BlogABron 6/29 - The Summit
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 9:52 AM CDT
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A modified version of the ballyhooed free-agent summit that was initially suggested and then downplayed by Dwyane Wade has indeed taken place, ESPN.com has learned.
Sources close to the situation said Monday night that three of the biggest names in basketball -- Wade, Chris Bosh and LeBron James -- met over the weekend in Miami to seriously discuss their futures, with a focus on the increasingly plausible possibility of those three teaming up with Wade's Heat.
Yet sources with knowledge of the meeting stressed to ESPN.com that James, while clearly intrigued by the possibility of forming a star-studded Miami trio with Wade and Bosh, has not yet committed to leaving his hometown Cleveland Cavaliers for South Beach.
One source did label Miami as the new frontrunner to land James in a package deal with Bosh and a re-signed Wade but also cautioned that James was "non-committal" with the start of free agency fast approaching.
This, with Ira Winderman's report from Miami and Stephen A Smith's bold proclamation yesterday, shows a bit in the shift of the coverage from the 'done deal' Chicago rumors.
And why not: to have this story keep moving, it makes sense to have these kinds of turns, whether they're true or not. And I'm not saying that any Miami talk is more or less true than the Chicago kind.
Reminder: ALL free agency talk, unless it's about Tyrus Thomas, can go in this post.
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I can't take it anymore. This is killing me.
Of course that’s not going to stop me from reading, tweeting, posting like a crazy person the next few days. But really I feel like an idiot letting this consume me.
I forgot Tyrus was a FA, fuck all this LeBron noise and bring him back.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 29, 2010 10:00 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
agreed.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
If the Bulls get James, the off-season is a success, and I'm satisfied.
If they actually did, somehow, for some odd reason, bring back Thomas and get Redick, I’d be ecstatic. For some reason.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
on the bulls summer league team?
byars, almond, close enough.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Hmm, doing the Deng to ORL deal and signing Tyrus and Redick would yield:
Rose-Duhon (at the vet minimum)
Redick-Pietrus
LeBron-Pietrus-Johnson
Tyrus Thomas-Taj Gibson
Noah-Gortat
Yeah, that’d work.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
no way Tyrus starts
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
This is my fantasy, Matt. Don't ruin it!
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
and does he know about the turnovers?
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 29, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
And he can make him "disciplined"
/hopeful
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
new coach!!!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
But does he get to wear his headband too?
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 29, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
around his neck?
I gangbang so hard, it would bring back curls.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 29, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
It's not a champion favorite, but it's steller defensively and exciting offensively.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
you smell it too?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Why do I feel like Wade and Riely are getting both lebron and bosh and we will be Johnson and lee
LeBitch and KG's constant showboating, chest pounding, dunking with one hand behind the ear, dancing, and pure and simple rubbing it in is so fucking annoying.
by hongydraw on Jun 29, 2010 10:03 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Because you emotionally react to whatever the last rumor was
by BoxingHideout on Jun 29, 2010 10:06 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 10 recs
things could be worse than Johnson & Lee
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Yep..
That’s still a good team. It’s as if people don’t remember the Ron Mercer era. Disappointing? Yeah, but it’s not like we wouldn’t be a top 4 team.
Rose, Johnson, Deng, Lee, Noah = Very Good basketball team.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ron Mercer...era
yep, I remember. Went to 15, count ’em, FIFTEEN, games that season. Why, I have no idea. Pathetic.
Not that it's ideal...
but how satisfying would it be to take our Rose, Noah, Deng, JJ and Lee core down to Miami and beat that dream team in a playoff series?
I’m not saying it would happen, but IF it did, it would arguably be more satisfying than if when we win it with LeBron.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 29, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
when you said mercer and mentioned rose.
i thought you meant jalen rose.
I gangbang so hard, it would bring back curls.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 29, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
*Jalene
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 29, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
From the post that was closed
Looks like a panic from Wade as much as anything.. and although it may work, I don’t feel any better or worse about our odds than I did a week ago. If he really felt LeBron and Bosh were 100% on board he wouldn’t need a back up plan.
I mean sure, he could just be the type of guy to play it beyond safe, but I’d think it’d be pretty insulting to LBJ and Bosh if they had told him, no doubt, we’ll be there in a week and then he starts setting up meetings with other teams.
I think it’s also obvious, SAS heard about the meeting between the 3 guys, drew his own conclusions about it, and decided to run with it as his storyline. It’s a no lose situation for him, he can point to this and say, we’ll they had made their minds up here, and then something came up at the last second if it doesn’t work out. No one would fault him for that, I mean, they did meet, so obviously it would seem plausible. And he got insane publicity from it.
The fact James was non-committal even after meeting with Wade suggests to me he’s still very much in play. As it’s been from the start, I think it will come down to JR proving to LeBron he’s willing to pay the luxury tax when the time comes (for Noah, Rose, etc..) and will do what it takes to build a dynasty around him. If it’s about basketball, we still have as good a chance as anyone in my mind.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 10:03 AM CDT reply actions
hold the presses
Miami Herald: No meeting in Miami with James, Wade and Bosh. D-Wade was in Chicago all weekend.
Woj Twitter
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 29, 2010 10:03 AM CDT reply actions
Woj is the only person you should trust. If he says it didn't happen, I believe him.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
actually he got the info came from the Miami Herald
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 29, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
My point is, that if Woj is reporting it, regardless of where he got the info from, I believe it.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I know for a fact wade was at the cubs sox game saturday night
they showed him and byfuglien on the jumbotron.
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Jun 29, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I heard Wade was at a Sox game Satruday night on the score this morning.
Would have had to of taken place on Sunday if that was the case.
Did Wade himself say the summit took place? IF it didn’t why would a rumor like that be started anyways and wouldn’t the camps of LeBron and Bosh quell it?
In the Miami Herald Article
It says both agents for Bosh and Wade denied the rumors.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
i checked Bosh twitter
and he talks about is watching soccer games (in the weekend) and wtf is a vuvuzela
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 29, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it's those annoying noise makers at the World Cup
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
oh, gotcha
I don’t delve into Twitter at all
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
it's the same agent, fwiw
i think
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
You are correct
That was poorly written.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Confirmed.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 29, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
It was reported in his divorce story over the weekend...
That he was in the city, but leaving from OHare to an undisclosed destination.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 29, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Undisclosed Location? He lives with Creepy Dick Cheney?
I knew I didn’t trust Wade.
by Bin Bin on Jun 29, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
or they talked on the phone
or it was before the weekend.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
You and your crazy logic...
Inappropriate.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
it just reminds me of the Jim O'Donnell report
when KC said Gar and Pax were in L.A. to talk to thibodeau, and O’Donnell for the Sun-Times said the Celtics didn’t know that, and that GarPax weren’t in the ‘assumed locations’, or whatever weird phrase he used
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
Too many places say a meeting happened. Some sources even have details of the meeting.
The agent can easily say the report is untrue without lying, when the only untrue parts are the location and the time.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Garpax were not located in the logical venues
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by swishh on Jun 29, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
heh, that was it
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
from the miami paper
Wade’s representatives said the report was untrue
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 29, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
they want to have at least the appearance
of no blatant tampering
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think they can
not while still under contract. They’re not FAs yet.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
(not that it's enforceable)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I meant that it is tampering, what Wade has been doing.
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by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Stephen A. just wiped egg off his face
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
nooo
this is crazy. this is shut out. we’re not gonna get anybody and we still need a 2 and 4. ah if we had kept gordon and TT! Panic!
The sky is falling!!!
Ask me about Tom Thibodeau!!!
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by kidronmusic on Jun 29, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe they skyped it..
Bosh loves his gadgets, I could see him being all about a web-conference.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 10:12 AM CDT reply actions
I love how there was all the talk of this big free agent party
and then guys like Amare, Boozer, and JJ started talking about wanting to come; and then everyone was like “there will be no party”; and then Wade, Lebron, and Bosh hurried up and met in another location without telling anyone; and now they’re saying things about the party being a lie because they were out of town at the time.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
bottom line still remains:
if it’s a basketball decision, Bulls have the best situation. Miami would be interesting w’ three superstars (or two superstars and a perrenial all star), but although that scenario is chock fullof style points, it lacks substance. Riley has failed as often as he has succeeded to build a champion, including several iterations with the Heat.
well more than that
i think long-term (i.e. chasing 6 or 7 rings), the Bulls are still LBJ’s best bet. Wade’s injury history plus possible decline in 2 or 3 years do make that window a lot shorter.
not to mention how it could hurt LeBron’s legacy by only winning on a superteam with Wade/Bosh. it’s sort of a lose-lose for him. if he wins, people will say “yeah so, he should have”. and if he loses, it’s a disaster for him. not that the criticism would be 100% deserved, but it would happen. and as for his Icon status, he could easily become loathed by everyone that’s not a Heat fan. something like the A-Rod of the NBA. i doubt he wants that.
by M 80 on Jun 29, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
Absolutely
If cleveland had the Bulls’ roster, he’d have resigned already. Good points about the legacy and superteam.
If Cleveland had the Bulls' roster, the Cavs would already have rings.
by kthrapp on Jun 29, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have not, do not and will not
understand this “all 3 to the Heat” stuff.
First, I don’t think Stern ever lets that happen. I also don’t see how the Union would want that (to say nothing of how they’ll react if the Union gets wind of top shelf players taking pay cuts in their prime — no one reporting on this seems to understand labor’s role and its influence — it’s HUGE)
Second, seriously, pay cuts? Wade gets it all and the others take a haircut. Please. Will. Never. Happen.
Help me out here if you think I’m a moron.
devil's advocate...
can the union do anything about it? I mean, the Union doesn’t negotiate their contracts, their agents do. Aren’t they, by being free agents, free to sign whatever contract they want (big or small)?
"Free to", yes. Realistically, no.
Player unions, maybe with the exception of hockey (which union still allows their members to take runs at each other and try to end careers, bafflingly as it is), are extremely influential. Getting sideways with the union, while a player is free to try to do so, is a big-time no-no. There’s an indoctrination process, whether you agree with labor unions/collective bargaining or not, and when you get to where Bron and Bosh are, you know there’s someone to answer to at the union. I can’t possibly see the players union not heavily pressuring two marquee players: (i) not to take pay cuts, since that hurts everyone; and (ii) allowing a concentration of power in one team to this extent.
Will. Not. Happen.
I assume if all 3 commit,
riley finds a way to get them all their money, moving Beasley to make it at least close.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Nobody wanted Beasley before
I assume it gets even harder now that everyone will know that taking him ensures a Lebron/Bosh/Wade trio.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
nobody wants the last pick in the first round for the next 5 years?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't you mean
every other year for the next 10 years?
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
whatever
we will trade Rose and Noah to the Lakers for Adam Morisson and Miami won’t win nuthin
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 29, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
even if you dump beasley and jones, they can't do it
friedell talked with larry coon and here’s what he picked up:
While we’re on topic of Miami, the dream scenario of having Wade, James and Bosh isn’t even possible with the way they’re currently constructed. I spoke with resident NBA capologist Larry Coon on Monday morning and after some number crunching he uncovered a few interesting tidbits:
First and foremost, the Heat simply don’t have the room right now to sign all three players because of Michael Beasley’s contract. In fact, even if they dealt Beasley away and waived James Jones they still wouldn’t have enough to offer three max deals. They would be close, but somebody, or all three, would have to play for a few less dollars. The only thing that could help ease Miami in that regard is having Toronto sign Bosh (the third player in this proposed puzzle) and then trade him to Miami for Beasley. I highly doubt the Raptors would go for something like this because of Beasley’s checkered past, but it’s possible. It also would allow Bosh to sign for more money and that extra year that the Heat wouldn’t be able to offer.
Secondly, even if the Bulls trade James Johnson, as many people expect them to, they too would fall just short of being able to able to offer a max deal to Bosh. He would have to take a few less dollars to play in Chicago unless the Bulls could work out a sign-and-trade of their own with the Raptors, which in all likelihood would involve Luol Deng. The Raptors would probably be hesitant to do this deal as well because of Deng’s history of injuries and his mega-deal that has four years and over $50 million left on it.
Bulls general manager Gar Forman and Heat president Pat Riley are going to do whatever they can to massage the numbers in their favor, but to say that anything is a sure thing at the moment is a major stretch given all the chaos which continues to surround this process.
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bulls/post/_/id/1088/right-now-lebron-news-just-rumors
So basically the only way they can do it is if Toronto does the S&T and takes back Beasley.
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by anorexorcist on Jun 29, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
I agree with the max money stuff
LeBron owes it to the NBA to take a max deal. He has to. He can’t go to Miami for less because that would ruin things for future Free Agents. Add to it that the league is going into Bargaining with the Union, the Union cannot have it’s players taking less money and giving the league any kind of leverage at all.
by niuhuskie224 on Jun 29, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
How would it ruin things for future free agents?
Everyone would know that Lebron took less, not because he didn’t deserve it, but because it’s all the team could afford. In no way would this set a precedent.
Are you saying that no one in NBA history every took less money to go to their desired team? If they did, did this ruin things for the free agents afterwards?
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Don't think when the NBA
goes to the table, the table where they already hold all the cards, that they won’t play this heavy. It’s the same reason all leagues will intervene when a player will take less money. It happened with Mauer this year in MLB. The union stepped in and said he had to get as close to the big money as he could or else it would screw other future Free Agents over.
by niuhuskie224 on Jun 29, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But he didn't...
He’d have made more if he waited to see what the Yankee or Red Sox would pay him. Sure the union may want you to do something, but you can do whatever you want.
Just in this town Konerko turned down a bigger contract to stay with the Sox while in his prime. Once you’ve signed the contract it would be hard to lower it, but plenty of guys take discounts.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
MLB really has nothing to do with the NBA
Because of there being no cap and the luxury tax being so high that only 2 or 3 teams ever pay it, precedent plays a much larger role in salary negotiations.
In the NBA, all the top players get the max, it really doesn’t matter what the guy before him got. Carmelo and Durant are not as good as Lebron. Is there any doubt that both will still get the max, even if Lebron chooses to play for less? If your answer is “no”, then it’s clear why the union will only slightly care about this.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
But if those guys are
accepting lets say $13mill a piece, it effects everybody else this FA period, will people be willing to pay a JJ, Lee, Boozer, Amare what they want.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jun 29, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
That doesn't free up any cap space, in fact it loses some, slightly.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Deng to Orlando deal won't result in Bosh and LeBron...
And truly we won’t know how much we need to clear until the cap is set. Bet case scenario is if Toronto takes Deng and spare change (Taj or JJ & a draft pick) for Bosh in S&T…
gains some, slightly.
Pietrus – Gortat salary a little less than one less cap hold.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Oh right. D'oh. Still not enough, though.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
4 years and "over $50,000,000" is not a bad contract for Luol Deng.
Especially for them.
They could roll out:
Calderon – Jack
DeRozan – Weems
Deng – Turkoglu* – DeRozan *buy him out or something.
Bargnani – Davis – Evans
Amir Johnson – Alabi
They wouldn’t be too horrible. Could they do better?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
They aren't buying out Turk
For what his 4 yr $40M left, or whatever it is.
But I do think a
Calderon-Jack
Turk-Derozan-Weems
Deng-Turk-James Johnson and they can have our pick and our Charlotte option
Barg-Davis-Evans
Amir-Alabi
Isn’t a terrible base…..and is certainly better than the crazed new york fans who keep saying trade Eddy Curry’s expiring deal with Chandler or Gallinari….
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
The article neglected to mention if Pax would assist Gar in the massaging.
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by Rex Grossman on Jun 29, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
This is great
This is why LeBron/Lee or LeBron/Johnson seems like it would work much better. Worry about what to do with Deng afterward.
If James comes to Chicago, my nickname for him will be....
…The Global Icon
He’s not quite and MJ (literally?) is, but he wants to be, and he could be. It works on a variety of levels.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
He certainly will be..
but I’d say he is already.. But there’s still room for growth in that arena. Especially with some titles under his belt.
by NerdVernacular on Jun 29, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
well that seals it
LeBron, come to Chicago, Tyger has given you a nickname.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I just needed to declare something so I can be relevant again.
/Smith’d
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 29, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
angryandy
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 29, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
It was actually
/Stephen A’d
but I didn’t want to give him credit by using his first name and middle initial
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I saw the "breaking news" thing on ESPN last night
And my first thought was not what this means for the Bulls next season, but what it would mean for BaB today.
So your first thought was that it was more BS and was wondering how we were gonna deal with it?
by Option27 on Jun 29, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Pretty much
Aside from the fact that it wasn’t couched as a done deal at all, we still have nearly 2 days of this. It’s not like any of the rumors haven’t been contradicted within a day to point. Hasn’t stopped some people around here from a total spaz out though.
So the summit was in Chicago. This is why these rumors are driving people crazy. How can these “sources” not know what city a meeting is in, but can say the finer details of what’s going inside the head of Lebron/Wade/Bosh. You can’t even tell me what part of the country they’re in but you can tell me exactly what they are thinking and why they are thinking it.
So many rumors flying around, some completely contradicting others. Noone can say anything with complete certainty until we see what jersey Lebron is holding up in a press conference some time in July.
Man, that would doubly suck if they came to the decision IN Chicago.
Probably brought some folding chairs out to the UC and discussed over a picnic next to the Jordan statue.
From sendlebrontochicago.com
Keep in mind, Miami is a LOYAL organization, who already expressed their loyalty to Udonis Haslem by planning a ‘We Want Haslem’ campaign, they even surprised him on his birthday. (…)
If they stay loyal to Haslem, that would make it near impossible to clear the cap space to sign 2 guys on top of re-signing Dwyane Wade.
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 29, 2010 10:34 AM CDT reply actions 6 recs
Yeahhh
They are so loyal they got rid of their entire team in the hopes to get two new players
by Scottie's Nose on Jun 29, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
the whole no state income tax has to weight in the decision as well
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
It really doesn't
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Illinois taxes aren't that high, regardless what some people think.
And with our bigger market the advertising revenue would outweigh any income tax differences.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you're referring to state income taxes, no, Illinois' aren't that high
overall the taxes here suck though.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 29, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
aren't that high, as of now.
3%, I think. 3% of a max salary is a good chunk of change
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
3% vs. increased ad revenue
It’s not like this is NY where he’d be looking at 8% or whatever it is.
Miami is not a sports town, the revenue difference is most likely at least 3%, and if not, it would be close.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Lebron-Wade-Bosh-Charles T Mobile commercials?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Hopefully they do all come
the state could use the extra income tax revenue
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
with a salary cap and fixed total salary numbers
the same amount of money will be paid to players. illinois tax revenue will be a neutral concern. jersey sales might have a slight impact however…
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by boyonthedock on Jun 29, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Jersey sales
are shared w/ all players. All goes into one big bucket. For every Lebron jersey sale, Pargo gets a portion of that revenue because it’s an NBA product. Shoes, however, are not an NBA product.
jersey sales sold in illinois
sales tax goes to illinois.
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by boyonthedock on Jun 29, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Indeed
Although you can use jersey sales as a good measure / baseline for how well they will do in advertising other things. The player can take those numbers to Nike or Adidas or Gatorade or BMW and say.. see, this is how popular I am, and how many people want my products.
Which is why I always point to the quiet, shy, Derrick Rose of Chicago selling more jerseys than the guy who is all over TV, and has won a championship and is well spoken and out going, DWade, as an example that the market clearly does matter.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
The market matters...
but another small part is market saturation. There’s a reason that Yao’s jersey was the biggest selling jersey in China for a couple years and then it was McGrady and then Kobe. Everyone who wanted a Yao jersey already had one.
It’s the same with Wade. Unless there’s a drastic uniform design, for the most part anyone who really, really wanted a Wade jersey already had one. Rose has only been in the league for two years and outside Chicago has only had really great national exposure beginning during the Celtics series last season.
Look at Rose v. Durant then if you want
Wade was just an example. Or David Lee’s top 10 jersey sales.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
3%
of the 41 home games salary for a max deal comes out to $252,450 saved in state income tax by playing for the Heat versus the Bulls next season. Or 1.5% of the annual salary, or about one afternoon shooting a commercial.
by CubFan81 on Jun 29, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
i wish i could make
$250k one afternoon shooting a commercial (probably a bit inflated but i agree with your idea)
eh
if it doesn’t, then taking less than the max doesn’t either.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
(point is, I wouldn't suggest anything does or doesn't matter)
this could all be their surrogate father Wes telling them what to do via dartboard throw.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Only difference would be that someone's ego might take a hit.
“Wait, you want me to take a pay cut so I can play with you two! Hell naw! I’m calling that Bert looking doofus from Chi-City.”
I don't know who would be Batman and who would be Robin
But I wonder if Bosh’s ego can take being relegated to the butler.
that only applies to the heat's home games...
they still have to pay taxes when they play in the other city’s, so they won’t be saving all that much….way over hyped.
I think we should all set our expectations low so we wont get crushed when they all go to miami
It wouldn’t be so bad if we just got Boozer and anthony morrow :)
I don't mind ending up with JJ and Lee or even less
But I do mind the league with a team with Bosh+Wade+LeBron because we won’t be able to compete for years
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 29, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Not so certain about that
Remember when the Rockets had the big three— Olajuwon, Barkley, Drexler? Olajuwon, Barkley, Pippen?
Or consider the Lakers team that had Kobe, Shaq, Karl Malone, and Gary Payton. A great team that made it to the finals, only to lose to a balanced Detroit squad— Billups, Hamilton, Prince, Big Ben and Sheed.
A Heat team of LeBron, Wade, and Bosh will definitely win 50+ games, but if they’re surrounded by D-Leaguers, they’re not going to have the complete set of rebounding, team defense, and offensive options that clinches championships.
The Bulls currently have the opposite problem— they have a lot complementary pieces, but need another star to move up to the next level.
you all remember how i "stalked" rose during the all-star game
make me the official lebron correspondent and i will get you all the scoop, with fun pictures too.
(just pay my expenses though, lol)
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by anorexorcist on Jun 29, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I would hate to get the expense invoice
that a PI would bill following around an NBA player in the offseason.
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by boyonthedock on Jun 29, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Still not worried
To really build a championship contender, you need low salary, good players at some point.
I refer you back to Jamaicanpi’s great post on the cap. Let’s suppose the cap is over 55 mil and call it 56 mil. A max contract for James and Bosh would be 16.8 mil. I am not perfectly sure what Wade’s max could be, but let’s assume it to be 16.8 mil as well (Jamaicanpi or someone please correct me if I’m wrong). They currently have Beasley at 4.962 mil, Jones at 4.64 mil and Chalmers at 847,000. They would also have 8 cap holds totaling 3.789 mil. If they signed just LeBron, they would have Wade at 16.8, LeBron at 16.8, plus their currently rostered players, plus 7 cap holds all totalling 47.4 million (roughly). So basically Bosh is going to take a contract starting at ~8 mil? Hah! The Heat would need to clear Beasley for sure and probably James Jones as well to make this feasible. If they can’t clear both, all players would need to take a pay cut and they would have to make it a significant one if they wanted to have a bench with them.
Again, someone correct me if I’m wrong, but this does not seem possible unless someone gift wraps it to them by taking on Beasley or Jones contract to clear space or in a S&T.
Which, would anyone do htat
To know for a fact that they are building a super squad, you just take on Michael Beasley, who sucks, and allow it to happen?
Whatever team would do that doesn’t care about winning for the next long while.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
the grizzlies did it for the lakers
you gotta pray bryan colangelo isn’t that dumb, because he’s the only one that could make it happen via S&T for beasley (all other options still leave the heat short of signing all 3 to maxes) – oh wait….his dad was in charge of team USA.
forget it. it’s over.
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by anorexorcist on Jun 29, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Other teams should learn from that :)
That was a STUPID trade by the Grizzlies, lol
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
@ Sayre Bedinger:
Whatever team would do that doesn’t care about winning for the next long while.
couldn’t Toronto (or any other trade partner) also make that argument about the Bulls?
True enough
This is why I think the Bosh/LeBron to CHI rumors are not true…however, the Raptors could actually get some decent pieces in return from the Bulls, whereas Beasley and Jones are not good.
Also
As stupid a trade as that was, they didn’t quite hand the Lakers an unstoppable force (they were stopped a few times)…this would be gift wrapping championships
I've gone over it before.
Marc Gasol has turned out to be a very good player, and could potentially still be as good as Pau Gasol. Throw in the extra first rounders, and it worked out well for both teams long term… it just clearly put the Lakers on the path in the short term.
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Not happy bout this
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
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They have 12 comments on SAS reporting about LBJ Bosh and Wade……….WTF! 12! Their too busy getting high………
by I love football! on Jun 29, 2010 10:56 AM CDT reply actions
no blog-hate
some just aren’t as popular.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
if i were in Miami (and not a Bulls fan)
I’d be on a beach, and not anywhere near a computer
good luck
it feels like 99 today
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 29, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
actually I follow a couple of SB Nation Blogs
and none are nearly as popular as this one. In Miami I think that’s significant b/c except for Shaq’s final championship they hardly ever sell out. though I can see that changing if they get LeBron.
so there you have it
the league needs LeBron to the Heat so they can save basketball in Miami
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps that's because they've been horrible
more to bitch about = more posting?
by SidM on Jun 29, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
works here.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
yeah
I wonder what we will talking about if we get LeBosh
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 29, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
yup, that's a goodie
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Probably because it's well written.
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by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
i love that site.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
I’m not hating the blog itself…I’m just frustrated on how everyone thinks that Miami fan base is soo great.That’s all…….
by I love football! on Jun 29, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
nobody thinks that
what are you talking about?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
That's what I was wondering.
When has anyone said Miami’s fan base is great?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
bu-bu-but they all wear white during the playoffs!
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I have been too Miami,trust me Basketball isn’t that big there…
by I love football! on Jun 29, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
we all trust you
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
duh, that's what we're saying
trust us, we are way ahead of you
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
in fairness to them
there’s plenty of awesome stuff to do in Miami that isn’t overcrowded and doesn’t involved getting shot at.
So...
What if the Bulls sign Bosh and Bron. Are they going to shell out the cash for Rose and Noah in a couple years if THOSE guys want max deals?
That’s not been their past at all as a front office, but I guess they’ve not had a situation like that.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 10:56 AM CDT reply actions
That's a problem I'd like to deal with
by cubbybear on Jun 29, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
that is reportedly going to be lebron's #1 question
when he meets with the stooges this week. will you pay the tax to keep us together?
time for JR to put up or shut up. if we don’t get lebron I guarantee you it WILL leak out if the sticking point was JR’s refusal to commit to re-upping Rose and Noah (aka go into the tax). Any Bulls fan who forgives him for that or tries to justify it should be tarred and feathered and hung out to dry outside the united center. you’re not a bulls fan, you’re a management apologist.
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by anorexorcist on Jun 29, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
i've said all along though
i won’t believe it till i see it.
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by anorexorcist on Jun 29, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
In fairness to GarPaxDorf...
Big Jerry wouldn’t have allowed all the cap space clearing to go down if he wasn’t prepared for the inevitable luxury tax that this superteam would merit. All successful franchises (and even some crappy ones—NYK ;P) have to spend to win. Jerry’s gotta know that.
I said this yesterday.
Having watched Jerry’s two teams for about 30 years each, very closely, my assessment of him is this: He is perfectly willing to shell out HUGE amounts of dough….IF (if if if if) he is convinced that he’s making a very good bet.
In other words, he’s perceived as cheap b/c he won’t spend Angels/Cubs money on the Sox, but it’s due to him not thinking the Sox had the talent to compete at the highest level for an extended period. He’s perceived as cheap b/c he doesn’t head in to luxury tax territory for the Bulls, but it’s because he knows his teams have been shitty.
Jerry has to know he’s making a real good bet (MJ, for example), and, if he does, he’ll pay out the nose to be the best.
There’s really no earnest dispute here. He aint cheap, he just aint dumb.
by Bin Bin on Jun 29, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
he ok'd peavy and Rios contracts last year
at a time one was injured and the other terrible. thats 30 mil a year in risk. i think the man would realize these super bulls are worth the money.
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by boyonthedock on Jun 29, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus worst case is we could trade the unhappy
Whiners post title to keep rose….
THat’s worst case.
But you’d have to think you could fetch a pretty penny for any of these max deals, in a worst case.
Worry about the now, say what you will do, and do what you need to do later.
I do think JR will spend with the real talent though.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
It's a no-brainer
Paying $10M in tax every year is worth it financially (what JR cares about) if you are making the finals every year. No question about it. And those players may take less than max to keep winning.
Jersey sales could go up 5M per year alone.
It'll be much more than 10 million
With Noah getting paid, Rose getting paid, a mid level exception player next year, and it probably being easier to get into the luxury tax after the new CBA, the Bulls will be well into the tax.
Also don’t forget that they have to pay double the amount they’re into the tax for. It could easily be a 25 million+ tax payout before everything is done.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Who cares how much the tax is?
JR will make it up with one year of James #6 jersey sales. If LeBron asks him “If I sign here and Bosh comes with me, will you pay the luxury tax when it comes time to re-sign Noah and Rose?” does anyone here think he is dumb enough to look him in the face and say no? I don’t.
I mean not salary, only the penalty for having the best team in the league.
If we had 4 max contracts that track the salary cap and one 10M/year(Noah, I presume) and MLE and then minimums, it’d be 16.8*4+10+MLE(5.5, let’s say)+6*0.5=92.5 or roughly 18M over the Luxury tax. Worth it for a championship or 10.
the value of the team will be exponentially greater with LBJ and Bosh
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If they don't, they really suck.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'd thiink they would because, at most, it's four years of overlapping all four contracts.
And it might only be three. Do that, win championships, then decide if you want to keep Bosh and James or if you want to “re-tool” around 26-27 year old Rose.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Why not
Even if you go way into the luxury tax, you would be selling tons of merchandise, selling out and winning championships…you could afford it for a dynasty
If you look at the 12 years that
Reinsdorf could have paid the tax, when has he ever had the opportunity? Just because he is smart with the team’s money and doesn’t allow the cap to go into luxury mode without a shot a championship doesn’t make him cheap, it makes him smart.
I would feel better about a smart owner that has reasons for not going into the tax, then one who did based on stupid decisions and big gambles (James Dolan).
On top of that, they have signed big contracts and although looking bad, didn’t compound there mistakes even more by trying to patch the team up.
by niuhuskie224 on Jun 29, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cavs hiring Brian Shaw to be head coach
First one to say this helps the Bulls while ignoring that the Bulls also hired a novice head coach is banned.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 11:02 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
except the rumor was that lebron wanted to play in triangle offense
and brian shaw is phil jackson’s understudy.
I don't know
Lebron is the triangle (pt forward, super Scottie)
Mo Williams a speedy and perhaps better than Bulls era Ron Harper overall, definitely better offensively.
Varejao is a solid defender, and a hustle O player
Jamison’s another wing.
They’d be good if they had Lebron, and the triangle might make em better.
They already were a very good D team.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
Mo doesn't have half of Ron's Basketball IQ
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by J Theory on Jun 29, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
True that
but in the triangle that won’t help. I can still picture Mitch Richmond on Phil’s bench because he couldn’t learn the system.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I am not saying
I know they’d run it better than Phil did (esp here :) ), but I think it’s a better option than the let’s give it to Lebron and have him create 75% of the time, then Mo 20% of the time,a nd leave a garbage breakdown in our plan for 5% of the time.
Cleveland won because their D and the D players are good and they had Lebron.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
Any system would be better than what Mike Brown was running
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by J Theory on Jun 29, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
And with Lebron they have the key piece for the triangle and enough other pieces to maybe see if ti works….
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
Mitch Richmond
was on the bench because he was 150.
by Gentleman Jim on Jun 29, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Meh
Here’s the problem with that.
LeBron fits into many positions of the triangle, but others on the Cavs do not. In the triangle, a weakside forward who can stretch the floor and pass well is essential. Bulls had this in Kukoc and Pippen. Lakers currently have Gasol and Odom who are exceptional passers who do this well. Cavs could have this in Jamison, but he is not a great passer. Jamison is not a super fit.
Or let’s just simply compare to the Bulls or Lakers who run it well
Scorer – Bulls: MJ, Lakers: Kobe, Cavs: Lebron
Point/Passing Forward: Bulls: Scottie, Lakers: Odom, Cavs: LeBron
Stretch the floor passer: Bulls: Kukoc, Lakers: Gasol, Cavs: Williams (albeit smaller than you’d like)
Rough it up big man: Bulls: Rodman (also great passer), Lakers: Bynum, Cavs: Varejao
Another decent passer: Bulls: Harper, Lakers, Fisher, Cavs: Williams again
Here is the problem. The Cavs don’t have enough good passers. All those Bulls players were solid passers. Even Rodman was one of the smartest players you can find. The Lakers too have several solid passers in Fisher, Kobe, Gasol, Odom and even Artest. All of those guys pass pretty well.
Now, I suppose you could credit the offense as making them better, but Odom Gasol and Bryant have always been solid passers (Kobe when he wants to anyway). LeBron is a great piece for the triangle. Mo Williams is too. I don’t see any other Cavs player as a good fit in that offense.
The last dynasty Lakers though
Ran it just fine wtih
Kobe-Shaq-Horry-Fox
Cleveland’s got
Lebron (as dominant as Shaq in his own right, as a super pt forward, better than then Kobe and getting better by the moment).
Mo Williams, obviously not close to Kobe in the 2nd best player dept
Jamison—a better Horry all around (though without the big shot pedigree).
Room for the MLE, etc.
They’d be fine. I mean the Shaq-Kobe triangle wasn’t nearly as pretty as this Lakers one, cuz Gasol is a fantastic fit there…
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
If LeBron is the super Scottie in that scenario
Who is Jordan? Shaw’s triangle in Cleveland might work if they had TWO LeBron’s, not to mention 1 Phil Jackson instead of Brian Shaw.
Super Scottie
Is like an MJ.
They don’t have a lock #2, but a string of good solid 3rd/4th men….
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
Ron Harper played defense.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 29, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a good hire for the Cavs. This does NOT help the Bulls.
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by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
It might not hurt the Bulls, but it definitely doesn't help.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Been Phil Jackson's understudy for years (including back to back titles)?
That’s enough for me.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Working under Phil Jackson
and giving a good interview.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Being a very smart and good player. He's been a head coaching candidate a couple of times.
He’s been Phil’s guy the last few years when the Lakers have won two titles and made three straight Finals appearances. I don’t know what else you’re really looking for.
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by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm just saying
Usually coaches have a niche.
“_ is a defensive genius”
“_ is known for his high octane offense”
So Brian Shaw is a good candidate because he’s seen Phil coach a lot of years firsthand?
Shaw was responsible for both sides of the ball. He broke down tape with individual guys.
He’s a triangle disciple, but I’m sure he’s picked things up from both sides.
And honestly? I’d rather have a guy that’s not a “niche” guy. Both sides of the ball are important and having a guy like Thibs who is known primarily as a defense guy is a little bit worrying. I think he’ll be fine, but I don’t know that for sure.
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by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Niches are for assistant coaches, basically.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll take evidence that you've done something... anything really well
over evidence that you’ve been in the room while someone else did it.
I’m sure
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Well no one is going to credit Shaw with the things he likely did, because he did them under Phil.
I don’t see why Shaw should be penalized for trying to learn under the best.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Thibs was an offensive asst coach before the C's
"I'm going to enjoy an apple in bed." - Derrick Rose
Not true. He worked the defense in Houston, too.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
So you can't pigeon hole him but he's considered a good coach.
That sounds awesome.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
That didn't do much for Kurt Rambis, just saying
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
Agreed. Like I said, I don't know for sure that he'll succeed, but based on his resume and his work
on the microphone when I’ve heard him, he’s impressed me. That’s all. He could fail spectacularly (which will probably have more to do with whether LeBron leaves or not than anything), but it wouldn’t because he didn’t have the proper preparation.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
lol, good point
He was an understudy of the TRIANGLE, which someone once said LeBron wanted to play in!
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
what did I say?!?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not saying this helps that Bulls
I’m just asking him why he thinks Brian Shaw is a good fit when he hasn’t really done much
Because he's done all an assistant coach can do. He's worked under the best coach ever,
learned from him, and sounds like he knows what he’s on about in interviews. That’s all I or you can really judge him on. Since there were no really experienced good coaches available, I’d say it’s a good hire.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Jim Cleamons would like a word with you
by Option27 on Jun 29, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Meh, not all these guys are going to work out. I'm not saying Brian Shaw WILL succeed,
there’s no way of knowing that. I’m saying he’s got the resume and he knows what’s up in interviews I’ve seen him give.
But who else were they going to hire? Vinny?
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
They could have waited for
Byron Scott to not get the Laker’s job.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Maybe they think (like I do) that Byron Scott sucks.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
Thibodeau could be a disaster
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
If he's bad, what difference does it make what he's known for?
Teams should be hiring coaches based on more than just a reputation for one side of the ball
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by snley on Jun 29, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Right. Niches are for assistant coaches. The head guy needs to get it on both ends.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
And I've never said I'm sure Thibs is going to be an amazing head coach
I believe he will based on being in the coaching game for so many years and all of his achievements but yeah, he could fail.
I’m just happy that out of all the cheap guys, we got the one I wanted
yeah, and if you want to take in every report
LeBron prefers a coach who played in the NBA
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
not as bad as vinny though
If his good publicity now nets us some good FAs, then the increase in skill will (hopefully) offset his potential disastrous qualities.
?It helps when it hurts?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
lol
I dunno, that’s close. I mean, Thibs is recognized as being the Celts defensive mastermind. I don’t think Shaw has gotten quite the same level of publicity for his contributions in LA.
But as you said, neither has been a head coach, so maybe it’s all moot.
I read on hoopshype (which I'm sure you guys have seen)
Our man Vinny’s a finalist for the Clippers.
I actually think that helps us, since even with Sterling I see the Clipps as a risk (Griffin-Baron Davis(motivated again) -Aminu-Eric Gordon and Kaman).
I still think Vinny got a bit of a raw deal, but well I don’t know if his rep is good with the players (and I know it isn’t witht he fans)….so that helps.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
Sig
You still like your sig? You want Wade to be a Bull? Not that 1 year ago, we would’ve been thrilled to get that.
I'd be absolutely
Ecstatic if Wade came here.
Wade-Rose backcourt would be a thing of the ages. Who could you guard, with a nice passing, run the court big man like Noah, and a good mid range guy like Luol.
Amazing team.
Why anyone wouldn’t want Wade is beyond me.
Though obv 3 yr age diff I’ll take Lebron…..
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
by majoyenrac on Jun 29, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hell yeah, I'd still take Wade.
He’s pissed me off recently with his “loyalty” comments, but such things are easily forgiven.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
If it comes down to coaches
Slimeball Riley probably has the best case anyway. You totally know Spoelstra’s going to have a sudden urge to spend time with his family if Lebron or Bosh sign with Miami.
I wanted to hire him 2 years ago, it's 10x smarter than hiring Dwyane Casey or Lawrence Frank.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 29, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
what the hell was nash doing in chicago? at a cub sox game?
I gangbang so hard, it would bring back curls.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 29, 2010 11:07 AM CDT reply actions
Chicago's a pretty chill city, bro and Nash is a pretty chill bro. He probably just wanted to catch a ballgame.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
maybe he just wanted to meet Byfuglien
Canadian = hockey nut…eh?
yeah, I know
it was probably too soon for that comment. My bad.
(sob)
Why the hell wouldn't he come?
He’s rich, it’s a great city, I realize some people seem to confuse Chicago with Lincoln, Nebraska because we’re in the middle of the country, but people do like to come here just to visit.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
hey, lincoln is awesome!
j/k
where did that reference come from?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
It comes from living in Chicago
But traveling on a regular basis for work. A lot of people on the coasts look at Chicago as no different than St. Louis or Milwaukee. I assume a lot of that has to do with the entertainment industries being based in LA and NY, but it’s still ridiculous.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay, I have it all figured. Just hear me out.
The Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people, under the supervision of the reverse vampires, are working to get LBJ, Bosh, Wade and the Ghost of Wilt Chamberlain to play together on the Heat. They were all spotted together, with Dick Cheney, who, despite being in the hospital over the weekend, used astral projection to be in two places at once, at the 40/40 Club in the 23rd dimension version of Earth.
23rd dimension, you say?? What about “the Shadow”????
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 11:13 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Shannon Brown testing the free agent waters
I’ve always kinda liked that guy…
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 11:18 AM CDT reply actions
I don't know how that would work out,
but he, Lebron and Derrick would provide a helluva pre-game show!
Can he dance?
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
I don't like him.
He’d be great if he could do nothing but catch alley oops 20mpg.
by Stacey_Is_King on Jun 29, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Randy Foye a Free agent too
I wouldn’t mind him as a backup, and he could come relatively cheap for us. Might be something to look into.
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/randy-foye-can-be-yours-the-wizards-let-him-walk.php
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 11:24 AM CDT reply actions
With a team full of mid range shooters
He might work out for us as a backup.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Not unless he's playing for the minimum
which is all the Bulls can afford after paying two max guys.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Even if there was a summit, it may not have been basketball related.
They three of them could have been discussing the decline of US hegemony in the Asia Pacific or even debating the ramifications of a nascent middle class in China. We may not realize it, but they do have lives outside of basketball.
by MrBungle on Jun 29, 2010 11:26 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
How did they not throw up
while saying the word “LeBronimoes”?
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Has there been much on this 'Nike shoe' angle to Bron in CHI?
Haven’t seen much on BaB about Nike perhaps being able to offer Bron the biggest shoe promo deal ever if he’s a Bull because of the linkage to MJ. Nike owns MJ, all his footage, all their old commercials, all MJ’s future cooperation. It also owns Bron.
If accurate, this angle, along with, in my opinion, having the best substantive roster available, makes Chicago a very tough one to turn down.
could even tee up Spike Lee to throw on the painters cap and big black glasses again…awkward as that’d be.
Why can't he get the same deal in NY or Miami?
He’s still on a Nike contract, and Nike still owns all that footage.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
No Continuum. Bulls then, Bulls now. Red jersey then, red jersey now.
Having Bron in ugly Knick blue and then rolling the clip of Jordan in red, that don’t play as well from an adverts. standpoint. I’d love to hear from any marketing folks on here; I work with some of them and it seems to me the easy juxtaposition of Bron in red and Mike in red is just a global marketing bonanza of previously-untold potential.
That's just silly
If Nike ran an ad like that, which I doubt they would, it would just be one marketing campaign among many, and not any “bonanza of previously-untold potential”
They’re not going to run around for 6 years making ads comparing Jordan to Lebron. They make more money by setting him up as his own brand, and not just some Jordan imitator. Did they run ads continuously comparing Tiger Woods to Nicklaus? Did they continously compare Jordan to someone that came before him? Why not? How did that work out?
You really don’t have to be a marketing folk to know that you make the most money by promoting your brand as being unique. Why wouldn’t I just go buy some more Jordan gear if Lebron is being sold to me as Jordan II? Why am I interested in the knockoff brand?
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Well, silly in your view or not...
Dave Kaplan (who I know for a fact has a relationship with the brass at Nike) says Phil Knight personally told Kaplan he’d offer Bron the biggest shoe deal of all time if he was coming to the Bulls. The reasons are purportedly those in my post. Thanks for your expertise though.
Could easily work as well with the Knicks..
Do some kind of gym w/ LeBron playing against the ghosts of Jordan & Pippen in his Knicks uniform or something. Just spitballing, but I’m sure a creative type can easily make it work in New York.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
they'd computer-magic John Starks out of the picture
and have Lebron throw an MJ shot into the stands or something, we’d all throw up a little, and everyone would talk about it (good for them).
Bulls games are broadcast on WGN America
Most of the Bulls games with Lebron would be on national tv, but the WGN America broadcasts are a way for people to watch the team for free.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
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by NBA Observer on Jun 29, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
May have been discussed last night, but an interesting financial tidbit on the LeBoshWade trio
ESPN salary cap guru Larry Coon blew this idea of Wade/Bosh/LeBron out of the water tonight. Here were his comments on twitter:
If they re-sign Wade, waive Jones & renounce all other FAs, they will have $27,596,027 cap room. Bron/Bosh are $16,568,908 each.
So one or both of them would have to take a steep pay cut as things stand now. Good luck with that.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 11:27 AM CDT reply actions
Yes, but for what it's worth, Broussard has said LeBron has been open to this.
Mainly because he makes so much in sponsorships &c. off the court.
Still, the question remains. Would sharing the stage with Wade have the paradoxical effect of diminishing his brand? So much of his brand is about being “The King” and the guy who can really challenge Jordan’s legacy. Can he do that in a Heat uniform, splitting the spotlight with Wade?
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Now, I'm not making any assumptions.
For all we know, maybe LeBron would embrace that situation in Miami. Just putting the questions out there.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
We've all known that for a while, as all you have to do is visit the HoopsHype salary page.
What does it say about those idiot\ experts over at ESPN that it took until 6/29 to see that MIA doesn’t have the cap space? Makes you wonder if they really know anything.
Haha, I just said the same thing to someone
these salary figures haven’t changed anytime recently…
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 29, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
ESPN makes it sound like you have to be a capologist
to even talk about the salary cap. There are tons of little rules, but the main ideas are fairly straightforward.
Actually, there was a segment on SC a few days back where Bucher, Broussard, Barry and WIlbon were giving predictions, and when Barry or Broussard mentioned three FA going to MIA it looked like Bucher was dying to interrupt and say something, so maybe he actually has a brain on his shoulders, not just a little angelic Wes whispering sweet nothings into his ear.
by dakoose on Jun 29, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha
little angelic Wes… I think Wes is the devil on every FA’s shoulder
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 29, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
The question on Heat Cap space has come up many times on BAB
It’s just reader to reader help.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 29, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I prefer the term
“DeBrosh”
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by boyonthedock on Jun 29, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Sam heard Wes was behind the Miami rumor
After reading the various rumors for the past week, i tend to trust with the reporting from Wojanowski from yahoo sports regarding World Wide Wes and Maverick Carter and who’ll have influence.
Sivanandam Mani
Sam: Wojo is an excellent reporter, if a bit on the angry side at times. I’ve heard this theory a few times of the LeBron inner circle lobbying to stay in Cleveland and others pushing him away so they can have more influence. I also heard Wes was the source of the Stephen A. Smith story that LeBron was going to Miami, though that’s just a rumor as well.
Wes is really starting to piss me off.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
If he really is behind everything that he's been reported to be behind
you’d have to assume this hurts his rep with players, orgs, the league — everyone.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 29, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Well it's already ruined all the shady, man-behind-the-curtain mystique that I had in my mind about him.
He just seems like another desperate clinger-on looking to work an angle. It’s gross.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I had an Avon Barksdale-type image in my head
now I imagine him more like that creep that started all those boy bands in the 90s. I bet he drives a white conversion van with no windows…
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 29, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Lou Pearlman
is the name you’re looking for.
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by boyonthedock on Jun 29, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes it is
thanks
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 29, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
that looks like 5 unhappy men..... and bill clinton.
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by TheMoon on Jun 29, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who knows, he might be doing what he is supposed to be doing.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
If it's WWW behind all this, it might be a ploy to coax Chicago to "close the deal."
The timing of the Miami reports is a little too perfect, considering that it’s on the heels of the NYT “done deal” report.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
This makes sense. And Stephen A. strikes me as the sort of guy who is so happy he got a headline grabbing rumor he wouldn’t bother to consider ulterior motives. It just seems like the Lebron to Bulls rumors came up naturally while the Miami rumor feels planted.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 29, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Coax Chicago to close the deal?
What?? No one needs to be coaxed into putting together the best team in the league. It’s not like GarPax are sitting there debating, hmm.. maybe we should turn LBJ down and see how Boozer plays with Rose. The Bulls are going to do everything in their power to sign LBJ and Bosh. I’d think the Hinrich trade was all the evidence the LBJ team should need to see that the Bulls are serious.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't doubt that. But you never know with all of these "advisers."
The chatter has been about whether the Bulls mgmt can “close the deal,” and there has been some buzz about Reinsdorf’s supposed reluctance to pay the luxury tax if necessary, even if he’s been on record saying he’d do it if it were for the right reasons. We know that, but some of these “power players” live for getting owners to kiss the ring.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
If WE know it as you say
It’s safe to say the people who are actually doing this for a living and are directly effected by it, have a much better grasp of the situation than we do.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, after reading the Woj article...
…I’m not so sure he hasn’t told every team they have a good chance of signing LBJ if they get rid of their best players. And convincing them of it. If he wants a lot of control, I can’t see him steering James to Chicago or Miami with Reinsdorf and Riley.
NYK, on the other hand….
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 29, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe that's why it was reported that Maverick Carter (Wes's foil in the power struggle) wanted no part of New York?
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm getting the feeling he's not nearly as powerful as people think
Does he have awesome connections and people skills, sure. Do some 17-year olds and their families listen to his advice for picking a college, sure. But there’s no way superstar athletes are following his every word. (I wanted to use “grown ass men” in that last sentence.) He’s a friend of athletes, and the easiest way to keep the perception that he’s something more is by staying completely out of the public eye.
Latest Broussard tweat:
Marc Stein & I have multiple sources who saw the players in Miami Sat. denials r smart since meeting could b tampering, but our info is good 5 minutes ago via web
Well the trib has him at the Cell on Saturday.
The game started at 6 so unless they met earlier that day, Broussard and/or his sources are liars.
And Wade was in Chicago on Friday for divorce court
so, he was in Chicago Friday, flew back to Miami Saturday morning, then flew back to Chicago Saturday night?
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 29, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Wade has a twin
Now we know how he can get up 8 times when he only fell down 7.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
by runningman on Jun 29, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
maybe they meet in Chicago?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
why not?
really.
flight time is about 3 hours.
Divorce court friday.
fly to miami friday night
meet saturday morning/lunch time
fly to chicago around 2 or 3 saturday.
When you have a private jet at your disposal, flying is waaaay easier.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
If this was a dumbass college blog...
we’d have access to that website that tracks the alumni private jets flying prospective coaches in and out.
I think it is going to turn into a college situation. I can see angry signs in Lebron’s lawn if he leaves Cleveland just like Rich Rodriguez.
hmm. I wish there was an actual photo of Wade at the Sox game.
It was a night game though. That’s true.
Eh. Who effin knows.
Steve Schanwald has been a busy man
After the Bulls traded away Kirk Hinrich to the Wizards as part of the Draft on Thursday night, speculation fell to the Bulls, as reports had LeBron and Chris Bosh to the team.
In two days, the Bulls — who led the league in attendance last season — sold 1,500 new season tickets. That’s on top of the 1,500 new season tickets they sold after the season ended. That’s without actually making any acquisition, of course.
Most of the tickets, Schanwald said, were in the 300 level. Still, at the cheapest, that’s roughly $1,800 per season ticket, of which the Bulls require a 30 percent deposit.
Well played JR, well played
Now I know the source to these “rumors”
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
As much as I trust this organization is going all out for LeBron
a part of me wonders if this is all a scam (Scham?) to keep selling false hope. I realize that’s nonsense though. Although it might not be.
i'm "worried" it might be a sham by WWW.
Although, getting rid of Hinrich’s contract isn’t a bad thing. AS LONG AS THEY DON’T END UP WITH JOE JOHNSON OR CARLOS BOOZER, I’ll be okay with how things have gone. I’d rather they just have kept Gordon and Thomas and Hinrich, but whatevs.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I have to confess,
While I truly do hope the Bulls hit it out of the park and totally dominate in seasons to come, a small part of me will enjoy it if people around here end up missing Kirk.
by wjb1492 on Jun 29, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Those waiting for you to drive your car into a lake if the team didn't trade him
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
If they bomb out this Summer
I don’t know what to think. They mortgaged a nice playoff run last year to free up cap room and have basically been playing for this moment over the last couple years. We’d be as bad as the Knicks.
Depends on who the Knicks get, but they have a long ways to go to catch up to Rose/Deng/Noah
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
Well, they really can't completely bomb out
Although overpaying is certainly a risk if the big names go elsewhere.
But it won’t be the Bulls’ fault – they did what they could to make it possible, and if guys choose to go elsewhere we’re just stuck. You can’t outbid on a max contract.
They can't bomb out
Reddick, Morrow, Lee, Thomas, whoever, they can/will overpay someone to be on the team.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Isn't that what I said?
Although most of what I meant to say was the part about not blaming the Bulls if Lebron doesn’t come. Since that’s where we’ve gotten to – anyone less will be treated as a disappointment, and we’ll be treated to posts about how the Bulls org sucks.
ok
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
The Bulls can still come out of all this as the a championship favorite if Lebron doesn't come.
If the Bulls can land Johnson+Bosh and Lebron goes to NY, the Bulls can end up being better than the Knicks and Heat. Bosh is happy because he’s not hidden behind Lebron or Wade and Johnson is happy because he doesn’t have to carry a team like he did Atlanta. Meanwhile Wade is stuck in MIA and the Knicks still aren’t good enough to contend for a championship, Lebron be damned.
I think we could take Orlando.
It’s no sure thing, but it’d be a damn good series.
Rose-Johnson-Deng-Bosh-Noah is a potential 4 All-Star lineup. That’s pretty sick. Our bench would be soft, but hopefully we can find a couple diamonds in the rough after all of the dust settles.
yeah, not the favorite, in my opinion.
Still really good, but not the best.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Tim Thomas is going to be available as well
Paxson can’t quit him
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jun 29, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Only because contracts are guaranteed
But Pax can buy him out again.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
by runningman on Jun 29, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You'd have been content with a team that would never win more than 50 games?
I wouldn’t be. I’m glad they’re swinging for the fences and acting like a big market team.
by dbrown25 on Jun 29, 2010 12:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
They'd win more than 50 games, unless you think Rose and Noah have no room to improve.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
It'd be a pretty dumb strategy. The Bulls sell out every year, every game, anyway. If they sold fans the bill of goods
that they were really going all out and it comes out that they didn’t or even if they did and just failed, fans are going to be pissed. They’ve basically reached the point now where it’s LeBron or bust. I can’t believe they’d paint themselves into such a narrow window for success, as measured by their fans.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
that they'd purposefully paint themselves into such a corner (especially with no intention of actually doing anything)*
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by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
they could be doing a bit better
no-shows were growing last year, and a lot of the tickets sold are of the discounted group variety. Plus I’m sure there’s some monetary boost to being more relevant in the Chicago sports scene.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
my point is more that if they blow this offseason, people won't be coming back. they will be pissed.
to go for a temporary sales boost based on a fake FA chase seems pretty far-fetched, especially since if it’s fake, it will inevitably fail and people will be really, really unhappy.
At this point, I’m LeBron or bust and I know that’s crazy, but that’s where expectations are. Rightly or wrongly.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
If you worry, just remember how ruthless a businessman JR is
Sure he benefits from this hype in the short term, but in the long run he benefits a hell of a lot more from actually signing LeBron.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
he'll sign lebron if lebron wants to play for the bulls
I gangbang so hard, it would bring back curls.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 29, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Obviously.. that's not relevant to what Yao's concern was though.
Yao was just talking about the Bulls not being serious about trying to get him.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
the bulls are as serious about signing him as he is serious about coming here.
so it fits quite nicely into the point.
I gangbang so hard, it would bring back curls.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 29, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
The last pair in the 100's went yesterday.
That’s why all they’re selling is 300 level seats.
Damn
They haven’t done upgrades for current season ticket holders yet. If I was in the 300 level and couldn’t move up because they were selling those 100 level seats, I’d be really pissed. I’m currently in the corner of the 100 and trying to move near midcourt.
The last pair was seven rows up behind one of the baskets.
At least that’s what the saleswoman told my friend that bought that pair.
Depressing
I don’t know what’s true or false these days, but this story has me utterly depressed this morning. Missing out on Lebron would be sad, but it wouldn’t be the end of the world. Having him create a superteam in Miami and leave the rest of the league out of any championship hopes for the next few years is what is worst. If Lebron doesn’t come, I would rather see him and Bosh go to New York or stay in Cleveland so that we still have a shot at winning something.
by Niwrad on Jun 29, 2010 12:02 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
on the other hand, who's to say what's right or wrong these days, with all our modern ideas-- and products?
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
so just watched chris broussard latest vid on free agency
he pretty much said, there was a free agent summit but, LeBron did not want to verbally commit to again. Broussard said LeBron is very interested in what the bulls sales pitch will be. To wrap up Chirs Broussard is convinced Bosh will follow Lebron where he goes.
So guys this off-season is either going to really suck or really be awesome, there is no way we only get Bosh. It’s Lebron and Bosh or were looking at JJ and Amire.
That vid left me feeling very confident.
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 29, 2010 12:03 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I've kind felt that way on Bosh for a while.
Either he follow Bron to Chicago or joins DWade in Miami. Which is awesome or totally sucks, since Bron and Bosh were #s 1 and 2 for most of us.
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Noooooo!!!!!!
The Nets have traded Yi Jianlian to the Wizards for Quinton Ross, a league source tells Y! Sports.
haha you know we should put odds up of how many times he will change his mind before the 1st
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Let's not get too hasty
Given the Wizards’ roster, both Kirk and Yi should expect to be serious rotation players. Washington realizes that they aren’t players in the free agent bonanza that’s about to launch, so they’ve decided to be become buyers in a buyer’s market. They got Yi for Quentin Ross (the Nets are sending cash to cover the salary difference) and picked up Kirk and a draft pick because they were willing to pay them. For a team that isn’t going to make any FA moves, I think they’ve doing well to acquire assets.
Don’t get me wrong, they’l still suck on the court. But I’m not srue they can do much better than incremental improvement this year – which these moves likely achieve.
does this mean
kirk hinrich will now get more all-star votes than rose being on the same team as yi? :)
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
im loving this free agency >.<
nets miami ny chicago for lebron…hmm
hmm
Devin Harris
Courtney Lee
LeBron James
Chris Bosh
Brook Lopez
That kinda worries me.. oh I for to mention Jay-Z and his Russian friend.
versus
derrick rose
joe johnson
luol deng
amare
noah
nice match up
for the Nets?
yes
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Meh, the Bulls easily takethe PG and SG matchups. Deng defends LeBron better than anyone, really.
amare-bosh and noah-lopez are probably slight edges for the Nets.
I think it’d be a pretty fun matchup.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I would agree with you if Rose learns improves on D next year
But Harris and Rose IMO cancel each other out and actually may give the edge to the Nets since their interior D will be better.
I don't think their interior D will be better. It'll be about even.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I haven't really watched Lopez
but I’m assuming a frontcourt with Amare in there would be a walk in the park..
Not with Thibs and Ron Adams coaching 'em up ;-)
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Deng might defend LBJ better than anyone...
…but he still outperforms him by about a mile.
The Bulls don’t yet easily have the edge at PG. They should-I expect Rose to improve-but it’s only a small edge right now. As for SG, Lee and Johnson could close the gap significantly this year, and it could be reversed in as little as a year or two.
Slight edges at PF for bulls, in my opinion. Slight edge for Nets at center.
HUUUUGE edge at SF for Nets. It trumps all right now.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
No, he's not.
but, as I’ve stated, I expect Johnson to decline this year and Lee to improve, especially if LBJ and Bosh are on the team. At that point, they are close.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
wait wait this was posted on realgm is this really Newark? Damn..
by SoulEater7 on Jun 29, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
this isnt even the worst part of new jersey
you cant take left turns there
by regui8er on Jun 29, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey now! To be fair, that part on the right is actually Harrison, NJ.
This picture actually shows the better parts of Newark. I live in northern NJ. I know.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Downtown Newark, where the Nets will be playing, is actually not so bad.
The arena’s nice, too. And, anyway, they’ll be in Brooklyn in two years, so I’m not sure Newark will be such a drawback.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm so sorry you had to live in New Jersey for 2 years.
I have a friend in Newark. And yes, there are some nice parts of town.
But Jersey gets its wrap as the anus of America, because it is a giant shithole, and shitholes are typically anuses.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
I haven't had to live in NJ for a mere two years.
I’ve been here most of my life. Sure, NJ deserves its bad rap for some things, but I’m generally satisfied living here. It’s not all “guidos” and noxious fumes.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I doubt they’d go for Bosh. They have Favors, JJ would be a better fit with Lee coming off the bench.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 29, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
why wouldn't they go after bosh
Favors is considered very raw. You still need bench guys. As an athletic person off the bench, he can free lance like Thomas did as a rookie.
They’re not going to pass on Bosh and a dynasty because Derrick Favors might be good in 3 years. Worst case scenario (Favors is really good right away and demands a trade), they get something for him.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Are you kidding me?
Favors can go hang out in the NBDL for all the Nets care, if Chris Bosh is available.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Need you ask?
They’re not as much fun, though, right now.
I’m being very careful not to turn into that guy who suddenly had half the posts at the Thunder site after Thabo got traded….
Oh yeah, the Kirk thing
Wall now has a mentor and a global icon.
I’ll be lurking the pages of Bullets Forever but I doubt I’ll post
Nets will be the new 'favorite' by next morning
by bleigh82 on Jun 29, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
you mean by NETS morning
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
These are the times I wish for an "anti-rec" button
Or at least a “boo” button.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
by runningman on Jun 29, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
That trade really does nothing because the Nets are still Newark-bound.
Newark looks like Gary, Ind to me.
by Playboy_BullV on Jun 29, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
it's not like he'd live there.
everyone still called the Pontiac Lions the Detroit Lions.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'm-a steal a line from I think JBJerry
Lebron James isn’t going to the worst team in the League, man.
Like I said in another thread...
the point of the story wasn’t that he actually believes Lebron told the waiter that he’s signing with Chicago. It’s that he idolizes MJ so much that he’s adopted his post-game ritual.
by rinconen on Jun 29, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh, I think we get the point
it’s a lame-as-hell story
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
You know
Woj really is the best out there. Kinda makes me happy that he was the one who wrote Bosh and LeBron to Chicago was a done deal.
Has Woj even chimed in on the Miami rumor?
Dave Kaplan says the same as of 10 a.m. today
said he talked to Wade’s agent directly. No Miami meeting.
This is getting weird enough
That it seems like it’s made up by the agents jockeying for their clients. I mean, what if they talked? If we don’t know what they said (and the point of the meeting was to be covert), it’s meaningless. They might play golf every weekend in the summer, or talk about their favorite hair products and Chipotle menu items, but that doesn’t mean anything about their destinations.
I think I have rumoritis. I think the cure (no BaB) is worse than the disease, though.
My favorite part of Woj
is that he really blatantly tells what’s up.
“Bron and Bosh done deal to Chicago?” Woj doesn’t truly think that. If you read the report, he reported that’s what Wes was telling everyone.
I trust Woj.
I trust no other NBA reporter.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
He's the best reporter going. His takes are overly angry, self-righteous and bitter when he editorializes, but on the reporting
stuff, there’s no one better. He’s probably the most tapped in national writer out there.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't disagree with that
But I do find it amusing how the general like or dislike of media lately has a lot to do with whether they are reporting things favorable to Chicago or not.
I hate everyone equally. They all don't know anything. Except Woj and even he is just reporting what he hears.
At least he attributes it to someone, though. Most of his stuff is coming from Wes.
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by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
He wouldn't be a good journalist without the self-righteous, smarmy attitude.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 29, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
actually, in that case he might still be a good journalist; he just wouldnt be a bad editorialist.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
Woj wrote that WWWes was telling people LBJ and Bosh to Chicago. Then he came out with another story
that more fully explained the context within which Wes is working. It’s a power struggle between Wes and Maverick Carter with both trying to influence LeBron. Wes just wants LeBron out of Cleveland, it doesn’t necessarily need to be Chicago (but he has a good relationship with the ’dorf). Maverick wants LeBron to stay in Cleveland where he wields more influence.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mark Cuban pitch: "Hey guys, we'll add two Mavericks for the price of one!"
laughing with mouth open, goes for the double high five
by YaoPau on Jun 29, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Goodness that was goofy.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Does anyone else think it's strange that...
this Wade/Bosh/Lebron Miami meeting happened and no paparazzi snapped a pic? I mean, TMZ is on every one like white on rice, and this is the biggest sports story right now. There’s just too many ‘moving parts’ to not be caught by someone. Or to actually have an on the record source.
by rinconen on Jun 29, 2010 12:33 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
a photo was taken
the summit was actually on the moon. But you can’t see LeBron because he is behind MJ’s shadow
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 29, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 11 recs
I didn't laugh at the first sentence
and then the shadow joke came and. just, well done, sir.
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It probably doesn’t hep the paparazzi’s cause when they think the meeting is in Miami but it’s actually in Chicago.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 29, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lebron is a done deal if
the bulls somehow trot out MJ to enlighten lebron about how it feels to be a global icon
and then JR swears
he will spend watever it takes in luxury tax to ensure 10 rings
This LeBron and Bosh to Bulls talk must stop!!!
Even if they want to play for us and sign we must not rush. We do not know how they would perform in a Bulls uniform. I say we get them, send them to play in the summer league and if they do well then we sit down and negotiate salary with them.
Why rush before before we make them play in the summer league.
They are making the teams act like asses so I say we ass right back at them.
We'd definitely win the summer league
by ThisIsJustBanter on Jun 29, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
...After your Taj Gibson / Jannero Pargo post
It’s very hard to tell what you might actually believe when it comes to the game of basketball.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh why does my poor humor start a fight?????
off to the summer league with you two as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No fighthing on this team.
by adocarbog on Jun 29, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Meanwhile
Is Omer Asik going to be playing in the Summer League this season?
Arman Fathi
Sam: He’s playing for Turkey in the World Championships.
Plain Dealer's Windhorst: Source close to LBJ says Cavs still frontrunner
Not sure if someone had posted this already. I haven’t seen it, but here’s the “money quote”:
A source close to James told The Plain Dealer Tuesday morning that James still considers the Cavs to have the edge in re-signing the two-time Most Valuable Player. This is based not only on the fact that the Cavs can pay him $30 million more than another team over the next six years, but also that it is James’ home.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 1:27 PM CDT reply actions
If Woj is to be believed, this is to be expected
as his entourage is expected to encourage him to stay in Cleveland until the end.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
My thoughts, too.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
it's also possible that if he has decided to leave
he’ll want to leak how conflicted he is about staying because it makes him look better.
To be fair, he could honestly be conflicted
It’s a pretty big decision.
by wjb1492 on Jun 29, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
wha???
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't think which team to sign with
and whether to trade in the known for the unknown is a big decision? You think there’s not a chance that the hometown, played his whole career there, aspect doesn’t exert some pull on him?
Although, on the big decision thing I was including not only stay vs. go, but where to go.
I was being facetious :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, completely missed it.
That happens sometimes when I try to work and post at the same time. So clearly I should quit working for the immediate future.
i think there is no way
lebron stays with the cavs, it would kill his dream to be “the king.” he is feeding that news to give the impression that he is torn about leaving his home.
by jubaby on Jun 29, 2010 1:31 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
best and worst things for the bulls
best = 1. lebron and bosh to chicago
other “not that bad but still” = chi gets other max FAs <bosh/jj> and lebron stays in cle or goes to NY
worst = 1. lbj/wade/bosh to miami 2. lebron bosh to NJ
Again, what can the Cavs do to improve the team if LeBron comes back?
How much flexibility do they have? I’m seriously asking.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 1:33 PM CDT reply actions
None, even if he leaves.
Of course, they can make trades, but they have no cap space. They went all in when they traded for Jamison.
Trades mainly
Hickson in a sign & trade for Bosh would be my assumption at their best chance.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Would it take just Hickson to clear up that room?
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Shaq on a one year deal perhaps for Toronto also?
Cavs would obviously be paying the luxury tax
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
But why would Shaq want to play for Toronto?
There’s gotta be some contender-ish team willing to pay for his services.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
If they offer him a fair amount of money..
Just throwing out names to be honest, maybe Mo Williams? I’d have to research the rosters / cap space to see what would fit, but I’d imagine they can figure something out.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Shaq could always agree to the S/T under condition Toronto cuts him immediately after the deal goes through
He’d then get his money and be able to sign a vet minimum deal with one of the “super teams” in an attempt to catch Kobe. It’d be a great deal for him, but doubt it ever gets done.
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Now that makes some sense.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
and why would Toronto ever agree to that?
the whole idea behind a S/T is so Toronto can get something. “Let’s give Bosh extra money so he can leave us, and then we can pay top dollars to a giant overweight center money to not play basketball for us.”
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by dantheman3k on Jun 29, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Admittedly, it's not a great deal for Tor, but essentially, Shaq's deal would be an expiring contract
which could be better for them then taking on Mo Williams or Jamison
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
This is why I think it'd make sense, the expiring contract part.
He’ll have trade value.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Well you get Hickson basically
And probably draft picks, and maybe some other young players. The Shaq portion of that deal is just to make the money side of it work. Maybe you even let Shaq play there till the deadline, and then trade him. Could bring up attendance having a hall of famer on the roster, past his prime or not.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Whether they met is not important
This notion that they could only speak about their futures in person is silly. If they want to team up, they all have phones and plenty of representatives to work out the details. Just because they didn’t meet doesn’t mean it won’t happen.
At this point I think they are all eating up this crap and already have their minds made up. I don’t trust any of these reports anymore. Until he signs his name on the dotted line, I’m not assuming anything.
by Niwrad on Jun 29, 2010 1:36 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Chad Ford
My odds on landing LeBron: Bulls 40%, Cavs 25%, Heat 20%, Nets 10%, Knicks 4%, Clippers 1%
Bulls fan since 1986.
He Tweets a minute ago.
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by Dominicanbull on Jun 29, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
What's Ford's track record on these kinds of things?
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
True, very true. Throw all of these insights, predictions and rumors into a blender ...
… and you get air.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
He has real good contacts
Knows a lot of executives and agents. I don’t think he has sources on this, just the word around the league from various parties on what they think will happen.
I thought they were all 50/50!
Either he does or he doesn’t!!!!!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 29, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Garpax should decline to
host wade because 1) it would be a funny slap in the face after the loyalty statement and 2) wade only wants to visit as a spy for miami. im totally serious. i wouldnt wanna tell wade anything about my planned course of action
Something tells Bin Bin
that Wade will, at some point, get his for saying what he said. It may not be in the form you suggest, but it will come. Perhaps when his team again exits in the first round at the hand of Reinsdorf’s loyal Bulls squad. But it’s comin’, no doubt about it. You don’t do what he did and walk away unscathed.
3rd person ends NOW!
I have no authority, dammit.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 29, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
we need to
SHUT DOWN THE CARTER on bits.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Why is Sam Smith likes to freak us out?
though I can see them bringing back Aaron Gray as a minimum free agent for next season as one of the minimum guys
dude!
No mmore Sam Smith postings.. he’s dead to me.
by SoulEater7 on Jun 29, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Especially after all Sam's reports that he was a diva
Another example of the Bulls lack of loyalty…. They really do seem to love the old familiars.
by wjb1492 on Jun 29, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
immediately what I thought
Sam was sitting on the ‘Aaron Gray is like Stephon Marbury but way worse!’ column all year
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I like to pretend
That Sam Smith is actually no longer writing, and just let’s a young guy do it under his name now. And that kid just loves to scare or annoy Bulls fans any chance he gets. Then everything that I read from him makes sense.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Was he telling everyone the Bulls were going to resign Wennington?
Then we would know it’s the same thing.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
he just wanted to deny you
before heading to the afterlife
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
cold.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
he brought it up
if it were up to me I’d just assume none of you have families
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
so if you bring something up
it’s fair game? Mental note, don’t say anything stupid
aaron gray can make sweet love to a
porcupine for all i care
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
by Belize on Jun 29, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
heh
Even after the Gray outburst about playing time?
White Panther is the Dwight Howard stopper.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
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by NBA Observer on Jun 29, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
For some reason I'm just not buying this Miami thing
I wonder if Bosh is hosing this thing up by having to be part of some deal. The reason teams have to dump all this salary is for the hopes of getting him and Lebron. I’m starting to wish he would just go to Miami alone and Lebron come here.
I actually think Bosh and Wade may be trying to get Lebron to join them
I could see Bosh already wanting to go to miami.
by K_yle33 on Jun 29, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think this may be it.
But then again … arggh!
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah easy for them
Wade has his ring and Bosh just wants to tag along. Lebron would be a fool to go there. Wade is not going to pass up an extra 30 mil just to appease Bosh and Lebron. Wade knows if he doesn’t get either one then he’s screwed for the rest of his career. I’ll really be shocked if Lebron does that.
This is insane... rumors coming out every 5 minutes.. I want it to end but I don't..
I’m going to have major withdraw.
I know....I'm a physical therapist at a hospital and my day is corrupted by espn.com and blogabull
I see a patient and by the time i can check the computer again, there is a new rumor!!!
At least this can all be over at 11 central time tomorrow night!!!!
No more “theories”/rumors, maybe we can start getting facts.
by K_yle33 on Jun 29, 2010 1:49 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
i wouldnt mind that much
if bosh goes to miami cuz his attitude just pisses me off. he has won nothing and yet says he should be the centerpiece of an organization. both him and wade deserve each other, meanwhile the bulls will get lebron and either a pf or jj to soundly beat the heat every year in ECF
by jubaby on Jun 29, 2010 1:50 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
So you want LeBron as the centerpiece of your organization
Even though he’s won just as much as Bosh has, but Bosh can go to hell?
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Jordan never won without a Bosh level player in the playoffs.
We’re talking about rings, none before age 28.
Of course I’d love to see Bosh as well in Chicago, that’s where I differ.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jun 29, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not saying that.. I want both of them
My point was.. he’s complaining about a guy being the centerpiece of an organization because he hasn’t won a ring. But the guy he doesn’t want hasn’t won anything either.
Personally I want both, rings don’t mean that much, because as you say, you need a great team with you, one player can’t do it all. So just becase LBJ or Bosh haven’t won one, doesn’t mean they aren’t worthy of being the centerpiece of an organization.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
i never said anything about rings
by saying bosh hasnt won anything, i mean he couldnt even lead his team to the playoffs in a weak eastern conference. they have never been a real contender whereas lebron props up his horse shit roster to the point where it is a surprise when they dont make the ECF
Pippen > Bosh
Though I get your point.
Scottie was an all league defender and could have been even more productive scorer, was a PG level talent and defined the Pt Forward.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
by majoyenrac on Jun 29, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
it wont be all over at 11 central time because
if a deal is completed right at the opening of the fa period, stern would have to block the trade and call it tampering-i believe thats wat chad ford said in a bill simmons podcast (i think thats where i heard it). ford also was talking about lebron being fascinated with the story about MJ going to Gibsons after every game and having a regular waiter there. the waiter said lebron to bulls its a done deal. so there u have it, the next 10 years of the nba called out by the waiter at Gibsons
Not to mention
that while free agency starts 1 July, contracts themselves can’t actually be signed (nor trades involving 2010-2011 cap space be executed) until 8 July.
Deals can be made during moratorium, just not announced officially by the NBA
1.a.ii. a Restricted Free Agent is free at any time beginning on the first day of the Moratorium Period to negotiate a Player Contract with his Prior Team and to negotiate an Offer Sheet (as defined in Section 5(b) below) with any Team other than his Prior Team, and is free at any time after the last day of the Moratorium Period to enter into a Player Contract with his Prior Team or an Offer Sheet with any Team other than his Prior Team.
5.b
When a Restricted Free Agent receives an offer to sign a Player Contract from a Team other than the ROFR Team (the "New Team"), which he desires to accept, he shall give to the ROFR Team a completed certificate substantially in the form of Exhibit G annexed hereto (the "Offer Sheet"), signed by the Restricted Free Agent and the New Team, which shall have attached to it a Uniform Player Contract separately specifying: (i) the "Principal Terms" (as defined in Section 5© below) of the New Team’s offer; and (ii) any non-Principal Terms of the New Team’s offer that the ROFR Team is not required to match (as specified in Section 5© below) but which would be included in the player’s Player Contract with the New Team if the ROFR Team does not exercise its Right of First Refusal. The Offer Sheet must be for a Player Contract with a term of more than one (1) season (not including any Option Year), unless the ROFR team has tendered the player both a Qualifying Offer and a Maximum Qualifying Offer, in which case the Offer Sheet must be for a Player Contract with a term of more than two (2) Seasons (not including any Option Year).
let's make a new rivalry
hope lebron bosh to chicago
and oklahoma s/t david lee or max PF
chi vs okc finals almost every year :D
I forgot when I mentioned this before....
….but OKC used most of their cap space in taking on Mo Peterson’s salary to switch picks with New Orleans to draft Aldrich.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Bah, that article is stuffed with nothing but bio and stats!
What about his impact on the cap?
I’m only being half-facetious.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks.
Almost as much as Beasley. Does this mean they can get two max plus Wade, without doing a sign and trade?
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
but does waiving him
remove the cap figure? his contract for this year was guaranteed
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 29, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
There was talk of them trying to buy him out at a lower figure, which would then reduce his cap hit
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
but isn't waiving him
a sign they couldn’t reach that agreement?
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 29, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
No, there'd be no point in waiving him if they couldn't reach an agreement
His full salary would then still count against the cap
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
But why are they waiving him? They're a "loyal" organization.
They stay “true” to their players. What am I talking about? They probably set him up with a nice cushy role in the organization.
by wilsoneads on Jun 29, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Usually Sham has a better breakdown...
I’m assuming it’s fully non-guaranteed thus waiving him means only a roster hold needs to be imposed for cap purposes. I thought I remembered seeing 900k being on the books by waiving him, but I don’t have a link for that right now.
his contract isn't guaranteed
They designed it that way on purpose. 2 years guaranteed, 3rd year mutual option/partially guaranteed, 4th and 5th years are player options, I believe. 4th year but my non-guaranteed as well. not sure.
James jones thought he would be good enough to not get put to the side so he’d get his this year, and then the next two.
But he was wrong.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 29, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
you're right
i was looking at the 2009 number on sports two
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 29, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
hes won more than bosh has
despite not winning a ring, i think that single-handedly leading a team to the finals is much more impressive than bosh’s resume.
Try that fancy reply button.
This is sports, making the second round is no different than being in the lottery. Neither has a ring. I’d like both, but to accuse one of having an ego / attitude and not the other is ridiculous.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry about not replying
i would of course prefer bosh to any other 2nd max fa but im just not as crazy about him as everybody else.
Power Struggle?
Thisreport says WWW has no bearing on where LBJ goes. Maybe Maverick is just pulling LBJ his way, or trying to?
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by Just got mugged by Pete Myers on Jun 29, 2010 2:12 PM CDT reply actions
i just had a revelation
heres how it goes down: 1 is drose’s number, subtract that from 24, which is the current season of oprah, a chicago legend. ur result is 23, which is MJ, GOAT. take 23 and subtract the number of women gar forman has gotten with and ur result is 23, the number of LBJ, indicating he will sign with the bulls.
by jubaby on Jun 29, 2010 2:18 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
The day a guy with Gar's salary can't get laid
Looking like a muppet or not, is the day the earth stops spinning.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Fine,
so take 23 and subtract the number of woman that Gar didn’t have to pay to sleep with him and then you end with 23. Deal?
haha i was about to incorporate that
into my math. or the number of hairs on charlie villanueva’s body
You're gonna piss someone off leaving out Ben and Tyrus.
Thabo, too, for that matter.
by wjb1492 on Jun 29, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
the 17th pick in the draft that we traded away
for more cap room to sign…….you know the rest.
You tried way too hard to get a rec there.
If I had a negative response button – ie, unrec, boo, date rape, etc. – I’d click it.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
its funny, before the end of the season everyone thought that since lebron was a diva and
an attention hog, he would milk this thing for all it was worth. now, we have a case where everyone seems to be talking publicly about this story, everyone seems involved in it, except lebron himself. has he himself said anything yet?
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
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by TheMoon on Jun 29, 2010 2:30 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Lebron's doing it the right way
He’s saying nothing, letting the hype build, and, in my opinion, will make a quick and informed choice shortly after 7/1.
We may wish it another way, but he’s doing the right thing here. All this other shit is out of his control.
thats y i get the impression
that wade and bosh are spoiled brats fair or not, and lebron deserves respect for his approach
wait I thought he was making the choice
based on how cool Nike’s shoe commercial would be?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
The scary part about the Heat doings
is that even if they land Bosh and we land LBj they will have lots of money to work on the team
Joakim Noah and Argentina's goalkeeper Romero brothers?
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 29, 2010 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
A Berger update
Meanwhile, speculation and conflicting reports continue to swirl about whether a free-agent summut occurred in Miami this past weekend involving James, Wade and Bosh. A person with direct knowledge of the players’ offseason plans told CBSSports.com that the trio — who are friends and are represented by the same agency, CAA — have spoken with each other about their offseason strategy since their respective seasons ended. However, the person said there was no meeting in Miami this past weekend. Wade was in Chicago Saturday to conduct business meetings and take his children to the Cubs-White Sox game before flying to an undisclosed location — not Miami — on Sunday. Gossip reports in New York placed James on the social scene in Manhattan over the weekend, including a post-draft party at pal Jay-Z’s 40/40 Club and a 40th birthday party for marketing maven Steve Stoute at Rockefeller Center.
so basically their weekend sucked?
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 29, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
yeah, I pretty much did the same thing
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I put together a pergola.
And I didn’t even know what a pergola was before this weekend.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
You know what really sucks?
Not the rumor that the Heat are getting LeBron and Bosh
Not that the Nets cleared up more cap space by trading Yi
Not that the Heat cleared up more cap space by buying out Jones
It’s the fact that James Johnson is still on the Bulls roster
by Option27 on Jun 29, 2010 2:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Sour grapes from the Knicks?
The Knicks are targeting Joe Johnson as their No. 1 free agent choice and believe he’s a better fit for the team than LeBron James, according to an NBA source with knowledge of the team’s plans.
“Yes, we think he’s a better player,” the source said of Johnson. “He makes other people better. With LeBron’s people running the locker room that hurts the organization.”
The source also mentioned concerns about James’ entourage taking over the franchise.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 3:12 PM CDT reply actions
HAHAHAHA
The spin campaign begins in earnest.
The Knicks FO actually expects people to believe that Joe freaking Johnson is a better “fit” (whatever that means with a gutted roster) than the world’s best player?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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by fundamentallysound on Jun 29, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Definitely.
Joe Johnson isn’t even worth max money.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jun 29, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
What are you talking about?
He’s better than LeBron, makes others better and won’t be a problem in the locker room.
If anything, we should see what JJ does before making any moves.
He’s the real prize of this free agent class.
by Option27 on Jun 29, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I actually do think the whole entourage thing could be an issue
Just not one that makes you conclude Joe Johnson is a better option.
Kind of funny on the “make other people better” thing – Lebron doesn’t?
Exactly. This is what my Knicks fan friend just said.
Although he agrees that the “better player” sentiments are pretty fucking insane.
He thinks this is Dolan saying this, by the way. lol
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
There are idiots who have said that.
Yesterday, I boringly argued with one.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
LeBron bases his life off "Entourage"
He wants that to be his life. And for those who doubt the sincerity in that, his people actually pushed to get him on the show. And they did it. LeBron made a cameo last season.
It just fascinates me that this nobody friend of his (don’t remember his name – LeBron’s closest friend), whose ceiling without LeBron may have been managing a hardware store if he was lucky, is rubbing elbows and whooping it up with Warren Buffet on the sidelines of an NBA game. Life is very kind to some people.
Maverick Carter.
Most people make it on who they know to some degree.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 29, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's what many Chicagoans will be saying if LBJ goes to Miami and the Bulls sign Johnson.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Some other nuggets buried in that article:
The source said the team’s No. 1 option would be to land Johnson and Stoudemire.
“Yeah, we’ll have room next year to get somebody next year,” the source said, referring to the 2011 free agency class that includes Carmelo Anthony.
Asked who would play point guard with the Knicks next season, the source said Toney Douglas would. He also said the Knicks could pursue Steve Blake.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
This actually makes okay sense for them.
Seeing as how they suck and like to overpay players well past their primes.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
And maybe they can trade for Nash before the deadline.
This way, he can come off the books in time for 2012.
The Knicks will be perpetually taking on bad contracts and only to later on clear cap space that no one will want to fill since management has proven itself so inept time and time again.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I could have believe JR
Not accepting LeBron’s entourage.. but this. Come on.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
He's a better fit
Because Gallinari is a future Dirk Nowitzki meets Lebron James meets Magic Johnson, or so some of these crazy Knicks fans keep saying….
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
Beginning to dislike Wade
First he rats on our organization for not being “loyal” and now he’s stealing LeBron from us (yes, I’m panicking). I love how Wade can be so critical about how our organization isn’t loyal when from what I hear if Miami assembles this dream team or even if it doesn’t there’s a decent chance that Pat Riley fires their coach to become so that he can be the coach of the contending team. Hmm, that sounds reeal loyal.
You're being very un-Dude.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think your worry is legitimate
FIrst off, the summitt meeting was a false rumor, and second LeBron was non-commital. Third, Miami is a horrid basketball market, sports in general. Fourth, the Bulls’ roster is superior to what the Heat have right now. Fifth, not even D-Wade fully believes this can happen, which is why he’s set up FA visits with the Mavs, Bulls, and Knicks. Sixth, every credible journalist has at one point or another all but guaranteed James to Chicago. Sixth, the Bulls simply are the best basketball choice.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
haha!
6 a and b :)
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 29, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
"Sixth, every credible journalist has at one point or another all but guaranteed James to Chicago"
as the kids say, SMH
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