BlogABron 6/30 - Day before the Eve of the Presentations before Signings
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 30, 2010 10:15 AM CDT
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PrintMixing it up today, how about some local coverage?
- KC Johnson has a good look into 'team Bulls' and their preparation for the presentation to James this week. The entire amalgam of Gar Paxdorf will be there, and likely Tom Thibodeau as well.
- John Jackson woke up to relay this info, that the window for the James presentations (Bulls aren't going first, is all that seems to be confirmed) would allow the Bulls to target Bosh first, and then use that as part of the pitch for LeBron. This definitely works for me, as if even they don't get James, Bosh is a fine consolation prize, he seems like clearly the most eager to leave his home team, and it eliminates the possible super-team in Miami. And it's way better than my Joe Johnson assumption.
The problem is, depending on the final cap figure, that even if they used Taj or James Johnson (or both) in a S/T for Bosh, they wouldn't have max money left to sign LeBron outright. There's always a Deng-for-depth deal, though the one to Orlando for Pietrus/Gortat doesn't save '10 cap room.
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Lebatard saying Bosh to Miami is done, fwiw
http://twitter.com/lebatardshow
I hear bosh-miami is done ..bosh-wade shared agent avoids tampering…its why beasley, chalmers, anthony still here…raptors get them
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This makes me sad. Except that it’s probably total bullshit like everything else we’ve heard for the last month. Oh wait…I meant the last year.
it is so frustrating that the best place to chat about the bulls is dominated by a whiny drama queen moderator with a man crush on an average SG......6 recs
by BigforkBullsFan on Jun 30, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
BAM!
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 30, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If this is true
it shows you that when your a team and are forced to a sign and trade you are left with whatever crap they give you.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jun 30, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Unless you're smart and trade him before you're up against it like that
Something the Raptors were too stubborn to attempt
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 30, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Agreed..
Those who were talking about the Bulls not having enough for a S&T hopefully realize how a S&T actually works now.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
um.... they don't have to take those guys
they’re fine consolation prizes for Bosh.
Calderon - Chalmers DeRozan - Weems Turkoglu - Beasley Bargnani - Ed Davis Johnson - Anthony - Alabi
It’s not going to blow anyone’s socks off, but it’s a better defensive team and it has a lot of room to grow.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
That team is awful
And would get worse.
by pooriejay on Jun 30, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How would it get worse?
Chalmers is decent, Turkoglue will be gone. Everyone else is young. Calderon and Turkoglu aren’t their best players.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Are you breaking Turkoglu trade news?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 30, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Chalmers is not decent
and Turkoglu is still there. That team doesn’t even sniff the playoffs.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
by runningman on Jun 30, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
literally or figuratively
he’ll get outplayed by someone and he’ll accept his role or get bought out at low price
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Atlanta is the only playoff team in the East I see as getting worse
But teams like Washington, Philly, NJ, and NY will probably be better.
Meanwhile, the Raptors will be worse than last year.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Cleveland will be worse too
I forgot. I still see Atlanta making the playoffs though.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Doc is coming back
which probably means that Pierce and Allen do too. I still see them in the playoffs at least.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
more importantly, that team sucks for the time being, since what TOR needs now is high draft picks.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
basically, yeah.
next year, they can try their hand at free agency if they’d like. And if Chalmers becomes decent enough, then trading Calderon or Jack becomes likely.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Raptors still have Jarrett Jack
Which makes Chalmers 3rd string.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Lots of problems
A) No post presence
B) Very little athleticism
C) They were a fast-paced, offensive-minded team that all of the sudden has no #1 scoring option
D) Not a very good defensive team
A) Ed Davis disagrees
B) DeRozan, Davis, Amir Johnson disagree
C) okay
D) Alabi, Johnson
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Well, this team is gonna be fun to hate
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 30, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Stepping away as a Bulls fan
and just looking at it as a Basketball fan I would love for Bosh to sign with Miami then Lebron with Chicago. That would be a rivarly in the playoffs that would be fun to watch year in and out.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jun 30, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
A super team either in Miami or Chicago would only be good for that team’s fans. Everyone else would hate it. This way, if it’s Lebron+Rose v Wade+Bosh you have a fairly even contest (as long as Miami finds good role players to fill out that roster), the teams would be competing for the top seed during the regular season and and there would probably be multiple ECF’s for them. If Lebron and Bosh both go to either Chicago or Miami that team will have a lock on a finals spot for years.
But one advantage the Bulls have if it does end up being Lebron/Rose and Wade/Bosh is Lebron/Rose are younger, Bulls would have a 10 year window, the Heat would only have maybe a 5 year window as an elite team.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I enjoyed watching the Lakers vs Celtics even though I'm a Bulls fan
at the end of the day good basketball is good basketball.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
really?
i didn’t think that was good basketball at all. the teams played hard, thats about it.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
I liked the rivalry
The offense was bad but the D was good.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
after posting
i kinda figured that’s what you meant, more along the matchup, storylines, etc.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
I thought it was excellent basketball
But then again, I find great defense as fun to watch as great offense.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
I guess what I don't
understand is who is saying this is a S/T? How could the Raptors and Heat do a S/T without talking?
Sounds like B.S to me.
by niuhuskie224 on Jun 30, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very true..
Miami has no way of knowing that’s what the Raptors will accept unless there was tampering. The Raptors can say go to hell, taking Beasley is worse than getting nothing in return.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think it is.
He’s not that bad. And it’s not like they’d have him forever.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 30, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm sure Beas wouldn't mind it in Canada
They herb there is much better than in South Florida.
by pooriejay on Jun 30, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Plus, Beasley could be their number one option for scoring.
And that might make him happy enough (he’s very fickle) to play closer to his Kansas State self as opposed to the “why do I have to defer to D. Wade” guy that was in Miami.
He can score and he may just love it up there as they won’t force him to play defense or watch his figure.
Raptor Fans
just threw up in their mouths
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jun 30, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
it seems like a lot nba GMs would agree that beasley is worse than nothing, but i dont.
i dont love him as a player, but id be willing to give him a try. look at beasleys per36 rookie numbers:
20/7.9/1.5 47FG% 40 3p%
now look at melos rookie per36 numbers:
21/6/2.7 43FG% 32 3p%
he just needs to get his head together, and get more comfortable being an nba SF.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
I think Beasley definitely has the potential to be good
But I wouldn’t use my cap space on him either. I’d take him back in a sign and trade, but I wouldn’t miss out on a marquee free agent because I already took Beasley.
I also think that Beasley isn’t enough to make teams ok with making 3 free agents a possibility for the Heat.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
oh, i didnt mean beasley for the bulls, i just meant that hed be ok as a return for a S/T.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
I didn't mean the Bulls either
I was putting myself in the position as the GM for any team with cap space.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
I don’t know about that…Bosh is under contract until midnight tonight, so the Raptors could discuss trades of their own players with other teams…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 30, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
The agent can be making contact between both parties
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
They do it all the time. When a player demands a trade
his agent will go around the league working out trades and then going back to the club to present them.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Well then couldn't the agent have been negotiating deals with any team for a while?
What’s the difference? I mean that doesn’t make any sense. It obviously wouldn’t be fair to the rest of the league if he can negotiate a trade with Miami but not the Bulls (or Knicks or whoever) before free agency begins. Logically that can’t be allowed.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Legally can not be allowed but it happens
Bosh just needs to tell him where he wants to go and he will take care of the rest. The agent works for the player not a team so he wouldn’t have to go around working out trades with other teams.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Well then it's blatant tampering
The agent can’t negotiate a deal right now. Otherwise all of these deals would already have been made. That’s the whole point.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Tampering happens
Are you telling me when signings happen minutes or hours after July 1st that you beleive there was not deal put in place before hand?
JR has dinner with Ben Wallaces agent a week before free agency and agrees to sign on July 1st……. things that make you say ummm
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
No kidding
Waaay too much at stake for there be no tampering going on.
Whether It’s Lebron partying with minority Nets owner Jay Z or Wade deliberatley pushing his buddy Bosh to come to Miami, some kinda shit is going on that we don’t know about.
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Jun 30, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Signing vs. a Sign & Trade are different.
And you said the agent can make contact between parties. Obviously some teams do things illegally, but you phrased as if it was perfectly acceptable.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Well no it's not legal
but it happens. Those are what they call back channels. The agent may not talk directly to the GM it might be some scout or other personal. And it’s a lot of what if’s thrown back and forth.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Yes.. I know what back channels are
But your phrasing was that it was fine for agents to do it. Which it clearly isn’t.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Please I'm not trying to put you in your place by mentioning the word back channels
and qoute me where I say it’s fine and legal. If you read it that way then stop reading it that way.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
The OP (and actually, Lebatard) implied it was legal.
I think Grinder thought you were reiterating that with your first post.
Just read the whole string
and JTheory even says early that "Legally can not be allowed " and that it’s tampering, so not sure why that mistake would be made.
Fact 1: It’s not legal
Fact 2: It’s happening and almost every team is doing it
When it’s as widespread as it currently is, might as well accept it as reality instead of worrying about how legal it is.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
I tend to agree with you
but the fact of illegality is not moot. It’s possible some team/exec with a burr up their butt might lodge a formal complaint with the NBA about something that went down this past month. At that point, the NBA couldn’t just look the other way, and would be setting precedent for the future.
Not saying it’s going to happen, but it’s certainly possible.
Which is why everyone will deny it on the record.
Every team is doing it. You think Chicago just dumped Hinrich just because?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
So is Miami prepared to tell Lebron:
We don’t have enough money for Max for you. Seems to me they’d be expecting Lebron to take less.
What is their cap room if Chalmers, Beasley are gone?
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Then 3 max players
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 30, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
including Wade right?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 30, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Until Wade falls down again
Or Bosh is unhappy at being 3rd banana
Or one of Wade/Lebron gets tired of the other getting more credit
by wjb1492 on Jun 30, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
is there a definitive statement on this?
yesterday someone said the heat cannot land 3 max guys, regardless of what they do with their roster
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
Three full max players, no
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
if that trade goes through
and the heat don’t have ANYONE on their roster, (16.8m * 3) + (9 * 400k) = 54m
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
looks like my caphold number is too low
whoops… depending on what the final cap number is, looks like it could be close?
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
I was wrong.
If they dump Chalmers, Beasley & Anthony they’d have:
16.56 × 3 = 49.68
56.1 – 49.68 = 6.42 > 9 × .4736 (9 cap holds) or 4.26
If TOR says no to Beasley, and they can’t dump him, 3 max is NOT possible.
he's a homer
but sounds pretty sure of himself. If that’s true, they literally have nothing other than Wade and Bosh, correct?
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 30, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Lebetard has a stake
As in, the stories he can get as a columnist and a radio show host from a local club with Wade and Bosh.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 30, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
The more I get to know Bosh...
The more he seems to be all about Bosh. I’m not saying James isn’t all about James, but James has a lot more to offer to counter that selfishness. Bosh kinda doesn’t. As Simmons keeps pointing out, he’s a 25 point scorer but he’s a 25 point scorer on a shitty team. Someone’s gotta score on those teams.
And people thought Lebron was being selfish/rude/inconsiderate with this FA business, Bosh wet his pants with excitement on twitter when it got to 24 hours to d-day, basically telling all his Toronto fans he can’t wait to get out of there.Lebron is at least giving the appearance that leaving Cleveland isn’t easy for him.
As for Lebron, he may or may not be selfish off the court but even his biggest critics admit he makes his teammates better. I’ve seen so many games where at half time he has about 5 points and something like 9 assists. It’s in his nature to get people good ball before he goes looking for his own shots.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
that
or lbj has better handlers who won’t let him tweet something like that :)
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
chrisbosh
It funny how years come down to hours and minutes 14 minutes ago
Why do i get the feeling the guy is at his computer starting at the clock as it ticks closer and closer to midnight.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
God, he'll probably agree to a deal before midnight CST.
Dude wants gone!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Just like all the NBA fans with nothing better to do will be doing.
by NerdVernacular on Jun 30, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Haha, but he’s a millionaire famous sportsman, the world is his oyster, he should be doing something a little more entertaining. As for fans like me, we do have nothing better to do, he hasn’t got the same excuse. For example its nearly 3am where I am and I’m choosing to ignore my girlfriend and study and I have set my alarm to go off every 2 hours so I can go online and check out the latest news. And i’ll probably be doing that every night for the next week or two. He should be better than that.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
In theory he’s not allowed to make any moves until midnight. So there’s not point laying around looking at the clock all day. And even if his agent is involved in a little tampering (which is probable) Bosh does have a phone.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
In fairness to Bosh
playing basketball in Canada is like being banished to Siberia. He should be excited.
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
Yeah, Toronto, what a barren wasteland!
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 30, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ok
kind of bad comparison cause Toronto is a cosmo city, but I meant more like being on the outside looking in. Plus, they’re tax rates are rediculously high.
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
Tax rates is one thing, or you can claim the weather.
I just find it very odd that people rip on Toronto, especially since there are NBA teams in much shittier cities.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 30, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
It really is an awesome place..
People just hate Canada for no reason.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
BLAME CANADA!!!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Quebec's got the bomb!
Invade!
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
I believe the NBA takes care of that issue prop.
Otherwise no one would go to Toronto. It’s treated differently under the cap.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
sure they do
but it was a great offensive team, shitty defensive team
It kinda sucks that people listen to Bill Simmons so much because he’s wrong a lot.
Chris Bosh was by FAR the best offensive player on the 5th best offensive team. Don’t be fooled child.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think that logic is pretty weak.
Lebron is on shitty teams and scores a ton.
Bosh isn’t Maggette or Iverson or something. Watch the guy play, he’s a very balanced, skilled player that you can see working well alongside major stars.
Also, a lot of the reason why Toronto sucks is because they have no defense and little size down low. Scoring isn’t exactly one of their weaknesses, Toronto was 6th in offensive efficiency and dead last, 30th in defensive efficiency. Pardon my french, but Simmons is kind of full of shit on that point.
I never heard that from Simmons
but if he did say it, it’s a crappy argument. there’s no dispute that Bosh is an efficient offensive player and that has nothing to do with how bad his team is overall.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Yeah, except how many of those players on shitty teams score as efficiently as Bosh?
The guy has an ego, shocking. If he came to this team and put up 24/10 I would give two shits about his dumb Twitter account.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 30, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I call bullshit
Colangelo knows the Heat don’t have cap space to sign three max players. Add that Bosh hasn’t secured endorsements during his career (notice how he didn’t make the Fortunate 50 despite a $14.4 million salary in 2009), and I don’t expect him to use “I’ll just take a pay cut then, and you get nothing” as leverage. Also, if Bosh goes to Chicago or LA or Houston (his likely three top destinations since he wants to win now), Colangelo will get more than the scrapheap of Beasley/Chalmers. So Colangelo has all the leverage here (unless NJ trades Favors). And no way he gives up Bosh for so little this early in the process.
by YaoPau on Jun 30, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I'm with ya
I think this is b.s. — are we really trusting LeBetard?
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 30, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Is his name French for "The Bastard?"
methinks yes
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I thought Anthony was under contract
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 30, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
That's crazy interesting
They have to know something. I can’t imagine Joel Anthony’s $1 million is objectively worth keeping while Daequan Cook’s $1.5 or whatever was so bad they had to trade away a pick to get rid of him.
Eh, unless they just told Anthony to not do anything yet
possible. I’m deep into conspiracy theory mode.
Why would he sign a $1 million qualifying offer?
They have until July 23rd to rescind it without his consent. After that they have to ask him. He’ll wait because he’ll want a better deal. They’ll keep it in case they have $1 million of space left at the end. Or if they need it, they’ll pull it.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
wow, that's the quickest I've had a post rendered irrelevant
though…it’s just LeBetard
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 30, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
If we don't get Lebron
we better get Bosh. Lebron decides on another team then fine, we really didn’t have much hope until the last month or so. But as far as Bosh our hopes for him has been for about a year.
And Bosh would fit so much better than Boozer or Amare at the 4 with Rose. So yeah got after Bosh first and then Lebron.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
All Ballers Eve
I can’t wait until all this happy horseshit is over with and the Bulls have a roster in place.
by NerdVernacular on Jun 30, 2010 10:27 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't think that an annual contender like Orlando would make a trade in the same
conference to a team that is about to become a serious contender.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Jun 30, 2010 10:32 AM CDT reply actions
Rumors, Reports, and the unitary objective of players and their agents
Pierce opts out. Melo on the block? Nets clearing more cap space? Dirk considering opting out? Lebron, Wade, and Bosh in Miami?
Every story, every rumor, every tweet is enclosed in the same unitary objective of players and their agents. Destabilize the roster makeup of the league in order to force as many owners as possible to commit as much money as possible for as many years as possible before the owners lock them out next summer once the players laugh out the initial proposal.
Agents know where the profits are located. They know about tyger’s signature. Gee, the Warriors always seem ready to trade their talent. I wonder why. The Clippers always lose their talent. What a shock. The Bulls biggest free agent acquisition since 98-99 is 32 year old Ben Wallace.
If you’re Lebron, or Wes, or Maverick Carter, what are you saying to yourself about the nature of the Bulls over the last 11 seasons? Aren’t you operating from a selfish position? That position being to leverage skills to their maximum value under the cartel constraints of a monopolized labor pool.
The team that will land two max free agents will be the club that not only commits to paying the luxury tax, but commits to getting other owners to pay it too. If not, you might have to consider who is the current doorman at Jannero Pargo’s club because 20 years ago that guy was William Wesley at Rick Mahorn’s club.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
What does this post mean exactly?
it is so frustrating that the best place to chat about the bulls is dominated by a whiny drama queen moderator with a man crush on an average SG......6 recs
by BigforkBullsFan on Jun 30, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Don't go crazy over all of these "reports"
Almost all of it is bullshit.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 30, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
there are a bunch of new people on this site, and some of them say things like, "hey, maybe you
want lebron, but i guess im willing to smash through the lenses and reach new possible vistas of thought." and i think to myself, “yeah, of course, youre a crackpot. but are you a TREMENDOUS crackpot like NBAO?” —i feel like we havent had one of your dizzying, 600 word sermons in a while…. i guess what im saying is, its good to have you back.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
by TheMoon on Jun 30, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How many Chris Broussard reports can you take?
Lebron leaving!
Lebron definitely leaving!
Lebron staying!
I guess it’s another 1000 post day on rumors.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 30, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess if Bosh is going to Miami
Maybe that convinces LeBron he can’t stay in Cleveland. He knows if he wants to compete with Miami he has to go to Chicago or New Jersey.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 10:40 AM CDT reply actions
a miami with wade and bosh and nothing else is no better than our team
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
He'd have to come here..
since New Jersey as it stands isn’t remotely competitive. Favors needs some time to develop, and isn’t a sure thing.
by NerdVernacular on Jun 30, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
? It's more than competitive
If they sign say LeBron, Joe Johnson or LeBron and Lee. Plenty of options for them. Lopez is very good.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Seriously
The current talent level on the Nets is as good or better than the Bulls by any objective standard. The only reason for Lebron not to go to NJ is the Newark thing.
by hitlesswonder on Jun 30, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
12-70 vs 41-41
are you sure the roster changes so far make that big a difference?
if they get Bron and JJ/Bosh
I’m sure they are winning more than 41 games.
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
He said CURRENT talent level
And they didn’t get that much better by trading Yi and adding Favors. Our talent is better than theirs right now.
Only because of Luol Deng.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Right, but Lopez >> Noah. Courtney Lee & Terrence Williams >>>>> nothing
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
How can you be arguing on the behalf of an Eastern Conference team that won 12 GAMES?!
by pooriejay on Jun 30, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because I'm not simple.
A lot of the guys that helped the Bulls win 41 games are now gone. New Jersey just got rid of them all before this season. Here’s what’s left.
Rose >>> Harris Deng >>> Lee James === James Bosh === Bosh Noah < Lopez Gibson = Williams Johnson < Favors
now, if I was comparing Hinrich, MIller, half-season of Thomas, Salmons, Murray, Warrick to Jianlian, CDR, Josh Boone, Trenton Hassell, sure, it was a lot better than what the Nets had. But we’re not comparing last season’s bench, are we?
I’m not saying they are better or even equal, just that’s not a HUGE difference. There is a reason they are in this discussion.
Derrrr…
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 30, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What about this equation?
Bosh + Noah > Bosh + Lopez
I don't think it works.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
That equation is true
J-you can rip on my spelling in text but not my math. Bosh and Noah synergistic play would be greater than Bosh and Lopez because of how the players complement each other.
Heh. I don't think so.
Who do the other teams guard? You guard either one-on-one and most nights you’re screwed. You double either and the other will murder you.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
gibson is better than williams in this case. williams becomes useless
with lebron and bosh on the same team as him. how many good perimeter role players are there who cant shoot at all?
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
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In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Don't underestimate the impact
of trading away Yi
That team had Hinrich!
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jun 30, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
They have talent
buy your statement about their talent level compared to the Bulls is incorrect.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
I don't think the Bulls are THAT much better.
They are better, but only relative to how much Deng is better than Courtney Lee.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I didn't even want to drill down into the details
even though Courtney Lee to Luol Deng is a huge gap in my mind. Role player SG off the bench vs a top 10 SF.
I just wanted to point out that his statement that the Nets are “objectively” as good or better, was BS.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
by runningman on Jun 30, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But it would be a Top 10 SF at SG.
And yes, he’s a lot better, but lee improved his first two years. Deng hasn’t yet. If Lee improves some more, then the gap, on the team as a whole, isn’t a huge one.
i agree with the latter point.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I didn't watch much (any) of NJ
but Lee’s stats didn’t show an improvement from his rookie year. Per 36 minutes, he’s the same player. The only significant change was that his 3 point shooting fell off a cliff once he left Orlando’s system, and they were no longer wide open.
Maybe there were injuries, or growth within the year that the stats don’t show. Like I said, I only saw him against the Bulls.
I do find it hard to buy that Devin Harris, Lee, Terrence Williams, Humphries, Lopez, CDR are all average to above average players and yet the Nets almost set the record for losses. Some of those players are simply bad players, and will continue to show only flashes of potential while being mostly bad players.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Sure... they aren't a big improvement, but he was better across the board.
The only thing he wasn’t better at was 3pt shooter. Every other category he improved in. If not a lot, at least some. FTA, fouls, steals, assists, rebounds. That’s good to me. yes, minor, but across the board.
How many games does this team win?
Rose – Alston
Lee – Williams – CDR
Jianlian – Hassell
Boone – Humphries
Noah – Hayes
win? Not too many more.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
but
they looked good on paper even before last season, and it was one of the worst ever. i’m not saying that record is right for that talent level, but it still makes it hard for lebron to leave the best record in the league team for the worst. wouldn’t be an easy decision to make
On the other hand, he lift that team to new heights.
With Bosh on his side, Favors on the bench, and role players, they’d have legitimate shots at championships. Even if they only win 2 in the next 5 years, he would be the savior of that franchise, and they’d be relevant, and with Prochorav. I just don’t think it’s as certain as everyone thinks.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
It makes me sick thinking about it...
But what’s Plan C? After Lebron/Bosh and Johnson/Boozer, there’s really no one worth throwing max money around for. Amare seems like a lock for NY, and Dirk and Pierce are most likely staying with their current teams.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 30, 2010 10:41 AM CDT reply actions
That would be pretty shitty
David Lee and Anthony Morrow = FAIL
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Jun 30, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree
It’s likely a better team than last year.
by hitlesswonder on Jun 30, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Still trapped in NBA hell...
Of mediocrity.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 30, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe David Lee, Ray Allen, keep Deng, Korver, some other guys?
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 30, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
That would be sad
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Surely
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 30, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Amare is a lock for NY?
The same guy who made progress resigning with PHX? See that’s why you can’t get worried about this crap. You have a guy being a lock somewhere else, when he’s apparently going to resign with his own team.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
"You have a guy being a lock to somewhere else, when he's apparently going to resign with his own team."
Hope that’s not LeBron!
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 30, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well considering my subject line refers to Amar'e
I think it’s clear that’s not who I was talking about.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
It was
I’m just saying, I hope the same isn’t true for LeBron who was a “lock” for the Bulls not too long ago.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 30, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Amare may not be a lock for NY
But KC Johnson said on DT’s podcast that the Bulls don’t have any interest in Amare.
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Jun 30, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
You're right...
Staying in Phoenix is also a likely scenario for him.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 30, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
David Lee + Johnson
David Lee + Ray Allen + Brendan Haywood
David Lee + Mike Miller + Brendan Haywood + Kyle Lowry
David Lee + Nate Robinson + Brad Miller + Mike Miller
David Lee + Josh Childress
Luis Scola + Josh Childress + Nate Robinson + Brad Miller
Not as sexy or awesome as plans A and B, but there are options. We’ll definitely have opportunities to improve as a team.
Then there’s also this option:
Amare (max) + Johnson (max) + poop sandwich
I'll definitely take Amare/Johnson/poop sandwich
Since the first 5 suggestions are all poop sandwiches minus the superstar(s).
by pooriejay on Jun 30, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If we could sign Amare and Johnson for reasonable deals, sure.
But if we max both out, I’d much rather have David Lee + others (assuming we sign them to reasonable contracts, too).
You clearly underestimate David Lee.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 30, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm guessing he's waiting by the phone.
He’s been playing in Greece the past two years. Do you think he got worse over the last two years? I think it’s more probable he got better. Even if he’s the same, he’s a guy who can score pretty efficiently (16-17 PER), plays good defense, and works well in a team setting.
i still think LeBron is coming here
and like others have said, Wade/Bosh in Mia and James to the Bulls is great for the NBA. the east has a few awesome teams, the west is still competitive, everyone wins.
I'd give Lee or Dirk the max
before Amare/Johnson/Boozer, all in that order. I heard Bucher on the radio this morning saying the Bulls are interested in Boozer and I think the idea stinks. You don’t pay the max to old, injury prone players who aren’t even good.
I think JJ and Lee could win the Bulls a championship, but that’s a really small window with Derrick still progressing and JJ about to fade.
I think the Bulls are interested in Boozer
because they think they don’t have to offer him the max. Or at least a low max offer.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I think that's the way they're going to go
Try for LeBron/Bosh, if that doesn’t work try for LeBron/low-max like JJ/Boozer/hopefully Lee. Asik is already in the Berto and they probably want to keep him around now since they invested in him. The front office has to be smart enough to realize Lee > Boozer though…
Lee probably could be had for the same amount as Boozer so that's a possiblity as well
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I would love to get Lee/LBJ as the combo.
What are LBJ’s feelings about Lee, though? I hope GarPaxDorf at least gauge his interest.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 30, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
If we could sign Amare and Johnson for reasonable deals, sure.
But if we max both out, I’d much rather have David Lee + others (assuming we sign them to reasonable contracts, too).
by arjoseph on Jun 30, 2010 10:54 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Lee and others = Ron Mercer and Brad Miller
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 30, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am so tired of two things with this.
One is the Bulls are not a loyal franchise when all you can do in the past 20 years is look at all the loyalty.
66 million over 2 years to Jorday
Paying Jordan while playing baseball
Arranging a sweet S&T for Pippen
Giving a homeless Randy Brown a job
Paying Jay Williams after the motorcycle crash.
Helping a struggling/homeless Bob Love
Numerous players having some job with the organization.
Number 2 is the luxury tax thing. Why is it bad that Reinsdorf has never paid the tax??? Has he ever had a chance or reason to? To me that is someone who is more business savvy then we give credit. But I guess the people who report don’t realize that the Bulls are smart for not paying the luxury tax from Ben Wallace, Captain Kirk, Ben Gordon and Luol Deng. If you can’t look past the fact that it isn’t because he is cheap but because he made good decisions as to why the Bulls have never paid the luxury tax, then so be it I guess.
by niuhuskie224 on Jun 30, 2010 10:56 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Jorday = Jordan
DOH! Little fired up with all the stupidity out there.
by niuhuskie224 on Jun 30, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
umm
Why is it bad that Reinsdorf has never paid the tax???
Because players want money. They play the game. Besides, JR already makes piles of cash without any of these free agents.
JR gets the “savvy” title, but realistically he’s one of the best at getting taxpayers to give him their money.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 30, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
But what I am saying is
he never paid the tax to garbage. I trust he will pay the tax when the time is right, as is, paying multiple players the max if championships are pretty close to guaranteed.
by niuhuskie224 on Jun 30, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
And by garbage
this team hasn’t been close to a championship so why pay that tax.
by niuhuskie224 on Jun 30, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Jerry hasn't paid the tax because he's done such a shit job with the money spent under the tax.
Now that we have some big breaks (mainly Rose) signed at way below market value for a few years, it’s an actual reason to go under the tax.
What I’m really saying is, the worse a team that you build while staying under the tax combined with fans continuing to go see your product, the less reason there is to go into the tax.
So you’re right, but it has nothing to do with being smart, more to do with terrible decisions putting us nowhere near a competitive chance with or without the tax, making going into the tax less attractive.
I disagree
Yes we fell into Rose. But it isnt as though there was a better alternative. The NBA is what it is. Very rarely do you find special talent outside the top 5 and the Bulls picked outside that a lot and got the corresponding talent. To not go into the tax like other teams that were as bad or worse (Knicks) is being smarter with your money. Doesn’t mean you are cheap, it is just the reality of the NBA.
by niuhuskie224 on Jun 30, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think part of Reinsdorf’s pitch to Lebron will be he isn’t against ever paying luxury tax, he’s just against paying bad luxury tax. For example if the Bulls sign Lebron and get to the cap limit, I don’t think Reinsdorf will hesitate for a moment in extending Rose and Noah when the time comes because it would keep a championship caliber team on the court. Just like how it happened with Jordan. He had Jordan for very cheap money at first, and obviously it’s an owner’s job to pay as little money as possible. But when the time came Reinsdorf was willing to pay the big money to keep MJ and to in turn keep an elite team on the court.
Oh and there is a rumor Pippen would be part of the Bulls party that goes to Ohio…so much for Wade saying the organization is disloyal.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, because paying Pippen some appearance fee changes the fact that
Jordan, Pippen, Grant, Rodman, Kerr and the other quality players from our best era have nothing to do with the team anymore.
You can’t really talk about a guy that never really played for us (Williams) and Stacey King as being this “team full of former players, what a loyal team.”
I’m not saying that helping Love and paying Williams wasn’t a very good thing to do, but I think Wade’s point was more of “where are all the stars.” Because in 20 years, Wade will be a Pippen, Grant, Jordan type player when we think of him, not Stacey King, Jay Williams or Lindsey Hunter.
It’s a lot easier to be loyal to the role players, the guys that don’t have as big of egos, the guys that no other team is competing for after their careers are over. It’s much harder to keep a Jordan or Pippen or Ewing or Hakeem involved with the franchise. Wade’s point may have been in poor taste and served no real personal interest, it was probably emotional/off the cuff, but I think it is a valid point, albeit not completed relevant.
But how often are you seeing big stars in the office anywhere?
Your only stars in that list above are Jordan and Pippen. Jordan wanted to buy part of the Bulls and Reinsdorf said no thanks. It isn’t his job as an owner to sell to Jordan.
With Pippen, should we have reached out sooner, sure. But we are now.
Rodman never wanted anything to with the NBA after he retired. Grant wanted to be the man, left Chicago and is nowhere. Kerr was never a star and had played on more teams then Chicago.
And you can talk about Williams because that is a good owner, a loyal owner to his players. You helped Williams out when you could have said, you’re an idiot and walked away from him.
by niuhuskie224 on Jun 30, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually Pippen has been constantly been involved with the Bulls
in various ways since he left. They brought him back when he was old and couldn’t play and paid him to sit on the bench. Then they paid him to be an analyst for the team. They would have let him be an assistant coach, but he wanted to go straight to being a head coach. He’s always had a good relationship with the Bulls and your “appearance fee” crack is misguided.
Jordan owns a team, Reinsdorf wasn’t selling the Bulls to him. If Wade plans to own the team, he won’t get that in Miami either.
Rodman played with the team for 3 years, besides, what job do you think he’s fit for?
Paxson played a bigger role in his career with the Bulls than Steve Kerr. Why should Kerr get the GM job over him? BJ Armstrong also worked for the organization. Besides, I thought role players weren’t important.
Bill Cartwright was as important as Horace Grant and he had various roles including coach of the Bulls.
The players that didn’t come back, didn’t come back for good reasons. Your list is arbitrary and cherry picked. Apparently if they didn’t come back, they were a star, if they did they were role players.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
by runningman on Jun 30, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
lmao
at Rodman not getting a job with the Bulls
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
even though lebron,bosh,amare,boozer dont come here
im still pretty high about our future..ROSE will be the man
I am a big fan of what Bill Simmons said last night.
If the Knicks get Joe Johnson and Amare, you have to love that you are the 2004 suns WITHOUT Steve Nash.
High comedy.
by niuhuskie224 on Jun 30, 2010 10:58 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Oh god, the knicks make it so easy to hate them. They spend years tearing down their roster for Joe Johnson and Amare? The same Joe Johnson who last season couldn’t lead a much deeper team to success? The same Amare who is so much of an injury risk that the team who just went to the WCF with him don’t want to give him the money the Knicks will. And now the Knicks have the balls to say JJ is better than Lebron. It’s going to be so much fun watching them commit the next 5 years of their salary cap to a roster that will never get past the 2nd round, and that’s their best case scenario.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Knicks fans might actually enjoy five years of the second round
after the decade they’ve just had.
by arjoseph on Jun 30, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
This could all be a
smoke screen, a little missdirection by the Knicks
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jun 30, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Consider it’s the Knicks, I don’t think they’re smart enough to do misdirection.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
We waived Kurz and Richard
via realgm-
“The Chicago Bulls announced that the team has waived forwards Rob Kurz and Chris Richard.
Kurz (6-9, 230), 25, signed with the Bulls as a free agent on April 9, 2010. He did not make an appearance in a Bulls uniform during his time with the team.
Richard (6-9, 256), 25, played in 18 games last season with Chicago and averaged 2.1 ppg, 3.3 rpg and 12.4 mpg.
by NerdVernacular on Jun 30, 2010 11:00 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
yay we can sign 4 max players now!
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jun 30, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Antoine Walker at the MLE
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
And then use a time machine to go back 10 years to when they were good
The question is, can a 11-year-old Derrick Rose run the point for a championship team? I’m going with yes.
Brad Miller is god.
In all seriousness, I'm happy he's going there, as long as it doesn't cost us Lebron
The guy is a creep and he hasn’t won shit. It’s been obvious since day one that he was a total bimbo, and anyone that didn’t think he would end up on South Beach hasn’t been paying attention. I still really doubt that Lebron wants to make this Superteam bullshit his legacy. And if he doesn’t, Chicago is now an even more logical choice than it was before because he’s gonna need a team like ours to compete with Miami. I guess we’ll know fairly soon how this pans out, but the bottom line is: FUCK Chris Bosh.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
no, LOVE Chris Bosh
don’t listen to him Chris, he’s burned out from rumoring!
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"Don't nag, flag!"
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 30, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
haha, that second part is so true
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 30, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
agree he is a bimbo
that’s why i find it impossible to believe lebatard’s. if it was a “done deal”, bosh would not have sent that giddy-high-school-girl tweet last night wondering who was going to take him to the prom.
by neifi on Jun 30, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I remember an article earlier this year saying Lebron said his ideal sidekick in this FA class would be JJ. And it surprised people who thought the logical choice would be Bosh. Maybe Lebron knows Bosh better than the rest of us and knows he may be good as a buddy and as an olympic teammate but he doesn’t want to be on the same team as him.
And during the summit Lebron/Wade/Bosh had I heard that the only reason they didn’t make a verbal commitment right there to play for Miami is because Lebron wanted to here Chicago’s pitch. Which means that Wade and Bosh were for it and only Lebron doesn’t want to be there.
My current prediction is Bulls get Lebron and JJ, Heat get Wade and Bosh, and the Bulls beat the Heat 4-0 in the ECF.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol at this
@johnhollinger Knicks’ “three FAs will each take $5 mil/yr less because we’re the greatest place on Earth” strategy redefines the term dead on arrival.
by JLbuLL on Jun 30, 2010 11:02 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
'Zactly what I tried to scream from the hilltop yesterday.
No way three players in their prime take less than max. Union would spit nickels.
by Bin Bin on Jun 30, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Love that you think the player's union
who everyone already assigns a loss to for the upcoming CBA negotiations, is somehow the most powerful force here.
The players won’t take that much less, because the players don’t want 5 million less a year. It’s not because the union thinks it’s a bad idea, it’s because they do.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Knicks are getting busy with visits
Ray Allen, Mike Miller, Luke Ridnour, and Kyle Korver all on the bill for NYK
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 30, 2010 11:04 AM CDT reply actions
according to Rotoworld.com and the New York Post
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 30, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Not to be overshadowed by their courting of
Joe Johnson and LeBron James tomorrow as well
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 30, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope the Pippen rumors are true.
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
by tyrus4prez on Jun 30, 2010 11:09 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
that he's affiliated with the bulls again
and will be part of the group that goes to try to recruit lebron
JR can afford to buy one for him
minus the buyer’s remorse of course
he would be joining
Pax, Forman, JR and Thibs to Akron to recruit LeBron
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
that would be pretty sweet
hopefully Rose would join them as well. Pippen’s on cloud 9 after his court victory.
by NerdVernacular on Jun 30, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
He is going to bring his tears
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
That would be awesome.
And really smart from the Bulls’ perspective to have a direct counter to Wade’s bullshit slander of the franchise.
At least it's an upgrade from Benny the Bull
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Jun 30, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
link below
League sources said the Bulls’ traveling party to Ohio is expected to include team Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf, senior vice president John Paxson, general manager Gar Forman and possibly Thibodeau. A rumor that former great Scottie Pippen would attend couldn’t be corroborated, though there has been contact between the organization and its six-time NBA champion.
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
I think you'd need Thibodeau
to sell a player on strategy, X’s & O’s, etc..
by NerdVernacular on Jun 30, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
If Thibs doesn't go
I expect an investigation
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
Pete Myers should go
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Pete Myers is an asshole
I hope he doesn’t go.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Jun 30, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
ROAD TRIP!
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I wonder how much Cash we gave Pippen
to say the Bulls were very loyal to me.
I'm so tired of "I'm so tired" posts.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'm fed up with
I’m so tired of “I’m so tired” posts.
by NerdVernacular on Jun 30, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
There's been a lot of those?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
No, just trying to start an infinite loop..
Huskie caught on.
by NerdVernacular on Jun 30, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Why? It's tiring. People need to vent somewhere
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 30, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
My Final Prediction on this...
Lebron and Boozer to Chicago
Bosh and Wade to Miami
Amare and Johnson to New York
Lee to ?
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
I'll jump in on the prediction game, too:
Amare stays in Phoenix
J. Johnson and Lee to the Knicks
Bosh and Wade to Miami
Rudy Gay to the Nets … and maybe Pierce, if the Celtics balk at paying him the max
LeBron and Boozer to the Bulls, although I’d obviously prefer LBJ/Bosh or perhaps LBJ/JJ.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 30, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
my choices for lebron
1 nets <good core, intruiging owner>
2 chi <good core, hmm owner?>
3 miami
I like it I think you can put the Nets and Bulls neck to neck ..
I wouldn’t be shocked if he ends up in NJ.
i created a prediction fanpost
http://www.blogabull.com/2010/6/30/1545044/free-agent-predictions
no love :(
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
If Lebron declares here, I think we overpay JJ before we sign Boozer.
Unless Lebron absolutely prefers Boozer (haven’t even heard that as a rumor) or Boozer becomes considerably cheaper than JJ (haven’t heard that either).
JJ has shown interest in NY and Chicago. Has links to both orgs. Rumors of pre deals with each team have been consistent and figures quotes are around max level. So I don’t think Chicago has an issue paying JJ near the max, especially if Lebron comes here.
Don’t forget, there’s also no shooting guard on the team at the moment. Though with Taj at the 4, it’s not like there’s an average/above average 4 on the team either (Considering Noah a 5 mostly, if you want to call him a 4 then there’s a gaping hole at the 5).
Either way, I don’t think it’s likely Boozer is here over JJ unless something like Wade or Ray Allen to Chicago becomes a reality (thus SG hole is filled).
If we have Bron
I think shooting guard becomes less important. You don’t need two awesome wings. It would still be nice to have a PF who could generate offense. If we can’t get Bron + Bosh, I’d actually love if we could do Bron + Lee. You can pick up any cheap shooter or defense specialist to throw in the SG slot.
Bron+Lee would be doable without moving anyone in S&T, too, because of Lee's lower max.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 30, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
My ultimate BaB prediction
LeBron and Boozer to NY
Bosh and Wade in MIA
Lee and JJ to CHI
1 SoulEater7 suicide.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 30, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Lebron and JJ to Chicago, Bulls trade Deng for Gortat/Pietrus and then sign another shooter like Redick/Morrow/Korver or maybe even Ray Allen if ring chasing is more important to him than money.
Bosh and Wade to Miami.
Amare and Gay to NY
Boozer to New Jersey.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
If the Bulls sign Bron and JJ
They won’t have the cap space to sign another shooter unless they dump Deng for cap relief.
I think at least one of those shooters are willing to sign for the minimum.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Because they hate money?
Would you sign for a quarter of your current salary so you can be a minor employee at some big company?
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Vets have taken paycuts in the past to join contenders. Artest and Wallace are 2 recent examples, it’s not common but it isn’t unheard of.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
That's an awesome example.
That quarter of his current salary is still far more than any regular person makes, and more to the point, if they haven’t wasted money they are already well for life to begin with. Do a lot of guys do it? No, but there are a couple every year who take less money to play for a ring.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
The Redicks, Morrows, and Korvers
of the league are not flush with cash, and are not set for life. They make a lot more than the average Joe and also spend a lot more to support their lifestyle. They haven’t made that much yet, and there’s no guarantee they make that much after this contract if they get injured or the shooting percentages drop.
Are any of those players who take less coming off a rookie contract? We’re not talking about 30+ year old vets who already made 10 milllion a year at some point. Ray Allen could take less to win a ring, but he already won a ring and already indicated he wants 8-9 million, so he’s not playing for the minimum either.
So yes, it is an awesome example.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
If Lee is available and we take Boozer
That’d be kind of annoying. I mean I don’t give a shit if we have LeBron we can start a random fan at PF if you really want, but Lee just seems like a much better option to me.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Completely agree
David Lee is younger, better, and less injury prone. But, according to reports the Bulls looking at Bosh or Boozer at PF.
by TooMuch2Gain on Jun 30, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Not if you
have Bron, they better have Bron(especially if Lee’s an option)
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jun 30, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree.
I won’t be pissed, of course. I’d actually be quite happy, but I’d like to think they’d give Lee a fair shake.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 30, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
How excited is the four-letter that the World Cup won't interfere with their FA coverage?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Did anyone listen to ESPN1000 around 5ish last night.
There was interview with someone talking about how we shouldn’t go for Lebron because we should support the home town kid in Derrick Rose and Lebron will stunt his growth. In addition he argued Rose would take the big shots.
You could tell CJH were ready to just jump all over this guy for being an idiot.
Yeah, haven’t you heard, it happens all the time, obviously Lebron will stunt Rose just like MJ stunted Pippen’s growth.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I also think it's funny that the people who say Rose and LBJ wouldn't fit together
are the same ones that think he should go play with Wade.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 30, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That might
have been Stephen Bardo spitting that bullshit,
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jun 30, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
i assume most of the people who still call in to sports radio shows
do so because they don’t know how to operate a computer.
by umidontknow on Jun 30, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
he's lucky he didnt call the score from 1-5
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
No it wasn't a caller
it was a columnist. I can’t remember his name though.
Gotta remember this stuff.
by niuhuskie224 on Jun 30, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Ha.. B&B do not play.
They’d probably taken the guys address and burned his house down. ESPN is much kinder/friendlier to the less educated callers.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah it was Steven Bardo
it was right when I got off work at 5.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 30, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes
That’s is it.
Awful. Simply terrible.
by niuhuskie224 on Jun 30, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
BTW, how many more hours there before free agency?
im from Philippines, it’s 12am here
by JLbuLL on Jun 30, 2010 11:34 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
11 1/2
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
yeah thanks guys
should be online by 12 noon :D
Your in the future? Who are we signing?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jun 30, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I suggest you use the Lebron tracker at ESPN
with it’s helpful countdown.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/feature/index?page=LeBron-Tracker
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Why is NJ in the hunt for PFs like Boozer, Bosh, and Amare?
The Nets have Favors and Lopez, does not make sense. Unless they want to trade Favors.
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2010 11:37 AM CDT reply actions
Yeah, I can see Favors being a trade chip for Bosh, especially.
That would be a nice return for Toronto.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 30, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Because those guys are better than Favors right now.
And teams need depth. How awesome would it be that, for the first couple years, Favors only has to concentrate on coming in and being a catalyst or something. And then he’ll be a trade chip.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Favors is not close to a finished product
If they want to win now, they still need more big man talent.
Favors should actually be able to backup both PF and C as he has good size.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
yep
he can be like Thomas was his rookie year. Just come in and do what you do.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Your last sentence kind of answers your own question.
They can trade him, and he’s unproven, they have no idea if he’s legit. Stockpile the talent and then figure out how to fit it later.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm going with:
James and Bosh to Chicago
Amare, Gay and Wade to Miami
Joe Johnson and Boozer to NYK
David Lee, Channing Frye and Travis Outlaw to the Nets
Al Harrington and John Salmons to the Clippers
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Channing Frye could be a good pickup -- a solid sixth-man type.
But someone’s going to overpay for him.
Well, maybe not. The market is so saturated, some of these guys might have to live with less than what they were hoping for.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 30, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
That would be so Clipperish
to get Fish and Al Gunna
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jun 30, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn’t consider many of those guys who are not top two tiers…I should have added Dirk stays in Dallas and Pierce stays in Boston.
There are a lot of other interesting pieces available that I do not have the time to speculate…including Tyrus, Al Harrington, Darko, Childress, Gay, Felton…and the list goes on…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 30, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Everyone here has the time to speculate
by YaoPau on Jun 30, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps I should have said energy to speculate…I would like Morrow or Reddick to land with the Bulls, I would be okay with Childress as a player…Felton would be a solid back-up for Rose…but, I can’t begin to speculate where Salmons, Harrington, McGrady, Ray Allen, etc would go…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 30, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I know you didn't
And I didn’t really consider them too much, either. Mostly considering the teams with the cap space and seeing how they could fill out the teams if there is a small concentration of players in Chicago and/or Miami and/or New York.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I love that scenario, but if James comes here, Luol is likely on the move.
I don’t have a problem fitting Lebron in at the 2 spot, but I could see the Bulls moving Deng so they can have a more conventional lineup.
So who would you fill in at the 2 if we already have Rose-X-Lebron-Bosh-Noah and some more cap space? I like Josh Childress and Ronnie Brewer.
I would be ecstatic if we could fill the two spot with Ronnie Brewer…he is probably the best available affordable two guard available…much better than Morrow or Reddick…I actually forgot he was RFA this summer…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 30, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I think everybody expects Memphis to resign him
because they traded a 2011 first rounder for him. He could be had for the right money, but probably not on the cheap.
I like Luol Deng infinitely more than those guys.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 30, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Me too
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 30, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
So do I, but I'm asking what the best option is if the Bulls trade him,
because I don’t think that the team would slide in James at the two. It’s too unconventional for this team.
slide Deng into the two.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
U being difficult intentionally?
I posed a simple question based off the premise that I don’t see the Bulls playing an unconventional lineup with a SF at the 2(They did the exact opposite with Salmons, but that was because Lu was injured). If the Bulls insist on playing a 2 guard at the 2, as I believe they will, which FA do you think will fit in best? Just utting the question out there because I think it might be relevant.
I don't think the Bulls are dumb enough to get worse due to position designation.
What possible benefit does that provide?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'm not saying that it makes a lot of sense,
but I don’t think this team is an outside-the-box team and would like to have a real 2 guard. Also, this team is very poor beyond the arch, and this team could conceivably be better off with some actual three point shooting threats. There’s also the fact that Rose and Noah will be in line for big extensions soon, and getting Deng’s contracts off the books would make it more of a sure thing that Jerry ponies up when the time comes.
That's fine.
I just disagree.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
The same purpose the Lakers putting Odom on the bench
or the Spurs with Ginobli.
If you have a lack of depth, and more than enough firepower in the starting lineup to be effective, you can consider bringing a good player off the bench, especially if he plays the same position as a better starter.
If the Bulls had a team full of all stars + Noah at every position but the two, and nobody “good” on the bench but Taj, they could certainly consider starting one of their summer league guards at the 2 and having Luol lead the second unit.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
I would love LBJ6 and Dirk! ( pie in the sky)
Rose
LBJ
Deng
Dirk
Noah
by SoulEater7 on Jun 30, 2010 11:43 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Chris Broussard is unreal.. he's now giving the edge to Cleveland..
Coming up with away to keep him there..
Shaq
Bosh
James
Allen
Williams
This was his scenario.
Im assuming the Allen is Ray Allen
how does that happen?
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
Mid-Level Exception
Cavaliers are over the cap
by TooMuch2Gain on Jun 30, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
What makes you think Allen would sign for just the MLE?
He can easily get more than that. I don’t consider the best 3-point shooter of all time a “ring chaser.” He’s not Eddie House.
Well, I was saying what Broussard was reporting on ESPN.com
he probably could get more than that
by TooMuch2Gain on Jun 30, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus he already has a ring
I’m sure he’ll take another one, but it can’t be as high of a priority as financial security as this will be his last contract.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
No way does Bosh
want to play in Cleveland. That’s a big step down from Toronto and he wants out of there ASAP.
by NerdVernacular on Jun 30, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Bosh has said he doesnt want to play in Cleveland.
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jun 30, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I heard that earlier this morning.
He’s been all over the place this week. He just doesn’t want to be wrong, and now he’s getting cold feet about where LeBron is going.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 30, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
The logic is correct that Lebron would probably stay in Cleveland if they pull off a spectacular move like that. But the problem is they won’t. If Bosh wants to play with Lebron that badly he’d agree to go to Chicago on July 1.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Executing a S+T will be more difficult than expected for the Chicago Bulls
Here’s why: If we dealt Taj and JJ that will not be enough in salaries to make a S+T work for a max contract like Bosh. Secondly, Deng does not have much value in the NBA. The Bulls were trying to give him up for nothing before the draft was about to hit. The Bulls couldn’t move him and the team that we expect to make the S+T work (The Raptors) don’t have a need for Deng with the price they are paying with Hedo and Derozan as their upcoming prospect. They are probably looking to rebuild at this point, rather than taking on more salary.
Secondly: I could not see a team like the Raptors, or Cavs assisting us with building a dynasty that could last 8+ years. The Bulls don’t have much to offer to make other teams want to “help” us build a championship winner. Cleveland has already stated that they will in no way partake in a S+T for LeBron.
So if the Bulls cannot do a S+T then what should the Bulls do?
Conclusion: Bulls should go after Lee (who will not sign for the max) then pair him with LeBron. This team would be a championship contender with Rose, LeBron, Lee, Noah, Deng, and Taj. I would love if the Bulls could pull of that coup.
i thought salaries don't have to match for a S&T
I swear I read that around here somewhere…am I mistaken?
They don't
as long as one team, like the Bulls is under the cap. The Bulls could give back Taj and draft picks for Bosh, and it would be legal.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
You are wrong.
The Bulls need to shed 3.5 million to be able to two max contracts. Taj is at 1.03 M and JJ is at 1.59, even if we add those players together it’s 2.62, not enough room.
by TooMuch2Gain on Jun 30, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
He's not wrong.
All he said is that “it would be legal,” not that it would be enough to allow us to sign two max FAs.
Exactly
I wasn’t commenting on anything except the specific question that SidM asked. Salaries do not have to match in a S&T.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Actually, the Bulls could use Hakim Warrick's
rights to sign and trade to send back to the Raptors. Picks, Deng, JJ, and a re-signed Warrick to meet the 125% rule. That would allow the Bulls to land Bosh, sign Lebron outright, then have additional space for adding pieces.
Or maybe go about it in a different order to have the MLE, BAE and the Kirk trade exception available at their disposal. Kinda murky, but something like that can take place.
To have the max cap space
the Bulls need to renounce everyone’s rights. Kirk’s trade exception is also not available because they’re under the cap.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Not looking for MAX cap space.
Looking for one max contract to start. while keeping exceptions available. I know that renouncing all players along with the Kirk deal open up the 30 mil of cap space, but I’m thinking along the lines of an order of operations to maintain those exceptions and make Kirk’s exception available after all is said and done…
Kirk's exception will not be available period
and the Bulls have to renounce everyone’s salary, to clear cap space. Otherwise, they’ll still have Brad Miller’s 18 million dollar cap hold, along with 6 million for Warrick and 5 million for Joe Alexander. They would not be able to sign even a single max contract.
What you are proposing is impossible under the current rules. I wish I could link you to a complete explanation, but Shamsports is down and I don’t feel like searching for another source which is as clear.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
I know how to navigate the pages of the CBA, Coon's FAQ, and Salary pages.
What I’m proposing isn’t literally impossible, but the Bulls situation may not exactly allow it. I was looking to create a post, but don’t have the time to combine necessary information, but here is an example of what I was thinking.
roster charge $473,604
roster charge $473,604
roster charge $473,604
roster charge $473,604
roster charge $473,604
Kirk $9,000,000
Luol Deng $11,345,000
Derrick Rose $5,546,160
Joakim Noah $3,128,536
James Johnson $1,713,600
Taj Gibson $1,117,680
LeBron James: $16,568,908
MLE $5,600,000
BAE $2,000,000
Total: $58,387,904
Cap Number $56,000,000
Cap Room ($2,387,904)
Here if you renounce the MLE and BAE, you’re well under before the Kirk Deal. But if the Kirk deal were a 3-way, sending out Kirk(Was), Seraphin (Was), Deng (Tor), Taj (Tor) bringing the Bulls over the cap, but meeting 125% rule to bring back Bosh…
I’m trying to understand what triggers the exceptions becoming available again, like the case of Orlando signing Rashard Lewis. I’m looking for loopholes man…
There's no evidence that the Bulls
were trying to give up Deng for nothing.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
as in "nothing" I mean salary cap room
the Clippers trade was just that, except we were going to trade picks with the Clippers
by TooMuch2Gain on Jun 30, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
If you're moving up 10 picks in the draft
then you’re not just getting salary cap room are you? Besides, we have no idea if the Bulls would have done that deal.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
If the Bulls don't get any of the top 3
but still find a way to get both Joe Johnson and Carlos Boozer, I will not be upset.
Rose
Johnson
Deng
Boozer
Noah
is probably the most pure starting 5 in the league in terms of guys that are true to their position. We would be built like the Spurs from their best teams. Throw a 3 pt shooter on the bench, the athletic burst from James Johnson, and the backup PF/C being Taj Gibson and that team is stacked. Slightly undersized up front, would still have problems with the Lakers but would legitimately challenge for the Eastern Conf. for the next 4-5 years even if Bosh/Wade/LBJ all sign in Miami.
Chad Ford a minute ago
chadfordinsider
This one’s picking up lots of steam. Doesn’t mean ’Bron will join RT @IraHeatBeat Heat moving closer to marriage w/Bosh http://bit.ly/dcKqgm
Bulls fan since 1986.
Every day there's a "hot report" for a top FA going to a certain team
The Bulls went through that with Joe Johnson coming here, now it’s seems like a given that he’s going to NY. I’m not concerned at all over this rumor. Today Bosh is going to the Heat, where’s he going to be predicted to go tomorrow, ESPN?
by TooMuch2Gain on Jun 30, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
no way, Bulls will be first there
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think Bosh will hear everyone out, but this is what I've thought all along.
I think the Bulls are going to end up with Boozer and LBJ, or JJ and LBJ, although I’d prefer Lee/LBJ to either.
Fingers crossed, Freddy.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 30, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Freddy Kruger? What's HE got to do with this?
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jun 30, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Failed Freddy Got Fingered reference.
I’m one of five people that actually like that movie, I admit.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 30, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Daddy, would you like some sausage?
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jun 30, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you have a kiss for daddy?
So, that’s how they do it their family.
Oops, wrong movie.
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
by propheteer on Jun 30, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LeBron should be the next sausage king of Chicago.
Screw Abe Froman!
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 30, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chris Boshs' Day Off.
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jun 30, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It seems we're already seeing that on his Twit page.
I hope he finds time to squeeze in trips to the Cubs game, the merc exchange, the museum, a parade and, uh, a pancreas lunch.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 30, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Bulls are trying to trade Deng according to Nick Friedell.
at last that was the gist of it, the Bulls don’t have enough for 2 Max guys. He says tonight the Bulls are going hard for Bosh.
by SoulEater7 on Jun 30, 2010 12:08 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
If Bulls get Bosh before Lebron has made a decision, I’m betting every cent I have that Lebron signs. I think the Bulls have the best chance of all the teams even if they do nothing before Lebron’s decision, if they get Bosh it’s a lock.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would tend to agree with you
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 30, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i would agree
the clippers, for instance, would be foolish not to take Deng for free. He’s better than Gay. Then, voila.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 30, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep.
My opinion also. People bash Deng, but the guy is 25 and not making a shit ton of money. A team like LA, this is their best option at SF.
I realize he’s kind of injury prone, but he plays 60+ games every year at a high level, it’s not like he’s Yao Ming.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It needs to be to a contender
Deng’s value on a bad team drops in my view. On a contending team he’s a critical piece if you have a gap at SF. Productive on offense and great on defense. And he’s still young.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 30, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Clippers are a good team.
With Deng, that’s a very solid roster, assuming they stay healthy. Big assumption, but none the less, this isn’t Timberwolves.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It all comes down to the Bulls' pitch. They've got to think outside the box!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jun 30, 2010 12:09 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Bring the Stanley Cup...
To the meeting in Ohio?
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 30, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd hope they talk about the celebration..
Let him know the difference between a Miami sports celebration and a Chicago sports celebration.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed...that is perfect
since Gar HATES boxes!!
by NormVanBeer on Jun 30, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
s/t with bosh
then washington fucked the kirk deal..LoL what will happen now??
by JLbuLL on Jun 30, 2010 12:09 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
So funny, I was just going to get some lunch
and the guy in front of me had a tinted, black Escalade with license plates that said “Da Bullz”. I was trying to see if it was anyone on the team, but I couldn’t see through the tints. I wonder who it was, or if it was anyone at all
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 30, 2010 12:14 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
It was LeBron
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 30, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dickie Simpkins
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jun 30, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I see Simpkins in my building in the Loop fairly regularly
That’s my guy right there.
by Bin Bin on Jun 30, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
My friend working in the South Loop saw Team LeBron yesterday.
So, you are free to giggle like a schoolgirl.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 30, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
they saw team LeBron with that ugly eyeball?
by SoulEater7 on Jun 30, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Holy shit that thing is creepy!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jun 30, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
do not apologize for what isn't art.
because it isn’t.
New FA to the bulls!!!
I believe it will be Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay, and Carlos Boozer
Deng traded to Orlando for Gortat and Pietrus
We sign either Ray Allen or JJ Redick
So we have like 6 Sgs on the team then?
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
No only two SG's
Joe Johnson and Ray Allen or JJ Redick – SG
Pietrus and Rudy Gay – SF
Gortat and Boozer – PF
by Brutha Bonzo on Jun 30, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Lets
SHUT DOWN THE CATER on this Gortat/Pietrus shit, please!!!!!!!!!!!
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jun 30, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Bosh is still tweeting.
chrisbosh
Sitting with my girlfriend and my boy at the breakfast table, watching Sportscenter. I might not move all day…
by SoulEater7 on Jun 30, 2010 12:19 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
he and derrick could have some really deep conversations.
bosh: it’s funny how what was once the future is now the present
derrick: that’s crazy
by neifi on Jun 30, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 19 recs
recd
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
by blackoutsox on Jun 30, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
you didn't rec it
duh
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 30, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
i hate when people do that
by Scottie's Nose on Jun 30, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I guess the "crazy"
jokes haven’t got old yet. They certainly haven’t for me.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
by runningman on Jun 30, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can someone tell this idiot that all this pub has nothing to do with him
and people are just trying to figure out where Lebron is headed
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 30, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Can't you tweet him yourself?
Wouldn’t you be excited for your future? It’s human nature to see the possibilities, plus all those Benjamins.
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
by propheteer on Jun 30, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What? Are any of these other guy's tweeting?
I know it’s exciting for him, but it’s also incredibly depressing for the city that he’s leaving. Is it human nature to be a heartless dick?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 30, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I doubt they care much
How much does Toronto’s inhabitants really watch the Raptors, or him closely for that matter? It’s on the backburner, just like hoops in Miami.
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
by propheteer on Jun 30, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think you're wrong
Toronto has a large passionate fanbase, and the Raptors finished in the top half in attendance last year despite missing the playoffs. The Heat, Suns, Magic, Bobcats, Bucks and Hawks all finished behind them in playoff years.
When people talk crap about Toronto, it’s usually not an informed opinion. I can understand players wanting to live in the States, but there’s nothing wrong with Toronto as a city or a sports city.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
by runningman on Jun 30, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
My bad
I didn’t realize they were in the top half in attendence. You’re right, I don’t know much about Toronto or its people except I’ve read that it’s a culturally rich, cosmopolitan city. One of the reason why I believed they weren’t very passionate. Kudos to them!
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
by propheteer on Jun 30, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
this shit
confirms to me that even he doesn’t know where he’s going. so reports stating that he does are totally untrue.
by neifi on Jun 30, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I still believe LeBron is the key.. then the others will follow.
by SoulEater7 on Jun 30, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree. Bosh is waiting on Lebron like everybody else.
Maybe the Bulls can get Bosh on the phone while they make their pitch to Lebron.
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jun 30, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know. I think Bosh is going to jump at a situation that will guarantee him the max.
Miami can give it to him through an S&T, and they can get Wade his max. He may realize playing with LeBron is “pie in the sky,” but Wade makes a lot of sense for him, both from a basketball standpoint and a financial one.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 30, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why would Bosh jump at a max?
He should know he will end up with the max at the end of the summer. There’s nothing he gains financially by signing immediately
by diedaily23 on Jun 30, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
convincing bosh to sign here first
will make an irrefusable offer to LeBron might work…
by Scottie's Nose on Jun 30, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree that would be a great move on our half
Sign Bosh and even if we lose out on Bron at least we have 1 guy that actually deserves the max.
by diedaily23 on Jun 30, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sure, he has to know that his signing with the Bulls or the Nets ...
… would help lure LeBron, but still, you never know what LeBron may do. Bosh could see the fact that Wade is already settled in Miami as a perfectly good match.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 30, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
what? might not move all day?
“This just in: sources indicate Bosh might want to stay in Toronto, Chris Broussard reports.”
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
by TheMoon on Jun 30, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Well done
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
by runningman on Jun 30, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Goddamn is he annoying!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jun 30, 2010 12:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
If we lock up Chris Bosh any time soon...
I will be satisfied with whatever comes next, and fuckin thrilled if we land LeBron. Bosh and anyone else works though and it’ll just make Derrick our primary offensive weapon again… cool with me.
by Scottie's Nose on Jun 30, 2010 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Ok. I get that the Bulls want to lock up Bosh right away....
but really, what are they odds of that? I highly doubt he would hear the Bulls pitch and refuse to at least give court to Miami and probably New York.
I think having Bosh on board before we present to LeBron is probably very wishful thinking. Especially with the sign and trade / cap space issue still looming with no immediate resolution.
by bleigh82 on Jun 30, 2010 12:31 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure why people are thinking guys are deciding everything at the stroke of midnight.
This is going to drag on till next week.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 30, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s the thing. It’s like a game of chicken. Noone wants to rush anything (or at least the top tier of players, and most responsible teams) but at the same time if your too slow you could miss out on an opportunity. It’s totally possible that none of the top 3 guys make a move in the first week or even longer, it’s all possible someone makes a deal on day 1 (i.e. Bosh to Chicago) that ends up being the genius move.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But the leakage and rumors get nuts tomorrow..
Which will send this place into a mega-frenzy
by Scottie's Nose on Jun 30, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe when the FA is Ben Gordon, these guys have nothing to lose but TV exposure to let this shit last forever.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 30, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
will lebron agree that bosh makes higher salary than him?
s/t with bosh, bosh’s salary>lebron right?
If Bosh gets a big head Lebron can point to the fact that he’s the most endorsed player in the league to put him in his place. I don’t see Lebron being that sensitive, if sacrificing as little as a million or 2 means Lebron can get a major player on his team I could see him doing it. The guy isn’t exactly struggling for income opportunities.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
He didnt seem to have a problem when Ben Wallace was earning more than him in Cleveland…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 30, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
If Bosh can get the sign and trade.
He could take less up front and make as much or more than Lebron going forward.
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Doc Rivers will return to coach the Celtics, a source close to him confirms to Y! Sports. He will honor the final year of his contract.
Woj
by Option27 on Jun 30, 2010 12:37 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
I presume that makes Pierce even more likely to re-sign.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 30, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
That's news you can use
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 30, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Useful information
This should definitely be green.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
He's getting a raise, too, and he's trying to get Larry Frank in there as an assistant.
Possible replacement next year?
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 30, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I wonder what JOHN has to say about all this
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I think Miami gets Bosh
and the Bulls get Lebron. I’ve always felt that way about it.
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by JustAnotherFan on Jun 30, 2010 12:54 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This is getting fucking insane
If he signs with NJ, than we know he was full of it for saying that all he cares about is winning championships.
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Jun 30, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
And Woj’s article on the matter.
Key part:
The Chicago Bulls are still the team to beat, with Cleveland a close second and New Jersey the looming wild card.
I don’t like him very much but IMO he’s the best source out there.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Even with all the super team Heat rumors yesterday...
I’ve thought all along it would be Bulls or Cavs…with the Nets as a potential sleeper (but, a dark horse).
LeBron to Miami would still shock me. Just don’t see him wanting to share part of his legacy with DWade. Who knows though, Riley can be very convincing they say.
Another thing that could stop him going to the Heat, sure they’d get rings but he would have always have 1 less than Wade.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
see that guy scares me a little. he is basically what lebron wants to be. i can just imagine prokhorov
regaling lebron with stories about how he bought a $59M yacht, put it on water, filled it with beautiful women, then shot at it till it sank. the man has more guns and gets more ass than any 10 NBA players and im slightly worried about his personality and lifestyle and what effect that might have on lebron. plus the jay z thing. plus they are at least close to the bulls in both short and long term prospects.
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No way I'm getting any work done today lol
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by RogersPark Kris on Jun 30, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No way some of us are getting any work or life commitments done in the next week.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Dirk and LBJ------ yes please
@chadfordinsider FWIW, I’m skeptical Bron would join Wade & Bosh in Miami. Think Bulls still have best shot if they could pair ’Bron with Dirk
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by tyrus4prez on Jun 30, 2010 12:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
It’s hard to see Dirk leaving Cuban and Dallas BUT maybe he sees that despite his talent he’s not quite a guy who can lead a team to a ring but would be the ideal number 2? You never know but Dirk to Chicago could just be the move that surprises everyone.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
theres no way
that the bulls sign dirk to a max deal. he would make something like 20 million at his max which means we would have no shot at lebron
I think Mark Cuban would give him 20 million just to see him retire there.
That prices him out of everybody’s range.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
This is what I'm saying.
It doesn’t look like Dirk’s going to win a title in Dallas now, not with the Lakers out there, and not with how strong the East is probably going to get in these next few weeks.
So maybe he takes a little less than what he’d get from Dallas to team up with LeBron, Rose and Noah and goes all the way.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 30, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't be a loser Dirk
Join the East Side!
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 30, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, I think that team would be a lot of fun and pretty damn likeable.
I bet Dirk stays with Mavs…although, if he is willing to take a pay cut, who knows. I don’t see him winning a title in Dallas.
If some people were willing to consider Lebron/Wade/Bosh to Miami as a possibility, even with the pay cuts all 3 would have to accept, surely Dirk taking a few million less to go to Chicago is a possibility (even if unlikely).
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I keep hearing chatter about the new CBA
and how players, especially those who know this is their last or only big pay day, might be less likely to take a pay cut in an effort to chase a title.
You’d think Dirk would be one guy who would maybe consider it though. He has to be burning up inside after having the refs/Wade take a title from him…and also having the embarrassment of the WE Believe Warriors on his resume.
And he could sign a long term 8 figure deal. It’s not as if people are suggesting he play for the MLE. Say 5 years starting at 13 or 14 million (or whatever the exact number is that the Bulls can give after giving Lebron the max). That’s still big time money, and even at that price he’ll probably be getting more than he would with the new CBA.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
And how sweet would it be for him to stick to Wade and the Heat in the ECF?
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 30, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the idea of all of these guys
just sitting around watching ESPN all day. Hopefully ESPN sways them bc the majority of ESPN people are talking about LBJ/Bosh to CHI as the most likely scenario still
Joe Johnson and Carlos Boozer
have both named the Bulls as top free agent destinations for themselves. Hope we don’t miss out on those guys when LBJ stays in CLE, DWade stays in MIA and Bosh lands in NYC
For what it's worth, Woj says ...
New Jersey is pursuing Chris Bosh, too, but multiple league sources insist James isn’t wedded to Bosh as his power forward partner as some have been made to believe. They insist he’s fine with Amar’e Stoudemire(notes) and Carlos Boozer(notes), too.
In other words, if we get Bosh, cool. If not, Boozer will work for LBJ. No mention of Lee, though, damn it.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 30, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I wonder what the Boozer relationship is like.
Given that he would have his championships already in Cleveland if Boozer didn’t bolt out.
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Interesting angle
though I doubt he blames Boozer for getting his. Isn’t Lebron about to do the same?
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Pessimistic imo. I don’t see Lebron staying in Cleveland. And Bosh will join either Wade or Lebron. He just had 7 season of mediocrity, he’s sick of it, he’s not about to sign a long term contract with the Knicks just to be challenging for the 8th seed, like he was with Toronto.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
OK. Let's say Bron stays in Cleveland.
What are the odds Wade reconsiders Chicago knowing he can’t win in Miami without the dream scenario of Bosh-Bron-Wade? That would be pretty funny really.
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Wade and Boozer are more injury prone…and older. we might have to settle for only a couple championships with them :P
excuse me.. this is incorrect
they dont play as old as they are bc they have reduced NBA mileage due to college ball
5 million per in 03/04 and 04/05
Not what he gets on the side for announcing side work.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a huge drop off
And even if it wasn’t, Wade and Boozer are older and injury prone. It’s worse in every possible way.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Slightly?
Perhaps are definitions of slightly are very different, otherwise I have to disagree.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Wade only comes to Chicago imo,
The way the Bulls get Wade is if Lebron re-signs, Bosh signs with the Bulls, Johnson and Amare sign with the Knicks, and Boozer signs with the Nets.
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new one
Adrian Wojnarowski
Amar’e Stoudemire has exercised the opt-out clause in his contract and become an unrestricted free agent, his agent Happy Walters tells Y!
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by Dominicanbull on Jun 30, 2010 1:21 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
One more to the east mix for sure
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by Dominicanbull on Jun 30, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Well that means 2 things.
1. The suns are done as a contender, I fee bad for Nash, it looks like he’ll never get a ring.
2. There’s one more target for the teams with cap space. So it’s less likely any particular team will miss out.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm sure this fits in with the Knicks' "master plan."
Sign Joe Johnson.
Sign Amare Stoudemire.
Trade for Steve Nash at the deadline.
Lose in the second round.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 30, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
They have to bring back Isiah to see what we can get of the mess.
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by Dominicanbull on Jun 30, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Phoe-Knicks Suns!
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 30, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I really wanted to boo you
but I had to reluctantly admit that was a good one.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
I would have gladly taken a boo-urns.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 30, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
F-ing Peter Vescey
Bron to Knicks “imminent”, according to the espn bulls board (grain of salt, I know). can’t find a link. I hate Peter Vescey.
Sorry but I still think
Lebron is not going to join the Bulls.
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by Dominicanbull on Jun 30, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
If he goes to the Knicks.. good riddance.
I think Miami or the Nets, I’d be disappointed, the Knicks though, I’d know we lost a guy who doesn’t care about winning. I just don’t see the Knicks happening. The Nets are the option if he’s going to NY.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I see the Bulls and Nets as the most likely.
It’s 50/50 to 50/50!!!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
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At least the Nets have some promising young talent on their roster and a crazy russian owner who doesn’t know where his $45 million dollar yacht is, it would be fun playing for him. The Knicks have no redeeming qualities except for the city they’re in…which Lebron can visit any day of the week.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to mention that the Nets will be in that very city in two years.
I said it yesterday, if LeBron goes to the Nets, the Knicks’ brand in NYC will be knocked down to second-class citizen status, especially after the Brooklyn arena opens.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 30, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
The good thing is Vescey has literally never been right.
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by Andrew7 on Jun 30, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-5deds-ByU
Wow didn’t see that one coming. I guess they were right when they said this free agency would change the NBA.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 1:31 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Ok, Who Sees A Pattern Here?
Yesterday, Stephen A proclaims the indisputable truth of the Miami Super Team and the (bogus) Miami Summit. All the coverage steers toward Miami.
Last night and early this morning, the Nets kick up a bunch of dust and the coverage focuses on them.
Today, the Knicks start sending out all the smoke signals, and all the mainstream media whores gravitate right to it, proclaiming the deal is imminent and that the Knicks will assemble the Miami dream team instead.
All the while, the Chicago Bulls stay professional and quiet, don’t kick up dust and patiently await their opportunity to address the targets face to face.
Hmmmmmmmmm, one team in the running isn’t acting like a spastic ADD junior high kid. Wonder why….
You know, everything with the Bulls...
i’ts a process.
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by Dominicanbull on Jun 30, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
At least ours is a classy process.
Kobe liked it. Hopefully LeBron does too.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
didn't like it enough
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 30, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
seriously, yfBB, what are your thoughts on
why the Bulls seem to be the only team in contention that’s acting like they’ve been there before. Every other org seems to be spastically freaking out and shooting off every road flare they can find, man.
Thoughts?
Bulls probably know they're getting some good players if they lose out on Lebron.
Other teams can’t be so sure, especially the Knicks. And the Heat have to be worried how things shake out, because if the chips fall a certain way, Wade could bolt to Chicago.
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I think that's it
The Bulls actually have a “plan B” and C where they could realistically win a championship. None of these other teams do.
That’s where it helps to already have a few core players under contract.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Well if he stays, there isn't much we can do.
In my mind we aren’t competing against the Cavs, we’re competing against the other teams. If he wants to be loyal there just isn’t much we can do.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
i thought he just didn't want the bulls to give up Deng
but the Lakers wouldn’t agree to less. Did I imagine that?
I've been thinking the same thing
No one from Chicago, not even the writers , are going crazy. Just staying professional and handling business. If Lebron comes to Chicago, the Bulls knew from the day he lost to the Celtics that he was coming here and they acted like it the whole time.
Anything other than Miami getting Bron, Bosh and Wade is a success
I really think that as long as we fill our 2 and 4 spots, we can beat anyone in the East. I still think we can beat a team of Bron/Bosh/Wade/Scrubs but it wouldn’t be as easy
It would be like the Giants beating the near-perfect Patriots in the superbowl a few years back.
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by The Red Menace on Jun 30, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Amare officially opts out of his contract
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-stoudemiresuns063010
Still in contract discussions with Phoenix.
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For Amare not to get a max deal
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by RogersPark Kris on Jun 30, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
too fast, too furious
another thread on the ready:
http://www.blogabull.com/2010/6/30/1545508/blogabron-6-30-afternoon-before
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 30, 2010 1:38 PM CDT reply actions
im hanging on his every tweet
I bet he breaks the news on twitter.
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by E-Grizzle on Jun 30, 2010 1:41 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Unbelievable
I came from “Fuck LBJ I dont want his dancing queen ass here” to “I still dont like him but wouldn’t mind having him if we face LA and blow their ass out by 60 in the finals in every game.While watching Kobe and Odom cry while Gasol eats Rose’s ,LBJ’s, Noah’s and hell even Deng’s nuts every dinner (dunking on him for those who don’t know what I mean)”
What a difference hating LA makes
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so basically he's not coming.
didn’t mention the bulls at all…
I gangbang so hard, it would bring back curls.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 30, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
He's cut his hair since then.
Don’t know how old this is….
he also said bobcats, so… no worries.
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