BlogABron 6/29 - Part Deux
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 3:39 PM CDT
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- Nets free up $3m in trading Yi.
- The Heat waived James Jones, and though that move was expected, Ira Winderman reports that the buyout is structured so they get $300k in additional cap room.
- The Cavs are reportedly going to hire Brian Shaw. Reports in the past had LeBron preferring a coach who played in the league, and also was interested in being in the triangle offense...but I won't suggest this hire (if true) matters that much either way.
Bonus: Column by Ken Berger on why not to underestimate Dan Gilbert and the inherent connection between LeBron and Cleveland.
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I'll bring the Knicks/spin/sour grapes thread link over.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 3:42 PM CDT reply actions
Well,
At least they are going to make Joe Johnson feel special
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
hahahaha
i can’t get over how awesome that is.
Well.. it's not that awesome.
If LBJ, Bosh and Wade are going to Miami. And JJ and Amare go to New York, that leaves us with David Lee and not much else.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, we could still figure things out
A David Lee Rudy Gay summer still does not put us in a terrible spot. I think a rather young team of Rose, Gay, Deng, Lee, Noah + Taj, Johnson, maybe Morrow, Brewer (other free agents we would have room for by signing these guys) puts us in a great place to compete..remember, some of these other teams would be competing with mostly themselves and DLeaguers…we would be more reliant on Rose to become a star, but it’s definitely possible.
That seems great
Until you realize it’s trying to compete with a team that has LeBron, Bosh and Wade. And that team doesn’t look so competitive anymore.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
No team in the league would compete with LeBron, Bosh, and Wade
So should we just trade away Rose and Noah and spend another 10 years rebuilding again? And don’t say the Bulls should just save their money for 2011 and Carmelo Anthony, because even if they could get him (and who knows if there will even be a 2011-12 season), that team couldn’t compete with Lebron, Bosh, and Wade either.
What happens if a player gets hurt or have to go the bench to rest
with a bunch of d-league coming in to replace them………you need a supporting cast to win a championship, not just 3 players
No, obviously we try to do whatever we can
At the same time, that doesn’t mean we’re in a great place to compete. We’re in a bad place to compete. A very bad place. You still give it everything you got though, like Jermal says, maybe one of them gets hurt, maybe they don’t get along, but it sure as hell isn’t a great position to be in as he said it was.
I’m not saying you should give up just because the cards are stacked against you though. I don’t know where you got that from.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions
What I'm saying is, they have to sign someone this offseason
They can’t just roll over the cap room this summer and wait for the summer of 2011. Who knows what the collective bargaining rules will even be after next year? Maybe Noah gets frustrated after another .500 season and starts looking to leave. With their combination of young players and cap room, the Bulls will never be in a better position to attract free agents again. At the same time, they don’t really have any control at this point over whether Lebron or Bosh comes here. If the best the Bulls can do is Rudy Gay and David Lee, I don’t think you can just turn that down. Yeah, maybe that would max out as a 50-win team that loses in the second round, but hell, the Bulls haven’t won 50 games since 1998.
DRose
rules my world. He’s an awesome player on the rise, lets let the guy do the work before we say that LeBron, Bosh, Wade is better than everybody.
Bosh or Bust
by JockstrapNoah on Jun 29, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
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I gangbang so hard, it would bring back curls.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 29, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
high five?
I gangbang so hard, it would bring back curls.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 29, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather have David Lee and JJ Redick than Joe Johnson
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
from lbj's standpoint
the miami trifecta scenario just doesnt seem as good as going to the bulls. first, he wouldnt be the undisputed closer and would need to share ball handling duties with wade. but then look at that roster-there is chalmers and then 8 min salaried guys. wat happens if wade gets injured, which is very possible given his history? the window is shorter and the marketing opportunities are not as big compared to chitown.
I like this take by Rosen on FOX:
LEBRON and BOSH togehter:
This also constitutes the best match in this LBJ-centric exercise. As with Stoudemire, this pairing would be most effective because Bosh can prowl the baseline and the elbows and benefit from defenses two-timing James and clogging the paint. The difference being that Bosh is a better rebounder and a more versatile point-maker and he also knows his place in the NBA cosmos. A jumbo but mobile center, a hot-shot small forward and the perfect primary ball-handler could help them pose a serious challenge to the Lakers’ supremacy.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/potential-free-agent-duos-062810
dunno if Noah counts as a "Jumbo" center
but primary ball handler and hot shot SF (Deng?) seem like a good fit…
dunno if Bos "knows his place in the NBA cosmose."
I mean, I hope he just said that “I wanna be the man” crap to mean ‘I want my fucking max contract’….but I’m not sure. Bosh, by all rights, will get, but likely shouldn’t, max money, but I still don’t know whether he actually knows what he is.
Rosen is alright, but whats Jason Whitlock's take....?
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jun 29, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Or Dirk
Dirk is not a consolation prize…..a Dirk-Noah-Rose trio would be amazing and seemingly instantly (add Deng, Taj, and whatever depth we can get) the best team Dirk’s ever been on in terms of upper tier talent.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
one ping pong ball
that landed in the bulls favor will decide the next decade of nba basketball
You were one of the Jennings > Rose people too.
I demand instant compensation.
by Stacey_Is_King on Jun 29, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
i said he was a better pure point guard
i still dont see rose as a pure point guard. hes more of a scoring point but thats not his fault cause he doesnt have shit to pass to
I would say more of a pure point that can score
Because if he actually had guys around him that could score he would set his priorities on getting his teammates involved and running the offense, which is what he did his first year and a half in the league anyway. It is great to know that he can take over games with his scoring prowess. :)
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jun 29, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly, I don't think Beasley has had much of a chance there
And no, I’m not saying we should have taken him. But it was pretty clear Riley didn’t want him from the start. I see it as sort of a Tyrus situation – like Miami took the totally wrong approach to getting the most out of Beasley. He hasn’t been a basketball bust, which is how people talk about him – he just hasn’t lived up to his draft slot. I think a fresh start would be good for him.
by wjb1492 on Jun 29, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Tyrus but even more obvious that he needs a change.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
This is where Doug Thonus joins the fun.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
There's some really stupid teams out there.
Beasley is worth a flyer while he’s still on his rookie contract.
Although I would bet the Heat aren’t too keen on moving Beasley either.
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I'd think if the Heat really want to move Beasley
They can package draft picks with him to make it happen. Unless of course teams are colluding against the Heat so they don’t put together a dream team.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
well which teams can take on
beasley’s salary? i know $5 mil isnt that much, but it would hurt their chances of landing a 2nd or 3rd tier fa. and miami can only trade their 2012, 2014, etc firsts because of the daequan cook deal. unless theyre holding someone elses pick that i forgot about
Like the Bulls?
He is better than Taj at scoring…Thibs could get him to play some D. (maybe)
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
The Sun-Sentinel reports that Dwyane Wade will visit the Knicks, Bulls, and Mavericks just in case no high-profile FAs choose to join him in Miami.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 3:45 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I would be rather amused if, at the end of the day,
Wade bails on Miami and they end up with crap (basically). That’s been the one free agent the talking heads were almost positive would re-up, and Miami has almost no roster right now.
At least Spoelstra’s job would be safe – for a while.
How fitting would it be for Knicks fans if Wade ended up in NYC?
That would be the big FU to Riley they’ve been waiting for.
But … they’ve already settled on Joe Johnson. Oh well.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
aka avoid tampering by planning a trip
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
No tampering once they are officially free agents.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
That should tell you all you need to know about that "meeting."
If it went that well he wouldn’t need back up plans.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I don't understand the logic behind this
In order for Miami to “strike out”, Chicago and New York would have to have done really well, which means they have no use for Wade.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I know it's a stretch, but ...
Say, JJ and Amare sign with the Knicks, and the Bulls sign Bosh and LBJ, and Boozer goes to the Nets, leaving David Lee. At that point, where could Wade go? Maybe in a sign and trade to the Mavs? What about the Nets?
I dunno. Just throwing something out there.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Idk, maybe
I just don’t think the Heat are gonna strike out. People are underestimating how much these NBA players like warm weather and women. Plus they have Wade, so it’s a potential winning situation as well. Wade is staying, players will join him, leaving Chicago, NY, NJ to fight over what they can get. This superteam concept is awful for the league, especially if it’s in Miami.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I tried to stay away until something of actual signifigance happens, but I just couldn't do it
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
that's bullshit, man.
you’re in on this. we need your fretting, fits, highs, lows, etc.
Also, why would Wade schedule all these meetings subsequent to the purported summit (which didn’t happen) if he thought he had a shot at bringing the gang to shithole Miami?
Haha, I was beginning to worry about my mental health
I was trying to click the refresh button in my sleep.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been thinking a lot about what results would be best for the league
and this is my (slightly) biased hopes for the big names.
LBJ & Lee— Bulls
Wade & Bosh— Miami
JJ & Boozer- NYK
Gay & Amare- Nets
In addition to the Magic (and I guess the Celtics for a year as long as they keep Ray), the Eastern Conference has a bunch of suddenly really tight teams and great playoff match-ups.
I would pretty much agree with that, of course I'm a homerific Bulls fan
Although I’d like to see Amare and Boozer switch teams. Let D’antoni try and duplicate his Phoenix success w/o Steve Nash. That would be fun to see
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I would like that
We’d have some tight games with Miami.
by Stacey_Is_King on Jun 29, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
If it makes anyone feel better
ESPN’s current poll still think we get LeBron. Yeah, that doesn’t make me feel any better either.
So does Vegas
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
We gotta remain levelheaded about all this.
I say we all take a step back, breathe, and remind ourselves of just how good of a position we’re in. We shouldn’t let a few rumors about Miami and the news of NJ clearing additional cap room rattle us.
We have the best opportunity to win, and win for the longest period of time. LeBron knows this.
i guarantee we are getting lebron
ive been working on my fortune telling and tarot card/palm readings
OK, so I have a question
The HInrich trade doesn’t go through until July 8th, but FA’s can’t reach a binding agreement until then either. Does that mean that we can agree with two max guys before the 8th, or do we have to wait to court them both on separate weeks.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
They just come to an agreement.
Signing them doesn’t have to take place at midnight on the 8th or anything. Could sign the dotted line the 9th, 10th, etc.. The Bulls can negotiate the deals starting on the first with both at the same time, even though the Hinrich deal hasn’t actually happened.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
with the exception of Boozer, he doesn't make agreements
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jun 29, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
we can agree to contracts with any of them after july 1st 12am
but we cant officially sign anyone till the 8th
Thanks
That makes me a lot more comfortable. I still believe we are getting LeBron. It’s the ONLY legitimate basketball decision. All bias aside, the Bulls are his best fit for the long term and present.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd say that's a matter of opinion..
If it’s Pat Riley coaching Bron, Bosh and Wade? Just depends if you believe Wade > Noah / Rose.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
IMO, Wade<Noah/Rose
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
That's my opinion too, but I hate Wade, so I'm biased.
Some (maybe most) would say Wade is better.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
in his prime, injury prone
I would go with the upside of the two youngsters, even if I weren’t biased.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
but see the argument we have been making all along is that we are ready to let lebron win now
if you argue that rose/noah have more upside than wade POSSIBLY then thats an argument in miami’s favor because they would have the opportunity to win now for lebron and its not like wade is about to retire. hes got a good half a decade + left in the tank
talent wise wade is better imo
but from a roster need standpoint
rose/noah fills two important positions that miami cant match
Key words: long term
Wade is getting up there in age, and his reckless style of play certainly doesn’t help.
If LeBron’s goal is winning the most championships he can, Rose/James/Bosh/Noah > Wade/James/Bosh
Anyone listening to B&B?
Goff just tweeted that there is an nba coach who will join lebron, bosh and wade if they all go to miami and that it’s not good for our chances. Phil?
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Jun 29, 2010 3:53 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I'd guess Riley
and I’d guess that Goff (who I do like as an addition to the Bulls reporter scrum) doesn’t have any real good sources yet.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless it's friends he's made on the team..
I’d agree, he’s still pretty new in the business to have any real good sources.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Feel 'zactly the same about J. Goff
I like his input and he’s clearly knowledgeable about the game and the League, but yeah, dude aint got no sources at this point in his young career.
Thanks, I was out and about
and just saw the tweet and got really curious.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Jun 29, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
This has been the buzz. It's a good assumption, given Riley's track record as an exec.
But I can’t imagine this hasn’t been at least in LeBron’s/Bosh’s minds. This really is nothing new if you think about it.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
hasn't everybody figured Riley would be coaching them already?
i know i was operating under that assumption.
At this stage in his life, why would he coach anything less than a title contender?
That Heat team last year was clearly not a title contender, even if it did reach the playoffs.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought the Heat just said Spoelstra is safe
Of course, the Heat also said that about Van Gundy.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 30, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
would Phil ever work for Riley?
For some reason, I think no.
As Chad Ford said - How is this not tampering!!!
by Playboy_BullV on Jun 29, 2010 3:55 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
its only tampering
if mark cuban is involved (and i guess steve kerr which was kinda ridiculous)
Seriously think about this.
LeBron knows how he can have it in NY. He can do all that was done on his own. Jay-Z just happens to be a buddy of his.
But, honestly, do you think he looks forward to having such nights every night during the NBA season? LeBron is a veteran. That wining and dining can take place during the off-season. I never understood how NY thought that would be a great sales pitch anyway. Lebron’s of an age where if he’s going to continue to play basketball, he wants to win titles. Maybe the NY lifestyle appealed to him a couple of years ago.
He shows Akron all the love he can. He’s got a family. He’s past all the (recruiting) glam. He’s been low-profile since season’s end. He’s upset by not winning titles.
That all points to the best basketball situation being his top priority. Winning will take care of the global icon thing on its own. And if Miami and Chicago are neck and neck, then Chicago should have the edge for all of those secondary reasons. We’ll all know soon…
what a load of crap......
you bet this is tampering !!!! come on stern get off your ass and do something, hell as soon as cuban slipped up you were all over it. jayz gets to party with Lebron and show him a good time in NY??? he is a minority owner of the nets= hands off!
That Berger article started out interesting. He tried to gain credibility quick.
But then it’s just, “You know why my source is right? Because I say he’s awesome. Oh, and I can name him, so tthhhhppp…”
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Insight from Woj's Twitter on WWW not being in the room for negotiations:
Leon Rose has clients because of World Wide Wes. He delivers them. They are partners. Rose’s in the room? Well, Wes in the room.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 4:15 PM CDT reply actions
I think he's saying that this whole thing of WWW not being present in the meetings
is just a technicality. It doesn’t mean that WWW isn’t involved in the decision.
right
If leon rose is going to be in the “room” then essentially wes is going to be in the room
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
NYT had a story making hay about WWW not being there.
Here’s the link.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
No problem!
I probably should have included the NYT link in the original comment.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
WWW > Leon Rose
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Not anymore
WWW is an agent now. He must already have a perimeter of lackeys to talk to the AAU talent. He can’t talk to any of this talent anymore. Not directly.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 30, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
NY Post citing "person with ties" to LBJ:
One person with ties to James told The Post he feels “The King” will bolt Cleveland — but that the Nets have a better shot than the Knicks in the six-team LeBron race.
James will keep an open mind as he enters Thursday’s Akron-area meetings, with the Bulls and Miami emerging as frontrunners. Six teams across three days will give their presentations.
“If it wasn’t for Newark for two years, they [the Nets] would probably be the winner,” the individual said. “But they probably have surpassed the Knicks. I think the Knicks hurt themselves with the draft.”
James is intrigued by the Nets not just because of a more promising core, but because of the challenge of raising the profile of a club that has been steadfastly ignored in the Big Apple. Having his buddy Jay-Z as minority investor doesn’t hurt, either.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 4:29 PM CDT reply actions
Jesus, anybody who's involved in daily NBA operations could have "ties" to LeBron.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Jay Z owns one of the toilets at the arena
and everyone makes him out as the principal of the operation. I’m tiring of Jay Z bullshit.
by Bin Bin on Jun 29, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess it was only a matter of time before they played the New Jersey angle
Tomorrow we can expect to read plenty about the Prokhorov/Jay-Z angle. (Of course the trade of Yi helped this as well)
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I could actually see him going to the Nets.
If he and Bosh go, they’ll have a real chance at being something special. If Harris regains his mediocre shooting stroke, they only have to hope Lee and/or Williams can be a legitimate starter. I think Lee can be. That would leave Williams off the bench with Favors. That’s a really, really good, young team.
Harris <<<< Rose Lee <<<<< Deng James === James Bosh === Bosh Lopez > Noah Favors ?>? Gibson Williams >>> Johnson
By my Arbitrary Arrows says it’s not a HUGE advantage to the Bulls. They would 100% have to convince James and Bosh that they can play with Deng. I think that should be easy. Here’s to hoping they have the creative minds to do it.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I pretty much agree with your arbitrary arrows
but the Nets still will have to sell how such a core won 12 games last year and the Bulls managed 41.
With an awful coach.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
they're the better offense
we’re the better defense. though yeah, who would want to play for Avery Johnson?
Oh I meant the Bulls last year.
41 wins and a playoff berth with a good young core and an awful coach.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Who would want to play for the coach with the best winning percentage in the history of the NBA?
Um, players who like to win?
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
you're right, he's awesome.
those back-to-back 1st round exits never happened, nor did blowing a 2-0 Finals lead.
Avery Johnson
is the most awesome unknown quantity. I really want him to prove himself to be a below average coach and screw up the Russian Nets for ages.
Bosh or Bust
by JockstrapNoah on Jun 30, 2010 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How do you put that on the coach?
Is Byron Scott an inferior coach for losing the finals this year and losing in the second round last year?
Better, since we are talking about free agents…which coach is better, Thibs (unknown), Spoelstra (no playoff series victories), Clips (no coach), D’Antoni (missed two consecutive playoffs, could not get to the finals out of the West)?
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
umm....
so, winning goes to the coach but losing goes to the players? Yep, that’s pretty much how it works at the coaches’ press conferences.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
That is not what I meant...
I am just pointing out that most coaches not named Phil lose more often than they win in the playoffs…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
If LeBron went to the Nets, that would bury the Knicks for a long time.
Local media would automatically dedicate most of their b-ball resources to cover the Nets, and LeBron’s signing would probably facilitate the move to Brooklyn.
The Knicks would be permanent second-class citizens in their own city. The tables would be turned. Which big-time player would sign with the Knicks when LeBron’s playing across town? Jesus, talk about shadows …
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Still Don't See it
I still believe Lebron has a ton of respect for Cleveland and wouldn’t do it that way. Going to New Jersey, a worse team, basically tells that city that he doesn’t give a crap about winning, just attention. It’s why I still think Chicago and Miami are the only two logical options. He has the fallback excuse of saying he is going to a better team.
He's not going to the Nets
When the clouds finally clear on the Brooklyn stadium deal the Nets are going to look like a den of thieves.
It’s Miami or Chicago. Other than Cleveland, these are two safest landings for Lebron Inc.
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by NBA Observer on Jun 30, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I’ve been hammered with exams this week and I'm glad
because this whole Free agency is to much
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 29, 2010 4:40 PM CDT reply actions
I'm sure you did very well
You’ve hardly been here at all….
by wjb1492 on Jun 29, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
it was the DMV test
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
The Bulls need to make these free agents make a basketball decision that they can not refuse. Show these guys that the Bulls are poised to win now. Show these guys the type of offense the team will run and most importantly the defense. Don’t show them everything but some them things that will cater to making they’re overall game better. The one free agent whose game would benefit from signing with the Bulls would be Chris Bosh. He would be perfect along side Rose and Noah. The only reason he would sign in Miami would be the night life in Miami. I see him as wanting to be all over that. These guys to me will not make good basketball decisions.
The Bosh checklist matches Chicago well
1) The man? Sure thing.
2) You got a center? Yep. Noah.
3) Did you bring money? 30 million enough?
4) What about defense? We just hired Thibs.
5) I don’t wear a headband. We don’t allow them.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 30, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
And for the guy who was stuck in Toronto
He could probably use the boost of a big market more than anyone.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Lebron has to much guilt on him right now and I think that will ultimately keep him in Cleveland. The Bulls should go all in for Joe Johnson, Bosh, and even Dirk even though Cuban will lay a guilt trip on him as well.
booo
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 29, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well, this seals it for the Knicks.
Thomas, who led the Detroit Pistons to two NBA titles and is in the Hall of Fame, said New York offers the biggest stage and would provide James with his greatest challenge. He said James’ presence in New York would be good for the league.
Translation: Please, LeBron. Help wash away my sins!
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 4:55 PM CDT reply actions
Great news, if history tells us anything, it's that you should always do the exact opposite of what Isiah Thomas thinks
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Isiah just wants credit for it being his plan all along.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
if bulls get lebron
and miami gets wade + bosh, who do both teams go after next?
Then I think the Bulls go for another PF, like Lee or Boozer,
and try to convert Deng to a 2, unless they can work out a trade.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
If we sign Lebron?
Then David Lee is the best fit. Amare is the best player. Still could sign JJ and S&T for Lee by moving Deng. I don’t know why we’d keep Deng if Lebron is on the roster.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 30, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't get how waiving Jones saves only $300k
If that was reported in the Ira Winderman Sun-Sentinel article, then it has been deleted because I don’t see it in there. Ken Berger of CBS Sports credits the Sun-Sentinel for reporting that the deal saves $356,000. Perhaps this is missing a decimal or something? His previous salary was $4,650,000 and the buy out reportedly counts as $1.5 mil on the cap. So isn’t it then a $3.15 mil savings? And does the $1.5 mil figure count the cap hold created from freeing up a roster spot? Cap experts help me out!
you're right, that's the savings
but from what I could tell everyone was calculating the Heat’s cap room already figuring they were going to waive him.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
waiving jones saves 300k in addition to
what was previously thought. only $1.5 mil of his salary goes to the cap as opposed to $1.86 out of the total $4.65
Chad Ford's doing a chat right now for anyone interested, let's bombard him with Bulls questions!
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
Ford is good
He’s the best NBA reporter they have. He has good sources with the executives at various teams and with agents due to being the right hand man for the NBA Draft. He’s the only one who I think only reports stuff he believes is true while the others just report bad rumors all day.
Yea I like Chad too
Although I’m not buying much of what he says when it comes to this particular story, seeing as the people he knows and gets his stuff from probably don’t know where Lebron is going either. But that “Jordan’s waiter” story was nice to hear.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Jesus, we still have like a week left of this. Why am I reading 1000 comments a day on pure speculation?
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 29, 2010 5:11 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
It's "The Secret", if you talk about it enough, it will happen
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Because you LOVE IT baby!!! Free Agent fever, CATCH IT!!
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by The Red Menace on Jun 29, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
cha-ching!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you Worldwide Wes? This is all just a scheme to drive up your blog's hits!
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the real winner of this free agency drama
by drew gooden's facial growth on Jun 29, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its better than debating...
Why the Ben Gordon signing and Tyrus Thomas extension keeps the Bulls from having a chance at a max free agent.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 29, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
We have a week until they sign...
But I think a lot will become clear in the next few days. didn’t BG make his intentions known last July 1?
BEN GORDON ARGHH!
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by Rex Grossman on Jun 29, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
can somebody summarize ford's
Chat when possible?
by stanchar on Jun 29, 2010 5:31 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Interesting nugget from Ford's chat:
As of last night, he was still deciding. Pierce’s agent is negotiating with the Celtics on a long-term extension. If things don’t go well in the next 24 hours, there’s a good chance he opts out and plays the field. I don’t know about the Clippers, but he would obviously draw interest from a number of teams. The Nets, for example, really need a small forward if they can’t land LeBron and I could see D Wade being interested in Pierce there. If the Celtics lose him, they go way under the cap.
Pierce on the open market would change everything, no?
Link to chat.
P.S. I would love to summarize the whole thing, but I just don’t have the time right now. Sorry.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 5:35 PM CDT reply actions
Pierce on the open market
would change how much the Celtics end up paying him and nothing else.
Pierce isn’t going anywhere, and if he does the Celtics will be gone from NBA relevance for another 20 years or so.
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There is hate and there is "get the fuck out of my way, I've got a parade to get to" - Cool Dudes on May 12, 2010 10:11 PM PDT
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Really? Why is that? Garnett sucks, huh?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Actually he does
He was used up by the finals, and it’s not like he played a ton of games this year.
by BoxingHideout on Jun 29, 2010 5:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Garnett and his knee are still serviceable
but he won’t be able to go hard during both the reg season and the playoffs Ray Allen may not even be there next season and either Ron Artest totally and completely locked him down or Pierce isn’t all that great to begin with.
"Attitude reflect leadership, captain" - Big Jules
There is hate and there is "get the fuck out of my way, I've got a parade to get to" - Cool Dudes on May 12, 2010 10:11 PM PDT
http://twitter.com/KBZinLA
If they're that far under the cap, they'll have Rondo, Perkins, Garnett and Baby.
They could go after Rudy Gay and JJ Redick. I’m not how that makes them irrelevant.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Rondo Garnett and a bunch of role players do not a championship contender make
Rudy Gay? JJ Redick? please.
WHere will there scoring come from? Garnet can’t give you 20 a night anymore, Rondo can’t hit a Jump Shot to save his life. Shrek Big Baby is nice but he’s no where near consistent. Boston’s window has closed. They’ll obviously still make the playoffs in the eastern conference but their days of championship contention will be over
"Attitude reflect leadership, captain" - Big Jules
There is hate and there is "get the fuck out of my way, I've got a parade to get to" - Cool Dudes on May 12, 2010 10:11 PM PDT
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by KBZ on Jun 29, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
okay
that’s not irrelevant to me. apparently every team but the lakers, celtics, spurs and pistons have been irrelevant. whatever.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
That basically makes you the Bulls
If Garnett is completely healthy, you’re probably decent, but it’s not a championship team.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Ford has some interesting input
In fact, if i was running one of these teams, Dirk would be the second ideal pairing for LeBron behind Bosh. He’s a perfect fit for Bron on the court.
Ah, great minds ...
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay, I can squeeze this in, on Dirk and the Bulls:
Question:
Simmons said on PTI that his “dream scenario” would be LeBron and Dirk ending up in Chicago together. Is that a plausible scenario?
Ford’s answer:
Sure. Bulls need to clear a little more cap space (unless Dirk is willing to take a little less than the max) … but with Dirk opting out, sure they’re in play. In fact, if i was running one of these teams, Dirk would be the second ideal pairing for LeBron behind Bosh. He’s a perfect fit for Bron on the court.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
but...
Dirk’s max is way bigger than James, Bosh, Wade, etc. He’s been in the league soooo long.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I didn't even think about that
I’m guessing he’s not a target for Chicago or Miami then. Dallas will offer him his max for a few years because it doesn’t cost them cap space. I’m not sure a 4-year deal at a typical max will beat that, and Dirk at 5 years gets into scary territory.
I'm pretty sure you're correct.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Say somehow LeBron goes to the Bulls, but Bosh joins Wade in Miami ...
… Dirk wants to win a title, right? He’s not going to get it staying in Dallas. So then maybe he takes less-than-max to sign with the Bulls to play with LeBron, DRose and Noah.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Dirk's priorities
Max or length?
Reports say length.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 30, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I heard it was width
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
by runningman on Jun 30, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd love Dirk in the short term.
But we need to keep long term outlook, and that’s why Amare and Bosh are probably better signs than Dirk, even though Dirk is a better player at the present.
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Yeah, they'd essentially have Rondo, Perkins, Baby, Garnett under contract.
They’d have enough for one MAX guy.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Hmm
If Wallace retires does that still count against the cap?
If not, the Celtics would have about 20 million in cap space if Pierce opts out and Wallace retires.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 30, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think it changes that much.
His age makes him much less desirable than the other top free agents.
by BoxingHideout on Jun 29, 2010 5:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You never know, though. One of these teams who get burned could get desperate and overpay.
If the Celtics aren’t going to pay what he wants, maybe he goes to a team eager to somewhat placate their fans with some star power.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
if the Celts let him go
do they become players in the big FA market this summer?
Actually...
The Clippers make a lot of sense for Pierce…he is from LA, and they have everything but a small forward…and KG would be reduced to a bitchy blowhard on a pretty bad team…
They would only have cap space if they renounced their rights to Ray Allen.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
No reason to not renounce Allen's rights
It’s not like they’re going to give him the max or an extra year.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
If they renounce his rights.,..
They can only resign him with cap space…and if they use the cap space, they will not have the MLE or BAE…so, if Pierce and Allen leave, then they will have space…but, they should not renounce either until they announce their intention to sign with another team…which means they probably will not be players this offseason….
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 29, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t see it happening,’’ Bosh told us this past weekend of the idea of the three playing together on the Heat.
I don’t even know how it would work. It sounds pie in the sky. Riley is known as a guy who is like a mastermind-type genius. He’s probably having a vision one day. But who knows? I don’t see it
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/29/1707168/heats-pat-riley-must-convince.html#ixzz0sHi9lCAM
by Sir Buckets on Jun 29, 2010 5:51 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I think Bosh is set on going with Lebron OR Wade
and knows/believes that all 3 in one place is highly unlikely/near impossible with the salary cap.
Here’s to hoping when get Lebron and then the… Lebronimos… fall into place. coughs
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aka "i'm getting my fucking max contract"
by M 80 on Jun 29, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Wade and Lebron are trying to convince Bosh.
No way Lebron’s ego let him play with Wade’s ego.
Bosh 2010!!!!!
The quote is not from a journalist
It’s from the Mike and Mike Show when he was co-hosting for the day
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
See this makes way more sense than the Stephen A. rumors. At the start of the season Bosh was taking about wanting a franchise built around him. I do think he’s set his sights a little lower and is willing to be Lebron’s number 2, but a number 3 for a guy of his talent? I don’t think so.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 29, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Chad Ford's prediction
Here’s my informed speculation as of today:
LeBron and Joe Johnson in Chicago
Wade and Bosh in Miami
Amare and Gay in NJ
Dirk in Dallas
Boozer in NY
Lee in Utah
by YaoPau on Jun 29, 2010 5:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Interesting
THat’d be an odd haul for us.
Rose
Johnson/Deng
James/Deng
Gibson
Noah
??
is that what we’r rolling with there? That’s an odd fit for Deng, not that I’d be upset b/c that backcourt and James are a scoring machine.
One of the best benefits of having a Big 3 that I’ve noticed from a team like the Celts is that at least one dude is hot on a given night. Unlike previous years when we’ve NEEDED Gordon, or NEEDED Rose to have a big game. YOu have one of many to rely on to pick up the slack. Recipe for success.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I really like the Rose/LeBron/Deng/Taj/Noah starting lineup
I think that’s better than one with Joe Johnson in it, though I wouldn’t complain either way. Signing James and Dirk/Bosh/Lee while keeping Deng would give the Bulls a ridiculous team.
by YaoPau on Jun 29, 2010 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
no doubt
you like that SG scenario though? Can LeBron or Deng play an effective 2 and create space for the other?
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
As long as Rose or Deng has a 3pt shot by next season, we're golden
Sounds like both are trying for that
Good
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Deng has averaged 40% and 38% from 3 the last 2 seasons which isn’t that bad.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 29, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
Position matters less than role.
Bosh or Bust
by JockstrapNoah on Jun 30, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
If we are trading with MN
I would much rather have Love
I think I prefer Boozer, Dirk, Amare or even Lee instead of Joe Johnson
Deng and LBJ can play the 2 and even the 4. But I prefer a real 4 instead of another winger. Who was the last team to won a ring withouth a good PF?
Stage one: Fire Vinny (check)
Stage two: Hire a good coach (check)
Stage three: Draft a SG who shoots 3 (failed)
Stage four: Sign a top 3 FA
Stage five: Trade Deng, Hinrich, whoever not named Rose or Noah to get another top FA (partially check)
lol, Knicks
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by NBA Observer on Jun 30, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
BTW
They are talking free agency on ESPN right now. Not the best group of guys to be talking free agency other than their useless opinions on who would be the best combos, but maybe it’ll get interesting here in a bit.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
Also this list
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=2010FreeAgents-100629
Chad Ford’s top FA’s. It seems like he lists teams in order of how likely they are to go to which team. Currently has us as the front runners for James, Bosh, and David Lee.
Also, Tony Kornheiser, the only person more annoying than Skip Bayless, predicts us to get Rudy Gay, David Lee, and Ray Allen. A combo that I have yet to see this entire offseason.
Mike Wilbon likes us to get Dirk, LeBron, and Ray Allen. Another combo I’ve yet to see.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
Kornheiser has no clue
Steve Rosenblum has more sense in him.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 30, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
He pretty much admitted
he’s just trying to be a contrarian. He’s not being serious.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
In light of the fact...
…that Beasley will likely be chief among the obstacles preventing a Miami super team, how much are Heat fans going to hate him? And how much will it suck to be Beasley…they’re literally trying to give him away, and NOBODY wants him. Shit’s hilarious.
on the flip side
if they took someone good, like Russell Westbrook, they really wouldn’t want to give him away to make room for the super-team (not that they wouldn’t do it, but it would be tougher to make that decision). though Westbrook/Wade/Bosh would be a nice start to something too.
I think Miami’s number 2 pick in 2008 is turning into Detroit’s 2003 pick. Maybe not as extreme but it was a deep draft that a moron should have been able to get right. If they took someone good with that pick like Westbrook or Lopez and they had a player as good as that on a rookie contract they’d be a major player this summer. Same deal with the Knicks in 2009. But now it looks like they won’t get Lebron or Bosh, and imo keeping Wade isn’t a certainty, let’s not forget he is going on his own free agent tour.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 29, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I still can't believe he's untradeable
There has to be one team desperate enough to take a flyer on him.
Why wouldn't the clips take him to play SF?
He’s the perfect player for Don Nelson. His D sucks and they play none of it.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 30, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
you mean the warriors?
or did you observe something else?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'm laughing on the inside....
AND OUTSIDE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
So
I know not many people like him, but I like Allen Iverson as a backup 1/2 combo. I think this past year was a humbling year for the dude. My guess is, he would take a reduced role to sign with the epic team that we can form.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
drose, AI, LBJ, Bosh, Noah
me likey.
by rocky_mountain_bull on Jun 29, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
me don't
AI never seemed to be a team player, and I don’t think this past year humbled him, just let him know he’s not young. That’s not humbling, that’s disappointing.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Yeah, I don't want A.I. on the team.
He’s clearly lost several steps, and who knows if he’ll ever have to leave a team again for personal reasons.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
If he was a good teammate then even with his declining skills he’d be a solid option off the bench. But I could see him openly complaining that he isn’t getting as many minutes as Rose.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 29, 2010 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
No way
AI will never gel with the Bulls culture™.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 30, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Conspiracy
CAA, the talent agency for Lebron, Bosh, and Wade, have 3 goals.
1. Engineer lucrative sign-and-trade contracts for their clients.
2. Ensure that their clients play for their preferred team.
3. Increase the prestige of the agency.
There are two types of teams, and really they are only vying for either Bosh or Joe Johnson.
NY will accept both Bosh and Turkoglu. They’ll give up Gallinari.
NJ could also make a play for Bosh, but they aren’t going to take Turkoglu.
Miami and Chicago won’t top NY’s offer. They don’t have any attractive sign-and-trade assets. Small chance of a Boozer for Deng swap. Miami will surround Wade with guys like Josh Childress and Tyrus Thomas.
Joe Johnson will be signed-and-traded to Dallas for Dampier and a prospect.
Lebron remains in Cleveland.
At the end, CAA will say to players…look, we engineered all of that. we’re the most powerful agency in the world now. join us. they help lebron, bosh, and wade get what they want, and they help caa get what they want.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
I'm not sure in that scenario they helped their clients
Bosh is stuck with Turkoglu in NY, is that any improvement over toronto?
Wade has to sit through 2 years of garbage to get ‘guys’? Maybe if they sign Amare too I could see that being a success.
I would not be shocked at all (should say that about every scenario) if LeBron stays in Cleveland. Figure they’ll have to make one more desperate trade first though.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
i'll take each question.
1. If New York is truly where Bosh wants to be, yes.
2. The real wildcards are Boozer and Amare, because their present ownership won’t cooperate with a sign-and-trade, as the are loathe to take back money. I think Wade enjoys being batman, and expects at least one of these “Tier 2” free agents to be his Robin. The rest of the rotation can be fleshed out with their pick of role players. With the most cap room, they can afford to outbid any of the other teams, too, as players auction themselves off.
3. I think Lebron’s image would take too much of a hit if he leaves. No company wants a carpetbagger to endorse their products if they can help it. By staying he enhances his image becomes a more attractive spokesperson. It’s probably worth it to stay in Cleveland. By artificially creating all these temptations and all this suspense, the free agent frenzy ultimately makes him look heroic.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
"No company wants a carpetbagger to endorse their products if they can help it."
Uh, Shaq?
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
NO fair
Shaq’s awesome though.
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Jun 29, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
shaq is different
he didn’t abandon his hometown.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
So the goalpost moving begins
First, no company wants a “carpetbagger”. Now, no company wants a carpetbagger, only if the place he was originally was his hometown.
Still a moot point, because Cleveland is not Lebron’s home town.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Typical, Kobe can demand a trade but it is ok?
Stupid double standard.
He’s also not running away from Pippen to join a prime Shaq to carry him for three titles.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jun 29, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Akron is his hometown lol what a joke.
Pretty damn easy to talk like that when you’re home team isn’t the Lakers.
No one cares if he leaves, only if he is successful.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jun 29, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Its Ohio man
not California. Akron is different from Cleveland. And LA is certainly different than the Cleve.
Bosh or Bust
by JockstrapNoah on Jun 30, 2010 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Cool article on LeBron destination formula
http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/blog?name=millman_chad&id=5339548
Another one for the Bulls!
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
i'll ask durant if he has an extra password...
I gangbang so hard, it would bring back curls.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 29, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
LOL
sorry, basically the guy ranked every team on LeBron’s wish list in categories like long term winning, short term winning, money, legacy, cost of living, marketing, etc. and gave point values based on where you rank in the list.
Chicago won but Miami was a close second thanks to their short term winning (I guess) and lack of tax on his max contract.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Lebron and I am sort of leaning towards JJ, because of his better "defense"
Although with Thibodeau as our new coach, even Nowitzki or Amare would become solid defenders, lol.
you've talked with LeBron?
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
LOL. No, woops! I meant to say, I would like to see Lebron+JJ (better defense)
On the Bulls roster for next season.
quick survey:
what’s a better team:
Lebron and Joe Johnson on the Bulls with Deng still there (or without if you’d prefer in the rumored Gortat/Pietrus trade), say Asik and a crew of mostly vets at the minimum
or
Wade, Bosh, Ray Allen, Beasley, and a crew of mostly vets at the minimum?
because I’m beginning to think this might be how it plays out. The West is dominated by the Lakers, and the East has the two super powers of Bulls vs Heat.
Please note I’d personally prefer us signing David Lee than Joe Johnson, but I haven’t seem to have heard any rumors on David Lee going anywhere at all, which seems to make me think that David Lee isn’t going anywhere at all.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Definitely Lebron and JJ and Deng still there with the Bullies!
Anytime I see Beasley’s name, i just chuckle, haha. For that very reason, and quite a few people have been critical of him since day one, i choose the #1 option, although I would love if we could get Ray Allen, for a year or two, even though he’s like 60 years old now, lol.
How is David Lee not getting more respect?
I don’t know if NBA execs are as clueless as the media (I know some are), but this could translate into David Lee for a less than max deal…
And…what if Bosh goes to Houston in a sign and trade?
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
I dont see what James would do the Miami thing
I mean if he can come here with Bosh then it’s a better deal for him. In Miami, it’d be James, Bosh, and Wade. But if he were to come here it’d be the same thing but Rose would replace Wade. To me Rose is much better to have on his side than Wade. You don’t have to second guess who’s THE star of the team. I see Rose as every player that Wade is. To me the only advantage Wade has over Rose is that he goes to the free throw line more. I’m happy with Rose’s jumper and I have a good feeling that it will get better. Plus with James here I’m sure we’ll be seeing the free throw line a lot more also.
Plus we have Deng and Noah, while they have ……????
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
Exactly
Everyone is saying O well its cuz of the rings thats why he would flat out go to Miami with Bosh and join Wade…when he can come to Chicago and have a much better supporting cast and Rose instead of Wade which would make him the MAN on the team…And people dont think that team would win multiple titles?? Cmon now thats just flat out dumb for him to think Miami the better option
Also the man idolized MJ…how could he pass up having his number 6 hanging right next to Jordans at the top of the UC
2010:The year that changed everything
Exactly. With him here its set up perfectly for championships.
Although as far as retiring his #6 jersey next to Jordan’s #23. He can technically do that in Miami also. Their franchise is so lame they retired jerseys of people who never played there.
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
James, Bosh and Wade? I don't think they have enough for one of those guys!
Let alone all three of them! Plus they might retool their role players or might at least have to increase their salaries! As many on this blog and elsewhere have stated (not that I trust any of you…..just kidding, ha!), the Bulls have the most or are right up there as far as enough cap space to bring in two high profile FA in a couple of weeks. Miami has always had a decent market, and even though they are not quite out of the running yet, I wouldn’t put them high as the Bulls, simply because of Wade and that being his team. Having said that, I am sure they wouldn’t have too many issues playing alongside each other. I’d say Lebron Bosh or JJ (leaning with JJ)a three point marksman (Allen, Korver, Galinari, Stojakovic, Hodges, Kerr, Paxson, Reggie, Hardaway, Mario Elie, Nash, or whoever we can get).
Nets are crazy
who do they think they are going to get, after having a terrible record like that last season………..some teams are going to be disappointed when the season starts
Maybe Joe Johnson
he went to the terrible Hawks didn’t he? lol
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Looking at it objectively, they could have a starting lineup of:
PG: Devin Harris
SG: Joe Johnson
SF: Lebron James
PF: Derrick Favors
C: Brook Lopez
Bench: Terrance Williams + Minimum players
That’s assuming they pursue Joe Johnson instead of a power forward. If they wanted to go the Bosh route, they would have the best possible sign and trade chip in Favors and can put Williams at the two. I think any team they field can be damn good. Don’t think they’d be as good as the Bulls, but people should not sell them short.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I stand by my opinion
That if he wants to go there, he waits and signs w/ Cleveland for 3 years. Nets will still have a good cap situation at that point, and they’ll be in Brooklyn and know what they have in Favors, Lopez will still be young.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea, but Lopez will have a big contract by then
and who knows what their cap situation will be. It’s a huge gamble to say, “I’ll wait a couple years” if you really want to go to one of these places. Although I do agree with you. I don’t see him signing there, i just think people should give their team, and their pieces, a little more credit instead of just saying “They only won 12 games last year!”. How many games did the Celtics win the year before they dominated the league and won a title?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Lopez will be the only guy there with a big contract
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_jersey.htm
Devin Harris is up in 3 years so that’s a non-factor, Favors will still be on his rookie deal. They’d be in as good a cap position as just about anybody right now as long as they don’t do something. I’m just saying.. if LeBron wants to go to Brooklyn, they can make it work in 3 years as easily as they can now. And if LeBron still hadn’t won a championship in 3 years, I don’t think anyone blames him for leaving.
Not saying he’s going to do it, but if New Jersey is where he wants to go, I think that’s how he goes about it. He lets his pal Jay-Z know.. I’m going to give Cleveland one more shot, when you get to Brooklyn, you have my phone number.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Sp you don't think they'll sign anyoone for the next three years? Kinda doubt it, but who knows...
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 30, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
They might sign plenty of guys
But if LeBron is on a 3 year deal, I don’t think they sign anyone that is a big long term deal.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Here's who the Nets will bring to meet with Lebron:
They’ll fly to Ohio and be one of the first teams to meet The King tomorrow morning. In their delegation are Rod Thorn, Mikhail Prokhorov, Jay-Z, Avery Johnson, Devin Harris and Brett Yormark.
It also lays out their itinerary for the week, at least most of it. I find it very interesting that they’re bringing Harris with. Makes me wonder if the Bulls plan on bringing a player. If they do, I hope it’s Noah, I could see him having some fun with it, and Lebron warming up to him. Derrick would probably listen to his iPod and text the whole time.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
didnt rod thorn quit?
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
Yea, but he's still going with
I haven’t really followed the story, but I think he’s doing it out of respect so he doesn’t leave them hanging when they need him most. I guess he can still change his mind too, according to some reports.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
its just funny. whats he going to say to lebron? "hi, im rod thorn, and even though I am leaving this
organization for no reason, let me say i think YOU should commit to them for as long as possible. and if you dont believe ME, then heres a rapper, a slavic robber baron, devin harris and a muppet.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
by TheMoon on Jun 29, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 12 recs
lol
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
He did but he's staying on through the signing period
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
Why not bring Rose and Noah?
Maybe the top two reasons he should consider signing with the Bulls. Let’s remind him up close.
Or best case scenario…bring Rose, Noah, and newly agreed upon free agent signee Chris Bosh. Dreams are fun.
I know this will never ever ever happen, but...
how cool would it be if Jordan was part of the Bulls delegation?
On that note...
I’m surprised that last year before Jordan bought the Bobcats, that Reinsdorf didn’t make a side deal with him – recruit Lebron and I’ll sell you like a 10% ownership in the Bulls.
...
“hi, i’m Devin Harris, you should come play with me, I’m not as good as Rose or Wade, but man did I have fun playing for one of the worst teams in NBA history and then being the subject of trade rumors…this organization is the BEST!!!”
by tuff-gong on Jun 30, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sorry, i don't see it
I can’t see Lebron or any of the top freeagents going to the nets……….i think the nets will get the left overs, the 2nd tier freeagents or 3rd tier
Why not Chicago???
What’s the point of LeBron, Bosh, and Wade teaming up with 9 minimum salary players in Miami when they can all come to Chicago instead?
Heat need to dump nearly $6 mil of Beasley and Chalmers’ contracts to offer near maxes to all three. The Bulls only need to move less than $3 mil in Taj and JJ for two full maxes.
The Bulls can then sign two of the three stars to max deals, and do a sign and trade with Deng for the third.
Rose/Wade/LeBron/Bosh/Noah
Why wouldn’t they want to do this instead?
The usage rates wouldn't add up for one.
Bron at 33, Bosh and Bron at around the mid 20’s. Five starters should equal 100, so you need role players in the other spots.
Pus these guys don’t want to defer credit that greatly.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jun 29, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
SO, how about some predictions from people
Where are the stars landing?
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
Stars don't land.
They’re balls of gas If they came into contact with matter, that matter would surely be incinerated.
by tuff-gong on Jun 29, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
tee hee
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Or if one star gets too big...
We have that to look forward to in a billion years… when the sun turns into a red giant, and expands out past Mars.
Yeah, great comparison of 2 guys in their mid 20s and a 29 year old to 3 guys well into their 30s by that point
with one of them coming off a serious back injury that hindered his season further
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
Here's my hypothetical best-case scenario that doesn't involve us getting Lebron
-Lebron signs with Miami, under the impression that Bosh will join him and Wade there
-Bosh sits down with the Heat to negotiate his deal, realizes how much $ he’d have to give up to sign there, reneges on his agreement, and signs with the Bulls.
-Joe Johnson also signs with the Bulls for 4 years $60 million.
-One of Wade’s limbs becomes incapacitated, and he misses the entire season.
-Lebron realizes that the rest of his team now consists of Beasley, Chalmers, and 9 former D-leaguers.
-Bulls win the NBA championship
-Pat Riley gets fired
-World Wide Wes sells Mickey Arison on a VDN + Jannero Pargo package deal to revitalize the team.
-Lebron James hates his life.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 29, 2010 9:35 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Does Wade hate his life too?
Then I feel like I can get behind this plan.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
A lot of interesting stuff from KC:
As the Nets and Heat made money-saving moves Tuesday, the optimism Bulls management felt following last week’s salary dump of veteran guard Kirk Hinrich faded a bit at the Berto Center.
With the best free-agent class in NBA history to hit the market at 11:01 p.m. Wednesday, two people who spoke with members of the Bulls’ front office described the atmosphere as “tight.”
Along those lines, the Bulls continued to finalize their presentation for James, who is scheduled to meet with several teams later this week in Ohio. Sources said Bulls management has received whispers of favorable signs regarding the reigning two-time most valuable player’s future from ubiquitous adviser, and Tom Thibodeau’s coaching agent, William Wesley.
League sources said the Bulls’ traveling party to Ohio is expected to include team Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf, senior vice president John Paxson, general manager Gar Forman and possibly Thibodeau. A rumor that former great Scottie Pippen would attend couldn’t be corroborated, though there has been contact between the organization and its six-time NBA champion.
Those sources did indicate the Bulls plan to discuss global business and marketing opportunities off the court with James, who calls business titans such as Warren Buffet friends. In this manner, the meeting will be about basketball and business.
The Bulls appear to be focusing on recruiting power forwards before they get their sitdown with James, which is believed to be Friday. Chris Bosh and Carlos Boozer are the Bulls’ main targets at that position.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
All good news
Except their tightness. Gotta believe it, fellas!
I could see us agreeing with Bosh almost right away. He gets his max contract, but does that then push LeBron away from us? What if we agree with Bosh and can’t move James Johnson, then what?
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
1st S&T with T-Dot for Bosh. JJ, Taj and Bobcats 1st.
2nd That would leave enough $$ for us to give Lebron the max. 3rd Trade Deng to Orlando for Pietrus and Bass. Pietrus would be our starting SG and Bass would take Gibson’s spot as the backup PF. Bring Asik over, sign Flip Murray, Boby Simmons and Duhon to the vet minimum and win a championship.
Bosh 2010!!!!!
What F.O. wouldn't be tight right now?
As Bernstein likes to say, this is high stakes poker and only one team is getting James. There’s a lot on the line.
by dbrown25 on Jun 29, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope Pip goes with, that would be a nice little addition
I wonder why there is a question about whether Thibs would go? He almost has to doesn’t he? You’d think Lebron would wanna meet the guy he’s playing for, and hear dome ideas.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I love
that they are thinking about bringing Pippen. That would add a nice touch. Hopefully that rumor ends up being true. I would like to see a current player (Rose, Noah) attend the meeting as well.
Hopefully they don’t leave Akron empty handed.
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
KC is nothing if not thorough
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I really like knowing JR is going with them
Usually he sits back and waits things out but the urgency is there. I also think having him there discussing business would be a fantastic idea. Let Paxson and Thibs (Hopefully) speak basketball. Let Gar just say the plan and let Jerry wow him with his slimey business strategies that also helped escalate Jordan into a global phenomenon., even though Michael pretty much did that all by himself.
If Pippen went, it would be a home run in terms recruiting. The man was a vital part of the team LeBron idolized growing up. He could also dispel all that crap Wade trying pushing about loyalty face to face.
That's very true.
That he’s actually going and not sitting in Phoenix or staying in Chicago does show how that he realizes how big it is.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
BRING THE 6 FUCKING TROPHIES
place them in front of lebron. nuff said
by sin on Jun 29, 2010 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
And then this exchange takes place
LBJ: So Gar, how many of these championships have you been a part of?
Gar: Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 29, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Gar: DOESN'T MATTER
As a Bronco fan, I am pretty sure Josh McDaniels let any and every free agent incoming know about our best home record in the NFL over hte last 35 years and those two shiny Lombardi Trophies. Winning is a culture that you become part of when you associate with the team like LeBron will with teh Bulls
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Does that make Marcus fizer and jannero pargo winners then?
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 29, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
no
They were a part of an organization with a winning culture.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Which should indicate how little that matters.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 29, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
to prospective free agents?!?!
Are you kidding?
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Not saying it doesn't
I’m saying it shouldn’t. If I was Lebron James I would care about how likely the Bulls are to win future championships, not about what happened in the past.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 29, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with you.
I doubt it holds a lot of weight..unless your team is known for winning CONSISTENTLY. Like, if it was a college program recruiting him, bringing up recent success would obviously be a selling point.
by Stacey_Is_King on Jun 30, 2010 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Right
For example, if he were considering the Spurs, their success would be a selling point, because the guys currently running the show are the same guys who built their recent championship teams. But like I said, Gar and Pax had nothing to do with the Bulls 90’s success (well Pax did, but obviously in a very different capacity).
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 30, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions
heres one thing i might say though, which ties into this conversation
and the whole “legacy” thing. the lakers and celtics pretty much stand alone apart from the rest of the league, from an historical success perspective. what i would tell lebron is the bulls are a good option for both the short and long term, and if he can win 4-6 titles here, that not only means he can compete with some of the greats from an individual success point of view, but it also means that HE was the guy to catapult the bulls from the top of the normals, into the celtic-laker historical elite. thats something he would have over even MJ, and the bulls are the only team he can do that with. for an nba history buff like lebron, that must be pretty tempting.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
He wouldn't be able to hold that over MJ.
In that hypothetical situation MJ is just as responsible for the historical place of the fanchise as Lebron.
but if he wins several championships
he could try to make the claim that they have equal stake in raising the Bulls stature
lol
Don’t even say a word. That’s the presentation. No roster discussion, no coaching ideas, no marketing possibilities. Just the trophies.
And silence.
For 1 hour.
by Sir Buckets on Jun 29, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Then someone randomly say "Michael Jordan".... Followed by more silence.
Bosh 2010!!!!!
by illwill on Jun 29, 2010 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Then have Patrick Kane
walk in waving the Stanley Cup offering Lebron a chance to drink from it.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 30, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
bring seven empty trophy cases
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
by blackoutsox on Jun 30, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Why does it say that Thibs will only "possibly" be there?
Um, he better freaking be there! He’s one of the major selling points!!!
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
apparently not
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Apparently is
This time, Paxson, general manager Gar Forman and new coach Tom Thibodeau are expected to help make the Bulls’ pitch to James.
also
Pippen owes Paxson a favor after signing him with the Bulls towards the end of his career.
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
Hopefully Pax had a Godfather style talk with him when he gave him that contract:
“I’m gonna do this for you, but one day, the family will come to you for a favor…”
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
No, you feel "Tight"
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know this is almost sacrilegious around here
but I really have confidence in our front office. They’re not the river boat gambling types. I don’t think they’ve cleared all this room and done this stuff all on a hunch. That’s not to say they have Lebron, or anyone else locked up already, but I think they make very measured moves, and the fact that they’ve been so aggressive is telling.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
And I really like that JR is there, presumably to talk business with LeBron.
Hate him or not, JR is a top-notch, well-respected, uber-successful businessman. LeBron will surely respect that.
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
MJ always did.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
I like the way our front office has gone about it
Speak softly, carry a big stick. Just like we did with Kobe, not a bunch of nonsense, we’re about basketball here. If that’s not enough for you, so be it.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Reinsdorf, Pax, Gar, Thibs
That is the very definition of no-frills recruiting.
dust off the jeans!
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"Don't nag, flag!"
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
JR to Lebron
“We have a team rule that says no Yankees merchandise on Bulls property. I’m from Brooklyn.”
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 30, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
heh, the 'presentation'
I can just picture Gar Paxdorf arguing over which font in slide 4.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
As long as Pax keeps his hands to himself, probably wouldn't be good for Gar to show up to meet LeBron with a nice shiner
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
oh shit
transitions, fonts, backgrounds….then they’ll fail at embedding video and Lebron just rolls his eyes and waits for it to end…we lose.
D:
Scottie Pippen would be a great call..
Jay Williams too. Let Jay cry about how great the Bulls were to him, and how they took care of him and how loyal they were, maybe it’s get the point across to at least have LeBron not go to Miami, which is clearly the worst case scenario now.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
TWolves making a run at Rudy Gay
http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/97358859.html
IDK, this is an interesting team. IF they can get Ricky Rubio to come, IF they can trade Al Jefferson for some nice pieces. Interesting that they want Gay since they just drafted Wesley Johnson out of Syracuse.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
The only problem is, I'll bet Rudy doesn't go there
Why would any player sign with Minnesota in this market? He’ll have his pick of the litter once the Lebron smoke clears, and even then, the Grizzlies can match any offer. Kahn should just go and look for another point guard.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Bosh statement
“I think everybody is going to be going at him first. They’ll probably call him at 12:01,” Bosh added. “Hopefully they’ll call me at 12:02.”
We all heard or read about this already. Wouldn’t that be some statement from the Bulls to make HIM priority #1, regardless of their place in line for LeBron? Give Bosh the call at 12:01.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 9:51 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
The player can only answer one phone...
So, 29 teams call Lebron at midnight, 28 get a busy signal…while the Bulls call Bosh.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Exactly
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Rockets will be calling Bosh
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
He will push IGNORE
haha
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pierce opting out too
Just filed to ESPN.com: Celtics’ Paul Pierce is opting out, too. Has notified Celts he’ll become unrestricted free agent. Link forthcoming
Pierce would have the same max as Nowitski, which makes it very difficult for teams to compete with the Celts if they really wanna keep him
Although I really don’t think a franchis should be too excited about giving that guy, that kind of money, including the Celtics. If I were them I might be looking to cut bait, find a better option, and rebuild around Rondo.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
tough call for sure
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Smart move on his part
Anyone able to opt out and try to get some long term security before the new CBA agreement kicks in is smart. Especially Pierce. He could have a poor season next year and lose lots of value.
At least now, he might be able to cash in on desperate teams who miss out on LeBron, JJ and Wade
haha, which sadly could be us
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
you don't know that. YOU DON"T KNOW THAT!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jun 29, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
lol, worst case scenario
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
There's no way in hell Paul Pierce plays for the Bulls next year.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think Pierce gets anywhere near his max
Though I still think he retires with the Celtiics
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
If you combine the reports of WWW telling the Bulls they have a great shot
with the Woj stuff about the power struggle that’s going on, I really don’t know what to make of it all. A big part of me feels like this could be very bad for the Bulls.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
Look
Agents have a unitary goal this summer. Extract as many contractually committed dollars from the owners as possible before the lockout next Summer.
Wes, Maverick Carter, Bosh, Wade, Lebron, Leon Rose, and all of the players and all of the agents know where the gold at. Whatever they have to do to get the owners to part with it will be said.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 30, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
till?
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
11 o' clock!!!
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
lol, alright!
What happens at 11 tomorrow morning?
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Brunch?!!
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
SWEET!
Will LeBron be there?
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Stephen A. Smith has not reported on that yet
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe he's too embarrassed about his last report
which will prove to be one desrving of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Sources report:
(insert bad rumor here).
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 29, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Yao will opt out, then promptly be signed and traded to the Wiz for Arenas…Bosh will then be signed and traded for Scola…Houston will reportedly sign Shaq to a minimum salary to play alongside this group…the Big Diesel Oil Rig.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 29, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
yao already said he is not opt ing out
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 29, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I did not get the memo...
The he will just be traded straight up for Arenas…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Is this RealGM now?
Now I know where you get all those wonderful gifs
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
LEBRONAGEDDON!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jun 29, 2010 10:10 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Normally, NFL free agency does too
This totally trumps NFL free agency though. Probably will trump a lot of free agencies to come.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Technically isn't it more like Chanukkah? Because we'll be seeing many new presents unwrapped over the course of several days.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Hopefully not
Then all our presents would be socks. Maybe we’d get a CD? Meh.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
wade-l, wade-l, wade-l
I made you out of clay….because he’s injury prone…..
ug, that’s just bad. Sorry. Maybe it’s bad enough to be funny on it’s own level, but probably not.
::hangsheadinshame::
Broussard just tweeted
That the Nets are now in the hunt after clearing 3 more million worth of cap space
2010:The year that changed everything
LOL
I called it, tommorrow the Clippers will take the lead
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
and this his news how... think everyone knew they are kinda in the hunt
I would shit myself if LeBron went to the Nets
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 29, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
mainly because they were the worst team in the NBA last year
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
not sure what i would do if he came to the bulls??
probably do more then just shit myself lol
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 29, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
2010:The year that changed everything
by BullsTitles on Jun 29, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
In the hunt for what?
Paul Pierce, Flip Murray and Ricky Davis?
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 29, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
That fucker is well on his way to being the most hated man in America
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Wade currently holds that title.
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jun 29, 2010 10:39 PM CDT reply actions
well it will be Lebron for sure after he's got have the nation dicknotize
It’s the new word I made up derived from hyp·no·tize,
LeBron as us all Dicknotized
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 29, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
haha just google the word dicknotize for the hell of it...
urban Dictionary:
Dicknotize: phenomenon that occurs as a direct result of a good, deep dicking. Common symptoms include, but are not limited, to poor judgment, irrational behavior, short attention span, scarred fashion sense, loss of under clothing, and an overall glassy look in the eyes coupled with inane utterances. The only known cure is a good, old fashioned bitch/pimp slap administered by a close friend.
sounds about right!
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 29, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
my bad button slip...
there’s nothing more we can discuss about lebron…it’s either he comes or he doesn’t,
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 29, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
You're about to be dicknotized:
Watch the balls and listen to the sound of my voice……
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jun 29, 2010 10:48 PM CDT reply actions
am I the only one
Imagining a “newton’s cradle” kind of thing with balls right now?
Alright guys im out
Hopefully when I wake up in the morning I will learn that LeBron and Obama were seen at White Castle eating sliders at midnight discussing LBJ’s future and that Rich Bucher is saying 100 percent chance LeBron is headed to Chicago…CYA
2010:The year that changed everything
I swear, if people keeep misspelling Ric Bucher's name there's gonnna be hell to pay
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
HAHAHA my bad
I always do that when I spell that fools name lol
2010:The year that changed everything
by BullsTitles on Jun 29, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
well thats what happens when your parents give a shitty name like that...
i mean come on what happened to the K in rick?
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 29, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Not relelvant to this comment
but the misspelling of Redick on this site has been driving me nuts also.
by Bulls Fan 4 Life on Jun 29, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Crazy
2010:The year that changed everything
by BullsTitles on Jun 29, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Only 24 more hours til we have to wait a week to find out where Lebron signs! Yea!!!
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I know, I know
At least we could have actual news, instead of the usual bullshit 24 hours from now. I just think it’s funny how people are acting like Lebron is gonna make an announcement at midnight tomorrow
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
And when I say "people", I didn't mean you
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm kinda glad I'm working during the day.
and I can’t be surfing the net for this stuff. I think it’d make me even crazier.
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
Ha.. he seems to be confused
I’m surfing this because I’m at work. If I wasn’t at work I’d be doing something better with my time.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
yep, same here
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Where the fuck is Wojnarowski to talk shit about this asshole?
At least Lebron has the decency to shut the fuck up for the most part. Bosh has got fans in Toronto jumping off rooftops and he’s acting like a kid that’s about to get laid for the first time.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree, Bosh has been the most insufferable of all these guys by a mile.
Must be because he’s stuck north of the border where no one really cares.
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
And man, that really is a douchebag tweet by Bosh
Might as well say "Fuck you, Raptors fans! Peace out!! AHAHAHAHA!!! FINALLY!!!’
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
Wow
He’s stopped pretending he’s going back to Toronto at least.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
You all need sleep.
Anxiety and nervousness take years off your life.
by Scottie's Nose on Jun 29, 2010 11:18 PM CDT reply actions
http://www.livescience.com/health/080115-stress-kills.html
by Scottie's Nose on Jun 29, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I only feel stress when I don't feel stress
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
I've gotta say, props to Ric Bucher for bringing some actual logic
to the conversation regarding this whole “Superteam” thing. If Lebron teams up with those guys, it almost ruins his whole mystique. I just can’t see him going to Wade’s town to get him more rings. I don’t care how many hookers they’ve shared.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
That was a great piece by Bucher just now on SC.
Some people give him shit, but I think he’s the best NBA reporter ESPN has. I like him.
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
so few people on ESPN are worth a damn
nice to see someone who is
The Knicks' plan, according to Ian Thomsen of SI
is to convince James, Bosh, and Johnson to accepting starting salaries of $11.5 million…lolz
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
Are they out their damn minds?
If that nonsense works I’m going to become a full-time hockey fan
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
This report should make us realize the Knicks really have no chance
The Heat are who I’m worried about most. I’d be concerned about the Nets, but fortunately they’re not in Brooklyn for another three years
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
Thats a fucking genius idea.
Major props to the Knickerbockers
by Scottie's Nose on Jun 29, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude, you can't make this stuff up:
In addition, the Knicks can warn James that if he doesn’t want to join them, then he should consider how he’ll feel competing against Johnson, Bosh or Stoudemire and one or two more stars by 2011-12. As they’ll tell James Thursday, they have no choice but to build a championship team — with or without him. They will encourage him to decide quickly, in order to help them recruit a big winner.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
That's just incredible stuff. Go Knicks!
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
The Knicks will threaten LeBron into joining their shitty team...
IS THIS REAL??? i mean cmon..
by Scottie's Nose on Jun 29, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's it, I don't care anymore. Give me the Miami Superteam. I just wanna see these assholes fail miserably
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
i really don't see the three of them going to mia
mia. noway, no history there
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 29, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
Yep, that’s how you do it. If he won’t join, threaten him with your nonexistent super team.
by Stacey_Is_King on Jun 30, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Honestly
Lebron + Bulls could still probably beat JJ + Bosh + Knicks
by Stacey_Is_King on Jun 30, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
not even probably
Noah can take Bosh and LeBron can take JJ, and the rest of their team can go suck in a corner while Rose scores 50 points a game.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
God i hope Derrick is still putting up scoring numbers
after we get LBJ and another top tier FA. I’d hate to see his numbers drop. Obviously I’d trade a drop in his numbers for a championship but we all know he can increase his scoring to over 25 a game within the next couple of years…
by Scottie's Nose on Jun 30, 2010 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions
lmao. rec’d. funniest bit is the “1 or 2 more stars”, somehow theyre going to put an all star team on the court
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions
It's not a bad plan
They can’t win him over with their roster, so why not sell him on the city? It’s really the only hand they can play right now. It’s desperate, but what else do you expect them to do?
You'd think these past few years would have humbled that org.
But no, just as arrogant as ever.
You’re going to walk in that room and tell the best player on the planet that if he doesn’t sign with you, well, you’re just going to have to kick his ass?
Wow.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 30, 2010 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Very interesting SI story on how the Knicks plan to recruit Lebron
Apparently they want to lowball James, Johnson and Boozer/Bosh?Stoudemire all so they can win on the WORLD’S GREATEST STAGE. What a joke. Here’s the link.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
....we posted the exact same thing at the exact same time again.
I need to go to bed.
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
by Illini15 on Jun 29, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
haha
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
if that happens is say
we sign amire or boozer and wait for melo
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 30, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Nick Friedell's buzzkill worse case scenario is not worth fretting about. Even if the Bulls do wind up losing out on all the A and B free agents
there would than be more than enough to re-sign Tyrus Thomas which would provide the BaB community to re-ignite the great Taj-TT debate and fans would no longer have to worry about how crushing it would be if the the Bulls had signed LBJ/Bosh and still failed to bring home a 7th trophy. If Chris Duhon was also added this could stir up a heated debate on whether we could justify keeping both him and Pargo.
If this wouldn’t be enough to keep the blog buzzing, some fans could switch over to once again re-direct their energy and attention to the 2 baseball teams who are still not theoretically out of the pennant race..
On a side note, just to change the subject from (LBJ this, LBJ that, LBJ the other thing), I ran into someone last night who lived 3 doors from Dennis Rodman and he said DR was a very nice neighbor when he was sober, but there were many domesic disturbances when he was out of control due apparently to his severe drinking and crystal meth addictions. I was dismayed to hear this because I always fantasized that Dennis could come back someday to be the Bulls big-man coach to teach Taj and Noah some of his subtle dirty tricks, especially now with Thibs at the helm.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Jun 30, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
The worst case scenario
is a complete wiff and no FAs other than D-Leaugers. Nick doesn’t outline the worst case scenario he outlines the mid-case scenario. I could care less… I’m watching this team next year regardless.
Bosh or Bust
by JockstrapNoah on Jun 30, 2010 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
if anyone else lives in la
broussard and a few more espn analysts expected to be speaking on 710AM (espn radio) in about 5 minutes
broussard spewing his summit bullshit again
saying they met but did not come out with an agreement to join forces yet
boozer is option #2 for miami
bosh will not push for s&t to cleveland so if bosh wants to play with lebron it will be outside cleveland
Definitely helps our Bosh sweepstakes knowing that he’d have to play center in Miami. He definitely wants to play his true position.
yes i thought that was a very very big point
bosh supposedly wanting to play his natural position at the 4 with his new team
Couldnt they resign J. ONeal...
Or S. ONeal to minimum deals to play center alongside Bosh?
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Odd feeling
I have this odd feeling that Bosh doesn’t end up with either Lebron or Wade. Just see him going his own way for some reason.
There are possibilities.
Houston, New York, or the Lakers.
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Does anyone else think that the media is downplaying LeBron to NY?
I believe it is still more likely than him signing with Miami to team up with Wade
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2010 12:12 AM CDT reply actions
NY is not happening.
You don’t have to worry about. NJ.. I would say is possible.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
ESPN's Summit Show
Anyone else watch that earlier tonight? Aside from LeBatard the other three had us getting LeBron and Bosh (Wilbon, Kornheiser, Simmons).
Just trying to keep things optimistic.
Amar’e Stoudemire and Suns make progress in contract extension talks on Tuesday night, and will talk further on Wednesday, sources tell Y!
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2010 12:21 AM CDT reply actions
Jalen Rose
jalenrose #nba lots of talk about free-agency…I gave you the updates 1st…if I was a free-agent the best job is w/the Nets for many reasons!
What does that mean? Does it mean free agents will go there or that’s where he would go?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
Based on the "if I were a free agent part"
I’m pretty sure he’s saying he’d go there.. if he was a free agent.
It's interesting how the media felt that the Nets were out of it when they didn't land the number one pick, now..
they are in the hunt. Harris, Lopez, and Favors is a terrific core. I would rather take Rose and Noah over their core in a heartbeat though. Who knows how Favors will turn out.
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
and they could sign LeBron outright
then trade Favors for Bosh in a S+T. They almost have enough for two max contracts outright.
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2010 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
couldn't we do the same?
sign one outright, S&T Deng for the other?
then it’s our remainder >>>>> their remainder, unless you think the reason we won a ton more games was entirely Deng
OMG
The Knicks are targeting Joe Johnson as their No. 1 free agent choice and believe he’s a better fit for the team than LeBron James, according to an NBA source with knowledge of the team’s plans
According to hoopshype.com. And i thought this franchise couldn’t get any worse. They’ve heard all the rumors saying Lebron is more likely to go to the Bulls/Heat/Nets than the Knicks and now they’re acting like they don’t even want him. So they’re going to trying to convince everyone they spent years tearing down their roster for…Joe Johnson. They’re acting like a schoolgirl with their “let’s get married… wait a minute, you don’t like me? Well I never liked you anyway” attitude.
It's ridiculous
The only thing that would make sense is if they get JJ to sign first then convince LeBron that they have a star in NY. That team still wouldn’t contend anyways. There only pieces would be LeBron, Gallinari, and Johnson. I would take Rose, Noah, Deng, and Taj over that core, maybe (slightly biased though).
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions
My interpretation is they’ve given up on Lebron and are trying to stroke JJ’s ego to make him feel wanted by them
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
As a side note.
I’m sick of “max” free agents all earning different amounts. Is LeBron’s max greater than JJ’s max? Who has this information?
Bosh or Bust
There's people on this site that could tell you this stuff way better than I could
but I think the basic idea is that the maximum size of a players contract is based on how long he has played in the league. From what I understand, Lebron, Bosh and Wade all have the exact same max number (somewhere around $16 mil) because they all came into the league in 2003. Guys like Pierce and Dirk have a higher max because they’ve been playing longer. I think there’s a lot more to it than that, but that’s kind of how I understand it.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 30, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Cool thx
That makes sense.
Bosh or Bust
by JockstrapNoah on Jun 30, 2010 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions
And...
David Lee, Rudy Gay, Raymond Felton etc. have a lower max of 25% of the new salary cap because they been playing less than 7 years.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
I wonder how they will make the announcement of leBron's signing?
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 30, 2010 12:52 AM CDT reply actions
He picks from a row of hats...
just like the high schoolers.
Through Derrick Rose's publicist
…“This is a crazy time for me and Jo.”
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2010 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Woj talks about what it might take for Bosh
Sources said the Raptors will try to acquire draft picks and young players in return for Bosh. They would likely ask for forward Michael Beasley(notes) and point guard Mario Chalmers(notes) in any deal with the Miami Heat. If Bosh were to go to the Chicago Bulls, the Raptors like forward Taj Gibson(notes) and center Joakim Noah(notes), though Noah could prove impossible to pry from Chicago. If Bosh settles on the New York Knicks, the Raptors would try to engage in a double sign-and-trade that sends Knicks forward David Lee(notes) to Toronto.
I still wonder how a David Lee sign and rtade would work
Lee would have to want to go to Toronto, and him and the Raps would have to agree to a contract. That sounds like an awful lot would have to come together to make that work. I wonder if Gibson, Charlotte’s first and a trade exception gets it done for the Bullies?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 30, 2010 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions
How about the possibility
that Chris just walks away when both the Bulls and Heat refuse to give up the ridiculous amount of talent Toronto expects back?
by Scottie's Nose on Jun 30, 2010 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe the Raptors compromise and settle for Deng and Gibson? I think the raptors think they have more power than they actually do and once they realize they are not in a great bargaining position they’ll settle for a little less.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions
They don't want Deng
They already have a bad contract with Hedo and Deng plays the same position. They’ll want young talent and draft picks.
The only way I see that happening is if we somehow took Hedo back. Not sure how it would work, but I could live with Hedo as a 6th man if it meant Lebron/Bosh on the team. I am a little worried that we may be in a spot where it requires trading Noah.
People are overthinking this trade thing
Colangelo himself, in a Toronto interview, sounded resigned to the fact that he probably wasn’t gonna take in a huge haul for Bosh. Maybe all he’s really looking for is one or two decent young players and a trade exception. It’s also worrisome from the Knicks/Nets/Heat perspective because they could just as easily pull off a trade. I think it comes down to where Bosh wants to play.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 30, 2010 2:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Taj is a pretty decent pick up in a sign and trade
Throw in a couple draft picks, including the Bobcats and they get a pretty solid deal for an S&T anyways.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions
LeBron James' posse squabbles.
The stand-ins on Waddle and Silvy this morning bring up an interesting point. None of the people in James’ huge posse can agree on the best place for him to go. This is the reason, they believe, that there are so many conflicting reports on where James is leaning. Different guys with different agendas are giving different info to different people.
And by the way - I GUARANTEE that James, Bosh, and Wade will not end up in Miami
I promise you that. You can come to my place and cut off my left arm if it happens. That’s how sure I am that it won’t.
which arm do you type with?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 30, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
thousands of opinions...
but amazinlgy, nobody mentioned the fact that the bulls have a no head band rule, and obviously lebron loves his headband….any concerns about this????
"You know, when you said that last time, I was kinda trippin right. But now...you're right. I am crazy...But you know what else? I dont give a fuck."---Bishop in Juice
by chi_till_eye_die on Jun 30, 2010 2:34 AM CDT reply actions
didn't they already get rid of this rule?
I know you’re being sarcastic, but I remember something about this rule being thrown out.
not being sarcastic at all
i havnt heard anyhing about the headband rule being tossed, but imo, it should. It would be ridiculous for that silly little rule keeping him from coming to the bulls.
"You know, when you said that last time, I was kinda trippin right. But now...you're right. I am crazy...But you know what else? I dont give a fuck."---Bishop in Juice
by chi_till_eye_die on Jun 30, 2010 2:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I’m a huge Lebron fan but even i think if that was a rule and it stopped him coming he’d look ridiculous. He’s not going to base a life changing decision on where he can wear a headband.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2010 2:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I’m fairly certain the Bulls would allow LeBron to wear a headband if it were a question he asked relating to his decision. If the Bulls say no to him concerning the headband rule, I’ll convert to a Bucks fan.
Check out Lebrons very own comments on the subject from a few years ago:
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 30, 2010 3:47 AM CDT up reply actions
LeBron looks weird without one on I always thought.
Good god…if the Bulls are this stubborn…Reinsdorf should show up at the meeting with a headband on.
Broussard on live SportsCenter just now
On LeBron: “All fluid. So much could happen.” Talking about the Nets angle again. He’s giving a “slight edge” to the Cavs. Don’t rule out possibility of him signing a three-year deal there, but cites next CBA as a big uncertainty.
On Pierce: Most expect him back in Boston. Broussard thinks it will work out.
On Dirk: “He will be a Mav.”
On possibility of Melo trade, per Denver Post article: “This is possible.” He’s gone if he doesn’t sign the extension. “There are teams working behind the scenes” to try to entice Melo. He singled out the Knicks as one of these teams. Broussard thinks Melo will be a Nugget next season.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 30, 2010 8:09 AM CDT reply actions
I really can't take Broussard's takes on LeBron's status too seriously.
Just in three days, it’s gone from the Bulls having the edge, to them being neck and neck, to the Bulls and the Heat, to maybe the Heat, to back to the Cavs again.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 30, 2010 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions
They are still estimates...
No one will know the exact amount of max salaries and the cap until after the July moratorium…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
exactly
I’m surprised he didn’t even mention that. Larry Coon is smart. maybe the four-letter made him take it out so he could sound more definitive. MSM seems to like that.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
And it's already outdated haha
What needs to happen to get to this amount? Kris Humphries must decline his contract option and become a free agent. The Nets also need to renounce all free agents.
From NY Post:
Now they’re looking to see if they can find a home for another power forward, Kris Humphries, who exercised his $3.2 million player option. Humphries showed worth last season.
Go Humphries go!!
by YaoPau on Jun 30, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
At 3.2 million
I don’t think it’d be hard to find a taker would it?
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I mean worst case for them
I’d think a bad team would take his one year deal and a future draft pick if they really need to get him off their hands.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd take on Kris Humpries if the Bulls weren't in this thing.
He’s got talent; just came out of school too early.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
That actually tells me
absolutely nothing. May as well say (insert name here) just came out of school too early…
?
What do you mean, it’s obvious what it tells you.
He believes Humpries wasn’t ready for the NBA when he first got here, and his performance suffered because of it. As he’s developed into what he would have become had he stayed in college, it’s clear now he has talent, he just wasn’t ready.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Really?
It means to me that he wasn’t ready for the NBA. He didn’t get the requisite playing time to improve. It means that I wouldn’t look at his career numbers as a good indicator of his abilities because they were woefully brought down by his first couple of years. It means that I looked at his past couple of years, since he’s only 24 years old, saw they were have been good and improving with his increased playing time. It means that I would expect him to continue to improve over the next couple of years.
Yes, I could say Patrick O’bryant just come out of school too early, but you’re leaving out the other half of the sentence of “He’s got talent…”, which you can’t “may as well say (insert name here)”
I’m sorry that I didn’t realize you were looking for a more complete explanation.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
These are the ones I hate most:
More “Bron looks at apartment in NYC” stuff today
http://gothamist.com/2010/06/29/report_knicks_behind_nets_in_lebron.php
Of course he's going to look.
If he’s going to live there, he’s going to, um, need, um, somewhere to live?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Which BTW, is probably the most expensive place to live
of all the places he’s looking. Not that it matters with his fat paycheck, just saying.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 30, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Bulls to target Bosh first?
it is so frustrating that the best place to chat about the bulls is dominated by a whiny drama queen moderator with a man crush on an average SG......6 recs
by BigforkBullsFan on Jun 30, 2010 9:47 AM CDT reply actions
WAYYY off topic
but it’s too bad Bosh cut his hair, or we could’ve seen him in the new predators movie
Bosh and the late Chris Henry
Both would be fine candidates.
RIP, Chris Henry, and no offense meant. He kinda looked like he could be in the predators movie though.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 30, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
WORD
That’s what I suggested last night. Make the dude feel special, let him know that we want to build around HIM, not around LeBron. LeBron is a critical piece, but Bosh is probably going to wind up being most expensive either way, so he’s got to be the guy we get. We can be a top 3 or 4 team with JUST Bosh, so lock him up early.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 30, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
FYI
that’s a link to this. I dig this strategy.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 30, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I prefer this strategy too.
LeBron could easily stay home, Bosh is definitely going somewhere. Let’s make it Chicago. Bosh, Noah, Rose and whatever else we do with the rest of the roster is a great team. Without LeBron we still compete for a championship.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the most important thing to notice
Is that clearly Joe Johnson isn’t the first target.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
yes, i feel stupid
or maybe I’ll just be delusional instead and feel they heard my rant
My main point that Joe Johnson sucks is still true.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
especially since the Bulls meeting is on Friday.
derrr…
is it cleveland and NYK tomorrow?
Bulls Miami friday?
Nets and…, um… clippers on saturday?
Doesn’t James know there are world cup games this weekend?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I thought it was Nets and Knicks on day one
I guess I always thought the Bulls were one of the last two.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 30, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know the schedule, actually.
I just remember reading somewhere Chicago was on Friday. Don’t remember where.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
::shrugs::
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Question
Is Bosh going to demand sign and trade max money? The article on PBT says he is, but you’d think he would meet his new team somewhere in the middle. We need to keep some good players to continue to buld around him.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
Do you think we would trade our good players in an S&T?
It’s not like Rose or Noah are going anywhere. It’d be Deng or Gibson or Johnson, all guys who we can replace. Deng because we’d have a ton of money freed up, and Gibson / Johnson because they are just average players.
We have enough money available that if we sign Bosh in an S&T, we can still sign other players, if we don’t trade Deng, maybe not a Max type guy, but we’d have no trouble filling out the roster around him.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
No, not Rose or Noah
But in order to get someone to take on Deng’s contract, they might demand another of our good young players and a draft pick. Steep price to pay, I say. Deng, Taj, and a 1st for a guy who we could just sign outright seems quite steep to me. Just saying.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 30, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Deng would suck, especially if they don't get James.
They shouldn’t trade deng for Bosh, in my opinion. That makes an improvement, but not a drastic one. a team with:
Rose - ???? ???? - ???? James Johnson Bosh - Gibson Noah - Asik
is good but not great.
Hold out on Toronto. If that happens, everyone will know Bosh’s first choice is Chicago. Then meet with james, tell him what’s up. Then the Bulls will have leverage over Bosh who will have it over Toronto. Bulls to Bosh: we have Lebron James. Sign with us to win. Bosh to Toronto: I’m going to Chicago with or without your help. Take back James Johnson and a pick and some money and help me make mine.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Rose, James, Bosh, Noah isn't great?
Are you fucking kidding me.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Read this wrong as you had one name for every other spot.
In any case that’s not what it would be. IF Deng is gone, you have plenty of salary cap space to fill those questions marks.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I wrote it poorly.
I’m sorry.
Looking back on it, I’m not even sure what I meant.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
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