Bucher: Kirk Hinrich and #17 to the Wizards
ed. note: From the Fanshots. Oh my, THIS is what I wanted, not the proposed Deng deal. Deal can't be official until July...and part of me won't believe it until Hinrich is actually holding up a different jersey.
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no way
the glue guy? the franchise son? i refuse to believe this until he’s in a Wiz uniform.
by M 80 on Jun 24, 2010 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
and what are we gonna get back?
They’re not giving up the first pick and we certainly don’t want Arenas or Josh Howard.
"The superior man blames himself. The inferior man blames others." Don Shula
Hmmm... this is my least favorite scenario out of everything that's been reported thus far
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
I also would have preferred that pick swap deal with Indiana
But at least we get to keep Deng, if for nothing else than as trade bait in the future (assuming we get LeBron).
We aren't getting Lebron.
Just is not going to happen. We have a better shot at getting Dirk.
by un-Bull-leavea-Bull on Jun 24, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
In that case
We keep Deng and get JJ and Bosh. Point is, keeping Deng gives us much better flexibility.
by DickFractal on Jun 24, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
really how can you say that
not sure but i think this puts the bulls in play for both bosh and lebron
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 24, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
lol, what can I say, I was having big dreams
Obviously this was a good move
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Would they have enough room for both, even after this trade?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea, I'm warming to it
I guess it’s just that some of the other trade rumors got my hopes up a little too high. Wouldn’t be surprised if Lu is till moved in a separate deal
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
THis was meant as a reply to DaBears above
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
As official as an unofficial deal can be.
by dakoose on Jun 24, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'd love that.
I really want them to play in this draft, though.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Good trade IMO
Too bad we have to wait until July 8 for official confirmation on it.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 24, 2010 2:42 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I can't believe I'm about to live in the "Post Hinrich Era"
Since it’s a good-faith deal for the time being, there remains a chance it could fall apart. But according to one source, the Sacramento Kings are prepared to make a similar deal with the Bulls in the Wizards’ stead if that were to happen.
by Option27 on Jun 24, 2010 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I didn't think we would be around to see this.
It’s like living until 2012 and seeing the end. Surreal man….. so surreal
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I didn't even think that would be the end.
I figured that once his contract ended, he’d take a small deal to stay with the Bulls. You know, since they overpaid him by so much and all.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I meant the end of the world with the Mayan calendar ending in 2012 :P
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
oh, i see
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
what has bucher gotten right in the past?
i believe this though, because of that “kings in their stead” part.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
Maybe I just wasn't paying enough attention
But I had no idea y’all hated Hinrich’s and his contract THIS MUCH.
His contract is an impediment, but jeez, it’s like he was the antichrist of the bulls.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 24, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
It was his contract
more than his play. I would still like him if he wasn’t paid like an All-Star.
"I want people to fear me"- Derrick Rose.
"That boy is BAD"- Stacey King.
You are basketball deficient
You would still like his 2-9 shooting, too small to guard 2 or 3, non dribbling, non lay-up making, under the basket circling for no reason ass?
"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub
he's paid like an all star?
really?
how many all stars (that aren’t on rookie contracts) are paid 9mil$?
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
theres been trade talks of Arenas for Vince Carter
i like it for both teams
by The90sBullsRevival on Jun 24, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
No, but Josh
Howard and Mike Miller are expiring. 2 big contracts… That’s why it can’t happen til July 8th.
I wonder if they'll make this move for cap space
then still move Luol for more depth at a position of greater need (assuming they sign Lebron, BIG assumption)
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
I hope we figure out a way for this to be Bosh
Move Deng to the 2, and as Thibs said, work on his corner 3s
also what are the odds we find a 2nd rounder to draft Scheyer? Gotta have our token white guy.
by The90sBullsRevival on Jun 24, 2010 2:45 PM CDT reply actions
Deng might be too slow to guard guards.
Although I think he could make a great (albeit very overpriced) 6th man. And if we play LeBron at the 4, Deng can play his natural position. AND we still have Deng available as the centerpiece of a sign-and-trade (my big reason why I wasn’t excited about trading him for cap space).
Wouldn't you want your best player playing in his natural position?
Seems LeBron has done pretty well as SF.
by Bill Cartwright's Elbow on Jun 24, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah if we get Lebron
The Bulls will most likely move Deng
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Most of the time, sure.
But the great thing about LeBron is that he can play almost anywhere. If you don’t have some small ball sets with him as a 4 to take advantage of matchups, then you’re not doing your job. (“You” being Thibs, in this case.)
i would like to see if bron/bosh/deng would work, rather than give up the notion before even bothering to try
(with lbj especially) the 2 and 3 positions can be interchangeable on offense. the key with going big is if the players are quick enough defensively.
it could pay off tremendously, since a (unobserved by the haters?) big plus of deng is that he’s best off the ball. and you can’t build a real team like an all-star fantasy team, with everyone dominating the ball.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
More Chad Ford
Hinrich deal should be a game changer in LeBron sweepstakes. Bulls will now have enough space to land 2 max free agents.
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by ScottieG33 on Jun 24, 2010 2:46 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
If one of those
FA is Bosh or Lebron, we’re in title contention for a long time. If we get JJ and Boozer we better hope we get a title early because the team is going to get old quick.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 24, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Take that Miami Heat bitches!
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jun 24, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
Bosh
Bosh will not go where Lebron does. He wants to be the man. We need Bosh and Joe Johnson.
by un-Bull-leavea-Bull on Jun 24, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea, but Bosh is the one pushing for the sign and trade...
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think it'll matter to him
He can say, “I’m going to Chicago with LeBron and if you guys want, work something out. But I’m going there anyways”
by Option27 on Jun 24, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hope you're right
Although I have a feeling this is Joe Johnson’s money
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
No way...
there is no way they are that dumb to pass on bosh for jj
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont think it's a matter of 'passing on Bosh'
I think it’s more the tampering says Bosh and Dwade want to team up and Joe Johnson thinks he can give an edge getting Lebron in.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
That quote has sig potential after July 1st
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
and worse case they take James Johnson
and the fat trade exception.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
how big is a trade exception anyway?
I don’t know enough about the weird NBA cap stuff. If this was the NFL, I’d be on the forefront.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
If team A trades $x million worth in contracts to Team B for $y million worth in contracts
Team A would have a trade exception worth $(y-x) million (if they were giving up more salary).
So if we were to S + T nothing for Bosh, Toronto would get a $16.5 million trade exception.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 24, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
give future picks
meh
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
No one wants the future last pick of the first round.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
sure they do!!!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
you lose
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Now they can move Pargo to the start line up
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 24, 2010 2:48 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Better yet Lindsey comes out of retirement
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Damn. Didn't see this one.
Oh well, I’ll just leave my late fanshot title here: Kurt to Wiz for Relief
by Bill Cartwright's Elbow on Jun 24, 2010 2:50 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Wait
what the hell are they getting in return?? We gave up the 17th and hinrich for nothing…maybe if it was just hinrich for nothing it would make sense, but hinrich and the 17th??? WHAT!? Is this part of a 3 team trade? This cant be all there is to it
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I'll just take it as a sign that they KNOW we're gonna do well in free agency. Cause if they don't... yikes
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
The 17th pick is a bribe to get Washington to take Hinrich
Their new owner wants to rebuild through the draft. The only way they’d take Hinrich is if they got a draft pick out of the deal.
by Big D on Jun 24, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Washington’s guards would consit of Wall, Arenas, and Hinrich. I don’t picture those three operating well together.
by chowder on Jun 24, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I picture a lot of hilarious entertainment ...
On the part of non-Wizards fans.
by jpx7 on Jun 24, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
why not?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
They're all listed as PGs
And therefore incompatible. Obviously. It’s not like they have dramatically different skillsets or anything like that.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 24, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
well, Hinrich was clearly a SG this year.
He’s been playing with ball-dominant SG’s his whole career, this doesn’t change.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Polo was being sarcastic
Hinrich could play next to either Arenas or Wall, while backing up both positions, which is an ideal role for him.
You mean like how Rose, Gordon, and Hinrich didn't work well?
It’s not a big deal, I’m just wondering why Washington would take on more salary in a rebuilding phase.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Hinrich's contract is not that big anymore
still they already have 2 PGs…
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 24, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Only 2 years left and it's declining
It’s a much better contract now than it was 2 years ago.
This makes
JJ plus a PF sound more likely than Lebron.
DEJESUS!!!
they keep Deng and HAVE to have a SG now
and they don’t have a draft pick to replace it with.
Where else do they get a SG?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
or just not worry about "position" so much
not on offense anyway, worry about it on defense.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Just put Thibs at SG.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
If they just wanted JJ
They didn’t need to trade Hinrich. We had enough capspace for one max contract.
Obviously they didn't just want JJ
They don’t just want any 1 player, hence the cap clearing.
So do we have ANY draft picks tonight?
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
we will draft
but we won’t know if we going to keep it
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 24, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
fluck
so, what if we get a good pick @ 17..like say Xavier. Is it basically gone to the Wiz?
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
technically no, right?
we’d have to call off the deal though, and that would be bad business.
and it says the Kings want in if the Wiz back out.
Gar (or the Wiz ) can back out before july 8th
so if some one awesome falls to Gar. He can just be a D bag and back out. I think there was a report earlier this year saying that other GMs already consider Gar a liar.
by silentpete on Jun 24, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm pretty sure I read it on blogabull, is there a way to search old posts? It was around the time
Vinny was getting thrown under the bus in december…
I read this site obsessively
and I’ve never heard anything about Gar being known as a liar.
You still think we're getting the 8th pick
even after we traded our #17 away?
I doubt they’d take Deng for #8 straight-up…
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 24, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure...
nothing’s going to happen, but if Henry or George is picked….something could happen….plenty of what ifs
We lost some thrust guys
kinda heartwrenching a bit
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
by Belize on Jun 24, 2010 2:55 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Holy crap!
If nothing else, this will create a massive sense of excitement for the next 2 weeks. Hopefully the excitement is justified.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
I don't get ESPN at the work
Do we get anything in return?
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 2:57 PM CDT reply actions
Cap space
What else is there?
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
Nothing
I’m perfectly fine with it, just was curious if we got a second rounder in return or anything.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Nothing has been announced yet from their end, but cap space is the big part
Maybe we’ll get a second rounder or something
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
A future second-round pick
is what is being reported.
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
BOOOOOOOOOOO
PLEASE DONT TRADE KIRK< IM BEGGING YOU< I WANT HIM TO BE IN A BULLS JERSEY FOR LIFE< PLEASE DONT TRADE KIRK
ala-mo williams…
although seriously…this kinda sucks for me at the moment
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
This is really a great thing
but we only have one guard on our roster. I think this means we’re definitely getting JJ to start and then offer a nucleus of Rose/JJ/Deng/Noah to LBJ.
"You know what Neil, stop being such a sourpuss." - Stacey King
That doesn't mean that at all.
They could just as easily trade Taj or Deng for a guard.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I suppose
But under the idea that we will be getting LBJ, I wouldn’t be opposed to signing JJ. He’s better than any guard available not named Dwayne Wade and he would provide a nice scoring punch and he does fit nicely with Rose.
"You know what Neil, stop being such a sourpuss." - Stacey King
I wouldn't mind it
I’m just saying this move doesn’t guarantee any other move.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I am ridiculously opposed to signing JJ
let’s get a 30-year-old guy to mesh with our ~25 nucleus! Who sucked worse than John Salmons in the playoffs! Great idea, or the greatest idea?
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Me too, after going through YaoPau and Kevin Pelton's old posts.
EVERYONE SHOULD HATE JOE JOHNSON!!!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 24, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Fanpost recced.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
i don't hate him
he’d be better than he showed in the playoffs with the dynamic rose. but he does pound the ball one on one and i don’t think thibs wants too much of that. i think deng fits better with rose and lebron.
he fits as an all-star 2 with range, but not with the team’s age.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
Bulls fans will find out during the draft
i will believe it when it happens……..i don’t won’t to get my hopes up and then crush when it doesn’t happen…….this deal doesn’t make sense, because the wizs don’t need another pg but i wouldn’t really care as long as the bulls can get rid of the fake captain and some more cap space
Apologies to Picco, Sue, and WJB
But, you are more than welcome to be actual Bulls fans :)
So, the Bulls are pretty damn serious about this FA push, huh? Now all of you pray to your respective gods about no Joe Johnson.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2010 2:59 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
THey need a guard
unless they plan on playing lebron at the 2…
I guess thats possible, Rose/lebron/deng/bosh/noah….damn thats actually a pretty good team…well…ill always have 2k to get kirk back….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jun 24, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I always told myself I'd ban SoulEater
if Hinrich was traded. It seemed like his only purpose here.
Not sure I can go through with it. Still in shock.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
I'm not particularly upset
Although I was just finally settling down to work for the afternoon when this came up.
I think I’ll rather enjoy BaB more if I don’t have to read about how much everyone hates Kirk.
by wjb1492 on Jun 24, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I mean, who wants to be a fan of the Wizards anyway?!?!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
That's the fastest 8 rec's I've ever seen
I’m so glad other people dislike Wade now too.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
32 recs!
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
With my rec that's 45
I hate to mention it, but do you think Wade is now reconsidering coming to Chicago along with David Lee or Boozer?
Instantly the best starting 5 in the NBA, bar none.
51 recs?!
Wtf! You’re the man!
Stage one: Fire Vinny (check)
Stage two: Hire a good coach (check)
Stage three: Draft a SG who shoots 3
Stage four: Sign a top 3 FA
Stage five: Trade Deng, Hinrich, whoever not named Rose or Noah to get another top FA
oh man..
you sir, have won yourself an internet.
by umidontknow on Jun 24, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kind of
wierd for the Wiz to take on that salary for someone who’s going to be playing behind Arenas and Wall. Not sure I get this for them.
DEJESUS!!!
That's what i said
i can see the kings needing a pg but not the wizs
combo guard x3
basically they can alternate whenever the hell they want in terms of guards…sucks on the defensive end though, maybe make sure nick young practices his defense or something….i hope we get next years first rounder at least…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
It's not too bad defensively
John Wall actually has a rep as a good defender, which means he or Kirk will be in there at all times. With his size and athleticism he can definitely guard SGs when needed.
Trying to unload Arenas?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 24, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Will Wall start right away? I hope so but maybe the Wiz want a veteran leader to start
until Wall is ready.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
He's gotta start, they'd be crazy not to
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also, what the fuck are the Wizards thinking? The 17th pick means that much to them?
Unless they think Hinrich has some kind of magic elixir that turns #1 picks into superstars.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
they can just print out any chicago media article from the past 2 years
as evidence
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Hinrich is
there to mentor Wall, and room w/ Hall, sit next to wall at all team events, on buses and planes, anything to keep Arenas from being near Wall until they trade him.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jun 24, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
They'll get rid of Arenas
and Hinrich will be a good influence on Wall
by The90sBullsRevival on Jun 24, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
thats even stupider
unless they are getting joe johnson….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
they see him for what he is
a backup PG for defense and 3P in certain situations…after they trade Arenas
Arenas will be traded
Probably to the Knicks when they strike out.
NY is a possibility
after they strike out in free agency.
It's a good deal
They can start Wall right away. Hinrich can guard the better guard. Wall’s defense can come along while the offense gets the real action from day one.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
and Arenas?
yeah, he’s toast.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
u think they can get rid of gilbert?
i thought i read somewhere a while back that what he did was like a breach of contract or something
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
since I am a conspiracy theory believer, that was the deal:
Wiz, you keep Arenas or trade him – so we don’t stress out the Union. Then we will make sure you will win the draft
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 24, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Goodbye kirk
and good riddance. we’ll miss the thrust though.
Now, the stakes have been raised. if we don’t get LeBron, it’s over. No pick, no bench = a huge offseason failure. time to put up or shut up.
but wow, i still can’t believe this. they actually traded kurt. holy crap.
"4 inches, baby!" --ripped off from Kush
i think it's a long shot that they don't get something
these guys would never have the balls to go all in without being certain
by M 80 on Jun 24, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll be happy with any 2 of the free agents still
Bosh + JJ would still make a killer starting 5
Frees up space for Noce.
Hear 76ers are buying him out.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Jun 24, 2010 3:03 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
Get him
3 yrs/10 million. Done Deal. We are going to have to free up more cap space at some point.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 24, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
next step....
move Deng sign and trade for JJ.
Rose
JJ
LBJ
Bosh
Noah
oh my :)
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
Dumbest...
…thing I have ever read. Ya we will land JJ, LBJ and Bosh. Why not trade Brad Miller for Dwight Howard.
Come on.
by un-Bull-leavea-Bull on Jun 24, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not dumb because of the disporportionate
exchange of talent. Joe doesn’t dominate Deng, he’s like a 9 out of 10 for SGs. Deng is like a 7.5-8.0. If they are losing Joe no matter what, they would want something in return. But I just don’t think they would want Deng’s contract.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 24, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think this gives us enough for two max players, does it?
Just short I think.
Trade Deng for a Sg with a slightly smaller contract?
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Deng for Eric Gordon
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not if we pull off JJ for that submax money.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
When has JJ been more about winning than money?
He forced his way out of Phoenix and showed no heart in the playoffs this past year.
Joe would actually get more touches with Bosh
as he would be the primary ball handler after Rose. With Lebron and Rose on the team, Joe becomes not much more than a spot up shooter.
it doesnt
side note— i cant believe two espn reporters (bucher and ford), who are paid to know these things, could each immediately report it gives us enough for 2 max free agents and be wrong. christ do your jobs.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
Right
But it’s enough to get Lebron + Lee, or Lebron plus JJ at less than the max.
Brad Miller is god.
Or Lebron + Bosh if we moved JJ + Taj in a S+T
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 24, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Love the idea
Then trade Deng for Pietrus and Gortat and you have your team there.
Rose
Pietrus
LBJ
Bosh
Noah
Gortat, Asik and whatelse we could sign for the min
Stage one: Fire Vinny (check)
Stage two: Hire a good coach (check)
Stage three: Draft a SG who shoots 3
Stage four: Sign a top 3 FA
Stage five: Trade Deng, Hinrich, whoever not named Rose or Noah to get another top FA
if one of the maxes is David Lee, it's enough. Also, if one of the guys is Joe Johnson at 4 years 60 million (i.e. less than max)
it’s also enough.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 24, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
JJ is going to want max years
For that he might accept less per.
He made about 15 mil last year.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
He also wants to come to Chicago apparently
And his agent is bffs with reinsdorf.
Brad Miller is god.
so we sign JJ with the freed up money from traded hinrich
then we sign and trade for bosh!!!!
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
i'd rather give max money than max years
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
So would I
But I think agents are in going to presume this Summer is the last on this CBA payscale. The next stage is a lockout by the owners as they try to engineer shorter contracts.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Johnson at this price starts at:
$13.4 million if the Bulls sign him outright
$12.9 million if they do a sign-and-trade (future 2nd or something)
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 24, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If it's backloaded as much as possible
Which it wouldn’t necessarily have to be.
Brad Miller is god.
no, but it's not about the total price.
if he’ll agree to 4 years, 60 million, (for example), and the bulls have less than $15 million cap space, why would he not do this?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Why?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
These guys live pay check to paycheck in many cases.
There is no investing. Delayed payments are like social security for players. Sure you could do get better return if you didn’t have to pay into social security, but the majority of people wouldn’t save any of it if the government didn’t take it away from them.
Maybe they've already negotiated with JJ to take less than max money
JR and Tellem are BFFs right?
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
David Lee's max.
I’ll take that.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 24, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Depends if one of the max contracts
is David Lee. His max is 13.5.
I wonder if Vinny cried
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
by Belize on Jun 24, 2010 3:04 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
If this really does happen
i wouldn’t be surprise if bulls management gave kirk a big goodbye hug and gave him some bullshit award for lasting this long as bulls player
Most threes as a Bull?
He’s going to be at the top of that list for a long time.
Bosh or Bust
by JockstrapNoah on Jun 24, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Forgive me for saying it:
but I don’t mind signing JJohnson to the deal proposed earilier. With that (not quite max) deal, we could give the max to Bosh.
Rose
Johnson
Deng JJ
Bosh Taj
Noah Asik
Yes please.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Please Hollinger, I hope you're onto something here
Which is why James Johnson might be next. RT @KDonhoops Hinrich to Washington doesn’t clear two full max slots for Chicago
by Option27 on Jun 24, 2010 3:04 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
It does if one of those maxes is David Lee!
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 24, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
or the reduced JJ money
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
which wouldn't be "max"
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
JJ and LeBron, don't tease me like this before exams!
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
rudy
james johnson for rudy??? cmon bulls give me something here….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Doesn't this mean that the
Deng for Gortat/Pietrus trade can still happen?
damn...it could
and maybe we do some wierd trade for rudy fernandez…now thats shaking things up
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Gortat and JJ
for Rudy? Whatever works moneywise.
So much joy.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 24, 2010 3:05 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This organization is great!
I would rather keep Deng than Kirk!!
by knickknack7450 on Jun 24, 2010 3:07 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I guess he didn't
get that memo that Krik has played like shit since ’07
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jun 24, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Bulls vs Heat
This is shaping up to be the greatest offseason, cap clearing rivalry ever
by regui8er on Jun 24, 2010 3:07 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
until the dust settles
and all of the max FAs have re-signed, except Wade, who goes to NY…leaving both teams with a wad of cash and nowhere to spend it.
So what's the plan then?
Move Deng for a SG, mid range salary guy, and then add Bosh & LeBron, bring over Asik?
Form best team of all time.
Win 5 – 10 Championships
Make Blackhawks 3-peat celebration look small time
Put 5 statues around Jordan
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 3:08 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I could see any 2-player combination of LeBron/Bosh/JJ
obviously the one with LeBron/Bosh is best.
Deng can move to PF, or be traded himself.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Deng
doesn’t move to PF if we had Bosh and Noah.
DEJESUS!!!
if we pulled off Bosh & Lebron
then I think Deng would just be a very, very good bench asset. We’d be weak at Shooting Guard and I don’t think Deng could pull that off as much as he can play the two forward positions, but he’d bring nice length and shooting range from the bench.
at this point, with the cleared capspace, I’m trying to bring my expectations to “realistic but still hopeful Lebron-and-Johnson” rather than the total Bulls fan awesomeness of “Bosh-and-Lebron”. I just don’t want to be letdown too hard..
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
um, no
traded in that case, or just come off the bench. someone’s gotta
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
he can play the 2
big 2
Where 79-44 lead turns into a 4 point loss Happens
Bosh 2010
by Orange Juice on Jun 24, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
front-paged (obviously)
Oh my, THIS is what I wanted, not the proposed Deng deal. Deal can’t be official until July…and part of me won’t believe it until Hinrich is actually holding up a different jersey.
Honestly, the extra cap room is the obvious news, but the shocking thing is that the Bulls….the over-loyal, grinder fetish, defense preaching Bulls, traded their captain forever Kirk Hinrich for nothing.
I’m so damned impressed. It really quelches much of the source of my Org.-bashing. (we’ll still have the lux tax when we get there, heh)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 3:08 PM CDT reply actions
HEy
^&@# YOU!!!!
(tear)
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I gotta hand it to Gar
1) Made 2 risky cap saving trades at the deadline while keeping the team competitive enough to make the playoffs and still look like that team on the rise.
2) Hired Thibs. Took longer than it should have, but still.
3) Actually traded away Kirk Hinrich.
by Option27 on Jun 24, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, I gotta hand it to Pax, too.
Wait…what?
This line from a movie, television show or other piece of popular culture pretty much sums up my entire personality.
by ScottieG33 on Jun 24, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ha
yeah, but really maybe it was Gar who convinced Pax to let go of his son. Gar has the cold heart of a former Tim Floyd bagman.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah no matter what happens
They are playing Big Boy games now. They got a coach and now cap space. They are doing everything possible to get Lebron so if they don’t get him I won’t blame the Org. I tip my hat to them from this point forward.
This is so not the 2000 free agent season.
by Dils on Jun 24, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
well said
this is what had bothered me, not going all the way in free agency and letting personal preference (instead of the best strategy) dictate who came and went.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
D2.0 is tearing up a bit!
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha!
Nice…
Signing that max player will be the vindication.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 24, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I guess:-(
You know how us BG supporters feel but I can’t lie. It’s all coming together like others here said it would.
by Dils on Jun 24, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
what ben gordon thing?
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
by marionette on Jun 24, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
AH HA!
You’ve finally come around to my side.
Amazing how getting rid of Kirk Hinrich for cap space can bring people together.
And I have a new signature
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
yeah... we'll never know how hard they really tried...
except for the outward actions. This speaks volumes.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Maybe we can get that 30th pick from Wash
and take either dominque jones or James Anderson? Jones would be PEEEERFECT. He’s a beast of a combo guard for us.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Another job loss in Chicago!
Somebody better hire that sculptor that’s been working on the Hinrich bust for the last 5 years.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2010 3:10 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
This is actually terrible news for BaB. Who are we going to make fun of now???
What if Deng gets traded, WE HAVE NO MORE PUNCHING BAGS.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
James Johnson
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I say both of them.
We’re Bulls fans, we’re used to having at least two punching bags.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Are you kidding???
Did you see how many holes we have in our roster?
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 24, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
do not punch james johnson. ever.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jun 24, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
He'll develop a heart condition and NY will want to trade 2 draft picks
and a fat PF for him.
So the real question is… why not punch James Johnson?
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 24, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Because you will get your ass kicked.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
by runningman on Jun 24, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Stacey says
“They don’t know his resume!”
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
lmao at your Noah quote
did he really say that?
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
Taj?
Sam Smith?
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's what free agency is also for
Can you say “Brian Scalabrine”?
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
that vince carter trade
makes more sense now doesnt it?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Slightly
They could slide him into the starting SG spot and have Kirk, in the words of PaxDorf, round out the best 3 guard lineup in the league.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 24, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Hinrich will be starting SG by December.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
get another high draft pick?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm
So I guess Joe Johnson coming to the Bulls is pretty much a done deal.
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Jun 24, 2010 3:13 PM CDT reply actions
I don't understand this logic at all?
Why? We didn’t have a SG when Hinrich was here, how does him leaving mean it’s Joe Johnson we pick up. Sure it’s possible, but it’s just as possible we get one of the many PF’s and trade for a SG or pick up a cheaper SG.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
JJ's max is lower than the max LeBron or Bosh will command, there's a natural fit now, and Bulls have a good relationship with his agent.
Add in that Childress is potentially coming back and ATL can just match his rights, it all makes a lot of sense.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why is JJ's max less?
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 24, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
ah, yes, that
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 24, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure, like I said it's deifnitely possible
But it’s anything but a done deal.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
This deal can't be official till July anyways, we can still throw our Hinrich parade.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
We had a stopgap SG before
and one that would have been fine between Rose and Lebron. Now there’s not a single SG on the roster and no draft pick to get one. You have to believe that the Bulls want a dominant SG in front of a minimum salary SG, and not multiple minimum salary SGs. That kind of glaring hole can cost you a title.
Trading Deng for a SG is still possible, of course.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
This was supposed to be a response to Grinder in Training.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
this is exciting...
I was saying all along…. the best sign of the bulls getting Lebron would be they were able to trade hinrich or deng
BINGO hinrich Gone!!
so now whats next?
I think this still doesn’t allow us to sing to max guys
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 3:14 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Anyone who doubted The Process or complained about not having Ben Gordon
Should write a nice letter to GarPax apologizing for ever questioning them.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 3:14 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Paxson should go fuck himself and donate his salary to charity. Like it or not, this offseason is the work of Bert.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm actually in agreement with this.
well, not the apology part. But giving them kudos, yes. Perfectly valid to complain until the move is actually made.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
White soxs just took the lead..
hinrich traded
this day is going so well!!
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 3:15 PM CDT reply actions
So we will still pick tonight
but we will be picking for the Wiz?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
yes
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
i think im in shock
i never thought this day would come. and part of me still doesnt believe it’s going to happen.
anyway, anyone wanna see us buy a 2nd rounder tonight? were gonna need some players with such a thin roster.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
Yeah, especially with players like Crawford and Warren likely falling.
"You know what Neil, stop being such a sourpuss." - Stacey King
Good Point
the bulls still need to buy some 2nd rounders, if this deal does happens
I would love to see them buy a 2nd rounder and take Jordan Crawford.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
you think he'll fall far enough to a place we can buy?
I saw him go in the 1st in a mock or two earlier today.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Maybe we already did buy a 2nd rounder
I’d like to get the #35 pick coming our way in this deal
by YaoPau on Jun 24, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
a combo guard would look nice right about now-
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
So we now have 5 players under contract with Kirk gone and maybe 31 Mil to fill at least 7 slots.
So we get LeBron and J Johnson and with the remaining $500 we get 5 day laborers all
5’ 3" tall from behind Home Depot and hope we can play a 7 man rotation.
OH MY GOD
this thread is going to make my computer explode!!!
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 24, 2010 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Seriously, this is insane
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
so if bosh is following lebron
he better get ready to pack his bags to chicago!!!
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 3:22 PM CDT reply actions
I'm waiting til after the pick is made and Pax confirms to get excited
This just doesn’t feel like a sure thing yet. Once the Bulls make a pick for them, the Wiz really have to consumate the deal though
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
Even if the deal can't be announced until July 8
We should know almost immediately if there was a deal. I just can’t imagine the team would go through the dog-and-pony show of introducing their new player at a press conference if they’d already agreed to trade him.
Does anyone recall a similar situation in a prior year with another team? I’d be interested if we could glean anything from how the Bulls handle this draft pick in the media over the next few days (and hours).
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
I don't remember anything with teams announcing players
There have been a bunch where they interviewed someone for draft coverage wearing the “wrong” hat – but it’s always been abundantly clear that a trade was definitely in the works and everyone has treated it sort of like a joke.
Right - no question the player will wear the Bulls hat immediatelyafter the pick
It’s what happens after that which may tell us something.
I was originally not planning on paying much attention to the draft tonight. Consider that changed!
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
Doesn't this mean SoulEater7 is going to drown himself or something?
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
SOX sweep the Braves, Kirk Hinrich got traded,
and there are no Tornadoes in the forecast tonight……YEESSSS!
The Sox shit is weak
But I’m a Braves fan.
by jpx7 on Jun 24, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey I grew up in Atlanta
but I’m a Sox fan now.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 24, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Blog a Bull: We actually traded Kirk Hinrich
NEW TAGLINE
by regui8er on Jun 24, 2010 3:25 PM CDT reply actions 10 recs
LOL
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok, so out of the 3 teams with room for 2 max free agents
Pat Riley to LeBron – “You can bring any friend you want with you and join Wade, Chalmers and Beasley”
Donnie Walsh to LeBron – “You can bring any friend you want with you and join Gallinari, Chandler and Curry”
Gar to LeBron – “You can bring any friend you want with you and join Rose, Noah and Deng”
After hearing that, can you even think of en excuse to not join Chicago?
by Option27 on Jun 24, 2010 3:25 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Maybe.
I guess for the Bulls, you’d have to say, bring Joe Johnson with you to play with Rose, Noah, and Deng. Still the best option.
by bleigh82 on Jun 24, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Only if we can't move Deng, Taj or JJ
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 24, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
No way we can't move Taj or JJ..
I mean one is an athletic freak, and one was a starting PF as a rookie. Anyone would be happy to take those guys on for free. Just about any team that isn’t trying to sign a big name FA would take a flyer on them.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Throwing out a crazy idea
to try and make sense of it for the wiz…since it mostly make sense if they can trade Arenas. Combining 3 rumors for the hugest trade ever (dollar wise).
After the wiz get capspace http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2uhmfm8 maybe Taj, JJ get sent out in this too.
Add LeBron & Bosh
PG: Derrek Rose
SG: Pietrus
SF: Lebron
PF: Bosh
C: Noah, Gortat
Will have the cap or won't, goddamnit?
@chadfordinsider Hinrich deal should be a game changer in LeBron sweepstakes. Bulls will now have enough space to land 2 max free agents.
From twitter
2 max FAs does not equal LeBron and Bosh.
It means one of those, plus David Lee or Joe Johnson.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
w00t.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 24, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
It won't be hard to get it.
It’s close, but we can make it happen now if the opportunity arises to sign both Bosh and LeBron, you can be sure that it’ll happen.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm friends with a Heat fan and we've been going back and forth for months
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 24, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I imagine some pretty sweet rivalries playing out
Rose/Johnson/Lebron vs Wade/Bosh/….er….Beasley could bring back some fond memories of us beating Alonzo and Tim Hardaway.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Another great thing about this trade
Is that we’ll also get a 9mil exception, if I’m not mistaken.
by shine218 on Jun 24, 2010 3:31 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Renounced for cap space
The Bulls would have to renounce the trade exception in order to get the cap room. So, they wouldn’t have it for long.
by djsmokyc on Jun 24, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
There's no way in hell they would use it anyway
Getting two max free agents plus the extensions for Rose and Noah means instant Luxury tax in upcoming years which, if Reinsdorf is to be believed, the Bulls will pay for a contender.
If you think they’re going to add another 18 million in salary by using a 9 million trade exception, you’re (as Derrick Rose would say) crazy.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Wait
Recanting last Tweet re:Wizards pending further information; I’m told there may be other considerations involved.
What the fuck is Hollinger talking about
by Option27 on Jun 24, 2010 3:34 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
He had an earlier Tweet where he ripped the Wiz for making the trade just to acquire a pick
I think he found out something to make him feel differently
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I like that he still employs correct spelling and proper grammar/syntax via Twitter
I fucking loathe that “ur nt gona buleve this” shit that so many people spew across the tubes through twitter (and I’ll use this opportunity to single out Dwayne Wade as an idiot).
Blogabull just tweeted we're getting 3 mill from the wizards too
God this makes me anxious.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
That's incredible if true, definitely enough to buy a late 1st rounder or 2nd round.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jordan Crawford or Willie Warren, anybody?
"You know what Neil, stop being such a sourpuss." - Stacey King
"we're getting 3 mill"
And that’s how you get Reinsdorf on board to trade Hinrich! Gar = Genius.
by YaoPau on Jun 24, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 10 recs
Sox have won 9 in a row, you think Reinsdorf even knows this trade went down?
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
Reinsdorf right now.
“wait, wait, I own a basketball team? In Chicago?!”
"I want people to fear me"- Derrick Rose.
"That boy is BAD"- Stacey King.
3 million:
what’s the going rate of a first rounder these days?
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
$3M
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
by marionette on Jun 24, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm still not convinced.
I literally do not believe it. I’m not in shock or something like that. I just really don’t believe it has happened.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 24, 2010 3:35 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Well apparently Hollinger's going back on it
I think it messed up his playoff predictor.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 24, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
so do we or don't we have enough cap space for two max guys?
???
ford says yes
hollinger says no
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 3:35 PM CDT reply actions
depends on "max"
as most players are different. Lebron + Lee, sure, Lebron + Joe Johnson, no.
that’s my understanding.
however, we def have enough for 2 big contracts.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
no my two big guys i want bosh and lebron
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
S&T using a TPE
created by the new cap space and one of Taj or Johnson
should be enough.
"4 inches, baby!" --ripped off from Kush
by anorexorcist on Jun 24, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
We can now get it easily.
That’s all that matters.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
All they have to do is give away James Johnson for a 2018 2nd round pick, or something like that
They don’t even have to do it now; they can wait and see if they land Lebron and Bosh first.
Where is KC in all of this?
Not so much as a tweet out of him. I’ve been expecting his denial for over a half hour now
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
If it takes this long for KC to deny a report
by Option27 on Jun 24, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
rec'd for humor and overall potential awesomeness in truth.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Well Sam Smith sure hasn't denied it yet
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 24, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
all this retweet, whatever the fuck that is,
is making me nervous as hell. did this happen?
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Talk about a roller coaster of emotion for Hinrich...
One day, his new coach is singing his praises and calling him by the correct name. The next day, he gets dumped in Washington to back up John Wall with Gilbert Arenas waving guns in his face.
by pooriejay on Jun 24, 2010 3:38 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
that's what he gets for roller coasting our emotions
playing well, bad, well, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, well, bad, bad, well, well, bad, bad, bad…
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 24, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
God I hate Kirt Heinrik
"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub
Hinrich will now get to back up both Rose and Wall in their Rookie years
He’ll be telling his grandkids about this.. from the veranda of the multimillion dollar house that he bought for them.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
His stories will be complete with tales
about how he uses to shut them both down in practice.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
lol
way for them to piggyback
I’ll wait for KC or McGraw. I assume John Jackson is sleeping.
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"Don't nag, flag!"
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sam Smith should confirm it by next week
And tell how we should have kept Kirk instead of bringing LeBron and James
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 24, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
It is exciting
I still see JJ and LeBron as the most probable turnout… Which is still more than awesome.
by Scottie's Nose on Jun 24, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
awesome
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 24, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
sure because now
even if they keep LeBron we could kick their asses with JJ and Bosh
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 24, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Amazing
It hasn’t sunk in yet, but if that team can be made, I can’t really see how that doesn’t happen. A lot could happen between now and July 8th, but the pressure is squarely on Cleveland now. This isn’t just a "market" or "legacy" thing now for LeBron. It’s a chance to go to a major market and head up one of the most talented teams ever assembled. It’s time for the Cavs front office to get cracking. I don’t know what they can do, I don’t know what assets they have to offer, but they’ve gotta do something if this deal is legit. Have fun watching the draft.
by Option27 on Jun 24, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"I don’t know what they can do"
quit?
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 24, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I mean, they could go sign another 35 year old
Oh no, I’m already becoming an obnoxious fan of an awesome team, and nothing’s actually happened yet.
by YaoPau on Jun 24, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Well it's best to get some prep-work in
We want to be ready.. you don’t want to seem like an amateur the next time you talk to a Timberwolves fan about how great it is seeing Rose distributing to LeBron and Bosh every night.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I wish I had two accounts
So I could give this two recs. I find myself feeding on the despair from that Cavs Blog like i’m a Harry Potter character. It can’t be healthy to be gloating this soon.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
lol
“one of the most talented teams ever assembled.”
that’s right, NBA. Run in fear.
"I want people to fear me"- Derrick Rose.
"That boy is BAD"- Stacey King.
isn't it beautiful
to see other teams talking about your team like that…again
(holy crap, hope we dont jinx this).
"4 inches, baby!" --ripped off from Kush
by anorexorcist on Jun 24, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
When 2k or Live Elite comes out
I will feel ashamed to the Bulls considering how cheap could be and that i would blowout teams and wouldn’t feel like a challenge….then again Laker fans bitch and moan that I dont use my home team a lot…easy for them to say they have a cheapest team in the game..
Screw them
they had their chance with Lebron and blew it, now it’s the bulls turn……..i hope
the Cavs fan response always makes me happy
“It’s a chance to go to a major market and head up one of the most talented teams ever assembled. It’s time for the Cavs front office to get cracking. I don’t know what they can do, I don’t know what assets they have to offer, but they’ve gotta do something if this deal is legit. Have fun watching the draft.”
even the cavs fan say a Rose/Noah/Bosh/Lebron/they mentioned Deng lineup is “one of the most talented teams ever assembled.”
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
I hate LBJ a lot almost as much as Pargo
But it would be nice to kick those bandwagoners asses with him.
Ha. They literally won the first round this year
But that’s the last thing they’re going to win for a long time.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Well, sportcenter just reported
about the deal about hinrich, so it might actually happen, i might have to keep my fingers cross
by Jermal on Jun 24, 2010 3:40 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
If we sign Bosh and LeBron
the Bulls could sign any of us to be the starting two and we’d still win championships.
"You know what Neil, stop being such a sourpuss." - Stacey King
Why all the Bosh optimism?
Haven’t people been reading the tea leaves? Joe Johnson is coming folks, it’s a wrap.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably, we'd still be crazy with JJ.
"You know what Neil, stop being such a sourpuss." - Stacey King
I've been thinking the same thing, JBJ
but. if Joe Johnson + Lebron is a bad off-season, then, woosh.
sure I’d love Bosh+Lebron more, but. Lebron alone makes my off-season. Lebron + a good SG is very, very nice.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
why so pessimistic on lebron and bosh??
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
because signs point to Joe Johnson being in town
and basically already having a contract worked out.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
From who?
Pessimistic Bulls fans.. and a couple Bulls writers tempering enthusiasm so the fan base doesn’t burn the United Center down if all doesn’t go to plan.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Doug Thonus just posted word of a handshake deal with Johnson
The tea leaves are out and about. Why do you think KC Johnson has been trying to sell everyone on Joe Johnson for the last three weeks?
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
by Jivas on Jun 24, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Why wouldn't he?
If he’s the mouth piece of the Bulls, the Bulls don’t want the fans to be disappointed if they can’t land Bosh or LeBron. Keep their expectations low, so that way if it does work out they can celebrate, but if it doesn’t, they can act like it was their plan.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
You really don't think this has happened?
Arm Tellem and Jerry Reinsdorf are literally friends.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 24, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Plenty of people are friends.
JR is a ruthless business man. For a penny pincher like JR, he’s not going to screw over his business to help a friend, it’s not like JJ won’t find a job somewhere else if it doesn’t work out here.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
except it doesn't really screw over the business
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
It does compared to signing Chris Bosh.
He makes more money the better the team is.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
you're right.
I had to relook this up. god it’s depressing
http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=945
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Those projections are BS
Everybody in the NBA that’s older than 25 will fall off a cliff in their third year according to that.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Have you not followed basketball?
Show me those who don’t get worse at age 29 or older, and I’ll show the exception to the “rule”.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Read the post that I just made in reply to myself.
I’m not saying players don’t get worse over time, i’m saying projections that this particular system are coming up with are completely unreliable.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
So to answer your question
Yes I follow basketball. Maybe you should try reading people’s actual words instead of assuming whoever you reply to is a total idiot, and that’s why they disagree with you.
Go and look at the complete SCHOENE projections and then come back and tell me that you trust them in any way. Even Pelton acknowledges that they’re a work in progress, and that he has to jimmy the numbers just to come up with something that doesn’t look insane. He also acknowledges that they get less reliable the further out you try to predict.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
by runningman on Jun 24, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's the same system that came up with
these projections, which was more obvious to everyone as being crap.
Even Derrick Rose gets worse in his third year, and it’s all downhill for Noah from here on out. Beasley becomes a star, though.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Rose stats will take a hit
as a result of the FA’s coming in this summer.. ;)
That's one possibility
Another is that he knew the Bulls would sign JJ and he wanted to influence the fandom towards supporting the move.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
Why am I the only one who's rec'd this comment?
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 24, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Because Bulls can't afford both without a sign/trade.
It’s one of the LeBron/Bosh group, and one of the Lee/JJ group. That’s what people mean when they say space for two max contracts.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
S&T isn't that hard now
Can easily make it happen.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
don't know about that
I guess the Raps could Gibson and Johnson in a sign-and-trade.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
That's highway robbery, but it's plausible.
I’m being “realistic” and thinking Joe Johnson is 100% in a Bulls uniform next season and we have a great shot at outright signing Bosh, if not capturing LeBron.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
for some reason
that sounds like a Pokemon reference.
“You’ve encountered a wild LeBron!”
"I want people to fear me"- Derrick Rose.
"That boy is BAD"- Stacey King.
by Cosmis on Jun 24, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I know he will be.
I’m quite disappointed by that.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
If part 2 of the scenario works out, it could have been so much worse.
If it’s just Ben Gordon—>Kirk Hinrich—>Joe Johnson? Well, we’re used to abject despair by now.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather have Joe Johnson than
Both Hinrich and Gordon… so yes, it could be worse.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 24, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yeah part of me thinks
The Bulls just wanted Joe Johnson so so so badly, because of arn or otherwise, but finally realized the fan backlash they would have recieved, so they cleared enough for Johnson + Bosh/James
LeBitch and KG's constant showboating, chest pounding, dunking with one hand behind the ear, dancing, and pure and simple rubbing it in is so fucking annoying.
by hongydraw on Jun 24, 2010 3:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That would be amazing if
We had a sports franchise that listened to its fans. Holy crap.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 24, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I agree and I'm cool with that
JJ gives you the flexibility to still trade Deng or if you lose out on Lebron to still go get a post player like Boozer or Lee. I love it. I don’t feel that strong about getting Bosh.
This was just posted in the White Sox Blog
But I think it fits even more perfectly here.
Stolen from scottb of the White Sox SBN site.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 3:44 PM CDT reply actions 9 recs
So Gar is the Cookie Monster with cap space being the giant cookie?
by bleigh82 on Jun 24, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
honestly
I see Cookie Monster as us and the cap space as Rose + LeBron + Noah + Deng/JJ/Bosh
"I want people to fear me"- Derrick Rose.
"That boy is BAD"- Stacey King.
by Cosmis on Jun 24, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I few the cookie monster has me
and the cookie as life.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
I have no idea what to think right now. ThibbyGarPaxDorf has never been agressive before like this
For one thing, some places are reporting we have enough for two max deals (is lebron and bosh max), and others are saying we don’t. If we don’t….then why the absolute flying fuck would we have made this trade? Unless they firmly “know” Joe Johnson+Rose+Noah+Deng+Thibs+Chicago is more attractive to LeBron than Wade+Bosh+Miami+Riely+no tax+weather+girls.
In my opinion, we’re still at a huge disadvantage.
Also, why do I feel like this trade is far less likely to happen than people are reporting? It seems every year on draft day there are a ton of wink,wink deals that don’t come to fruitation and just fizzle out.
LeBitch and KG's constant showboating, chest pounding, dunking with one hand behind the ear, dancing, and pure and simple rubbing it in is so fucking annoying.
by hongydraw on Jun 24, 2010 3:45 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Do we know if the Heat can sign 3 max players?
That sounds like total bs.
Okay the minimum salary for a rookie (and roster holds)
is 500k. Joel Anthony just opted out of his player option, damn. So that’s 5 million for Beasley, 0.8 million for Chalmers, and 10 cap holds. Total: 15.8 million. Holy crap I think they can get 3 maxes, nvm.
the heat only have chalmers and beasley under contract
They would have to use Wade’s bird rights to go into the tax, but yes, they can sign all 3
LeBitch and KG's constant showboating, chest pounding, dunking with one hand behind the ear, dancing, and pure and simple rubbing it in is so fucking annoying.
by hongydraw on Jun 24, 2010 3:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
They know they can get Joe Johnson
and they’re rightfully assuming that they can fill another hole, hopefully with Lebron, but if not, with Lee or Boozer or someone. I don’t think this has huge Lebron implications
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't think this has huge LeBron implications?
by Option27 on Jun 24, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
nah, the biggest always was
the Cavs flaming out in the playoffs.
This helps though. I bet JJ gets his wish and signs right away 7/1
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I still rather have Lebon and Bosh
than Lebron and JJ
No offense, but
DUH.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
by Jivas on Jun 24, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
um, of course?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How?
The deadline trade was more of a sign than this. This is just a smart move that the Bulls should have made a while ago…
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, for one
They might not be done dealing. Also, even if this trade falls through, a similar deal with Sacramento is in place as well
So if all goes to plan, we just “drafted” LeBron and Bosh
I think that’s a good draft
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Jun 24, 2010 3:47 PM CDT reply actions
I wouldn't trade Deng right away until I knew it couldn't work, or I had a definite upgrade.
Rose
Deng
James
Bosh
Noah
Totally legit. Have some problems on defense, but not on offense. Holy all hell.
Oh wait. We have the defensive guru. There will be no problems on defense.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 24, 2010 3:48 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm trying not to get too excited
because I think the prospect of Wade, Bosh and Lebron playing together in Miami, with no state income tax, might be more attractive than spending winters in Chicago even if Rose and Noah are there.
I’m trying to mentally prepare myself for the “Summer of 2010” being about assembling a team of Noah-Boozer(or Amare or David Lee)-Deng-JJ-Rose team to lose to Miami every year for the next 5 years.
DEJESUS!!!
bah, this is little opportunity cost
it’s just Kirk Hinrich.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
It's a good trade regardless
since Heinrich was overpaid, but I wouldn’t say this makes us the favorites to land Lebron and/or James. I think Miami’s trade makes them the favorites to land both, and this trade allows us to become the second ebst team in the East.
DEJESUS!!!
Oh noes...the big, bad Chicago winter!
Hold me Pat Riley.
by bleigh82 on Jun 24, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
pick one
winter in Chicago or winter in Miami. Don’t lie.
DEJESUS!!!
I'm from Florida; lived there sixteen of the first eighteen years of my life
I moved to Chicago by choice.
I choose Chicago.
by jpx7 on Jun 24, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
hmmm
Riley hugs vs Thibs hugs
LeBitch and KG's constant showboating, chest pounding, dunking with one hand behind the ear, dancing, and pure and simple rubbing it in is so fucking annoying.
by hongydraw on Jun 24, 2010 3:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Too bad they spend half the year on the road.
Or it might actually be a big deal.
by arjoseph on Jun 24, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
exactly
I really really think the three will team up in Miami and win by 27 every night
LeBitch and KG's constant showboating, chest pounding, dunking with one hand behind the ear, dancing, and pure and simple rubbing it in is so fucking annoying.
by hongydraw on Jun 24, 2010 3:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Nah.
Bosh can’t take being the second wheel, let along being the third?
I’d think, after we sign JJ, we bcome Bosh’s top destination.
Rose rookie
Johnson rookie
Deng JJ
Bosh Gibson
Noah Asik
Deep, good, balanced. Plus Thib’s promise to “work inside out.” He’d be the focal point of the offense.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
It would be easier
to take being third fiddle when you’re on one of the best starting lineups ever assembled.
DEJESUS!!!
I just think
if I’m Lebron, the chance to play in Miami and have 3 of the top 10 players in the NBA on one team, with no tax, with that weather, that town—that might be tough to pass up.
DEJESUS!!!
McGraw takes time out of his day to damper the excitement
If the Bulls pull this off, it’s almost a certainty that Atlanta’s Joe Johnson will sign with the Bulls as a free agent. It was no secret during the past few months that the all-star shooting guard was hoping to land in Chicago this summer.
Yup, WEAK
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
doesnt damper mine
I expect Bosh to go to Miami, even if the dream is Bosh + Lebron.
Lebron + JJ makes me happy, and if clearing room to get JJ and still pursue Lebron is what this deal does, then bombs away garpax
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
But also brings LeBron to the table
The Bulls are likely to trade Luol Deng if they can sign James. One possibility is Orlando, offering center Marcin Gortat and swingman Mickael Pietrus, according to a league source.
by Option27 on Jun 24, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was the guy saying "trade Kirk, keep Deng unless we get Lebron"
if we got Lebron and then made the Gortat/Pietrus trade… Im still not a big fan of Gortat nor Pietrus.
but, I mean. hey. that’d be a cool team.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
by dantheman3k on Jun 24, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd like to think we could do better than that
but I guess at that point the idea is to fill multiple roster spots
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 24, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
No, I think it's
Rose
Johnson
James
Gibson
Noah
With Pietrus and Gortat off the bench. I don’t see a JJ + Bosh + James scenario in there – pardon if I missed it.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
if they trade Deng to Orlando in the already discussed trade
we lose cap space.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Wait a second, I'm totall lost
Just caught myself.
I somehow got my mind fucked into thinking we were still spending money on 2 with that line up.
Forget anything I wrote about this before.
Sorry
Deng to Indy?
- & Devin for #10 & Granger
Bulls send Deng for Murphy
Rose
JJ
Lebron
Murphy
Noah
I like it less and less
unless we are confident we can do that sign and trade for Bosh.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 24, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
bosh even said today on espn mike and mike hes waiting for lebron
…
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
my point is bosh wants to play with lebron...
so connect the dots
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Pietrus + Gortat
Combined make something close to Deng on a per-year basis. This would be relatively easy to look up, which I’ll do if I don’t head to the gym soon….
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
Yeah I believe those salaries match somewhat
So we have over 30 mil in space, lets assume JJ gets close to the max and Lu is traded for Pietrus and Gortat, where does the rest of all that cap space go?
it was a little more than half a million more for Pietrus/Gortat than Deng.
I recall looking it up in that thread.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
oh dude, don't get me wrong, I'm right there with you.
I think its a given we get Joe Johnson, I’m hoping for Lebron to be like
“Joe Johnson + Rose + Noah > Dwayne Wade + warm weather + no tax”
and I think Bosh wants to follow Lebron… and I could see Deng in a s/t deal with another future first rounder (say the Bobcats one we have) from the raptors to us. but.
For my unrealistic realistic hope, I want JJ & Lebron.
For my totally unrealistic just all out hope, Lebron and Bosh.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Yeah, that doesn't seem possible
And we are still lacking an inside presence. Not good. We need to pry a scoring PF from somewhere.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 24, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
We should trade for a better PF
if we get JJ+LBJ
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 24, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
could we trade deng
in a sign and trade for bosh? Deng + Taj + JJ for Bosh?
is it possible to end up with Bosh, JJ, Lebron, Rose, Noah????
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 24, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Iso Joe is coming to town.
He’s better than Hinrich, and Thibs is a better coach than Woodson. Still…
Bosh or Bust
by JockstrapNoah on Jun 24, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
nice sign jj
and sign and trade bosh
trade deng and someother parts
or they could do the orlando deal
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
do you want Bosh more than Lebron?
honest question.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
so you think the signing of JJ is for a S/T of him for Bosh?
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
I'm for it
When the Bulls had money for one guy, getting JJ was an awful idea. But with 2? 2!!! Suddenly we’re going for a title this year, and JJ’s a good guy to overpay for.
Depends
who the second one is. What if it’s David Lee because Lebron, Wade and Bosha re all in Miami?
DEJESUS!!!
Then we're still a contender, though not a favorite
You gotta take that chance though. Besides, what is your option if you don’t sign JJ? Hoping to get Bosh and LeBron? What then if you miss on both?
This is a dumb, dumb question...
…but how much better is:
Rose – Johnson – Deng – Lee – Noah
than
Rose – Johnson – James – Gibson – Noah?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
So much better
If Lebron isn’t on that second team.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 24, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
hah!
switched it wrong
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
wow, you got me there!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
^^This
Agreed, especially if the JJ deal is 4/$50 rather than a longer-term deal.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
No way we're getting him for less than his last contract
Which was like 4 years and 55 million. I’d say he’s gettable for 4 years, 60 million. I hope.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 24, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
You're correct - my bad
I made a typo. It was 4/$60. Pardon.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
Yeah.. I've always been on the JJ bandwagon myself
As a guy to add with LeBron or a PF, as long as he didn’t come alone. Which is probably why I’m the only one who doesn’t believe this move guarantees us getting JJ, just b/c I’m being irrationally pessimistic about it.
JJ and LeBron would be fantastic.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
aw man
i was actually looking for that billboard you could see from the el tracks (forgot which station) that said
Born in Sioux City
Battle Tested in Chicago
Traded to Washington (what i wanted to add)
of course I couldnt find the pic and i dont know how to use photoshop
ok just heard the announcment on espn neews
said this deal is in good faith could fall through…. and it would put us over the top for two max FA
can u say lebron and bosh??
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 3:56 PM CDT reply actions
Rumors.. big deal
There was a rumor we were trading Luol to the Clippers just this morning.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
...what if we do?
lol. you have a good point, I concede, but, I’m just.
god I’m so anxious for July 1st & 8th, Im trying to water down the kool aid a bit, you know?
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Well if it's JJ and LeBron
I don’t think that’s really watering anything down. That’s still a dominant team.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's watering.
I think Bosh + Lebron + Rose + Noah (+ Thibs) would be an absolute dominant team, while I think JJ + Rose + Noah + Lebron (+Thibs) would be a championship team.
it’s still like. awesome either way. Im just opting to choose the lesser of the two awesomes, because I feel its more realistic.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
OT- KC is such a phony piece of shit
That asshole has been stating his “opinion” that he thinks Johnson would be a good fit for a while now. That idiot has known this shit for a while and he’s doing the Bulls a favor by talking up Johnson. This really bugs me. How the hell can we be so committed to one guy?
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
Kirk Hinrich = Jordan 2.0
Drafted by Chicago
Loved by the Fans
Retired for one season (07-08)
Came Back and played OK
Will Now play for the Wizards
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by Faizamaze on Jun 24, 2010 4:03 PM CDT reply actions 9 recs
What about Amare?
let’s say Bosh goes with Wade to MIA, we can also sign JJ, LBJ and sign and trade Deng for Amare…. I remember Phoenix was interested in Deng and they need a SF because who knows how long G. Hill will be around.
It’s a nice back up play at least.
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
by tyrus4prez on Jun 24, 2010 4:06 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd be okay with that too
Assuming Thibs and Noah can beat some defensive sense into his skull
Goodbye Kirk
FIrst of all I think all of us wish Captain Kirk the best! The negativity surrounding Kirk on this site isn’t directed toward him directly but more of Paxson’s reluctance to part with his draft picks. This “loyalty” has hindered the team in the past and now I believe the Org is looking BIG which is what they must do.
Goodluck Kirk and thanks for the memories! Now….time to change the franchise for the next decade! GO BULLS!
I think the negative feelings about Kirk
Had to do with the franchise overvaluing him as a player, rather than that he sucked. I’d like to think that most of us realize that Kirk was a pretty good player in his time with the Bulls, but the franchise treated him as something far more than that, based upon a bunch of bullshit intangible value that he supposedly brought to the table.
For most of us, it was never about Kirk himself. It was about the undeserved regard in which he was held by the front office.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
by Jivas on Jun 24, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I agree.
And you saying it so elegantly makes me feel a whole lot better about wanting to trade him.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Ditto.
But there just seems to still be so many question marks. I’m just glad that we may be able to fall on a few solid second-tier free agents if our primary plan goes ka-plooey.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 24, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Kirk Hinrich is the #1 trending topic on twitter
by knickknack7450 on Jun 24, 2010 4:09 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
In the US, yes.
Bulls fans run the internetz
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahahahahahahaha this should be priceless
Tonight’s Draft coverage on Bulls.com includes a live fan chat and Sam Smith’s reactions to each pick.
I still think the other day when someone made the story up
about Sam Smith yelling “noooo” but upon closer listen he actually said “Joe” was probably the funniest moment of the internet of the past 2 weeks for any Bulls fan.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Instant snark
delayed wisdom
eternal pain
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm wondering which was more unexpected.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Obviously 2008
I think this is one of the happiest times Bulls fans have had in awhile, but none of this would be possible without the luck to draft our little rose.
"You know what Neil, stop being such a sourpuss." - Stacey King
This one
We knew in 2008 we would draft Rose.
This year we had only hopes and years of disappointment in trying to move Hinrich.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Considering everyone seems to assume JJ is coming here.
And Luol is redundant if we have both LeBron and JJ.
Do we trade Luol for Al Jefferson?
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 4:15 PM CDT reply actions
idk if everyone seems to assume that
so much as I have a lot of times and we seem to run into each other a lot in this fanshot.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
The problem is
Minnesota will only do that trade if they have to draft Favors. And I do not think they will.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 24, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
i keep wondering
if we can still sign and trade for bosh with Deng + James Johnson + Taj
and somehow end up with JJ-Rose-Noah-Bosh-Lebron
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 24, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
S&T Deng for JJ
or Bosh. Depends on who we want to give max money.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Here
Lebron $16.5 mil
Bosh – $16.5 mil
Rose – $5.5 mil
Noah – $3.1 mil
Total from those 4 – $41.6 mil
Cap projects to be ~$56 mil, leaving us $14.4 mil in cap space. However, we’d have to set aside a little over $3 mil in cap space as roster holds for the 7 unfilled roster spots, meaning JJ would have to accept a deal starting at about $11.5 mil. That’d be turning down a lot of money.
Brad Miller is god.
Sure, grab a cookie.
From Grinder In Training.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 24, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
From KC:
If the trade goes down, the Bulls might consider re-signing free agent Chris Duhon to replace Hinrich.
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/bulls-poised-to-trade-hinrich-to-wizards.html
by wjb1492 on Jun 24, 2010 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
And I'm sad again.. I hate Chris Duhon.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
But
We won’t have to deal with our coach constantly playing Duhon over Ben Gordon. That, more than anything Duhon did when he was here, was the source of our frustration.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
by Jivas on Jun 24, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very true.
Although rumors of his just being a drunk who was late all the time, didn’t do much for me either.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, Duhon is fine as a backup PG playing 10 minutes a night
I thought the Bulls had tired of his partying ways, though?
I saw Duhon at bars at least 5 times when he was here
And I’d have no problem seeing him a 6th.
by pooriejay on Jun 24, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Duhon>>>Pargo
I dont care for either of them tho.
by T.Moore on Jun 24, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is KC Johnson paid to piss on anyone's good time?
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Hahahaha
I hate Dewey Decimal… because in order for him to have good stats you have to move the decimal.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 24, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, yes he is
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh my
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking this earlier
Du is a solid backup PG, can hit the 3, and knows how to party!
by The90sBullsRevival on Jun 24, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
KC is just trying to break blogabull
becuase that chatter is going to create a thousand comment thread.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
first pargo
now possibly duhon???? almost my two least favorite bulls ever.
ughhhh i think i might throw up lol.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
There's our new punch bag... Gar is always thinking about the fans
Stage one: Fire Vinny (check)
Stage two: Hire a good coach (check)
Stage three: Draft a SG who shoots 3
Stage four: Sign a top 3 FA
Stage five: Trade Deng, Hinrich, whoever not named Rose or Noah to get another top FA
Aldridge . . .
The Washington Wizards and Chicago Bulls have agreed to a trade that will send Bulls guard Kirk Hinrich and Chicago’s first-round pick, 17th overall, to Washington for a future second-round pick, a league source confirmed Thursday. The deal will clear Hinrich’s $9 million salary off of the Bulls’ salary cap for next season, as well as the $1.3 million in guaranteed first-year money they would have had to pay their first-round pick, and reduce Chicago’s payroll for next season to $22.8 million—which would, if the current projection of a $56.1 million salary cap for the 2010-11 season holds, allow the Bulls to be able to sign two maximum salaried free agents starting next week.
The Wizards have coveted the 29-year-old Hinrich for several seasons, wanting his veteran presence in their backcourt and his ability to play both guard spots. Besides his on-court skill Washington believes that Hinrich can be a solid mentor for John Wall, whom the Wizards will take with the first pick in tonight’s NBA Draft. Hinrich was a good instructor for Derrick Rose, the Bulls’ star guard who was also taken first overall in the Draft two years ago.
by Option27 on Jun 24, 2010 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
does this mean we DO have enough money for two tide-and-true maxs?
ie Lebron + JJ/Bosh
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
it means we have enought for bosh and leBron
…
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
why did the cap projections from this trade suddenly change?
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Okay, $22.8 mil for 5 people
I think that means 7 roster holds of 500k each, so $26.3 mil. Two outright sign max deals = 16.6mil x 2 = $33.2 mil + $26.3 mil = over the cap. If that math is right, we’re still a few million from getting Bosh and LeBron. I could very well be wrong.
If they go for Joe Johnson
they might not need the two full maxes. Maybe he agrees with 12-13 to start…
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 24, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
even though the cap space is great
it seems kinda depressing they got the pick AND hinrich for a second round pick.
i’m glad they were finally willing to show that they would move him, but i guess i’ll be happier overall if free agency pans out. or maybe depressed, lol.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
It's only depressing if you they can't use the capspace on someone worth Kirk and the 17th.
Same thing with letting Gordon go. Only depressing if the cap space isn’t used on someone better, but it’s still going to be a long couple of weeks.
Just finish watching washington post live
and the guys on the show were talking about the trade and said that the bulls could be picking for the wizs at 17 and that the wizs would have to get rid of or trade some of their guards……..also stated that the trade would be finalize on july 8
The only guards they have under contract
are Arenas, Young, Ross and the eventual Wall. They can just renounce Foye.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Jay Bilas just included Hinrich when talking about the stars from the 2003 draft on ESPN.
"You know what Neil, stop being such a sourpuss." - Stacey King
Well he is a pretty solid NBA player
Most teams would be happy to have Hinrich, hell.. we’d be happy to have him if we weren’t trying to go nuts in free agency.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
if after this trade they dont get the chosen one,
ima be pissed. this is def. a go big or go home kinda trade.
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
well, if they got Bosh + JJ, I wouldn't be pissed
but if they don’t get Bosh or “the chosen one”, then, yeah, sure, let’s be angry.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Bulls fans have been crying for a star for years, if they complain now about losing Hinrich they can root for the Blazers.
This is the kind of trade they wouldn’t make 3 years ago.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
go big or go home type of trade
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
Good bye Kirk, you elfish bastard...
HELLO JOE JOHNSON, LEBRON JAMES, AND 6 MORE CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!!!!!!
so......
if lets say before july 1st
knicks, mia, and chi all have enough cap to sign two max guys
chi would by far have the best nuc of young players
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 4:26 PM CDT reply actions
I have to agree.
Wade + Lebron + Bosh seems like a great team for the ages,
Noah + Rose + Lebron + Bosh seems like a better team for the ages
you can replace the 2 free agents as possible, but in terms of potential greatness, we’ve got to be feeling pretty decent.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
I thought they had enough for 3
if one of those was Wade
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
given that Im sure most of us here believe Wade is resigning with the Heat
then I was correct in the Wade as a nucleus vs Noah/Rose as a nucleus.
And, Im trying to put aside my Bulls fanship for that part, but I really think a good defensive center and a great point guard, both very young is a better nucleus than a superstar shooting guard who’s young but less young.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Only if the can trade Beasley
which they haven’t done yet as far as I can tell.
lol from Woj's twitter
“For everything the Heat’s tried to simply give him away, there isn’t one team yet willing to take Michael Beasley into cap space.”
http://twitter.com/wojyahoonba
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
by dantheman3k on Jun 24, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
dude
Not even for 2nd round picks.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
How cool would it be
if we traded for Beasley and had him as our starting PF?
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
It would suck
Beasley is a major project. His offensive skills as a young player aren’t nearly as effective against NBA defenses. And his defense is really awful.
He’s not a particularly good rebounder either since most of his big numbers in high school and college came off this odd “throw it at the rim” offense. He’d just clean up his own misses for putbacks.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
How far he has fallen.
From “YOU CAN’T PASS UP 20/10 GUYS IN THE DRAFT” to “Sorry, Keyon Dooling is more valuable than your wannabe Glenn Robinson ass.”
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Ehhhhhh
I’m not loving this deal over anything involving Deng. I know Deng is a better player, but his contract is one of the worst in basketball at the moment. If you can dump him on anyone, you should do it. I thought Hinrich had a little more value.
But if it results in two start free agents, I’m happy. If they strike out again, it was a bad deal.
by Niwrad on Jun 24, 2010 4:27 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Deng's deal isn't in the top 100
worst deals in the NBA. He’s getting paid exactly what he’s worth as an above average starting 3 guard who scores rebounds and defends.
Hinrich was getting paid starter’s money for what had to become a backup role on the Bulls as he is simply not a good enough scorer to start as a 2 guard.
It is a real bad contract
Sorry, his contract goes to 2014. They’ll be paying him over 13 and 14 million dollars in those last 2 years. The same two years that Rose will be starting his next contract. Not to mention smack dab in the middle of Noah’s next contract. So if you’re assuming the Bulls bring in 2 stars this offseason, you better plan on JR going way over the salary cap.
Deng is a good player, better than Hinrich. But he’s not worth close to that amount of money. He was the 3rd best player on an 8-seeded team in the East. He is making All-Star money. Not to mention that his game doesn’t seem to mesh well with Rose at all.
Like I said, I’d much rather have him off the books and much more flexibility to add a veteran role player or two in the coming years. If you put Lebron and someone else on this team in the offseason, you’re paying $13+ million for a guy who’d be lucky to score 10 points a game.
He's 25.. It's a very average contract.
It’s no where near hte worst contract in basketball.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It will definitley be worse than average
If Deng declines the next 4 years. I think his last season was, in a lot of ways, his best season. His performance is worth like 10-12 million, so being paid 14 isn’t that bad. But if he declines, whoever has him is in a lot of trouble. Hinrich-esque trouble.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 24, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Considering that there are only like 300 players in the NBA
I’m pretty sure it is in the top 100. But yeah it’s not that bad.
Brad Miller is god.
THE CARTER HAS BEEN SHUT DOWN!
On Kirk’s career as a bull.
by T.Moore on Jun 24, 2010 4:31 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
I've been waiting for
this day since he’s been drafted
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jun 24, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Chapter, right?
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 24, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
If the Bulls trade Deng too before signing anyone
They know something about who they will be signing and they already have agreements. Just my humble opinion.
I personally think they already know they're getting JJ
and just trying to make sure they can make a run at Lebron after getting their awkward choice for a first signing
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
why, why not go after amare, boozer, bosh
before settling? Joe Johnson will be there
by The90sBullsRevival on Jun 24, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably to make sure they don't end up empty handed
and we do need a real SG
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 24, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
theres some guy named Lebron who people is sayin can really play sum ball
i thinks theyre gonna go after him
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
er...
is Boozer going to play small forward or something?
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
im thinking they already know...now it get fun
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
I love the trade, but
damn can we get #30 and #35 outta them.. Especially, if like it’s being said, it still leaves a couple mil over the “2 Max Contract” line. Those 2 picks could be valuable bench assets, or chips in a sign and trade later on this summer
yea especiallu cause i wanted a reason to watch the draft tonight
by knickknack7450 on Jun 24, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
well the trade cant be done till july 8th
so you should watch it on a casual assumption that we’re keeping our draft pick.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Maybe we trade for Fernandes tonight...
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 24, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
They don't have a 3
I think Blatche will get the most minutes at the 4. Maybe they’ll take James Johnson. Do they have better options at #17?
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Surprised to see this too
I can’t imagine there wasn’t a team who wouldn’t want Hinrich on it, even as a bench guy. The Lakers could sure use someone to replace Fisher and Orlando could use some perimeter help. His contract isn’t good, but the final year is only $8 million and would make an attractive expiring contract.
I thought we could have at least gotten an early 2nd rounder for him.
Bulls aren't really in a position to demand anything
And teams know they can just get him from the Wizards during the season, it’s not like the Wizards are going to be in the playoffs.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 24, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Poor Kirk Hinrich
goes from backing up Rose to Wall/Arenas. When will he find a starting gig?
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
He had but his game peaked 2 years ago
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 24, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sad, he's only 29.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 24, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
The Knicks better pray that these free agents really love Spike Lee movies
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 4:41 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
i think the knicks are all but eliminated
If bulls have to max contracts -
knicks have nothing to sale
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Rose and Noah plus two maxes... yeah, goodnight NY.
Have fun with Lee and Gay.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 24, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
For the Hinrich Bashers
How quickly you forget that Kirk was one of the guys who helped turn this franchise around from their abysmal state. He had some huge games in the playoffs over his career and he played hard every night. Not the most talented player, but a solid NBA player.
I’m not saying we shouldn’t have traded him, just saying it’s sad to see the bashing. I enjoyed watching him play over the years. I will be someone giving him a big round of applause when he comes back to town. Then I’ll go cheer our new acquisitions who just got done mailing in a couple playoff series’.
It's not really Hinrich we loathe
It’s the org that refused to accept his decline. They continually tried to say he was much more than he actually produced.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
That's fine
It was a crappy deal and they overpaid him. I still enjoyed watching him play and he gave us some good moments. He was a part of the team for a long time and was a part of it during the crappiest of times. I’m happy about the trade, although I’d prefer it to be Deng. But always sad to see a hard working player like that go in any sport.
and get a big contract and your game go down
haters gonna hate.
He was payed to do more. it’s Kirk’s own fault
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 24, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
all i read was
wah wah wah, im a little girl thats sad to see hinrich gone
lol i dont think anyone on this blog is a fairweather fan
but be easy man, its time to move onto bigger and better things, I even bought a hinrich jersey!
I would have been sad, but only
if his contract was less that 5 million/yr.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 24, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Kirk Hinrich =
Washington’s expensive backup pg
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
by tyrus4prez on Jun 24, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
he's an $8mil expiring contract next year. that's not terrible.
this year, he’s the combo backup for wall and young. arenas gets traded away (surely everyone has seen this coming ever since… you know) and kirk is the anti-gilbert. just what they’re looking for, plus a rookie at 17.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
It's hard to really see it but
I think we all love Hinrich for his play. We all wish he hadn’t started to decline as soon as he was paid, and wish he was paid appropriately.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jun 24, 2010 4:45 PM CDT reply actions
Dude
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
Fyi, Doug Thonus' guy JOHN, the one that predicted a lot of this, just chimed in with this:
deng on the move,sacramento and clips fighting for his services,bulls want out of the draft,whoever gives more nothing will get deng
Take it for what it’s worth, but it definitely makes a lot of sense
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
That's from a RealGM thread btw
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Ain't gonna happen
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
we can dream right?
I mean, we did just trade Kirk so who knows what else is possible
"You know what Neil, stop being such a sourpuss." - Stacey King
It would be amazing, but there's just no way
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Would love to see it
If we can dump Deng too, I’d be ecstatic. Can allow us to grab an outside shooter like Mike Miller or JJ Reddick, or a defensive stopper to go along with the new stars. I really don’t think Deng would fit in at all with Lebron and another top free agent.
what does this even mean???
whoever gives more nothing will get dang??
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Meaning, whoever gives the most cap relief
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
we have enough room for two max guys now
who would we be clearing more cap for?
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
seriously, Rose + Noah + blank slate
that’s awesome. I’d rather have Deng, but Rose + Noah + blank rocks.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jun 24, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
two max players
and an “exceptional” supporting cast.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Reddick or Miller?
They would be two nice role players who can knock down 3’s. Or maybe they’ll need to take a salary on like Hedo in a sign and trade for Bosh.
but....
but….
deng goes to $11m!
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
by marionette on Jun 24, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"more nothing"
that’s hilarious
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
On second thought, that had to have been posted before the Hinrich deal
The out of the draft part makes no sense otherwise. JOHN missed that one…
he jumps high...
I bet Charlotte would match….
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Bulls have as much cap room as mia now.
mia can sign to guys so wade and ?
knicks can sign two guys lebron and bosh??
now chi can sign two guys
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 4:52 PM CDT reply actions
This warms the cockles of my heart.
Minimum 8-Peat.
by messwiththebull on Jun 24, 2010 4:53 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I wonder how many of us here
Are old enough to remember that line from SNL…. :)
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
I'm reading comments about how the Bulls can't sign Bosh and James.
Can somebody clear this up for me?
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
They're around 2 mil short of being able to sign two max free agents
However the difference is negligible enough to where they should be able to work something out. That is, if they even want Bosh. Could be that they want Joe Johnson and won’t even have to give him the max. We shall see
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
thank you very much
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
by lexmarklover on Jun 24, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
no problem :)
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Bosh wants to be the star
Bosh has made it clear he wants to be the star of wherever he goes. So I think it’s much more likely to see Lebron/Johnson, Lebron/Boozer, or Lebron/Lee than Lebron/Bosh.
Or, maybe that interview you're referriing to is over a year old
and people are way overreacting to it. At this point it’s almost an impossibility for him to go to a team where he’s THE man. Unless he wants to stay in Canada
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
In other news, so much for the 5000 draft threads
discussing who we should get at #17. Well, that was fun.
by YaoPau on Jun 24, 2010 4:54 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
haha I called that shit
bulls will trade their pick away
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 4:55 PM CDT reply actions
Woj . . .
After pre-draft deals, here’s one team’s projection of summer cap space: Knicks, $34.2 million; Bulls, $29.1 mil.; NJ, $27.2; Miami, $26.2.
Miami at $26.2??
I don’t understand how that’s right at all
I think that's
with Wade signed.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
They only have $5.8 mil tied into contracts
Even with Wade that should be higher I think
well I think i heard Juiceboxjerry say..
the bulls are just short of the cap space for two max guys
but these numbesr say they do
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
If Deng gets dumped too
I’d start to wonder if a deal is in place for Bosh already. Rumors were that Toronto would give up Bosh to anyone who would take Hedo with him. So maybe getting rid of both means they have to take on both contracts and still have room for Lebron.
That's an interesting thought
But Bosh would have to sign-off on the deal to a team, and it seems a little too unlikely to believe that he’s already agreed to a S+T to Chicago.
Although, as (I think) YaoPau noted above, the Deng rumor likely pre-dated the Hinrich trade, and may no longer be valid (if it was valid to begin with, of course).
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
I thought about how the Bulls stack up to the Heat while driving to get tacos
Here’s my thinking: If the Bulls have Rose/Joe Johnson/Deng/Taj/Noah and the Heat have Wade/Bosh/Beasley, the Bulls could still have the edge.
The Heat might have the better roster, but both teams are so stacked that whatever team LeBron chooses automatically becomes the clear favorite, so minor differences in team quality don’t matter. At that point, LeBron can choose to win titles by sharing the spotlight with Wade, or be the undisputed man in Chicago.
what if they unload Deng?
What’s better? Rose + Noah or Wade?
I like the former, but man.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
does Lebron wanna play with Wade? Really?
Does Wade want to? I think they are too high profile, too alpha dog
by The90sBullsRevival on Jun 24, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Then we would have some interesting things to watch
how much our youngs can improve?
who will get the best ring chasers?
will pat riley coach?
will Thibs defense be awesome?
how will we use the extra money (left for the second FA)?
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 24, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
So if the Bulls pull off two marquee signings?
Do I have to eat shit for all the trash I talked about GarPax? Were they secretly diabolical masterminds with a great plan?
Lebron is the prize.
I don’t care who the other FA is!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
OK everybody listen!!!
WE HAVE ENOUGH CAP FOR TWO MAX GUYS!!!!!! SO STOP SAYING WE DON’T GEORGE SMITH ON THE BULLS WAS JUST INTERVIEWED ON ESPN AND HE SAID BULLS HAVE ENOUGHT FOR TWO MAX GUYS
i REPEAT BULLS HAVE ENOUGHT FOR TWO MAX GUYS
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 5:15 PM CDT reply actions
im just saying...
everyones like wait can we or can’t we sign two guys
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
im assuming when the are referring to max guys
that its bosh and lebron money… since when have the term max guy been thrown around with JJ
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
you're assuming wrong
different players have different max contracts…a lot of people have been lumped into the category “max guy”
the general consensus, until recently is that Joe Johnson was one of those guys
Broussard:
Chris_Broussard If Chi trades away contracts of Deng and Hinrich, i don’t see how LeBron and Bosh can resist joining Rose and Noah.
I can’t imagine days like this without Twitter.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I think you only trade Deng for a top pick
We don’t need to clear out Deng, we need to clear out $4 mil, and I’d hate to lose a good player in the process. Al Farouq Aminu and Paul George won’t help us recruit any big names.
How do you convince Lebron to sign
with Luol Deng on your roster?
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you effin' serious?
You are. That makes you an idiot.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
if all we have to do is free up 4 mill...
then we have alot of options in going about this…
trade deng for a sg?
trade deng for a draft pick
keep deng and package other players like taj or james johnson
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Do the heat have enough cap space to sign 3 max players?
i thought that they had enough for only 2
Sportcenter mention that they would have enough for 3
and i don’t think that they would…….just wade and another max freeagent
LOL
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
hah yeah...
No i’m in Guatemala, I signed up for the Bulls alerts thing where you get scores and news texted to you…since obviously Ican’t catch every game here
guatemala?
nnnnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
lol
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
Whole key is going after Bosh first
Everyone is going after Lebron … if we go after Bosh first, it’ll increase our chances of getting him (and Lebron) because if sign him first (and early), LeBron will have no choice but to sign with Bulls
Where 79-44 lead turns into a 4 point loss Happens
Bosh 2010
by Orange Juice on Jun 24, 2010 5:48 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't think it matters
Everyone, including Bosh, knows Lebron is the first domino to fall
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Broussard:
Chris_Broussard Just got confirmation from league official that Ric Bucher’s report of Kirk Hinrich, #17 and $ to Wizards is definite. Gr8t for Bulls fan
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
Alan Hahn, a New York writer:
alanhahn This Bulls move today is a killer. This is Michael Jordan in the 1990s all over again.
He may not be married, but he's got plenty of Thibo-hoes.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 24, 2010 5:56 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
::posts in epic Kurt FanShot::
"I'm going to enjoy an apple in bed." - Derrick Rose
by E-Grizzle on Jun 24, 2010 5:56 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
new thread is up.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 6:08 PM CDT reply actions
here's my revised prediction
chi – lebron bosh
mia – wade ,amire, jj
by Da Bears2333333 on Jun 24, 2010 6:11 PM CDT reply actions
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