BlogABron - 6/28
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 28, 2010 9:15 AM CDT
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PrintForgot to add: Thanks to wjb1492 for sub duties over the weekend. It seems that everyone got along (well, as much as that's ever the case), so thanks to everyone else, too.
Let's try this out: consolidating all the free agency sorta-news into one thread, instead of updating the sidebar with every random tweet and post out there.
To get us back on track, here's a remembrance of FanShots recently mowed down by the threadslayer*:
- Stein: "It's believed that Bosh will also meet face-to-face with the Chicago Bulls soon after free agency officially commences at 12:01 a.m. Thursday, but it remains to be seen if Wade -- a Chicago native who was recently critical of the Bulls' organization -- intends to huddle with the Bulls."
- Woj: "One prominent agent says tonight: "I think there's a very good chance the Knicks will get shutout (in free agency)...Even likely...""
- Broussard: "Very possible that 5 of top 6 free agents join 2 teams: LJ/Bosh in CHI, DWade, Amare or Boozer and Joe Johnson in Miami"
- Joe Johnson news roundup: Hawks to offer him max deal, Knicks and Bulls willing to do the same.
- Stephen A Smith says James and Bosh to Miami.
- Mike McGraw identifies Chris Bosh as the Bulls first target (while they wait for the LeBron meeting), and not Joe Johnson.
Get as excited as you want, it is exciting, but it's not news. As much as seemingly every indication is that LeBron is coming to the Bulls, there's actually no indication. I'm off the mindset that this all as crap.
*If you had some awesome comment on those departed threads, I can't move over the comments. I can, however, email them to you if you ask.
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This is either going to be one of the greatest summers ever
or the biggest tease.
by SoulEater7 on Jun 28, 2010 9:27 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
they already traded Hinrich
you can’t be unsatisfied.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 28, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
Do you see Raptors/Cavs taking either James Johnson or Taj?
it would be a cheap catch for either team and would clear the remaining money for the full max for LBJ, Bosh
I'd think the Raptors would take Taj or JJ
The Cavs.. it may be tough for them to accept a S&T.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they just made LeBron leave straight up, like a lot of other people have already said, do you want to be the guy who traded LeBron James?
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
You're either the guy who "traded" LeBron or the guy who let him walk away for nothing
Why not take something back even if it is just Johnson or Taj or a future 2nd round draft pick? Without James, that team is going to need all the help it can get.
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
from a PR standpoint...
If they S&T, they get some blame for letting him go, even if he said “I’m leaving no matter what.”
If they just let him go, all the anger in Ohio will be directed at LBJ for leaving, not at the Cavs for trading him.
Which one will result in a greater drop off in ticket sales?
the 2nd one
A shittier team effects ticket sales more than anger at the GM for doing his best in a bad situation.
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by dantheman3k on Jun 28, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Taj Gibson doesn't make your team all that great
He’s a nice role player and all, but they can easily find a guy like that.
Forcing him to leave w/o a sign and trade also makes him take less money. Something Cavs fans will probably agree with. I think the Cavs fans will hate LBJ, not the team if they refuse to do a S&T.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Did you see who Shaq got traded for when he went to Miami?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
This situation is not at all like that situation.
To compare the two is silly.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
You're silly
If a sign and trade is forced then they will figure out a way to make it work. Taking any young talent on a rookie contract is going to happen.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
No. The Cavs are not getting the haul that LA got.
No team that got caproom and prepared to get LeBron even has that much talent on their roster to give. Secondly, it’s a completely different situation.
The Cavs will be lucky to get Taj Gibson and James Johnson and draft picks
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Either way, LeBron outright signing or doing a sign/trade, it's going to be remembered as his choice to leave
just as Grant Hill is remembered for walking out on Detroit and Rashard Lewis for accepting big money from Orlando. Further, the sign and trade isn’t even really a trade. It’s a contractual obligation of the Cavs to trade LeBron in that scenario. While most people may not actually know the rules, they do seem to understand the sentiment behind a sign and trade.
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
I may remember that they left, but I certainly don't care. It hasn't tarnished there reps in the slightest.
The only people that might care are the folks in Detroit and seatle.
It was different
They were not league MVPs… they didn’t attract the same amount of attention. And although Grant Hill was an elite level talent, Detroit was able to stitch its wounds two seasons later with a team that was better than the one with Grant Hill on it. Plus, Grant Hill HAD no reputation to speak of after that sign and trade because he was essentially out of the league for the next three years.
Cleveland is losing a living legend. If he goes to Chicago, he would be joining a city that was dissed by a player from the team he is joining, he will be suiting up with a divison rival of his hometown and childhood franchise, and he will be doing so despite the city desperately and exaggerately has clamored for him to stay.
It will tarnish Lebron more than Hill or TMac… if he wins championships in chicago, though, less will blame him.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 28, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree, I don't think they S/T LeBron
one of their few leverage points is the extra money and a 6th year. If they give that up, they’re giving up on LeBron staying. They can paint it as LeBron leaving, saying he took less money to ditch y’all. Just look at D2.0 and his loving of Bulls fans booing Gordon when he returned.
I think whatever they got in return wouldn’t help as much, even a trade exception means you’re taking a high-salaried player a team wants to give away. Plus, it’s like why help LeBron even if it helps you out somewhat.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 28, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think
it’s likely the Knicks get shut out in free agency. I’d predict the Knicks get Joe Johnson and Amare.
DEJESUS!!!
They'll
be resigning David Lee, that will be the Knicks big splash
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jun 28, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I thnk that's wishful thinking. The p;ayers who go to New York with be lavished by the city if they get
back to the playoffs next year.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 28, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
They can recreate the D'Antoni Suns! Except without the only thing that made those Suns really go: Steve Nash.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
they were lost when he missed those six games mid '04-'05. it's why he won the mvp.
though i think things would not be so bleak ‘10-’11, since johnson and stoudemire have grown as players.
it would not surprise me if they “got shut out” and had to re-sign lee. i would be tempted to overpay/steal tyrus from charlotte. but d’antoni is not big on accountability, so it might not be best for his career overall, despite the numbers he could put up there.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
also, i find it hard to believe new york is anywhere near amare's first option.
maybe for joe, he’s tough to figure.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
I think Amare
will go draws in to sign w/ Miami.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jun 28, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Woj says Amare to Miami is on the wane.
He quotes someone from inside Amare’s camp:
"Everybody thinks he’s going to Miami," a source in the Stoudemire camp said, "but that probably won’t happen."
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 28, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
They have to be absolutely kicking themselves
for not picking Jennings.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 28, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Or even Ty Lawson. He is an absolute perfect fit for D'Antoni ball.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
d'antoni influence on your draft seems to be influence you don't want
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
meh. his offense works. defense could use a fair amount of work, but he's got good ideas on offense.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
but i'm talkin' draft, fs.
i really like a lot about him, but he has a history of doing this in the draft. not getting his guy (curry), and being too critical of any second choice (jennings/lawson).
kinda an anti-kahn, maybe, who focuses on one position and takes his 1st, 2nd, (and 3rd?) choices there!
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
I don't think he'll go back.
Enough other teams can offer him the maximum.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
His max is lower, right?
I think it’s ~12 million. He’d probably return more value over the life of his deal than Boozer or maybe even Amare. I’d say the same concept can apply to Gay and Johnson.
Brad Miller and Rudy Gay
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
This. I just don’t see every major FA turning down a max deal from the Knicks. I think they get Joe and Boozer. Miami gets Amare.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 28, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
The Bulls will get better this offseason. How much better is an important question, but we just won't know until
July 8th (or later).
All the smoke and mirrors crap is driving everyone a little nutty.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 9:29 AM CDT reply actions
I am officially worn out on all the speculation.
I just want to wake up on July 31 and learn who we got.
by arjoseph on Jun 28, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good god, I'd hope we don't have to wait until July 31st.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought it was a safe date to pick.
I hope it happens before then too, and I think it probably will. But if I’m going to go Rip Van Winkle to avoid it all, I want to make sure everything’s settled when I wake up.
I'm popping a bunch of Xanax and waiting for it to wear off on July 1st
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jun 28, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
At least they can start confirming rumors on Thursday.
So far, they’ve had to deny everything since it would be tampering.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Wow, Stephen A. say s Miami?
This officially has gotten stupid. I bet he’s gone to New York nad it’s been that way all along
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
Quite frankly, Stephen A. just misses the attention.
Too easy?
Wade and LeBron on the same team? I just can’t see it. These are two 30-ppg scorers in their primes. And then Bosh? Not enough basketballs. Rose doesn’t need to score to be effective. Wade does.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 28, 2010 9:40 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Rose offers little more to a team than his scoring ability. Wade's the better passer, rebounder, and defender
All Rose has a leg up on is his maybe his mid-range shot, but we don’t even know if he’ll be effective with that as a spot up shooter.
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
in my eyes, the age factor has always been significant
Rose is gonna be effective for a longer time. if Lebron teamed up with Wade, their window for titles would be smaller than with the Bulls. plus, i believe Wade’s usage rate conflicts more with Lebron’s than Rose would.
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by BULLieving in Miami on Jun 28, 2010 10:13 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with the age thing and think that's a good selling point, but Wade is the better player and I'd have little
doubt he and LeBron could find a way to play with each other.
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
The other worry with Wade is injuries. If you're building a three person super team with pretty much no depth
if one of those guys goes down for an extended period of time, you’re boned. Wade has had multiple seasons where he’s been dinged up or knocked out. The Heat would still win a lot of games on the strength of Bosh+LeBron, but the injury threat needs to be mentioned in discussing Wade. Plus, Rose could develop into a player with a similar impact to Wade (he has all the tools to and seemingly has the work ethic to get there) and the Bulls have Deng and Noah to boot. The Bulls are in a better position, I think.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
If they had a superteam,
or even any other useful scorer, Wade wouldn’t have to throw himself around like he has for the past two years. He could save those tactics for the playoffs, and hopefully stay healthier because of that.
He was still doing it
When he had a healthy Shaq playing with him. That’s just who he is, and what makes him great. It’s pretty hard to turn that off.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Rose has his health & he's much younger.
Wade’s game leads to a lot of punishment. And he’s much older than Rose, who is going to better past the first year or two?
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Not to mention...
Miami will not have the cap space for all three unless they trade Beasley…and then the roster minimum salaried players. It doesnt make any sense….
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 28, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
New York?
By NY do you mean the Nets? I’d think no matter what, it won’t be the Knicks. Every option out there is better, and if it’s the NY market he wants, he can play two years with the Nets and they’ll be in Brooklyn.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Idk, I've always thought in the back of my mind that he would just go to New York
All I know is, I cannot see him playing with Wade in Miami. There’s no way. It’s terrible for the league. As much as I hate NewYork and don’t wanna see him go there, at least it makes a little sense. Who the hell cares about basketball in Miami?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't see a reason why though for New York.
Team worst of those who want him to sign. Sure they could get another FA, but so could other teams.
Market size? Who cares.. Clippers and Nets (in two years when he’s celebrating a championship) offer the same sized markets and better supporting casts. Nets with LeBron and Jay-Z in Brooklyn will be a hell of a lot more popular than the terrible ass New York Knicks.
Doesn’t want to play in a shadow? Well then Clippers are your team, or the Nets.. they suck too.
Wants to play with super stars? Well then that’s Chicago or Miami.
Taxes are the highest in NY. The team is bad, it’s poorly run, and has a bad history. It’s by far the worst option of all.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
::raises hand::
the thigh bone is not connected to the free throw bone.- Shaquille O'Neal
by BULLieving in Miami on Jun 28, 2010 10:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
well, I always hated Stephen A
and he’s claiming what he says is Fact / Report and not a guess based on some poor lead.
If you read the rest of his twitter:
“@RonHotDawgz654 Wish we could get the STFU, dawg. But if you have a job and you get a paycheck to comment on such things, u wouldn’t STFU.”
“@illquittomorrow Whatever you say. I’ve got 17 years of guessing pretty damn good, so I’ll go with that”
“@philprimato I have a damn radio show. What the hell would you have me do? Give the news then disappear?”
“@CMHan15 Thank you for your comments, sir. Much appreciated….from someone who actually does know SHIT, I assume”
“@AndrewSmithEsq I don’t GUESS with news of this magnitude, sir. I’m better off keeping my mouth shut and letting someone else break it.”
I don’t trust the Stephen A report more (or less) than I trust the Woj report that its Bosh + Lebron to the Bulls.
I don’t think Stephen A’s particularly confident, I think he just clicked the “get angry” button and is roaming around on his mental roid rage.
STEPHEN SMITH
AAAAAAAAAAAAANGRY
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
That's Smith's twitter?
Pretty angry / profane posts for someone who has his own radio show.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
yes, it is his twitter
http://twitter.com/stephenasmith
I find great entertainment in how angry he appears over sub-120 character messages.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
lol I thought that was funny, too.
I think he’s a funny guy with little-to-no intelligence and I don’t know if he’s ever truly accurately reported an “inside scoop”. He’s generally not their breaking news guy, he’s their extreme-opinion ex-post-facto guy. I don’t know what to make of a breaking news report on a Stephen A Smith radio show.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Stephen A is awful.
Big time clown.
Bosh or Bust
by JockstrapNoah on Jun 28, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
this is too funny, if true
From what I gathered, according to Smith the Knicks have made a mistake because of Donnie Walsh’s age and the fact that they never should have let Isiah go because of his "recruiting" skills and reputation.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 28, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know what's worse
That Smith believes this, or if it was true, and LeBron actually thought highly of Isiah.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
there's no way anyone thought highly of Isiah Thomas the coach or the executive.
the player, maybe; but there’s no way Lebron was like I’m gonna go to the Knicks! Wait, you fired Isiah Thomas!??!
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by dantheman3k on Jun 28, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Isiah wouldn't even been able to free up the cap room
His trading skills sucked
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jun 28, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
20 years later, could things be coming full circle for the Bulls?
It’s kinda eerie how this could all work out, and obviously I’m counting my chickens before they hatch…
But 20 years ago, there was a major passing-of-the-torch in the NBA, as Magic and the Lakers were dismantled in 5 games in the Finals by Jordan and the Bulls. Up til that point, Jordan was already widely considered the best singular talent in the NBA, but many wondered if he had the team vision and mental toughness to bring home a title. In the meantime, his Finals adversary, Magic Johnson, had long since cemented his legacy as one of the greatest players of all-time.
I’m sure I don’t have to mention how ridiculously similar that ’90-91 season could be to the ’10-11 season for both franchises, and the NBA as a whole. They say the NBA and professional sports in general follow a cyclical pattern… well if the Bulls can manage to pull off all the right moves in the biggest summer in NBA history, that changing of the guard that happened 20 years ago could be almost identically mirrored this season.
by Daniel Satan on Jun 28, 2010 9:37 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
How much cap space do the Mavs have then?
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
dirk isn't going anywhere
he had to opt out now to get an extension before the new CBA. he’ll get perhaps 5 or 6 million less next season, but he’ll be making up for that long term and helping Dallas out luxury tax-wise.
the thigh bone is not connected to the free throw bone.- Shaquille O'Neal
by BULLieving in Miami on Jun 28, 2010 10:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe he wants to get in on the developing arms race
in the East. Maybe he sees splitting as his last chance to win, a la KG.
Or maybe he thinks some team (ahem, the Knicks, ahem) is going to get desperate and sign him to max dollars just to save face. If he can’t win with Dallas or another contender won’t want to pay him, why not cash in with the Knicks or the Nets? Okay, maybe that’s a dumb question, at least with regard to the Knicks.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 28, 2010 10:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You should acknowledge the commenters who found those for you.
I know you don’t like doing that, but….
that said, here’s a comment I was typing up about David Lee. Why? Because I love Lee.
The Thunder can off him his max if the cap is $55 or higher.
2011-2012 lineup
Westbrook – Maynor
Harden – Sefolosha – Weaver
Durant – Sefolosha
Lee – Ibaka
Aldrich – Lee – Mullens???
WHAT?!?!?!
And, of course, they’ll still have Kristic’s and Collison’s rights if they don’t think those guys are ready. They probably won’t spend money, but if they’re willing, that team is going to be ridonkulous.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
hey, it's not that I wouldn't LIKE doing it
I’m all about giving credit. You’re right, I could annotate each bullet with the fanshot’s author. I figured just attribute it to the great BaB community. That’s ALL of you! congrats!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 28, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I was just messin', but yeah, I thought it would be nice to people.
(we’re very fickle and needy around here, donchaknow)
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I've decided we don't appreciate yfBB enough :)
by wjb1492 on Jun 28, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
d'oh, forgot to give my thanks at the top of the post.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 28, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Not necessary at all
But subbing does make me appreciate how much work goes into keeping this place running, especially when the something big happens and the place goes semi-crazy.
too late!
already double-thanked.
I don’t mind the craziness, it’s better than the days on a dormant blog. The software makes it very easy to remove stuff, and my cold dead heart makes it even easier.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 28, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Lee would be a really good fit on the Thunder
I think that team would be a top 4 seed in the West almost immediately if they pulled that off. And if the Bulls pull off what we’re hoping they do we might see some pretty amazing battles between these two in the playoffs for the next 5 to 10 years.
Forget Portland!!!
hah!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I love Lee too...
And you forgot to mention the Thunder have another pretty good player in Jeff Green (3/4 tweener) that would get some minutes in there…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 28, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Jeff Green stinks.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Insightful.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 28, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
You called him pretty good. He's not.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
What's so bad about Jeff Green?
He definitely doesn’t stink. Some of his numbers were a bit down this year but he contributes in nearly every category at a decent clip, and he’s only going to be 24 in a couple of months.
He's just not very good at anything. He just plays a lot of minutes. That's about all he does.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
What does he do well?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
He fills the stat sheet across all of the categories.
He doesn’t stand out in any category, but if he can revert back to his 08-09 form I think he’s a pretty decent 3-4 swingman. He might be able to play a Lamar Odom role on a pretty good team. And from the small sample of games I’ve seen him play, he looks like a good defender.
He doesn't rebound, block, assist or steal.
That’s like 4 of the 5 major categories. Doesn’t get to the line. Can’t shoot 3’s.
Dunno, just not seeing it.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'm a big fan of Odom, and outside of rebounding I think they're very similar.
I’m not saying he’s a superstar, but he definitely does not stink as FundamentallySound said above. I believe he can be a damn good role player fringe-starter on a high-quality team. He can shoot threes, 35% career, that’s more than decent for a guy his size. He’s got an acceptable FG%, grabs 6 boards a game and plays good defense, all as a 3-4 swingman. You’ve gone on record saying you’d like to bring back Tyrus. Green is better than Tyrus at everything other than help defense.
hah!
no, he’s not
not at all.
green stinks
his FG% is not acceptable and neither is his 3pt%. he doesn’t rebound at all for a PF, and his defense isn’t that good.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
So are Kobe's percentages not acceptable either?
You live and die by stats, and that’s fine and dandy if you’re talking baseball, but not if you’re talking basketball.
Tyrus is a worse man-to-man defender, a piss poor rebounder, a horseshit shooter and an absolute idiot on the floor. He can dunk and block shots, and that’s it.
Jeff Green can't do anything better than Tyrus, it's laughable how one guy can get all the hype for doing the same thing as the "idiot."
The guy looked like he didn’t even belong in the NBA during the playoffs. There’s a reason they took on Mo Pete’s salary this year just to draft Cole Aldrich.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 28, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
He had a poor series,
but I’m not going to discount his 08-09 season as a fluke, and he was pretty solid that year, and not that much worse this past season.
6 boards a game for a PF who logs the minutes he logs sucks.
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by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
He only fills the stat sheet because he logs so many minutes. He's below average, per-minute,
in most of those categories. Plus, he’s inefficient as a scorer.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he'll be there the next after Lee.
I just read Sham’s great recap and he continually pointed out that the Thunder had to take Mo Peterson, effectively using all of their cap space. They won’t get Lee. They took Aldrich now and for sure instead of hoping for Lee. I like it.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
i think they should've traded green for amare at the deadline
have to believe something like that was possible. i do like aldrich. it’s tough to say they’re making the most of their potential though. i think green is a future limitation.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
It's also known that they don't want to go far into the luxury tax
With Westbrook and Durant due up for big extensions, and Green to a smaller extent. That’s why there were no rumors for them to be free agent players.
Aldrich and the expiring contract of Peterson was a way for them to use their cap space to get talent, without adding significant salary past this year. Pretty smart move considering.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
It is.
Green won’t be around. Way too many options for PF. Ibaka, Mullens, Aldrich, DJ White, Tibor Pleiss, future picks. You’ll get at least two guys out of that group better than Green. While he’s on the rookie contract and the “veteran” guy, he’s fine, but after another year of Ibaka, additions of Aldrich and White. Meh.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Won't happen
They forfeited their rights to 2010 FA by taking back Mo Peterson’s contract to get Aldrich. They won’t be sufficiently under the cap to get Lee.
Brad Miller is god.
Saw that. Added that comment above.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
...is what?
the suspense is killing me
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by dantheman3k on Jun 28, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
No real purpose to my post, just that Stephen A. always uses that! Every other sentence begins with “The fact of the matter is….” It’s really funny!
First time poster here and I think Stephen A. Smith
is a jackass and is doing his show in the middle on nowhere because of how horrible everyone realized he is once he was somewhere that people would see/hear him.
That being said, something that i think the Bulls have that Mia/Nets/Knicks dont is the proximity to the Midwest. In addition, Lebron has 3 kids and may be more family minded then people think. Is Miami or New York a good fit for that life? I don’t think so.
Also would like to point everyone to the Bill Simmons podcast with Chad Ford. Part 2 has a good discussion on why LeBron is coming to Chicago including how he went to Gibson’s and embraced the Jordan legacy and wants to be like him., Jordan has his own table at Gibson’s and his own waiter, and the waiter went on to say, Lebron told him to keep this table open for him or something to that regard.
There is an entire fan post on the Bill Simmons podcast...
We’ve all heard the Gibson’s story. I realize you’re new, so that’s fine, but I’d recommend reading other posts.
To your second point, LeBron is still going to live in Akron in the offseason, and he can afford to fly home at any time or have his family fly to him.. It’s not like he’s driving back to Ohio on the weekends like a regular Joe.
http://www.travelmath.com/flight-time/from/New+York,NY/to/Akron,OH
It’s not much of a difference between Chicago to Akron vs. New York to Akron anyways (less than 10 minutes says this website).
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
It's not the travel part
but is his family staying back? Is he really living in New York while the wife is home with 3 kids? My point on being the family man is, the club scene may not be his thing all the time. He may be more interested in a place where he can have a life for his family, not a place where he can enjoy the beach or the club. He can travel to those a few times a year, but he will want his family near if he is a family guy that based on all accounts that he is.
by niuhuskie224 on Jun 28, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Chicago has plenty of clubs where he could get in trouble
He’s just as close to home from NY as he is Chicago. If he doesn’t like the club life and going out, he can find a quiet place just as easily in NY as he can in Chicago. Just like if he does want to live that life style and go out, he could find it any city.
He can easily keep his family in a nice place in New York as he can in Chicago, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they have nicer private schools in NY, if he did want his family with him.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I understand
I just feel like Chicago isn’t the magnet for that kind of stuff like New York. New York is a different monster. That’s all. I can’t really comment on the schools or the non New York City life area. Just from all the years of everything I have read and heard, Chicago doesn’t compare to New York in the club or celebrity night life scene.
by niuhuskie224 on Jun 28, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Obviously more famous people there and expensive clubs
But there are plenty here to the point that, if that’s his problem, he can’t play in Chicago either.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
LeBron is going out of his way to make this a purely basketball decision.
Which is smart. All the other stuff he can figure out when he gets a contract.
Bosh or Bust
by JockstrapNoah on Jun 28, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Fortunately
Steven A. sources /= Lebron nor Bosh.
I’m sure the situation is fluid as it is Free Agency, but still, the Bulls best argument is, Chicago Bulls 2010-2011
LeBron James — 25 Chris Bosh — 26 Joakim Noah — 25 Luol Deng — 25 Derrick Rose — 21 Taj Gibson — 25
Stephen A was just on Waddle and Silvy
He stood by his report and says he thinks Amare and Joe Johnson could be a package deal to a team like the Knicks or Bulls. Quite frankly, I think Stephen A is full of shit. I still don’t think the Bulls are as sure a thing as people make them out tu be, but this feels like Stephen A is being a contrarian to get his name out there. Plus he could easily change his mind (his sources) in a couple of days and all of this will be forgotten.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
Yep... it's an easy announcement to make
If it changes, he can just say well, “that was their plan, but such and such happened, so it couldn’t go down.”
No one can ever really disprove him, so it’s the perfect kind of thing for a radio host to say. It’s free publicity that will not hurt him in any way.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep, plus if he said "New York" or "Chicago"
he would just be one of many people saying it.. By saying Miami, he offers a different option and something that will get his name out there.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
It's working btw
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I think anyone who thinks he isn't think about his legacy
is just wrong. The fact Wade has a ring already and if they won together, Wade would always have that one extra. Lebron knows this and he knows what it will take to be the best. He wants to be the man at the end of the day. For the LBJ brand to be successful and for him to be the first billionaire basketball player, he needs to be the man.
It is about titles, but it is about legacy. ANd I highly doubt someone like LeBron, if he has that killer instinct like Jordan did, will allow his brand to be shared with someone else.
And to those that compare Jordan and Pippen to what Wade and LBJ would be, there was never a doubt that Jordan was the man. Pippen was great but Jordan was the man, no question. LBJ isn’t going to allow that to come into question, but if he does that he isn’t the best player ever and never can be. That is why Kobe wanted Shaq gone so bad and wanted to win alone to cement his legacy. So is LBJ on that level with MJ, Bird, Magic, Kobe or is he going to be with the second tier group of guys that you discuss in terms of “He won _ titles, but……”
Stephen A. Smith is a jackass and needs to just go away.
by niuhuskie224 on Jun 28, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
If LBJ plays with Wade
No one is going to question it. LBJ is leading that team. He’s so much better than Wade that it would never be an issue.
I think for other reasons, Miami is a no go, but I don’t think it has anything to do with how many rings Wade has, or fear of not “being the man.”
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
The difference between LeBron and Wade when Wade is operating on all cylinders is not really that great.
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by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree to disagree.
I know there is plenty of Wade love out there, so I won’t waste our time arguing.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
LeBron is clearly better, but Wade on his best days is totally unstoppable in ways very similar to LeBron.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
That is your opinion.. I won't try to persuade you otherwise.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Also, there was the Olympics, where Wade was the man.
Kobe was the one that made the team a killer, Wade was looking like the star. But, he was coming off the bench and LBJ wasn’t. I can see it both ways.
Just like players are stubborn that they are the "man"
they will be stubborn in thinking they can make a situation work. If it will or it won’t time will only tell.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Small sample size, different game, different competition
But again.. I’ll just let you believe that, it’s not worth arguing about.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not saying Wade is better.
I’m saying, we aren’t talking about Rose and Noah. We’re talking about Lebron and Wade. Both guys were in the TOP 3 of MVP voting a year or two ago. It’s close.
I'm saying I don't believe it is close
But I’m not going to waste our time trying to convince you otherwise. It’s just my opinion.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Wade's been discussed on here repeatedly
And if you want to go through and do the statistical analysis necessary to prove Wade is close to LeBron you can, but it wouldn’t sway me, so what’s the point? I’m pretty much set on the fact that LeBron is far and above better than Wade.
I’m not going to debate something when I know I can’t be convinced of the other person’s point of view. No reason to waste your time.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
opinions can be wrong :-p
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 28, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
That it can be
Which is why I wasn’t going to waste my time convincing someone of my view point that could easily be wrong.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
the question about whether LeBron or Wade would be viewed as
the ‘batman’ to the other’s robin, or whatever, is just as silly as worrying about the Jordan shadow.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 28, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
But could it be a question?
I think it has to be considered an issue. The Jordan shadow is ridiculous because of all the other teams that had stars and players keep going there.
This is legit because Wade has a ring.
by niuhuskie224 on Jun 28, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Does that mean
Any role player we sign with LeBron has to be a career loser? We aren’t allowed to add any guys with rings? I mean where does it stop?
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
It's not about being a career loser
but does Lebron want to not be “THE” man?
by niuhuskie224 on Jun 28, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Is there anyone out there
Who doesn’t think LeBron is better than Wade? Then he’s “the man.” That’s the thing about LeBron, no matter where he goes, he’ll be “the man” because he’s the best player in the game.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I do believe it
but I just know that when comparing the two at the end of the day, the number 1 thing is rings. And Wade will always have the edge by 1, but don’t discount the Wade looks unstoppable on some nights.
by niuhuskie224 on Jun 28, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Shaq or Kobe.
Pierce or Garnett.
Wade or Shaq.
Hypothetically – Lebron or Wade.
Players seem to care about this stuff. They always feel the need to say who’s team it is. And Miami has always been Wade’s team. Is he going to give that up?
Pierce or Garnett?
Wade or Shaq? They got along.
The only example you have is Kobe or Shaq that makes any sense for your argument.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure what you think my arguement is.
I’m just saying it isn’t a forgone conclusion that LBJ is “the man” on that team.
My argument is that it is a foregone conclusion.
And that you say these players care about it, but you’ve given a bunch of examples of guys putting their ego’s aside to play together to win a championship, so clearly it wasn’t that much of an issue.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Is it really?
The free agency game is all about ego. The league’s biggest stars trying to become bigger stars – either by winning, endorsements, global icon status or some combination of the three. The MJ shadow thing is overdone, because the past is the past. But could LBJ stomach sharing the spotlight?
I agree about the ego thing.
The shadow thing is overdone because then nobody would want to go to LA or Boston or anywhere that had great players. Does this mean nobody will ever go to Cleveland again or LA after Kobe retires? No. It is overdone.
by niuhuskie224 on Jun 28, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I really don't think it comes down to an ego thing, about who has to be "The Man."
I don’t doubt that James and Wade have superstar egos. It’s a more practical matter. Both players are better when they’re scoring the ball, and they score in similar ways. How can they complement each other, unless one is willing to scale back the scoring by about five or more points a night? And who knows? Maybe one of them would do that.
Still, Rose is the better fit. He has what it takes to be both a great standalone player and a great complementary player in the vein of Pippen. He doesn’t have to pour in 25 a night, but he can on some nights if the team needs it. And he doesn’t necessarily have to drop 10 dimes a night, either. His game is more malleable than Wade’s is at this point in their careers.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 28, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
But, what is Rose providing when he's not scoring? Unfortunately, at this point in his career, it's not much
Don’t get me wrong, I love watching Rose play and certainly want LeBron to come to the Bulls. Still, don’t oversell on what Rose brings to the team.
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
I disagree
All homerism aside, I think the two are entirely different. You’re talking about a situation where many people (stupid people) wouldn’t even consider Lebron the best player on his own team. It would definitelty effect his legacy to play on a team that stacked. If he doesn’t care about all that, then he should probably go there, because there’s no question that team would hurt people.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah , i think however many rings he wins (with Mia), they will be "discounted"
and this will effect him for the rest of his life. he’ll hear about it forever. he won’t be allowed in the exclusive MJ/Kobe club unless he wins something “on his own”. luckily, Rose isn’t a big enough star yet that winning in Chicago would be seen as LeBron leading the way. he’ll never have to hear “you couldn’t do it without D Wade”. i think this probably matters to him.
i think its a far more legit issue
by Basketball Smurf on Jun 28, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think they're either both issues, or they're not
I read that all LeBron should care about is titles. Well then going to Miami with Wade would be quite desirable.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 28, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Holy shit, did anyone listen to Stephen Bardo on First Tak
He said the Bulls finally are interesting with Rose in the bulilding, why would they “ruin” it by bringing in Lebron James. He thinks Lebron would ruin Rose’s career. I can’t listen to this shit anymore. Are these people from Mars?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
I can understand the fear of LeBron
hogging the ball and Rose not getting enough touches to keep learning. I don’t think that’s going to happen though. But you have to admit that nobody has figured out Rose’s ceiling yet, and imagining what Rose could become is pretty tantalizing in and of itself.
Bosh or Bust
by JockstrapNoah on Jun 28, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Lebron can hog the ball
because he is the best player on the floor. Rose will get his just like every other great player has before.
by niuhuskie224 on Jun 28, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think LeBron dominating the ball.
Is a great plan for winning (see Cavs 2010) but he probably realizes that, so I don’t think it will be a concern. If he’s coming to Chicago because of Derrick Rose he’ll likely trust Rose to make awesome decisions with the ball.
That being said, I wouldn’t mind watching a Rose dominated team. I still think he’s going to improve tons over the next couple of seasons. I think he’ll improve regardless of LeBron coming here or not.
Bosh or Bust
by JockstrapNoah on Jun 28, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
The problem is James hogging the ball.
He clearly gets other guys involved. The problem was who is “other guys” were (see Cavs 2010 vs. Bulls 2011).
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
He trys to gets the other guys involved
but there were stretches in the playoffs when it was ‘give it to LeBron and get out of the way’. It happened in the Chicago series and in the Boston series. I don’t think thats going to work as a way to win the championship, but in Chicago we’d have Thibs (better coach than Brown) and at the very least Rose (way way better than Mo Williams) so I don’t think Chicago would resort to ‘give it to LeBron and get out of the way’.
Bosh or Bust
by JockstrapNoah on Jun 28, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Isn't that what every team needs?
When you can’t get anything at all from anyone, you have the lone single guy that you can just give it to to get points?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
It didn't work for Cleveland
and it wouldn’t work for Chicago.
Every team needs that, but it can’t happen every game. Jordan didn’t score 40 every playoff game. Kobe doesn’t score 40 every game.
Teams need a player that can score on his own when everything else is defended, not as a team offensive strategy. LeBron wouldn’t need to dominate the ball in Chicago regardless, Rose can score at will too.
Bosh or Bust
by JockstrapNoah on Jun 28, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
James didn't score 40 every game either, did he?
bah
::head → desk::
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 28, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
was that his doing?
or was “give it to LeBron, etc” Brown’s go-to play?
my only worry with DRose being the man at the end of the day
is you have to go back 22 years to find a team that was led by a point guard. History says you can’t win when your point is the best player on the floor.
by niuhuskie224 on Jun 28, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
isiah thomas name ring a bell... i think he won a few
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 28, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
22 years ago doofus
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 28, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Your math is off, it's been 23 years since Magic won his last title
Also, what about 2004 Pistons? Chauncey Billups has as much claim as being the best player on that team as does Thomas on the Bad Boy Pistons.
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
Duh, my mistake and what I get for being a smart ass, Magic's last title was in 88
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
Ok so in 25 years,
We have maybe 4 teams. 15% win with the best player at point.
And that is including Magic who isn’t a small PG. He was a little different. Special if you must.
by niuhuskie224 on Jun 28, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Nobody had successfully built a championship team around a SG until MJ so what's your point?
When you have one of the best players in the league, you build around him and don’t worry about his position. That said, I don’t think Rose is one of those players to build a championship team around, but that has to do with his production level and not his position.
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
Right. You could build a championship team around Chris Paul.
Shit, in fact, a previous Bulls incarnation of Gordon, Deng, Thomas and Noah would have been something deadly.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Paul, Thomas, and Noah would have also had some fun biblical name jokes.
Headline writers would rejoice.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rondo would've been the best player
on the Celtics title team this year, and they had the lead in the 4th quarter of game 7. It’s not like there’s some basketball god that forced the Celtics to blow the lead because Rondo was their best player. They came close, a mix of things happened that had nothing to do with who was what team’s best player (Kobe wasn’t the Lakers’ #1 or #2 best player in game 7) and the Lakers were named the champions.
That team has been discussed at length here
He was surrounded by talented players, multiple allstars, and they still only won one championship, and they went through a watered down Eastern conference to get there.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know if a Rose dominated team
would win a championship, but I like watching him play, so I have been and would watch him play. There’s no question though that with LeBron on the team they are immediate title contenders and would be expected to win a championship.
Bosh or Bust
by JockstrapNoah on Jun 28, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Watching a PG dominated team is not fun
Look at the list of champions the last 20 years.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
This doesn't make much sense
if anything it would hurt wade’s career numbers more if he play in mia
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 28, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Woj (the only guy I really trust reporting on the NBA's big stories) has Dallas pursuing Joe Johnson via S&T:
The Mavericks are unlikely to engage the Cleveland Cavaliers into a sign-and-trade for LeBron James(notes), but Johnson has emerged as a realistic target for the Mavericks. Johnson, is more likely to embrace a sign-and-trade to the contending Mavs than sign a free-agent contract with New York or Chicago, sources said.
The Knicks really could get shut out. Wow. Also, thank God it looks like the Bulls won’t be the fools overpaying Joe Johnson.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 10:52 AM CDT reply actions
Houston also mentioned
As Joe Johnson S/T partner. (via PeachtreeHoops)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 28, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
The Knicks plan B is falling apart.
I hope the Bulls don’t need to fall back to a plan B, because we’ll be similarly boned.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Probably not..
If you’re a guy like Boozer or Johnson, playing with Derrick and Noah is great for your game. David Lee would probably be very interested in playing with them too. That’s the thing about this year. I guess it could go to complete shit, but there’s a very small chance that we don’t get at least one if not two very good players to go with our elite PG and good young center.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Getting David Lee and only David Lee is not a successful offseason.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Obviously..
But with our caproom, that isn’t going to be just David Lee. Could be David Lee and then a trade for someone, or David Lee and Rudy Gay, or whatever. It won’t be just Lee though.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
David Lee and Rudy Gay would be really, really underwhelming. Especially since Rudy Gay is overrated as all hell.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
True, I just threw a name out there
The point was Lee wouldn’t be the only player we pick up, I have no idea who is available through trade, or which contracts people are trying to get rid of.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I’m not sure how much better an overall player Rudy Gay is compared to Luol Deng. I don’t know that he’s any better, and he’ll be just as expensive if not more so.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 28, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
He's worse than Deng and he'll be paid more (just a market reality).
People that bitch about Deng’s contract will be crying far louder about a maxed out Rudy Gay.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
please let Dallas and NYK get in a bidding war.
Could Beaubois be on the block then?
hah!
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that makes no sense....
why would he not embrace a S & T to chicago we are a contending team too
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 28, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
These rumors/news are just making me more worried
I am just praying that we get anyone at this point. Is it bad that i am going to be a little disappointed if we doing get joe johnson. I, personally, think he is one of the best fits for this bulls team with Rose and Thibedeau.
plus, where are the stories of when/where the Bulls are going to meet with free agents
things seem fishy
other than bosh at 12:01.
I still think the bulls should FIRST go after bosh and joe johnson…then if lebron wants to come here you change your plans.
No way
you go all in for Lebron right now. You have to if you are an elite franchise you go for the elite players and make the power play.
by niuhuskie224 on Jun 28, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
It is bad that you think Johnson is the one of the best fits.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Is it worse that I think Noce is?
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Jun 28, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Not at all..
We could use a good assistant coach who can speak Spanish, will help us in the future with international prospects.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, can't Lindsey Hunter just get Rosetta Stone?
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Jun 28, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Luol Deng is that bad?
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I'm ok with JJ
And I’m a Deng fan. But i don’t like deng at 2
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 28, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
What difference does it make who is designated as the "2"?
What do you really want to see from a wing player next to Rose and James? Well, I want someone who’s a good defender, spot up shooter especially from 3, and is good at scoring from off ball plays. Those are exactly the things Deng supplies short the 3 point shooting. The 3 point shooting is likely to be there from him as he’s already shot at a high percentage, just not in a high quantity yet.
On the offensive end, it’s not really going to matter, LeBron’s going to do his thing no matter who’s on the floor with him. The largest detriment is that Deng would have some problems guarding the quicker SGs in the NBA. People seem to forget the team would be running into the exact same problem with Joe Johnson. Bringing in a SG to be a wing stopper would likely create similar problems as James would then have to guard SFs that the SG can’t handle physically.
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by snley on Jun 28, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
He's only a decent option to me if we get LeBron
Any other scenario of him playing SG would be a nightmare.
This is what scares me about Joe Johnson signing somewhere else early.
It’s not that he’s my first option. It’s just that if LeBron doesn’t come, he’s the most logical answer
no, he's really not.
SG isn’t more important than any other position. Joe Johnson is the 7th best free agent on the market. He should be treated as such.
I don’t care how much better than “nobody” Taj Gibson is. PF is as much a need as SG. Going out with Joe Johnson and Gibson starting and no PF is just as bad as going out with no SG and Bosh starting with Gibson backing him up.
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I think you misunderstood me
I’m basing all this on the fact that we get Bosh or any other good PF.
After that, if JJ isn’t available, I’m worried
oh, i did misunderstand you
but still i’d go cheap
overpay a little for someone younger, cheaper. Redick, Morrow, whatever.
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Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 28, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah but then trading Hinrich for a bunch of rotational players takes the fun out of trading Hinrich
No it doesn't.
I loved Kirk, but his contract was terrible. If we can change him into decent contracts, then that is a win.
You thought his contract was terrible
Wait till you see what happens if they strike out on LeBron, Wade, Bosh, JJ and Amare
David Lee at 12 million
Is a much better contract than Ben Gordon or Kirk Hinrich at what they make. So I will celebrate not having those over paid players on the team while I still a solid young core.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Question
If it came down to Lebron + JJ or Lebron + Boozer, who would you take? Assume equal $.
Brad Miller is god.
i actually was thinking about this while playing 2k10
I would say you pick joe johnson
Even if his abilities decline he should still be able to shoot the ball, he is a good defender on the peremeter, and makes for a very tall team (and if phil jackson likes tall teams, so do i) plus he doesnt have the same injury history as carlos boozer.
Even if you take account that maybe boozer is the better player, his injury history scares the hell out of me, whats the point of having boozer if he gets injured for months at a time every other year? Joe Johnson has remained healthy throughout his career and fits a few needs…rose lebron and joe johnson can all also handle the ball, it would make it hard for oppositions to double team or create traps….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
i didnt get the answer from 2k10
i was thinking about it while playing 2k10 (in the association i had nabbed lebron and bosh signed with the suns, go figure, and amare signed with the nets…makes sense….so it was either joe johnson or boozer both accepted my offer but i could only sign one, and so i got to thinking which would be the best real life decision)
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
wait till 2k11 comes out
BWAHAHAHA
;p
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I'd sign Michael Jordan.
or can that not happen until 2k11?
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neither?
I’d get Redick and Tyrus Thomas. Really, I would.
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hell's yeah!
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
Obviously won't happen
More realistically the alternative to JJ/Boozer would be something like Mike Miller + Jermaine O’Neal + Channing Frye. I’d certainly be okay with that, and I think that’d make us a better team next year, but long-term, you can get guys like that via the MLE and BAE in addition to JJ/Boozer.
Brad Miller is god.
At least you can count on JJ for a couple years
Boozer is a career threatening injury waiting to happen, and his defense rates out so bad I’m not sure he’s even good.
Well, he's not a shooting guard.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
ok
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I sort of think that LeBron could actually end up playing the PG role in an offense with Rose running around
off screens and getting easy dunks and layups (which he is really freaking excellent and underrated at doing).
That would allow Deng to remain in his SF role.
Rose and LeBron could actually just take turns running the point, as both are pretty monstrous moving without the ball.
I’m convinced. We don’t need to move Deng even if LeBron comes.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Interesting, that'
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Fuck, cut myself off
Was gonna say that that’s exactly how I see it going as well. Derrick is so underrated in terms of how he moves without the ball and can shoot . I mid range. If were the Bulls, when making my pitch, I would put together a video showing Lebron all highlights of Derrick doing these things, because I’m not sure players realize just how good he is at it.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Although I'm not so sure I agree about the Deng part
He really needs to make the three HIS shot, for that to work well. We need some shooters in the lineup. Plus I question whether Lebron would be willing to guard the 2 spot every day, although isuppose it could be a group effort
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, in his introductory press-conference Thibs mentioned encouraging Lu to take the corner
three specifically and identified it as a good shot for him.
If Lu can get more of those shots (and in an offense with LeBron and Rose and maybe Bosh or Lee this should be no problem at all), then he should make lots of them. He has just never taken them in that high of volume. I think Thibs will be telling him to, which no coach has seemingly ever done.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would think Deng would be relied upon to guard whichever wing would be expected to force the most effort on D.
Teams who try to create match up advantages by going small in the backcourt are likely to lose whatever they gain in doing so on the defensive end.
That’s what I love the most about this potential Rose-James-Deng-Bosh-Noah squad, the match up problems they’ll create for other teams almost no matter if they try to go big or small. We’ve seen how important match ups are in the NBA in the playoffs the last couple seasons. If Rose improves defensively and Noah adds enough strength this summer, this could be a team that has a counter for every likely match up issue without having to stray from its starting line up.
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by snley on Jun 28, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, on that team, you'd really only lack four or five things on O.
1) Proven high-volume 3-pt shooting
2) Ability to create off the dribble by Deng
3) Bulk in the C
4) Consistent post offense in the C
5) Consistent jump shot in the C
2) will never happen at this point. 5) likely won’t fully happen. 3) might take away some of Noah’s other strengths but who knows
No reason that 1) and 4) can’t happen in this off-season.
Then, really, what else is there?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
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by tyger1147 on Jun 28, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Similar to the Lakers really
If you take out 3 and 4 (though Bynum is injured so often consistent might be a stretch).
And with as dominant a line up as it would be otherwise, I think you can shore up #1 just fine with one or two smart bench signings.
I agree.
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Derrick, off-the-ball, is basically a mini-LeBron. He moves so well without the ball and always manages
to sneak open and because he’s so athletic if he even gets a hint of an opening, it’s a dunk. Brad and Noah found Derrick for alley oops and back-door dunks multiple times as a result of this action.
It’s a damned shame that Vinny wasn’t better able to utilize this aspect of Derrick’s game, and he was so often just standing in the corner doing nothing. He needs to be a perpetual motion machine out there, because if he is, he’s unstoppable.
All of the same applies to LeBron.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
i dont have enough recs for this.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
Yep.
Especially if you get a PF. Two guys down low. Three guys out wide. Two ball-handlers, distributors, penetrators, two running around off screen guys. a low-post guy. Three or four excellent rebounders. One, maybe two good, long-distance shooters. Excellent to great defenders.
I dunno. Positions don’t seem to matter to me in that regard.
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by tyger1147 on Jun 28, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm with you. Rose, LeBron, Deng, Bosh, Noah dominates. Three point shooting be damned.
Spacing, ball movement, and “man movement” (as Marc Jackson would say) are what’s needed.
Distance shooting helps with spacing, but it’s not strictly necessary, as the Lakers proved.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Steve Kerr isn't working, and Pax still has fire
If we need 3-point shooting, suit those guys up to come off the bench and just stand behind the arc and let them do what they do best. :-P Maybe Rose can convince B.J. Armstrong to join the crew.
Is Craig Hodges still alive?
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jun 28, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Deng would work fine with LeBron and Rose
But if a big time outside shooter who can play defense is available, I’d move Deng for him, just because I think that’d be an even better fit. I don’t think anyone would be concerned that Deng wouldn’t be able to share the court with him, I just think there are better options.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
The notion that the Bulls absolutely need a "big time outside shooter" is a bit overblown.
What they need is spacing. The Lakers starting 5 had no big time outside shooters (even Kobe is a 34% 3P shooter lifetime and was 32.9% last year. Really? Yes, really.) but they spaced the floor with the triangle, made the right pass and got lots of easy looks. Plus, they played excellent defense with superior length.
The hypothetical Bulls team with Rose, LeBron, Deng, Bosh, and Noah would be extremely long and with Thibs and Ron Adams on the case, their schemes would no doubt be among the soundest in the league. That team would dominate. Three point shooters or not.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I agreed that it wasn't necessary.
I just think ideally, I’d rather have that SG who can hit the three, and play defense b/c it’d be a slightly better fit.
I said myself, the Bulls could easily win with Deng instead though.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
You can get away with having one or two shooters come off the bench,
Horry and Kerr types. Again, the question I’d be asking myself if I had to fill out a roster that already had Noah, Bosh, LBJ and Rose is how would the Spurs do it?
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 28, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right, you did agree that we could win with Deng and you're also correct that
a 3 point shooter who defends like Deng would be a better fit. My response was more to the general point that I’ve heard made a lot that the Bulls MUST have three point shooters. They don’t. It would help, but getting open looks at the basket is even more desirable.
I also don’t know that there’s anyone out there that defends as well as Deng and hits the three point shot better than him that would be available. In the last three years, Deng has shot 125 threes and made 48 of them. Good for a very respectable 38.4%. Deng can make the three at an acceptable rate. He just needs to take more of them.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Deng’s high-volume 3-pt shooting is unproven. I don’t think it’s absolutely not going to happen, though.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
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I think he's proven he can make the shot. Now he just has to be harped on to take the shot
and not take a step inside the line. I have faith that Thibs understands this. Especially because he identified it in his introductory press conference.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Make it yes. "high-volume" is my point.
When you only take two every three games, you can definitely hold out for the only times you’re wide open.
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I suspect Lu will be wide open much more frequently if LeBron and Bosh are aboard.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree.
I think he’d be excellent. I’m just saying, that I don’t think he’s “proven” that he can hit a high-rate of 3’s at a relatively high volume. I think he can, though.
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did you guys notice lu was taking a semi-set shot from out front of the arc at the end?
i saw him varying from his normal, top of jump release, using more leg and less vert.
it looked good, but as stated, still few attempts.
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and that's all really needs to do
not jumping helps keep you more consistent. Sam Perkins and Cliff Robinson and Robert Horry all agree with me. Deng’s got the height/length to get a shot off most of the time without jumping as high as he can.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Well, Joe Johnson isn't that player you're looking for.
Ray Allen is getting older. Rudy Fernandez is unproven, in my book. Morrow and Redick aren’t great defenders and can’t do too much more than shoot (although Redick is supposedly getting better).
I mean, who else is there.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Exactly. Redick's probably the best option, but the Magic likely don't want to let him go and I
don’t think he’s worth losing Deng over.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LBJ + Redick + Thomas, keeping Deng?
Hmmm….
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Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Yeah, that's better than wasting money on Joe Johnson.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
thats what i mean
he and ray allen (who is ancient) are the only big name SGs in free agency..whereas for PF you habe bosh, amare, boozer, david lee
I think
We would trade Luol for a SG with a similar contract, no? If we signed LeBron
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
whatever.
you need this, and we need you as the mascot.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 28, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Hey we in this together!
Don’t go bailing now. You’re crazy like the rest of us.
by Dils on Jun 28, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
on for the 1st time today to check on updates.
not liking what I hear about bron and bosh going to mia
that woul just be terrible
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 28, 2010 11:01 AM CDT reply actions
Grain of salt
It’s Stephen A. He said LBJ would land in NYC a week ago, he’ll probably change his mind 2-3 more times before any actual news breaks. Just look at his twitter. He comes off as a defensive, over-active, under-sourced nut job dying to remain relevant during the NBA’s busiest offseason ever.
by pooriejay on Jun 28, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I hate Stephen A. Smith, so that just makes me want him to be wrong even more.
When has he ever been right about anything breaking, anyway?
by jsl413 on Jun 28, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
no more plus, are you will get a warning
watch out lol
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 28, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Use the rec button
Don’t just reply with +1 or “rec.”
Go green – it’s good for the environment.
by wjb1492 on Jun 28, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
so ure still in sub mode huh?
:)
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I tell you one thing...I have not listened to all these rumors,
read all these articles, and dreamed about the Bulls roster to let Stephen A Smith come in at the last minute and blow my high. Look this is all we need to know now: The Bulls org. has done their part to make this happen. Take comfort in that and take this latest news by Smith with a grain of salt. it would make getting Lebron that much sweeter.
If Lebron goes to Miami, then all the Bulls can do is equip their team in the best possible way to compete. True it will be a tough pill to swallow if he goes to play with Wade but if Lebron chooses Miami over Chicago we have to realize that we weren’t going to get him anyway. There’s nothing Bulls management can do if the guy wants to go play with 2 other All-stars and a bunch of D-leaugers. We have a young core and we can compete, that’s all we can do.
by Dils on Jun 28, 2010 11:10 AM CDT reply actions 6 recs
Wow well said
I fully agree. Bulls management has done what is necessary to set up themselves in the right way. Furthermore, if the Bulls ended up with a David Lee, Rudy Gay summer, the Bulls could still compete. Nobody has any clue how great Rose could be. Noah is still improving. Could they end up being the next ATL Hawks? Sure. Could Rose become a perennial all star and Noah keep getting better and the Bulls end up winning a championship or two? Also yes. We don’t really know. I applaud management for having a plan and sticking to it.
My favorite thing about all of this
is that the Bulls are actually in this and not just for show. In 2000, (TMac, Duncan and GHill) you knew it wasn’t going to end well.
This, I don’t know how it is going to end and that makes this exciting.
One thing to keep in mind with the JJ rumors
Two weeks ago everyone said he was going to go to the Bulls. Then it slipped the Bulls thought they could get him for 4/60. Now all of a sudden JJ wants to play for everyone. So either
- JJ still wants to go to the Bulls and is trying to drive his price up by leaking he’ll play elsewhere, or
- JJ was pissed that the Bulls only want to offer 4/60 and would rather take more money even if it’s worse team
High speculation, for sure, but that’s what makes it fun.
Let's hope some team like the Mavs does a S&T for Johnson
So we can concentrate on figuring out a way to clear Deng’s salary and sign LeBosh.
Yeah, he's pushing the line the Reinsdorf will need to pledge ...
… to pay up in the future to keep the Bulls contenders, that they need to “close the deal.” What that suggests to me is that it’s all going to come down to the Bulls’ pitch.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 28, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the Bulls are in if the pitch goes well.
Kobe came away impressed in 2004…let’s hope this time, it’s enough to seal the deal.
Any idea what day the Bulls get to sit down with LeBron?
I imagine he isn’t fitting in everything team on Thursday. I believe the Knicks and Nets are first.
So what do the Cavs have right now?
Kidd – Barea – Dominique Jones (woot!)
Butler – Terry – Beaubois – Stevenson
Marion – Butler – Carroll
Nowitski – Marion – Najera
Dampier
They shouldn’t go after Joe Johnson. They have plenty of guards and consolidating them into Joe Johnson isn’t a huge improvement. Beaubois is just fine there. They should try to get David Lee. They need front court depth.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
d'oh, cavs = mavs
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Knowing Cuban
he will find away to come away with something. I can’t imagine the huge 2010 free agency bonanza without the Mavs finding a way to squeeze their heads in with a sign and trade of some kind.
They don't have cap space, who would they give the Knocks for David Lee that the Knicks would actually want?
Plus David Lee and Dirk in the same front court is the worst idea I’ve ever heard
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Dampier's non-gauranteed contract will be the most attractive asset this offseason once the big FAs are done signing
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
Yea, but that contrract doesn't help the Knicks at all
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe if they agreed to take Eddy Curry back with David Lee for Damp's expiring?
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Why would Dallas trade
for David Lee, when Dirk is coming back.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jun 28, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I haven't any idea WHY they would do it. Just pointing out if they did HOW they could do it.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Wouldn't they be taking back way more than they were giving up?
And they’re already way over the cap…
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
They could always trade Dampier somewhere else later
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
I know Hayward is a FA
But I think I’ve read they’re pretty intent on resigning him.
Skip Bayless and Stephen Pardo...
are retards. Bayless says going to Chicago would be Lebron’s biggest mistake ever. Pardo says that Lebron would kill Rose’s career and the progress of the franchise. Can you imagine in the summer of 1990 someone saying that Jordan would kill a player’s future and franchise? Easily the most absurd statements of the week.
I assume he means Stephen Bardo
former UofI ‘legend’ and broadcaster…some places. I think Big Ten Network, and a local radio show.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 28, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Stephen A. Pargo
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jun 28, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Jordan completely ruined Pippens career
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
by blackoutsox on Jun 28, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
The NY shills are really out in full force. It's amazing
to see these people scramble to shape the discourse.
So how that would ruining Rose's career is bad for LeBron?
Even if they fail to play well together – something i don’t believe – the bulls could change the roster by trading one of it’s awesome players for another awesome player that fits better
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 28, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
No surprise here
Bosh Officially Declines Player Option
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 28, 2010 11:30 AM CDT reply actions
Just in Broussard does not like milk
BUT says tomorrow that might change. Stay tuned…
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jun 28, 2010 11:34 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
That's it. I've decided we all need to review this
http://deadspin.com/5572221/deadspin-classic-heckling-stephen-a-without-mercy
Honestly, Stephen A f-ing Smith is making us nervous, seriously?
No one is making me nervous.
Best roster. Best coaching hire. 2nd best cap space. Best legacy. I’m feeling very confident right now as we all should. It’s just annoying to hear absurd statments by people who making a living on their ‘expert’ opinions.
Worst case scenario preparation in full effect
The closer this gets, the more I remember the Bulls’ past failures
Now I feel like it’s Boozer, Morrow and some bench fillers
This team has mastered the art of getting your hopes up
Yahoo blog on Lebron playing for 6 times.
An enjoyable read. Particularly knocks down Stephen A Smith, which makes me happy.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
ha! i knew that, you bitch
OK, great. LeBron James will be a Chicago Bull next season. Plus he’s bringing along his buddy Chris Bosh. I am happy about that, even if it means my favorite player signs with my least favorite team.
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 28, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
if you click the link
he’s referencing that it’ll mean Brad Miller (his favorite player – he cracks jokes about it constantly) plays with his least favorite team (Boston Celtics.)
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
by dantheman3k on Jun 28, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
lol
He’d take Rondo’s head off first chance he got
That'd be AWESOME if Miller signs with them JUST to beat Rondo up for an entire season
fast forward to the first day of training camp
“I was just going for the ball man”
LeBron will come because he grew up a Bull. He likes the Bulls
that’s all
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 28, 2010 11:49 AM CDT reply actions
His Matador says the same
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Nice article by Stein on ownership and what it could mean to LeBron
Maybe none of that will matter in the end, because the Bulls are otherwise set up so well. It’s also true that Wesley has maintained a good working relationship with Reinsdorf for years and is believed to be lobbying hardest for the Bulls, which is where much of LeBron-and-Bosh-to-Chicago chatter originates. Yet you still hear well-connected folks around the league asking — louder than the many questions Jordan’s longtime agent David Falk has raised about James going to the Bulls in recent interviews with Sports Illustrated and CBS Sports — whether LeBron is indeed prepared to commit to Reinsdorf.
All Jerry has to do to dispel that is promise Lebron that he will pay to keep all these players locked up
Something I’m sure he knew he would have to promise. Lebron isn’t going to go there if he thinks the Bulls are gonna let Noah and Rose walk. Then all he’s asking is if Jerry will pay a guy the mid-level in certain years when they feel they need to add a guy to get over the hump (if there sill is a mid level in a couple years)
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
From the RealGM report above
This does scare me
Looking at Chicago’s 12-13 payroll, they should have approximately $80M in committed contracts in just five players (LeBron, second max, Deng ($13.5M), second year of Noah’s extension, first year of Rose’s extension. Including the MLE in 2011 and 2012, plus the veteran minimums and rookie contracts, the team then would have a payroll of $100M in a new NBA where players get a smaller cut and payrolls are typically under $60M.
So?
If Miami signed LeBron, Bosh, and Wade they would have over $60M committed to just 3 players in 2012-13.
He is a very smart businessman though.
Love him or hate him, he’s obviously good at making money. This is a situation where spending more to make more, makes more sense than saving money.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Idk, financially Jerry would be dumb not to make this move
As the economy worsens, people are not gonna be throwing money around to watch mediocrity like they did in the past. Plus, with the revival of the Blackhawks, they have some serious competition for people’s money for the first time in a while. A team like the one he could put together would make the Bulls THE ticket in town again, they would be rock stars. It would be stupid for him not to commit.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
I think Jerry understands the threat of the Hawks to the Chicago pecking order.
Not to mention, the Hawks are set up to compete for a long time with that young nucleus. A nice Bulls squad won’t be forgotten about, but it will lose out to the Hawks. With LeBron, advantage Bulls.
Wait, so you're saying the economy's getting worse?
I need inside info, please.
by Bin Bin on Jun 28, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jerry is on record saying he has no problem with the luxury tax
IF his team contending for or winning championships. And I don’t doubt that at all. I mean, the guy is blowing like $120M on a pretty mediocre baseball team every year…he will pony up for the Bulls if the team is elite.
It all comes down to Jerry. And it should be on him.
What LeBron is looking for is that commitment to “pay the tax” for intelligent expenditures that Jerry’s alluded to. The Bulls already have incredible attendance numbers, but can you imagine the revenue haul from LBJ on the team, all the new Bulls fans that would spring up across the country, especially if this team wins several titles? It’s a no-brainer for Jerry.
Like Quint says in “Jaws”: “If you want to stay alive, then ante up. If you want to play it cheap, be on welfare the whole winter.”
If Jerry doesn’t ante up now, it could be a very, very long winter for the Bulls.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 28, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Given how many players his team has shuffled out the door
to get him to this opportunity, I just don’t see any logic to Jerry not 100% committing to paying out the nose to continue to be an elite franchise. It’s nonsensical to consider even the possibility he wouldn’t make that promise to Bron.
Henry Abbott follows up with a ranking of coaches
7. Jerry Reinsdorf — Chicago Bulls
He is a very skilled owner, who handles the business of the operation in a savvy way and played a leadership role in building the greatest dynasty of modern basketball. There are certain demerits in his record, however. For one, he is seen as something of a deliberate, and slightly cheap, employer of coaches. The team could have had Mike D’Antoni, for instance, two summers ago, but dithered, lost him, and had to settle for the Vinny Del Negro experiment instead. His front office has had a series of missteps, culminating in an embarrassing physical confrontation between GM and coach. Also, Dwyane Wade has needled the organization for the poor relations between the team and departed stars. Although Reinsdorf’s organization has maintained long-term relationships with some former player — Pete Myers has essentially been a Bull for life — it’s criticism that stings.
On the other hand, James is advised by William Wesley, and Wesley has had a strong relationship with Reinsdorf for decades.
Here’s some irony: A lot of Reinsdorf’s credibility, as an owner, comes from the afterglow of Michael Jordan’s time in Chicago. Meanwhile, Michael Jordan himself gets no such credibility as an owner in Charlotte.
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
Why is not getting D'Antoni a demerit?
It looks like a pretty decent move now. Even if he had signed Phil, the players weren’t good enough to do anything more than scrape out a first or second round exit. Meanwhile, D’Antoni hasn’t done shit for the Knicks and the Bulls paid a low level coach to hold down the fort while Rose and Noah improved, which they did in a big way. Now we have a guy that appears to be a legit coach and a chance to assemble a dynasty for the ages.
It's about the perception that not getting D'Antoni contributed to
D’Antoni walked away without getting an offer from the Bulls, but even Abbott here reports it as the Bulls low balling him. Just another “example” of JR’s cheapness
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
What I'm saying is that it's not really a sign of cheapness, just good business.
PHO didn’t skip a beat with Alvin Gentry, in fact they got better. The benefit of D’Antoni over VDN wasn’t even close to being worth the amount of money D’Antoni was getting. With the hindsight we have now, why is Abbott still bitching about Jerry’s cheapness costing him D’Antoni.? It was a good move.
Just because the results are good or equal, doesn't mean the process was.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
What was wrong with the process?
That he was deliberate in deciding whether he should fork over 24 million to D’Antoni? He took his time, and with the advantage of hindsight we have now we should be able to look at his process and realize it likely had nothing to do with cheapness. What I’m saying is that what we thought back then shouldn’t still hold now, and we can re-judge the process all over again.
Signing Vinny was what was wrong with the process.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
But that's not people were complaining about back then.
We’re talking about how he “screwed up” with D’Antoni. And for as much as we rag on Vinny, he always got his players to play their hardest for him, and we took that for granted. He wasn’t a very good coach, but I don’t think many coaches would have got more out of the players he was given.
No one would have comlained about D'Antoni
If we had hired a good coach after D’Antoni went somewhere else. D’Antoni became such a rallying cry because the option we did choose was so god damn awful.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
no, Vinny sucked.
these players would’ve played hard for anyone.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 28, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And they didn't play hard all the time, anyway.
Umm… 35 point comeback?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Is that a fact?
They quit on Skiles, why wouldn’t they quit on Vinny?
push
they quit on each at the same time
by NormVanBeer on Jun 28, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Again, it's not about the result but about the perceived process
It feeds into the idea that JR is cheap, hurts the org by taking his time to make decisions, and is overly involved key decisions. Even if D’Anotoni is a sham built upon the splendor of Steve Nash (not saying he is, just for the sake of argument), it doesn’t matter because he’s perceived as a “name” coach and therefore someone whom the Bulls should have hired on the spot.
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
But the preception can change now, can't it?
I agree the perception back then was his cheapness got in the way, but we can change our minds, no?
The perception can change and, hopefully, when LeBron sits down with JR it will
However, until then, that is the perception no matter how right or wrong you see it being and it could be what costs the Bulls a chance at coming out the clear winners over the next couple weeks
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
of course, hiring a shitty coach was strategy all along!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 28, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's not what I'm saying at all.
But is it worth it to give D’Antoni 24 million over 4 years to coach a team that clearly was not good enough to do damage in the playoffs. I’m not debating that Vinny is a good coach, but do you think D’Antoni takes us out of the first round either year? I don’t, so paying extra money for the same result is stupid.
could've raised the value of our players
and yes, could’ve done damage. And Rose doesn’t waste two years without higher caliber coaching.
And it’s not our money, and isn’t cap related, so who gives a fuck.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 28, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
We'll we're trying to read Jerry, and it's his money,
so that’s why I brought it up. All of this FA talk is about getting into their heads and trying to figure out their thinking, so of course we care about what all of the players in FA think, Jerry included.
Is there more than one guy on the planet with
as much financial incentive to poo-poo Chicago so that the Jordan legacy here isn’t hindered or up-ended in any way, than David Falk?
Talk about total lack of credibility and watching out for himself. If anyone is listening to David Falk, they’re intentionally trying to be stupid.
by Bin Bin on Jun 28, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can’t decide who is more of a genius out of Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless. Skip’s twitter:
RealSkipBayless
LeBron is a better DRose. Much better pt guard, better scorer, 6 ins. taller. If LBJ, Bosh go to Bulls, DRose shld be traded for 3rd star. 9 minutes ago via web
If this guy was running the Bulls in the 80s he’d have been like “Well Jordan is a better Pippen, so we should trade him for another star”.
If MJ and Scottie were able to play together and achieve the success they achieved. Rose and Lebron will be able too. I don’t understand why people seem to think because Lebron handles the ball a lot his starting guards have to be nothing but jump shooters or the team will collapse. Well MJ needed the ball a lot too and his number 2 wasn’t an elite outside shooter (even shooting as badly as 20% from 3 in 91-92 and 24% in 92-93)
I hereby request that yFBB do a daily "Dumbest Rumor of the Day",
nominating the three stoopidest things said or written by some NBA pundit. As of right now, Skip is wayyyyyy out front.
And another reason this defies all logic. The biggest advantage the bulls have is their roster. That’s apparently the reason Lebron wants to go there, so what does Skip suggest they do? Trade away the best player from that roster that is attracting Lebron. I can’t believe he gets paid to talk about Basketball with opinions like that.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 28, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Pippen was taller
we should have traded Jordan when he came in.
eh
Maybe he is right. But we can trade Rose if it ever comes to that. First things first, we sign Bron than see how the team looks on the floor.
Why trade Derrick for a third star when he's good enough to be that third star,
or maybe even the second? Is he insinuating that Lebron should play the PG and we should keep Luol to play the 3?
That's shouldn't be a maybe.
He definitely appears like he can be the second cog on a championship team.
Right now
Rose is good enough to be the second best player on a championship team. The awesome thing is he has the potential to be the best player on a championship team. If Rose can max out his upside alongside a few stars, who knows how good we could be.
"You know what Neil, stop being such a sourpuss." - Stacey King
Mj help made pippen
Its not like he was a great player from the get go. MJ taught him some of his moves
by T.Moore on Jun 28, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know if MJ made Pippen
but Kwame is a really poor counterargument. That guy was unredeemable. Would you argue that Jaime Escalante was a poor teacher because 1 or 2 of his students still flunked calculus?
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Kwame
never could play, he told Mike he didn’t need to hit the weights, he was was country strong, no work ethic
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jun 28, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I just gotta say this
FUCK THIS!
Over the last 3 days, all I get is txt’s from random soon-to-be bandwagon-eers screaming how Bron is coming. I don’t believe it till I see it. And Im sick of it. Now I kno why Souleater runs of bridges and shyt
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
This is all driving me crazy
The last thing I think about before I go to sleep is LeBron to the Bulls. The first thing I think about when I wake up is LeBron to the Bulls. I spend an insane amount of time each day looking for more media (i.e. rumors) to consume.
July 1 and July 8 can’t get here soon enough.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
by Jivas on Jun 28, 2010 12:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
If Reinsdorf is any sales pitch at all he can squash Miami
-Miami is not a world class city like Chicago, How many billionaires made their start from Miami that are not drug dealers
-Their fan base is not nearly as passionate as Chicago
-You really want to tick off both Chicago and NY? LeBron might become more hated than loved.
-Chicago offers true business opportunities, How many Fortune 500 companies call Miami home?
-no matter how many championships you win D-wade will still have one more
-WHO plays center for that team? Gasol and Lakers way better up front
-Jordan has already created a team with world wide name appeal every country knows the Bulls from Jordan days, it would be an easy transition.
by houstonbull on Jun 28, 2010 12:43 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Miami
-Their fan base is not nearly as passionate as Chicago
The only things they’re passionate about are cocaine, Cuban sandwiches, beaches, tropical drinks, and diversity.
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by propheteer on Jun 28, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now we know why D-Wade doesn’t want to leave……..
by I love football! on Jun 28, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Welp
you just convinced me to move to Miami.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 28, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Miami's a ShitHole.
I’ve traveled to pretty much every major city in the US, and lots of smaller ones too. Spent plenty of time in Miami over the years, three on business and one as a short vacay. Easily, EASILY, the worst vacation money I’ve ever spent, and I stayed at the same hotel as Noah shortly after the epic first round loss to Boston (saw Jo in the elevator – very courteous guy).
Seriously, Miami is probably the biggest shit hole I’ve ever been to.
by Bin Bin on Jun 28, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's all good and well
Until you realize the guy played in the true shit hole of America, Cleveland, the last 7 years. Anything is going to look pretty nice compared to what he’s used to, particularly a city with Miami’s weather.
It’s not like he’s going to live in a bad part of any city that he lives in. There are some very nice places to live in surrounding Miami, he’ll be just fine if he goes there.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah but..
if his goal is to be a global icon, I don’t think Miami is the city for that.
go check out the Miami blog, while we’ve been basically foaming at the mouth for LeBron their posts have like 6 comments
I agree with that, and it's one of the biggest reasons
I think he won’t go to Miami.
But that’s a completely different subject.. and it isn’t really relevant to what Bin Bin was saying or my post.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe they only have 6 comments
but we have 500 by only 6 different commentors…
And I'd imagine even Heat fans
Know DWade isn’t as good as LeBron James.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
South Beach is very nice
along with Coconut Grove, but yes, there are some seriously bad areas; including in and around the Heat’s stadium. Might make the wild, wild west side of Chicago look like a resort. I stayed at the Fountain Blue (the same five star hotel that a scene from Scarface was shot), and haven’t been to anything nicer in my adult life.
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
Rumors swirling like
a F5 tornado. All we know is a few will get blown away by it come Thursday morning!
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
boooooooo
wait, is ‘F5 tornado’ a browser refresh button pun?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 28, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Call me crazy
But I’m one for just getting one max (Bosh please) and then using the rest of the cap space to find second tier/role player FA. If we sign two max contracts, what happened to the plan of everything going through Rose? No matter who you bring, I think this should still be Rose’s team, which is why I want Bosh. Wade and Bron would wanna run the show. But imagine Rose, Bosh, Noah, and then maybe two more FA that fit areas we need help in? Because honestly, I don’t want another year of Pargo…
I almost forgot I can't afford the bleach that turns collars from blue to white...but I never liked the collar white anyways.
by zortaf on Jun 28, 2010 1:16 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
You're crazy
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
by snley on Jun 28, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
When the best player (arguably) in the game is available.
And your team is in the best position to get that player.
You go for that player.
I think we all love Derrick, but most have always seen him as the #2 option on a title team at best. Super star point guards rarely, if ever, are the best option on a title winning team.
by bleigh82 on Jun 28, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ur craaaaaaazzy
(unless we get melo in 2011)
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
His plan is signing Bosh,
then Channing Frye, Randy Foye, Jordan Famar, and Mike Miller
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jun 28, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Rose will be my favorite player no matter who the Bulls get.
I would love for the Bulls to be Rose’s team.
That said, if you can get LeBron and Bosh, you get LeBron and Bosh.
by Sir Buckets on Jun 28, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
It was a response to zortaf's post :P
I can see how it could get lost in all the comments though lol
It's from "True Blood."
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 28, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
"That's crazy"
(shocked no one has done this yet)
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
I regret starting it
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
Didn't Derrick start it?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
They've probably already run their course, I just couldn't resist
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder when we will all get the memo.
/new meme bitchesssss
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 28, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Any Bulls season tix holders on here?
Trying to decide if I want to buy some 300 level tix before the deadline to be safe. Can probably attend half the games, but will need to get rid of the other half. Obviously, will be easy to if LeBron comes to town…if not though, I’m trying to gauge what I could lose. Was reselling tickets difficult last year? Any info would be appreciated.
I have an 11 game pack
was able to sell the Lakers for 120% or so. The market was ok for good teams. My seats are in row 1 in 300 level in the corner. Tuesday vs. Grizzlies will be a tough sell. IMO most of the resale market is for tickets in the 100s.
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You'll be fine.
I don’t know your financial / schedule situation, so it’s hard for me to comment here, but if you can afford to hold on to the tickets until the season is in process, you’d be better off then selling them right away, as I assume we’ll be a pretty good team no matter what happens this week and that should build excitement in the fanbase. You’ll be able to sell most of them, a few weekday games against teams like the Wolves, maybe you lose a bit, but overall, you’ll make up for it with a couple big games.
The Bulls might fail & not get LeBron, but we still had good attendance last year, and the chances of us not being better than last year are very slim. Even if it’s just Boozer and a SG, that’s still a very good team there. If we strike out on LeBron, it’s not like we’re going to be under .500 or something.
Will you know well ahead of time that you can’t make it to certain games? If you are deciding the day of or the week of the games, that could make it more difficult. That’s something you should consider.
My opinion for any non-essential spending is this: worst case situation and Rose tears his ACL in training camp, Noah cuts his arm off in a freak bow tie accident, and no one signs here, you can’t even give the tickets away, can you still pay the bills? If the answer is no, then you probably shouldn’t think about buying season tickets. If the answer is yes, then I think it really just depends on how far in advance you’ll know you can’t make it to a game.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
If you don't buy season tickets right now...
you will seriously regret it for the next decade.
I'm from Connecticut.
Don’t be surprised if next May (or… June? tear) after I graduate I beg someone to sell me 1-3 tickets to a game or two.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Ok I've made up my mind.
I am fully aboard the Lebron ship! I hope that the Bulls get him and Bosh or whoever is willing to follow him! No joke. Sorry for the previous confusions. I think he’ll become a more confident player with our boys D-Rose and Jo. Sorry if I’ve angered anyone over my earlier ideas, but I think this an excellent opportunity for the Bulls!
I've been angered and confused over your last comments
and still can’t get over it
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 28, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
No worries.
I’ve just used common sense and if we get the best players we possibly can, it will eventually pay dividends. It’s what’s best for the team and winning. The guys that are already on the team and that have their places secured will know the system and Thibodeau seems quite similar to Skiles (IMO), and with size and power and a little more experience from Lebron and Bosh, it will be a great team. It might take some time to gel, it might not, but success will be there, whatever the Bulls choose in the upcoming days/weeks!
Welcome to the world of sane bulls' fans (and Souleater)
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 28, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think DRose's and LeBron's attitudes will mesh well.
They both bring something to the table that the other needs; LeBron’s swagger might rub off a little on Rose, while Rose’s humble and serious approach to the game can only help James
Hey guys what's up? I heard that the Bulls have selected Samardo Samuels on the roster for the Summer League
He’s from Louisville where he learned his trade under Rick Pitino.
Do you guys know of him and what do you think?
i know as a marquette grad
i hate louisville. and samardo samuels would disapear against the likes of seton hall.
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by boyonthedock on Jun 28, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
quite a few.
think MU beat em once while i was there, and lost a whole bunch of games by like 3 points.
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by boyonthedock on Jun 28, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I feel your pain. Don't feel to bad however because the Big East is a beast of a conference
and i’m convinced that if some of its teams played elsewhere they would have way better records MU included.
I remember watching them during the D-Wade years and recently that Jones kid has been a flat out stud.
Jones kid?
i suppose Jamail Jones joins the team next year, but I doubt you are talking about a JUCO recruit.
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by boyonthedock on Jun 28, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, Dominic james
graduated Last year, played in turkey in 09-10. best guys on the team next year will be Jimmy Butler and Darius Johnson-Odom. watch the second guy, as he might have a future in the league. Lights out 3 point shooter and the most effective head fake I’ve ever seen. even better than brad millers!
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by boyonthedock on Jun 28, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the lakers are ok
at SG for a little while.
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by boyonthedock on Jun 28, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
got injured senior year
never replicated his awesome frosh year. plays in the turkish league now. might get invited to a camp, might not. it worked out well for wes matthews. i know jerel mcneal got an invite to Bobcats camp after just missing with the clippers and jazz last year.
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by boyonthedock on Jun 28, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
he plays PG
and shot 54% from the free throw line. can’t hit 3s. I am 5’9 and he was the same height as me when i saw him around campus. Now, he can dunk and i can’t, is a good defender, good court vision, and can get to the rim with his crazy speed and jumping, but you just can’t float those college numbers in the NBA
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by boyonthedock on Jun 28, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
new thread for this
convenient: summer league roster leaked:
http://www.blogabull.com/2010/6/28/1541782/bulls-summer-league-2010-roster
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 28, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Byron Scott chimes in
Scott is hopeful James will return to the Cavaliers. He hasn’t spoken directly to James, but has talked to people in his camp, who say there’s a "50-50" chance James re-signs with Cleveland.
"He’s a loyal guy," Scott said. "He wants to win."
What are the scenarios if LeBron does re-sign with the Cavs?
What kind of flexibility do they have to make moves, real moves, to push them over the top? Has anyone gamed it out for the Cavs?
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 28, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Hickson & One year of Shaq
For Bosh would be my first guess.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Is anyone else on Chris Sheridan's chat right now?
Dude is a complete moron.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 28, 2010 3:11 PM CDT reply actions
His arguments against Chicago are ludicrous
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 28, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
That's why I don't listen to him or Broussard
I have nothing against Chicago and actually hope you guys get LBJ.
However once you do PLEASE don’t mention him in the same breath or sentence as MJ or Kobe, because he has to surpass Dwayne Wade as a player first before he can even attempt to join the ranks that those two occupy.
no deal
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 28, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks. Once it happens I will sit back and watch Cleveland head back into nothingness.
Everything will be right in the NBA once again where we don’t have to hear the incessant whining of Cavs fans who feel they and their team should be handed the keys to the NBA without paying their dues.
As Joakim Noah said (which happened to be my favorite quote of the year) “I never heard anyone say I’m going to Cleveland for the holiday”
I love this Noah kid ever since his days at Florida.
Is there any chance you guys would give him up in return for our very own Josh Powell and DJ Mbenga aka Congo Cash.
He has to surpass Dwayne Wade?
I swear people are just trolling me at this point.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm being serious. Dwayne Wade is a better player than LBJ.
I’ve been saying this ever since they both joined the league.
LBJ is the Chosen One and as a result has been marketed like he’s the best when basketball skill wise he’s not better than Wade or Kobe.
Well you've been wrong for a very long, I don't know what else to say.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Lebron is the better talent period
With that being said, there is something to be said about having that “it” factor in order to win a ring. I think Wade has that and Lebron is still searching for it. It’s like trying to explain the difference between Derek Jeter and A-Rod. Of course A-rod is the better player but when it matters the most, Jeter is the one you want at the plate.
Until Lebron shows the ability to go out a win a ring, he isn’t on Wade’s level. That’s why we have Championships to begin with and it cheapens the game not to factor that in.
That "it" factor was a younger Shaq..
Dan Marino isn’t as good as Trent Dilfer? Charles Barkley isn’t as good as Steve Kerr? Give me a fucking break here.
Rings are great and all, but these are team sports, it’s not Tennis.
LeBron wins a championship with the team Wade had too. If all it took was this stupid “it” factor, Kobe would win every year. He wouldn’t have needed Pau Gasol to start winning championships again.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Excellent points
but I will say that LeBron has rarely shown the killer instinct in the 4th quarter (at least when I’ve watched him) that I see from Kobe, Wade and Melo. It’s nothing statistical, it’s just body language and the eye test. He hasn’t passed it for me yet.
That doesn’t mean if you’re giving me the option between LeBron, Wade, Kobe or Melo I won’t take LeBron. I’ll take him 10 times out of 10. You want the best player, end of conversation.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 28, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, that game against detroit when he was... 21 years old?
horrible
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
But let's not forget that Kobe also had a 27-year-old Shaq,
in an MVP year.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jun 28, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
no, he wasn't leading anyone.
I can’t believe I have to actually argue for Shaq to get MORE credit. Do you honestly not know anything about basketball?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
The fact is
Kobe is 2 finals mvp, one of which belongs to Pau who bailed his ass out of piss-poor game 7. The guy may be the most over-rated basketball player in history.
Of course he had Shaq
But I watched Dwayne Wade beat the Mavs on his own. That happened. Whether Shaq was there or not. That’s what winning the ring grants you. There isn’t a lot of room for what ifs and discussion when you got that jewelry on your finger. Wade has it and Lebron doesn’t right now. Kobe has A LOT of it and it’s not all because of Pau Gasol.
Lebron is a great talent. But you’re not going to walk around being called the King for the hell of it. All great players had to deal with the pressure and he’s no different. It Payton Manning, Steve Young, and John Elway had to deal with it then so does Lebron. Barkley, Malone, and all these guys aren’t looked at on Jordan’s or Tim Duncan’s level for a reason.
It’s about rings. You can’t assume that Lebron would have done anything when it comes to championships. But Wade has.
I can assume the ref was getting paid off
And even Kobe & Jordan didn’t win a championship without an elite player along side them.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you're over-simplifying things eg the West being a tougher conference and Kobe had to deal with his team bieng rebuilt during his mid 20's
Anyway I stand by what I say D-Wade is the better basketball player.
LBJ is the better physical/athletic specimen.
In what way basketball skill wise would you say that LBJ is better than Kobe or Wade? running a set of iso plays over and over again then getting to the rim to finish with an and 1?
He has no mid range or post game and is average from the free throw line and beyond the arc.
Kobe already had him beat in offensive moves and added an even better post game (thanks to Olajuwon) to his arsenal.
Maybe i’m being blind so please educate me and don’t use stats such as rebound and assists because they are a by product of the system you play in and are dependent on other players.
If I can't use stats
You make it hard for me to prove to you who is a better player. Considering anything else is just a matter of opinion.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't mean it that way. But people forget that players have different roles iin different teams
so comparing a shooting guard’s rebounds and assists to a forward does not make sense.
And please don’t say if LBJ was on the Lakers team with Shaq he would’ve won as well because it was KOBE in a lot of HUGE games that carried the team in the playoffs and you have no guarantee to say that LBj would’ve hit those shots if he were in the same situation because as shown he cracked this year against Boston and last year against Orlando..
Jordan never had the numbers LBJ had, are you going to tell me that he was a lesser player to LBJ?
MVP’s are media awards and don’t mean you’re the best player in the league like some would have us to believe either.
If LBJ had played along a prime Shaq would he have these numbers?
People forget that it was Shaq and Kobe not Shaq then Kobe, both made that Lakers team better and in the latter years ir was mainly Kobe’s drive and determination when Shaq was slacking off.
I'm not saying I totally disagree with you
but Jordan’s ’87 season is still the greatest statistical season in the modern era.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 28, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Jordan never had the numbers LBJ had?
Jordan averaged 32,8,8 and 3 steals one year if you want to use simple stats. PER over 30, 20+ Win Share… you clearly have no clue what you are talking about, you’re over your head here.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was the year when he wasn't playing the triangle offense to it's fullest use
Anyway that was one year. The more they used the triangle the more his stats went down because the triangle required ball movement and player movement.
Also Jordan didn’t have the teammates in 87 that Kobe had on his Lakers team when he entered the league so of course his stats are going to be better.
As I’ve asked before would LBJ or MJ have the same stats with a PRIME SHAQ on the team?
That wasn't the point I was referencing
You said
Jordan never had the numbers LBJ had, are you going to tell me that he was a lesser player to LBJ?
But the issue is that Jordan had better numbers than LeBron at similar points in their careers.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 28, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Even if you were right, that Kobe's stats were down because he played
with Shaq, you would see a corresponding boost in his efficiency. It’s not there. At least, it’s not there to the degree to think he deserves to be compared to LBJ and MJ. He’s posted lower TS% and eFG% than both throughout his career. Even with Shaq, he posted lower AST% than both. Kobe’s great, but he’s not close to the level of MJ and LeBron.
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
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by snley on Jun 28, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Wade's defense is vastly overrated.
He doesn’t really pass that much so he doesn’t make his team better. His shot looks funky too, so he can’t shoot threes.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
If I pass a basketball to you does that make you a better player?
Or would you rather see my drive determination and learn my work habits to improve your skills.
As I said assists are overrated and does not make someone better.
LBJ had a ton of assists in a team that was at the bottom of the league in sharing the rock. What does that say?
LBJ works harder than Wade.
And it tells me his team sucks, and that he got them such wide-open looks they would have been stupid to pass up the shot.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I dont think you've been watching basketball very long if you LBJ works harder than Wade.
lets just use the last playoffs as the measuring stick.
Did you observe both against Boston? Wade gave his heart and soul while LBJ did something else!!!
In LBJ’s first MVP year, Wade was on a crappy Miami team and slaved himself to get them into the playoffs and actually had a better season but as we all know LBJ is the chosen one so they gave him the MVP
Well, if James is the best player in the NBA...
….(or 3rd best, in your opinion) and he doesn’t work, that just goes to show how much skill he has!!!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
And Wade was widely reported to have slacked off last summer because he was
unhappy with the roster constitution of the Heat. It certainly showed in his play during the first part of the season.
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
He's got a higher career AST% than LeBron
They’re pretty close overall, I don’t see why it’s blasphemy to argue it. Both guys put up massive numbers, and Wade’s performance against Dallas was Jordanlike.
A series performance?
You can’t use a 7 game series to compare one guy to another, you know better than that. LeBron is Jordan like for 80 game stretches.
Any superstar can play out of their mind for a week or two, especially when the ref has money on the games.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's just the words of one bitter man who is taking a swipe at his previous employees.
I’m not saying there isn’t some truth in what he’s saying but the conspiracy thing is over blown.
yes there are calls given to stars but the NBA is a star driven league.
I can’t see Stern wanting one team to win if so how comes Phoenix didn’t win it in 07?
It's been proven that, at the very least, he bet on and rigged games
And to think that he’s the only one who ever did it is pretty naive if you ask me.
Brad Miller is god.
You can't use a Finals performance in an argument?
If a guy dominated at the highest level in the game, I think that counts for something. I wouldn’t say that playoff performances are random.
No you can't
And coming from a guy like you who use’s statistics so well, I’m baffled you would even consider using such a small sample size to argue anything.
And if you do want to use that, it’s not like LeBron didn’t carry a sorry ass team to the finals at 21 or 22, that’s far more impressive than what Wade did.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Huh?
The east was terrible in 2007 when LeBron’s team made the Finals, while Wade’s 2006 team had no business escaping the East, much less winning the whole thing. You’re comparing a forgettable season to one of the best individual playoff runs ever.
But the bigger issue is your point is that stats have to back up every argument – they don’t. Stats are able to prove very little, and I haven’t seen any that prove something as simple as LeBron is better than Wade over 82 games. So the only way I know how to build a case is to look at a bunch of indicators and see what they’re suggesting.
- LeBron’s stats and Wade’s are close with a slight edge to LeBron
- Wade has the dominant playoff run that LeBron does not
Neither means anything definitive, they both suggest things. If you want to throw out the only championship between the two players, that’s fine. I’ve chosen to factor that in.
I was being facetious.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
And I'd rather have ARod...
For his career, in high leverage situations he has an OPS of .977
Jeter in high leverage situations has an OPS of .841.
ARod actually is at his best in high leverage situations, Jeter is at his best in Medium Leverage situations..
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course you would
But even A-Rod knew it was worth switching positions and not being called the greatest Shortstop in history in order to play WITH Jeter and win a ring.
With the Yankees.
Derek Jeter is a part of that team.
You could get rid of Derek Jeter and replace him with an above average SS (maybe less than average) and they’d still win the world series.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
What's basketball skill-wise?
I don’t care about that too much, though. I care about production.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I hear you and I can't argue with you on that because it's you opinion.
However would a player like LBJ produce those same numbers in a different team that had a real coach and a real offense to run instead of iso plays?
I don’t think so, so please don’t know Wade or Kobe because they play for teams where the offense is structured (especially Kobe).
I remember in the finals against India, the Pacers were coming on strong and Kobe took a dagger 3 to calm the team down and silence the crowd.
What did Phil Jackson come over and say? not good job but “Play within the offense”
If that was Mike Brown he would’ve been on the side line cheering like he was LeBron’s biggest fan.
You're ridiculous.
Go away.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
No point in arguing with you because once the facts hit you in the face you can't respond
The Phil to Kobe line is a fact go watch the tape and Mike Brown cheering from the sidelines when LBJ does his own thing is also a fact.
Anyway i’m off
Thank god.. I wasn't even paying attention
It’s a Lakes fan.. his ignorance no longer bothers me.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
How long do you have to say something
before it becomes true? Do you have to say it over and over again, or five times a day, or once a month, or what? Can you sleep?
by Gentleman Jim on Jun 28, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I was waiting for a Kobetard to say something
You’re upset about LBJ being compared to Kobe? And yet you use MJ and Kobe in the same sentence?
what's wrong with that. Kobe is better on offense and Jordan is better on shot selection and defense
As much as I like MJ it’s not like he’s a god or something, they both have the same skill set.
And I don’t mind the LBJ comparisons
On a serious note
I don’t believe MJ is some god, I have said multiple times that Lebron is the best ever at his age. The fact that people still argue that Kobe is the best player in the league astounds me when he is not even the best on his own team. But keep on believing.
Kobe is not better than Jordan was on offense.
How can Jordan be better on shot selection — resulting in a career .497 shooting percentage compared with Kobe’s .455, by the way — but not be better on offense than Kobe? Kobe’s never had a season where he shot better than .469.
Also:
Jordan: 30.1 ppg career, 5.3 apg career
Kobe: 25.3 ppg career, 4.7 apg career
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 28, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to mention
Jordan’s averages are brought down by playing past his prime.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely.
He shot .416 and .445 in his respective Wizards seasons.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 28, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
ahk!
I don’t like those numbers man. Just watch the game. Have you seen anyone take those fadeaway 3s, double-teamed like Kobe has? Nevermind that one of the best post players in the league that’s shooting over 50 percent is waiting there. The greatest offensive weapon the league has ever witnessed takes those shots day in and day out!
by diedaily23 on Jun 28, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I recced out of hope this was facetious
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
Let's try to follow his logic...
My thought remain the same: The King does not do purgatory, and two years in Newark is purgatory. when the Brooklyn arena is built and LeBron becomes a free agent again (could be 2013, 14 or 15), Prokhorov and Jay-Z will be truly in the mix.
Do you see Lebron and Rose being able to co-exist if Lebron were to sign in chicago? I personally don’t. (question from someone)
They both need the ball in their hands. That is a major factor. And the fact that Rose can’t shoot from 3 is a factor, too. The Bulls have no shooters. (Chris’ answer)
Should the Rose/Lebron co-existing point and the Bulls lack of shooters be the Knicks #1 pitch point? (question)
Their No.1 pitch point will be playing in NY, but from a basketball standpoint one of their top arguments should be that they are positioned to be major players in free agency again in 2011 when Eddy Curry comes off the cap. Miami and Chicago can’t make that same argument. (answer0
Chris, you make it sound like the lack of shooters on the Bulls is some irrevocable problem. You realize that they can acquire shooters fairly cheaply, especially if they have the lure of LBJ… (question)
Only if they divvy up their remaining cap space after signing LeBron. You think Kyle Korver is signing for the minimum? No way. (answer)
Using the summer of 2011 as an asset for the Knicks is almost laughable. LBJ wants to win a title now, so why would he sign somewhere and wait another year for Eddy Curry’s hamburger money to come off the books? (question)
It’s about what the team will look like over the next 3-4 years, not what it’ll look like in 2010-11 (answer)
Deng would have to be used in a sign-and-trade to get Bosh. Otherwise, Raptors would tell Bosh to go sign for the Bulls’ remaining post-LeBron room for five years instead of six. That’s the $30 million hammer they are holding over his head.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 28, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
So let me get this straight
LeBron “doesn’t do purgatory” but he’ll go to New York for what they can do in 2011-2012? That makes no sense.
So the Bulls’ remaining cap room can’t net them a shooter after LeBron? What about Joe Johnson?
Oh, of course, he’s assuming we’ll sign Bosh. But he’s also assuming we have to use Deng in a S&T (please God please) but neglects to mention that it will free up about $9 mil additional space in doing so. We can’t get Ray Allen or a few Kyle Korvers for $9 mil?
I never used to think he was an idiot, but come on.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 28, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I never understood the "both need the ball in their hands" thing
How is LeBron/Rose different than Pierce/Rondo? Or Ginobili/Parker? As long as both players can pass I don’t see an issue.
Well, pass and also play off the ball
all those guys listed can
Right
How is it different than LeBron/Wade or LeBron/Joe Johnson? Or Pippen/Jordan — neither of them was a spot-up shooter…
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 28, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
bulls --- no shooters (?) all the others --- no pg or c
(except nj, of course)
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
And New jersey doesn't have shooters either
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 28, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
that's it!
he must stay in cleveland! shooters! big z!
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
I think ESPN just forced him to take the NY angle
there’s no way he’s really that dumb. Is there?
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 28, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Where will we ever find shooters????? UGH
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 28, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess we should really be happy
Because today was the day that all the writers and talking heads switched on the Bulls. Am I the only one that’s noticed that? First it starts with Stephen a Smith’s shot across the bow with Lebron going to Miami. Then you have ESPN hosts on TV and radio start to give reason why Lebron would go to Miami. Then you have articles and personalities talking about the ownership of different clubs and hoe Reinsdorf is cheap and dissed MJ and Scottie.
All of this just so happening to start the day after a NY NBA exec says he’s coming to Chicago. I’m not a conspiracy theorist (Ok maybe a little) but am I the only one noticing a trend here? Buckle up everybody, it’s going to be a bumpy week.
Seems like the trend today is for a lot
of sources are saying that Lebron is going to Miami or that Lebron wouldn’t be a great fir here. At least it seems that way to me
So who is gonna be our Toni Kukoc or Steve Kerr?
We know have a sort of a Rodman (Noah), Pippen (Lebron, because he fills the stat sheet), and Jordan (too early, but i had no choice, D-Rose). Who can be our tactical ploy to shoot the open jump shot down the stretch if one of the big boys is guarded well?
ok, next 'rumor' gets its own thread
this one is filling up, for better or for worse.
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LOL, perfect.
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