Official SBNation Mock Draft 1.0
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 3, 2010 11:55 AM CDT
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PrintHosted at RidiculousUpside, has the Bulls picking Gordan Hayward.
Is he being overrated based on his performance in the NCAA tournament? Yes. Is he a versatile, smart player who can shoot? Yes again. I asked your friendly BullsBlogger what the Bulls might be looking for and he essentially said three-point shooting, preferably from a 2-guard and preferably with athleticism. Though Henry and Anderson both fit that description better than Hayward, it does seem Hayward will be able to step in and help an NBA team without too much trouble.
I did say 3-point shooting is the biggest need. Or I think at least it'd be the best need that could be filled immediately in the draft (inside shooting seems a tougher thing to scout).
I can't say much about the choice itself, as I'm not versed enough in college basketball. Any thoughts?
(speaking of, if you want to do draft pieces for the Bulls this summer let me know, I'll be looking for help)
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It has to be James Anderson. Why would we draft another SF? Hayward isn't quick enough to be a SG in the league.
He’s like 6’8". I will throw a fit if we pass on James Anderson for Hayward. But now that I’m looking at it, it appears he has Anderson going the spot just before us. That will also make me sad. :( But if Xavier Henry and James Anderson are both off the board? I’d say trade the pick for a future pick. No one else really entices me enough to select them at that spot.
by fundamentallysound on May 3, 2010 12:09 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I was about to rip the blog, but then I saw their board.
Xavier Henry as a top 10 pick? That seems like a reach.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on May 3, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought BABers liked him
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on May 3, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
He's a top 15 talent, probably not a guy you select in the top 10, though. I'd take him, though.
by fundamentallysound on May 3, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
And we all know BaB is the authority when it comes to draft evaluations.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on May 3, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
agree with all of this
plus (i hate to say it) he’s got the whole “white american player” thing to overcome.
which is exactly why we'll draft him
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on May 3, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
We should get Jordan Crawford.
At least we’d have somebody who has dunked on LeBron.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on May 3, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
i dont want jordan crawford
then theyre gunna take the bulls off air because he dunked on lebron
by sin on May 4, 2010 2:07 AM CDT up reply actions
is he like
jordan and gulp crawford put together?
Hayward seems fairly quick
He was getting to the hole at will all tournament (except for his last fadeaway I guess). But regardless, he shot 29% from 3 this year and was pretty mediocre until the tourney. I don’t like him for the Bulls.
I don’t know much about James Anderson, but draftexpress pummels his defense:
The biggest chink in Anderson’s armor and the main thing holding him back from being able to project him as an outstanding NBA role-player has always been his play on the defensive end. Unfortunately, not much seems to have changed this year. Anderson isn’t much of a presence at all on the perimeter, looking very upright in his stance and showing below average lateral quickness, getting beat on a regular basis off the dribble by fairly mediocre college slashers. He doesn’t use his body well enough, lacks a significant degree of physicality in his approach, and does not utilize his length at all to contest opponents’ shots.
Considering every Bulls pick since 2004 has been a good defender or Derrick Rose, I’d doubt Pax takes Anderson. Other options: I saw a few Paul George videos and was really impressed. He’s not laterally quick, but his size/hops/shot combination is rare for a mid-1st pick. Solomon Alabi has the exact resume to be the next Paxson pick.
by YaoPau on May 3, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like George as well in the videos I've seen
but I don’t know if he can play the 2 or not. His jumper looks pretty good and he’s very athletic but super thin. He’s certainly a talent though.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Why is it
that everyone assumes James Anderson can play the 2 while questioning if George can?
This logic never made any sense to me. If DraftExpress’s scouting is correct, Anderson is poor at defending shooting guards in college. I take that to mean he’ll be awful at trying to guard them in the NBA. On the other hand, George is a competent SF defender in college with good tools. Maybe he is too slow to guard SGs, who knows for sure, but if I were betting on who could handle defending 2s better in the NBA, I’d take George over Anderson 100 times out of 100 because Anderson already showed that he stinks.
By the same logic, who would be better at guarding shooting guards: Ben Gordon or Luol Deng? Of course Deng, it’s no contest, even if Deng is playing out of position.
by YaoPau on May 3, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Huh?
I’m only going by what position these guys currently play and project to on the next level. I never said he Paul George couldn’t play the 2, I said I don’t know. I’ve never seen him play, only clips so I can only go buy the reports. I don’t see how Deng being a better defender than Gordon on 2’s is relevant since the Bulls don’t play him out of position and put him on 2’s anyway. The Bulls won’t even be creative enough to play JJ at the 4 even though he could guard some 4’s. What makes you think they would draft George and even think to put him at the 2 anyway? Anderson, by all accounts, is projected as a 2 and George as a 3 on every site I’ve seen.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
You said just below this
“I would much rather have Anderson or Henry.” With George “I don’t know if he can play the 2”
As opposed to Heyward
Again, James Anderson and Henry are projected as 2’s and Heyward and George are projected as 3’s. I haven’t assumed any of them can’t play the 2 or can’t play the 3. In fact, George may have the most talent of them all, I don’t know. But yes I would still much rather have Anderson or Henry than Heyward regardless.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Question
Is that under the assumption the free agent we sign is a 4 (Bosh, Amare’, etc..) or does that opinion change if we sign a 2 like Wade or Johnson?
If we get a 2, if we don’t trade Kirk, wouldn’t it make more sense to draft another 3 like Heyward or George?
And to what you said about being creative enough to play Johnson at the 4, Vinny is gone, for all we know the next coach may be very creative in his lineups.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 6, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions
If we get a 2 like Wade or JJ
and for some reason don’t trade Kirk, I’d like to see a big guy like Solomon Alabi that can give us some depth behind Noah. That being said, Paul George may have too much talent to pass up. Your point about a new coach being more creative is a good one. Let’s hope that’s the case.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
just draft paul george and have him back up noah: he only grabs .8 fewer
rebounds per 40 pace adjusted than alabi.
there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.
-MPG
I just threw that name out there
since he’s projected in that range and is a center. Honestly, I just want to see a player that can contribute and will actually be useful, unlike a good portion of the bench this season. I still think Anderson, if he’s there, would be the best option.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
i didnt mean to be snarky. i looked at alabi too because a lot
of people have talked about him. im just a little wary of a 7’1’’ 22 year old college player who only averages 9.6 rebs per 40 mins pace adjusted.
there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.
-MPG
Averages 6.2rpg
in 25mpg, not good for a C, didn’t need rpg/p40min
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 6, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
you dont have to say stuff like this, because i will never
ever consider your inanities before i speak.
there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.
-MPG
Yeah that's not very encouraging
But his shot blocking can certainly translate. I don’t know much about him other than what the scouting reports say though.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Alabi's the player who may have too much talent to pass up
Of all the players who will conceivably be available at 17, Alabi definitely has the highest ceiling. He could be an absolutely dominant defender.
Brad Miller is god.
Problem is the draft comes before free agency
We should assume we’re getting a 4 in free agency (since there are more of them) and, consequently target a 2.
Brad Miller is god.
i agree, the bulls can always use shooting anyways.
there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.
-MPG
That's a good point
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Because I've always heard Anderson mentioned as an SG :P
No other reason. Maybe I’ve just been transposing.
Anyways … yeah, I want George on this team.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
meh, I'll take two bad defensive guards witht the front-court the Bulls do/could have
The Bulls problem is that they’ve had to draft flawed players, so they’d always take the surer defensive guy with offensive potential instead of the surer offensive guy with defensive potential. (and james johnson… and rose)
Take the offensive guy, hope his length and natural athleticism, along with Rose’s, ends up being enough to complement their offensive skills and the front court can help with the defense.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I like the Bulls logic
I’ve never seen a poor defender with poor defensive tools become a good NBA defender. For all the work that Nash/BG/Boozer/etc must put in on the defensive side, they’re still bad.
On the other hand, you see crappy offensive players developing new skills and taking their offensive game to new levels every year. Nash/Kaman/Raja/Noah/Brooks/Iguodala/Salmons are a few examples. If James Anderson is really slow laterally, then what’s the point of spending a 1st rounder on him, especially when there are plenty of 3pt shooters available for cheap this offseason (Mike Miller, QRichardson, Korver, Allen, Salmons, Redick, Morrow, Mason, Azubuike). I’d rather get someone who could be a two-way player longterm.
by YaoPau on May 3, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
at #17 he would be cheaper
and younger, you don’t always draft studs, he could be valuable piece, and you can still go out get one of the FAs along w/ having James Anderson, or draft a back-up PG, sign a SG, then trade “The Glue”, “The Craptain”, “The Thrust Miester” Kirk Hinrich.
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 3, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
i think part of it is
when it comes to role players, defensive guys are given more minutes earlier in their careers than offensive guys. i have nothing to back this up, but in general it seems kinda true (probably depends who the coach is too). so while one is afforded more time for on-the-job training, the other isn’t and unless they’re lighting it up, the coach won’t have much patience for them.
in other words, if Anderson is a Bull, i wouldn’t expect him to get many minutes in year 1. so i guess your list of 3pt shooting FAs makes more sense if we become a contender soon.
I remember seeing
Trenton Hassell get a lot tic as a Bull.
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 3, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless he is that good on offense
His numbers: 29.1 PER, 60 TS% on 31 USG%, 7.7 3pa/40, 9.2 fta/40 … are ridiculous. Especially considering he played in a major conference on a tournament team that had only one other scoring option.
I found a decent video of him here (Warning: You’re going to love James Anderson after watching it). He reminds me of Kevin Durant with his quick release coming off screens and his smart use of limited penetration ability. Really herky-jerky when penetrating though, almost like he penetrates in stages, like an American Gladiator playing Assault in 2x speed. He’s got pretty good ups on defense/rebounding.
I gotta say, watching that video I had visions of him playing next to Rose and draining tons of 3s. He’s got that quick-release, shoot-off-screens playing style that would work perfectly in the Bulls system. Hard to gauge much from his defense, but he looks like a capable help defender. Erggg okay I really like him.
by YaoPau on May 3, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's why I love him. Guys with big time offensive numbers like that in a major conference are
what you want in your guards.
I’ve been calling for him for a long time. He’s this year’s Marcus Thornton (only maybe a little better).
by fundamentallysound on May 3, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I wanted the Bulls to draft Thornton last year
Dude is smooth and can explode on a nightly basis.
Thrusting out of the playoff race, one injury at a time.
I think Anderson does have the tools to be at least an average defender.
He doesn’t have great lateral quickness, but it’s not bad, and his length makes up for that. I think he’s got the potential to be a good defender, and most likely will end up being at least average.
Brad Miller is god.
I don't agree with your examples at all.
Kaman wasn’t a poor offensive player. Kaman hasn’t taken anything to a “new level”. Aaron Brooks? meh
Bruce Bowen was a nobody nothing with Boston until he decided to commit to being a defender… and became one. I’d argue that Nash, BG and Boozer (your etc. is a poor argument tool) just aren’t that interested in defense because they are responsible for soooo much more on the offensive side (something James Anderson wouldn’t have… that he does have while he was in college)
Basically, one can question whether someone plays defense because they don’t want to or they can’t. I think for Nash et al. mentioned above, including Anderson, a lot of it is that they have to carry the offensive load. My hope is that Anderson has the skills that would translate to having an offensive load shift from a lot to a little while maintaining efficiency (catch and shoots, facilitating) and he’ll then be able to use that extra energy on the defensive side.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I honestly envision him as a Luol Deng SG.
Should probably be playing a position down on defense (SF) but his offense is good enough (and needed) for SG. And the lesser load hopes him play better D.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I don't get his examples either
Nash, Kaman, Brooks, Iguodala all projected as good offensive players coming into the NBA. With Brooks, Nash and Kaman – that is the main reason those guys were drafted. Iggy had added boost of being very athletic. If anything, those guys poor defense has been masked (Brooks, Nash, Kaman) by their teammates or coaching staff.
If the point is that those guys improved offensively while in the NBA… I don’t get that either. Doesn’t almost every NBA player worth anything add offensive skills once they enter the league?
by Basketball Smurf on May 3, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
also
guys like Ray Allen, Paul Pierce and Lebron James have radically improved their D since coming into the NBA. Guys don’t see as much hype for improving on that end, but guys in the NBA do improve defensively – especially players who were college stars.
by Basketball Smurf on May 3, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Nash BG Boozer aren't interested in defense?
There are plenty of high usage players who focus on both ends of the court. I doubt that Nash, who is machine-like in his efficiency, would completely disregard half the game out of disinterest. And we saw Gordon really try to learn defense under Skiles, though little came from it.
Brooks is an undrafted player who had a 13 PER in the D-League two years ago who now averaged 19ppg in the NBA. Kaman went from a low usage oaf to one of the league’s highest usage post scorers by developing post moves with both hands.
As for Bowen, I don’t remember him from 1998, but he played 21mpg while providing nothing offensively. It’s a safe bet that he was providing something on the defensive end. He became a starter for the Spurs when he went from a career 35% 3pt shooter to a 40% one.
Can you think of an example of a mediocre defender who became very good over time? I can’t. Every player who is a good defender now had that potential before the NBA.
It's not some much disinterest as it is lack or energy
When You’re burning it on the offensive end (both mentally and physically) you’re gonna be a little worn down on defense compared to a low usage player. It’s like the theory (which I buy into) that the top scorers in the league are effective defensively because their conterparts have to be so preoccupied with them on D and have less energy on O.
Brad Miller is god.
I can't read their minds, but all of those guys aren't that athletic compared to elite players.
maybe that’s the correlation.
If you’re a high-usage offensive player who relies on skills and… whatever, you’re not going to be a good defender. But if you are athletic and high-usage, maybe you can. Isn’t James Johnson athletic?
And I don’t expect him to be a high-usage player anyway. And yes, Pierce, Allen and James are all guys who improved greatly on the defensive end. Was Hinrich supposed to be such a good defender? And no, I don’t remember all NBA players in this context, and I can’t imagine you do, either. It’s too easy to have selective memory and that’s why I don’t trust your examples.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Besides, my point is still valid.
The Bulls have done what you suggest throughout their drafts. It’s gotten them a mediocre team. Get the low-ceiling, high-floor defensive guy and developmental offensive guy, save Ben Gordon and Derrick Rose. I think they can go for a high-ceiling, high-floor offensive player. They’ve had a No. 1 defense before, and I think it can stay Top 10. The front court, the part of the team where defense is MOST important, will be very defensive-minded save for Chris Bosh. Gibson, Deng, Noah, Asik, etc. Hinrich can play the perimeter defensive specialist.
The argument about whether a bad defender can develop into an elite is a side-track and largely irrelevant to me.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on May 4, 2010 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Bulls drafting is their only strength
All five of their starters are draft picks, and those starters are the Bulls’ major selling point to free agents. As you’ve said in the past, had the Bulls just kept all their picks (add Gordon and Tyrus back in, swap Thabo for Taj if you want) we’d be a 50+ win team.
The Bulls problems stem from turning those developed draft picks into nothing, either by giving them away (Gordon, Tyrus) or by extending them to contracts above their value (Deng, Hinrich, I’ll include Noc here). They brought all this talent in, and instead of packaging it for a star or a high pick, they let them rot.
by YaoPau on May 4, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting post that got rec'd here.
I don’t think that I agree that you should draft defense because it turns into good offense more than vice versa.
Nash has had a pretty incredible stretch over the years. He’s sucked on D, but so did Parker and he was a part of plenty of solid defensive teams. If you play smart defense, you’re not that much of a liability, it’s not a 1 on 1 game. Get in the right spot, make the right switches, you won’t be a liability at all. No, you won’t be shutting down Chris Paul or Deron Williams anytime soon, but if you have the offensive skills of Nash or Parker a few years back, it doesn’t even come close to mattering.
That being said, if we don’t have any solid shooting guards available at our spot, I would really look towards moving up.
We shouldn’t get married to Taj, if we can couple him with our pick for a really good SG prospect, then make our big FA signing a PF, we’re immediately a force. That’s not even counting an improved backup center, or a 3 point specialist like you talk about.
Which brings me to the 3 point specialist talk. I think it’s a great idea for us to grab somebody that can put 15-20 minutes a game in if we need to, though more likely 10-15 minutes if we have Rose/prospect SG/Hinrich as our rotation.
Obviously Ray Allen would be huge, but he’s not going to be “cheap.” I don’t think all of the other guys on your list would be cheap either. Salmons is already talking about opting out, if he gets $6m a year, that’s not exactly cheap if you look at our cap space, subtract a solid backup center and top PF type free agent.
So we have some interesting things to think about going into the draft. There’s a fair amount of variables, but we really have two major positions to address and then a backup center (and somebody who can shoot the 3 if our SG upgrade doesn’t do that already). You almost feel that with such a boxed in strategy of “have to upgrade PF/SG” that he Bulls can’t screw this up. I’m not holding my breath, however.
There’s way too much potential this offseason for us to be happy with Noah, Taj, Deng, Johnson, Rose as our starting 5. I’m only satisfied with that if we have a great backup center, draft somebody like Evan Turner (obviously would have to trade up) and have some decent PF/SF depth as well. Then we makeup for Taj starting by having a deep team. But that’s basically my minimum expectations to give the org a B grade this offseason. There’s just too much out there and we have way too much to work with to put together a high caliber team.
Add in “hey, lets go into the tax” and the possibilities are endless, but I just assume that won’t happen. Any decisions that put us into the tax probably equal a grade B by default, just for the effort involved, even if the decisions backfire.
by RyPac13 on May 4, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Happy you
didn’t throw Mr. Glue in that group
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 5, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
If we are sure that A) There is a SG out there that makes it worth it and B) that a team is willing to trade a pick to get that SG for Taj and our first rounder. I’d be interested to know what Taj’s value is around the league.
I don’t think he’ll improve much, but he’s a serviceable starter in this league already as a rookie.
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by Grinder in Training on May 6, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
does position really matter much
picking that late I’d be hopeful for a bench player, not our starting SG. So ‘another’ SF is needed too, take the pressure off Deng, and replace James Johnson (or better yet move him more to PF)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 3, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
id rather go elsewhere than sf
deng pretty much can’t play any position other than sf, and i dont think hayward can either. using the 17 pick on a 12 minute a night guy seems like a bit of a waste to me. i guess you could counter this by saying that deng is injury prone and having a good backup for him is more important because of that, but id rather try to fill in our roster with guys who can play multiple positions (more like a 2 guard that can play spot mins at the 3 a la salmons, or another useful 4/5).
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
You can find a "5th-best" starter in that range.
I’d rather take that chance since they have the hole than draft a definite bench guy.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
hayward played in the championship game and was the leader of butler pretty much
by sin on May 4, 2010 2:16 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
we're gonna get hayward
he’s final four tested
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
by Prevenge on May 5, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The Bulls love
guys that play on the Final 4
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 6, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
He's a good player but
as fundamentallysound said, I would much rather have Anderson or Henry. I don’t know if he is quick enough to play the 2, so drafting another SF wouldn’t make much sense. If we can’t get a 2, I would rather take the big guy Solomon Alabi for frontcourt depth. At least if anything happened to Noah, there would still be another center who could defend. I wouldn’t hate the Hayward pick, I just don’t see him helping much next year.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
by bigballa10 on May 3, 2010 12:25 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
he can't shoot well enough to play the 2 right now
i actually think he could have the handle/athleticism to play spot mins at the 2, but he was only a 29% 3 shooter in college
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
He was a much, much better 3 point shooter his first year. (45%) So it's sort of unclear which guy he is. Scouts love his release, though.
So maybe the 29% thing was a fluke or maybe it was him getting more attention (which doesn’t bode well for the next level if he couldn’t respond in college).
by fundamentallysound on May 3, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
dont like him at SG at all.
one guy we might look at is paul george. hes athletic and long as hell, and hes been very productive in his second season in spite of the fact that his body is still pretty underdeveloped. as a shooter hes done some stuff to suggest hed be very good at this going forward. he shot 45% from 3 his freshman year (on 4 attempts/game), and this year he shot 91% from the free throw line. his off-the-dribble shooting sucks, but as a spot up shooter, which is what hed be primarily for the bulls at least initially, he looks to be good.
and of course, heres the always infallible youtube scouting report.
there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.
-MPG
I dunno.
He seems very much like a SF, not a SG.
But if he’s fast enough to defend the 2 I say definitely go for it, he seems like exactly what we need – spot-up shooter, can hit threes, M2GWDAS or whatever the abbreviation is.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
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We’re going to be dreading that Bucks swap for years to come.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
We dodged the Hansbrough bullet, here's hoping we can dodge the Hayward bullet
If the draft breaks down like that, I’m taking Damion James. He’s not a SG, but he can shoot the ball and is a lot more athletic than Hayward. I’d also prefer Solomon Alabi to Hayward. Yeah he’s a project, but he’s got a ton of potential. Of course, I’d rather spend a few bucks to move up a couple spots and grab Anderson.
Brad Miller is god.
Since he started stroking it at 38% from 3 last year.
From what I’ve read his mechanics have gotten better as well.
Brad Miller is god.
He shot 41% from 3 his sophomore year too, actually
Fell off a clIff to 30% junior year but I put more stock into recent performance.
Brad Miller is god.
Anyway we can move up in this draft? We have trade bait dont we?
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$$$$$ is good enough to move up a few spots in the middle of the draft
That’s how we got Thabo. We gave PHI cash to move up from 16 to 13.
Brad Miller is god.
by the looks at this mock
id pay money not to draft this shmuck
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Most of the "experts" Mock Drafts
Have the Bulls picking either James Anderson or Xavier Henry. A one has them getting Paul George and I saw another saying they would get a backup center from Kentucky.
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by realisticoptimist on May 3, 2010 1:09 PM CDT reply actions
I would prefer Babbitt
6’9…great three point shooter (42% on around 3 attempts per game)…61.3% TS…good free throw shooter…pretty good rebounder too
Haha
I suppose there is some comparison there, but there are some huge differences.
1) Babbitt only played two years in college, and will be only 21 on draft day…Kurz played 4 years at ND.
2) Babbitt’s PER has fluctuated between 23.8 and 27.6…Kurz between 11 and 26.5
3) Babbitt has better rebounding stats
That said, I see your point :).
Could do worse..
With our pick it’s not like we’re getting D. Rose. Wouldn’t be my first option, but you could do worse than Hayward. If Henry / Anderson are gone, it’d be alright.
As long as we get a guy who can hit an open 3 consistently, I’ll be pretty happy. I don’t expect whoever we draft to be a starter, so it’s not that big of an issue for me. Our problems will be answered (or not) in free agency, the draft will just be a role player.
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by Grinder in Training on May 3, 2010 2:27 PM CDT reply actions
Correction:
With our pick it’s not like we’re getting D. Rose.
You must mean, “With our pick it’s not like we’re getting T. Gibson.”
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by chapuforyou on May 3, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
what about willie warren
he played through injuries all year, but he had a huge freshman year and probably wouldve been a lottery pick if he came out last year.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
I would
pass on Willie, his shot was broke, and should’ve probably go back for his junior year, get that education.
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 3, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
he was 37% from 3 his frosh year though
id like to believe he didnt just forget how to shoot this year, but that injuries caused his % to drop (maybe a la ben gordon this year in det?)
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
37% from 3-point range in college is not that good though
Maybe there’s a reason for his decline, or maybe he was just runnin hot his frosh year. I look at Willie Warren and see Jannero Pargo 2.0.
Brad Miller is god.
yea i wouldnt really say im enamored with him
and id prefer anderson or henry to him. but i just find it interesting that a player whose stock was so high a year ago at this time had it drop mainly due to injuries. im really just trying to find a bargain at 17 and he seemed intriguing.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
Remember his Freshman
year he had that beast Blake Griffin down low. Thats a big reason for 37%, a lot of open looks from 3.
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 4, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd like the Bulls...
to do something out-of-the-box: trade up and draft Ekpe Udoh. I found him to be highly impressive in the tournament.
by badnewsintennisshoes on May 3, 2010 6:57 PM CDT reply actions
I once found Tyrus Thomas highly impressive in the tournament
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by Grinder in Training on May 4, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Draft the best player available.
I think the Bulls are only set in only 2 spots in their starting lineup (PG and center). Taj is serviceable PF, but the Bulls could still use an upgrade there. Deng is expendable because of his contract, and the Bulls have been actively trying to trade him for the last 2 years. Kirk Hinrich is Kirk Hinrich.
If Xavier Henry is available at #13 or so, I think the Bulls should try to trade up to get him. Otherwise, I think the Bulls should just draft the best player available. If they happen to get another PF to split time with Gibson and form a nice power rotation, I think that will work too.
PS. I definitely dont think Gordon Hayward will be the best player available at #17.
kind of regretting
giving the Bucks the right to swap…
might be the difference between getting Henry and not getting him
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by DartmouthCubsFan on May 3, 2010 9:52 PM CDT reply actions
If that was the only way to get out of John Salmons singlehandedly screwing 2010 over I'll live with it.
Bulls can also maneuver to move up the draft board if they’re willing to take on a larger cap hold.
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by Ozzie Montana on May 4, 2010 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions
The cap hold difference is negligible
The difference between, for example, the 13th pick and the 17th pick is less than $300K
Brad Miller is god.
salmons is opting out
so probably wouldn’t have been an issue.
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by DartmouthCubsFan on May 4, 2010 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions
He played much better with the Bucks and Skiles
No assurances that would have happened with the Bulls. Was worth the loss in draft position if you ask me.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 4, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Or if they got
rid of Hinrich they wouldn’t have to worry about Salmons fucking up 2010.
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 4, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
We really passed a great chance last year!
We could have drafted Gonzaga’s guard: Jeremy Pargo.
That’s right! Jannero Pargo’s younger brother!
I like Whiteside out of Marshall if we end up trading Taj
then resign Miller (next year’s Lindsey Hunter) who can show him how to pass…..(he only had 9 assists all season)
I'd actually prefer alabi.
But they’re both project types. I wouldn’t mind either of them at 17 if Henry / Anderson are both off te board.
Brad Miller is god.
i like Hayward but don't think the bulls need another forward.
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anyone see who Ford had the Bulls taking in his mock that just went up?
sorry, i’m not an Insider, but i’m more than happy to freeload off of those that are.
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