Could Stoudemire Be A Better Fit Than Bosh?
by JSlakov on Apr 7, 2010 6:19 PM CDT
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PrintCheck out these numbers, if you will, from the Suns' first 38 games compared to their most recent 39. As you'll see, 38 games into the season there was no doubt about the focal point of Phoenix's attack. Nash led the team in minutes and usage rate, and by a wide margin in player efficiency rating.
NASH AND STOUDEMIRE, 2009-10
Minutes Usage Rate PER First 38 games Nash 1,320 25.66 24.53 Stoudemire 1,281 24.51 20.52 Last 39 games Nash 1,128 19.67 18.37 Stoudemire 1,376 23.88 24.25 Since then, however, two things have happened. First, Nash's balky back has turned on him a bit. Second, Amare Stoudemire has become much more comfortable after playing his way back into shape in the first half of the season (he couldn't train over the summer while he recovered from a detached retina).
As that has happened, Phoenix has shifted from a Nash offense to an Amare offense. Over the past 39 games, Stoudemire -- not Nash -- is the Suns' leader in minutes, usage rate and PER. He's passed Nash on the PER charts despite being miles behind at midseason, and has a chance to pass him in usage rate, too.
That's from John Hollinger's latest article on how the Suns are by far the most efficient offense one again this year, and the third best all time, by his metrics. Reading this backed up what I had already suspected: Amare has been playing better and better and getting back to his dominant ways.
Now, I haven't done the research to take a really good look at this question, but I hope some people have the relevant stats to discuss it fully. For now, I'll just go with my subjective impressions. Bosh is better at posting up and facing up, but with Rose's lack of three point shooting, he might not get as much space as he would on another team. Amare on the other hand is better at finishing around the basket and finishing on pick and rolls, which with Rose would form a truly deadly combo.
Also Amare has played seemingly his best ball this year with Robin Lopez, who does a lot of similar things to Noah (except worse) which makes me think they will mesh nicely.
I believe Bosh is the better defender, and that might hurt be a strike against him, but with Deng, Noah and Hinrich (hopefully we'll improve over him, but for now) we should have a good defense either way.
Another, selfish reason is that I just don't like Bosh's game very much and I love Amare's rim rattling, posterizing attitude. This has nothing to do with whether he's a better fit or not, but if they're close to even, I'd rather go with the player that will be more fun to watch for the next 6 years.
I'm very open to the possibility that I'm very wrong on this, I more just want to start the discussion and see where it leads. At worst, I think people are underestimating how good Amare could be as a consolation prize if we miss out on Bosh (or Wade, etc.)
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I think if we get Bosh...
We will win more, and I think that will be fun to watch for the next 6 years… especially since we get 3-4 great highlights every night from Rose.
Another, selfish reason is that I just don’t like Bosh’s game very much and I love Amare’s rim rattling, posterizing attitude. This has nothing to do with whether he’s a better fit or not, but if they’re close to even, I’d rather go with the player that will be more fun to watch for the next 6 years.
Other than that, I think Amare would make us a much better team. I agree that he’s a great fit with Rose and Noah. I don’t think the org likes him much, because there has been so many times where he seemed available and they didn’t sniff.
But I think that Bosh has a more all around game. In fact, I think this team, plus Bosh and anybody who can hit %40+ from 3 point range makes us a contender.
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i hate the idea of having Amare, the guy is tiny. He is not suppose to play center.
I for once would like to have a big frontcourt
Um, he'd be playing PF here. Noah is the Bulls' center.
Thrusting out of the playoff race, one injury at a time.
by Illini15 on Apr 7, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
either way i dont think Amare will ever be as effective as he is without steve nash
and no derrick rose will never be the type of passer that Nash is
This is a legit concern about Amare
That he won’t be as effective without Nash or on a different offense than the one Phoenix runs. I think there are a couple of things that hint at him being just as effective away from Nash or on just about any but the slowest, most half-court offenses.
First, he is a physical beast. He is aggressive and he has a “I will dunk on you any time I can” mentality. That is a quality that will be with him no matter where or with whom he plays with.
Second, he one of the best jump shooting PF’s. While Nash probably gets him a lot of open shots, I think Rose can do similar.
So between his aggressiveness, desire and ability to dunk any chance he gets even if someone is in his way, and ability to make an open jump shot he stands to be pretty darn effective here.
by berzerkulous on Apr 7, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
In other words
He is just too dominant and efficient offensively, that I find it hard to believe he would drop much at all on the Bulls.
I'd be more worried about the current injuries of Bosh than Amare's
That nasal fracture that Bosh has could potentially result in a serious condition for his future.
I think the knock that he plays with Nash is overdone.
Obviously playing w/ Nash or another of the best PGs to play the game will help anyone’s offense, but it’s kinda perverse to count it against them or assume that’s the only thing propping their game up.
Also in a wierd way, to be afraid that his game would drop off if he came to the Bulls rubs me the wrong way because it sort of undercuts Rose. When his passing game gets questioned, the counter is usually that his assists are down because teammates aren’t connecting. Amare could be the ideal correction.
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No, his first All-Star season was Nash's first year with Phoenix.
And, looking at the jump in efficiency from year 2 to year 3, it’s hard to discount that Nash and D’Antoni didn’t have a huge effect on Amare’s game.
I’m not going to say all his success is owed to those two guys, but I think the criticisms of a “system” player are valid. Amare and Rose is a great combo, but I don’t think Amare remains an elite offensive player without the right play-calling.
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 8, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Would you call
David Lee a system player?
by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 8, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
He should have been an all-star in year 2
I’m not saying he didn’t benefit from Nash but he was still a highly productive player before he got there.
Brad Miller is god.
One more poit
The biggest statistical indicator against him being a system-player/ Nash beneficiary. In 03-04, te year before Nash he averaged 7.9 ftas/ game, right on par with his career average of 7.8 ftas/ game. This ability to get to the line at a high rate is something that no other d’antoni player has replicated, which is why I’m a believer in Amare in another offense.
Brad Miller is god.
This is just a ridiculous comment
First, Nowitzki has had his 2 best seasons after Nash left. Second, Stoudemire was already a 20ppg scorer before Nash, although his best seasons were with Nash. However, that is not surprising since he came out of high school and nash arrived his 3rd year. Finally, no Rose will never be the type of passer Nash is, but he could be close. Derrick is a different kind of player. He may never make amazing passes and have great court vision, but Rose can also create more openings for teammates because of his scoring prowess. I think both Amare and Bosh would be great here. I’d take the player that we can sign outright and not have to use Noah in a sign and trade for.
I hear Happy Walters (Amare's agent) (that is a cool name right)
screaming “IN SHOES IN SHOES!!!”
He plays offense as the C unless Sideshow is out there
When there is a teamate on the block with him hes less effective. Im not going to pretend toknow the math but from watching he looks it. Its either the way he gets by his own man that leaves him vulnerable to the next defender or its his decision making after. The Spurs love to have Dice guard him and run him into Duncan alot of times.
that is simply wrong
Amar’e was a beast the first couple of months after the Shaq trade. His numbers only dipped when Porter started featuring Shaq in the offense instead of Stoudemire and Nash.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 7, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I think both of them were good together
But better apart
Im not saying the numbers
But when they “needed to guard him” thats how they did it in the past. He has Frye now and the Spurs werent really the Spurs all year. Im not a Spurs fan never rooted for them in one game but when the game was on the line thats how they handled him. What would the drop if any from playing in the Suns system as supposed to ours? I think Bosh would benefit from our system I mean look at what he has in Toronto beside Calderon and the inconsistent at best Bargnani an Turk. I mean look at the game now how is this team held by Antoine an Sonny. I mean im not high on Deng at all and id trade him first chance but just playing with Noah and Rose will make Bosh better than it would make Stat
22 and 5 for Amare with 8:23 to play in the 3rd quarter vs SA tonight.
I guess SA doesn’t feel like they’ve “needed to guard him”
You need to guard someone at the end of close games
Thats when you “need” to guard someone and in those situations they are very good at exploiting Amare’s weakness…. How many of those points were off excellent passes or perfectly ran pick and rolls? Those are things he wont be getting as much as a Bull. You are right he had a great game but the 4 turnovers and the getting swatted 3 times which happen when the ball is given to him in the post. Bosh is just different and with Rose and Noah he is a better fit. Stat is great and he plays with some great players.
Amare doesnt fit with Noah
I like both players first off. Amare was a first team at center and does it wonderful as long as he has space. If anyone watches any Suns game here we all know the bread and butter is when the other teams big has to stay with Frye at the 3 point line and you have the pick and roll from 14 ft out normally a little to the left. Noah cant create 15 ft let alone 8 from the hoop. Bosh can be effective from the triple threat position from 15 ft away on an iso. Now if the Sam Smith article about the Raptors wanting Noah in return I wouldnt mind a Bosh/Amare/Rose 3 headed monster but thats impossible to get unless you service a leprachaun.
The main thing is Amare needs space and Bosh creates space.
by TRiCioNeRo on Apr 7, 2010 7:16 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Amare's most natural position is PF.
Amare doesn’t need anymore space than any other PF. Very few teams have good 3-pt shooting big men. It’s very possible to win a championship without one. Proper spacing can be created without having 4 3-pt shooters on the floor with a good offensive gameplan involving good off-ball movement.
Brad Miller is god.
Aye, aye.
On one hand, I get the knock against guys like Amare (or even David Lee) being not-as-good-as-meets-the-eye because of the system they play in is partially valid. But on the other hand, the Bulls need a new (or at least improved) system as much as they need new talent. We’re a young enough team to run more and play faster anyways, and I think most would agree that VDN’s style isn’t exactly utilizing our current talent in the first place; so before cautioning against a given player’s “fit” we ought to reconsider exactly what it is they’d be fitting into in the first place. It’s like if you save up for an expensive new designer suit but have shitty posture and pick your nose.
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by headphones on Apr 8, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Amare is a great pick and roll player and would be an excellent fit with Derrick Rose.
Every team in the league would love to have a spread the floor C but the Suns decided that the team was a better overall fit with a defensive minded Lopez starting next to Amare. Subsequently, Amare played his best/most productive basketball of the season with the majority of his minutes in the same lineup as Lopez who does not spread the floor on offense.
and Noah is an even better Robin Lopez
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 8, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
you need to watch more robin lopez. as one who has, i would hesitate to make such a simple blanket statement.
"Let's do some living... after we die"
on the other hand
after noah’s 1st half tonight, i might be all for the blanket statement!
nice two hand set jumper and a couple spinning drives (the first was a colossal lebron travel though!) it’s joakim’s offensive game i worry over. robin lopez has actually surprised tremendously in that regard.
"Let's do some living... after we die"
noah can't shoot
What else can’t he do on offense?
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I wouldn't hesitate a fraction of a second.
We’re talking about Robin Lopez, not Brook..
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
Comparing Lopez to Noah
Per 70 possessions, using all stats except scoring:
Player TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF Lopez 8.9 0.3 0.4 1.9 1.5 4.2 Noah 13.2 2.4 0.7 1.9 2.2 3.8
Lopez with fewer turnovers, but otherwise Noah destroys him. Here’s their scoring numbers per 70:
Player Pts TS% USG% Lopez 15.4 0.621 17.3 Noah 12.7 0.549 17.1
Same usage, the only difference seems to be that Lopez’s TS% is way, way higher. PER can’t see offensive systems. It’s seeing a giant TS% and saying that cancels out Lopez’s weaknesses in rebounding, passing, and steals. In this case, where Lopez is driving up his TS% with a lot of gimme buckets in a great Suns system, PER is wrong. That’s not to say Lopez’s scoring = Noah’s scoring (Lopez is probably a little better cause he has a jumper), but it’s not the drastic difference that shows up in the stats.
I’m biased against Amare as it is, and maybe I’m reaching for a low limb here, but this is the kind of thing that downright scares me about getting Amare. Robin Lopez in a Bulls uniform this year doesn’t sniff a .621 TS%, and yet his PER is so dependent on that very statistic. Obviously Amare is a more talented scorer than Robin is, but I’d still expect a TS% dropoff when he’s surrounded by our schlubs instead of one of history’s best offensive supporting casts.
by YaoPau on Apr 9, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Crap
I forgot to mention that Lopez’s PER (17.6) is almost identical to Noah’s PER (17.7). That’s kinda important to all that above :)
we have been dieing for a low post player for years, and Bosh is more of a low post player than
amare is. He gets his points off dunks and jump shots, however seems like its pretty difficult for the bulls to get into the paint that easily. Also his injuries have me worried about spending the max on a guy that will play about as many games as Luol Deng does.
That's not true at all
Bosh rarely posts up. His entire game is predicated on facing guys up. And Bosh also takes MORE jumpshots than Amare does. Look it up on Hoopdata if you don’t believe me.
Finally, in regards to the injury aspect, Amare’s had two major injuries: the detached retina of last year and the microfracture knee injury. The retina thing was a complete freak accident. If anything, Amare’s less likely to experience something like that since now he wears a mask all the time. And as for the knee thing, he’s had 0 knee problems since coming back from the surgery. Over the past 4 years, Bosh has missed more games than Amare.
Brad Miller is god.
By the way, I'm not saying Amare's better than Bosh.
I just think a lot of Amare’s criticisms are overblown. I’d say that he’s been called overrated so much that he’s now underrated. He’s the bizarro Joe Johnson.
Brad Miller is god.
Agreed
even his injury history is overblown. The microfracture surgery was the major one and he seems to have recovered just fine from that. The eye injury was a freak thing like you said. Other than that, he’s been healthy. Since he came back from that, he’s played 82, 79 and all 78 games this season. He only played 53 games last year from the eye injury which, again, was a freak injury. Since 05-06, Bosh has averaged 71 games a year, including this year in which he’s played in 70 games and is done for the year. To be fair, this facial injury would qualify as a freak injury as well.
I still would take Bosh over Amare, I’m just agreeing that some of the criticism is overblown and he’d be one hell of a consolation prize.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
by bigballa10 on Apr 8, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nash and Lopez have back problems
I haven’t heard anything about Amare having issues with his back.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
I absolutely think he could be a better fit.
I think Bosh will be a better fit, though. I’m more than willing to allow that I may be wrong, though.
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yeah I'm just playing devil's advocate in the Amare v Bosh argument here.
I like both players and think they would both be a good fit here. Bosh is my number one choice for this team but I wouldn’t have a serious problem with the Bulls bringing in any of Bosh/Amare/Boozer. We still would need to add a shooter or two with those players as well though.
If LeBron is a realistic option then that goes without saying..
I just don’t happen to think that is realistic
Cmon cheese tits!
You cant talk like that! We all as Bulls fans should be on our best behavior you never know. We should say things like why would he not want to come here, or hes our missing piece beleive in the snowball effect.
He will be ours
LeBron will be a Bull. I think I forgot to mention this but im from the future.
by TRiCioNeRo on Apr 7, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd for being
from the futuer, do you have a hot tub time machine?
by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 8, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Whichever we can get.
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by Super-Structure on Apr 7, 2010 10:04 PM CDT reply actions
Bosh easy choice
He is a fighter and a team player and he is like 25 or something and he is a Free agent, Amare is using he’s player option and be a free agent the season after with less Big names he just cares about the money
I like Bosh too
I’d think he’d be a better fit in this team than Wade but his style of play might not do as well next to Rose and Deng. Bosh’s main offensive weapon is that midrange floater. There are any decent 3 point shooters in the Bulls roster, Deng’s work is mostly based on cuts and midrange shots and Rose needs the rim.
Highly doubt that creates enough space for both CB4 and Derrick to be effective… Although conceivably I can see that working better Rose/Wade (which I am also praying to the basketball gods for)…
Amare is a crybaby.
A crybaby who dunks on people, sure. Seems like every year I’m reading some dumbass quote from Amare while Bosh just gets his 24/10 and shuts his mouth. I’ll go for the latter any day.
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by Just got mugged by Pete Myers on Apr 8, 2010 10:34 AM CDT reply actions
Except, like a month ago, when Bosh was bad-mouthing his teammates. You know.
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he had every right to bad mouth his teammates. They just signed Hedo to a big contract
and he sucked it up.
That's not the point, is it.
He wasn’t debating whether he was in the right or wrong, rather just saying that he can open up and make controversial statements as well.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Yes Yes Yes
Amare might not play D in Phx, but their system doesnt call for it as much as ours does. Bulls mngt is gonna throw all the tools to make him better and with Noah helping him, it would mess well with Noah’s limited O game. Im not sold on Boah, sorry..but i’ll still take him nonetheless
his lack of D is not just the system. lou amundsen and robin lopez are much more active
defenders and they play in the same system. amare either doesnt care too much, doesnt know what to do, is worried about getting into foul trouble, or some mixture of the 3. i wouldnt expect amare to be any better anywhere else.
there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.
-MPG
gotta disagree withcha
I think he can play D..i mean, his shot blocking is still on point. Def wouldnt max him out with a contact tho
Amare's got an injury history like my grandmother
I can’t remember one season he completed without a major injury issue.
That and his defence is suspect, regardless of which system he’s in. It’s an effort thing for him as it’s very obvious that he takes some plays off or is just downright clueless on where he needs to be or do.
Offensively he’d be a dream but we aren’t gonna be making a lotta noise in the playoffs paying him the max for the next 5 years…
He's about to complete this season without any injury problems
E played all 82 games in 06-07, something bosh has never done.
Brad Miller is god.
If we do get him,
Let’s hope that this season would be the norm, not the exception…
I’m okay with either Amare or Bosh, I’d feel better with Bosh but either of them would be an upgrade in our 4 spot. You can never say no to upgrades.
+1 Amare Stoudemire
Assuming all things EQUAL with Amare’s and Bosh’s health, I would prefer Stoudemire. Bosh’s has more of a face-up jump shot type of game (with a lot of isolation), and he somehow gets to the line a ton. He gets his stats, but he plays on a sh*tty team that makes him shoulder the load. Stoudemire has a good jump shot, yet he has that edge, that attack the rim mentality, that someone his size SHOULD have. And Stoudemire gets his stats also, but on a very talented team, where he is not expected to shoulder the load. Stoudemire gets points on plays with Nash, but he’s also an OUTSTANDING back to the basket player – he puts the ball on the floor and not only has a variety of post moves, but he also has power moves where he just outmuscles defenders in the paint. When is the last time you saw a Bull who could do that?
As for defense, neither is stellar, but both have been known to pick up their defense in meaningful games. So it’s a wash.
Stoudemire has played very well with Lopez at the starting 5, so I have no concerns about how he fits next to Noah – they actually appear to compliment each other.
I think either of Bosh or Stoudemire makes this team better, but Stoudemire gets the edge from me for his ability to be a threat in the post. Bosh is comparable because of his ability to get to the line when his jump shot isn’t falling, but when a game is on the line, do you want Rose/Bosh both maneuvering at the top of the key handing off to each other?… or do you want Rose/Stoudemire playing an inside/out game?
"The people we lost, I'm sad we lost them because they helped us. But the organization saw something in these players. They're going to help us. They don't have any attitude problems. They just want to ball." - Derrick Rose
Considering we have Rose
A big who can shoot from outside is much more fitting than a guy who plays near the basket . Bosh would help spread the floor. But either would make me happy.
by JustAnotherFan on Apr 9, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
The more I think about it, Amare is a better fit offensively. He is more aggressive, gets to the hoop more than Bosh who prefers to face up and shoot. Amare is always going to be a lackluster defender so Bosh has the advantage there.
At this point, I would be just as pleased with Amare than I would be if we got Bosh.
Does Amare get to the hoop more than Bosh?
Per 70 possessions this year:
Amare – 6.6 inside attempts, 7.8 free throw attempts
Bosh – 5.9 inside attempts, 8.4 free throw attempts
Pretty close. How about percentage of scoring chances that are either inside shot or free throw attempts?
Amare: 52.9%
Bosh: 47.5%
Still close, Amare with a slight not in both measures. Their shot selection is actually very similar, I’m not sure why Bosh is seen as a euro-style big while Amare’s seen as a constant attacker. They’re both very good at both styles.
Based on defense, age, and injury history, I would still take Bosh
but I am firmly in the camp of liking Amare too. I feel the same way about liking the style of his game as you do. His TS% is so remarkable and we need efficient scoring in the worst. I also think that alongside Noah we could mask his defense a bit, as someone pointed out above it’s working with Robin Lopez.
Unfortunately I think it’s that same attitude (and it has had it’s locker-room drawbacks in the past in Phoenix) that will keep the Bulls from pursuing him. Do you see Reinsdorf giving a max deal to someone who arrogantly believes he deserves it?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 8, 2010 2:17 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
ever since i heard Amare say hes gettin more expensive by the game i didnt want him.
seems like he cares about money more than anything. Bosh seems like he wants to win, considering he just outted his teammates for not caring.
actually, it was owner robert sarver who said that
but this is how the typical negative shit gets it’s wings.
"Let's do some living... after we die"
I am warming to the idea of Amare now
After watching the Bulls go 7/11 in FTs against the Bucks a few days ago, I looked up the average FTs of all the FA power forwards this summer.
Bosh and STAT are very similar in averaging 8.4 and 7.7 FTs per game respectively.
Boozer and DLee, however, average 4.9 and 4.1 FTs per game respectively.
If the Bulls can get a PF to put the opposing team in foul trouble, it will make the other team’s defense more tentative. That, in turn, should also make DRose more effectively.
When I read that question I knew Hollinger would be somehow involved....
Bosh is the better player by far. Way more complete. I will be happy with Amare as it greatly improves the team but in the surreal event of we having the choice, pick Bosh.
bosh is the most realistic player we will be getting
Amare, Boozer, and Bosh are the players that the Bulls must go for. I can tell that Amare and Boozer are content with their current teams, but they’re bustin out bitchass attitude to up their value. Why would amare leave the suns when they are full of energy, fit his gameplay, and have Nash? I believe the Utah Jazz will do all it takes to keep Boozer no matter how much he wants to leave. Williams/Boozer are definitely the new school Stockton/Malone and draws nostalgia and crowds.
Bosh is tired of the raptors and his injury is probably long term, so it’ll be a good excuse for him to leave. I believe Raptors PR is saying he’s only out for the regular season, but I think he’s definitely gone for the whole season. It takes quite awhile to recover from a facial surgery… Bosh said he wanted a team where the franchise can build around him. the Bulls focus on Rose/Noah, but they haven’t reached the superstar level yet to have the Bulls organization treat them as true franchise players like Wade/Kobe/Jordan.
No matter how good rose is, the Bulls will NOT be championship contendors with him being the team’s “superstar” and go to man. I thought losing gordon wouldn’t be a huge factor, but look at how much our shooting % has dropped because of chuckin garbage pargo and hinrich. the bulls will definitely revolve around rose. they need to copy the lakers lineup to be like the 90s Bulls Fisher/Harper, Bryant/Jordan, Lamar&Artest/Pippen, Artest/Rodman, Lamar/Kukoc, Gasol&Bynum/Longley. Well, Phil Jackson is the Lakers coach, so that’s why there’s so much resemblence…
The Bulls have fulfilled the PG, somewhat SF, and C. Rose is an upcoming superstar, Deng is a major broke version of Pippen, and Noah is tall, rebounds, blocks(that’s all the C needs to do). Tyrus was a conservative Rodman. If we kept Tyrus and picked up Wade it would be Rose, Wade, Deng, Tyrus, Noah. Eh eh? Any resemblence to the 90s Bulls?
"The Bulls will definitely revolve around Rose"
He will definitely become the true franchise player… Actually ignore that comment in that paragraph
agreed. a dominant defender who almost never averaged a single block or steal per36? rare.
there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.
-MPG
To answer why Amare would leave the Suns... $$$
Reports are Phoenix is unwilling to pay him the max. Ditto for Utah and Boozer. Both teams are gonna have to worry about the luxury tax next year.
Brad Miller is god.
I think he would be a much better fit than Bosh, but I dont want him because of the 30 games he'll miss each year
Remember when the Hornets tried to pair up their star point guard with another all star (Peja) who fit in real well with their system? How many games has he played with them so far…4?
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
He's missed 30+ games in a season only once
And that was 6 years ago. He hasn’t missed one game all this year, and outside of the eye injury he had last year, he’s been as healthy as any player in the league since he came back from knee surgery (which was again 6 yeas ago). And if you think the eye thing matters, anybody’s gonna miss a bunch of games after having someone gouge your eye and detach your retina.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Apr 10, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
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