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Bulls clank their way to loss against Bogut-less (but Skiles-coached) Bucks

Pace Eff eFG FT/FG OREB% TOr
Milwaukee 86.0 91.9 40.9% 20.8 17.8 10.5
Chicago 86.0 45.3% 9.5 14.6 18.6


First of all, the good news: The Raptors lost to the Cavs Tuesday night, and worse yet (for them), Chris Bosh broke some bones in his face, and didn't take the plane back to Toronto. You'd have to think his status for their game tomorrow is doubtful.

[and good news for me: I got my cable and internet back. And I watched this game live so I was able to mute and sync with the radio call (first time I did so for an entire game, I'm usually a slave to DVR). I'm stunned how much more pleasant the experience was, even in a terrible game like this one. I'm convinced my entire season would've gone much better if I didn't have the subconscious (and sometimes more) thoughts wanting the Bulls to do bad so Neil and Stacy would shut the hell up. Swirsk and Wennington just call the freaking basketball game, and do so competently. Amazing.]

But this is only a playoff race if the Bulls take care of their own business, and being well-rested, at home, and with a Bucks team just learning how to play without their best player, the Bulls started hot but then only had 47 points in the final 3 quarters.

Even when the lead evaporated in the middle quarters I was sure the Bucks would have a scoring drought long enough for the Bulls to take the game back over. We all knew that despite what circumstances the Bucks were coming in with, they were not going to go down easy. Above all else this is a Scott Skiles team, and Skiles was one to not only never make excuses for injuries but he'd refuse to even acknowledge him. And Kurt Thomas is clearly a step down from Andrew Bogut, but he might as well have been Othella Harrington or Malik Allen or any other statue of a big man that Skiles has relied upon over the years in still having his teams play defense.

But it's not as much about the backup as it is about the backup's backup, and the Bulls clearly had an advantage seeing Kurt Thomas replaced by Dan Gadzuric, or the small-ball that Skiles likes, and I figured that while spirited in effort, they just would not have the weapons to keep up. However, any team can 'keep up' with a 74 point night, and the Bulls offense was awful.

The Bucks effectively limited Derrick Rose, and the secondary offensive options of Deng and Hinrich both had bad games. Hinrich started out the game relatively hot (3-5) and after his great game against Charlotte I thought maybe he had another one coming, but the good-game streak ended at one (I believe that's the season high?) and he then missed 10 out of his next 11 shots. Deng had a slightly better game statistically (16pts, 10rebs) but I found him forcing a lot of his own looks and being a ball-stopper. Including in the most crucial play of the game, down 4 with 13 seconds remaining, Deng's indecision took so much time off the clock that by the time Brad Miller traveled it already was a wasted possession.

And that possession (as well as the one after it, which had similar results: too much wasted time, Derrick Rose not touching the ball) capped yet another signature loss for Vinny Del Negro. The offensive flow looked terrible all night (and noticed after seeing the four factors box: the FT discrepancy, yikes), and I thought the 4th quarter minutes were strange: From 3:30 in the 3rd quarter to a minute left in the 4th, Noah only played 4:10. Brad Miller had some great plays tonight (including a drive and dunk which would bring 'turn back the clock' jokes if only Miller ever had done that) but he's a defensive liability that the Skiles knew how to exploit with his motion offense. Even worse was a 3-minute stretch in the fourth where neither Noah nor Gibson was in, with Miller being the lone big with Rose/Hinrich/Murray/Deng. Sort of nitpicking (it was a very tight rotation, and maybe Noah can't get much more than 30 minutes), but this was a huge game, and when it was obvious that the Bucks weren't going away, it was a very huge fourth quarter. Not having your best out there is the worst a coach can do.

It was also strange to see John Salmons scoring so well (26 pts on 19 shots) and Kirk Hinrich not guarding him. Granted, you'd think Deng would be a good matchup but Salmons was blowing by him frequently, and when Hinrich was on him he didn't do that much better. But isn't this the guy we keep because of his supposed superlative perimeter defense?

I really felt that this team was going to finish the season quite well. Even James Johnson returned and made a nice play, so it was literally everyone being healthy and contributing (ok, not you Jerome James). This would be the start of a late-season surge to the 8th spot, especially with Toronto losing today. It's not over yet and Bosh's injury may cause him to miss a few games, but we saw tonight that sometimes the healthy team isn't always the best prepared to win.

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Just remember,

he knows how to move the ball on offense, the org felt Salmons 20 jab steps and drive to the basket wasn’t good enough, lol

by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 7, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah it was clear last night we traded the worng Bull.

GarPax should have dumped Kirk’s ass and kept Salmons. I always knw Johnny would snap out of his slump and it has come back to bite us in rectum. Screw it imma sleep till 2010 this season does not matter.

Wade 2010!!!!!

by illwill on Apr 7, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

im assuming many of his misses were of the sufficiently uncontested variety?

there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.

-MPG

by TheMoon on Apr 6, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

many of his shots

were guided by the parting of the red sea.

"The people we lost, I'm sad we lost them because they helped us. But the organization saw something in these players. They're going to help us. They don't have any attitude problems. They just want to ball." - Derrick Rose

by leeac on Apr 6, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

You mean wide freaking open?

Yes. You do one thing. You sit in a gym and you practice shooting all day and get played over 10 million dollars. It wasn’t like one big shot he missed it was just every shot that really needed to go in he missed every time he shit it. After the game he looked like he has always looked. I’m rich, you’re not and I don’t fucking shave because I don’t give a damn about anything really. My ears are insanely huge.

Luol Deng 24 going on 54.

by SoulEater7 on Apr 6, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Seriously

have derrick rose guard u the whole time so he can simultaneously work on his defense or something…and its not like HE NEVER had the ability to hit those shots, so its not like he needs to relearn how to shoot…damn it if he stays on this team he better sign something where he promises to go through the gilbert arenas of 100,000 shots in a month or whatever it was he did…cuz thats hinrichs role on offense on this team, sit in a quarter and hit 3s….gahhh im so mad at his play its disheartening

I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!

by piccolomair on Apr 6, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe

klunk DOES need to relearn how to shoot. sometimes slumping shooters have people analyze their mechanics to see what is going wrong. perhaps kirk’s mechanics needs some fine tuning. you would think the bulls coaching staff could help him out, but perhaps that’s asking a bit too much.

"The people we lost, I'm sad we lost them because they helped us. But the organization saw something in these players. They're going to help us. They don't have any attitude problems. They just want to ball." - Derrick Rose

by leeac on Apr 7, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kirk

Has gotten to that stage where nothing can be changed or fixed. I wonder how much he will get when his contract ends

by rick_ross on Apr 7, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

does such a stage exist

basketball players usually get worse due to the physical limitations, they start missing shots because they cant get the lift or seperation they once could, there forms usually get better. Hinrich has had injuries to his arm, and i often wonder if that could be the problem (he cant shoot right using his regular form) so maybe a shooting coach is neccessary….i dont know, but i dont want to keep defending him, if he is traded in this offseason i wont be as down as i wouldve been this deadline…

I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!

by piccolomair on Apr 7, 2010 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

VDN cost us this game

We got outcoached. A good coach implements an offensive gameplan that hides your players’ weaknesses. We did the exact opposite. I’m sick and tired of stuff like Deng taking jumpers literally standing on the 3-pt line. And that has nothing to do with in-game decision making. A good coach makes sure that, in practice, a player like Deng puts himself in position to take the much higher-percentage 3-pt shot every time so that when he does it during games.

That final possession with 13 seconds left was a microcosm of the entire game. Down 3 with 13 seconds left, we should obviously have had our best 3-pt shooting line in the game. If there was ever a time to put in Pargo, that was it. While his 3-pt % is down this year, his career 3-pt % is 34.9, significantly higher than Flip Murray’s at 30.6. And like it or not, Hinrich’s our best 3-pt shooter by far. How we didn’t have him coming off some type screen is beyond me.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Apr 6, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

VDN +

Kirk + Deng(I love Loul Deng, in my Barkley voice), but I have to get on him, bad nights from all 3

by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 7, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hinrich ( glue guy )

44 Minutes, FG: 4-16 ( 25 % ), 3PFG 1-6 ( 16% ), 2 rebounds , 0 assists …..An NBA starter?

by rick_ross on Apr 6, 2010 11:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Yer

his so inconsisted

by rick_ross on Apr 6, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

jamaica

what teams would you suggest want captain klunk this offseason?

"The people we lost, I'm sad we lost them because they helped us. But the organization saw something in these players. They're going to help us. They don't have any attitude problems. They just want to ball." - Derrick Rose

by leeac on Apr 6, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Deng's shot selection is awful

He takes way too many 21-22 footers. While many shooters camp out behind the 3 line, Deng camps out JUST INSIDE the line. Is there a worse shot in basketball?!

by Stay Chisel on Apr 6, 2010 11:10 PM CDT reply actions  

The whole team

Takes those shots…must be a coaching problem

by rick_ross on Apr 6, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

noooooo

I hate VDN but don’t blame him for Deng’s low basketball IQ.

Luol Deng 24 going on 54.

by SoulEater7 on Apr 6, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

what exactly is

your justification for Deng having a low basketball IQ?

"The people we lost, I'm sad we lost them because they helped us. But the organization saw something in these players. They're going to help us. They don't have any attitude problems. They just want to ball." - Derrick Rose

by leeac on Apr 6, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's about as high as yours.

Hows that sound?

Luol Deng 24 going on 54.

by SoulEater7 on Apr 6, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

well, it sounds like a typical very well thought out Souleater7 response to me...

"The people we lost, I'm sad we lost them because they helped us. But the organization saw something in these players. They're going to help us. They don't have any attitude problems. They just want to ball." - Derrick Rose

by leeac on Apr 6, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

its "consisted."

there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.

-MPG

by TheMoon on Apr 7, 2010 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL MY BAD

But just to make sure you better double check with jamaica

by rick_ross on Apr 7, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

It’s consistent. If you’re gonna correct somebody, you should probably be right yourself.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Apr 7, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh yeah... well if youre going to ruin a joke you should probably know....

oh wait… nevermind… not realizing its a joke is a really good way to ruin it.

there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.

-MPG

by TheMoon on Apr 7, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm just pissed

Some people express their anger by bashing Kirk. I guess I do it by correcting spelling.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Apr 7, 2010 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

People are angry

because we continue to start a “Shooting” guard that can’t shoot

by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 7, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

i rec'd it for surliness.

there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.

-MPG

by TheMoon on Apr 7, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

and there you have it

Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

by bigballa10 on Apr 7, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

You ever wonder if those nagging injuries to Kurt and Lu have anything to do with their performance

I don’t necessarily think they do, but could very well be a factor

If the Bulls don’t make the playoffs I won’t need to watch basketball, its on to basketball.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 2, 2010 12:38 PM PDT

by Option27 on Apr 6, 2010 11:12 PM CDT reply actions  

they've been playing a lot all season

no doubt. the problems with skimping on the bench.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 6, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

and where was Sports2's guy Hakim Warrick?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 6, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yer

Deng is so consisted

by rick_ross on Apr 6, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Flag Jaimaca

For missing clear sarcasm and consistedly misspelling

by rick_ross on Apr 6, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Flag the thread

for consisting of too much sarcasm.

"The people we lost, I'm sad we lost them because they helped us. But the organization saw something in these players. They're going to help us. They don't have any attitude problems. They just want to ball." - Derrick Rose

by leeac on Apr 6, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Salmons trade was a bad idea by the Bulls. Warrick and Alexander? Wow we sure made the Bucks look good. We gave them their playoff berth this year. And we will probably fail on free agency this summer. Time to break out those old 90’s Bulls cassette tape recordings again.

by Tucson_AZ_Bulls_Fan on Apr 6, 2010 11:19 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the issue was

Salmons started listening to Vinny too much this year when he was at the bulls and started to suck. Now his being coached by a real NBA coach and playing well again…

by rick_ross on Apr 6, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

90s?

Im gonna be watching the 2004-2006 games, when u watched this team and enjoyed their passion for the game….despite not having any sort of superstar

I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!

by piccolomair on Apr 6, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Management must rebound

Management must bring in the right players to play with rose next year, since they traded salmons for cap space.

by Jermal on Apr 6, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think 75% of BaB

rejoiced when Salmons was traded. Each game thread was filled with expletives whenever Salmons (gulp) drove to the basket or took a shot. The consensus at the time was that getting rid of his player option was worth losing his his production (which was coming around at the time). Kirk was ‘supposed’ to step up his scoring, and Flip Murray was supposed to come in and replace his production. I’m sure most would have preferred we trade Hinrich’s guaranteed (and higher) contract, but we can’t backtrack now on the ‘plan’ to clear capspace. Not getting rid of Hinrich OR Salmons would have been a larger failure to most. Getting rid of Salmons is part of a larger plan, and the result of which we will not know until this summer.

"The people we lost, I'm sad we lost them because they helped us. But the organization saw something in these players. They're going to help us. They don't have any attitude problems. They just want to ball." - Derrick Rose

by leeac on Apr 6, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

In all fairness he played like dog ass for the first few month and picked up his play before the trade deadline.

It was the right move for the Bulls. We knew this could happen. I thought it would be Tyrus who would stick it to the Bulls but it was Johnny Fish. It’s been brought up a lot that Fish has been playing great for the Bucks. But this season doesn’t matter. If it did they’d be the 3rd seed with BG, Tyrus and Fish.

Luol Deng 24 going on 54.

by SoulEater7 on Apr 7, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

completely agree

though if it’s true hinrich could’ve been had for expirings…

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 7, 2010 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

While this is true, there are some other things to consider

1. Salmons has opened our eyes a bit to just how terribly the Bulls are coached. Not that we were completely ignorant before, but it’s revealing to see that our former players look noticeably better on their new teams and our new players looked noticeably better on their old teams.

2. I completely agree that we had to seal the deal on cap space.

by Sports2 on Apr 7, 2010 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't find this true at all

First of all, Warricks numbers with the Bulls are almost identical to his numbers when he was with the Bucks this season. Flip’s numbers are actually better across the board since joining the Bulls. So by your rational, maybe Vinny’s a better coach than Larry Brown since he coached Flip into playing better. I don’t agree with this assessment, just pointing out the ignorance of the claim.

(BTW, Tyrus’ numbers are pretty much similar in Charlotte as they were with the Bulls. They seem to be a bit better on the Bulls, but not that much. Interestingly he is playing less minutes in Charlotte…)

Which brings me to Salmons. It is true that he has been playing great since joining the Bucks. But he was also playing pretty good with the Bulls before the trade. He just had a horrible start to the season. There is no reason to believe that Salmons wouldn’t have had the same horrible start to the season under the coaching of Skiles if he had been with the Bucks all along.

by berzerkulous on Apr 7, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was not apart of that 75%,

I wanted Hinrich gone, I loved Boston’s package for him.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 7, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

oh so rec'd. dump kirk keep john since hes opting out anyways and is not useless.

there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.

-MPG

by TheMoon on Apr 7, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're

gonna be sleep for a long time, I’ll wake you in time for Hinrich’s jersey retirement and statue presentation.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 7, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

with all the talk about "hope"

you posted early in the season I thought you would have waited until they missed the playoffs to throw in the towel.

don't let the bed bugs bite

by Rex Grossman on Apr 7, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kurt must be bad to make piccolomair give up on him!

That guy wearing number 12 sucks ass

We miss you, Tyrus Thomas and Ben Gordon!

by Granny Waiters on Apr 7, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

he no longer is doing the little things

and isnt even trying to do the big things (like game winning) his defense seems consistant but it seems for every good thing he does on defense, he either does something equally (or greater) bad on the offensive end, or when things dont work out lets his emotions get the best of him. What bothers me the most is his shot, sense coming into the season he shouldve known that his offensive role on this team was going to be 3pt shooting, and it looks like he hasnt practiced shooting in years…if its some injury he should make it public to save face, having 4-16 shooting on one of the biggest games of the season? playing with no heart? I mean whatever is up just come out and say it. Instead he seems to have a good game, go home. Have a bad game, go home, like no feeling or love for the game…

I imagine hinrich to have the same kind of mindset as me in terms of playing basketball, but i cant imagine myself letting myself have such horrid games and not working on my game. Hinrichs the guy who unbeknownst to him, got me into working on my game and relearning the fundementals and practicing the little things, so to watch a guy who isnt doing what made him an awesome player in my eyes, well then its not the same game…its like finding out shaft was an actor!!!

I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!

by piccolomair on Apr 7, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

i had something come up so that i couldnt possibly watch the game, and this made me so happy

that my girlfriend supposed the game had been a very early one and that the bulls had won. sometimes you just know.

there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.

-MPG

by TheMoon on Apr 6, 2010 11:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Does anyone else think Brad Miller has worn out his welcome here? He is absolutely horrible lately. Slow, clumsy, expects a foul called on him when he does his out of control drives, failed 3 point shots, lack of defense, etc etc etc…where the hell was Noah at the end of the game???

by Tucson_AZ_Bulls_Fan on Apr 6, 2010 11:22 PM CDT reply actions  

We didn't lose this game because of Brad Miller

and on a checklist of problems for the Bulls going forward, he doesn’t even deserve mention

If you're reading this signature, there's a good chance you don't like Vinny Del Negro.

by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 6, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

We were down by 3 with 13 seconds left.

That’s why Noah was on the bench. He was in the game up until that point.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Apr 6, 2010 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually

VDN waits until one of Miller or Noah starts playing well, after which time, he calls a timeout and inserts the other player.

"The people we lost, I'm sad we lost them because they helped us. But the organization saw something in these players. They're going to help us. They don't have any attitude problems. They just want to ball." - Derrick Rose

by leeac on Apr 6, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was wondering during that time, who was going to take the 3 pointer

The bulls have no real 3 point shooter or shooters on the team and it’s sad becasue they were going to probably have miller, our center, shoot the ball. Is he really the team best 3 point shooter on the team? If so, that’s sad.

by Jermal on Apr 6, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

and the funny thing is

he usually IS fouled, and doesn’t get the calls.

"The people we lost, I'm sad we lost them because they helped us. But the organization saw something in these players. They're going to help us. They don't have any attitude problems. They just want to ball." - Derrick Rose

by leeac on Apr 7, 2010 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

My only issue with this comment is

the word LATELY. I felt this way about him sense last year.

by Dils on Apr 7, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think I'm gonna have to start employing that listen to the radio during the game thing

I just can’t stand funk, he is the most clueless dipshit I’ve ever heard in my life. If you heard him during the game you’d think we were watching a preseason game. He is just so miserable.

As for the game, Rose sucked, but I guess he deserves a pass, and considering his performance in the playoffs last year, it’s unfair to say he can’t play in big games, would’ve been nice to see him out there tonight though. But this loss clearly goes to the asshole coach and the asshole shooting guard, nothing else needs to be said about them really, they both suck ass.

If you're reading this signature, there's a good chance you don't like Vinny Del Negro.

by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 6, 2010 11:26 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Why do you disparage assholes?

We miss you, Tyrus Thomas and Ben Gordon!

by Granny Waiters on Apr 7, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahhh......

The Bulls could care less what we think!!! They’re making money and that’s all that matters. They’ve assembled this roster on the thrifty, and now they’re talking about making a run at some big name this summer……… Fuck that!!!! It’s time to win now, not next year. This is a clear sign that they are going to sucker us again and VDN might still be here after all of this shit hits the fan!!!!

by Shauns219 on Apr 6, 2010 11:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Hmmm....

How so???? What contracts do they have that’s eating up the cap space? Deng and Hinrich are overpaid, but that doesn’t equate to being over the salary cap.

by Shauns219 on Apr 7, 2010 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're an idiot.

Here

The Bulls are paying out $69.9 million in player salaries.

And here

The salary cap is at $57.7 million this year. $69.9>57.7.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Apr 7, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, not sure it's worth it with some here

the new guys are too comment-y

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 7, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

If we are to be fair......

Please make sure you enforce your rules on everyone…..

by Shauns219 on Apr 7, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rules?

What rules? The only one is don’t piss off yfbb and your not doing well there.

If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.

by Chi 'Till I Die on Apr 7, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

right, it's the golden rule

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 7, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

If VDN is still here next year, and we can't get Bosh/Wade/LeBron.

What happens then?

"I don't want a massage, I want a facial!"
- Stacy King

by windycitywarrior on Apr 6, 2010 11:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Won't happen

I don’t think wade or lebron is coming and bosh won’t come unless they have a real coach or a better one with more experience.

by Jermal on Apr 6, 2010 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

wade/lebron will prolly stay put. Joe Johnson or Bosh is the most likely to move.

I think we can easily land either one but theyll prolly be pissed half way thru the season when they get annoyed at our retard of a coach.

all these analysts keep sayin vinny is already fired and that this offseason he’ll be gone, which makes me wonder wtf hes still coachin this team for. Unless JR is gonna demote him to a scout i dont see what benefit there is for the team to keep him and for him to wanna stay

by krypto22 on Apr 6, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Somebody knew all the Bulls plays.

Somebody didn’t tell VDN all the Bucks plays or everyone is just dumb.

Luol Deng 24 going on 54.

by SoulEater7 on Apr 6, 2010 11:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I doubt Warrick and Alexander

knew all of Skiles plays.

Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

by bigballa10 on Apr 7, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

On the other hand, Salmons knew every play of Vinny

since Vinny doesn’t have much: two or three… maybe less.

Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0

by bull83 on Apr 7, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh and tell ya what, Skiles sure knew something about Luol Deng that many other NBA teams don't.

Put Deng on a island and the Bulls are fucked! Thats a real coach. That bastard gets it. I just loved what he did to the Bulls! Just out smarted them. WITH A BUNCH OF SCRUBS!!! Luol Deng falling asleep at the top of the key lets Salmons trot all the way down the lane uncontested. Priceless and I commend Scott Skiles for being a real coach!

Luol Deng 24 going on 54.

by SoulEater7 on Apr 6, 2010 11:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Because......

They are stupid!!!! Each year they started out slow, only to pick up steam and make the playoffs. Also, they were competitive!!!!

by Shauns219 on Apr 7, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

He had a bunch of babies for players.

They tuned him out and he let the front office know he couldn’t get much out of his current roster, so they let him go and gave Boylan the keys to the car for the rest of the season. And it’s been downhill since then.

Skiles is hell of a coach. A man’s coach. He pulls no punches and plays no favorites. He does more good things in one game than Vinny has done in damn near two seasons. Vinny sucks at his job, there’s not much more to it.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.

by dakoose on Apr 7, 2010 2:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yup

Skiles is one of the best coaches in the league but can burn guys out after a few years. I contend that Skiles would be an amazing college basketball coach.

by Niwrad on Apr 7, 2010 2:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Except he'd be a bad recruiter

Who’d sign up for 4 years of Scott Skiles?

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Apr 7, 2010 3:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

He would be more like Bobby Knight

He didn’t get big recruits for the most part, but everybody bought in and he coached his teams up. Very rarely did he have NBA talent on his teams. I could see Skiles doing the same thing.

Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

by bigballa10 on Apr 7, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

The same people who sign up for 4 (more like 2) years of any douchebag, egotistical, holier than thou college coach?

And, half the elite recruiters are terrible coaches, which is why most of the talented teams end up flaming out.

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 7, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree that there might have been a turnaround if they had shipped Wallace's ass out post haste

(Of course, I was arguing to trade him while we still could midway through his first season. I wasn’t much of a fan even from the beginning).

by Sports2 on Apr 7, 2010 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

True, but as the case when anyone leaves this team Skiles is painted as a flawless guy.

Coaches lose control of their teams all the time, and his whole philosophy is pretty much based on “try harder.” That is going to give you a short lifespan.

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 7, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

After 2 years of Vinny

it’s hard for Skiles not to look flawless, at least coaching-wise.

Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

by bigballa10 on Apr 7, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Would be cool if Bosh being out means we make the playoffs and they dont

And he can watch his new team compete against the cavs. Hope we can steal one. Doubtful though, given our health.

by iBurkey on Apr 7, 2010 12:07 AM CDT reply actions  

hey its almost over

then we can look forward to a much better season

by iBurkey on Apr 7, 2010 12:15 AM CDT reply actions  

We'll see.....

Look what happened in 1999/2000 to 2003/2004. We’ll see if the Bulls are going in the right direction.

by Shauns219 on Apr 7, 2010 1:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Bad Loss

Didn’t see us losing to the Bucks without Bogut. Maybe it’s best if we don’t make the playoffs.

Not sure how all the blame goes to Kirk either. I know Derrick had a lot of assists, but he really needed to score more tonight against a team that doesn’t handle guards like him well. He needed to take that game over and didn’t.

by Niwrad on Apr 7, 2010 3:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Skiles had a good plan,

Rose mad smart plays, but other guys have to step up and make shots, too, its not good when Noah is knocking down 4th quarter jumpers and Craptain and Deng aren’t

by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 7, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why does every play have to begin with Derrick bringing up the ball passing it to Brad and then just cold chillin in the corner? Ball should be in AF1’s hands at almost all times.

by C Smoove on Apr 7, 2010 10:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Miller Thomas 1st Pick

for Amare.

Hold me.

12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)

by NBA Observer on Apr 7, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Today Pac says:

“My only friend is my misery”

by Belize on Apr 7, 2010 11:31 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

And that's the way...

…the cookie crumbles for the Bulls playoff hopes! But my only question is this: WTH was Brad Miller doing with ball during that last possesion!? If our season is over, and it’s looking like so- D-Rose NEEDS to work on getting that jumpshot DOWN. His dribble-drive skills are superb, but the jumper is LACKING. Here’s another situation that was tailor-made for him to dominate at the end of a close game, and because he has no confidence in his shot, he looks to pass first before looking for his shot. Anyway, close game- Salmons killed us (WHY did we get rid of him again?), and our potential playoff chances.

J.I.

by Jeye15 The Legend on Apr 7, 2010 1:07 PM CDT reply actions  

He has been hitting his

shot this season, but even the greats have a bad game, the problem is we don’t have a Gasol, Jamison, Ginobli, Jamal Crawford to pick up the scoring load when our best player is struggling or forced to make the right basketball play and pass to the open man, for the Love of Bill Walton, somebody make a shot PLEASE!!!

by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 7, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

as usual, i got here late and missed most of the post game fun

my lone request— can we get a VDN firing pool going? i’ve got april 21st; should give us plenty of time for that wonderful coach search “process” (find the cheapest recognizable name available).

http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com

by Calogero on Apr 7, 2010 1:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I am holding out hope for the playoffs

So I will take Cinco de Mayo.

Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.

by Dionysus2.0 on Apr 7, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll go

May 6, the Bulls make the playoffs

by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 7, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm reading these raptors fans' comments on the raptors website.

and none of them think bosh is staying in toronto next year. its kinda sad really

….but true.

by Revlution4ever on Apr 7, 2010 6:51 PM CDT reply actions  

new thread for Raps game

http://www.blogabull.com/2010/4/7/1410292/raptors-celtics-2nd-half-thread

USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 7, 2010 7:20 PM CDT reply actions  

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