LeBron Not Going On Free Agency Tour
The Cleveland Cavaliers' superstar will visit with individual clubs at a neutral site once the free-agency period begins July 1.
James' decision throws a monkey wrench in the plans of several clubs that hoped to sell him on non-basketball-related enticements such as the vibrancy of their city, the social life it may afford, or the A-list celebrities that support their teams.
James, the most coveted player in this historic free agent class, wants the focus to be entirely on basketball and doesn't want it to turn into a spectacle.
Advantage : Bulls (again)
[More Lebron - but heck, that's what everyone wants to talk about right now anyway, right? - substitute ed.]
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Seriously, is there ANYTHING that would make you believe he's not coming here?
I mean, every single report/rumor points to him coming to Chicago. Either this is the biggest cocktease in American sports history, or two weeks from now I’m gonna be the happiest man in the universe
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 5:33 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
It just makes me think
The only reason he wouldn’t come to Chicago is not because of Jordan’s shadow.
It’s because maybe the chance to win a ring with this team is too easy.
Maybe he thinks if he humps ship to Chicago, people will bash on him because he took the easy road to a championship or championships?
I don't know--LeBron is pretty talented...
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on Jun 26, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's part of the reason I question him going to Miami
How much credit would he get for a title if he won it on a Dream Team like that one would be. At least with us, we have the great core, but he’s far and away the number one option.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
They weren't a for sure thing back then
They didn’t have Ray Allen when he first got traded.
And people still questioned their age/health
Actually, they got Allen on draft day.
They got Garnett later on in free agency.
The correct response is: they were traded, so of course they didn’t accuse him of jumping ship. He was a lot older anyway.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Ray-Ray was on the team a month before KG was traded.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Those were a little different though, those guys were'nt free agents
If they were, they would be on the Bulls and Cubs, because that’s why the rumors started, both guys wanted to be in Chicago. Btw, how you liking this Cubs/Sox game Nittany? Are the Cubs a disaster or what?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
haha, I'm way too high on Lebron to get caught up in Cubs/Sox nonsense
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, they're pretty bad
Sox are spanking them right now. With an Z implosion, on and off the mound, in the first no less.
Yea, I missed that, heard he went after D Lee... Yikes
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking earlier what would happen if the Bulls completely strike out in FA
And I realized, we are going to become BCB.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm starting to think all the WWW leaks were all released to let Knicks and Cavs fans down easy
He knows there’s gonna be a lot of dissapointed people out there, so instead of making it a celabratory event, he’s making it very business like. This is a very wise choice imo. It gives off the vibe that he truly only cares about winning
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd still be concerned WWW is "leaking" information for the wrong reasons.
I’m extremely nervous and I don’t think anything should be written off as a foregone conclusion. I’m probably more uncertain than anyone else I’ve seen post here. I’d love for LeBron to come (go, since I’ll be moving) to Chicago, but I’m not sold that it’s all that likely. There are 5 other teams in play that can make pretty interesting offers, although I agree that it makes the most sense for him to come to Chiago.
by jsl413 on Jun 26, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The way he talks about the Knicks "scrambling" to plan B, you'd think he was talking about BP responding to the oil spill
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 5:35 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
hmm can the knicks physically bring the Empire State building to the neutral sight?
by SoulEater7 on Jun 25, 2010 5:39 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
LMAO
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I still fear Miami might find a way to steal him.
but we have to be favorites at this point…
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
That, and, no offense to the Miami BaB'ers,
but why would he want to build his legacy in Miami? It’s a great city, but as far as being a great sports town, it’s pretty awful. Nobody gives a shit about those teams unless they’re winning rings, and even then the interest is marginal. That’s why I fear him going to New York more, at least he’ll be fully appreciated there.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
He doesn't have much time left..
He needs to win now.. China respects winning and thats going to be harder in NYC. Kobe is fine on the Lakers who had to live up to Magic. LeBron will be fully appreciated where ever he goes.
No doubt
The Marlins have 2 championships and the stadium is empty EVERY night!
"I get my energy, from my inner G, I'm from outer space but I got inner peace..."-Chicago's own Lupe Fiasco
by realisticoptimist on Jun 25, 2010 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget about that parade a few weeks ago...
that 2 million people attended. You better believe that Lebron saw footage of that parade and saw the way we worship our sports teams. LA has its celebrities, NY has its CEOs and models, and Chicago has its sports stars and teams.
Just after turning on the TV, I saw Wade, Hoiberg, and some other guy....
by MouseIsInTheHouse on Jun 25, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
This.
We may not have Jack Nicholson or Spike Lee at our games, but do we have a hell of fans that but your shit.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 26, 2010 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Sweet, at least they have some actual reporters there
I was scared that it would be Bruce Bowen an his bow tie talking nonsense for an hour
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I like that they've hired Tom Penn
People with real knowledge, not mediocre former players like Rose and Mashburn.
by The90sBullsRevival on Jun 25, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Ever notice how when Jalen talks, he still keeps his teeth clenched together?
That’s always bugged me
Well Bucher obviously knows what's going on in Chicago
He mentions how the Bulls might just go straight for Johnson and Bosh because it fits their blueprint.
I wouldn’t be mad if they did get Bosh and Joe. I would be mad if they didn’t try to get LeBron because he wasn’t in their blueprint
he also was the one guy predicting lebron will stay in cleveland
“they had the best record the last two years!”
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
that was probably one of the dumbest things I've ever heard..
thank God it came from the Knicks head coach.
by SoulEater7 on Jun 25, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is a very interesting angle that I haven't seen anyone mention yet. From Alan Hahn of Newsday:
alanhahn The fact that Carter gave this story to @chris_broussard tells you CB has the pipeline. So his reports of Chicago being favorite? Heed them.
So true. Broussard has been saying all along, “Lebron to Chicago”, and this proves he has the connections and wasn’t just talking out of his ass.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 6:13 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
But he recently changed his mind
About 6 days ago he said Lebron is probably staying in Cleveland. Someone posted the video on here.
Who's Carter?
I don’t get what this proves.
by jsl413 on Jun 26, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wait a second...
Lebron doesn’t want it to turn into a spectacle? Really? This whole thing has been a huge spectacle for how long now? Hopefully he’s grown tired of it all and has decided to finally get serious and just come to Chicago. What a spectacle that would be.
And on a more hilarious note
Who else thinks it’s freakin awesome that stupid New York had to cancel it’s stupid party. I love it. Hopefully they got the memo.
by DRose23 on Jun 25, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
You know, in a way this is even more spectacle
Changing plans on a whim. And if you think of Lebron as having a huge ego, you can look at this as more evidence that he thinks the world revolves around him – he won’t go to them, they have to come to him.
Someone asked KC in his mailbag about Lebron sort of running the team in Cleveland, and he didn’t think the Bulls would extend special privileges. Could make it interesting. (And no, I’m not talking bending the headband rule…. Of course, KC also isn’t the final word for the team, no matter what we all think….)
Off the court, there are multiple reports of the influence he held over the Cavaliers’ organization and how much the organization allowed him to do. I can’t see the Bulls allowing his entourage to fly on the team charter or even enter the locker room. So it will be interesting to see how much, if at all, these things matter to LeBron.
(And yes, I have much dislike for the man’s approach to life to set aside if/when he does sign)
The basketball world DOES revolve around Lebron.
He was on the cover of SI as a Junior IN HIGH SCHOOL! And all the hype that he would be the greatest ever and he has actually lived up to it so far. He still has a ways to go to get there, but he is on the right path.
LBJ never went to college. He went straight from a high school phenom to being drafted by Cleveland. He never got recruited. He never got to hold his press conference where he announced where he would be committing to play college ball. He never got to choose! This is his college experience. He wants everyone to want him and he wants to wait until he hears everyone’s pitch, make sure they don’t have anything extra up their sleeve that he hasn’t already seen or heard and then make a decision.
by Unrealcity on Jun 26, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
WJB, I think you should stage a coup and re-format the site in yfbb's absence
When he get’s back the fanshots will be back to normal and there’ll be a new tagline
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 6:53 PM CDT reply actions 8 recs
I'd probably end up erasing the entire site or something
I kind of like subbing on occasion – I’d hate to get banned.
Plus, I might not be able to resist changing the tagline to something about missing Kirk, and you’d all hate that more. ;)
by wjb1492 on Jun 25, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Naw
I think we all love Kirk now that we don’t have to think about his contract.
"I skim a LOT of what gets said here
in a race to put in a smirky retort."
-your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2009 4:52 PM EDT
by Jamaicanpi on Jun 25, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
lol
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
He seems like the person who wouldn't notice
Or, he’d notice but too much time has lapsed for him to do anything about it.
“Oh, the new sig line? Oh, ahem, yeah, I decided to keep it up there. I let wjb off with a, uh, warning.”
Oh no!
It took me ages to get used to the fanshots
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 25, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
fanshots on the left are an improvement
compared to scrolling down. people can’t look left and right?
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
Yeah
Now I just forget about the fanposts :\
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 25, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Free agent special
Buch says stays in Cleveland, Penn says NYC, Broussard says Chicago, Barry says Chicago, Wilbon says Cleveland
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
sratch that Wilbon says Chicago
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
Also Bucher and Broussard says Bosh to chicago
Wilbon and Barry says he’s going to Miami.
by The90sBullsRevival on Jun 25, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
that's what i was thinking
before the NHL playoffs, i kinda assumed the hawks were doomed because everyone picked them
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
I don't get Bucher's hard on
for Lebron staying in Cleveland. He’s been saying that and giving reasons for it from the beginning. If Lebron doesn’t come here then him staying in there would be the best case scenario for us. We’ll just go out and get JJ and Boozer or Lee and whoop up on the Cavs for the next 3-5 years.
The only dreadful scenarios are Lebron to New York or Miami with other FA
I’m not too scared of that Cleveland team, especially because we’ll be loaded
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Bucher was completely wrong on the Kobe trade talks a few years ago
So, he’s not going to put himself on the line anymore.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, I thought this was the obvious answer.
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
yeah
Now I just forget about the fanposts :\
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 25, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
You never know
I thought that Hinrich’s contract was immoveable
I think he is just playing the opposite card.
If everyone is saying one thing, I’ll go with the other and then if he does stay, I look like a genius/plugged in. And I’m sure everyone will forget if I’m wrong.
No we won’t Buch!
I would move the CAVS to seattle.
rename them the Sonics. It would be so fitting. They can handle it.
by SoulEater7 on Jun 25, 2010 7:02 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Also..
Did anyone else see they had JJ, Bosh and LeBron to Chicago? They mentioned that JJ and Bosh could sign for less by splitting what is left over after LBJ6 signs.
Well only 3 of them picked Lebron to Chicago
And only 2 of them had Bosh to Chicago. I’m assuming Bucher (who had Lebron to Cleveland) called JJ to Chicago, while Wilbon and Barry (who had Bosh to Miami) also called JJ to Chicago.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 25, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
HOLY SHIT!! COULD THAT REALLY HAPPEN?
All three?! Could the Bulls be THAT ballsy?
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
If Bron doesnt comew here
i will have a fulfilled HATE for this dude
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
I feel like the media (ESPN/NBATV) has conditioned the public.. about LeBron to the Bulls.
Could you imagine if it went the route they talked about from the start? Shoes and tours? Just mass chaos. People pissed of and depressed.. ha
Hopefully the 'Bron and Bosh to Bulls' hype puts pressure on GarPaxDoof to go for this pair.
And NOT JJ and Bosh cause it’s cheaper. Since DWade is staying pat Bron and Bosh are the top prizes. If i’m the Bulls I wanna be special; i don’t want the consolation prize!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jun 25, 2010 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Has anybody stopped to think
That Bosh isn’t the best player to go with Lebron. Because contrary to poular belief, Chris Bosh isn’t a classic post up player that you constantly feed the ball to. This guy likes to take his jumpshots too. Plus Lebron isn’t the greatest outside shooter either. I think JJ would actually be a better fit on this team with Rose, Noah, and Lebron.
No way
They would kill on the pick-and-roll. They’re a GREAT fit together, IMO.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
Ok then who is shooting the ball?
Who’s making them pay on double teams and when teams are clogging the paint? Luol Deng?
You can find some Bruce Bowen/Anthony Parker types
Besides – you’re going to double-team one of those guys with Derrick Rose on the team?
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
Yeah that's true
You almost forget about the 21 year old stud in the middle of all of this. Because no matter what, I still believe Rose will be the key in making this thing work
And he is currently working on his jump shot, which he already has improved from year one to year two.
Then Thibs will help with his defense and we are looking good!
Good shooters are all over the place. I think the team that gets the top tier FA’s it wants will sign a guy like Korver for the MLE. Getting JJ for the money he wants (which he will get somewhere) will be a mistake, he’s too old for a max or near max contract. Lebron+Bosh is the answer. If the opposition team somehow manages to cover Lebron…and Bosh…and Rose, one of those guys will get the ball to a reliable shooter like Korver. Getting good bigs is difficult, getting good shooters is not.
by CavsLebronFan on Jun 26, 2010 2:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Who needs 3s when you have 3 guys that can break ankles every time they touch the ball?
I mean, really though. You can’t double team Bosh, LBJ, and Rose. There’s always Noah for low-post offense since he appears to be learning how to score. If Deng’s still on the team, he has a fine mid-ranged jumper if somehow none of Bosh/Rose/James get to the rim on a particular possession.
Riley is a funny guy
I personally just think he gave up and is trying to spin it his way
“That’s not going to happen,” Riley said of trading Beasley. "We are not that desperate for room, to trade the second pick in the draft.
“We want to build around him.”
westbrook, mayo, kevin love, brook lopez...
even chalmers was a better pick
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 25, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Westbrook or Lopez
And that team with the capspace they have would be dangerous.
I heard he liked Mayo
Either way, it would have been a better pick.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Oh Pat Riley you delightful scumbag.
I’d trade JJ for Beasley, but only if Miami included cash considerations :)
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't
Beasley makes more money, right? That would cut into our ability to offer 2 max contracts, while increasing Miami’s ability to do so.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
hence cash considerations
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
That doesn't impact the cap
It makes the balance sheet look a little better, but it doesn’t reduce the payroll that determines how much we can offer under the cap.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
Them giving us cash wouldn't give us more cap space
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
hence showing how little I still know about NBA offseasons
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
haha, "delightful scumbag"
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow.
So blatantly false. Along with Pringles recent quote: “I’ll take our young nucleus with anyone’s.”
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
he loves his players
it’s genuine, not a put on (unless they’re stuck on his bench).
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
Riley's not givin in yet. He's a slippery sonafabitch!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
I really don't think bron is going to mia..
James isn’t going to help Wade win his second championship.
I think it’s either cavs make some kinda of crazy move or Chi – town as Lebron coming in a few weeks!!!
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 25, 2010 7:27 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
It's a war for Bosh between Lebron and Wade.
Bosh 2010!!!!!
by illwill on Jun 25, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
heh true
never thought about. There are no stars with a ring in Chicago and that is a plus to Lebron. Less people to beat him. He would always be one behind with wade
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 25, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Thibs will always be one ahead. Not sure if he can play in Thibs' shadow...
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anyone listen to the Simmons 2 part off season podcast?
I usually like to save it for my runs, and I’m not going till tomorrow morning
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
Check out the following FanShot
http://www.blogabull.com/2010/6/25/1537850/ford-on-simmons-podcast-lebrons
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
I almost don't want to believe all this stuff.
It all seems like a dream.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 25, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks
i figured someone would summarize the bulls stuff
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
link?
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
Don't play with my emotions!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jun 25, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha! Go Hawks!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jun 25, 2010 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Hell yeah! All they do is win!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jun 25, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
booooooo
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
I think you really do eat souls!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jun 25, 2010 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Has anyone else seen the new LeBron kicks?
by Option27 on Jun 25, 2010 7:38 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
done deal, it's over
colors don’t lie, money talks.
who’s goin to grant park with me?
Shit! Miami colors.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Now he's just fuckin with us!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
I know I'm getting ahead of myself but I don't care..
but can you imagine if this goes down and they win titles like you know they will.. what this does for the Bulls brand? Like could this inspire other generations that never watched MJ on TV to admire LeBron’s Bulls.. just blows the Chicago Bulls into like levels of Celtic and Laker legend.. maybe even the argument that the Bulls brand ( to take from Gar) gets just shot into space… I mean CHINA… my god this could just change so many things on so many levels for the Bulls and the NBA that we can’t even fathom… I would think.
I think they would surpass the Lakers and Celtics as far as franchise branding goes
Most of those Celtics teams won rings before anyone even cared about hoops. The Bulls have been on top during the rise of all the media hype, so more people naturally know about them. It would be incredible for the city and the team
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Disagree that they'd *pass* the Lakers or Celtics
But they might damn near pull even with them (particularly the Celtics), and that would be (in the words of Blago) a bleeping valuable thing.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
You're underestimating the Bulls brand internationally.
If you ever go overseas, you’ll find more Bulls fans than anything else. Great story – I’m in a pub in the English countryside about 5 years ago. This tiny place in a tiny town. I’m with another Chicago friend. A guy nearby notices out American accents, asks where we’re from and we tell him. He rolls up his sleeve and shows us his Chicago Bulls tattoo. True story.
I'm well aware of the Bulls brand internationally
And I think suggesting that we could possibly pull even with the Lakers and Celtics in the ranking of all-time NBA franchises acknowledges this. I think our disagreement lies elsewhere, which is fair.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
The one thing that gives me a little pause
is that Brian Windhorst, the Cavs Beat writer, and a guy that definitely knows his shit, has been saying that he thinks Lebron will stay, but if he doesn’t, he thinks he’s going to NYC. He’s probably one of the main guys to trust in all of this mess
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
i can live with bosh and jj
cleveland wouldn’t be much of an obstacle to the conference finals as presently constituted :)
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
Thorn is stepping down as Nets president
The move leaves the Nets in a quandary. There is no apparent successor within the organization and the uncertainty will undoubtedly hurt the Nets’ ability to recruit free agents
.
This is another win for the Bulls
pritch?
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
That's what I'm thinking
Seems like a match made in heaven (or Hell, depending on your perspective)
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
They should hire KP immediately
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
Do you think cleveland would take Deng + James Johnson in a S&T if Lebron says he wants to go to chicago?
if so, the bulls could first sign joe johnson and bosh to deals. so, either way, even if they dont get lebron they’d still have a full starting lineup
doubt it
more likely bosh or JJ in a S &T
no way cle agrees to trade lebron
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 25, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
and if they do, EXPIRING contracts so they can rebuild
not Deng’s 5 years? left.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
"Neutral site."
I just have this picture in my brain where Lebron’s on a runway in Akron, and all the interested teams have contingents meet him. He idly points at each contingent in turn, and they humbly step forward and speak their piece. When the Clippers try to say something he just waves a hand and a group of suits whisk them away. And in the end, he stoically nods and reboards his plan, simply saying, “Don’t call me; I’ll call you.”
And for whatever reason, in this creepy scenario in my head, I’m afraid Gar Forman will remind everyone of some comic book villain. And that’s the worst case scenario.
by Thrustacular on Jun 25, 2010 8:50 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Figure it'd be more like a reality show
Where he gives them a rose and they move on to the next round as one goes home at a time, crushed.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 26, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions
You gotta have titles to become the billion dollar marketing giant you want to become.....
and the quickest route to perhaps multiple titles is undoubtedly here in Chicago. It’s that simple…..and that’s why he will sign here.
i read that as
You gotta have titties to become the billion dollar marketing giant you want to become…..
So, if LeBron decides against Miami, do you think Wade sticks around?
Personally, I can’t see the two of them on the same team together, not at this point, anyway. Both guys need to be ball-handing scorers. At least D-Rose doesn’t need to shoot that much.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 25, 2010 9:30 PM CDT reply actions
Yes, true.
Then I guess the Bulls would have to get Bosh! Ha! Let the Knicks and Nets fight over Boozer, David Lee and Rudy Gay.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 25, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
this is great news
shows lebron’s growing maturity level and true desire to win … i fully expected lebron and his crew to hit up all the FA cities, but this is a pleasant surprise
Where 79-44 lead turns into a 4 point loss Happens
Bosh 2010
"We're waiting..."
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 9:38 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
HEY
I hate not being included with you guys. Stop it.
by NittanyCub on Jun 25, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Wow
As soon as Wendy took over for Matt, all the pics start showing up in the threads.
Shouldn’t take advantage of the substitute
No kidding!
I take off for a little while and you guys go nuts.
[Puts on sub hat] The thing is, it really does slow down the threads. Not everyone has outstanding internet. So cut it out.
[Takes off sub hat] Those were kind of funny. But don’t get carried away!
I'll take the heat since I did the first one
I get really antsy when there’s no new rumors for more than an hour, sorry :(
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Coolest. Substitute. Evah.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jun 26, 2010 6:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
bye bye deng
no longer need with lebron in the chi-town
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 25, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Who is going for the Bulls?
Gar and Joe Johnson?
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 25, 2010 9:47 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Oh hell no
The sales pitch will be Jerry and Pax. Gar will sit in the back like Sonny Corleone, where if he dares speak he’ll be publicly scolded by the Don (Jerry).
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
Doesn't reinsdorf's career as owner/businessman
kinda suggest this type of luck is going to fall in his lap? i remember reading a fanshot or fanpost(?) on the history of reinsdorf’s business and how he came to own the bulls. had quite a few pretty nice breaks, but i’d imagine anyone with his level of success tends to get a few lucky breaks along the way.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
I didn't get to see the Bulls selection on TV last night but.. I just watched it again..
that was so weird.. they looked so tight lipped and they just really couldn’t say anything it was just weird.
Who's "they"?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
oh sorry..
Jay Bilas, JB, JVG, Scott. It was just awkward. Like they all knew but didn’t wanna say too much.
I just think they were wary about talking about the Hinrich trade.
Sure, multiple outlets had reported it, but it wasn’t official. I was listening to ESPN radio when the Bulls made the pick, and it was practically the same thing. They spent little time talking about the pick, and the host made just a few passing references to how the pick “may” be traded along with Hinrich to the Wiz. Also, they were rushing to interview Luke Babbitt, so there’s that, too.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 25, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
This is probably as close as you will get to KC admitting LeBron is coming here..
KCJHoop
LeBron will meet teams in Cleveland in FA. Bulls—-or actually MJ—-have broken hearts in Cleveland before, right Ehlo and Wilkins? Hmm.
How weird is the KC/Hollinger back and forth today
Didn’t know they were bff
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
I didn't either!
This one is great!
KCJHoop
Walking down Mich. Ave. w/ him his rookie yr. to see if he got recognized. RT @AJHeater: @KCJHoop – What’s your fave Kirk moment w/ Bulls?
He had that whole story in a nice post about Kirk
Nice of someone to say a kind word on his way out of town, considering we’ve got plenty of time to look ahead to free agency.
I do hate that with this rule against discussing trades – it would be nice if the old team could say its goodbyes and new team its hellos now.
by wjb1492 on Jun 25, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
thanks wjb
i want paxson to do a short blog entry the way cuban did when he traded nash to the suns…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jun 26, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Nash(2-time MVP) and Kirk .. analogy ;-) piccolomair?
Cuban probably endorsed that trade, Paxson probably was mum because his past decisions have mostly proven a lack of evaluation and non visionary. Paxson’s goal is to position himself in obscurity because he’s fortunate to still have an executive NBA job compared to similar’s (Kerr,Prichard,Ferry) who all exceeded him times-over in their tenure as GMs. (All won 50 games in a season or better…not Paxson).
Plus, Bulls are in the LBJ Free agent wars, so Bulls need to downplay John Paxson’s stupid profiling “no headBand” rule which is still in effect, and we all know Lebron still likes to wear headBands.
"JustThrewUp."
"TheBullsAreSoSmallTime"
you're completely hilarious!
i didn’t even think picco was comparing paxson to a 2-time mvp, and then you want to make a case for paxson’s ineptitude as gm?
would paxson have let the (future) 2-time mvp walk from his team for nothing?
he just did PAY washington (#17 + $3mil) to take a bad contract, but as you yourself state, the bulls are in the lbj free agent wars! in much better position now too, agreed?
don’t you know better than to wait ’til the front office is looking BAD to slam them?
and how is the headband rule profiling? or should we ask brian scalabrine?
btw, gar paxsdorf has to remain “mum” until july 8. it’s the rules.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
nash wasnt an mvp when cuban got rid of him
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Hinrich upside still exists! Certainly
In the right system, mentoring and coaching without excessive somewhat unmerited praise as Paxson instituted, I believe Kirk has both the skills and mental attitude to elevate his game to a higher level than it has been shown. As Nash has proven, “lift” (or vertical) isn’t always necessary to be very successful in the NBA.
Kirk strikes me as a guy that when challenged consistently is motivated to elevate, but when given the “keys to the city” he tends toward complacency moreso.
Therefore, in my opinion, Paxson’s approach, filtered throughout the Bull’s organization (including influencing the coaches), to producing the best out of “Kirk Hinrich” was strategically “wrong”
Great mentoring coach, for example: Jerry Sloan… a guy who resist to sugar coat anything or any player..
"JustThrewUp."
"TheBullsAreSoSmallTime"
Paxson instituted..... Paxson’s approach, filtered throughout the Bull’s organization
(including influencing the coaches) “of which he wasn’t one of them”
Yes.. I’m aware he never, never desires to coach (aside from arm-chair mode), and tired of being a public GM. I’m also looking forward to his next progression “out” from his current VP role.
"JustThrewUp."
"TheBullsAreSoSmallTime"
KC is a pretty funny dude when he wants to be.
Just like he has good insight when he feels like giving it. Unfortunately, he’s too chained down by Bulls management to constantly be himself.
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
haha, that's where I got that Rose/Noah photo that I posted (illegaly)
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Does the fact that he's meeting them all in Cleveland make a difference?
Maybe an assertion of Cleveland’s “home team” advantage? He has to know he’ll be reviled by that city if he splits.
Maybe I’m just paranoid. Kremlinology, LeBron-style.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 25, 2010 10:14 PM CDT reply actions
Well, he lives there, so it kinda makes sense
Would be strange if he said, “OK, let’s meet in Nebraska”
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd be all for that, I'm on vacation next week and there's nothing else to do in this god forsaken state
It’d be even better if he set it up at the bar where he meets with Warren Buffet, watch LeBron hold court with 30+ beers on tap.
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
Anyone want to start a drinking game right now
I’m that bored
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
How about watching the NBA channel and drinking every time Lebron's name is mentioned
Should be drunk in a half hour
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
This would probably work
I finally got NBA TV, and it rules
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
I think I have it on 90% of the time, love that channel
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I would be down, but I don't have any beer, only a bottle of whiskey, and I don't think I wanna get hammered tonight
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Ouch, one is the loneliest number
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Liquor store awaits!
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
SoulEater has a gf AND drinks grey goose?
double bullshit!
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
does she sit around and watch you post here all day?
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
no..
she yells at me.. threatens to break up and then I slam her on the bed at yell at her really loud with my face a quarter of an inch from her face with my vains popping out of my neck all red faced and spitting and then I punch holes in the dry wall which I have to fix.. but I’m lazy and usually hire someone.
Sorry last one!
...so you don't have a gf. glad that's cleared up
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
Don't you live in Cali?
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
Same with NYC
Cool for the first 2-3 years. A little wearying after 5 or six. And after 1 decade in this madhouse you are either a madman yourself or praying you job takes you somewhere you can look at a tree.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
no time for central park?
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
I've been to LA and I thought it was pretty awesome
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
I been to LA and NYC and I dislike both after 2 visits each
also gone to Chicago 3 times and loved it each time. but that’s just because LA seems so hippy-ish but with such a, like, dark side. Like everyone hates you and thinks they’re better than you but won’t ever tell you.
And New York is the opposite. Everyone hates you and tells you constantly.
And then Chicago was just like, hey do you like pizza? Me too.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
by dantheman3k on Jun 26, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
me too!
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
hey, do you like pizza?
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
Most people
From outside the Midwest will tell you people from Chicago are extremely nice. It’s the first thing people say. Or.. your food is so good, but so unhealthy.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 26, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Either do I because I'd like to be coherent for the USA soccer game tomorrow
I’ve got beer though, so shouldn’t be a problem.
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
Aight, what's the game?
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
This makes me hate LeBron less.
Maybe he’s finally losing his diva ways…
by Scottie's Nose on Jun 25, 2010 10:33 PM CDT reply actions
How, exactly, is Cleveland a "neutral site"...
Unless Cleveland has no chance in the LeBron sweepstakes?
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
I think it's neutral in terms of, there's no lavish courting go on there
It’s not like Dan Gilbert is gonna take him to Quicken Loans Arena, show him what his name would sound like over the loudspeaker and introduce him to Drew Carey
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
The Clippers have narrowed their search to two guys
by Option27 on Jun 25, 2010 10:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
God, how awesome would VDN to the Clips be?
Bill Simmons has season tix. That will make for some incredible comedy all season long.
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
I can't believe I'm saying this
But Vinny deserves better than the Clippers
Vinny to the clips would make my life
right after bron and bosh to the bulls, this after thibs would let me die happy
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
Oh God I love Woj, even if he's too angry
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArShUc2yKx4FxNv8WqmpOBy8vLYF?slug=aw-lebronjayz062510
New July 1st update:
The Bulls have emerged as the favorites for James, and the Heat and Nets are making a strong push, too. The Knicks and Clippers appear to be longer shots to sign James. The Cavaliers remain a viable choice because of James’ seven seasons there and the opportunity for him to make as much as $30 million more re-signing with his hometown team.
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
Woj has amazing sources, clearly. And Jalen Rose is tight with Wes.
I’m pretty pessimistic usually, but I think at this point it’d be a shock if LeBron didn’t come to the Bulls.
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
Woj was quicker. And he has more details than Stein.
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
Why can I totally picture this?
Sources said various teams were made aware of James’ anti-tour stance on Wednesday, sending many of them into scramble mode. The New York Knicks, who according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer were planning a spectacular, celebrity-laden dinner cooked by a world-renowned chef for James on July 1, quickly canceled it and began plotting an emergency Plan B, according to two sources.
by Option27 on Jun 25, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because the Knicks are a fucking joke
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
Don't they know that begging isn't becoming of any one/thing?
That’s pathetic. For the Knicks, they’re all sizzle and no steak. They won 29 games last year with David Lee. They’re trying to convince Lebron to come to NY and sign with a team, that won 29 games last year and is now missing their best player from the year before. No wonder they wanted this celebrity bash.
I find this so damn funny.
What’s their plan B? Smuggle world-renowned hookers into Lebron’s Ohio worship-me bunker?
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jun 26, 2010 6:48 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
KC:
(And for those wondering if the trade could fall apart because it can’t be announced until the salary-cap figures are released July 8, the answer is yes. But it’s extremely unlikely as it would take a Hinrich injury or some other major unforeseen event and also poison the Wizards’ reputation moving forward.)
I’m kind of worried Hinrich might injure himself on purpose to not get traded. Ahhh!
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
wow, it gets better
Bulls management isn’t allowed to comment publicly on the impending Hinrich trade until July 8. But one person familiar with the front office’s thinking said the Bulls recognized Hinrich’s value as a glue guy and overcame their own emotional attachment to such a behind-the-scenes leader to make the business decision of pursuing greatness, albeit unknown greatness.
hahahahahahaha!!!!!
Matt needs to see this asap.
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
by Illini15 on Jun 25, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
there's a part lower where he says
“pargo could take a pay cut” to come back. i really dont know what part of that to mock first
by The90sBullsRevival on Jun 25, 2010 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
and now I just threw up
And don’t forget Jannero Pargo, who could take a pay cut to help sway college teammate and close friend Johnson.
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
No
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 25, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If we max out our capspace with two free agents and he'll take a minimum deal
I could care less if Pargo returns for an encore. He seems like a good locker room guy, and since that’s all we’d need him for, I got no issue with it
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Only if Pargo agrees to grow a mean 'stache
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
no. JJ begs to come here; the bulls do not beg JJ.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
It's really not funny
They appreciate the guy, even if many around here don’t. We all don’t know what goes on behind the scenes, but it’s not hard to imagine the like a guy who puts the team first and doesn’t cause problems. The org deals with these guys beyond stat watching.
It's pretty funny that he got paid about twice what he should have been.
I realize you like Kirk and defend him, but it shouldn’t bother you that we make fun of him. The guy has made an insane living off of basketball. No other team in the NBA would have paid him nearly what the Bulls did. They (over) rewarded him for his grit, hustle, and leadership, and he’s beyond set for life. He’ll be okay.
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
Guys get overpaid all the time in the NBA
Kirk played hard and has been a good guy. It’s no secret that the org has valued him beyond his on court, stat contribution to winning. It bothers me that, even with him now traded, some people keep at it. He’s gone, it all turned out really well for the Bulls, and you still can’t appreciate what he’s contributed to the team? I ignored the first 24 hours of it, but there’s just nothing funny about that part you bolded. The org liked him – they recognized the need to trade him for cap space and did it, but it doesn’t mean they didn’t value him or wish there weren’t a way to keep him.
And I think your wrong about him getting paid. That contract was done way before the economic crisis and when Kirk was playing really well. It looks bad now, like a lot of contracts made several years ago do in this economic state. But who foresaw the cap actually dropping back then?
Look,
I appreciated Kirk’s defense (he was really damn good at times on that end), his versatility, and the fact that he played hard at all times. But he got way overpaid, and although that’s not his fault, it made him easy to criticize.
That said, I appreciate what he did do, I enjoyed making fun of him when he sucked, but he was a good guy who played hard, and I wish him well. I hope that Washington ditches Gil so Kirk can start, because I’d like to see him enjoy the rest of his career instead of wasting away on the bench.
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
Like I said, I still liked to make fun of him because it was too easy of a target.
No need to take personal offense.
I wish him well. It just so happened his skill set and bloated roster were a bad fit with a middling offensive team that needed major offensive help. I hope he does well in Washington.
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
I'm not taking personal offense
I disagreed with you. I don’t think that statement was funny. He was a “glue guy” – much though that is mocked around here. That was basically about as true of a statement as you could find. I’m still not sure what was so funny about it. That the org liked Kirk, but realized they needed to trade him (or Lu) to make a calculated gamble on free agency? That KC used the phrase “glue”? Or that KC suggested Kirk has intangible value or was actually a leader on the team?
well
there’s a definite difference between valuing someone and having an “emtional attachment”, which is what the article said it was.
At one point, yes, he did provide value…but becoming so emotionally attached to him should never get in the way of getting BETTER. Like I said in the other post, this trade happened two years later than what it should have.
We all liked Kirk at some point (more in ‘06), but in all honesty he hasn’t been decent in several seasons. He was making over 9M a year either being injured or playing very mediocre. Him being a “good guy” should never come into the equation. That’s why I’ve always hated the so-called Bulls philosophy of drafing “good guys” from winning programs. Seriously, where has that gotten them? One playoff series win in 12 years?
GM’s, presidents, and owners in professional athletics aren’t paid to keep good guys around. Cohesiveness and chemisty IS good, but it doesn’t win games. I’d rather have good players than good guys.
id rather have both...
and the bulls have only drafted good guys since 2003, so while its still not great, its 1 playoff series won in 7 years.
I get your thoughts on trading for talent and be objective about it but you make it seem like it was impossible to win a championship with kirk on this team, if the bulls had traded deng instead, and got lebron and bosh, the team of rose, hinrich, lebron, bosh, noah would still be a championship caliber team. For all instances derrick rose is a good guy who is also a good player, there are such things, its not a one or other choice….
I also think its easier for fans to be objective (believe it or not) on a players personality vs his playing ability because we dont interact with said players every day
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I'm not saying you can't have both
but for the last several seasons it seems the Bulls only put emphasis on one side. It’s not so much a testament to a fault of the player, more on the org. I’ve always said that it’s not Kirk’s fault for the size or length of his contract, or for how much he’s been over-valued…it’s the org.
I don’t mind the Bulls liking/wanting “good guys”…but they’re shooting themselves in the foot by valuing those types of guys WAY more than just plain good players.
Derrick fell into their laps, so you can’t give them a gold star because they chose him, they were supposed to. It just so happens that he’s good in BOTH senses.
that makes sense
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Actually when he got the extension
it wasn’t that bad. Remember everyone thought he was on his way to becoming one of the better point guards in the league; he had just been named to the USA basketball team a couple months prior. Unfortunately it turned out to be an aberration rather than growth, but I think plenty of teams would have given him that contract at that time.
by JeffD on Jun 26, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I actually got a little tired of all the Hinrich hate too
Kirk was always a good soldier. I don’t think people should be flaming him on his way out like they are, but think even you have to realize that this move had to be made.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Poor Kirk, he only got paid 50% more than what he was worth! It must suck to be Kirk Hinrich!
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
by Illini15 on Jun 26, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
im posting this again cuz damn it...THERE WILL BE LIGHT
im telling you this is all part of kirks plan
In 2007 he realized this team wasnt going to do it, so he being the pg decided to play bad, afterall if the court general was playing bad the rest of the team would follow, the plan was to suck enough to get to the lottery, before rose became the unanimous number 1 he was just a lottery pick, and the bulls were primed to get him, world wide wes had it all figured out….but then rose blew up in the tournament, and suddenly he became the number 1 pick…1.7% chances dont happen by luck…..
Seeing how good rose was in practice, hinrich had to get injured because the organization wouldnt let rose start over hinrich…so hinrich got "injured" the hinrich that came back from the injury was the real deal…however the bulls organization once again stupified hinrich by pushing him to start and plans on not resigning gordon…hinrich once again dropped his play ability in hopes that gordon would not be traded, it failed…
So hinrich came back in the sophmore year of rose, sucking…because there really was one way his team was gonna win a championship, and that was with capspace and talent that could only be brought in by his being traded….so hinrich played as poor as he could, but alas the trade deadline came and hinrich remained a bull, not only that other players got traded who hinrich knew the team needed…hinrich played hard right after the deadline to help the team stay above 500 but then rose and noah went down, hinrich lost his temper at the organizations inept ability to manage this team, it showed when he was ejected for chasing a ref.
Hinrich then set out to show to the bulls organization that the only way they could be winners was if the focus was Noah and Rose playing sporadically from good to bad, to help out those two players. Its no surprise that in one of the biggest deciding games of the playoffs hinrich dropped 30, it was a must win game, and hinrich revealed his true self….
In the playoffs hinrich understood once again that rose and noah would need help to win, and that help was beyond his own playing ability, so hinrich played sporadically on purpose again in hopes to wow lebron and the rest of the world and free agents, not with his play, but with his teams play, with rose and noah being pushed to the edge and pushing back….while also making himself look bad at times to encourage management to make the right decision…
hinrichs wise plan of the last 3 years finally is coming to fruitation…thats right bulls fans, bosh and lebron are coming to chicago, and you can all thank kirk hinrich, his selfless attitdue, his winning mentalilty, his incredible basketball iq, his great defensive tactics against the organizations lame plans, his ability to put himself on the line over and over again and take the constant barrages from the media…only he could have pulled this off, hinrich the ever loyal chicago bull, has guaranteed the bulls the chance to win a championship and start a new dynasty…
so a year from now in grant park, when you see that beautiful banner and golden tropy…remember…Thank You Kirk Hinrich!
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jun 26, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Nice, funny post...
you’re staying with us, right pic?
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
yea
i cant see my self being a fan of another team…throughout the league i have a bunch of different favorite players…but i only have one favorite team…that is the bulls
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jun 26, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I can imagine Pax, ala Bruce Wayne in the latest Batman,
crashing his car into Kirk waiting at an intersection just to make sure he doesn’t leave.
Wtf Colangelo might betray his hometown and help the Nyets get Lebron:
But that description contradicted a Bergen (N.J.) Record report early Saturday in which Jerry Colangelo was touted as the leading candidate to replace Thorn. The report, which hinted that Colangelo could have some role in the Nets’ free-agent visit with James next week in Ohio, rekindled speculation that arose during All-Star weekend in Dallas. At that time, when Prokhorov’s bid for the Nets was still being considered by the NBA’s Board of Governors, Colangelo said he wasn’t pursuing any jobs but would listen if the Nets called. The managing director of USA Basketball, Colangelo would be a key asset in the Nets’ pursuit of James or other free agents from the 2008 Olympic team that won gold in Beijing.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
LeBron is not going to the worst team in the league man
Let's sign LeBron and dance our way to the NBA championship. It'll be so crazy!
They wouldn't be the worst team in tje league with Bron and Bosh
Harris
Williams
Lebron
Bosh/Favors
Lopez/Favors
(I don’t believe it will happen, just sayin, that team would get shit done)
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 26, 2010 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Who would beat that team in the second round? Please tell me
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 26, 2010 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions
lets face it though...
LeBron likes a waiter at Gibsons.
by SoulEater7 on Jun 26, 2010 1:53 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The Celtics probably won't be around anymore
but the Magic definitely wouldn’t lose to them. No doubt they get knocked out before the Finals
by Stacey_Is_King on Jun 26, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that team can beat Orlando
Who do they have to stop Bosh or LBJ then Lopez can help out and Harris can help too.
Have you ever been to Newark? Two years of playing in Newark?
Here’s the danger: New Jersey is the biggest ego trip in the universe. He can take them literally from worst to champion. That’s the pitch – turn us around, and you truly are the undisputed KING.
Damn. That actually might work. Glad they’re going (pitching) first.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Didn't Colamgelo piss off Lebron by
saying that he and others who skipped out on off-season Olympics stuff wouldn’t be welcome at the next Olympics?
yes he did
"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub
bring seven empty trophy cases
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
Best part about this isn't the loss of NYC's glamour advantage:
it’s that it decreases the possibility of JJ as a Bull. The point of JJ, from my thinking, was to draw Lebron. However, if Lebron goes on July 1st or 2nd (take a night to mull it over?), and we sign him, every free agent wants to be with us. We can choose between PFs to round out the roster, maneuver with Deng…
The timing of the great LBJ-fest is much more important than the place. And again: it goes in our favor.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
You guys are too obsessed with Lebron. Seriously.
There are other players on the FA list that could help the team in many different places. Lebron alone won’t help us fill in the gaps.
Chris Broussard podcast on ESPN
The Chicago Bulls are really becoming the power players in this free agency. I’ve said all along Chicago as a great chance to get LeBron James. I felt like and kinda been told Chicago and CLe were the two front runners for his services. But now, after the trade of hinrich, instead of having 20 mil under the cap, they now have 30 mill. That’s enough to offer LeBron James and Chris Bosh, both contracts starting at roughly 15 mill, even a little more then that a year. It’s going to be hard for guys to turn that down. When you look at LeBron James, Chris Bosh, Derrick Rose and Noah, Noah is the perfect role player to go with those guys. He doesn’t need plays ran for him, he’s a hustle guy, an energy guy, and intangible guy, he’s a winner. Noah can get you 14pt and 11 reb without you even running plays for him and disrupting these other guys that need the ball. I just think Chicago as positioned themselves to be the frontrunner in this free agent sweepstakes
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 26, 2010 9:35 AM CDT reply actions 7 recs
What podcast, is there a link?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 26, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
here's the link to the page
the audio is on the left side, it’s actuall under radio on the left side
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 26, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 26, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Wrong. Several championships.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jun 26, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LeBron order of mettings...
1) nets
2) knicks
3) clippers
4 through, say, 8) any other team with a remote shot
now that the long shots are out of the way:
Last three teams:
9) heat
10) bulls*
11) cavs (given last meeting out of respect to the organization)
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 26, 2010 11:52 AM CDT reply actions
Went to "Fear the Sword" looked at 2 comments
Unfortunately, I see LeBron signing with the Bulls. Rose, LeBron, Bosh, and Noah would be the Eastern Conference favorites for the next five years. The question is: Do the Cavs do a sign and trade with the Bulls for say Luol Deng and Brad Miller and draft picks? or do we just let him go and start over?
Be afraid be very afraid!!!
LeBron, Bosh, and Rose are scary for sure. But Noah… meh.
They always continue to underestimate Joakim tsk tsk…
not to mention that next 5 years is an understatement
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 26, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
People never appreciate defensive players
Unless they’re on the team they root for.
i thought culter comming to the bears was huge..
lebron coming to chicago would trump that million times over
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 26, 2010 12:44 PM CDT reply actions
Why would that worry you?
He’s a minority owner of that team. What can he do, promise him a cameo in his next video?
by Stacey_Is_King on Jun 26, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
maverick carter
said they canceled the tour b/c this is all about basketball; i’m not too worried what jay-z brings to the table in terms of a basketball related pitch
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
*about
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
A once in a lifetime experience
It is hard for me to post because this is so huge I don’t want to get too excited. I know I’m not objective but if you care about winning LeBron comes to Chicago. I am hoping he makes a decision relatively quickly; maybe by July 5th. This seems surreal to me. I honestly did not believe we had any chance of getting him until Cleveland lost to Boston. A week from today we will be in the midst of the real craziness.
With Nike?
"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub
no one's going to believe you
when the lies you say physically cannot happen. He’s not allowed to make that much. lol.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Broussard tweets
bulls offered deng to Dallas for Dampier’s non guaranteed contract. Dallas said no thanks.
"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub
but dallas uses wayne winstons stuff, and wayne says deng is like the 5 best player in the league or some crap..
why would they reject that then?
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
"5th best"
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
They fired Winston a while ago
finally figured he was often quite full of it
I gaurantee with 100% certainty the Mavs will do something stupid like trade for Monta Ellis or Rip Hamilton.
That team has been moving backwards in terms of talent acquisition for some time now.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 26, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
guarantee*
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 26, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
damn it please take dang...
O man if we were able to mov deng
bron bosh and JJ holy shit
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 26, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
not sure that would be enough...
considering we have just a little less than enough for 2 max FAs, and Deng only makes 11.3 next year…wouldn’t that leave us needing to free up like 6 million more? What does JJ make? a little less than 2?
good point on lee
and to be perfectly honest i don’t have a tremendous knowledge of the salary cap and how it works…
wouldn’t that point on being able to take back 125% of what you trade only apply in the case of a sign and trade? not a salary dump?
This is good.
This lets us know that they are fighting for more cap room. I would like to think that this means they are targeting Bosh in order to sign him and not settling for JJ.
"You know what Neil, stop being such a sourpuss." - Stacey King
If Bulls get Lebron, then a cheaper free agent in JJ Redick, coupled with D.Rose would fit the offense rather than Joe Johnson
Redick with his deadly outside shot (.439 & .392) would be a nighmare for opposing teams who attempt to double Rose or Lebron.
Plus Redick’s defense is much better since he entered the league
"JustThrewUp."
"TheBullsAreSoSmallTime"
by exult463 on Jun 26, 2010 4:09 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Reddick is a nice fit...............off the bench
"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub
trade deng for cap relief or a good in a S& T for JJ
then my dream team would be complete
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 26, 2010 4:17 PM CDT reply actions
Deng would help the team more, next year and for the next 4, than JJ
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
Having a hard time wrapping my mind around
almost ANY of these scenarios. They’re all just so…big. I can’t process any of it.
New post is up
Nothing different, just a fresh start so the page will be quicker for people. Feel free to keep posting here as you prefer.
http://www.blogabull.com/2010/6/26/1538564/which-teams-are-most-impacted-by#comments
This might sound crazy but...
I know we’re very close to 2 max money spaces. It’s within a couple of million or so. I’ve seen that they’re still shopping Deng around. But here’s a thought. If we think that Deng is actually a good 5th player on the dream roster, why don’t the Bulls see if he’s willing to take a pay cut. It wouldn’t even have to be that much. Like maybe re-sign him to a 5-year $10million a year deal, maybe a little less. Chances are he’d say no. But, at least they’d give him the option of being part of the potential dynasty team. Just thought I’d throw that out there.
we discussed this in another thread
the NBA is not like other leagues where you can re-negotiate a contract. We can add on years for the cheap, but what is signed is signed and what we are paying Deng is what he is going to earn unless we release him from the contract – in which case, he still mostly counts against the cap.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
by dantheman3k on Jun 26, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
there is also a reason why so few teams actually run up a profit
guaranteed contracts are hurting the nba
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
by blackoutsox on Jun 27, 2010 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, but you try to talk the NBA player's union into non-guaranteed contracts
that’s one of those things that once a union gets, they pretty much never give it up.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
by dantheman3k on Jun 27, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
yup but there will be a max length imposed
either 3 or 4 years
"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub
Are you guys saying that all NBA contracts...
are guaranteed? Or just Deng’s? Thanks for the info dan. I didn’t realize NBA contracts were non-renegotiable. Seems kind of crappy. I mean, the player will already get their money if that’s their perogative. But, to not allow flexibility for a player to take a pay cut to stay with their team of choice seems crappy. Especially considering how the cap changes from year to year and affects roster changes, particularly this year.
all NBA contracts are guaranteed
even when they release a player, they agree to pay nearly in full of his contract – or, what usually happens is, they end up having to pay something like half of the contract they had if/when someone else signs them. It’s truly a horrible and stupid system, and I don’t know all the particulars, but I do know that you cannot change a contract as it is (which is why you don’t have any hold outs in the NBA like you do in the NFL), and I do know that releasing someone still counts against the cap (which is why expiring contracts are trade bait, no matter how awful the contract or player is.)
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
by dantheman3k on Jun 27, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, there are non-guaranteed contracts, but it has to be specified in the contract itself
There are also partially guaranteed contracts. Otherwise a team is on the hook for the full contract amount unless they negotiate a buyout and release the guy. And yes, the buyout still counts against the cap.
This feels a LOT like the Torri Hunter situation.
God, I hope it turns out differently this time around.
I gangbang so hard, it would bring back curls.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 27, 2010 2:43 PM CDT reply actions
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