Dwayne Wade calls out Bulls as 'not loyal', is wrong.
by wilsoneads on May 27, 2010 9:55 AM CDT
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[Note by your friendly BullsBlogger: Commandeered from the FanPosts (original FanPost after the jump), here are my thoughts:
Wade is obviously incorrect about this. ChicagoNow does a nice breakdown of the many ways the Bulls are loyal to their ex-players, including Pippen. If anything, and this has been a frequent complaint of mine over the years, the Bulls are too loyal, seemingly valuing it over performance.
This is also a reason why I've never been a fan of genuflecting to Michael Jordan in his post-playing career. His legacy in terms of this current team (you know, the one we root for, not the '98 team) is his efforts to ruin the perception of it, and apparently guys like Wade still believe his version of the dynasty breakup. Not that the Org. hasn't created poor perception on their own, but I never appreciated the outside help from someone not part of the team.
And, I guess Wade isn't coming here, huh? -ed.]
Gotta love this, Wade slyly tries to dissuade LeBron from joining the Bulls. In short, Wade's saying the Bulls aren't loyal, so Free Agents should stay away from Chicago.
This is the day I officially stopped liking Dwayne Wade. What a little weasel that he would resort to this tactic to get LeBron to come join him instead of going to Chicago. What a joke.
His main argument is that Bulls players don't stay in the organization after they leave - citing Pippen and Jordan. I can't believe how mad this is making me but seriously?? Are you that big of a moron for thinking we won't see through this? That you're trying to keep LeBron away from Chi-Town??
The reason Jordan and Pippen aren't in the organization anymore is complicated and a lot of it has to do with Jerry Krause. Pippen got pissed cause we wouldn't reward him Jordan money on the downside of his career so he bolted. That left a bad taste in his mouth but it was absolutely the right decision for the Bulls to make. So of course there's always going to be bitterness there.
As for players not staying in the organization?? Do John Paxson and Pete Myers not count because they're not superstars?? I mean what a moronic statement. Wade's done in my book. I'm glad he's not coming here.
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I don't hate Wade for this (although this crosses off the Bulls FA list, since this all but means he's staying in Miami for sure)
Right now, his priority is to get FAs to come to Miami, and part of it is badmouthing other potential destinations. Granted, doing it so publicly is kind of a slap in the face, but it’s not like that’s anymore disrespectful than what Noah said about Cleveland. And for the record, I don’t really have a problem with either.
But Wade’s actually wrong here. So what if Scottie’s not part of the organization? MJ’s not around because he kind of owns the freaking Bobcats. And as Wilsoneads pointed out, we have given former Bulls coaching/front office jobs a number of guys (see Paxson, Myers, Cartwright. Lindsey Hunter, probably a couple more). And if you wanna count TV/radio gigs, you got King, Wennington, Van Lier, and Kendall Gill too.
Brad Miller is god.
Randy Brown with player development.
You can’t really count BJ, but he is around all the time working with Rose and certainly seems fine with the org in general.
Sure, because what LeBron really wants it is to be a 2nd tier exec
After all that’s why he’s working hard to be a billionaire, so he can work for somebody
by JustAnotherFan on May 27, 2010 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Noah said Cleveland has factories
He didn’t say anything about the Cavaliers.
Had Wade said Chicago sucks because it’s cold, it would be a different story.
REALLY??
Obviously Wade is blind…the Bulls have been loyal to Pete Myers, Randy Brown, and Stacey King for years. Heck, they even let Kendall Gill sit up there and run his mouth after every game and he only played with them for ONE year…if THAT isn’t loyalty I don’t know what is!!
Damn Wade to hell!!
::pumps fist::
i actually see this as an encouraging thing. i doubt wade would even bother attacking the bulls
unless he viewed them as a serious threat.
"carrying a lot of weight that can be converted into more strength."
Hmm. can i get a t-shirt large enough to have that written across the chest?
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by TheMoon on May 27, 2010 2:11 AM CDT reply actions 7 recs
agreed
it’s kinda like his own little campaign smear tactic. Remove the weather factor and Miami sucks. I’m tired of hearing about the whole no taxes thing, because that doesn’t even realistically count for much.
At the end of the day, I doubt what Wade says is gonna have THAT much pull on what Lebron or any other FA does.
Yeah ok, Miami is soooo loyal Riley threw SVG out on his ass and won the championship for himself…that’s definitely loyalty.
by NormVanBeer on May 27, 2010 2:17 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
That was one of my first thoughts...
Ask Stan how loyal they are…
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1 million dollars is a good chunk of change.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
meh, it's all relative
For you or me, it’s life changing (although I don’t know your situation), but to one of these guys I don’t think it would be a game changer
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 27, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
no it isn't
these guys are about $$$ plain and simple. Most of them have out of wedlock kids to support, posse’s to pay for etc. They will go where ever they can clear the most cash to “feed their family” as Latrell Sprewell might say.
Shoot, Eddie Curry is on his way to going broke….
http://www.favstocks.com/eddy-curry-of-the-new-york-knicks-on-his-way-to-brokeville-2/2615193/
Well that's a cynical way to look at it.
They aren’t all morons. And if that really was the case, then LeBron is going to NY and the discussion is over.
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by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Lebron has publicly stated he wants to be a billionair
http://www.money-moguls.com/athletes/lebron-jamesbillionaire-athlete/
Miami has great weather, great taxes, Riley and D Wade… I’m not saying that I think Miami will get Lebron, but $1 million a year over 6 years gets you to a Billion a lot faster! And that is an argument you bet they’ll be making.
If you believe what he says about wanting to win an NBA title takes the lead then he’s coming to Chicago…. Here are some interesting Le Bron quotes:
http://www.fromthebaseline.com/blogs/1808-the-lebron-2010-quote-collection
Magic agree’s with you about NYC.
No.. it really doesn't
When you compare it to the revenue of living in NYC, the taxes are not nearly as much of an issue. For a guy like Bosh or Wade.. sure. LeBron, no.
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by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
it's likely greater than 10% of their income.
That seems like a lot, relatively speaking.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Are we even sure that it's one million? I could have sworn the figure was fairly lower than that...
And for the record I would be more than willing to forfeit 10% of my annual income if it meant I was in a place that I felt was a better situation for me. And I don’t have nearly the same long term financial security that a superstar athlete has.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 27, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
state tax in illinois is 3%
that’s $300,000 a year on a $10,000,000 salary. Once they pay the taxes for the other states it’s even less – somewhere around $125,000. Really not that big of a deal
Thanks, I thought it was lower than a mil
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 27, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
People tend to forget that they pay taxes in every state in which they work, meaning even if they live in Texas or Florida, they’re paying some state taxes for all of the away games (or around half of their salary). Beyond that, Illinois has one of the lowest state tax rates in the country (less than CA’s 10.25%, or NY’s ~8%, or NJ’s ~9%, etc.). It’s really not that big of a deal at all.
Yeah.. state taxes are in IL's favor
Outside of FL and TX for the most part. You wouldn’t know considering how often people bitch about our high taxes but compared to most states they’re pretty low.
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by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I was just talking about state income tax.
It’s possible property taxes are a bitch around here (I wouldn’t know; I’m a renter). And Chicago’s sales tax is definitely ridiculous and one of the higher ones in the nation. But yeah, the whole income tax thing is cool.
Thanks to our
greedy as politicians, the fucking plate and window stickers are both $100, what kind of shit is that, I’m calling for a revolution.
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 27, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd think LeBron would live in the North Shore
But none the less, a sales tax is just a nuisance compared to an income tax. Any large purchases he would make, if he’s smart, he would make outside the city.
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by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tax rates favor Florida over Illinois
It will take you 95 days in a year to pay off your Florida tax burden. It’s 101 days in Illinois.
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by NBA Observer on May 27, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I said outside of FL.
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by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
No state income tax...
…but heavy home insurance premiums b/c of constant hurricane threats. If Bosh bolts for Miami it’ll be interesting to see who else they can put around those two.
as Hawk would say
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 27, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd be worred about the taxes if I was going to Florida
They are struggling for money now that tourism is down. There’s no guarantees there that it’ll work out for the life of the contract.
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by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
meh
Then rent. Let the homeowner pay all the variable costs.
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by NBA Observer on May 27, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
and not that the weather is a big deal...
its two-fold. its unbearably hot and humid in the summer, but thats the offseason so i’m sure a lot of these guys go home. so yeah, the advantage would be that you can walk around in shorts in DEC, JAN, FEB, for th most part.
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by BULLieving in Miami on May 27, 2010 12:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Great point
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 27, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Pretty ridiculous statement by Wade
If you’re gonna talk shit about the org. you should probably play the “They’re cheap” card. At least that would be somewhat accurate. If there’s one thing you can say about Jerry and the Bulls, it’s that they’re loyal, probably to a fault. If you’re a good guy and play hard in practice there’s a good chance Jerry will find a job for you. I mean we’re talking about the team that can’t find it in their hearts to trade Kirk Hinrich. Oh well, Wade’s a douche, always kinda felt that way, now it’s just been cemented.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 27, 2010 2:17 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
not to mention
JR just recently hired the Penguin for a SECOND time.
I literally though Pax was gonna cry when they had to trade Noc.
The Bulls ARE loyal…just to the wrong people.
by NormVanBeer on May 27, 2010 2:21 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yup, the only person you can really say anything about is MJ
but that is more of his doing. MJ kinda just chose to go his own way. And even still, he comes back for ceremonies and shit, like with Red.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 27, 2010 2:23 AM CDT up reply actions
If you remember MJ's hall of fame speech
He gave praise to Reinsdorf. Took some cheap shots at Crumbs but had nothing but praise for Jerry and continues to praise the org.
Remember when Mariotti broke that news about MJ thinking LeBron would come to Chicago?
Or even that report about Oakley thinking LeBron goes to Chicago?
You would think loyalty is in some of those conversations they probably have or had with LeBron.
ALSO...
1.They gave Jay Williams a bunch of money after he wrecked his motorcycle when they could have voided his contract.
2. They gave Scottie a ridiculous S&T deal to make him a shit-ton of money when he wanted to leave.
Jerry is super loyal… often to a fault.
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by kidronmusic on May 27, 2010 3:43 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
They gave
him a nice retirement package when he back for a 2nd stint.
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 27, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Can someone tell me how the Heat have taken care of any these players?
Tim Hardaway
Glen Rice
Steve Smith
Brian Grant
Grant Long
Rony Seikaly
P.J. Brown
So let me get this straight, just because they promote Alonzo to Vice President of Player Programs and Development, they take care of their own?
Take a look at their top 25 players of all time.
They have taken care of no one on that list besides Mourning.
The only argument you can make is them retiring Tim Hardaway’s jersey but they even retired MJ’s jersey.
As Poloplaya14 mentions above, the Bulls list of players that are still in this organization is long.
I don’t wanna believe Wade is this stupid.
by Option27 on May 27, 2010 4:15 AM CDT reply actions 7 recs
Keith Askins
is on the coaching staff, but thats only other person I can think off.
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 27, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
i think John Crotty does radio.
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by BULLieving in Miami on May 27, 2010 12:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
My point was about them taking care of their "best players"
by Option27 on May 27, 2010 12:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I found something I
think, Rony Seikaly is the official DJ of the Heat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGr1eEG_ysg&feature=player_embedded
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 27, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Rec'd
I think that’s the central point. It’s hard to argue if the Bulls take care of their stars (they’re certainly loyal to many players) but the Heat certainly don’t. Looking at their staff page, it’s just Mourning.
Antoine Walker
could sure use a hand these days.
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by tony412 on May 28, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
D.Wade ask Riley
to get him a job, if Antoine was a Bull, he’ll have job as we speak, they would come up w/ a title for him, Player personel development of celebratory dances.
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 28, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
And
Earlier this month, Siohvaughn Wade filed a lawsuit alleging her husband’s relationship with actress Gabrielle Union has caused distress for her and their two sons. Meanwhile, she has filed another lawsuit against him alleging “a pattern of violence, abuse, threats and intimidation” and was forced to post $10,000 bond after being taken into custody for failing to appear at a divorce hearing.
This is the last guy who should say things like . . .
So that is probably one of the biggest things for me, because I am a very loyal person.
by Option27 on May 27, 2010 4:23 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
That's a great point
It’s funny how some people choose to define terms like “loyalty” on a “per situation” basis.
To be fair...
from everything I’ve read, Wade’s ex IS just that crazy.
by CubFan81 on May 27, 2010 6:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is ridiculous.
1 – Interesting that throughout the course of the year, when D Wade was asked questions on a regular basis about the possiblity of joining the Bulls, he had nothing but positive things to say. What this feels like to me is him recognizing that Lebron may see Chicago as a real option and changing his tune to save face (realizing that he may be left out).
2 – What role does he have in mind for MJ? Clearly MJ had something larger in mind than some form of team ambassador or minor orgazational job. HELLO? HE OWNS A TEAM NOW – not a spot that was available with the Bulls.
3 – No former Bulls involved in the organization????
How about…
Bill Cartwright – former Head Coach
John Paxon – former coach, play by play, GM
Stacey King – broadcaster
Randy Brown – assistant
Pete Myers – assistant coach
Bill Wennington – radio broadcaster
BJ Armstrong – former assistant GM
Norm Van Lier, Bob Love, Red Kerr, Kendall Gill
There are a countless amount of former players involved with the franchise.
This is like the second most popular girl being replaced at the dance by the most popular girl and saying that she never wanted to go to the dance to begin with.
I also think it’s a tad presumptive of Fred Mitchell to suggest that a risk exists that Wade’s thoughts could impact Lebron (perception can turn into harsh reality).
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by Da Bears2333333 on May 27, 2010 5:40 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
What are the chances Taj Gibson retires and becomes head coach next year?
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by chapuforyou on May 27, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Bring in John Kundla as assistant.
He could learn a thing or two from Taj Gibson
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What I don't get is...
aside from all the instances noted above by everyone else…what does this have to do with anything? It seems his contention is that guys like MJ and Pip should still be in the Bulls organization to which I would counter guys like MJ and Pip are big enough on their own to do whatever the hell they want.
MJ owns his own team, not a minority share like Jay-Z (who everyone makes out like he owns a huge chunk of the Nets…his stake is about 1%).
Why wasn’t McHale with the Celtics? I distinctly remember him being a member of the TWolves organization.
Why isn’t Magic working for the Lakers? Why was Bird GM/Coach of the Pacers? Why is Charles stuck doing TNT broadcasts? Why is Patrick Ewing coaching in Orlando?
I’m also find it funny that he has such strong opinions about the workings of an organization that he’s never played for or been a part of. Not to mention he’s talking about being taken care of AFTER guys are done playing. As if the guys that make Max money need any more financial stability. Its the guys like Pax and Myers who made relatively little who really benefit from a teams loyalty.
by CubFan81 on May 27, 2010 6:21 AM CDT reply actions 10 recs
I couldnt have said this better.
Wade is an arrogant sob. He needs to get a grip.
by Playboy_BullV on May 27, 2010 6:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Magic is working for the Lakers, but point taken
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 27, 2010 6:44 AM CDT up reply actions
He might
have a minor stake in the team
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 27, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Magic owns a portion of the Lakers
It’s one of the reasons he shouldn’t be on TNT or ESPN talking about the Lakers.
Ethics Schmethics.
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by NBA Observer on May 27, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Eh, even if he wasn't part owner I'd take Magic's opinions on the Lakers as seriously as I take Bill Simmons's
opinions on the Celtics, or, well anything else for that matter
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The problem now that you have a perception out there
Mike and Mike were just talking about Wade’s comments and giving credence to it because Jordan isn’t here. Greenberg, being from Chicago should know better for all the listed reasons giving on this post that Reinsdorf is almost too loyal. Thing is, I don’t want to hear about Miami being loyal when their President can fire coaches whenever he feels like coaching again. Miami loyal? Get the hell out of here.
I heard Chris Webber dogging us on the Dan Patrick show the other day too
The only guy I’m really worried about it affecting is Lebron. Wade can go fuck himself, go play for the 6.000 “loyal” fans a game that support the Heat, even after a recent title run and having a top 5 player in the league. I don’t think this kind of stuff will have any effect on other guys, but with Lebron, every little negative could hurt. I am officially rooting for Riley and Wade to fail miserably.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 27, 2010 6:50 AM CDT up reply actions
i was almost ashamed as a Miami fan, not a Heat fan
the fact that people in this town didn’t sellout that arena in a playoff game, which was an elimination game, which was kinda possibly Wade’s last game in a Heat uniform. i almost hate being associated with that Miami fan stigma.
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by BULLieving in Miami on May 27, 2010 12:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
haha
No offense to your city man, Miami’s the shit. Just think the sports scene is kinda shitty and way too fareweather-y at times.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 27, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Greenberg should know better.
I imagine by tomorrow there will pieces put back out there about how stupid it is to think Jerry Reinsdorf isn’t loyal. He probably didn’t even take the time to think about it and just started talking, it’s unscripted radio.
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by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Greenberg
Needs a link to this page, so maybe tomorrow he will be singing a new song, and it will show Wade’s true colors. I hope he was just taken off guard and didn’t think it through. I will take the Stan Van Gundy stance vs Wilbon against Greenie. What has he ever done? P90X doesn’t count; you are not an athlete. Like your wife, “I think your an idiot.”
Wade has no class
disparaging us looks weak and pathetic. everyone will see right through it and know that he is clearly jealous of the attention the bulls are getting.
by patagonia on May 27, 2010 7:39 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Dear Mr. Wade
Just for the record, when you say: “I understand that you have to have a great team, a great supporting cast around you. That’s all I want (…) My ego is not that big. … I just want to win.”
You should know that this is the very definition of egocentrism.
So I guess you don’t wanna LBJ on your team but you don’t want him to play for a good team so you can have a shot at a title, right?
Well.. I'm glad I can finally defend my hatred of DWade
I’ve never had a logical explanation for why I can’t stand him, that’s over. Anyone who thinks Jerry Reinsdorf is not loyal is completely ignorant. I should have put the kettle calling the pot black image in this thread. Fuck the adulterous Dwayne Wade’s opinion on loyalty, I’m surprised he could find the time between practicing his flops and pretending to be hurt to give an interview.
Sounds to me like he’s concerned no one wants to play with him in Miami and he’s getting desperate, pulling a page out of the Avery Johnson playbook.
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by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 8:19 AM CDT reply actions
Stop Hating Wade
I understand why wade is doing this and not mad at him but he should be saying this about the heat and not the bulls…………the bulls have done more for their players than the heat and is a better ran organization…………..see bulls 6 championships to the heat 1…….the bulls make better moves than the heat and lets face it, it’s a business and if wade skills start to decline, the heat will treat him just like every other team and either trade him or don’t resign him when his contract is up, but not this year
I feel an Isiah Thomas coming on....
D Wade will forever regret the day he made those comments. D Wade just pulled an Isiah Thomas, but I believe that we could have made a better attempt to bring in our past stars. However, most teams don’t bring back their stars. Magic and Kareem are exceptions. Bird, Erving, Hakeem, Thomas, Stockton, McHale, Barkley, Ewing, …. Its much easier to deal with John Paxson, Joe Dumars, and Danny Ainge than Jordan, Pippen, and Bird. The biggest difference is egos. If you read Jordan Rules, you will see what Michael thought of Pippen and talent. Michael thought that if you played at UNC then you were good, but if he didn’t like you, he didn’t like you. Mike was a bully and an ego maniac. Let him run his own team. He doesn’t need to run the Bulls. Pippen still thought he could play three years ago. He hasn’t exactly made himself available to the Bulls, because his ego is way to big. He thinks he should be hired as GM or coach without staying in basketball. Wade can take Riley and his loyalty and see how many coaches they go through and how many championships they will win over the next 5 years. By then, Wade will wish he would have gone somewhere else because the Heat will continue to toil in mediocrity, while the Bulls take the next step and bring the championship home.
I don't know if it needs it's own thread or something
but I’m surprised nobody is talking about how he says all the free agents are gonna be talking about what they wanna do this summer. That sounds like a series of conversations that could work against the Bulls. None of our guys seem to be especially friendly with any of them to the point where they could do some recruiting for us.
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I don't know about that
people have said it could happen, and were wondering how for real it was, but this is the first time an actual player (big name player) has actually come out and said it WILL happen.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 27, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I think LeBron is smarter than to listen to what Wade and JJ are doing with their careers.
LeBron is 25 it’s about time for him to do his thing now. Win titles. JJ and Wade are getting up there in age. It just doesn’t make sense to me why he would want to tag along with them now. I could be wrong but doesn’t it seem more appealing to play for the Bulls than to join a older star with little talent to surround them with?
Plus Wade already has his ring
What is this, the Get Along Gang? Lebron needs to worry about himself and winning rings not what Wade and JJ might want him to do. He needs to be trying to out class and destroy his contemporaries like Wade and JJ, not join them.
maybe these players aren't that smart at all
and every story glorifying the former street hustler who know apparently has all their ears aids that perception.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 27, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
*now apparently...
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 27, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Specially 'cause it seems Wade is risking trading his winning chances for Florida fun
as he declines to join the Bulls himself
by JustAnotherFan on May 27, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
though I disagree
the Heat is a better supporting cast for LeBron, since Wade by himself is better than the entire Bulls team. There’s no guarantee Rose gets near Wade’s level.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 27, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
There's no Guarantee of that
but he’s not that far off and even if he just sniffs that level, Rose is 21. Lebron would have 7 more years of Rose probably.
I'd be less concerned about the talent gap
And more worried about Wade’s durability going forward. I don’t know if anyone keeps track of Falls to the Court and grimaces from horrific pain, but D Wade has to be at the top of the list right behind soccer players.
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by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
He is pretty far off in terms of overall ability.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Not really
I’ve been torn apart for my opinions about the comparisons between Rose and Wade. But I really don’t think it’s as far apart as some say
I'm sorry, but any objective comparison clearly shows you're wrong.
Wade is a better shooter, a more efficient scorer, a better rebounder, better passer, a much, much better defender and a better creator for others. And he uses more of his team’s positions.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
rose is a better shooter. wade is a much better player.
"carrying a lot of weight that can be converted into more strength."
Hmm. can i get a t-shirt large enough to have that written across the chest?
-- feral
I don't know how Rose is a better shooter.
He’s a little better at 16-23 ft. The FT% is equal and Wade is at better 3PT%.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
and rose is even worse?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Either way
talking about their 3pt shooting is like trying to decide if you want to go out w/ Whoopi Goldberg or Grace Jones, not good options
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 27, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
They got cash; very good options
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- fundamentallysound
True, from the money
aspect, who are you taking?
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 27, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Whoopi
hopefully she divorces me quick
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- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on May 27, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I always had a
thing for Grace Jones, don’t ask me why.
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 27, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
i think youre missing his point entirely.
"carrying a lot of weight that can be converted into more strength."
Hmm. can i get a t-shirt large enough to have that written across the chest?
-- feral
according to 82games roses eFG% on jump shots is .467, and it was more like .48 if
you take out the beginning of the season when he was hurt. wades eFG% on jumpers is .393.
"carrying a lot of weight that can be converted into more strength."
Hmm. can i get a t-shirt large enough to have that written across the chest?
-- feral
We should definitely take out parts of the season for Rose but not Wade.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
haha. does it even matter? roses shooting numbers kill
wades anyways.
"carrying a lot of weight that can be converted into more strength."
Hmm. can i get a t-shirt large enough to have that written across the chest?
-- feral
Seriously.
Wade is better at everything else, but to say Rose is a worse shooter than Wade is both objectively and subjectively ridiculous.
Thrusting out of the playoff race, one injury at a time.
What are you wagering and where can I collect?
There’s a chance Rose has a better career than Wade. To assume, though, that he’ll reach the levels Wade has is to be blind to how good Wade’s been and how few players in NBA history have been that good.
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
Really?
Kobe had a PER of 21.9 while Wade was at 28.0 this season. Kobe’s best season in PER was 28.0 in 05-06. Wade‘s had 2 other seasons above that mark with another just below it that’s still higher than Kobe’s second best. Kobe’s a great player, but Wade’s reached higher levels of performance.
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
How so?
Wade is a better 3-pt shooter.
They are equal in FT%.
They’re pretty even at < 10 ft but not at the rim.
Rose is slightly better at 16-23 ft.
Rose was better this year at 10-15 ft but otherwise they’re equal.
What else would you use to evaluate a shooter?
I just don’t see how he’s a definitively a better shooter. I think he will probably prove it next year. And I definitely don’t say how Rose’s numbers “kill” Wade’s.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Rose is better than Wade was at age 22 (at age 21, he was still at Marquette)
And considering how similar their playing styles are, its not that big of a stretch to think that Rose will be as good as Wade in 2-3 years.
Brad Miller is god.
Moreso that Wade won't be as good in 2-3 years
Is more of an issue than Rose improving.
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by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Well I meant that he could be as good as Wade is now in 2-3 years
Not likely, sure, but I’d say Rose has as good a chance anybody else in the league at becoming the next 25+ PER guard.
Brad Miller is god.
Neither have I said anything contradicting that.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
The point in discussion is that he IS as good as Wade right now.
Not that he will be. If it were the latter, I’d be in agreement that he has a chance to be. Stay on topic.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
What?!?!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
::sigh::
I haven’t once said anything against that.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think you can argue that Rose is alredy NEAR Wade's level
Higher shooting%, better asst/TO ratio last year. The main differences are that Wade lives at the line while Derrick can’t get a call to save his life, and Wade is an elite defender. Obviously you can’t guarantee Rose will make up the gap completely, but it’s easy to put him in the conversation, even at age 21.
No, it's not. Objectively speaking.
Rose < average defender, Wade “elite defender”. That alone is a huge gap to overcome. Even if Rose were better on offense, he’d still be far off… and he’s not as good on offense. I’d “accept” that he’s close on offense, but that complete discounts half the game. But even on offense, he’s worse. Rose has a higher shooting percentage because he takes fewer 3’s. By taking more 3’s, and making them better than Rose, Wade decreases his overall FG%, but increases his scoring efficiency.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
He increases his scoring efficiency by being a bad 3-point shooter?
He’s a better offensive player because he gets to the foul line almost 10 times a game, Wade has never been a good outside shooter.
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by Ozzie Montana on May 27, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Being as he only makes 36% of 15-23 ft jump shots, I'd say yes, taking 3's increases his efficiency.
And those within 10-15 ft are only made a 34% clip. You’d have to assume that he would change 15% of his 3’s into shots within 10 ft for it to be more efficient for him not. Or something like that. Otherwise, yeah, settling foir the 10-23 ft jumpers would actually hurt his efficiency.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I meant it more as a threat
in the sense that it kind of validates all of the “reports” out of places like New York and Miami that have said all along that “Lebron is going there and he’s gonna bring (insert FA name here) with him.”
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 27, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Lebron talks to his TEAM, Wade isn't part of that team
They might talk but no decisions will be made
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Except that LeBron already called Rose
The Bulls core, and at the very least, Rose will have many conversations. They may not be dirty-mudslinging sessions like what Wade just pulled, but the Bulls will be in the convo. All he has to say is look at what we have, and that I’m treated well: now come join me. The Heat are playing the role of political challenger down 20 points early in the race; scratching and clawing their way until they’re heard.
Wade has Riley whispering sweet-nothings in his ear. Miami is his town now, and Dwyane can see the possibility of starting next season with similar parts as last year.
by kthrapp on May 27, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
How do you NOT hate Wade after this?!
As far i’m concerned its official: DWade is the new Isiah Thomas! This whole situation is almost shakespearean! Not much more i can say other than: FUCK DWADE AND FUCK MIAMI!!!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
Because I don't "hate" entertainers.
The heel never worked for me in WWF.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
But heels in the WWF are fake,
forced to act that way because of scripted story lines. In this case Wade is saying these things because he is willing to resort to lies. This is actually D-Wade, and he comes off looking pathetic.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Well, I guess I don't see it as an outright lie, just ignorance.
And I couldn’t really care.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Doesn't matter if it's a lie or it's ignorance, it's the intent that has people pissed off
(which could be presumptuous, but who cares, fuck him)
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 27, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
ultimately
it’s going to come down to winning, and how long you want to do it for, and whether it’s the most important thing.
if x free agent wants to win now, he goes to miami and teams up with dwayne wade, and then use the remaining 9 mill in cap space they have to sign a 3rd, lesser guy or split it to build the rest of the team.
if x free agent wants to probably win now, and stay good for the next ~ 10 years, he comes here.
the rest of this stuff, including these comments, are just posturing. i wouldn’t get too upset about them. wade isn’t coming here, and he’s just doing his recruiting job (in trying to one up other franchises).
however, you would think that if one wants to criticize this org, the first thing that he could have brought up was money, which is a very legitimate point. if anything, the bulls have been too loyal, as has already been said.
"4 inches, baby!" --ripped off from Kush
For me personally
I’m not upset because I believe what he says is gonna really hurt our chances in free agency, I’m more pissed that a local guy has to stoop to slimeball tactics to make us look bad. On top of that, he’s totally talking out of his ass.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 27, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
"I’m more pissed that a local guy has to stoop to slimeball tactics"
exactly, enough about Michael Jordan already!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 27, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
What I really want is for someone to argue his damn point on any news outlet
Instead of just reporting it. There has to be someone out there who doesn’t have their head up their ass.
The longer this is being spoken of, the more some might believe it.
Can’t any guys . . . KC, Sam, Mannix, Broussard or even Marrioti stand up please!?
by Option27 on May 27, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mariotti?!
He did believe that ‘dorf should’ve just given the franchise over to M. Jeff.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 27, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Which is why I wrote
“Or even Mariotti”
I’m just looking for anyone who has any history writing about the Bulls to shoot this story down.
Even if Mariotti has to shoot his ego down first
by Option27 on May 27, 2010 11:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Mariotti has talked Bulls more in the last 3 weeks
than he has in the last 2 years. seriously, the guy has made it abundantly clear he doesn’t want LeBron (or any) FA here, and it’s primarily because of how much hate he has for JR. If anything, look for a Mariotti piece where he piggybacks off of Wade’s comments.
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by anorexorcist on May 27, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I won't look for any Mariotti piece
that’s the beauty of his exile from the city, I’d have to actually search for him to find him.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 27, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
You can find his rants at fanhouse.com
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- fundamentallysound
that's my point, I don't want to find him
when he was with the sun-times, they’d fine me. Now it’s like he doesn’t exist.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 27, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm going to post his articles as fanshots everyday
that way your forced to live with him :P
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- fundamentallysound
I don’t believe its really going to be that strong of an influence.
If these free agents want to win a championship they’ll do their own research.
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by Camry on May 27, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
My problem with that is that I'm not even sure he wants LBJ there
or if he just wants him out of Chicago. He didn’t even mad a pitch for miami
by JustAnotherFan on May 27, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
The “Wade sees the Bulls as a threat to take Lebron away from Miami” argument makes sense. If Lebron goes to Chicago and Wade resigns for the max he is never winning another ring.
And a lot of what Wade says really sounds weak to me, basically he says the person who coaches you is less important than how good or bad a franchise treats you at some point after you retire. Hasn’t he heard Lebron saying he wants nothing more than to win? I think your coach is more relevant to you winning than if the franchise gives you a job after you retire. I don’t think one of Lebron’s goals is to be VP of the Bulls or something because he’ll probably buy a franchise someday.
It seems like Wade came up with a desperate and illogical argument to try and get Lebron to go to Miami. Because Miami has no legitimate argument compared to Chicago, Chicago has a great young core, Miami has nothing but Wade. The only talent on that roster other than Wade is Beasley, and Beasley is a head case….remember when there was a debate about who should be drafted 1st out of Rose and Beasley? One is one of the best PG’s in the league the other can’t even average 15 ppg on a team with so few scoring options.
by CavsLebronFan on May 27, 2010 9:54 AM CDT reply actions 7 recs
I don't think Wade is that attached to the Heat
Riley is highly effective and moving players and contracts. He’ll do anything to please Wade. He’s going to get something good this summer. The problem is whomever Riley gets won’t play the defense Wade needs to be played to keep Wade from going all offense in games. Unless Riley gets Bosh.
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by NBA Observer on May 27, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
He seems pretty attached to the Heat/Miami.
If he wasn’t, why wouldn’t he go right to New York? Even if it’s just him signing with NY, that’d be a better team than he has currently in Miami. Say he and Joe Johnson could go play in Miami or in NY.
Which cast looks better, Wade/Johnson/Gallinari/Chandler/Douglas or Wade/Johnson/Beasley/Chalmers/Cook? I’d have to say the former.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
The Knicks are always the better destination
They’re going right back into luxury tax land this summer. Dolan will pay it. Wade would get whatever he wants around him.
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by NBA Observer on May 27, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed. The Heat is pretty much the only team in the NBA that has a thinner roster than the Knicks.
I get the feeling Wade likes Miami, the beaches/weather/partying etc. And he likes being the number 1 guy. If Lebron goes to Miami it’s still Wade’s team, if they both go to New York it’s Lebrons team.
That’s why i think out of all the big free agents Wade is the least likely to leave, winning isn’t as much a priority for him because he has a ring, and he likes the lifestyle in Miami and he likes being the alpha dog.
by CavsLebronFan on May 27, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Bumped to the front page.
If anything, and this has been a frequent complaint of mine over the years, the Bulls are too loyal, seemingly valuing it over performance.
This is also a reason why I’ve never been a fan of genuflecting to Michael Jordan in his post-playing career. His legacy in terms of this current team (you know, the one we root for, not the ‘98 team) is his efforts to ruin the perception of it, and apparently guys like Wade still believe his version of the dynasty breakup. Not that the Org. hasn’t created poor perception on their own, but I never appreciated the outside help from someone not part of the team.
And, I guess Wade isn’t coming here, huh?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 27, 2010 9:58 AM CDT reply actions
Somebody save that article
So we can post it again in 5 or 6 as a decadent Dwayne Wade is trade by Miami to Minnesota
by JustAnotherFan on May 27, 2010 10:01 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
And to think that Dwayne Wade has us
defending the organization today. PRICELESS. We should hate him for that fact alone.
by Dils on May 27, 2010 10:03 AM CDT reply actions 15 recs
ha!
so true. It’s like only you can make fun of your brother, or something.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 27, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
I woke up to Mike and Mike talking about this and I was Irate
TheJay Williams issue and the way Reinsdorf handled it alone was enough to have their back today when it comes to loyalty. That incident set this organization back more then any other move and we don’t really cut them enough slack for it.
Ha.. I think if he said JR was cheap
Or Paxson and Gar didn’t know what they were doing, people wouldn’t be complaining.
It’s fine to insult someone when you know what the hell you are talking about. Ignorance pisses people off.
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by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Screw this!
They are so f…ing loyal that even Sam Smith got a job when Tribune shipped him!!!
by JustAnotherFan on May 27, 2010 10:07 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I don't think Wade is talking about offering jobs to former players.
For example, watch a Cubs game and every 5 seconds someone is talking about how Ernie Banks was the greatest player ever and Ron Santo was the second greatest player ever. They bring back old timers to sing take me out to the ballgame and parade them around like old war heroes. But I can’t really remember the Bulls doing anything like this besides for number retiring ceremonies. Like, was there ever a reunion for the 10th anniversary of any of the championship teams? I don’t remember, but it seems like MJ just isn’t as omnipresent as some of these Cubs guys, despite his statue. This isn’t really about loyalty, more like constant recognition and hero worship.
by Uncle Stanley McGoober on May 27, 2010 10:07 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
also, I don't think Wade cares about Myers and Wennington
he is only talking about the breakup of the 98 Bulls, MJ, and Phil Jackson.
by Uncle Stanley McGoober on May 27, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
That was all Krause
If he wanted to bad-mouth the Bulls’ personnel decisions in 1998 he could’ve done it at any time in the last 10 years. Why now? Oh yeah, because it’s the biggest free agency period in the history of free agency…
They built him a statue.
That seems pretty ceremonial to me. They gave all the guys he played with a job. Unless you wanted JR to sell him the team, there wasn’t much we could do more for Jordan.
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by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
I think that is what some people wanted
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 27, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Those people should be forced to wear a Kwame Brown jersey
on a daily basis until they admit it was a horrible idea. A year goes by, and they still think MJ should own the team, they have to put on the Morrison jersey.
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by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd say that's fair.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess Wade is happy 'cause they made him that website
(and maybe he’s angry we made one for LeBron and not for him)
by JustAnotherFan on May 27, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Hero worship?
This is the same team who through MJ like a 2 hour retirement special on TV with the statue.
The same team who raised a banner that simply says “Coach” for Phil Jackson.
The same team who had a hall of fame type ceremony for Johnny Redd Kerr just before he died.
If your main gripe is 10 year reunions, I think that’s cause that team was bigger than the NBA in some ways. Too many egos to get something done like that. Its like not being able to use Jordan is video games. It’s like trying to get the Beatles back together for one more show
by Option27 on May 27, 2010 12:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I hated it, when
you had to create Mike on NBA Live back in the day
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 27, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
There was that SG named Player and he was nothing like Mike
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on May 27, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Player was
the 1st guy I would trade or cut
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 27, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Apparently he's going to be on the cover of NBA 2K11.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on May 27, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Does that mean you get to finally play as him?
Maybe Mike finally gave in after finding out LeBron has been allowing them to use him all along.
I mean, can they make anyone better than LeBron in that game?
Maybe they just make it that MJ makes every shot within the last 3 minutes and if he misses, he goes to the free throw line automatically?
by Option27 on May 27, 2010 12:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
They would not have the balls to rate Bron higher than Jordan.
I haven’t played the 2k series, but I assume steals, clutch, defensive awareness, etc. put him over the top.
I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite
by Super-Structure on May 27, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
lets just say when i play the cavs on 2k
I can get LBJ normal ppg by taking long three pointers all game and I’ve shot worse than 50% like never
Rose is a beast in NBA2K10
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by BULLieving in Miami on May 27, 2010 10:15 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He's rated at 80.
Rondo is rated at 88. I think even Shaq is rated higher than Rose. And Noah is at 67…
That's shocking, both players had better ratings than that by the end of the season in 2K9
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2k9 has a different rating system than 2k10
2k9 stats were from 50 to 99 while 2k10 has stats ranging from 25 to 99, so you get different ratings there. I always buff up D-Rose to 90-ish and Noah to 83.
"What the fuck man?! GAD DAYUM!" -Ben Gordon, after being fouled by Chris Bosh, with no call.
Come back home, Ben.
Yeah, the numbers were like I said for Rose and Noah
Shaq rated at 81! And Rondo at 88. Devin Harris at 80-something. Just ridiculous ratings around.
Having Mike in Live
would be cheap as hell on live. And Live already has the three point shooting problems
Dude, I'm not the one with the gripe
I’m just trying to say what Wade might be thinking in making this statement.
by Uncle Stanley McGoober on May 27, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't know that Wade is stupid.
He didn’t check any facts about former Bulls players,completly forgot about SVG and so on.This is just a giant sighn of desperation on his part.Seams like Riley may only bring Amare ,and if Lebron comes to Chi and Bosh goes to LA Wade is done with championships,and he knows it very well.
And if Lebron AND Bosh end up in Chicago-itis nothing but Guarantee of 5-6 championships with Rose and Noah.And then it’s: Dwane who,question.
I actually see this asa positive thing,Wade probably already have talked or texted with LeBron…And is getting little panicky.
It is all in Lebron hands.If Lebron is not afraid of “shadow of MJ” he just HAS to come to Chicago and win some titles with the help of Rose,Bosh and Noah.If he is really concern about his legacy he has to win 5-7 titles in the house that Jordan built.Which will become his house anyway even after 2-3 ships.If it’s 6-7 he will be locked as a Greatest Player Ever, at least for this generation.I hope thats all that matters to him not nice weather in Miami,glamour of NY or any other shit.
And Then he can test Reinsdorf loyalty and ask him to sell the legendary Chicago Bulls!
If not then hecan go buy his Cavs.
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
by Azabullsfan on May 27, 2010 10:15 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I know this is off topic but i must ask.
Why did Miami retire MJ’s number? I am one of those guys that think his number 23 should be retired leauge-wide (if they did it for the best in the NHL they can do it for MJ), but still why is it off all orgs Miami?
Pat Riley made the call
He didn’t want any Heat to wear the number.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on May 27, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
because some
bum like Dequan Cook or James Jones would get #23 and disgrace the jersey and the #, btw what happend to Dequan Cook’s game
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 27, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, he respected MJ that much
IMO, with what MJ said at his speech, it just seems these two guys have great respect for each other. the Knicks and even Heat gave the Bulls great challenges back then.
the thigh bone is not connected to the free throw bone.- Shaquille O'Neal
by BULLieving in Miami on May 27, 2010 10:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It should be retired leauge wide
If the NHL can do it (back when more people were watching) the NBA can do it.
on the bright side
it looks like i can go back to unabashedly hating wade and not having to worry about him becoming a bull. GET OUT THE WHEELCHAIR I THINK I HURT MY SHOULDER
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
This only shows fear from Wade
If things end like we want, Wade will be stuck with Beasley and Chalmers next year. LeBron will come to Chicago, Bosh will come to Chicago or go to the Lakers and Amare will stay in Phoenix if they win the title (I have my doubts, but…). The only guys who could go there are David Lee, Boozer or JJ (to play the 3). And none of them attracts me that much…
The LeBronzilla is coming to town!!!
Miami can have Boozer
Between him and Bosh/Amare, I think the choice is obvious…
The LeBronzilla is coming to town!!!
Wade is wrong, but that doesn't matter
Dwyane Wade repped by Henry Thomas.
Henry Thomas reps Chris Bosh.
May be warning shot across the bow to push the Chairman move into luxury tax territory.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
never knew that agent connection
all I know is JJ is repped by Arn Tellem :-/
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 27, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah.. b/c Jerry Reinsdorf is going to be intimidated by D Wade.
This is a ruthless business man we’re talking about here, he’s not a pushover. He doesn’t give a shit what a Dwayne Wade has to say. He’s going to run his business how he wants.
We just have to hope that his calculations say that signing a guy like LeBron makes it worth it to go over the luxury tax (which I believe they do / should). He’s been quoted before saying he would go over the luxury tax for the right player, so we’ll have to hope the numbers haven’t changed in his mind.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
True
But the players know the current salary structure is ending. The owners are going to lock em out again to stop Rashard Lewis type contracts. Agents have a stake in pushing every owner in the league to spend every last dollar this summer signing players to 5 year deals.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on May 27, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Well I'd say that's a non-issue
As we all know Bosh, LeBron and Wade are getting the maximum amount. It’s not like pressuring the Bulls can make them pay Bosh more somehow. They’ll give him the most that’s allowed by the rules.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
It's not necessarily just about the max guys getting the max
They are getting the max. The question is how many of their lieutenants are getting more salary than they would after the lockout.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on May 27, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah.. but are we concerned about those guys?
I mean.. if it gets to them I’m disappointed anyways.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
it'll be a cold day in hell when Harry Flugelman lets an ACTOR tell him what to do."
the thigh bone is not connected to the free throw bone.- Shaquille O'Neal
by BULLieving in Miami on May 27, 2010 10:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This shows Wade's fear...
Wade knows Chicago will be unbeatable with Lebron on the team. You could put Bosh+2nd tier FA on the Heat, and they still wouldnt be able to matchup with the Bulls
Loyalty?
Is Wade going to be preaching loyalty when he tries to get free agents to leave their current teams to come join him?
by DaCoach215 on May 27, 2010 10:45 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
That will only be after Miami shops what is left of the team
by JustAnotherFan on May 27, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
They are trying to
shop Beasley even as we speak
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 27, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I actually love that Wade did this.
Not just because the NBA conference finals have been so boring and the rumors have slowed down but that it makes him look like he’s grasping for straws and that he obviously feels the Bulls are a threat to his recruitment of LBJ6. He just made himself look kinda petty. Which helps me think LeBron to the Bulls is seriously a possibility.
Unless, of course, he successfully persuades...
James/Bosh/etc. to sign with New York or Miami. In which case, this was a really crappy thing to do.
But, it is what it is...
This just makes me look forward to the Bulls-Heat games, even more so if we actually land LeBron.
Hell yeah.
Get ready for THE WADE RULES !! Thanx BAD BOYS!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on May 27, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
This is my dream scenario...
First Heat-Bulls home game of the 2010-2011 season, and Derrick Rose makes a game winning shot while being defended by Wade.
Then screams, “THIS IS MY HOUSE! THIS IS MY [insert expletives] HOUSE!”
That would be awsome! DRose is due for a game winner.
I guess its official now: The Chicago-DWade love affair is over.
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on May 27, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yes, I believe it's over now.
Because we already have our version of DWade. He is 21 and has a 40’’ vertical (it’s mentioned in the memo)
by bryield on May 27, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
On mine we beat them by 40
And Wade will have to hear THIS IS MY [EXPLETIVE] HOUSE from our 2011 Pargo
by JustAnotherFan on May 27, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
what's going to happen instead
is the Bulls winning by like 25
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
The Bulls have a better supporting cast than Miami or NY!
Its a no-brainer! Mr. Reinsdorf, summon your inner Gordon Gecko and GET LEBRON!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on May 27, 2010 11:08 AM CDT reply actions
Dwyane Wade calling out another team for being disloyal while singing the praises of Pat Riley?
Maybe he should ask Stan Van Gundy how “loyal” the Miami Heat organization is.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
Or his wife...
The guy is a hypocrite and wrong. It’s ridiculous.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I lost respect for him.
But what does his personal life have to do with dissing the team? His personal life shouldn’t mean anything at this point.
He said hes a loyal person
"Well you're giving me the opportunity to agree with Bill Plaschke and Marriotti, I'm gonna pass" - Tim Cowlishaw
by Camry on May 27, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
When you say you are a loyal person
And criticize others loyalty, when you yourself are not a loyal person, that’s when it has something to do with it.
His personal life is a reflection of his loyalty. That’s why it matters.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Where is a stone when I need one.
by Mike Mueller on May 27, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Wade is so loyal, why doesn't he sign for less than the max and help the Heat get better players?
Loyalty also means making some sacrifices when it’s needed. I know they have money to spend on two max FA, but if he signed for less, they could attack others above average guys
The LeBronzilla is coming to town!!!
by bull83 on May 27, 2010 11:16 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
that’s because money talks and bullshit walks
by Jermal on May 27, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And, I guess Wade isn't coming here, huh? -ed.]
Thats for sure.Even if Wade will ask to play along side Lebron and
Rose for MLE.
Reinsdorf is not gonna sign him after this comments.Talk about loalty,Wade.
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
Uhm... for the MLE?
Really? D-Wade would make a pretty decent 6th man…
Shit, what about Eddy Curry?
Weren’t the Bulls willing to pay him loads of cash to just retire? It didn’t happen, but that’s an awfully nice thing to do.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
They were willing to pay him well
If he took the heart tests, and they came up bad. He still wouldn’t do it, so they had to trade him. But yes, he was going to be set for life.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
the way he spends
set for 5 years.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 27, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
I really want to know why he owes Juwan Howard $380,000
Has to be some sort of ridiculous bet, right?
Juwan Howard
is on his payroll, OMG!! WTF!!!
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 27, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Well Juwan is from Chicago
maybe he rented a condo or house from him.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Probably something like this
Juwan: Hey Eddy! I bet you $380K that I’ll start more games at C than you this year.
Eddy: Yo 37-year-old 6-9 scrawny ass? You’re on.
6 months later…
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on May 27, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Ha.. to be fair
May have worked out better b/c he would get payments for life.. couldn’t spend it all at once.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
No, but they did honor Jay Williams rookie contract even after he was a douchebag who drove into a tree.
So disloyal!
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on May 27, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Jay Williams needs to come out and say Wade is tool…now that would level the playing field.
Then state how they Traded Tim Hardaway for a bag of peanuts
"The Bulls Are Back" - D. Stern (2010)
Jay Williams does owe the team that much.
He really should stand up for JR after how they took care of him.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
When Pip was old and
over the hill as a player, they paid him like $10mill over 2 seasons
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 27, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
So NY is loyal
cause they really payed Curry not to play
by JustAnotherFan on May 27, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
To be honest..on the out side looking in
he has a point, as far as our perception. But in reality..id say were 1/2 and 1/2…i mean we did get Cartwright, Oak and Pip back with us..in a “let bygones be bygones way”…but in the end, the only people that like us is Paxson..and I think that’s just cuz he kisses ass alot.
And i think that’s what it is..kiss as to our bosses and we’ll love you for life. Dont kiss ass and end up like Van Leir…
u kno the guy we still have to retire?
On a side note: I know Wade is doing this to entice LeBron to not take us serious..but can you blame him? That how politicians will races and business overtake markets.
"The Bulls Are Back" - D. Stern (2010)
Come on belize
You can’t honestly see it 1/2 and 1/2 no matter which way you look at it. It’s been stated clearly above how loyal this damn team is.
I know you probably wish MJ was still a part of this org. or something but don’t let that confuse you. 90% of NBA superstars rarely stay with their team after all is said and done.
You can argue that this team is up there as maybe the mosy loyal of teams. Only other team I can think of is Lakers maybe who are in the same discussion
by Option27 on May 27, 2010 12:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
nah..MJ being here doesnt bother me
I wish he was, honestly, but im just saying the perception has some fact, simply because the most recognizable Bulls athletes are not here to back us up when stuff like this hits the news.
Jerry Sloan is in Utah, Van Leir passed and never got his due shine, Pip and MJ are just fans that show up once in a while. Everyone else, most of the fans dont know and it will just get worse in time. I bet most of the fans will never know that the Bulls were one of the reasons Bob Love got over his stuttering problem…in 10 yrs, fans will think that its Kevin Love’s brother or something.
I guess my point is: unless a recognizable Bulls athlete become attached to us like Magic /West with the Lakers, Bill Russell/Ainge for the Celtics – these perceptions are for life
"The Bulls Are Back" - D. Stern (2010)
Jerry Sloan is coaching, we had a coach.
Van Leir was working with the organization. It’s not the Bulls fault he died. These perceptions are for life for people who are ignorant. Anyone who has looked into it at all know would it’s patently false to call the Bulls disloyal.
Belize, you can’t just assume because you don’t know anything about the subject that other people won’t, particularly NBA players who know a lot more than the average person.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
umm..i think you read my stuff fast or something
but ok..what ever you say
"The Bulls Are Back" - D. Stern (2010)
How so.. I'm say you are wrong
There is no perception out there that Jerry Reinsdorf isn’t loyal. Only an idiot or someone who knows nothing about basketball and baseball would believe that.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
How do we even know any of those guys wants to be here
Maybe they wanna be on their parents city or where they grew up or where they can have a farm or where there are more single women or where or there are cassinos or where they can go fishing…
It’s not people don’t have more thing to do they stick with the Bulls
by JustAnotherFan on May 27, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
We don't know
and that’s why there is this misconceived ideology that we shyt on players. Im telling you, unless we start having ex-players ride for us or praise us in the media…people are gonna keep throwing shots at us.
AND if there was any time that we need that, its now..hopefully this quote by Wade will make some players call him stupid, like Pip, Jay Will, Curry’s fat ass…anybody.
You can’t call everyone stupid for beliveing a rumor: haven’t yall seen Gossip? Thats how gossip turns into myth and myth turns into facts.
"The Bulls Are Back" - D. Stern (2010)
The way I see it we have the following situation
Great players: moved on to better things than a office job on a franchise. MJ even became a owner
Regular and bad players: got good jobs in the Org. Some moved on later, others stayed.
Luc Longley: I don’t know where da hell he is.
by JustAnotherFan on May 27, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Isn't Luc Longley Aaron Gray's daddy?
"The Bulls Are Back" - D. Stern (2010)
by Belize on May 27, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Luc is somewhere
in Austrailia surfing, he did make a cameo appearance at a Bulls game during the season.
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 27, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I just google it and found out the man in the middle
in working hard to avoid unwanted frog migrations in Australia. And no, I’m not kidding. He’s making the world (or at least Australia) a better place.
by JustAnotherFan on May 27, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Fantastic find
This Great Toad Muster is interesting to say the least….
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
holy crap!
is that a bottom lip mustache?
"The Bulls Are Back" - D. Stern (2010)
by Belize on May 27, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
JR will give you a job if you want it......
he might even create one for you BUT he will never give you so much control that it ruins or changes the way he likes his company’s run. You can’t blame him for that. It’s his club and once you step away from your model then your left in an uncomfortable position.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I dont blame him at all
that’s how u run a business..u let the minions fall in line
"The Bulls Are Back" - D. Stern (2010)
Good post by Doug btw
and there is no way to end the perception, esp with MJ in Charlotte now
"The Bulls Are Back" - D. Stern (2010)
This is probably up there somewhere
but Pippen ended his career with the Bulls. They gave him a contract when they new he couldn’t play that much anymore.
Wade is way off base.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I have a question for everyone.
Since DWade has fired the first shot, whos gonna fire back? DRose? Noah? Pax?
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on May 27, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
No one, because you're not going to change his opinion.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on May 27, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
IF anyone it will be Noah or Stacey King
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Hopefully Jordan says something positive about Reinsdorf and the Bulls
Not likely, but that would definitely end the conversation.
In a perfect world...
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on May 27, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Jordan already has
“In Chicago to play golf at a suburban country club — yes, he still gambles on 10-foot putts — Michael Jordan was asked The Question by one of the organizers. No, it wasn’t whether LeBron James’ mother had an affair with loaded-gun-toting teammate Delonte West, a rumor her attorney strongly denies, but, rather, where her precious Bron Bron will play next. Normally, Jordan doesn’t speculate on the business of others, but this week, he couldn’t resist in opining like everyone else.
"Chicago," he said."
http://jay-mariotti.fanhouse.com/2010/05/18/my-advice-to-lebron-dont-play-in-chicago/
"4 inches, baby!" --ripped off from Kush
by anorexorcist on May 27, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
In your face, Wade
(I know it’s older but anyway)
by JustAnotherFan on May 27, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
In his Hall of Fame acceptance speech he said how he felt.
Plus he’s a owner like Reinsdorf, sign&trade is a possibly for every team in the NBA.
Would you tell your girl friend how manly I am, and I represent a better option?
"JustThrewUp."
"TheBullsAreSoSmallTime"
Pippen even worked for the Bulls
as a guest color commentator the second half of ‘04-’05 season, with Waddle and Johnny Red Kerr. This was probably what gave them the idea to bring in Stacey and do the Waddle/Red Kerr/Stacey troika.
"4 inches, baby!" --ripped off from Kush
by anorexorcist on May 27, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
He played for the Lakers and they are doing alright
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I just read the Fred Mitchell article again and I still can't figure out what the hell all this means:
“(Free agency) has been three years coming,” Wade said. "We’ve discussed it prematurely, at different times. (But) you don’t know what guys are thinking and where they’re going. I think we’ll all sit down, and before one of us makes a decision, all of us will have spoken to each other and (listened to the) thinking.
“A lot of decisions (will be based on) what other players are willing to do and what other guys want to do. So it’s not just a ‘me’ situation here. We all have to look and see what each other is thinking.”
Nobody else is a little frightened by this? Any Free Agent meeting that Wade is presiding over is not gonna be very Bull friendly, in more ways than one.
If you're reading this signature, there's a good chance you don't like Vinny Del Negro.
I think Rose needs to call
Bron and find out where the meeting is, and go crash it, him and Noah chilling in the Hotel lobby or where ever Wade and them are going to be, just waiting on LeBron.
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 27, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Well when we meet with free agents, we can gently point out that the only 2 players officially under contract with the Heat next year are Michael Beasley and Daequan Cook
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on May 27, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
LMFAO,
LeBron should be on the next plane after he hears Beasley
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 27, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't that go against his Loyalty clame?
Unless of course he believes that only a team needs to be loyal to it’s players, but not the other way around. So he’s considering leaving, huh? What a hypocrite.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Matt (Evanston)
Did you see what Wade said about questioning the loyalty of the Bulls organization? For us Bulls fans, is that (i.e. Reinsdorf) a significant concern in bringing FAs here?
John Hollinger (12:39 PM)
I don’t think it’s a huge deal that way. I think Wade is just trying to let down the hometown folks gently … as in, look, I have a good situation in Miami, nothing personal.
letting the hometown folks down gently?
more like kicking them in the back while they are down
"4 inches, baby!" --ripped off from Kush
by anorexorcist on May 27, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Bulls back channels have been working overtime on LeBron, Bosh and even... Phil Jackson?
But no calls to poor Dwyane Wade.
Nothing worse than a woman scorned.
LeBron is an Asshole
by leeac on May 27, 2010 12:47 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Put Wade on "5 good minutes" with Wilbon!
by Option27 on May 27, 2010 12:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Well I think Phil Jackson basically said the same thing
“F” the Bulls back channel, he has no interests ever working for the Bulls.
Why is this such a mystery to you guys?
Have any of you guys had a “job” where you worked for a bunch of “JackAzzes”. It doesn’t matter what they have to offer, how beautiful the city is, how good D.rose is, or what ever..
You never want to go back after you have seem the light and the way a quality organization works without back bitting, media manipulations, etc business as the usual. Bulls organization and Reinsdorf sh.t is so embedded they are almost blind to the B.S.
Sadly, many here are also blinded by inordinate love of the team….
"JustThrewUp."
"TheBullsAreSoSmallTime"
Yet people keep coming back to work for JR.
Everyone that is a member of his staff is basically someone who worked for JR at one time and then came back . You are pathetically misinformed.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
worst job ever was at Arby's
took me at least 10 years to walk in and get a bacon swiss sandmich again
"The Bulls Are Back" - D. Stern (2010)
Which reminds me guys, my one summer of experience working at the movie theatre taught me...
Never order hot dogs or nachos at movie theatres.
Never.
LeBron is an Asshole
if those hot dogs don't sell one day, they're out there the next...
and the next and the next.
and i won’t even go into how many things can be dipped into nacho sauce…
LeBron is an Asshole
by leeac on May 27, 2010 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I never order
from the concessions stand anyway, nachos should not be $6, I just tell the girlfriend to bring the big purse.
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 28, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
The Truth is the Truth and none of your arguments will change the Truth concerning the Bulls Organization
Don’t get mad at Wade, get mad at Reinsdorf and idiot John Paxson.
And don’t think Derrick Rose, doesn’t secretly know this opinion about the Chicago Bulls, but he’ll ride the train until they prove otherwise… In which they (Bull’s) will. Wolves can’t continue to wear sheep clothing without being exposed eventually.
"JustThrewUp."
"TheBullsAreSoSmallTime"
I disagree
There’s plenty of well deserved criticism to throw the Bulls way, the super secrecy, being scared to death of the luxury tax, certain personnel decisions (looking at you Kirk and Vinny), handling the media, etc. etc. But none of that has to do with their treatment of players, which is the main shit that Wade is flinging at them. By all accounts, as long as you’re under the Bulls employ or have been, other than the occasional contract squabble (which is common everywhere), the Bulls seem like an ideal franchise to work for.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 27, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I think its all still an overreaction D-Wade is more so showing indifference and said he doesn’t know if they are.
Hes with the Jordan Brand now I think and he remembers Mj-Pippen-Phil splitting the team. The guys who have the spotlight or are the faces of the team don’t seem to really have that great a relationship with the organization.
D-Wade may feel more like a guy who would be a front man and a guy with a personality… its not the ideal place to be.
Some of what he said maybe worded poorly.
"Well you're giving me the opportunity to agree with Bill Plaschke and Marriotti, I'm gonna pass" - Tim Cowlishaw
agree tat i think he chose his words poorly
I think he was more questioning why our most recent legends seemingly distance themselves from the org
"Bulls seem like an ideal franchise to work for..".
I agree, especially when you don’t have a job or a choice of Jobs. or (opportunities) being flaunted in your face.
The above represents the formula as you will see this summer
Just ask D’Antoni (couple of choices), Vinny Del Negro (one choice), Phil Jackson (many choices)
Tier one Free Agents (all have choices).. the outcome is summer this basically predictable
"JustThrewUp."
"TheBullsAreSoSmallTime"
correction: the outcome this summer is basically predictable
"JustThrewUp."
"TheBullsAreSoSmallTime"
I agree, The Bulls management has a reputation for overappreciating "play the right way" players
like Paxson, Hinrick, Deng, Myers, etc. And underappreciating star players like Jordan, Pippen, Artest, Brand, Gordon. They rode those players to the Bank. They will use up Rose too if he lets them. Cheap Bastards only care about money.
"Jordan, Pippen, Artest, Brand, Gordon"
Which ones of these is not like the others?
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on May 31, 2010 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
You realize you mentioned Paxson.
Someone JR was loyal to, while trying to say Wade was right?
What is the Truth you refer to? What is this secret Rose knows about the Bulls?
The truth is Reinsdorf is one of the most loyal people in all of sports, and is specifically known for that trait, and some (most) actually would say he’s loyal to a fault.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Grinder ... I don't buy this Reinsdorf Loyalty scrap!
I’ve been around the block a couple of times, and I know people. I know there is a certain type of high level exec that speaks noble words, but it’s only a facade…
Truly analyze the dealings your heard concerning Reinsdorf in the last 5, 10 , 15 years and you will see that he has his own definition of loyalty and it in many cases it is conflict with human reasoning. Reinsdorf is quick to sell and state words like Loyalty, but his actions in some cases show a new definition for loyalty.
Again, I’ll state "believe almost none of what your hear and half of what you see, and then if you have experience let it help guide and/or natural reasoning after that unbiasedly consider both parties opinions and positions on the subject.
I usually derive Reinsdorf’s manipulation machine is at work as usual saying one thing and doing another.
Paxson is taking on Reinsdorf attitude, sure Reinsdorf has his favorites and traditional loyalty exists when you are in his camp, selective loyalty is ok, but without integrity (lies) it is a problem.
"JustThrewUp."
"TheBullsAreSoSmallTime"
Read the tribune.
You may not buy it, but all the players who have played for Reinsdorf sure do.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 28, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Convincing.. in the context of Loyalty on Reinsdorf behalf, yet the last three GM/VPs
All three are/have been a cause of negative concern (Krause, Paxson, Foreman), and really are the target of the things I don’t like about the Bulls.
"JustThrewUp."
"TheBullsAreSoSmallTime"
What does Paul Pierce has to do with it?
by JustAnotherFan on May 27, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Paul Pierce: Hey man, i'm tryin to win a series here!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on May 27, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
So does Amare, Boozer, Lee, and Ray Allen have a meeting?
I can see Warrick, Miller, and Matt Bonner sitting together pushing there muscle in where they want to land.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on May 27, 2010 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
That is funny
as hell, Warrick, Miller, and Bonner teaming up for a run in Minnesota.
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 27, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Bonner has a list of five teams he's willing to sign to, lol
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
you know what i find most ridiculous?
Joe Johnson is somehow included in tier 1 of the FA pool still
I thought the same thing. They must owe him for letting them sleep on the top bunk
during the Olympics
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on May 27, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think D-Wade isn’t talking about taking care of him after hes done playing exactly.
When he talks about Mj and Pippen he sounds more like hes saying a player of his caliber.
Also I think he means they really don’t have a great relationship with the organization even after winning 6 titles. The way the Bulls split…they want players who’ll fall in line and they will treat them well. D-Wade I think has a good reason not to come here if he doesn’t feel 100% about it.
"Well you're giving me the opportunity to agree with Bill Plaschke and Marriotti, I'm gonna pass" - Tim Cowlishaw
Pippen came back.
As a player and to announce games. So you have mentioned one person who you can try to say he isn’t loyal to, Michael Jordan, who the owner let play baseball for two years and then let come back and paid 30 million to do so.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn’t he at one point say JR can go to hell?
I saw a clip where Pippen was in a movie fighting Gary Coleman and midgets dressed as clowns so I think he may have been desperate to begin with.
Micheal Jordan was playing Minor ball I thought? If so then he’d make a bigger draw than anyone in that league. The past if anything is grey and it ended in a nasty break up.
If you’re D-Wade (superstar) he sees Mj taking a shot at JR if anything 12 years later. Also just sees one of the greatest teams ever taken apart for who knows why.
Someone else mentioned it I think hes planning to walk in Alonzo’s foot steps in being apart of Miami and all that.
I just think he has good reason to not come here. He is putting down the Bulls and pitching for Miami I’m not disagreeing there I just don’t think what hes saying is ridiculous. I think hes in a different context than Kirk Hinrich…Pargo…Kendall…especially these home guys those are like business moves.
Why not have guys who grew up in Chicago working for the organization. I use to go Kendall Gills cousins ranch and the whole area started watching the bulls games more when he was hired.
"Well you're giving me the opportunity to agree with Bill Plaschke and Marriotti, I'm gonna pass" - Tim Cowlishaw
So you're looking at one guy
Who most people don’t get along with (see hall of fame speech if you don’t know why). Instead of the throngs of people that have come back to the organization?
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
D-Wade isn’t like all of those guys hes a superstar player and that moment was one of the most ridiculous squabbles in sports history.
Hes a guy with more of a personality and hes a front man like Mj who is his boss and still doesn’t like JR.
Financially he’ll be ok..Pippen had to rekindle the flame for money and to me thats an easy business decision for JR.
D-Wade I think is looking to be a staple in the city of the team he’ll be playing for until he retires like Zo. His response is 3 things in one though…a excuse to Chicago fans…a shot at the Bulls organization and a endorsement to other FAs.
For what he wants to do later in his career it makes sense.
"Well you're giving me the opportunity to agree with Bill Plaschke and Marriotti, I'm gonna pass" - Tim Cowlishaw
A front man like Ozzie Guillen.. or Kenny Williams?
JR doesn’t give a shit about that. He’s as loyal as they come, he doesn’t care about a big personality, he’s dealt with plenty of them, and been loyal to them.
MJ is a jackass, the greatest basketball player of all time but he’s a douche bag. It is what it is.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Blamsphemy! Burn him! Burn the witch!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on May 27, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
The Witch: I’m not a witch I’m not a witch!
Sir Bedevere: But you are dressed as one
The Witch: They dressed me up like this!
Crowd: We didn’t! We didn’t…
The Witch: And this isn’t my nose. It’s a false one.
Sir Bedevere: [lifts up her false nose] Well?
Peasant 1: Well, we did do the nose.
Sir Bedevere: The nose?
Peasant 1: And the hat, but she is a witch!
Crowd: Yeah! Burn her! Burn her!
2010... where relevant basketball in Chicago happens!
by kidronmusic on May 27, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Sh-t, what did you expect?!?!?!
Jordan coming around and having ice cream with JR and Pax? The guy is a freaking millionaire who wanted to play golf and spend money in motorbikes. The guy break up his marriage and went to live his bachelor life again with people his age or younger (not JR). And then he bought his own team. That’s it.
When he wanted to play baseball didn’t he get a job from JR? He was treated well. That doesn’t mean that JR and MJ were supposed to be buddies and hit the club together.
by JustAnotherFan on May 27, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
What are you talking about? Thats not the point at all. Mj bashes people in closed circles and guys like D-Wade-Ray-Chris Paul anyone in the Jordan Brand would be witness to this. He took a shot at JR in his speech even.
I don’t believe that Wade is pulling it out of his ass and if he is its a good sign for us. What he said won’t be significant to Lebron signing in Miami or Chicago.
Who is probably the most similar to Mj in the NBA right now, I’d say D-Wade. And now hes working with Jordan and is planning a future that would more so mimic Alonzo in Miami. Hes molding out what hes going to do 5-10 years down the line with a city and team.
Chicago doesn’t seem like the place to do that…he said why he wouldn’t come here and it makes sense.
I just don’t think people should take offense or be in fear of it being that big when it comes to who signs where.
"Well you're giving me the opportunity to agree with Bill Plaschke and Marriotti, I'm gonna pass" - Tim Cowlishaw
Then he should wise up and speak about Miami greatness
Not be talking crap about the Bulls. Only we can do that.
by JustAnotherFan on May 27, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Michael's issues with JR are probably minor
considering JR was actually AT the HOF ceremony and all, no doubt invited by Michael. plus, just like Phil, it’s the Krause factor that’s the real deal. If anything, Michael is upset at JR for standing by and letting Krause do what he did. I’m sure JR probably regrets it too.
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by anorexorcist on May 27, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I think MJ has told everyone he's ever met at one point in his life to "go to hell"
by Option27 on May 27, 2010 3:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Michael Jordan: Thats not true and you can go to hell sir.
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on May 27, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously you guys, there’s no reason to prove wade is wrong or right. Do you not see Wade is shitting his pants right now because the media is favors Chicago, to get Lebron and Bosh? I’m not worried because what he said will turn against him. I’d feel sorry
by bluepiggy on May 27, 2010 1:47 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The proof already exists. Look at the Bulls front office
He’s wrong, there’s no debate about this unless you have no idea what you are talking about.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
What Wade was stupid, so he wants Lebron, huh? So if Lebron leave Clevenland and go to Mimai,
does make that make lebron loyal too? Ha! Wade is slefish sun of a bitch and all he cares about is his damn self. He contradicted himself, period
I wonder how this will play out since Wade works for MJ
i.e….did MJ tell him something, or will he say something after. Not important, but interesting IMO
"The Bulls Are Back" - D. Stern (2010)
Michael Jordan: Can't you guys just let me play golf?
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on May 27, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Wade responds.
“I’m not taking shots at the Bulls, and the organization,” Wade told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel . “I respect the organization, I respect every organization in the NBA. It’s just that my opinion when the question was asked about what’s most important to you, I said one of the most important things is loyalty. It’s not that I’m taking shots at the Bulls, or I’m taking shots at any organization.”
yeah, right
“I am not taking any shots. I just think they are a bunch of S.O.B.s but I respect the organization”
by JustAnotherFan on May 27, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I think i hate him even more now.
I’m calling BULLSHIT he knows EXACTLY what hes saying.
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on May 27, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Bullshit.
I’m not taking shots, I’m just saying they’re disloyal and treat their players like shit, whereas in Miami we give you a personal fluffer for life and treat you right. I like his Glenn Beck impression..
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he was taking shots
Really. He was thinking out loud. To me he was saying I question their loyalty and its something I will investigate if I do pay them a visit.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on May 27, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
How is that not taking a shot?
Call me crazy, but “I question their loyalty” sure sounds like a shot to me.
It's a good question to ask yourself if your a FA
Should he have said it to the media, maybe not. I’m sure he’ll call Jordan for his opinion and other players. All of Tier 1 will.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
its been mentioned above
but i really dont know how he can mention loyalty with a straight face when he’s played for the heat and witnessed first hand riley’s coup d’etat (with another possibly happening this offseason)
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
Also from Souleater's link above:
“I don’t know the date,” Wade said of a potential meeting. “LeBron went through a very tough loss, so you’ve got to give guys time to get over things and get their schedules clear. But before July 1 we’ll know what we’re going to do and hopefully it’s somewhere quiet.”
The free-agent summit also could include Chris Bosh and perhaps others in a class that may feature Amare Stoudemire, Carlos Boozer and Dirk Nowitzki.
“I’m sure a lot of us, when you sit down and everybody puts a list together of opportunities they have, I’m sure a lot of us have a couple of the same opportunities, the same teams they’re looking at,” Wade said. “So I’m sure there’s going to be discussion.”
I just get this sinking feeling reading this. Why would any free agents meet like this to discuss joining the Bulls? This is great news for the Knicks and Heat.
If you're reading this signature, there's a good chance you don't like Vinny Del Negro.
Or there will be a bunch of back-stabbing and lies
and some of them will just play safe
by JustAnotherFan on May 27, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
this is hilarious
Anyone who followed the Bulls during the 90’s knows that the perception was that the players wanted to come back and try to win another title but the org wanted to break up the team and rebuild because “organizations win championships.” Whether that’s the truth or not is irrelevant. Belize made some good points above. It has been widely reported that Wade, Bosh, and LBJ are friends and are part of this kind of fraternity of sorts that consists of star hoopers who won a gold medal together. You think anyone cares that the likes of Gill, Paxon, Myers, Brown, Cartwright got org jobs. Nobody gives a shit but the posters on this blog. People remember the breaking up of a dynasty and old Jordan playing in that ugly Wizards uniform and missing that dunk in the all-star game. So Wade is playing that up to slow down the “bron to the bulls” momentum that for some reason has spread like wildfire. As a Bulls fan, its discouraging but there’s no gurantee that Bron is coming here just because we want him to. Wade can say whatever he wants. Bron is a grown man who will do what’s in his best interest regardless of what Wade thinks. What’s with all the hate on BAB? Hate is a pretty useless emotion. People hate LeBron because he dances and wears monogrammed sweaters. People hate Rondo cuz he fouled Brad Miller hard. Now Wade? Some of you guys should take a Bikram Yoga class. There’s lots of pretty women there and its very soothing and therapeutic. Lmao!
by Rosenscrubs on May 27, 2010 3:02 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
TLDR - suggested Belize made good points.
Has lost all credibility to continue reading.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
So we can't hate Rondo or Wade
Can we hate you?
by JoeDoe on May 27, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
why did i just google bikram yoga?
"The Bulls Are Back" - D. Stern (2010)
by Belize on May 27, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
From the Miami link ...
“I only know, as a fan, from the outside looking in. and so I don’t know what’s going on,” he said. “All I know is that my favorite player of all time is not there, so I’m wondering why, as a fan. Besides that, I think everything was maybe taken out proportion.”Thursday, Wade said it should not be taken that he has summarily ruled out the Bulls or any other organization, despite continually stressing that his goal remains to re-sign with a bolstered Heat roster, with the Heat having yet to win a playoff series since taking the 2006 NBA championship.“I don’t know about their loyalty because I haven’t been in their organization,” Wade said of the Bulls. “The only organization I have been in is in Miami, so I do know the front office, I do know the loyalty of this team and that’s what’s big to me.”It’s not just about basketball, and what can I do for them. It’s about when this game is over, what kind of relationship are we going to have? That’s what I’m speaking more so than anything, so the question was posed to me about Chicago, and . . . I said I don’t know about Chicago, because I don’t know the organization, I only know as a fan, from the outside looking in."He then reiterated of the comments attributed to him in the Chicago Tribune, “I think everything was maybe taken out proportion.”
by Option27 on May 27, 2010 3:43 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 3 recs
So know he's saying
“I’m talking sh-t about stuff I know don’t really know about”, is that it ?
by JustAnotherFan on May 27, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty much.
Realized.. “shit, I could not be more wrong, my bad.”
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
"but...but...Michael Jordan"
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 27, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
6 championships in 8 years, God was it awful.
by MrBungle on May 27, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
heh
yeah, I don’t hate the Jordan years. It’s the nostalgia for them at the expense of the current team.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 27, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
i still have nightmares
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on May 28, 2010 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Knicks fans probably
wonder that w/ Ewing, Pacer Fans w/ Reggie, Piston fans w/ Zeke, Dr. J ran the Magic and not the Sixers. How many great NBA players are apart of their organizations today, Zo w/ the Heat, David Robinson w/ the Spurs, Magic w/ the Lakers, Nique w/ Hawks, what is Hakeem doing, Barkley, Moses Malone, Walter Davis, Buck Williams
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 27, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure Pistons fans are quite relieved the org was loyal to Dumars over Thomas
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
Ya know, he bankrupted the CBA,
ran the Raptors into the ground, and Knicks are still paying for Zeke’s long list of fuck-ups
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 28, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Run...
run backwards as quickly as you can!! The reason your favorite player isn’t there is because he OWNS HIS OWN TEAM!!! I mean I know and you know he was the greatest of all time but something else you and I know is that there’s no job he could have in the Bulls organization that would be higher than owner. Even I don’t expect Reinsdorf to just sell the team to him because he’s Michael.
Come back to us in 20 years when you own the Heat and maybe you can say something.
I was wondering
Maybe we should just do a quick/interesting/(fun?) poll on blogabull to see what people think. Who is their favorite player, who they would like to see on the Bulls next season, who they think will be on the team next season. Maybe this was already done and I missed it, but if it hasn’t, can we do that? Your friendlybullsblogger, can you start something like that?
Bosh or bust!
Lebron is just salad dressing.
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by NBA Observer on May 27, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Mmkay.
Definitely Bosh, maybe Amare, Korver, Lebron, who knows. Did you read that article about Boozer the other day? He seemed interested. Not sure whether that’d be a good idea or not.
Well it's a good idea if no one else will come here.
If the options are Boozer or Taj Gibson, Boozer it is. If the options are Bosh and Boozer, I send Boozer a nice thank you card and some chocolates to make him feel better about the rejection.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 27, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL, that's great!
I just hope we end up with something, i mean c’mon, we have been waiting for something to happen the last few years and it hasn’t happened. The only thing was getting Rose. I don’t mean it wasn’t a big deal, it was an enormous deal, but that was our only big break since 98’. If we don’t get something good, something awesome actually, I am afraid it’s gonna be another few years of wait until another golden opportunity comes. You live and hope, I guess.
Looks like Wade no want to be Bull
I would hate him if he weren’t so damned lovable in T -Mobile commercials.
it's the bow ties that clinch it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 27, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
c'mon wade
who’d give a job to fucking pargo. he’d still be playing in the tundra for food if it wasn’t for the bulls. and none of his other former nba teams called him, i mean i can’t fault their decision, probably right, but you know, loyalty, bulls did the good deed there.
There's a difference between loyalty and charity.
by pooriejay on May 27, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
hah!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I don't have the energy to read through this beast...
but has Lindsey Hunter’s swift transition from player to “organization guy” been brought up as one of the dozens of examples proving that Wade’s claims hold no water?
by tuff-gong on May 27, 2010 5:27 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
before he was bulls gm, they used gar as the inspiration for a popular puppet
"4 inches, baby!" --ripped off from Kush
by anorexorcist on May 27, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
here's a better look
"4 inches, baby!" --ripped off from Kush
by anorexorcist on May 27, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
..and there's Ernie!
"The Bulls Are Back" - D. Stern (2010)
by Belize on May 27, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gar defends the Bulls
“Look at me and Pax: we have different jobs to do the same thing -which we don’t know for sure what it is yet – because that organization loves it people”
by JustAnotherFan on May 27, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
When he made his first appearance, I said a cross b/t Cusack and Hackman
Now, though, I’m convinced he’s a love child of Cusack and Sloth from The Goonies
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
by snley on May 27, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Sam Smith has its value when it comes to defend this org
He already pulled a lot of anti-Heat crap, ha!
by JustAnotherFan on May 27, 2010 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope the heat signs pargo
so, he can drive wade crazy with all his miss shots
by Jermal on May 27, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
no one else matters to dwade except for jordan (and pippen)
he is obviously completely wrong about “loyalty” when it comes to the Bulls (and especially if he compares us to the Heat), but all he knows and cares about are mj and scottie
not surprised or upset at all with his comments. take it in context.
of course, if you look at my signature below (which i’ve had for awhile now), i’ve always wanted wade to come back to chicago and play for the bulls, but unfortunately it seems like less of a possibility now given the overreaction to his comments today and his messy fight with his ex-wife (who’s from chicago)
Where 79-44 lead turns into a 4 point loss Happens
Wade 2010
Wade is afraid
he knows the bulls are a better team than the heat and with another good player would be one of the best teams in the east and maybe in the nba, so he is trying to say anything to prevent players to come to the bulls……….now, he is talking with other players like lebron, jj, bosh about their plans in freeagency………boozer already said that he doesn’t have a problem about playing for the bulls, so what ever he says, the bulls will still get a very good freeagent this summer
Or this could be a clever ruse concocted by
Wade as a means of facilitating his signing with the Bulls. It’s like in grade school when you had a crush on a girl but told everyone how much you hated her. In actuality, you were secretly devising a scheme win her affection. Who’s to say Wade might not be doing the same thing?
by MrBungle on May 27, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Creativity or experience?
rec’d anyway
by JustAnotherFan on May 27, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I kinda like that.
Maybe he didn’t think West was going to sleep with LeBron’s mom and bolt the city of Cleveland.
I love going on this post every so often...
just to read the new greens
by regui8er on May 27, 2010 6:03 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You know I think Wade did the impossible
He’s managed to have us fans circle the wagon around this team’s effort to get Lebron and to put a winner on the court. Maybe it’s just me but this Wade thing really pissed me off as a fan. To try to poison the well for FAs in order to not be in basketball hell in Miami. The thought of him having a say to where Lebron or Bosh or even JJ goes really irritates me as a fan. He’s a local guy but he’s nothing but the enemy to me now. Go Reinsdorf! Go Gar Pax!
Oh God I can’t believe I typed that. Time to sit down somewhere and reflect on life. lol
by Dils on May 27, 2010 6:32 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
if Lebron cares about "loyalty" as much as Wade does
he’ll probably stay in Cleveland anyways. right?
Maybe that's what Wade wants
stay in that weak-S team while i gather some cool FA to beat your S
by JustAnotherFan on May 27, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
People calm down its a win / win situation for the bulls
If lebron goes to miami fuck him…we can just start the Lebron hate Posts again…We sign Bosh and continue building team around rose…
by rick_ross on May 27, 2010 6:51 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Hey, why don't we a do a swap with the Lakers?
Kobe is the closest thing to Jordan, he tries to copy him all the time, and is the ultimate competitor #1 in the NBA. Ron Artest adores Rodman, even sounds kind of like him. Odom…well he isn’t exactly Pipp, but when he plays his best can be one of the more versatile players in the NBA. Phil Jackson is playing mind games 24/7, so even though his relationship might be quite sour to really non existant with the Bulls organization, he could be in witha a shout of coaching the Bulls starting this summer, right?
LOL, sorry guys just had to write this.
when was wade ever apart of the bulls franchise?
I bet pat reilly told him this. it’s funny how he retires jordans #23 in a miami heat stadium..
By the way, if we follow Wade line of thought
Why Pat is in Miami instead of LA?
by JustAnotherFan on May 27, 2010 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Lost a lot of respect for Wade
I want to hate him for saying what he said but I just can’t. the best I can do is to have a strong distaste for him. he’ll always be the Chicago Kid. I just wish he wasn’t such a sell out. I know his heart is in Miami but you would think he would have a little more respect for his fans back in his home town rather than doing his best to throw our 2010 hopes under the bus.
Jealous*
But who gives a fuck about spelling.
by T.Moore on May 27, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
That was lucky as hell.
Fuck Kobe, fuck Artest and fuck the Lakers.
So much for a fun finals.
by T.Moore on May 27, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
MAN
what the hell, i feel like they get SO lucky with that, like gasol able to tip in a miss at the buzzer against OKC. But Millsap? missed his tip-in last series against the Lakers
If this laker team
Went up against any of the championship Bulls teams. I will say that they would lose in 6 (like every other team the bulls face in the finals). They have so much talent but they are so damn soft.
This is somewhat grim but the truth is...
This whole idea that the Bulls don’t take care of their own doesn’t really apply as far as Lebron is concerned. Even IF it were true, the man supposedly “not taking care of his own,” Reinsdorf, probably isn’t going to be around when LeBron finishes his career.
i see Reinsdorf here for the long run
the white sox won the 2005 world series, but the Bulls have been nothing for 10 years. Bulls are back though, so he’s here to stay
He's here win or lose.
The Bulls make him loads of cash, that’s why he’s going to be here or the long run.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
I thought he meant like he would be dead or something
by JustAnotherFan on May 28, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok, I see.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
This thread is hilarious
DWade was never leaving Miami (not to come to Chicago, NY, or anywhere else). You could only be upset at his comments if you really thought there was a chance he’d come here. When he has tipped his hand on occasion, its always been in the direction of staying in Miami.
But seriously….he’s been asked about coming back to Chicago a zillion times already. Does everyone really think he waited for the zillionth time to take a shot at the organization? And even if that’s exactly what he did…..in the end, he’s loyal to the franchise that drafted him and that franchise (Heat) is competing with the Bulls for the same FAs.
Get over it…..if we find out Lebron has narrowed his choices to Cleveland, NY, and Chicago, you better believe everyone here will shit on Cleveland and NY to make their case for coming to Chicago. The same goes for Bosh.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
by PeteRoc on May 28, 2010 10:44 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
What are you saying?
Nobody here is mad because they thought Wade was coming here. Most people are peeved because he’s full of shit and potentially ruining our chances at Lebron or Bosh. If he was shitting on the Bulls for valid reasons, i.e. they have bad talent evaluators and haven’t won shit since MJ left, I’d have no beef. But he’s a)spewing garbage that isn’t true and b)he’s being hypocritical.
And yeah, I’d shit on Cleveland or NY, but I’d say things that are true. I.e., from my experience Cleveland sucks. The only spot over there that I enjoyed myself was Kent State. And for New York, they play in a piece of shit stadium and have a terrible supporting cast.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Oops....forgot to hit the reply button, see my comments below (hopefully)
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
I'm saying I can't believe you believe his intent was to publicly trash the organization
He and every other FA has been coy about their intentions and feelings about joining other teams. DWade has been asked about playing for the Bulls plenty of times and you really believe he chose to trash the team now?
Yes…I think his comments were blown out of proportion. Second, why in god’s name would he purposely trash the organization publicly when he can do so privately to the other key FAs. Third, why would he do so publicly when having the Bulls as a potential sutior of his services only benefits him (even if he has no intention of leaving Miami).
In other words, everyone is all hell bent out of shape over nothing.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
It's been blown out of proportion, but he did specifically indict the Bulls org as not being loyal to MJ and Pippen
while touting the Heat. At this point, though, having the Bulls as potential suitor is of no benefit nor detriment for him. The Heat can offer him more money than any other team, so it’s not like he could leverage the Bulls into a bigger contract.
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
I think there are two things at play here.
A) He’s addicted to Miami and doesn’t want to leave.
B) He realizes that if he misses out on Lebron/Bosh, he’s got no chance at a title.
Lebron is either going to MIA, CHI or NY, in my opinion. If he goes to Chicago or NY, there’s no shot for the Heat to beat a team built around Lebron+JJ/Bosh/Boozer or Lebron/Rose/Noah/Deng.
He’s desperate, so he’s trying to put it out there that the Bulls franchise stinks. It’s not like he called a press conference, he was asked about free agency, so he took a shot at Reinsdord & co.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Meant as a reply to Peteroc's response to my response.(?)
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
I expect Wade's ex-wife to sue his S
Based on the fact that her children are Bulls Fans and their father traumatized them
by JustAnotherFan on May 28, 2010 1:51 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
The bulls are stupid for wanting Lebron and they don’t care about throwing Deng under the bus. Use your brain Chicago, DON’T get something you don’t need. What they should be doing is trying to acquire a PF, i.e. Bosh or a player who can accomadate Rose at the SG position. I think trading Noah for a center is also not out of the question although not necessary.
by jordangarnett235 on Jun 7, 2010 8:13 PM CDT reply actions
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