big SGs.
Xavier Henry (1.5): 3pt shooting, though it sounds like he’s okay at defending too
Solomon Alabi (0.5): Some post scoring ability
Hassan Whiteside, Larry Sanders (0)
Paulao Prestes, Kevin Seraphin, Daniel Orton, Dexter Pittman: (1.5) thick post defense with some post scoring ability
That’s not a ranking of the best prospects, it’s just how their styles fit with the Bulls. It’s a deep big man draft, and the Bulls need a certain type of big man. Why go against the grain.
by YaoPau on Jun 7, 2010 12:50 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I think 3pt shooting is the #1 need
because I don’t think you can win in the NBA these days without it. With the hand-check rule opening up the game for perimeter players, low-post scoring isn’t as important as it was before the rule went in to place. Obviously, it’s still really important, but the Bulls are in better shape with regard to post play than they are 3pt shooting, at least on defense. When (at least for now) the Bulls’ entire offense is predicated on Rose’s driving, it’s imperative that the Bulls get a player or two to stretch the floor for his drives, and give the opportunity for open jump shots when the defense collapses. Last year, we had Kaptain Klank and Old Man Miller, and that was about it.
Who are the Lakers' 3pt shooters?
You just need floor spacing. The issue is the Bulls don’t have 3pt shooters OR post players.
That's a good point
though they do have Kobe – and he’s a capable shooter from that distance. As is Fisher and Artest (though not in these playoffs). But they also have essentially 3 7-footers down low, 2 of which can also hit outside jumpers.
You can stop at
“they do have kobe”
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 7, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like the idea of trading the 17th pick for the Nets 28th and 1st of the second round.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
That's not a bad idea
or with the t-wolves and their pick at the bottom of the first round and their second round draft pick………..i would still wait and see if babbitt, henry falls to the bulls at 17 because i think they are the best outside shooter in this year draft………because were rank 28 in 3 point percentage and i don’t see a impact big man at 17 falling to the bulls
I kinda do too.
I think we could come away with Crawford and Pittman. That would give us a solid scoring option off the bench with 3-point range and a massive center to throw 6 fouls at Dwight Howard.
Actually, I’d rather the Bulls just buy a 2nd round pick. Not sure if they’d do that, but they need to fill out the roster with cheap contracts so maybe they’ll consider it.
Thrusting out of the playoff race, one injury at a time.
Yeah, simply buying one is good, too.
Better, in fact. Obviously. Open the check book!!!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Great idea
but if a player the bulls really want and had high on their list falls to them, then they should not trade down………..buying a 2nd round pick would really help and then the bulls can draft a big man to help defend guys like Dwight and the celtics bigs as well
I agree
but in the 1st round, the bulls need someone that can come in and score and help rose out, that’s why i’m not that big on whiteside right now because the bulls have to wait for him to gain weight and develop, the bulls are trying to win now. The bulls need players that are ready to play now, not another james johnson, more like a player like gibson. The bulls can find that player, a big man, in the 2nd round……….buy a pick, the bulls have the money
He's 237lbs and slow
I don’t question he can defend in general, but I’m not sure he’s giving us something that we don’t already have on that end.
He is slow, but he's got a massive frame
If he fills it out, he’ll be as good a post defender as anybody. I’ve read that, fundamentally, he does a pretty decent job down there.
Brad Miller is god.
My wish list
1. Xavier Henry
2. Paul George
3. Luke Babbitt
4. Solomon Alabi
5. Damion James
Brad Miller is god.
I thought this was pretty interesting from Sam Smith in his mailbag:
Now that we have Scott Skiles back. I mean Tom T., will the Bull’s get an extra draft pick? I see this draft having a lot of rotational guys & some possible starters, which makes it perfect for the Bulls. How about James Johnson & a future pick (Charlotte’s pick in TT trade) to Portland for Rudy Fernandez & the 22 pick? I think that gives the Bull’s a shot @ Anderson & George or Brackens or Patterson.
Steve Fulton
Sam: I know fans get excited about the draft, but my sense is it’s a low priority for the Bulls. I believe and I support the idea that the Bulls feel they can compete right now with the right free agent or agents and don’t want more development given they have Gibson and Johnson. I see the picks as possible barter and then using one if they cannot make a deal for a veteran or substantial cap space for a second free agent. As for Fernandez, he’s always on a lot of teams’ wish lists and Portland way overvalues him to the point they generally ask for near All-Stars for him.
As much as I’ve warmed to a few players in the draft, this is a really refreshing perspective coming from the Bulls if it’s true. And it proves that they believe this is the time to go for it. A draft day trade could very well be in our future
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
guard in the 1st round and buy a 2nd rounder and get Pittman. I know he’s fat but we would only need 15 minutes a game. He can score down low and we can throw him at the bulkier centers for when noah gets in foul trouble. And if he didn’t keep his weight down and become another Stanley Roberts, then it was only a 2nd rounder…no big loss.
Alabi isn’t that great of a defender as far as holding post position or pushing player out of the deep post. He can block shots but we need more of a post defender like Perkins not another shotblocker.
BPA
Size and speed, size and speed. Need big guys in the post and guys who can get into the post.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jun 8, 2010 1:30 PM CDT reply actions
size.... really?
We do have Asik coming this year, which is kinda like a new draft pick. I think we got all the size we need( all be it maybe not bulk lol ) I think a shooter is in order for sure.
Also if we are lucky enough to get Bosh or Lee etc, Lee\Bosh, Asik, Noah, Taj and Miller is surely enough size, but who can shoot consistently from the outside?? Plus people are commenting on the fact we dont have anyone that can take on the bulkier big men like Howard etc, a draft pick will not give us this ( right away ) either, well no more than Asik can. If the Bulls think they can win now with the right moves, an SG or a draft day trade to make some moves in FA etc is the best option for improving the team.
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