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Derrick Rose has steadily developed for the past two years into an allstar-caliber player. For this success, we need to give our hearty thanks to Mr. Rose for working so hard, and also to the coaching staff, particularly Lindsey Hunter. While I hated VDN's aimless offense and cheerleader coaching, I have to admit that just throwing Rose out on the court while yelling "Attack!" from the sidelines allowed Rose to figure out how to play "his way." Rose seemed to thrive in the inefficient chaos that was the VDN offense, revelled in being the team's primary scorer, and often enough - the team's sole chance of winning a damn game. He became a much better outside shooter, switches speeds well, can outmaneuver defenders, find lanes, and get to the basket. He is also more than willing to pass to open teammates, and would have had a much higher number of assists if his teammates could shoot well. Derrick Rose, however, is still a work in progress: he still needs to develop his outside shooting, particularly from the 3 point line, I would love to see him become a better defender (tho he has gotten much better, and I doubt he will ever be more than a solid defender), he doesn't get as many assists as I would like (tho not having another scoring option is partially responsible), and finally, he needs to learn how to make contact and get foul calls...he absolutely sucks at this. In my opinion, losing BG last season (and the subsequent roster turnover) affected Rose's development in two ways. First, his development as a PG suffered - he had fewer assists than he would have, and his role as a passer and creator of offense did not develop as well as it should have because 1) he no longer had a primary scoring option to dish the ball to, and 2) because he had to learn to play with a rotating cast of teammates (chemistry takes time) 3) Our offense was just not going to be that great no matter what he did. Second, his development as a scorer improved, because he had to do as much as humanly possible to win games (Thank you VDN!), BUT because (In my admittedly biased opinion) the coaching staff encouraged him to develop the way he wanted to develop, he did not advance as well as he could have in certain areas (e.g. causing contact, 3 point shooting). He learned to do what it took to win games in the short term, but did not develop skills that would be of benefit to him a few years down the line (Lousy VDN!).

Another issue is whether Rose is developing the leadership skills that he will need to march a team to (repeat?) championship glory. He seems like a shy guy, at least in front of the media. While he may be a solid locker room influence and occasional playoff guarantor, he does not appear to be in charge of the team to the same extent that Hinrich was when he was the starting PG. Right now, I expect that Noah and Hinrich are the team leaders (I love how Hinrich always wants to throw down after one of the Bulls gets a hard foul), with Miller and Hunter providing solid veteran influence and Deng workmanlike professionalism. What about Rose? no one really knows, but in my opinion, it seems like he is a good influence, has a winning mentality, but is more of a respected teammate than a leader. I would like to see him become a leader, if not THE leader of the team.

 Now we are a few short weeks away from the prophecied free-agentpalooza of 2010. We will have a new coach next season, and will also have a few new players on the team. Hopefully, at least one of them is one of the Big 3 Stars. All of them would affect Rose's game and development, both as a player and as a team leader, but I am not sure that all of that influence will be positive.

Dwyane Wade - His presence would definitely open things up for Rose, who would respond by continuing to score the way he always has. On one hand, Rose would be very successful with Wade as a teammate; his shooting percentage and assists would go up, and he would be allowed to refine his skills as a passer/creator. However, he would have to learn to work with his third primary scoring option in three years (which would screw with him a bit), and I suspect that he would not accrue the skills he would need to be an elite scorer - he would just keep on doing what he is doing now. Rose would be the second option, so he would score if open, pass if not open --> not learning to score in crunch time while well guarded (him getting easy baskets is not a bad thing, but I know he can become a semi-undefendable scorer). Rose would also not have to take a leadership role on the team. The team leaders would be Wade, Noah, and Hinrich (if Kirk is still around). Rose would likely be a respected and beneficial influence on the team, he would have a voice, but I just don't see him stepping up to be as strong of a leader as he might be without Wade - he just wouldn't have to.

LeBron James - Similar to Wade, except that I suspect that Rose would have his playing time deliberately stacked to fall whenever James was having a break, so that it would be Rose's team for 10 minutes a game (same thing would happen with Wade, but it would be even more exagerated with James). On one hand, Rose would suffer the temptation to just pass the ball to James and get the hell out of his way, on the other, he would have more time on the court as the primary scoring option, would have to develop as an outside shooter to complement James' driving prowess, and James' ability to draw fouls would counterintuitively increase the urgency for Rose to draw fouls - If both Rose and James regularly drew fouls, the other team = screwed. Also, the mere presence of Lebron would create wide open looks for everyone not named Rose or James (and James does not mind spreading the wealth), so Rose would have an opportunity to regularly practice creative offense. James' rebounding would definitely help too. As far as devloping as a leader goes, any (non-olympic, non-Kobe, non-Wade) team with James is James' team, BUT I think it has been established that James is simply not a leader of Jordan's or Nash's caliber. There is a need for other guys to step up and be the locker room voice that screams "We do not give up in the sixth game of a playoff series!" As with Wade, Noah and possibly Hinrich will be those guys, but there is room for Rose to be one of the team's leaders to a greater degree than would be possible with Wade.

Chris Bosh - Low post scoring would complement Rose's driving and gunning. Rose would have things opened up for him as with the others, but since Bosh is a completely different type of scorer, Rose would not be directly competing with him for offensive chances. Moreover, Rose would not be the second scoring option so much as scoring option 1B. Rebounds would help too, as would the fact that Rose would still have to develop as a shooter. I think the Bulls would obviously be a better team if we had James instead of Bosh (we are contenders with Bosh, Eastern Conference favorites with James), but I think Bosh actually complements Rose the best. Anything one doesn't do well, the other excels at - together, they make an almost unstoppable combination. Rose would still be required to be a dominant scorer, but wouldn't be called upon to force bad shots, his assists would go up, and the offense would become relatively simple to work - which means that it would be easily mastered (tho this may hurt Rose's floor creativity). I also suspect that it would be easier for Rose to learn how to work with Bosh than with the other two. I expect that if we got James, it would take Rose a season to learn how to play with such a dominating (and unpredictable) player and three years before the full potential could be reached (admittedly a wild guess) - they would be good off the bat, but it would take a bit before they would be GREAT together. Working with Wade would take a shorter period of time, but there would still be a learning curve. Bosh? I have always thought that low post scoring is the simplest kind of offense (may be wrong). If you are well-covered, does Bosh have good position and a good matchup? Yes? Pass it to Bosh and set up for a rebound. As far as being a leader goes, if we got Bosh, the Bulls would be Rose and Bosh's (or, if you prefer, Rose and Noah and Bosh's) team - Rose would have to cultivate leadership skills - Bosh has shown that while he isn't a bad teammate, he wants attention, stats, etc. Rose would be put in charge of maintaining team chemistry, diplomatic relations with Bosh, and willing the team to win - he would become the floor leader that he needs to be. I am sure there will be a lot of disagreement - let me know what you think.

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nice post. but one thing. it's Derrick.

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by swishh on May 16, 2010 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

...it's spelled "Derrick"...

and if they get Wade or James, I’m not sure why Rose would need to develop his leadership skills…

by tuff-gong on May 16, 2010 3:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Oops, I always do that

Changed it to Derrick (think I got all of them)

I am just happy that I remembered to spell D-Wade’s name as Dwyane and not as Dwayne

by Kyle From Chicago on May 16, 2010 3:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Bosh isn't a low-post scorer.

Your assumption that he is leads me to believe that you’ve barely seen him play, which invalidates the rest of your argument, in my humble opinion.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on May 16, 2010 3:57 PM CDT reply actions  

I Respectfully Disagree

I see where you are coming from – he is an inside/outside guy, he has a good jumper, and is not a Shaq-style muscle scorer, but he does post-up (Went looking for stats and found that he had 548 post-ups…think it is from 2010…sorry my stats suck) and uses the threat to open up the shots he wants. IMO, he is not a one-trick pony, but he is a low-post scorer.

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by Kyle From Chicago on May 16, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Better Stats

He is 14th in the league with 5.9 Attempts at the Rim per game (53.4% unassisted)
He is 9th in shots within 10 feet with 3.3 per game (53% unassisted)
He is 16th in dunks with 89
He shoots more near the rim than away from it (7.4 apg further than 10 feet)

Highest stat matches are Amar’e Stoudemire and Yao Ming

by Kyle From Chicago on May 16, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

That doesn't make him a post player

Amare’s not a post player either

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on May 16, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

New 2010 plan

Sign shaQ!! we need a post player

by rick_ross on May 16, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bosh and Stat

are much better post threats than David Lee.

by QUINTEN DALEY on May 18, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your link doesn't lead to anything

He’s not a low-post player. He’s not strong enough to fight for position down low. He’s a midrange, finesse player. He’ll post up a fair amount, but rarely down on on the block. Usually he sets up 15 feet on the baseline or at the elbow, and he usually faces up on the guy. Now I’m not saying that makes him an inferior player, but if you can’t begin to talk about how well guys fit together if you don’t have an accurate gauge on their playing styles.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on May 16, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

In fairness though, how many true back to the basket post players are there anymore?

The NBA has kind of moved off that. Bosh’s game is kinda more effective now because of his ability to run and knock down shots.

If you're reading this signature, there's a good chance you don't like Vinny Del Negro.

by Juiceboxjerry on May 16, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yer i think as far as big men go

His the best one out of the bunch because he gets to the line alot (8.4 per game) . So does amare(7.7) . But Bosh is younger and is a better rebounder(10.8) and defender than stat. His not a traditional post player but as far as his game goes he can take on his defender 1 on 1 within a half court offensive system.

by rick_ross on May 16, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with that

I’m not saying that Bosh not being a low-post player is a bad thing, just that it’s a fact. IMO, having a low-post player is more of a necessity if your perimeter players are all jump-shooters who don’t get to the rim (like the 04-07 Bulls, led by Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, and Nocioni). With a player like Rose, I think we’re better off with a more athletic big man that can space the floor and run the pick and roll rather than a plodding low-block player that can clog up the lane.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on May 16, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point

If you're reading this signature, there's a good chance you don't like Vinny Del Negro.

by Juiceboxjerry on May 16, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

What helps is Bosh

can command a double team, which helps the team out.

by QUINTEN DALEY on May 18, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

The most important FA for Derrick is going to be the coach...

He needs someone that will install a base offense that will preserve his strengths (eg dribble penetration), but also incorporate enough action from the other guys on the floor to make his job as a facilitator easier. All of his assists shouldn’t have to come from him dribbling into the teeth of the defense to draw everyone’s attention. There’s no reason why the mere threat of his penetration should prevent a coach from designing a structure that allows other players to take advantage of the attention he warrants.

Granted… getting LBJ, DWade, or Bosh would help him tremendously. Defenses might be forced to shift their strategy (attention) towards the new guy(s) and you might all of sudden see Derrick get a bunch more layups (or close shots) b/c the help defense is no longer geared primarily for him.

But then again… the new guy(s) will expect an offense best suited to their strengths, so this is all the more reason to pick a coach who can best incorporate Derrick and the FA(s).

Again, I think the most important FA is the coach. Since the Bulls won their first title in ‘91, only 6 HCs have won titles. If the goal is to win titles, don’t think just b/c you get a FA, the coach won’t matter.

"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan

by PeteRoc on May 16, 2010 4:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I aree with you 100%

Rose needs a better coach, one with more experience to help him to continue improving his game……….lebron and bosh will or would help too but you need a coach that calls good plays, specially after a timeout and knows how to motivate his players and which ones to bring in the game.

by Jermal on May 16, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would like to see the bulls try to trade up and get Xavier Henry

James anderson and paul george is good players but i think henry might be better………trade james johnson to move up…..i would say hinrich but everyone knows he’s not going any where because management loves him so, so much, why, i don’t know?

by Jermal on May 17, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm offended that you...

….mentioned Nash in the same category as Jordan when talking leadership. Yes Nash is good but there are SO many great leaders who have done far more than Nash in their careers (winning championships and MVPs). In fact, after Nash’s 7th season he wasn’t much of a leader either. He had Michael Finley and Dirk Nowitzki as teammates and in truth Finley was the leader of that team.

Anyway, great read but please don’t mention Nash in any sentence with Jordan again.

by lexdiamonds0730 on May 16, 2010 6:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Also, I agree with you 100% about Bosh.

If I had my druthers, that is who I’d like to get. But in truth the Bulls can get a second max guy if they are willing to part with Deng or Hinrich in a sign and trade. I hope they aren’t so in love with those two that they are unwilling to move them.

by lexdiamonds0730 on May 16, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nash won 2 MVPs

There aren’t “SO many great leaders” who have done that.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on May 16, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Amare didn't have those injuries......man

He did lose some explosiveness, or am I wrong?

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by Trey23 on May 16, 2010 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

...

This is absolute BS…So Rose shouldn`t play with any good players that don`t operate out of the post is basically what you are saying…just incase he has someone to pass to…

That sure would be swell…Rose would be open to score 30ppg and we still wouldn`t have a championship….yayy!

by Fiadelnegro on May 16, 2010 7:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Be careful with assuming Rose will have more assist with better shooters and scorers...

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by realisticoptimist on May 16, 2010 8:43 PM CDT reply actions  

If the name of the game is winning playoff series...

then I think you’d have to go with Dwyane Wade. Yes Bosh does things Rose doesn’t . Yes Lebron is Lebron. But, only one of those three has proven themselves to be a consistent playoff competitor and it’s Wade. Not to mention I think he’s a better role model in terms of how he carries himself on and off the court. I really don’t want to see Rose doing pre-game camera poses next year.

by rinconen on May 16, 2010 9:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Rose is a grown man

Who’s the best role model for him is irrelevant.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on May 16, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't want Lebron on our team....

I think it would serve us better to get Bosh this year and Melo next season so Rose can develop into a dynamic playmaker and distributor and won’t have to take over the game for us to win. Bosh and Melo both have that killer mentality that’s necessary in a superstar and having these players alongside Rose would cause matchup problems for anybody. I also think we could move Noah to center to complement Bosh’s talents.

Lebron is overrated and seems to have a sense of entitlement that may rub some people the wrong way in the Chi, imo. You bring in Lebron and we may not have the funds to bring in another great FA. I don’t think Lebron really would be the answer, but most people disagree with me on that. He just doesn’t have the heart to get it done in big games, it seems. Plus I’d want off with his head if he ever quit on us like he did Cleveland the last two games.

by Raider Zealot on May 17, 2010 5:44 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

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