BlogABron - 6/28, part two
Had to create some overflow room...
Doug Thonus at ChicagoNow getting in on the source action. Though he tries to soft-pedal this, don't allow it! Consider it a done deal. I know some of the more loony ones here will.
As for me, I'm convinced from this report that LeBron is going to the Knicks.
almost 2 years ago
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until the 4th of july.
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Where are my little pink pills???
I needed NOW
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by Dominicanbull on Jun 28, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm.. to have a job where the boss pays attention to what I do
That would be truly unfortunate. Although I might be a lot less bored.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions
same here
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Does anyone have a job where they aren't bored?
I complained recently about having nothing to do, but all of my friends basically do the same thing. There have to be people out there actually working, no?
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Me too...
Contrary to what the media reports, people are actually buying Real Estate
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 29, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
It's clearly a done deal now.
At least until Stephen A. twits again.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 28, 2010 4:55 PM CDT reply actions
Tweet...
Its called tweeting.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Oh, I know ...
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I think you really created this so that people wouldn't have to read a massive Kobe v. MJ argument
nicely done.
by jpm356 on Jun 28, 2010 4:56 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The LeBron v. Wade argument
Was much worse.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
no kidding. its not like wade is brandon roy or something; hes a top 3 player; hes the best non-MJ SG ive ever seen. hes pretty close to lebron.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
I agree. Throw in a healthy chris Paul and you have the three definitively best players.
Duncan, Bryant, Howard, Gasol, Bosh, Durant are all probably in that next group.I think Durant can jump up to the level of Paul, james and Wade… and maybe Wade drops a notch. Who knows?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think Howard belongs with those 3, his effect on the defensive end seems to be as great as theirs on the
offensive end.
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
I agree
Howard’s defense is discounted way too much. I would take him over Durant or Paul in a heartbeat. Even Wade, but that’s more age and injury related.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
u know whats scary
that dwight still has a lot to improve on. Can you imagine if he got tim duncan-esque footwork in the post?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
And he's only 24!
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
He'd be amazing, but I doubt it ever happens.
He’s been in the league for six seasons and still has no moves other than his running hook shot, and he’s way too stiff to have much of an offensive game.
Excellent assessment
And his penchant for getting into foul trouble against good players.
he is easily neutralized and he is a lazy player that relies on his athletism. Too many times he is standing still
"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub
Not to mention that he can't really play late in tight games.
He’s really good, but I wouldn’t consider a player that limited offensively among the best in the league. He’s a third, possibly a second tier star. If Rose can work on his defense to the point where he’s even adequate defensively, he’d be a better player than Howard.
Can't they go over the cap to resign Wade and pay the lux tax?
"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub
No.
Wade has a cap hold that is equal to his max salary…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
You're probably right.
And it’s not like he’s horrible on offense; he’s still incredibly efficient.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Based on this last year, sure.
But not the year Paul was putting up the best PG season since Magic Johnson.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Even then I still think it's debatable
I’d personally go with this top 10:
Lebron
Wade
Howard
Paul
Durant
Kobe
Duncan
Bosh
Gasol
Nash
Brad Miller is god.
Yes, debatable.
If Paul had put up a year this past year like he did the previous two, it wouldn’t be. But as things are, yes, I’d agree. It’s debatable since we can’t reasonably project about Paul.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'd put Gasol above Kobe and Duncan. Gasol was more important to the Lakers than Kobe this year.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm taking Rose over Nash
and Gasol and Bosh and Yeah I’m a homer;-)
I'd get a few of those guys outta there.
My top ten, in no specific order:
Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Durant, Carmelo, Dwight, Yao(when healthy), Paul, Deron, Dirk.
Bosh, Nash, Gasol or Duncan don’t have a spot in my top ten.
that's because
he’s following a KG like path of playoff mediocrity
Even then, couldn't you make the case that Howard's defense effects winning more?
(I do not want to make this a Paul vs. Howard debate, I like both guys. Just sayin’)
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
This got me thinking, can you imagine Paul and Howard on the same team?
That would be frightening. With Paul throwing Howard lobs every other time down the court… awesome.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I was really hoping that the rumors of the Magic making a run at Howard were true
though I doubt Jameer Nelson and VC’s partially guaranteed deal would get it done
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
Who would the Hornets take from them?
Nelson and who else? If i’m the Nets I trade Favors, Harris and Lee for Paul, but I doubt N.O does that trade anyway.
Bosh 2010!!!!!
As much as we'd all like to see chris paul somewhere else...
He’s staying right where he’s at.
by Scottie's Nose on Jun 28, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Duh, yeah, Paul
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
I dunno.
“They say” C is the most important position for defense.
“They say” PG is the most important position for offense.
I dunno.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Haha, just mad a fanshot about this
I’m disappointed this thread wasn’t called Blogabron: THE SEQUEL.
As for Doug’s report, he’ll probably get shit for being a rumor whore or whatever. Just take it for what it’s worth. Not gonna make me much more optimistic about our chances, but I’m happy he decided to write about it. I need a new rumor every hour or I’ll melt.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
yeah, I don't have a problem with it
I rib Doug for adjusting his LeBron-o-meter every day. I have it at zero, and will only change it at the press conference.
Plus, nobody tells ME shit, so I have no rumors to pass on.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 28, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
lol, does he really have a Lebron-O-Meter?
I totally missed that. In that case I take back everything I said about not giving him shit. FALSE PROPHET!!!!!!!!!
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless I'm an idiot and totally misinterpreted what you were saying
and you were referring to a metaphorical Lebron meter
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
its not exactly that
But doug’s said stuff like ‘after seeing this report I put LeBron’s chances of staying at 30%’
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 28, 2010 6:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I can't tell if you're being facetious.
I confess my ignorance of Thonus’ previous reporting/writing.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 28, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
im beginning to think having sources actually makes you LESS credible.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
just so we're clear, i was speaking in general and not just about you.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
Now Doug Thonus?
My feeling is that his wife thinks he’s some well respected writer.
She sees all these reports of where LeBron is going and notices the writers linked to them.
She asks Doug, “Why are you never mentioned on ESPN regarding your thoughts or stories?”
He tells her, “These guys are so desperate for attention that they’ll make anything up to get their names out there.”
She signs on as him whilst he’s away from the bedroom and vomits this bullshit all over his site.
Sadly, my wife has never read my blog.
by dougthonus on Jun 28, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Does she at least listen to the podcast?
And… why do you record those while you drive?
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i think he explained it once
i dont know if i read it or he actually said it (maybe it was on this site) that he basically has a really hectic schedule so the best time for him to do the podcasts are when hes driving to his in-laws house cuz its when he has the most free time….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jun 28, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Byron Scott is a genius. ((sarcasm))
so there is a “50/50” chance Lebron stays. really?? wow. because simple math would tell you that him staying or leaving Cleveland by ia nature is 50/50. it either happens or doesn’t. why do we listen to these people again?
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by BULLieving in Miami on Jun 28, 2010 5:09 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
not saying he did
just saying he is stating the obvious.
the thigh bone is not connected to the free throw bone.- Shaquille O'Neal
by BULLieving in Miami on Jun 28, 2010 5:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Because all decisions with two possible outcomes are 50/50 decisions!!!
You make a great point?
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
by Prevenge on Jun 28, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Every day...
Life or death is a fifty fifty proposition…
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by kidronmusic on Jun 29, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
50/50 applies to things like coinflips
when all outcomes are equally probable…I don’t think this applies in the same way
Just like there's a 50/50 chance that I get struck by lightning right now?
It’ll either happen or not!
ya'know, that's what I was thinking, but they're nto analogous.
James has several options, none of which, realistically, include NOT signing. There is a chance that you get struck my lightning, a chance you carried away by a tornado, a chance you get caught in a flood, and a chance that nothing happens. I still think it’s wrong to say it’s 50/50 because it happens or it doesn’t, but analogy doesn’t work in my opinion.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
New Woj article breaking down the dynamic between Lebron and his advisors, WWW plays the villain in this one:
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
to woj anyone involved with lebron and 2010
is a villain…im awaiting woj to write an article about how “The NBA is Dead” and how it was us who committed the murder…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Wow, this sounds like quite a few members in "the circle" are feeling insecure.
James’ friends have had the run of Cleveland for seven years, unchecked power within the corridors of the Cavaliers organization. Around Cleveland and nearby Akron, where they were brought up with James, they don’t need to have the two-time MVP surrounding them to be considered VIPs. Maybe that doesn’t end with James elsewhere, but it dramatically changes.
Carter has counted upon James’ money to bankroll a fledgling marketing company, LRMR, and James’ staying with Cleveland would be worth $30 million more over the life of a six-year contract than if he signed with another team.
LRMR has little revenue coming in, and going out they have offices, staff, attorneys, five-star hotel bills and the use of private jets. For James’ associates, the cost of living promises to be far steeper beyond the life they’ve made for themselves in Northeast Ohio.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 28, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
And look at how Woj concludes the article:
Yes, this is LeBron James’ choice, and it needs to be because the agendas surrounding serve every interest but his own.
Well, what would serve LeBron’s agenda? And what, for that matter, is LeBron’s agenda? Is it to stay home, make a ton of money and help build a champion there? Or is it to go to a team in a bigger market with a better chance at contending for years to come?
LeBron’s agenda, whatever it is, and the agendas of the factions in his circle are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 28, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
All of this WWW stuff sounds embellished.
I can imagine this type of stuff going on in a TV series, not in the NBA. I can’t wait for all of this to be over.
I'll miss some of it.
I really enjoy the build up. It’s like Christmas, and this is December 22nd, when you think your parents got you the gift you really want. And you made sure to tell them EXACTLY what you really want, but you’re still kind of worried there going to get you the generic version.
And, your sister (Stephan A Smith) is in the other room screaming “Your not getting anything! Mom and Dad don’t love you! You were a mistake”
Was everybody’s Christmas like that? …Just mine then? damn.
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by kidronmusic on Jun 28, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
HAHAHA
I originally typed “you were adopted” but then changed it in case anybody here was adopted and had issues about it…
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The summer Shaq signed with the Lakers.
Does anyone remember what the mood/atmosphere like? Did the media treat it as a foregone conclusion that he’d end up with the Lakers? Or was the impression that he’d stay with the Magic? Were there any other teams in the conversation?
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 28, 2010 5:13 PM CDT reply actions
It was a surprise, everyone assumed he'd stay in Orlando with Penny and have a great team for years
The Lakers had to scramble immediately prior to the signing to even get enough cap room. I remember reading somewhere that it wasn’t until Shaq felt like the Magic lowballed him on their initial offer that he even considered signing elsewhere.
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
Thanks for this.
I only ask since I think it’s a good corollary for the LBJ situation, even if Shaq wasn’t a free agent on a market as talent-rich as this.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 28, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I should also say that I remember being stunned he signed with them.
I just couldn’t remember the media’s take on it all. I wonder what the rumor mill was like in those dial-up days.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 28, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
weird, this is not how I remember it
I remember reading rumors in Sports Illustrated months before the season ended about how Shaq was probably either going to stay in Orlando or go to Hollywood to help with acting/rapping/general shaq lifestyle.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
I think I was just being naive at the time.
They had a great team in Orlando. Maybe that bitch slap of a sweep the Bulls gave them in ’96 was the final straw, though.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 28, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
its not even fair to discuss it
The media was nowhere near how it is today with facebook and twitter and the sudden acceptance of blogs…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
yeah...
I feel like if you read in print, it wasn’t a huge surprise, but it wasn’t as accessible to follow the rumors like it is today, where one can sign up for an account on real GM, say they know a guy, JOHN, and boom: there’s a rumor.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
naw I remember the whole season before saying that he was going Hollywood
it was no surprise
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Ira Winderman (best source for Heat news) backing up Stephen
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
best source is probably debatable, but he does have a gig with the local broadcast team
so he might be a little closer than most.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
If Lebron and Bosh go to Miami
I’m gonna have to find a new sport to be interested in for the next 5 years, because it’s a wrap in the NBA. As much as the New York arrogance bugs me, I’d almost him rather go there, because at least then we’d have a shot, for the first year or two at least.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
its bad for the sport.
they really would lose millions.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Do you guys want to laugh a litle bit?
Try this link. Chris Sheridan is trying to convince someone that the Knicks are a better choice for Lebron. He even says that Toney Douglas is a better defender than Rose… It’s true that JR is one of the frugal owners on the league, though
Stage one: Fire Vinny (check)
Stage two: Hire a good coach (check)
Stage three: Draft a SG who shoots 3
Stage four: Sign a top 3 FA
Stage five: Trade Deng, Hinrich, whoever not named Rose or Noah to get another top FA
I'm no Toney Douglas expert
but I believe the last part.
That was before
The Knicks don’t play defense ;)
Stage one: Fire Vinny (check)
Stage two: Hire a good coach (check)
Stage three: Draft a SG who shoots 3
Stage four: Sign a top 3 FA
Stage five: Trade Deng, Hinrich, whoever not named Rose or Noah to get another top FA
About JR being a cheap owner, Marc Stein has a nice article about how that could also determinate James decision
The O factor is also what the Bulls presumably can blame if the impressive complementary core they’ve assembled (Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah) and all the cap space they’ve cleared (to go after Bosh or Joe Johnson in addition to James) ultimately fail — amid all this “done deal” talk — to lure James to the Cavs’ most hated rival.
The Bulls were routinely bashed from an organizational standpoint even when they were winning championships, thanks to Jordan’s openly dim view of then-GM Jerry Krause. This season, though, criticism of Bulls chairman Jerry Reinsdorf and his front-office tag team of John Paxson and Gar Forman reached new levels, prompted by Chicago’s mistreatment of since-fired coach Vinny Del Negro and most recently disseminated in a well-publicized critique from Wade about how Chicago treats ex-Bulls.
Even if Wade’s criticism was a thinly veiled attempt to enhance the Heat’s case in free agency, Chicago knows it has some image issues. Reinsdorf’s reputation as a reluctant spender? Another issue.
Maybe none of that will matter in the end, because the Bulls are otherwise set up so well. It’s also true that Wesley has maintained a good working relationship with Reinsdorf for years and is believed to be lobbying hardest for the Bulls, which is where much of the LeBron-and-Bosh-to-Chicago chatter originates. Yet you still hear well-connected folks around the league asking — louder than the many questions Jordan’s longtime agent David Falk has raised about James going to the Bulls in recent interviews with Sports Illustrated and CBS Sports — whether LeBron is indeed prepared to commit to Reinsdorf.
Link
Stage one: Fire Vinny (check)
Stage two: Hire a good coach (check)
Stage three: Draft a SG who shoots 3
Stage four: Sign a top 3 FA
Stage five: Trade Deng, Hinrich, whoever not named Rose or Noah to get another top FA
Jerry Reinsdorf has always been willing to spend a ton
of dough WHEN his teams have a very solid shot of winning a championship. He’s not cheap; he just has shitty talent scouts and rarely anyone to spend the big dough on. It’s not a question of willingness to spend, it’s JR being convinced he’s making a real good bet.
your avatar picture is scary
I hate that movie!!!!
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 28, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I give up. There's no point in listening to any of this stuff. It's fun and all, but really, nothing means anything.
The only person I trust is Woj.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder...
if reporters are pulling these rumors out of their @$$es now. I probably should have figured this a few weeks ago. They must realize how contradicting these reports are recently, so they’re just saying anything.
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by MouseIsInTheHouse on Jun 28, 2010 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I doubt they're sacrificing journalistic integrity.
Most of these guys won’t report something unless they have some type of source. When they do speculate, they disclaim it in big neon signs before hand by saying something like “Now, this is just my own opinion, I’m not reporting this, I have no inside information, but . . .”
The problem is two-fold, though: (1) there are sources of varying quality and varying closeness to the actual decisionmakers, which means you can get different reads on the situation; and (2) everything is constantly in flux. What is true one hour might not be true the next. Does it make the first hour’s report wrong? No.
But it might make it completely uninteresting.
Yeah...
I really like your point about information changing after it’s already been sourced… and it’s one of the main reasons that I think “sources” are overated.
Often, I value an experts opinions over actual source information. For example, I value the fact that most experts agree that Chicago has the best opportunity for Lebron to win championships moreso than the reports that have a “source” that says Wes in bringing Lebron to the Bulls.
When I am trying to discern whether or not to trust somebody’s source, it usually comes down to what they have to lose… that’s the issue with the random poster on a blog source stuff, if they are wrong, at worst, they’ll get made fun of on that blog until they change their log in info and start over with a fresh reputation.
But if you listen to guys like Chad Ford, or Woj, they will usually tell you if they trust they’re source or not, and within the industry, they develop reputations as trustworthy stewards of info. My issue is with guys like Stephan Smith that seem to think they’re sources are always foolproof and impeccable.
By the way… I have a source with direct ties to Jerry Reinsdorf who told me two months ago that Jerry was definitely targeting Lebron and Bosh and that he absolutely planned to bring in two max level contracts and win a boatload of championships….
I’m not lying, but you have no reason to believe me either, because it wouldn’t matter if I was lying… that’s the trouble.
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Yea, I just saw that
I got in there late, what did he say about Lebron?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, right.
Not a chance. Bulls mgmt isn’t this stupid.
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
This might be a stupid question but who is a best defender of this list:
Bosh, Boozer, Amare or JJ?
Probably JJ, but he's not really great at it. He's pretty overrated at it.
Boozer and Amare stink on defense and Bosh is mediocre.
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by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL. So they all suck. Haha. Well, we'll just have to rely on team defense, Noah..
..and Lebron’s run downs!
Boozer and Amare are so bad on D (and have such brutal injury histories) that I'd rather have JJ than either of them
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
sorry. i meant who is "the," not who is "a." And on, not of this list. Fuck, I am tired.
This whole FA thing is just brutally exciting, it’s actually tiring.
Stephen A Smith is not going to make as big of a deal as he did about his
“announcement” if he didn’t know what was going on. As much as it sucks I think it’s time to move on from Lebron and hope that the worst case scenario doesn’t come true……not looking good.
hahahahaha, you clearly have never heard of Stephen A Smith then
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
SAS has been known to make a scene. He's a walking shtick, and he probably just wanted the attention.
I doubt anyone of substance or importance was telling that loudmouth where these guys are going for sure, and I still doubt it’s even decided.
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
You're giving Stevie A. too much credit.
He likely just lacks the analytical skills to figure out when someone is lying to him.
by Scotter on Jun 28, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Broussard:
CHI-MIAMI emerging as frontrunners for LJ. CLE not dead, but…
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
The Miami angle surprises me a bit.
Obviously, that team would be stacked. But, you’d think LeBron would still want to land in a place where he is for sure the man. He’ll have to share that in Miami.
If he goes anywhere with another max FA
then I think it’ll be viewed as cheap.
We already know this CB!!
I guess this is better then him saying Miami now frontrunner
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Wtf, I thought we already emerged?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
This is the most ridiculous rumor season I've seen for ANY sport EVER
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
by Illini15 on Jun 28, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i mean, chad ford said in bill simmons' podcast that every day reporters are going
to get a half dozen contradictory, legitimate rumors. how can anyone make sense of all of that? thats why i said above that in this case having sources doesnt make you any more credible than you or me.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
I was thinking same thing
I kinda dont like how he tweeted 20 hours ago that its between CHI-CLE..now its CHI-MIAMI…this coming after SAS news earlier..who knows
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Yeah this is what he tweeted yesterday:
CHI-CLE still neck and neck for LJ, but CHI making it awfully hard on Cavs
I feel like some of these writers are on crack
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
Yea man idk what to think anymore
This my first day posting on here but ive been a long time reader of this site…Cant stand all this stuff but I cant live without knowing whats going on haha
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I'm listening to today's Boers & Bernstein podcast right now
Bernstein put the odds of LeBron to the Bulls at 75%. FYI.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
I wasn't making any claims about the quality of his sources
But a lot of us are here because we can’t get enough LeBron-to-the-Bulls talk, and I thought it was interesting.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
oh, you're going to get old very quickly
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 28, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Ha.
Rec.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Jared Dudley just predicted LeBron to the Bulls on Twitter
This is out of hand!!!!!
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
Could it be out of hand that you are following Jared Dudley on twitter?
Just asking…..
by stanchar on Jun 28, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
No, he's hilarious
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
by Illini15 on Jun 28, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, he's actually really cool.
He actually does stuff, like create videos with other players, peform interviews with other players, etc. It’s not just “LOL tweeps goin to Target latez. Gotta get me my toiletriez!”
What if the top three decide they won't move without a sign and trade (more $$)?
What will the Bulls have left to offer and who would want to join such a team?
They may have painted themselves into a corner…
always a great contribution.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST
? We have more than Miami does..
Taj Gibson is better than anything they can offer.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Beasley still has more value IMO
Although Taj’s perceived value might be higher.
Brad Miller is god.
If only we had Ben Gordon to sign and trade!!!!
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by kidronmusic on Jun 29, 2010 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure Detroit
will get Bosh, Lebron, or Wade in a sign and trade for him instead.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Beasley costs more
At their respective salaries, I think most would take Taj.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter what they have to offer, as long as they have cap space available the FAs and the Bulls have the leverage
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
Has this been mentioned on here yet?:
Teams can start making direct contact with free agents beginning at 12:01 a.m. Eastern time Thursday. It’s not clear where or when a meeting with Bosh would take place, but the Bulls would like to sit down with the all-star power forward quickly.
The Bulls are hoping to get a free-agent commitment before they meet with LeBron James in northeastern Ohio later this week. Bosh is their first target, with Atlanta shooting guard Joe Johnson a likely second choice.
It’s from last night, but I don’t remember seeing it anywhere. Interesting that they think they can get a commitment from a player so quickly.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
Didn't realize we were trying to get a commitment before we got LeBron
And that’s great news if Bosh is the first target
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
I dont think Bosh signs before LBJ
but if he did..We would be in Prime position
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can't sign him.
could get a commitment, though
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 28, 2010 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And this should be advertised to all the people
going apeshit that JOE JOHNSON MIGHT BE THE BULLS FIRST TARGET!!!!!!!111111 when it was clear all along the Bulls aren’t that stupid (*cough*Tyger*cough*)
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
haha
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
they signed Ben Wallace and Nocioni to ridiculous contracts.
no?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 28, 2010 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And Hinrich and Deng.
Those guys aren’t garbage, but the players were way overvalued.
by Gentleman Jim on Jun 28, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Kirk's contract was a good deal at the time, he just severely regressed
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
I'm just saying, with all the smart moves and clear logic they've (surprisingly) displayed recently,
you were really putting the cart before the horse on the Joe Johnson thing, in my opinion :D
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
okay
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
You were blowing up like it was a done deal
and basically bashing Bulls management because of some nonsensical rumors
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
jeez
now if the bulls do sign joe johnson immediately, uve given tyger the perfect oportunity to stroke his ego and say i told you so…this post should have waited until after lebron was signed or something….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jun 28, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really, since it's become apparent that Bosh is the Bulls #2 priority behind LeBron
I get your point, though. Heh.
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
Well.. it's not like the players haven't been thinking about it
Like all of a sudden on Thursday they are going to be stunned they have to find a new team. They’ve been preparing for months, I’d think they basically know where they are going at this point.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Good question.
Depends on if he still holds a grudge with Jerry or if most of his ill will was toward Krause…at least as far as the Bulls angle goes.
It's an important question......because if MJ bad-mouthed the organization you can bet
that killed our chances with LBJ.
Well, MJ being the owner of an Eastern team...
He probably would try to help build us a dynasty.
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"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 28, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
"Always bet on black."
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 28, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
ok, Mr. Cutter
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by BULLieving in Miami on Jun 29, 2010 12:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If it means anything
I put more value in a rumor from Doug Thonus than I do a proclamation from SAS.
I still cant see Lebron
going to Wade’s team and Wade’s city. Yes I know that team would have lights out talent with Bosh,Wade,& LBJ but I still think he has better chance at MULTIPLE titles with our Bulls.
Out of Bosh,LBJ,Rose,Noah the highest age of those 4 would be what?? 26? Unreal to think that those 4 with Taj,Asik and other role players could not win Multiple Titles for years to come.
But we will see..maybe LBJ wants to be Wades partner in Wades city
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I have a hard time seeing that too.....though Kobe has
Pau Gasol it doesn’t seem like the same thing. It’s Kobe’s team and he’s got a great supporting cast….that’s how it would be with LBJ here (even if we sign Bosh)….but in Miami it’s Lebron/Dwade’s team….not more one than the other…
Once it was Oneal and Wade's team
Bulls fan since 1986.
by Dominicanbull on Jun 28, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I think even tho LBJ better than Wade in many peoples eyes
No matter what it will be Wades team..but I def understand what your saying..on a performance standpoint it would be half and half…but even then its split..
Why would LBJ want to split the spotlight when he can come to Chicago and be the Man by far..Yes DRose is amazing and is our Chi Town product but he is a notch below LBJ and everyone knows that.
We will know soon enough!!
2010:The year that changed everything
maybe miami is more realistic than most people think
if lebron is going for the best basketball decision, then him being the man may not be as relevant. wade + bosh + lbj + arison > lbj + bosh + noah + rose + reinsdorf is certainly arguable in terms of a basketball decision.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
Yea I could see the arguement there also
But I think if we are in contention for titles year in and year out then Reinsdorf pays the Tax and gets Noah and Rose extended when that time comes..I would be sure of that if I was Lebron..but thats if I was him..Who knows what he is thinking
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i agree
i think reinsdorf recognizes the opportunity here and will re-up whomever’s necessary. if it’s a close call though, i can see the reputation of owners having at least a small part in the decision. reinsdorf doesn’t have the best reputation, justified or not, while most people have nothing but good things to say about mickey arison.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
also, riley has a pretty strong pedigree compared to gar/pax
this of course may not mean anything, but i can at least see the case for miami being made.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
God, if LBJ and Bosh go there, then what's the point?
I just wish this shit were over with already.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 28, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
haha
yes, maybe even the 8th, who knows how long it will take to actually ‘make a decision’
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
Yea true
I cant wait till the dominos start falling…once that first one does we will know more and more of this offseason puzzle
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I know I have said this before...
The Heat do not have the cap space to bring in 3 max free agents. It is not possible.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
even if they get rid of beasley?
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
Yes...even if they got rid of Beasley.
They could sign two max and offer the third a very large contract, but not the max. As Polio notes below, they could get close…but I cannot imagine any of Wade, James or Bosh signing for less than the max.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
sweet
i thought yaopau said it was possible in a thread a while back
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
He's right, they'll be just short
meanwhile I’ll be working on multiplication
They would need to trade Beasley AND Jones
Dwayne Wade $17,149,243
Michael Beasley $4,962,240
James Jones $4,640,000
Mario Chalmers $847,000
Roster hold $473,604
Roster hold $473,604
Roster hold $473,604
Roster hold $473,604
Roster hold $473,604
Roster hold $473,604
Max FA 1 $16,568,908
Max FA 2 $9,090,985 ($7,477,923 short)
They can’t do it in a S&T because it would put them over the cap by taking in over 125% more money than they are shipping out. The only option would be to trade Beas and Jones to a team that’s under the cap, or sign some other FA (such as Haslem or Jermaine or someone) to work a double S&T. Riley has said that he’s not trading Beasley, and it seems that after shopping him for a year teams have little interest in absorbing his entire contract. Meanwhile a double S&T has so many variables that it seems like a long shot.
by Bullsfan7210 on Jun 29, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
They could come close, though.
Wade + Johnson + Boozer would be very possible, for instance, if JJ and Boozer go for less than the max. Not technically 3 maxes, but scary nevertheless.
Brad Miller is god.
Boozer sucks, so who cares
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
And Wade/Johnson/Boozer
isn’t even remotely in the same stratosphere as Wade/LeBron/Bosh. In fact, I’d be happy if that’s who they got.
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
yeah, johnson and boozer don't scare me
lee + gay wouldn’t scare me, per se, but it would be a competitve team with money to spend
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Best case
Johnson and Boozer to Miami, Gay and Amare to New York (lol), James and Bosh to Chicago. Bulls win anywhere from 5-8 titles in the next 10 years.
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
You don't think Wade + Johnson + Boozer would contend for a title?
Sure they’d have to fill out the bench, but still.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 28, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
contend, yeah, but they don't "scare" me, whatever that means
the hawks and magic contend for a title
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Not to be a downer but...
what about us? we can’t sign 2 MAX free agents. unless of course they take the pay cut, but can’t they do that in miami?
The Bulls can sign two max free agents...
If one of those free agents is named David Lee or Rudy Gay…or if the Bulls trade Luol Deng.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Here's why I'm starting to worry.
I’m thinking Wade’s going to pitch him that the Heat is Lebron’s team if he joins. He’s going to sell that hard. It’s all yours, he’ll say. And since LeBron is likely worried of sharing Alpha Dog status in Miami, this could sway him.
attendance impact
one of the things that keeps sticking in my mind is when Lebron said he’d have to consider a number of factors, what was best for him financially, what was best for his basketball wise, and one thing i believe he mentioned was what was best for the league
A couple things popped into my head this afternoon as i was listening to miami talk radio interview Stephen A.
1) The league is better off with multiple teams being connected to Lebron as it has the chance to drive early season ticket purchases a little bit more. It might not seem like much but with the league struggling and season ticket sales down across the board, the rumors might spur people to try to buy them before prices actually go up (when a signing is announced)
2) Given that the Bulls sell out every night and are likely to continue to do so even if they land some of the 2nd tier FA’s, makes me wonder if a move to Miami is in the best interest of the league because the Heat don’t sell out and if they swung and missed in FA could have serious problems filling seats down here
The last part that popped into my head is “what is truly best for the league?”
The league flourishes when there are rivalries and specifically when there are rivalries pitting superstars leading their franchises against other superstars. In that scenario you’d think the best case for the league is:
Lebron leading the Bulls/Knicks
Wade leading the Heat
Durant leading the Thunder
Kobe leading the Lakers
Boston’s big 3(4) staying together
In conclusion, i’m just as confused as everyone else, but i do remember Lebron saying they’d consider what’s in the best interest of the league and i’m wondering what others think is best for the league?
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 28, 2010 9:14 PM CDT reply actions
If selling as many tickets league-wide was at all a factor, Minnesota would be the front-runner
And the Bulls wouldn’t scratch the top of the list since we’re routinely near the top of the league in ticket sales, despite being very mediocre. Then again, if Lebron came to Chicago, while ticket sales wouldn’t go up, JR could raise ticket prices, increasing revenue.
But again, I hardly think selling tickets is a guiding factor for Lebron. I think the underlying meaning of his “good for the league” statement is that he wants to go to a major market so he can be in a better position to put the league on his back. At least, that’s what I’m hoping.
Brad Miller is god.
Funny you mention the ticket sales,
my buddy just doled out 10K on a pair of season tickets 7 rows up behind one of the baskets. The salesman or woman told him it’s the busiest it’s ever been in her ten years with the Bulls. I’m sure it’s like this for the other teams trying to get Lebron.
The Bulls sold...
1800 season tickets today. BTW, attendance is a bs figure. Live gate (i.e. dollar revenue) is all that matters. The Bulls heavily discounted ticketst last year. From a league perspective, the most ticket revenue will be drawn from Lebron playing in either Chicago or NY, because not only will every game sell out, but they can charge far and away the highest prices and people will pay them.
Lot of money for an obstructed view..
I’d rather be in the 200 level not behind a basket.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I had tix 6 rows behind the basket….and I’d rather be 200 at halfcourt level. The view was way too obstructed.
I feel the same way
Although some people prefer to be as close to the court as possible, I can see it both ways, but for me, I’d take definitely take higher up center court over lower seats behind the hoop.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope
that what he means by “best for the league” is that he’s not interested in corralling several of the max FAs to one spot, as it would be boring.
i've seen this sentiment
with regards to Miami posted in here
which is pretty hypocritical since everyone wants Bosh-Bron here, isnt it the same thing?
I sure as hell dont want Lebron bringing everyone to Miami but lets not pretend like thats any different than Lebron bringing another to Chicago as well
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 29, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions
no argument here
I guess the question is where you differentiate between making a team the favorite to win, and making it suck because nobody else has a legitimate chance. I think the only way it would be different for us to get Lebron and Bosh would be if one of the other major options in free agency scored 3 or more of the other big name FAs to keep things interesting, but that’s not terribly likely.
If Lebron and Bosh go with Wade
I will hate Ledouche and Rupaul with the passion of a 1,000,000 degree fire.
They ca n go pound sand at the beach. Gimme Joe Johnson and Amare and Deng and Noah and my main man D Rose and we will fuck the Heat up.
No fucken way am I conceding the title to Riley. The Heat will have Beasley and charmers followed by 7 minimum players
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Ledouche and Rupaul
Man, you are one witty fellow!
by NittanyCub on Jun 28, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have a feeling Riley's going to do everything he can to lure these guys.
Even if it means becoming coach again. Spoelstra better get his resume ready if shit gets really intense starting July 1.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 28, 2010 9:40 PM CDT reply actions
If I was LBJ (I know I’m just a internet troll) I would just ask myself one Q…….Can I win 7 rings with me Rose, Noah, Bosh, and or JJ……If the answer is no, then I wouldn’t come here..If the Answer is yes then im running here……He isn’t looking for 3 or 4 rings, he is looking for 7……..He wants, and has, the opportunity (physically) to be the best ever……..And 7 rings is the only way too do it………
by I love football! on Jun 28, 2010 9:46 PM CDT reply actions
There is an article on ESPN.com in which Colangelo says he is likely going to try to do a sign and trade with Bosh
which would totally benefit the bulls!
What do we have left to trade?
The bag of peanuts we got for Gordon, Salmons, Thomas and Hinrich?
always a great contribution.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST
Um...
Luol Deng (starter-quality; playoff veteran; still young). Taj Gibson (starter-quality on a mediocre team, good back-up for a good team; still young). James Johnson (tremendous upside potential). Rights to Asik (ditto).
Unless the Lakers actually get in on the bidding, I think we’ve got the best assets to give back. (At least, of the teams that Bosh would want to go to, since he’ll be deciding everything anyway.)
Ha!
Taj Gibson being a starter quality on a mediocre team? James Johnson has tremendous upside potential?! You should be at the pitch meeting for Lebron.
Well Taj did start for us last year and we were mediocre...
by jpm356 on Jun 29, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No.. You really can't.
Taj Gibson, a guy I hate, was a mediocre starter for a mediocre team, and could continue to be so for a long time for a lot of mediocre teams.
Jannero Pargo getting minutes was a disgrace to the game of basketball.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
That's what I'm saying
Taj Gibson, a guy I don’t hate is not really a top 5 guy on a mediocre team. If you want to say that because he started for the Bulls who were average last year that makes him a mediocre starter, than you have to make the same case for Pargo.
No offense..
But do you know what you are saying? That makes no sense at all. Taj Gibson was / is mediocre. He was an average NBA player last year, and above average for a rookie. No one is saying he’s mediocre because he started for an average team. They are saying he’s average because he was average, the fact he happened to be on an average team is irrelevant.
Pargo was awful.
Your case can only made be if you are a complete moron.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
?
the logic I was using was in response to jmp356’s comment. If you want to judge Taj individually I would say at best he’s a below average player in the league.
GiT is criticizing your statement that "If you want to say that because he started for the Bulls who were average last year that makes him a mediocre starter, than you have to make the same case for Pargo."
And I agree with GiT. Taj was one of only 26 players in the entire league to play at least 20 minutes a game and average a double-double per 36 minutes (that’s less than one per team, in case you can’t do the math). He had the same PER as Jeff Green (mediocre starter for the playoff-bound Thunder) and a higher PER than Caron Butler, Wilson Chandler, Kenyon Martin, Hedo Turkoglu, Richard Jefferson, Marvin Williams, Boris Diaw, Rasheed Wallace, and Peja Stojakovic (all mediocre starters for at least part of the year), and Taj isn’t even an offensive-minded player. (He also posted a higher PER than Pargo has ever achieved over the course of a year, and Pargo is an offensive-minded player.) He had the eighth highest offensive rebounding percentage in the league (ahead of Pau Gasol, Anderson Varejao, Tim Duncan, Jason Thompson, Andrew Bogut, Paul Millsap, Jonas Jerebko, Brook Lopez, Chris Bosh, Marc Gasol, Amare Stoudemire, and Al Horford), and he’s shorter than most of those guys. And a rookie. By the way, Taj did this as a starter for 70/82 games, so he wasn’t playing against scrubs the whole time.
Can you give me any even mildly impressive stats to back up your claim that Pargo should also be considered a “starter for a mediocre team”? (Especially considering that Pargo only started 5 games this year?)
I think jpm356’s comment is spot-on, and your logic is wanting.
Sums it pretty well..
Taj is a very serviceable player, and helped the Bulls become mediocre. Jannero Pargo helped the Blackhawks increase their fan base.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Please let's get this clear
I think Pargo should not have played in the league last year and I would have rather had any d-leaguer over that clown of a chucker.
The reason I brought up Pargo’s name was to show how ludicrous the logic JPM356 was making(whose comment I was replying to) in which he was seemingly stating that Taj started for the Bulls, and because the Bulls are a mediocre team that must mean Taj is at least mediocre. Grinder in Training somehow took that to say that I was arguing with the same logic which I was trying(very badly it seems) to say was stupid.
I like how you cherry picked some stats but in itself doesn’t pass the laugh test. Taj has a high offensive rebounding percentage ahead of Gasol, Varejao, Duncan, Thompson, Bogust , Milsap…etc., so does that mean that Taj is a better offensive rebounder than ANY of those listed guys? If you think that, I can’t really help you.
Your list of players that Taj has a higher PER than includes 1 average to good player (Butler) and the rest of list are all below average at best. The fact that you list Rasheed Wallace is hilarious. I love how you go onto say the PER numbers are of greater evidence of how great Taj is because well, he isn’t an ‘offensive-minded" player is laughable. It’s not that he isn’t offensive-minded as much as he’s just not very good on offense. When you’re the 4th or 5th option on a piss-poor offense like the Bull’s were last year it says more about his offense than any stat you can bring up.
Wow.
(1) Yes, I think that Taj’s higher OREB% means that he’s a better offensive rebounder than those guys, at least last year. He was one of the best offensive rebounders in the game. He’s 9th on a per36 basis, he’s 11th on a per-game basis (despite playing fewer minutes than most of those guys), and in terms of seasonal totals, he’s 14th. There isn’t an offensive rebounding stat that he doesn’t do well in.
(2) You think points and rebounds are cherry picking for a PF? Maybe you quibble with my use of per-minute stats. Well, based on good ol’ per-game stats, there were 37 players with more rebounds and points per game than Taj. So maybe you’re right. In my defense, I would say Taj was a foul-prone rookie who couldn’t stay on the floor for 30 minutes, something that usually improves as the rookie becomes a non-rookie.
In any event, I’m making a case that Taj is a worthwhile starter on a mediocre team. Are you familiar with the concept of a “role player,” who excels in some facets of the game but not others? Taj is valuable because he does some things better than most, like grab rebounds (especially offensive rebounds) while not sucking too badly at others (scores with tolerable efficiency for a big man and plays solid — but not stellar — defense).
(3) I may have compared Taj’s PER to players who you think are “below average” (and may very well be below average), but you can’t deny that they were all starters this year, at least for a bit (and for some of them, in every game they played — namely, Kenyon Martin, Boris Diaw, Caron Butler — or almost every game — Richard Jefferson). Three of those players started for Western Conference playoff teams (not even mediocre teams, which is what we’re discussing). You seem to be missing the point.
(4) You appeal to something you term the “laugh test.” This seems to be code for your preconceived notions. I see no evidence to the contrary.
(5) You keep throwing around the word “great,” and attributing it to my arguments. I’ve never proposed to prove that Taj is “great” (except, of course, as an offensive rebounder). You seem to live in a binary world where someone is either “great” or they suck. You can’t seem to acknowledge that Taj is a valuable player that a team might want in a trade. If you think that, I can’t really help you.
Double wow.
1. Is it possible that Taj’s higher OREB% is not due to the fact that he’s a great offensive rebounding player but that the players with a lower percentage are capable of doing something else while on the offensive end? For instance, Tim Duncan may get less offensive rebounds than Taj but that is more likely because he is either taking the shot and is the focus of most team defenses to keep him off the glass than they would with Taj? You think that could be a possible?
2. Your logic is flawed as you mistakenly pointed to mine if you’re arguing that those players are at least average since they were starting on average to good teams.
3. Of course the “laugh test” would be subjective to whoever the person would be. In this case, I agree with you, but to say that numbers are everything would be also missing a huge part of the game.
4. If you actually read carefully to what I wrote, I said that Taj was “below average”. Never said that he sucked. The only one that was brought up that would fit that category would be Pargo. So if I was unclear before, I don’t think Taj “sucks” nor is he great. But he is below average and again, if he is a top 5 guy on most teams I would bet the team barely makes the playoffs.
We seem to be more in agreement than your previous posts have indicated.
“[I]f he is a top 5 guy on most teams I would bet the team barely makes the playoffs” is very similar to “starter-quality on a mediocre team,” wouldn’t you say? (You seemed to take issue with “starter-quality on a mediocre team” before, as in, with your very first post in this string.)
You make a good point that the end product does not necessarily represent ability, since ability can go unused. Although I will say that your argument with respect to Duncan cuts the other way as well — often, the one shooting the ball (especially in the pivot) is in the best position to get his own rebound since (a) he has the most information as to whether the shot is going in or not and (b) his defender has probably taken himself out of optimum rebounding position by trying to contest the shot. This argument doesn’t apply in the case of jumpshots, especially turnaround jumpshots, but I thought I’d mention it anyway.
Would benefit any of the teams though
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions
miami
only has 2 players under contract though, so their options are pretty limited.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
(even moreso than the 5 bulls we have under contract, heh)
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
although i suppose
if you think of taj and jj as our only two options to trade (unless someone wants to take deng), then we’re in no better position really.
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I've been laughing off this Stephen A, "Lebron to Miami" stuff all day, but I must say
after listening to him on the radio, it’s almost hard not to believe him. I know his whole schtick, but he sounded REALLY convinced. And the fact that he’s talking about a team that doesn’t get much pub worries me even more, because he’s really puttting himself out there for a scenario that most people thought was a real longshot. I guess we shall see, I can’t wait for this shit to be over. Here is the interview I was referring to btw, it’s with Dan Lebetard on Miami radio.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 28, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
caught it live
really dimmed my hopes a bit
bottom line with all this stuff though is it all comes down to how good everyone’s sources are and if/how the sources even have a good feel for it now is beyond me
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 28, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Even the sources don't mean all that much. There are reporters in every city with league connections
All saying they have the “inside scoop.” With a week left, I honestly wouldn’t put too much stock into all these “done deal” reports.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 28, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed
that was kind of the point i was trying to get across at the end there
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 28, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah, sometimes it's hard to tell who is actually taking these reports at face value, and who are just enjoying all the hoopla.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 28, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Who would tell this running megaphone this “scoop” anyways? And what has he ever scooped?
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
he gives some examples in the interview
talks about calling bosh leaving TOR 1.5 years ago
talks about calling Shaq and Kobe’s rift and that a Shaq trade was necessary
talks about calling a bunch of stuff with AI
i didn’t take the time to confirm any of it, but I respect LeBatard a bunch and he was talking about Stephen A as a credible journalist when it comes to this stuff. And to be fair while i dont like Stephen A at all, he very much came across as a guy that was doing what he felt was right in trusting his sources and was willing to go down with them as wrong
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 28, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Those first two weren't exactly tough to call
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
He *was* pretty close with Iverson.
That doesn’t really translate to him being close to anyone else, though.
Stephen A. is getting a lot of play out of this.
I hope he’s wrong. That’s all I can do.
And if he is wrong, I hope it finally buries him.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 28, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I think this is exactly what Screaming A wanted
When was the last time he got this much publicity? He was on Dan Patrick show today too. This is a no lose for him, just getting exposure.
You know there’s a very good chance that Lebron himself is not sure where he’ll go yet. I know I would listen to everyones pitch before making a decision.
by BoxingHideout on Jun 28, 2010 10:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Exactly.
And there’s a decent chance they go to Miami anyways, so if it happens, he can come out looking great even though he probably doesn’t know anything more than any of us.
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
I'm sure Lebron, Bosh, JJ, STAT, Boozer and Lee are leaning a certain direction.
But at this point I don’t think they even know where they are going to go yet. I’m sure Lebron wants to hear JR tell him that they will sign him and Bosh then trade Loul Deng for a shooter. Then they will have to reinsure him that they will extend both Rose and Noah as well as use next MLE to improve the roster.
Lebron knows how good Thibs is on D, but the Bulls will have to lay out what kind of offense they will run. Guys like STAT, JJ, Boozer, Lee and Gay all wait to see what Lebron, Wade and Bosh do before they make a move.
Bosh 2010!!!!!
He sounded really convinced when he said NY a week ago. As a host on The View he was entertaining, as a basketball host and a guy that’s supposed to be reporting rumors, he’s not very good. As much as I hate Wojnarowski when he does his opinion pieces dissing Lebron, when it comes to rumors he seems like the guy who knows what’s happening. Woj > Stephen A.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 28, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
True dat.
I read the reports for my own personal entertainment, but I take all of it with a grain of salt. I am a die-hard Bulls fan, but I am a grown man who has a life. So, if we don’t get Lebron my life will go on fine and his will as well.
Bosh 2010!!!!!
Wait a minute, aren't you from Australia?
You get The View in Australia?
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by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah. Same day it’s on in the US it’s here, something like a 6 hour delay. So it’s current…and my gf loves it…so she makes me watch it or I get in trouble. We get Ellen, Oprah, Dr Phil and Letterman too.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 28, 2010 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Bill Simmons...
is totally ripping Stephen A on twitter. Loving it.
I’m literally laughing out loud as I read
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Stephen A. Smith is reporting that he already won. RT @TheFix: Could Mike Huckabee be the 2012 presidential nominee?
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 28, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Kind of pot meet kettle, but bitchy journalists are so cute.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 28, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lots of journalists say stupid things but they don’t get publicly insulted by other journalist often. Makes me think Simmons knows for a fact that Stephen A. is talking BS?
Although common sense can tell you that, I just don’t see Lebron to Miami happening, imo Bulls, Knicks and even the Clippers are more likely.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 28, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
if Simmons thinks he knows anything for a fact
that’s exactly why it’s funny that he’d go after Stephen A. for similar proclamations.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Simmons isn't really into the whole "reporting" thing.
He’s an entertainment writer. Thus, the tweets.
Best tweet on the subject from Bill Simmons
48 hrs ago: sportsbook.com had LeBron at +125 to sign w/ Bulls. Bosh was +300. Now? They’re both -500. Hmmmmmm.
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Does it have good sources?
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by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I like how he didnt answer
the question regarding how he was wrong with the Knicks last week. All he said was consider the fact and then push his own ego….
LMAO: It feels like a classic dog and pony show.
SAS: What does that mean?
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i thought
he owned up to having a different opinion and kind of “wore it” even owned up that he’d come down to MIA if he was wrong and own it like a man
also the dog and pony show thing was built up prior to the interview. The co-host “Stugotz” always uses cliches on the show inappropriately and so when he used dog and pony show prior to the Stephen A interview, LeBatard challenged him to just spout it out randomly during the interview. They then had a 3 min debate as to whether Stephen A would actually respond and go off on a tangent or if he’d just sit there and be like “i dont know what you’re talking about”
i live in south fla, listening to lebatard’s show on my drive home is one of my favorite parts of my day and its for moments like that
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 29, 2010 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Not good folks
Broussard is reporting that Wade, Bosh and Lebron all met up in Miami to discuss their collective future. He sounds like he’s cooling on us a little. Miami is the new Chicago.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
One good quote from there:
Sources insisted, meanwhile, that other scenarios were discussed at the weekend meeting apart from the Miami plan. One source said James’ admiration for Bulls legend Michael Jordan is such that he is determined to hear Chicago’s pitch later this week, keeping alive the possibility that both James and Bosh could still wind up together with the Bulls.
In that scenario, sources said, James and Bosh would join Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah in Chicago, while Wade would hope to be joined in Miami by close friend Carlos Boozer, who was not at the meeting.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm hoping Bosh and LeBron fuck Wade over....
and come to the Bulls.
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 29, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry for fanpost I made about this it can be deleted.
Anyways, this isn’t very good news. However was good to see a lot of information about the Bulls also in the ESPN report.
by Bulls Fan 4 Life on Jun 29, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure this is what Stephen A. Smith's source told him
it seems like it changes every day. Tommorrow will be the Nets
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I'm starting to give up on LeBron
Until something is final, I’m assuming he doesn’t sign with us.
As for Bosh, it’s hard to see him joining but hey, I wasn’t at the meeting
The thing is
I really never thought the Bulls had a shot at Lebron in the first place. Only in the past few weeks have I truly been excited and believed it would happen. When that New York Times thing came out was probably my most confident point. It just sucks to actually get your hopes up like that, when I really never cared about it to begin with.
Plus, this Miami thing really bugs me because the NBA is gonna SUCK for the next few years. All three of those douchebags in the same place, ripping off titles, so uninteresting. There will be no drama. “Let’s see if the Dream Team can win it again this year…”. Stern can’t be happy with this outcome.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
How do we differ?
I think that would be pretty damn good too. But it ain’t beating the goliath they’re putting together in Florida unless there’s some serious injuries, so what’s the point? Getting bounced in the Eastern Conference Finals every year is not my idea of fun. I’ve never been a “Lebron or bust” guy, I just don’t want to see one team become a force of nature. If it’s not the Bulls of course ;)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
1) I still have a hard time seeing that team better than Chicago
It’s no me being a homer. Like many have discussed before, that’s only 3 slots filled.
No true PG, no true C and absolutely no bench whatsoever. They will have a hard time stacking up against big teams.
2) Rose is still only 21 and you can make an argument that he may evolve into a Wade-like superstar, maybe even better. He’s that young. If you give him help like Joe Johnson and Amare (or anyone), he’s going to achieve a whole new level. Noah still is Noah. Deng is a very solid 3. And we’ll have Taj!
As to your first point
the point guard position in it’s purest form is totally irrelevant, they almost shouldn’t want a point guard on that team. They have Wade an Lebron who could handle all that stuff. All they need is a Steve Blake type and they easily win 60 + games. Mario Chalmers would be fine as well (since he’s already there). The Center thing is a little more tricky, but by no means is it a gamechanger. They can get something done there.
With your second point, I totally agree that Rose could reach great heights, and even surpass Wade in the coming years. The problem is, that team will still have Lebron, and he will always be the difference. Not to mention Bosh, who’s amazing too. It would take a miracle to beat those guys.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Assuming Bulls sign Joe Johnson and Amare Stoudamire
Rose vs Chalmers – ROSE easy
Johnson vs Wade – Wade not as easy
James vs Deng – easy but Deng sure plays him well
Bosh vs Stoudamire – possibly even when STAT plays alongside Noah
Noah vs D-Leaguer to be named later – Noah easy
Bulls bench vs Miami bench – As of now, we got Gibson so advantage Bulls.
Coaching – Thibs vs Spoelstra – Thibs (I hope)
Come on man, you no it isn't as simple
as just breaking down matchups like that. Once those guys get together they’ll raise the level of every player on the team. They’ll have two of the top 3 and 3 of the top 8 (or so) players in the league. Talent trumps all. I would bet my soul that that team wins a ring next year. As far as Amare, that will not happen, the Bulls just won’t go there, as much as I’d like them too.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly. Talent trumps all and raise the level of every player on the team
Rose, Noah, Deng and Gibson will all be that much better with all stars on their sides.
I’m just telling you that it’s a bit more competitive than you think
talent doesn't trump injuries
Lebron/Wade/Bosh would have to play 48 min a night with the crap they’d have to fill in the rest of their roster. I could see Lebron keeping that pace up, but Bosh and Wade? DL ahoy!
They don't have to win every game...
Depth is a non-factor in the NBA. This isn’t the NFL. They’d have no trouble adding guys like Juwan Howard, Shaq, etc.. to fill out their roster. They could play 3 on 5 and probably be fine.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 29, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I dunno
My point isn’t that they couldn’t win a ton of games. I just think that they’d have to play a ton of minutes to do so, and with more minutes, comes higher risk of injury. I wouldn’t rule it out that by the time playoffs come either wade or bosh would be done for the season, and then it’s "2v5"ish…i don’t like their chances then.
"the NBA is gonna SUCK"
how would this be different if Bosh/Lebron came to the Bulls?
I mean basically the same impact on the NBA right? Just a different perspective as a Bulls fan
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 29, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nothing really has changed much
Seriously, how many teams have one titles in the past 30 years or so?
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Nobody, actually.
Every organization that has won, has won multiple times.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Oh and this actually might be what Steven A Smith THOUGHT was a done deal
His source see or hears about the meeting between all three, assumes since it was so secret . . . it was probably to discuss their plans to sign together.
He tells Steven A Smith what he believed and that’s that
I don't think mai as enought to sign all three to a max deal..
thats why they want to move beasley
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 29, 2010 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
so why is everyone assuming bosh and lebron will join....
if they don’t have enought to sign all three to max deals…
Am I right?? can’t they only sign Wade and Lebron to a max deal? and bosh would have to take a little pay cut
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 29, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
The bottom line is (just like with the Bulls)
if they’re determined to make it happen, they can. When the Heat are that far under, there’s ways to get shit like that done without everyone going on Welfare.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions
A little pay cut?
You mean like a 40% pay cut…they would have like $9M to offer the third guy…no way they are getting three max players.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
.That's a good point
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I know the bulls are in the same exact position when it comes to getting bosh and Lebron
Both just fall alittle short of being able to sign Bosh to a max deal..
It comes down to who as the best sales pitch in IMO.
Lebron as to feel comforable we will pay the bucks out to rose and noah when their time comes and Tom Thib as to be impressive as hell when he is explaining his offensive and defensive plans to Lebron
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 29, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions
IMO
I say Bosh and LeBron come to chicago – says maybe their is a slight bias but still, it’s not totatly unrealistic to predict.
Mia gets – Amire and JJ
and after I thought about it, even if we were somehow able to move’s deng contract, Instead of going after joe johnson, I think it would be smarter trying to get kyle korver and a backup Big to go along with taj.
Now if miller says however, then we would already have are backup big, so then i might change my stance on going after a bigger name shooting guard.
this is all hypothetically speaking Deng gets moved
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 29, 2010 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
and one final note
mia doesn’t have the history chi does, I really think that is playing a big factor in LeBron James coming here. We all know LeBron James ego is huge and I think the chance of being known as one of the Bulls Greats along with Micheal Jordan is a big plus in his eyes
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 29, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
How did you just post three long responses all from me saying "that's a good point"?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions
easy
i hit reply and posted my note. do you need some directions?
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 29, 2010 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Correct me if I'm wrong but,
isn’t Wade still technically under contract with Miami and therefore couldn’t this be considered tampering if this meeting actually happened?
Or it could be considered gwtting drunk with a couple of buddies
How could the NBA tell the difference
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by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I still don't get why Lebron would want to go to Miami.
That triumvirate looks awesome, but who would he rather play with for the next ten years; Wade, Bosh and D-League scrubs or Rose-Bosh-Noah-Deng/JJ? Advantage Bulls.
What fans would he rather play for, Bulls or Heat? Those fans are as probably going to bring vuvuzelas to Heat home games. Advantage Bulls.
Would he rather come to Chicago and be the clear cut guy or go the Heat and play second fiddle to Wade? Advantage Bulls.
Would he rather play for Thibs or Spoelstra? Advantage Bulls.
COME TO CHICAGO LEBRON!
My take on Miami is..
it would taint LeBron’s legacy to win with Wade. (As much as I hate Ric Bucher I’m taking his argument.)
They’re both Alpha dogs and I believe while LBJ may like Wade as a buddy he wouldn’t wanna share the glory.. if LBJ wants to get to the MJ/ Kobe ranks he’s got to be the Alpha dog. Just my theory. I guess deep down I don’t believe James wants people to connect him with Wade. But maybe he doesn’t care.
You're gettting carried away.
You’re assuming Wade would play at a comparable level in the title runs. He’s going to be 29 and he’s shown to be less durable.
Chicago still has a great shot, relax.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jun 29, 2010 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions
So back to back days....
and back to back “sure things”….I think its time to cool it on the rumor mill for a while.
''I'm not in the gym every morning now for the Cy Young. I want what the boys did in 2005. I want that dog pile, that memory, that ring.''
Good luck with that
I’ll be riding the roller-coaster ride again all day tomorrow.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
Sigh...Who am I kidding...
Sign me up!
''I'm not in the gym every morning now for the Cy Young. I want what the boys did in 2005. I want that dog pile, that memory, that ring.''
by TheIronSchenk on Jun 29, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Juwan howard is on Sportsnite politicing for a ring. Maybe the Bulls? hint hint
and Kevin Durant said the Chicago.
sorry
Kevin Durant was asked where he thought LeBron would be and he said here in Chicago. Going against Rose and LeBron is going to be tough for the rest of the league. nice!
Was there video of Durant saying it, or did they just quote him?
Btw I thought you were gone til July 8th? That didn’t take long
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
You know I can't quit this addiction..
He was at Nike town and the report asked where he thought LeBron would sign and he said ’ Here in Chicago.’ reporter really? ’ yeah I really think so everybody needs a change, it’s going to be tough for other teams going against Derrick Rose, LeBron James and Joakim Noah.’’ That was the gist of it.
I'm thinkng Durant was Doug's source
He was there to get an autograph
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I had to take a long walk and collect my thoughts.
I even put my arms crossed behind my back and took slow gentle steps.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
Now you're posting gifs?
This Lebron stuff really is turning the world upside down
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
it's a small-ish one, at least?
i dunno, I may have to outlaw these too if they’re page-slowers.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions
ive got wireless nothing can slow my connection down
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 29, 2010 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions
that's too bad
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2010 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
why don't you kiss his ass some more
lol
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 29, 2010 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know what that has to do with anything
but it’s fucking great!
I've never really noticed a big slow down from big pictures or gifs
And I think they’re quite fun, I’m happy you loosened up your policy on that a little
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 29, 2010 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
that's the price of success
we have hundreds of posts with 300+, 500+ comments. Others have like… 50+
And that is why LeBron is coming
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 29, 2010 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Random Thought.
Rose’s number is 1, johnson’s is 2 and bosh’s is 4. If the impossibility happens and we have rose, johnson, james, bosh, noah next year, as mind as well just change james’s to 3 and noah’s to 5. wow im getting too far ahead of myself. someone please drug me till july 8th.
Yeah
I always remember the glory days of:
1- Crawford
2- Curry
3- Chandler
4 – some dude?
5 – Jalen Rose
Yes, the consecutive numbers always lead to championships.
Um...
Chris Bosh wears #4.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
So...from that article I got that Dwade was trying to convince LBJ and Bosh to come to Miami?
Some summit. It was Wade pitching Miami to James and Bosh, he coulda’ did that on the phone.
Still, James was “non-committal” because he wants to hear what the Bulls have to say? That’s good news for the Bulls because the lure of playing in Chicago to follow in Jordan’s legacy is so strong.
I think Wade failed especially since he will be visiting the Bulls, Mavs, and the Knicks too. Looks silly.
by Playboy_BullV on Jun 29, 2010 2:06 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Who knows? Maybe that meeting didn't go so well from Wade's perspective.
Maybe that’s why there are a couple stories out now (KC’s, one in the South Florida Sun Sentinel) about Wade wanting to “cover” himself by meeting with other teams.
Here’s something else of interest from the Sun Sentinel’s report:
Although speculation on a Wade-James-Bosh pairing has centered on each of the three taking less than maximum salaries to make the math work, one NBA team executive told the Sun Sentinel on Monday that it was his belief that not all of the players involved are receptive to such an approach.
Plus, the Sun Sentinel article relies heavily on sources close to Wade, and I believe those are probably the sources Stephen A is relying on and the ones Broussard cites. It’s funny that this stuff leaks out on the heels of the NYT report about LBJ/Bosh to the Bulls. The more I look at it, this Miami stuff seems like a last-ditch effort by Wade to make a push for LBJ/Bosh. Perhaps sensing that it may not work out that way, he puts out hype that it could happen while being prepared to skip town if he can’t get what he wants.
Then again, I’m a seasoned paranoid. Nobody knows anything, of course.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions
how is Wade-James-Bosh a "pairing"?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'll tell you how.
Poor copy editing.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 29, 2010 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Remember when people were saying MJ would be the reason Lebron wouldn’t choose the Bulls. Now they are saying it’s a reason for him to go to the Bulls, which imho makes a whole lot more sense.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 29, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Anything short of LBJ and it's a disaster!
And you numbskulls will give them credit for trying.
One thing for sure though, they will continue to make a ton of money!!
always a great contribution.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST
I guess it comes down to this...does LBJ want a chance at being the GOAT?
IF he does, the answer is simple. Go to Chicago and follow in Jordan’s footsteps. Or, AKA, embrace the shadow. If he wins titles in Jordan’s town as a the lead dog, it’s certainly possible in my opinion depending on how everything plays out.
IF winning and only winning is the only thing, then he signs with Miami. But, I fail to see him seriously going for GOAT if he’s winning titles next to Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh.
That said, I think LBJ understands this. All isn’t lost and the Bulls still get to make their pitch. One thing seems for sure, I’m doubting we will have an agreement with Bosh heading into the meeting…so I wonder if the Bulls panic a bit and try to ink up Joe Johnson first thing on July 1.
Jesus...if this Miami thing happens...
will I have to root for the Lakers next year in the Finals? Yikes.
Toronto Raptors general manager Bryan Colangelo acknowledged Monday for the first time in a radio interview with the Fan590 in Toronto that “it’s becoming more and more clear” that the prospect of Bosh re-signing with the Raptors is “not going to happen.” But sources close to the situation have maintained for months that Bosh was likely to work with the Raptors on a sign-and-trade if he ultimately decided to leave in free agency, thereby ensuring that Toronto doesn’t lose him without compensation and enabling Bosh to get an extra year on his contract potentially worth as much as $30 million.
Yeah, I said saying "for sure"
Which in my brain means they think they’re sure. Which means nothing.
Why would he do this?
It’s basically going to weaken the team he’s playing for.
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
According to nypost.com Lebron will leave Cleveland, the Knicks have done a good job of shooting themselves in the foot, The Nets have a chance and the Bulls and Heat are the front runners.
If Lebron does choose the Bulls, you guys should thank World Wide Wes, Woj and now this article both say he’s the guy whose been pushing Chicago the most in Lebrons camp.
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