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is joe johnson
a better defender than kobe? I think so…maybe im the only one
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Kobe's defense is slightly overrated.
He shouldn’t be in the all defense team for 6 damm years
by T.Moore on May 5, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
true
And specially this year. He didn’t have such a great season
by JustAnotherFan on May 6, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
all biases aside,
is rondo actually a good defender? My view of the Bulls vs Celtics series last year, at least in terms of point guards, was that defensive incompetence made their (rose and rondo) offensive performances look even better
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
supposedly he's good, and he does lead the league in steals.
but rose did burn him for 20+ points and caused rondo to get into foul trouble & finish with 4 points the last time we played them
[if i recall correctly]
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
Rondo is horribly overrated as a defender. He gets rebounds and steals, which have value, but he also gambles and
watches the ball way too much.
Jeff Van Gundy '10
by fundamentallysound on May 5, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly!
Watching the final Bulls/Celtics matchup, the reason Rose DESTROYED Rondo was because it seemed like Rose knew all of Rondo’s gambles, probably from playing him so much in the playoffs.
Rondo would try to force Derrick into changing directions by sliding a lot, but with his handles and speed Rose avoided Rondo’s steal attempt on the crossover. It’s something that Paul and Rubio do a lot too, try and lull the defender into a crossover (instead of sagging on him) and use length to steal the ball.
Nate Robinson does the same thing. Short guys seem to do this a lot since backing off is dangerous when you don’t have the size/length to contest a jumper.
"Freeze it!... now roll it!" -Stacey King, greatest analyst ever.
by WalmartSecurity on May 5, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
He's also allowed to gamble
Having Perkins and KG in the post to clean up the mistakes, that helps his steals stat considerably.
He’s ok defensively, but I agree not nearly as good as the rep.
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by majoyenrac on May 6, 2010 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The All
defensive team is just like the Gold Glove, its all about rep.
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 6, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think so
I think he’s a good defender. Never rests. And I do hate his ugly face
by JustAnotherFan on May 6, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions
He gets a ton of steals, but without elite big men to back him up PGs eat him alive.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on May 5, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks guys
I assumed it was either something like that or just that Rose was the exception rather than the rule and continuously made him look silly…looks like the former
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
Kendrick Perkins is one of the best defensive centers in the NBA
KG ain’t too shabby either.
by LoveForTheGame on May 5, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
That's my point?
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on May 6, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions
But using what you have is smart basketball
That said I wish Brad had broken Rondo’s nose in last year’s playoffs
by JustAnotherFan on May 6, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
maybe i should rephrase this.
i thought the league was going to punish floppers, not reward them.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Yeah
I’d say Varejao is a very effective defender….he gets in your face, he causes charges, he flops, he hustles. I see no issues wtih Anderson on the team. He’s a solid defender and that keeps him in the game.
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But it should've been
Kendric Perkins, instead of the Flop Princess, Joakim Noah destroyed him in the 1st round.
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 6, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Bulls of note...
Hinrich received 9 votes and Noah received 4. The great defensive stalwart Tyrus Thomas did not receive any notes.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Neither did any other bench player
but I do grant you, he’s no Warrick.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on May 5, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Anderson Varejao.
And his seven starts begs to differ.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
He couldn't overcome Vinnyhate
but what goes around comes around. But you got me there.
Are you saying Tyrus is a lousy defensive player?
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on May 5, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
No...
But I am saying that his defensive contributions were overrated by some (you)…I think Tyrus was an above average help defender and below average man defender…he grabs stats like Rondo, but not prolific enough in any area to be recognized…ultimately, he is too inconsistent to be valued by others in the league…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
I actually think the opposite
I think when geared Tyrus’s man defense is amazing, and I think his weak side blocks, mask the fact that his team defense was mostly awful as he found himself out of position.
He has the tools to be the best defender in the league, but like verything else with TT, his mind’s just not always there unfortunately.
I thought as a man to man defender he was top notch, and he was good at the weak side help blocks, but he is so often out of position away from the ball, that I’d say his team defense is the worst aspect of his D game.
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I'm not sure why you have such a different perspective
but i too thought Tyrus’s man defense was awful.
If his man had an outside shot, you could virtually guarantee he’d be hitting wide open jumpers all day. Tyrus’s eyes were glued on the ball and the potential for him to get steals and weak-side blocks. If his man drifted outside, Tyrus would never realize it until it was too late.
If his man tried to back Tyrus down inside, you could count on him to give position away without any fight, as he tried to angle himself for a block. His blocks almost never happened on his own man, because he was so far under the basket by that time. This also allowed his man excellent position for offensive rebounds.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
True points
I guess barring the outside Lewis type of PF, I thought Tyrus when focused really was a solid man to man defender, and saw more problems with him sitting there lost out of position not moving around the top of the FT line while his man undercut for an easy layup using a screen on a play….
I remember more the focus he could have on man to man D and be a stopper….and think his weak side D was flashier, but masked how he was so often out of position away from the ball.
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no bogut either. must be a hell of a think tank voting on these.
there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.
-MPG
Hinrich also got a 1st place vote.
Wonder if Sam Smith gets a fruit basket for his blatant homerism?
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on May 5, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The coaches vote for this honor...
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
right, only hollinger recently mentioned that half the time the coaches let someone else (say, the public relations person)
fill out the ballot.
there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.
-MPG
Alvin Gentry
of the Suns has said that Hinrich is the best defender at his position in the league…..
I don’t know if the coach’s vote, but that could be the culprit.
Hinrich is a solid defender.
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Wow, the voters are really dumb.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Because you don't agree with them?
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
Because they're wrong.
Hinrich with 9 votes, Noah with 4 and Deng with none? So horribly wrong.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on May 6, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Artest is not the defender he once was.
Should have been Iguodala.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on May 5, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Is this sarcasm?
I haven’t seen any Sixers games this year…but Ron Artest’s hands are just so quick, and he’s pretty strong…Rondo got his nose for the ball from him.
by Stacey_Is_King on May 5, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
He's lost a step though
Although he appears to have regained it in the postseason.
Brad Miller is god.
Artest is still
pretty darn good when he’s trying hard, but he can’t keep up that kind of pace on a regular basis anymore.
On that note, Lebron doesn’t try for most of the game either. He routinely guards the other team’s weakest offensive player for most of the game and just roams around, and then puts himself on their best scorer for the last 3 minutes. I don’t think he should be rewarded over someone who checks the best scorer the whole game.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
Iguodala has turned into one of the best perimeter defenders in the league.
He’s on a worthless team with no profile so he probably won’t get much credit, but I’m more impressed with him than Thabo or Artest.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on May 6, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Lebron's a flashier defender.
And in actuality, Lebron IS a great defender. Even while his blocks are fancy, they do have a huge impact, especially against teams (like the Bulls) where transition offense is crucial to success.
"Freeze it!... now roll it!" -Stacey King, greatest analyst ever.
by WalmartSecurity on May 5, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Does that automatically make him a great defender though?
by Stacey_Is_King on May 6, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Lebron
Has turned into a fantastic defender. He was killer in our series. Those fancy blocks, fancy as they are were always also turning point blocks for his team defensively.
I am shocked just how much he’s improved defensively (because he was lost even 3 years ago) now he seems rarely out of position and geared.
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Don't be such haters
He’s fast, gets good steals, blocks a lot of shots and is a good rebounder. Not to mention very few people have the guts to take him on a one-on-one (Go Deng!). Right now he’s easily better than Artest and every aspect you can imagine.
by JustAnotherFan on May 6, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Just because he gets highlight blocks
doesn’t mean he is a great defender. He’s maybe good but not a great “on the ball defender” but I have to say he is improving
why no votes for Deng?
I read somewhere on this blog that he was an excellent defender
Kobe is a great defender like 25% of the year. Rondo is overrated like Payton was…just gambles and gets a lot of steals. Not really locking anyone down…Payton was better defensively than Rondo due to his size.
This article:“http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1071” gives a good, stat-based breakdown of the top defenders this year. Luol Deng gets an honorable mention. Rondo’s still 1st team, so apparently the numbers back up his reputation. However, I think that could be attributed to the talent around him, due to the flaws of defensive metrics.
Brad Miller is god.
so which PGs are good defenders then?
there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.
-MPG
You know, I asked the same question to myself
My pure hatred for Rajon Rondo would not allow me to accept that Rondo is the best defensive PG in the NBA. I do actually believe that at least part of his good defense can be attributed to the talent around him. I think he’s good, but I just didn’t think that he’s the best. But looking at the other names on that list, none of those guys stand out to me as stellar defenders. I’ll take Kirk over Andre Miller any day (Portland almost did). The more I think about it, the more I sorta believe that in today’s NBA, PGs are so quick and athletic, that almost nobody can stay in front of them. If you have 2 guys who are the same speed playing one on one, the offensive player will win every time because there’s a mental lag between seeing your opponent move and reacting. Is there anybody who can keep guys like Westbrook and Rose in front of them on even a remotely consistent basis? Discrepancies in stats like dMult can be attributed to the big men behind them who cover their asses behind them. The fact that Rondo, Jennings, Miller, Westbrook, and Felton have good advanced defensive metrics say more about the skill of Garnett, Gerald Wallace, Bogut, Oden, Camby, and Nick Collison (don’t laugh, he’s good), IMO.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on May 6, 2010 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
yeah, but rondo, jennings and westbrook all look like they are making an impact on defense,
to the extent that it is possible to do so as a PG. I dont think it would surprise anyone who watches them play to see these guys rated as good defenders.
there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.
-MPG
It's nice that Nick Collison
Is finally getting some due. He’s a great scrapper….
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