The Bulls traded Kirk Hinrich
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 25, 2010 12:00 AM CDT
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PrintThe biggest implications of the proposed (let's assume it goes through, for sanity's sake) trade, using #17 to dump Kirk Hinrich's contract on the Wizards, is obviously the added cap space. Subtracting his contract, plus no cap hold for that first rounder, and the Bulls can now afford 2 (ish) max (ish) free agents (maxes are different, thus the 'ish'-es) this summer.
Immediately, it suggests the Bulls really do believe they're in play for LeBron James. But I think this is a more accurate predictor of the Bulls signing Joe Johnson. It was a bit curious that KC Johnson mentioned the Bulls interest in Joe Johnson early Thursday in print and on the radio, and specifically the possibility of them striking a deal early. By now it's been well reported the relationship between Jerry Reinsdorf and Johnson's agent Arn Tellem, and it's not hard to imagine a deal already being discussed.
But if it happens, that's now not the apocalyptic scenario that it would've been seen as recent as that morning, since Hinrich's money is now off the books. If Johnson is signed, hopefully not at max dollars, he won't be the only piece that the 2010 plan produced, but merely the first. And hopefully one that's mere presence can help recruit others, like LeBron or Bosh.
And unlike some more drastic measures (like a similar deal with Deng), the opportunity cost of this cap-saving move is low...just Hinrich. Yet that's the most fascinating thing about this deal if you're a long-time Bulls fan: not the cap space, not the LeBron dreams, but that the Bulls finally traded Kirk Hinrich.
He's been rumored to have been traded seemingly since he's been drafted, but certainly since his awful '07-'08 season (not that he was the only one) leading to the drafting of his replacement in Derrick Rose. But what seemed like a no-brainer candidate to be traded, wasn't. For 2 years. And it reinforced all my predeceived notions (as VDN would say) about the Org. and their tenets: loyalty over performance, grit over skills, hustle over talent. And Hinrich over Gordon.
Nearly a year ago, I had the exact opposite feeling about this teams free agency plans and the cost of it. It involved cutting future payroll for cap flexibility, which was an understandable concept, but executed in a way that never sat well with me. They seemed to pick who stayed and who went based (I believe) on the aforementioned ideals of the Org., or just who Reinsdorf 'liked'. If the stated plan was to build through free agency, it never made sense to have a player making $9m who was backing up your current best player, and it made the whole 'plan' seem like not much of one at all. Gordon, Tyrus Thomas, even John Salmons sent out the door, yet the Bulls couldn't pull the trigger to send out Kirk Hinrich? I won't deny this resentment bordered on being irrational (I was only half kidding about believing a jersey retirement ceremony was in his future), but even if the Bulls had a successful free agency, I'd still question why Hinrich got to stay instead of the others.
But now both Gordon and Hinrich are gone, and it is a sense of closure. The deal of Salmons midseason was the first real step in the 2010 plan, what guaranteed one max slot of cap room. But this trade really makes it serious. It still will require luck, and they've already had a healthy dose with the Cavs flaming out of the playoffs and the Raptors not even getting that far, but this shows the type of serious dedication to free agency that I've been waiting for. A real plan.
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What happened to the org that signed Noce, Kirk and Loul to generous deals?
This does not seem like the same organization that it was a couple of years ago. I’m sold, the Bulls have changed the way I think about them. Loul is next if “The King” signs on the dotted line. This summer is going to be big!
Bosh 2010!!!!!
1st Thibs and now this? This is where amazing happens.
Bosh 2010!!!!!
by illwill on Jun 25, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
This actually makes me think that Gar is in charge of something.
I mean, that is the only outward difference that we know of and the Bulls are doing things they should have, but never seemed to be able to. I think it is why Paul Allen just fired Pritchard. He and Pax got to attached, so someone else had to come in and do what was best for the franchise.
by Unrealcity on Jun 25, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
HahA I was just going to write this
I believe JR had nothing to do with Kirk not being moved, it was all paxson. At mid season I think paxson still was running most of the show so Hinrich didn’t get moved. Hinrich represented the start of the paxson era as GM and now the end of that era. Gars churn now.
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by J Theory on Jun 25, 2010 6:14 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah, but the team still may sign the next "Jalen Rose"...Joe Johnson
…the Hawks horrible play in the playoffs was not encouraging
by KentuckyBullsFan on Jun 25, 2010 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions
A lot of the blame
For Joe Johnson’s playoff performance has to fall on the coaching… the asked him to create in isolation pretty much every play. That really never works in the playoffs, it was a more egregious example of what Mike Brown did with Lebron.
If Joe Johnson comes here, with Lebron and Rose… he won’t be relied upon to create as much.
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repost: Why do I not see more outrage about this JJ stuff?
It’s a lot easier to find a shooter than a quality PF, which there are 3 of available, how do you not go after one? You go for JJ if Lebron passes. Taj Gibson as the starting power forward worries me.
by The90sBullsRevival on Jun 25, 2010 12:07 AM CDT reply actions
I would still want Bosh, but I really think Taj will improve and be a least a solid NBA starter.
After Bosh then PF list falls off. STAT (Knees), Boozer (Back) and Lee (Overrated). I would rather the Bulls sign Gooden to back up Taj than sign STAT to a max.
Bosh 2010!!!!!
Please NO!!!!!!!!!! Not Gooden.
And Lee isn’t overrated. I think he is being rated just about right. Really good rebounder and good pick and pop guy who can’t defend, just like Boozer and Stat. He has less “star” potential than the other two, but is also less injury prone as the other two. Plus, he won’t get a max deal and he isn’t expecting one. I much rather have him than Joe Johnson.
by Unrealcity on Jun 25, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
What the heck are you smoking?
Taj will improve and be a least a solid NBA starter.
Taj at best is a good rotation player…if he is our 7th or 8th rotation player we’re in good shape. If he is your starter and Bron isn’t on your team we’re out before the second round again.
you are aware Taj has been a rookie, right?
While I know he’s not a solid starter yet, I think it’s not a huge jump of faith to think he may one day become a decent starter.
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by dantheman3k on Jun 25, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I am aware he was a rookie
Are you aware he’s 25? Sure, he’ll get stronger and (most likely) raise his basketball IQ, but how much BETTER do you really think he’s going to get? We’re not talking about a raw talent here.
You guys act like all five starters have to be allstars
This isn’t NBA Live
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Of course not
If we get Bron, sure Taj can start and we’d be ok. But if Taj is a top 5 guy in your rotation without Bron, we’re not a contender.
Taj will be significantly more effective next year
Simply as a result of getting the benefit of the doubt on foul calls more often.
Brad Miller is god.
you kno Taj
actually started some game..and was good. Like surprising good (as a rookie!)
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
its just more realistic
I think as much as we all give JJ shit, hes a talented SG and a real good shooter, I could see a scenario where hes no longer the number 1 guy and that pressure release allows him the shine a little more, hes just not a #1 guy, which is why he should really get max. but is a reason why hes a killer addition next to Rose assuming you get LeBron\Bosh etc
ESPN Insider rates JJ's true value at 4 years for $52 mil.
So if this deal was in place, it wouldn’t be over paying that much, only a couple mil a year. But they also say that the Bulls would be a “less than ideal” team for JJ.
by Unrealcity on Jun 25, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I really don't see how JJ is not ideal
I know he handles the ball a lot, but that also had a lot to do with the offense Atlanta ran. I think he can play off the ball well, just as he did in Phoenix. He is a lights out shooter when he has some space and has good passing ability. I would rather not sig a 28-year-old who has an awkward personality and playoff dissapearing act, but I think a lot of the negatives surround JJohnson had a lot to do with the fact that his time in A-town had run its course.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 25, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He is ball dominate and worse, he is a ball stopper.
He gets the ball and starts playing one on one. If we want LBJ on the team, he already does that enough, and he is the best player in the game. We don’t need two guys trying to go iso all the time. And Rose seems to coast when someone like that tries to do their thing. First BG. Then Salmons. Then even Pargo at times. That is where is “deferrentialness” seems to really show itself. He needs to tell people where to go instead of hand off the rock to a one on one guy.
What I was saying, though
Is that I do not think that is Joe Johnson’s game. He was forced into that role because Atlant never had a legitimate PG. Ontop of that, the offense they ran ASKED Joe Johnson to dominate the ball. I’m sure we can utilize his talents without him dominating the ball. Iguodola or Maggette, on the other hand, their natural tendencey is to fuck up the flow of a game.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 25, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Rythm is a better word than flow... here
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 25, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
OK, I'll give you that as a possibility, but that doesn't change the fact that most SG's his age and type fall off a cliff in about a year or two.
I mean a huge cliff.
by Unrealcity on Jun 25, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
THere's been a lot of speculation about this
and I am legitimately worried. But then again, he was an all-star last year on a very good team that relied on his talents for scoring.
He doesn’t get injured that much and he has much more athletic ability than Redd ever did.
I think we all forget he’s still only 28. When his contract is up, he’ll only be 32. 33 is when things start to get shaky. At 32, he’ll only be a a year and a half older than Salmons is now. Not bad for an elite level free agent’s contract.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 25, 2010 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions
That's fine, but he was horrible when he wasn't the man.
When he played with Nash, w/ his second best shooting year and his second best rebounding year (2nd by the slimmest of margins), he had a 15.1 PER. It took the huge jump in him being the main man and getting assists to make him a legitimate player.
He’s horrible.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
He's not horrible
but he’s just a rich man’s John Salmons in my book (albeit a better passer).
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 25, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just hate signing JJ because
We’re paying for the parts of him that we wouldn’t need with Bron. All we need is a someone that can defend the perimeter and take wide open shots, which would cost significantly less than JJ.
by diedaily23 on Jun 25, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
JJ or Salmons
Frankly, I’d rather pay Salmons. I think JJ will need the ball way too much.
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by NBA Observer on Jun 25, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
right...
And since we didn’t draft one, we literally don’t have a SG now. We at least have Taj. And shooter’s aren’t that hard to fine, but they don’t play for the minimum.
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by kidronmusic on Jun 25, 2010 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Taj will improve.
People forget this guy was a rookie who averaged 9 and 7.5 and a block in 26 mins. If he adds 10 to 15 lbs of muscle, works on his free-throws and keep improving that mid-range game he could be at least a 14ppg 10rpg and 2bpg player.
Bosh 2010!!!!!
by illwill on Jun 25, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
add in some good coaching and he should naturally progress even if his body doesn't.
I didn’t like the Taj pick last year, but it doesn’t look too bad after this year and right now.
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by dantheman3k on Jun 25, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Taj will be hard-pressed to add good weight to that lanky frame
I think we are just going to have to deal with wiry strength from him. I see like a slightly poor man’s Marcus Camby at the PF position.
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by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 25, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Might need some creatine
and Euro Training
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by WalmartSecurity on Jun 25, 2010 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions
theres a good list of players you go after before JJ if Lebron passes
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
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by blackoutsox on Jun 25, 2010 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Who Lee? Remember this is under the assumption that Bosh goes to Miami.
Read the tagline playa “Bosh 2010!!!!”
Bosh 2010!!!!!
i'm not assuming that
Bulls could sign JJ and Bosh could come here and still be thought of as ‘the man’, and on a really good team.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 25, 2010 12:22 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
That was my thought too.
Bosh might really love the idea of coming to the Bulls with Joe Johnson cause he’ll be the centerpiece
by Option27 on Jun 25, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Except for that Derrick Rose guy
Being the actual centerpiece
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
by Yibs on Jun 25, 2010 12:54 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
He doesn't act like a centerpiece
So we can make Bosh make believe that he is our guy. He’d buy it.
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by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 25, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
exactly
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 25, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's possible. But he's shown a lot of love
for LeBron lately. I wonder how that factors into the decision.
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by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 25, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the idea is that JJ is a sure thing that improves your LeBron odds.
Obviously I want Bosh 1st, Lee 2nd, and Amare 3rd, but if you think those guys are leaning towards signing elsewhere you can say when LeBron gets to Chicago for his visit “We already have Rose, Noah, Deng, and Taj, and we’re working out a deal with JJ as we speak.” That’s a real tough sell to turn down.
So why not work something out with a PF instead.
If I were LBJ, I would think that Bosh or even Stat would be more welcome than JJ.
by Unrealcity on Jun 25, 2010 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
But the idea is that those players wouldn’t be sure things right off the bat. Maybe David Lee could be, but I imagine JJ would be a sexier option for LeBron. The goal seems to be to present a five-man core (2 All-stars, 2 above average starters, and one above average role player), that LeBron can imagine himself instantly winning a title with.
by jpm356 on Jun 25, 2010 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If shooting guards are so easy to find,
why haven’t we found the MSGWCSAD for the last two decades?
And this stuff isn’t in a vaccuum. JJ is friends with Lebron (who’s said publically he wants to play with him) and Bosh. He’s an ENORMOUS recruiting chip.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Well...
We had a pretty good MSGWCSAD in the late 90’s. So, it’s been more like 12 years. Actually, that guy was more of a M2GWCSADAFAPUALATDTSC….
Which is a Mythical Two Guard Who Can Shoot And Defend And Fly And Post Up And Lead A Dynasty To Several Championships….
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tell me about it, I'd take ray allen for non-max and two year contract over Joe "not a great outside shot" Johnson
Allen maybe 35 years, old, but this dude doesn’t eat beef or hamburgers and takes care of his body. Therefore, he effectively has a body conditioning of a guy 5 or 6 years younger..
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by exult463 on Jun 25, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice write up
Bulls with no Kirk will be strange. but indeed If it brings us the ability to construct a championship contending team, Im behinf it, and the Org seem to be really having a run at this. For the first time in quite some time I feel confident about the Bulls future.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 12:10 AM CDT reply actions 10 recs
I thought, when it happened, it would be a let down.
I was so wrong.
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i still think it's fake lol
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by tyrus4prez on Jun 25, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Next year who's our captain's?
Rose and Noah? Or do we bestow that honor on our new “best player” in Bron or Bosh?
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Cleveland would hate us so much.
it’d… be… AWESOME.
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by dantheman3k on Jun 25, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can't forget Lindsey Hunter
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 25, 2010 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions
hmm
I guess Id like it to be Rose, but does he have it in him?
With a new coach and possible new look roster, I say its WIDE open, doesn’t really need to be current player, I say after free agency is all said and done Thibs starts up training camp and gives it to whoever wants it more, by being vocal,showing a good work ethic, buying into the program and helping player around him. may seem obvious, but I guess what I’m getting at is not just to give it automatically to the highest paid player etc
This is will be a new Bulls team, Thibodeau’s Bulls
All bets are off.
Now the bulls have to wait until july 8
There is one undrafted player i would like the bulls to sign and that’s A.J.Ogilvy, he has a nice post game and has a nice jumper
Matt, Tyger
I remember about two years ago having an epic (to me) argument, with me wanting to go hard for 2010 and you guys thinking that was a terrible idea…
I’m about a week and a half away from the “I told you so” that I’ve been waiting for…
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I was all in for 2010.
That was the base of my hatred for Deng and Kirk oh and that they are mental midgets is what I think I used to say.
i think ill be more excited over the signing
Than remembering whatever you wrote whenever you wrote it. I’ll never go on your podcast with that attitude.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 25, 2010 12:20 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
hahahaha,
I was getting bored with the “lull” in the Bulls news about three days ago and started going through the archives. I honestly enjoy reading old Blogabull as much as current Blogabull. It’s pretty obvious that there’s always something worth arguing about, and usually, everybody is more than a little wrong.
Ha, I’ll get you on the podcast one day, I’m still too new and not ready for you yet. But you should hook up with Thonus for one soon, I think that’d be a good listen.
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by kidronmusic on Jun 25, 2010 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
He better get on there quick, Doug sounded like he was about to die in the last one
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions
haha,
I have no idea why he records those while driving. I’m always waiting for him to rear end some old lady in the middle of a podcast…
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heh... rear end an old lady...
I didn’t even do that on purpose…
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by kidronmusic on Jun 25, 2010 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't you hate
when your malaprops are better than your jokes?
by California Al on Jun 25, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was more referring to the mad coughing fits he was having, but yea, the car recordings are pretty funny
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...
Sorry, I knew you what you meant, I just took it another route.
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as I remeber you wanted to go all in
I don’t think the Bulls would be so attractive without 2 strongs series on the playoffs
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 25, 2010 5:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd still rather have Gordon & Deng...
then sign James, then use Deng in a sign & trade or just a straight salary dump post July 8.
I’d like Rose, Gordon, James, Bosh, Noah a lot more than Rose, Johnson, James, Gibson, Noah.
Think of it this way. They keep Gordon this past year. They finish 5th or 6th in the standings. They do this same deal with Hinrich. Bam, same max-player cap space. Bulls “core” includes Rose, Gordon, Deng, Gibson, Noah w/ max cap space. Sign Bosh? contender. Sign James? Favorite. Sign James, sign-and-trade Deng for Bosh? Rose, Gordon, James, Bosh, Noah—Gibson, Asik, James Johnson, whatever. Dynasty.
It’s still better to keep your assets.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 25, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Couldn't agree more
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 25, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
in this scenario
how do you afford 2 max contracts? I don’t think unloading Deng is as easy as you dream it to be for Bosh, here.
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Toronto needs a SF.
If they want to be any kind of relevant, they need to bring in talent. And honestly, in this scenario, I would almost GLADLY take back Hedo’s contract to get Bosh. Seriously, having that starting lineup and Hedo off the bench is more than okay for me.
And still, you don’t have to get rid of Deng. If Bosh wanted to come to Chicago, and Toronto wanted James Johnson and/or Taj Gibson and/or future picks or whatever, hand ‘em over. It’s not a foregone conclusion, of course, but neither is getting James or Joe Johnson right now.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Do you think Hedo can play SG?
If he can, I’d take him back to get Bosh.
Rose
Hedo
Lebron
Bosh
Noah
We don’t have enough salary to send back. We could just trade Deng for Hedo and another player.
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by NBA Observer on Jun 25, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't put Turkoglu anywhere near the starting lineup.
And in that scenario, they still had Ben Gordon.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
yup, I still wouldn't have gone this route
but I’m pleased that they’re going about this route in a better way now.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 25, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
With Kirk's space
I think the Deng to Orland trade makes even more sense. If we get Gortat and Pietrus, we can trade Gortat, James Johnson, and a pick to Toronto for Bosh and only cut 9 million into our cap space. With the remaining 21 or 22 million, we get JJohnson sigh and some decent SF… like Korver.
Noah – Asik? Miller?
Bosh – Gibson
Pietrus – Krover
Johnson – ?
Rose – ?
Once you fill out those question marks, you have a contender.
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by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 25, 2010 12:22 AM CDT reply actions
I kind of feel the same way
But I also see LeBron out of the picture, too. He is going to demand an inside presence that can score. I really wish we made a play for Jason Thompson.
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by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 25, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions
you really think Lebron's going to demand that?
Lebron just came from a Cleveland team that’s inside presence’s knees could barely hold its bodyweight.
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by dantheman3k on Jun 25, 2010 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
although I should note,
even though I see Bosh is clearly waiting for Lebron, I think bosh is mostly out of our picture.
I foresee it going down like this:
Bulls sign Joe Johnson like, day 1, on the instant, clearly a tampering thing that just won’t get punished. lol
about a 7 day lull of news
Lebron signs with the Bulls.
Bosh tells Toronto he wants to go to the Heat or the Bulls
the Heat have nothing to offer
the bulls somehow blow it anyway, Bosh goes to the Bulls
the Knicks resign David Lee and cry
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by dantheman3k on Jun 25, 2010 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
well, its not that I view Bosh as out of it,
its that I view JJ as in it.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
do yourself a favor and dont quit your day job
predicting the future is not your strong suit, just saying…..
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by chi_till_eye_die on Jun 25, 2010 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions
does that mean if Bosh signs with someone other than Chicago,
I can quit my day job and you can get off my damn back?
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Doesn't matter if you guessed correctly or not
The fact is you have nothing to back up what you’re saying besides your “feelings”.
I don't know WHAT LeBron's demands will be...
But Antawn Jamison, O’neal, Z, and Hickson still reside in Cleveland and he doesn’t seem too impressed.
He needs someon down low who can score off the low block and also hit a mid range jumpshot. That sounds like Amare, and to a lesser degree, Bosh.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 25, 2010 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
He's going to demand a team that's good.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2010 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
For someone who hates the NBA and thinks it's rigged you suuuuuuuuuuuuuure love to post here.
We love you too!
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions
The iluminati actually.
And Colonel Sanders before he went tets up! Oh, I hated the Colonel with his wee beaty eyes. Oh, you’re gonna eat my chicken!
Whoever said I was so hung on Luol Deng?
If he’s traded for something that makes sense, I’m all for it.
I don’t have some sort of man crush on him.
I’ll weep if we trade Noah or Rose. Deng? Not so much
Right.
There just seems to be way too much hate sent Luol’s way. 18 and 7 is not something to throw away for nothing. We should at least get a journeyman SG or something along with cap space.
So much denial, a classic example of a
Closet Deng-humper
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 25, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha
Show me your Lu-OOOOL face
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 25, 2010 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions
but theres amare, boozer
they’d both be awesome with Rose and whoever else
by The90sBullsRevival on Jun 25, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Nah...I think this trades that. In fact, we might have just become
the perfect place for Bosh, especially after we sign JJ, and with Thibs (clearly! – swoon) saying we’re going to be an inside-out team. Oh, and all of the sudden there was Bosh on the radio, talking about what a cool guy Noah is, how he loves to hang out with him….
I’d be thrilled to death with JJ/Bosh.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Yeah but I'd still wait for Lebron (or Bosh) to sign to make that move
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 25, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Let's sign Paul Pierce to a max contract, sign Ray Allen, then trade for Kevin Garnett.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2010 12:28 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Because
Ray doesn’t like the Cubs OR the White Sox.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 25, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
This would be horrible if this trade doesn't go through
Because K.C. is playing like it’s not a done deal
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 25, 2010 12:36 AM CDT reply actions
and also we sent cash in the Kirk deal?
is that to pay a portion of Kirk’s contract?
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 25, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Kirk would have to fail a physical or something
The worst injury he ever had was to his hand, but somehow it’ll come out that he has a heart flutter and needs a back-e-otomy
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 25, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
"He had sex with my mama!!"
by AFireInside661 on Jun 25, 2010 10:43 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
KC seems to be a person who is overly cautious and conservative.
He is hedging his bets in the exact opposite way than all the ESPN guys who write about pure conjecture as fact and never apologize when it is totally debunked 3 hours later.
Say the deal doesn't go through......
I understand that drafting SG or BPA would have been the plan, but is Serephin really that big of a disaster if we have to keep him?
Pre-draft, while not my favorite, I actually thought he looked good.
We're not keeping him.
The Wizards would be blacklisted from other trades with other franchises if they backed out.
There is a backup trade
with the Sacramento Kings
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 25, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions
several press outlets have since debunked that
one place reported the Kings also agreed to a deal like that if the Wizards fell through, and then several said the Kings did not.
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I'll miss the guy.
I feel bad that he was in charge of “teaching” Derrick, now he’s gotta do the same stuff with Wall. He deserves to play for a contender at some point during his career.
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 25, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was really hoping he would be sent to LA (Lakers) where he could have helped them win the title.
I like Kirk, JR just gave him a ridiculous contract for what he is as a player so he had to go.
exactly what i've been thinking all season
With kirk instead of d fish, wow the lakers woulda been lockdown. Crazy when i first started bloggin here over 3 years ago i hated hinrich starting pg but i loved him lately at sg. Guy never backed down and always played his ass off, plus he punked rondo’s ass. Im gunna miss my favorite white guy.(respectfully said)
by AFireInside661 on Jun 25, 2010 10:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I would bet he does
Wizards aren’t competing this year. Saying he’ll be a good mentor is just a way to explain it to fans. They’ll probably move him at the deadline.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 25, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Should the Bulls move Deng for Pietrus and Gortat
once we get LeBron? I would just for the depth aspect.
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 25, 2010 12:44 AM CDT reply actions
I still have mixed feelings on it
but I certainly wouldn’t feel bad about the team either way… if (and when?) Lebron signs.
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by dantheman3k on Jun 25, 2010 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions
me2
And Pietrus can shoot the 3, and Gortat would be a regular in rotation. We don’t need another cutter in Deng. And he wont get the minutes with bron bron at SF
Gortat is more valuable
We can always move him or Asik for another piece later.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 25, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking we could move him for Al Jefferson if we get Joe Johnson and LeBron (seems the most likely out of the good things that can happen.
Rose/Duhon!
Johnson/Whoever
LeBron/James Johnson
Jefferson/Taj
Noah/Asic
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 25, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
If we do get Lebron, I say yes
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 25, 2010 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Brian Windhorst with the ridiculous tweet of the night:
PDcavsinside This is modern NBA: Bulls literally give away one of best players, 1st rounder & $3 million for nothing in return. And they’re cheered.
He can’t be that stupid and short sighted can he? Also, this is the first I’ve heard of the Bulls sending $3 mil, was that reported earlier.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 12:45 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
its called sour grapes.
They know they are losing bron bron, and that Kirk is the one of the final moves to ensure it.
we are giving away the money
if he thinks Hinrich is one of our best players then he did not watch much Bulls basketball. That hasn’t been a true statement for like 4 years
JR is spending like there is no tomorrow
Bring it on!
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 25, 2010 5:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Good to hear, shows the Bulls aren't messin around
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Can you link to KC's report?
Is that 3 million in cash we sent to the Wiz?
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 25, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah i'm confused as well...
who got the 3 mil?
by Scottie's Nose on Jun 25, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
yesterday it was going to the wiz
today both the Cavs beat guy and KC said the Bulls paid.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 25, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
because he mistweeted.
its the other way around. We gave away Kirk, a 1st rounder, and got cap relief & 3 mill.
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by dantheman3k on Jun 25, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
No we gave up the $3 mil
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 25, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
"This is modern NBA"
Yes, because you’re supposed homegrown super loyal franchise player took the shorter 4 year deal in order to cause such an incredible hoopla this summer. Now other teams are looking for some action, and we’re supposed to feel sorry for the team that egregiously tanked for James in the first place?
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2010 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, what a head scratcher.
“one of our best players.” The only worse player on the roster, at this point, was JJ. But yes, he was our fourth “best”.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Kirk Hinrich is one of the Bulls' best players? That's news to me.
They have 6 players under contract, 3 of whom are better than Kirk. Rose, Deng, and Noah are all better than Kirk.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 25, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions
They had*
no longer 6, only 5.
So long, Kirk!
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 25, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
if we come away from all of this with only
Joe Johnson to show for it in 14 days you will be singing a different tune
I don't know if Taj's butter fingers
will be able to hold onto those line drive passes from the king
I read that earlier, and I must say it is dumb as hell
I don’t get it, Grunfeld isn’t supposed to make that deal because he was once involved with the Knicks? Is this the NBA or the WWE?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Stephen A. Smith is jumping off the NEW YAWK KNICKS bandwagon:
@stephenasmith Do you think Knicks remain favorite with the bulls getting the extra cap room? p.s. u da man
stephenasmith @thearistocracy No Sir. Knicks may be in trouble now. Both Chicago and Miami have enough now for 2 Max players
Quite frankly, that’s good to hear.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 12:52 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
He also said
Folks, I have news for you: The Miami Heat STOLE the evening. They drafted well and cleared $43 mil in cap space.
Three good prospects:
Pittman, Varnado, D. Butler, and somebody I never heard of. Here’s the best part – none of them, save Butler, are ready to contribute. They’re all raw as hell. And this is how they’re going to round out their roster? If they want to go “young talent” versus the bulls, we crush them mercilessly. Line up all the second round picks you want, boys.
The only thing that got stolen last night was the microphone from that jackal’s mouth when the Bulls became the clear favorites to land Lebron.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
There's a reason you've never heard of the last guy
He was the first guy ever to not academically qualify for the NCAA, skip it, play in the NBADL for a year, and then get drafted.
And I don’t think the Heat drafted particularly well given what they had. Clearing the cap was impressive and worrisome, though.
Considering that their whole point was to come out of it with no cap hit going into FA
hard to say they bombed. Most second rounders don’t make the team anyway, especially the really late picks. If a couple of those guys can stick, Miami filled the end of the bench for cheap. If not, who cares? The fill it up with cheap vets instead.
If they bomb in free agency, nothing they could have done in the draft instead will compensate.
Those guys were all seniors
How do you figure they are all ‘raw’? The other guy you never hear of, Latavious Williams, played in the D-League last year instead of going to college. That’s actually not bad for likely end of the bench, second round picks.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
what?
you mean the D-Leaguer averaging 7.7 points and 7.7 rebounds this past season for the Tulsa 66ers. bah!
Maybe she is saying
You come to Chicago and I’m back
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 25, 2010 5:56 AM CDT up reply actions
If Oprah can't convince LBJ to join the Bulls
maybe we can convince her to make a career change and be Taj’s backup at PF. According to a recent issue of the National Enquirer she’s currently packing close to 250 pounds and would provide some much needed bulk in the paint ala Charles Barkley.
If we wind up with JJ instead of LBJ it will be even more depressing than being a Cub fan.
I wonder if any stats geeks could clarify what dollar impact bringing Asik in this season have on our chances of signing two max free agents? His agility and shot blocking skills should flourish under Thibodeau if his press clippings are accurate assuming he can remain injury free.
Until LeBron is spreading his talcum powder all over Neil Funk’s wardrobe, I find it difficult to be as optimistic as most Bab dreamers seem to be regarding being immediate contenders due to the imminent parting of Captain Thrust. His defense will be missed but not his salary.
If we get God willing, Bosh instead of Johnson, how much will be left to sign some guards? Please no more Pargo but who is out there that will work cheap and hit a three with any consistency? Damn, it seems like the Bulls are targeting JJ as their first free agent signing. Watching him choke in the playoffs and demand a mega contract at his age doesn’t send a tingle up my leg. Can we get Miller by trading our own JJ or Taj if we can sign an all star 4?
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by Tyrusmancrush on Jun 25, 2010 2:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Khalid El-Amin, Corey Benjamin, Mark Bryant
Brent Barry… oh wait, this isn’t 1999. We actually can get guys that can PLAY basketball.
In that case, Brad Miller, who gives a fuck, and who gives a fuck’s brother. We can use the mid level exception next year to get another legitimate player.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 25, 2010 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Haley... out of retirement
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 25, 2010 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind Murray coming back
Or Acie Law, he makes a good 12th man.
I wouldn't mind Law coming backing back as well
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Yeah, I would really like Acie back.
But I am expecting more like Bryars and someone who went undrafted and maybe resign Richards. Flip can get a couple mil somewhere, so he’s gone. Same with Hakim.
Even IF we get LeBron and Bosh
This off season will be a failure if we dont get rid of Pargo.
lol
by mrdope on Jun 25, 2010 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Scottie Pippen
To mentor LeBron on winning, not marketing
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by WalmartSecurity on Jun 25, 2010 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I hate this rumour
That the Bulls are considering bringing Duhon back as a backup. NO MORE DUHON. I hate Chris f-ing Duhon…..I don’t care if we get Lebron and Bosh, I don’t want Duhon….
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
AHHHHH
Seriously. Go young. We need backups that can actually shoot and will shoot when they’re open. There’s no reason we can’t find a Marcus Thornton or Eric Maynor out there.
Just say no to retreads.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
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by NBA Observer on Jun 25, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Duhon is a name that's out there right now. That'd be a solid get to backup Rose and it'd be "loyal" (suck it, Wade).
Brad might come back for the minimum to chase a ring and because he loves Chicago and his teammates.
I don’t know if Asik is going to be coming for the minimum, but he’s been at the Berto working out, which makes me suspect that I’m wrong about him not signing for the minimum OR that the Bulls aren’t done dealing.
Joe Smith, maybe?
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 25, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if Kirk has a piece of paper somewhere around his house from his days as a kid that reads
by Option27 on Jun 25, 2010 1:16 AM CDT reply actions 9 recs
LOL, nice
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions
thats just cold blooded
funny, but cold blooded……way to shart on a guys youthful dream come true
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by chi_till_eye_die on Jun 25, 2010 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions
It's going to suck trying to sell that French Manor in this market.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 25, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
True
DC market is a huge rip off too.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 25, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus, his family is in the midwest
And he’s only got 2 years left on the deal anyway, with a good possibility of another trade before it ends, so why buy in DC?
prediction: he won't be there the entire two years
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I have a feeling he
may be back in Chicago before he ends his career. I don’t see him selling his home.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Ouch, lol
I wonder how Kirk reacted to the news…
by Sir Buckets on Jun 25, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Really? Hell no?
I’m not factoring ring chasers, because it’s too hard to predict which players will be cut half way through the season, or which rich former allstar decides he has enough money…
But out of the players that we can say with fair certainty will be in the ball park of a min contract, I’ll take a guy who has already played here, is a good guy, no trouble in the locker room, has some veteran instincts and can hit an open 15 footer.
I think that people are overrating the potential of minimum contract signings.
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I'd like Smith & Shaq for out big man depth
I don’t know who says hell no to a guy making the minimum
by Grinder in Training on Jun 25, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes to Smith, no to Shaq.
First, Shaq won’t sign a min. deal. And second, he won’t come off the bench behind Noah. He has too big of an ego. And he is not the right character guy that we would want on a Tom Thibodeau coached team.
I'd rather have a d-leaguer
I think Joe proved in Atlanta that he’s toast.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 25, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Ya never know...
Kirk could always come back once his contract is up! Ya never know… Not to rain on the goodbye Kirk parade, we are having a parade for this yeah?
by KDS22 on Jun 25, 2010 1:35 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
yea, right after the welcome home d wade parade, and the youve come a long way baby james parade lol
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by chi_till_eye_die on Jun 25, 2010 1:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I think everyone would be fine with Kurt back
For the MLE.
They should...
He could have Kurt teach John Wall how to play with thrust.
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Regarding Joe Johnson...
even if the Bulls want him, why would they work something out on the first day of free agency? Wouldn’t they at least wait to see how it shakes out, especially if LeBron is the ultimate prize?
Just seems like they shouldn’t play one of their hands so quickly. Wait it out. Johnson won’t be going anywhere.
Joe Johnson may not be great as Wade or James
but he still is a 25/5/5 player. He will go somewhere at some point. Besides we will need a SG
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 25, 2010 6:01 AM CDT up reply actions
That's fine. He fills a spot.
I just don’t understand why they would secure Johnson on the first day even if they want him that bad. LeBron is the ultimate prize, they should at least wait to see what he thinks about JJ before blowing part of their load on him.
Why play one of your hands if it means you may have shot yourself in the foot in regard to the real prize?
Because if we strike fast and first, we might get him for less than a Max Deal.
I’m not a JJ fan, but if we get him starting at 13 mil and then can talk to Lebron with Rose, JJ, Deng, Taj, Noah, I have to admit that looks pretty good to a free agent.
The Bulls also were believed to have sent cash to the Wizards, suggesting the Bulls aren’t backing off or sparing any expense in their pursuit of top free agents.
I didn't know that
Some top free agents, like David Lee, don’t require a $16.5 million starting salary because they have fewer years. Lee would start a deal at about $12 million, so he’s a possibility as well with James for both to get the full maximum available for players leaving their teams.
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 25, 2010 6:07 AM CDT up reply actions
That is very encouraging. I can't see 'Dorf signing on for that unless it was to clear space for a BIG move.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 25, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
well, it's a big move still to not pay for the pick or Hinrich for the next 2 years
this is a solid reinsdorf plan: even if it fails, it succeeds
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 25, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh, yfBB your cynicism is undeniable. I thought I had cynicism to match it, but I don't. Even I'm on the FO bandwagon
at the moment.
Paying draft picks is not a bad thing, they are often underpaid relative to their contributions and Hinrich’s money is going to get spent somewhere for the next two years.
Fact is, they just coughed up 3 million in anticipation of making a big move.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 25, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Went to bulls.com...
the captain is again the photo attached with the season ticket link. Might be fitting though…since the trade may be the final piece of the LeBron puzzle and season tix being scooped up in a couple of weeks.
lol
Paxson must be in a dark corner crying his eyes out…. or moving to Washington
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 25, 2010 6:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Broussard continued pimping the Bulls on espn radio this morning...
called the Bulls the overwhelming favorites to land LeBron after clearing the Kurt Cash. Also said he’s heard from LeBron’s camp that he wants to be on a team that can win 7 titles in 10 years (hmmm, one more than 6, I wonder why). I’m sure that’s just speculation though.
Unfortunately, I don’t think Broussard is as aware of the Bulls apparent love for Joe Johnson. He gives more credence to Bosh and Bron going to Bulls…and talks as if that is the Bulls number one priority, which doesn’t appear to be the case. Seems like JJ and Bron are what they may be shooting for.
This is clearly a two horse race between Miami and Chicago now (unless Cleveland somehow pulls off a miracle deal to get Bosh in a sign and trade, or Paul gets traded somewhere).
by bleigh82 on Jun 25, 2010 7:59 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
i think if you ask any player
they will say they want to win alot of championships.
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
Yes. Of course.
I think the 7 titles in slightly significant…if only because it may disprove some of the ‘LeBron doesn’t care as much about winning’ argument. 7>6. Jordan won 6. If LeBron really wants to go for GOAT, he needs to get on a team right now that can win titles.
yeah, sorry if my comment seemed barbed
more of a diss on speculative reporting by scoop guys, not your post
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
screw bosh
i’m still mad we didn’t sign gordon.
I'm sure I'm going to hear it after this, but..
I’ve always liked Hinrich. He was a team player that gave it his all. Yeah, he had a lot of bad games but he also had some clutch games for the Bulls. The guy gave it his all, at all times. Your not named Co-Captain for no reason. He played with a swagger that a lot of players don’t have. He was never the best guy on the court but he commanded his teammates respect. He worked hard and played hard. He even got criticized about his defense saying he was a dirty player. You don’t get criticized like that if you don’t try hard.
I will definitely miss seeing him out there, he was a general on the court and always a team first kinda guy..
See ya, Kirk, good luck in Washington!
Let's cut through the crap, Vaughn. I only got one thing to say to you: "Strike this mother f*cker out."
by tclaro on Jun 25, 2010 8:15 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
definitely!
he just wasn’t very good as a shooting guard, and too overpaid to be a backup PG. i’ll miss captain kirk very much too.
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
Speaking of Captians
In a squad of Lebron, Rose, Noah, & Bosh
Lebron is the captain, who is the co-captain?
Noah has leadership?
Rose is the point?
Bosh wants to be the man.
hmmm…
Let's win it for Kurt!
It's true that we don't know what we've got until we lose it, but it's also true that we don't know what we've been missing until it arrives.
If we have room
for JJ and Lebron through FA signings
couldn’t we then sign and trade for Bosh with Deng, Taj, James Johnson?
HoopsHype has Deng at 11.35, JJ at 1.71 and Taj at 1.17 total of 14.18 million
Bosh max deal would start at 16.57, isn’t that within the 125% rule?
I mean we’d essentially be doing what the heat is doing as we’d have only 5 players on the roster, but is this possible or no?
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 25, 2010 8:37 AM CDT reply actions
I'd rather sign LeBron and then do the Deng-to-Orlando deal
Swing Gortat, James Johnson and next year’s first to TOR for Bosh
PG Rose
SG Pietrus
SF James
PF Bosh
C Noah
Taj would be the main guy off the bench and you’d still have some cap room to sign a couple quality backups.
It would be
If Pietrus was coming off the bench. IMO, he’s not much better (or durable) than Deng. I’d rather have Deng.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 25, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
You'd rather have Deng than LeBron?
LeBron needs to play SF and Deng doesn’t work at any other position.
I'd rather have Deng than Pietrus
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 25, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Deng wouldn’t play that many minutes……..It gives you 2 players instead of one, and it frees up alot of cap space.So in 2011 we can get a real SG…..That’s if we get Bosh & Lbj…………If we get JJ & Bosh and LBJ signed with who ever else….Then this trade would be terrible…….
by I love football! on Jun 25, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you think the max FAs will only sign for one season?
That and trading Deng for expiring contracts is about the only way the team would be under the cap for 2011. Anyways, give Deng and LeBron a chance to play together. LeBron can handle guarding the quicker 2s that Deng can’t on defense. On offense, it won’t matter much because Deng’s job will be limited to corner 3s and opportunities off cuts to the basket.
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We do get our midlevel next year though
I would rather have Pietrus playing SG this year than Deng. And I think Deng is a better player. But Deng is just starting to be able to kind of hit that corner three consistently. I would rather have Pietrus who can shoot from anywhere on the arc.
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Pietrus is a very, very streaky shooter and an overrated defender
He’s really not that different from Kurt. Despite his “reputation” he was still getting gobs of open looks being left alone behind the arc by the Celtics. Deng provides so much more for a team that needs non-scoring contributions.
As to picking up a “real” SG in 2011, it’s not likely to be done via MLE. Few starting quality players sign for the MLE.
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kirk should be
locked in a hospital, away from any physical activities, no motorcycles, snowboards etc
This seems too easy to actually happen
The way to build this “team of all dreams” is to go after Joe Johnson first via sign and trade with the Hawks for Luol Deng. I have no idea why they would want him or not, but that’s the first thing you do.
Then you sign Bosh and LeBron, in that order. The Bulls have enough cap room to make the deal go down. By signing JJ first, Bosh feels no threat to being the “superstar” of this team. Then we sign LeBron, who realizes that no team in the world, maybe the history of basketball will have higher expectations to win “7 out of the next 10” NBA Titles.
Not only that, but the Bulls’ starting five would be able to beat not just all 29 other starting fives in the NBA handily, it would be the best Eastern Conference All-Star team of the decade when you add Allen Iverson at the mid level along with John Scheyer, Brad Miller, Mike Miller, Kyle Korver, and Scottie Reynolds.
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And a couple other big dudes
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 25, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe bring back
Warrick and Alexander for cheap. They aren’t getting money anywhere else.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 25, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I can actually see Warrick signing here regardless of who we sign
considering we’ll probably need PF depth (even if we sign a Bosh/Lee) and I can’t picture Warrick commanding much more than the bare minimum.
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by dantheman3k on Jun 25, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I never said I liked Warrick
and thus, the issue isn’t whether I’d pass. I never said I’d prefer Joe Johnson over Bosh/Lee, and thus, the issue isn’t whether who I’d try to sign in addition to Lebron.
Could you picture the Bulls signing Warrick for the minimum for PF depth? I could.
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by dantheman3k on Jun 25, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
As a back up near the minimum?
I’d take him, it’s not like he’s completely useless.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 25, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
We can probably do better
Besides, he doesn’t seem like the type of player that the Org likes.
Brad Miller is god.
makes sense if i was alt getting deng for Joe johnson wouldn't not be a bad option...
So then now we have Rose, Noah, JJ, Taj
Lebron sees a core of that team signs agrees to sign with the bulls
After the big domino falls Bosh says holy crap!!! I’m coming to chicago
that would be a crazy team
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 25, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
That's too perfect
Can’t be possible. Rose, JJ, Bron, Noah, Bosh? Has to be league rules against it somewhere.
by California Al on Jun 25, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Hinrich will still have his Bulls jersey retired
…a jersey whose back reads “KURT”
(he’s like Cher in Chicago, he doesn’t even need a last name)
by KentuckyBullsFan on Jun 25, 2010 10:50 AM CDT reply actions
I'm still in shock
I woke up this morning and I was hoping yesterday wasn’t a dream. Peace Kirk thank you for your grittyness and hard work. But you were in the way of bigger and better.
Perhaps some better news for Kirk?
Although this is coming from Poopsworld:
“Another team that was involved in many crazy rumors on draft night was the Orlando Magic. While Magic fans were still drooling over a potential Chris Paul trade, it seems a more realistic deal to wrap their head around could be coming. Multiple sources say that the Magic have discussed a deal with the Washington Wizards that would swap Vince Carter for Kirk Hinrich, Randy Foye, and Al Thornton.”
Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/HeadlineStories.asp#ixzz0rssz7e80
by NerdVernacular on Jun 25, 2010 11:52 AM CDT reply actions
Why not?
You just make a three team deal.
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by NBA Observer on Jun 25, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
i thought
you couldn’t trade a player who you’ve recently acquired as part of a package for a certain amount of time.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Hinrich hasn't been traded yet
The Bulls and Wiz just reportedly agree in principle. Gar couldn’t even name the player or the other team in his statement. Stern is handing out fines for jokes so the statements have to be careful.
Magic could join the deal.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
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by NBA Observer on Jun 25, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, the deal's not really done yet
What are the Bulls going to do if Washington comes back and says it wants to make it a 3-team deal? I mean, maybe they could pick up another draft pick in there somehow, but they’re really getting what they want with nothing coming back. And pulling of the deal isn’t really an option.
Plus, I believe the Wiz have around $10 in cap room left after the Kirk deal, so they could probably structure it as two deals.
There's actually a way it can be done
If the player being traded again could have been traded for a portion of the returning package by himself, then the team can add more to their deal. So, if Kirk could be dealt for VC straight up, then the Wiz can add more to their outbound package
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Adande raining on the parade:
One general manager predicts the Heat and Bulls will wind up with five of the seven top free agents (he broke it down as James, Wade and Chris Bosh on the Heat, and Carlos Boozer and Joe Johnson on the Bulls; the combinations could change depending on whom you ask).
At least he makes it clear it’s just one guy’s opinion.
I just don't see Lebron playing in Miami
I actually see him signing with the Knicks before the Heat. Why the hell would Lebron want to play with Wade? Wade is almost a bigger star than he is?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't personally think he goes there either
But I read that and thought, wow – that would definitely be losing the race to Miami.
not a good result
but still better than keeping Hinrich, IMO.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 25, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Kind of craps all over the presumed second Bulls' dynasty though
Most of what I’ve read hints toward Wade and Bosh in Miami, Lebron and JJ in Chicago. That’s a pretty close case, imo, with Chicago getting the edge due to the other players on the team. It just depends on what Miami could lure to join Bosh and Wade.
I agree.
If Bosh is going to be in Miami, fine, whatever. But James and Bosh to Chicago truly is a dynasty. It would compete for one of the best teams of all time.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'm not presuming anything
screw Wes.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 25, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Pfff
Wanted to make a Fanpost but I can’t here at work.
But it looks like Rasheed is going to retire but will not fill out the paper giving the Celtics some time to work out a trade for him. If the Bulls could use there trade exceptions and also next years pick to get Wallace that would let us free up more cap space without trading Deng.
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Chicago Bulls: Ridding themselves of Kirk Hinrich’s deal, even though they essentially gave him and pick No. 17 away for a future selection, was brilliant in serving the greater good. It’s my opinion that they’re now in pole position to raid the Cavaliers for LeBron James, potentially moving Luol Deng’s deal in a sign and trade for him or Chris Bosh, who they’re also now in better shape to chase. This summer, the power to pair up max players separates the elite from the also-rans since so many teams have worked hard to free up cap space. Even if they strike out on James, moving Hinrich virtually guarantees they’ll be a top contender in the Eastern Conference, as the Bulls will be able to add two elite players to pair with rising stars Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah. Grade: A+.
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
Wow, Milwaukee is going to be completely re-tooled.
They will be good again next year, and really good in another year or two. It’s not super dreams, but I see them consistently winning 50+ games every year for he half-decade with maybe a 55-58 win team once or twice.
Lineup:
Jennings – (Ridnour?)
Maggette – Douglas-Roberts (Salmons?)
Delfino – Ilyosava – Maggette
Mbah a Moute – Larry Sanders – Gallon
Bogut – Jordan – Gallon
Wow, yeah.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
fear the deer
till they meet a bull =)
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
sure, but Milawukee is used to being second to Chicago.
:)
As long as they beat Indiana, Detroit and Cleveland every year, and they should, they might be satisfied.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Side note:
How great of a name is Tiny Gallon?
That team is not great, but it's got potential with Jennings and Bogut
3 out of the 5 positions I am not sold on. Who knows how many years left Maggette has and how well he will play with Skiles?
Plus Delfino and Mbah a Moute are starters for that team.
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 25, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Did anyone
Hear Gar on Mike and Mike this morning?
If so can you give me any text of essentially what he said (he was on at 8:40 am CST). I can’t often get the links to work at work.
Funny thing I’ve always liked HInrich, but I am not feeling bad about him leaving at all….I mean I did feel bad when Noc left even though I knew it was for the best by far at the time.
I think Kirk is the franchise savior :) in many ways, it was the drafting of him that at least started to turn us from laughing stock, to somewhat good and at least mostly entertaining….and now if it pans out the dealing of him could land us Lebron….
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
I know I know....
But hey ridding his contract could be the little thing we needed….
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
FYI: new thread.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 25, 2010 12:38 PM CDT reply actions
let me help you out here.
http://www.blogabull.com/2010/6/25/1536910/a-couple-morning-after-hinrich
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by dantheman3k on Jun 25, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Q: By moving Deng, how many top fa's can the Bulls get?
Noah Bosh Lebron Johnson Rose = a definite championship. Is the money there? Or are the Bulls limited to 2 max free agents, even with Deng and Hinrich moved?
Suppose we move Deng to Toronto for Bosh in a sign & trade deal. With Hinrich now supposedly dumped, could we get Johnson and LeBron? I’m not certain what the #s are for the $s.
Bulls get ...one less nagging complaining non clutch overpaid non allstar player..
"JustThrewUp."
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I'm not surprised by this move.
I actually expected it last year. I love Noah and will still follow the Bulls and I have LP so I can catch a few of Kirk’s games too. Maybe this change will be good for him.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
gotta match up with lakers
Rose – Fischer
Deng – Kobe
Noah – Bynum
Bosh? – Gasol
Lebron? – Artest
This is assuming Lebron/Bosh takes less than max pay to win a championship.
To be a contender its obvious we need size, or else we’re gonna get outboarded all day.
If we had this lineup, that would definitely be a dynasty.
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