Wade not a shoo-in to return to Miami (UPDATED)
[Update by your friendly BullsBlogger, 04/29/10 12:14 PM CDT: From Wade himself: "My heart is here and anybody who knows me, I'm mostly heart more so than anything. My heart is in Miami. If everything works out, I will be in Miami." So that's not good. (ht: PBT)]
We are entering anything can happen free agency season. I remember when Baron Davis decided to go the LA Clippers to join Elton Brand. Well before the dust settled Elton was in Philly. The Miami Herald is reporting that the Bulls still have a shot at Wade. Our lucky 1.7% Rose gift impacts Wade I believe more than our coach chaos.
The biggest threat, it would appear, to snagging Wade away from the Heat is his hometown team, the Chicago Bulls.
Reason being, they have a superstar in place to play beside him and a supporting cast already better than the Heat figures it can afford to put around him in Miami next year. The most aggravating part about that if you're a Heat fan is just how close the Heat was to having Derrick Rose and Wade as teammates in Miami.
Rather than benefiting from a miserable 15-win season by getting the top pick and Rose in 2008, the franchise's awful luck landed it the second pick. Had those ping-pong balls bounced Miami's way, not only would this gut-wrenching summer be a non-issue (Wade would never leave if Rose were his backcourt mate) but this season probably wouldn't be close to over.
Instead, the Heat has Beasley and a ton of questions.
WE'D RATHER FORGET
Wade has done his best to settle some of those concerns about his possible exit, telling people his heart is in Miami, a thought he reiterated after Tuesday's loss.
But he also said, ``I can't predict the future'' and ``I don't take losing well,'' and ``there is no pressure on me.''
Perhaps his most telling statement was when he boldly proclaimed, ``This will be my last first-round exit for a while.''
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To me, this Wade thing is simple
KC and others keep repeating that the Bulls goal is to get two of the free agents. If this is true and the Bulls are willing to spend, that could be huge. The key for all of free agency (IMO) for he Bulls will be Amare Stoudemire. He needs to re-sign with the Suns. For this reason, if Amare doesn’t re-sign, most every report has him going to Miami. And is this really a surprise to anyone? Just take a look at the guy, he has South Beach written all over him. Obviously getting Amare would pretty much seal the deal for Wade going back to the Heat. Sooo, that means Amare effectively would take two of the best free agents off the block, himself and Wade.
Now, let’s say he does re-sign. Most people would think this would just limit our options and create even less opportunity for the Bulls, I disagree. After Amare is out of reach for the Heat, they’re gonna be frantic looking for someone to appease their superstar, but who will that be? Chris Bosh? Seems determined to get a sign and trade. Carlos Boozer? Possibly, but he’s a sign and trade candidate also. Plus does Wade think Boozer will be enough? Maybe. And he could be the one guy to screw us over. Lebron? Uhhh, he ain’t going to Miami to play with Wade, period.
So, here is what the Bulls must do: Sign and trade for a power forward as soon as possible (I know it’s a lot harder than I just made it sound). Bosh, Boozer, whichever one comes first (hopefully Bosh). Utah has had interest in Deng before, this could work. The FA crop will then be limited to one of the two remaining with Miami maybe not even having a chance to get one. Once Wade sees that we have assembled a team that has a core of Rose/Noah/Bosh or Boozer I just can’t see him passing that up. In his hometown, plus no other team can offer him that type of core to play with. D Wade signs and we’re money.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 28, 2010 9:32 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The Heat, nor the Bulls, don't have to send anything of value or matching contracts back in a S/T
While Bosh wants a S/T to get his money, he’s not going to be encouraging Toronto to take the best package for them. He’s going to tell them where he wants to go and to work something out. The Heat actually should have an easier time putting something of value in a S/T since they’ve made it clear they don’t want nor need to keep Beasley. The Bulls don’t have anything that valuable yet expendable on their roster.
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Depends how much Toronto values Beasley
Bulls could put together something similar involving Gibson and others. Whoe the hell knows what’s gonna happen, it’s going to be a very wacky summer. All I was basically trying to say was that the Bears can capitalize on certain free agents re-signing with their teams
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 28, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
DA BEARS
Practice beats talent when talent doesn't practice.
by iamsasquatch on Apr 28, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good pickup regarding the consequences of Amare resigning with Phoenix - rec
Good point regarding the possible consequences of Amare resigning with the Suns and being out of reach to the Heat. If Wade sees the free agents dry up we would have a shot at him. The first few weeks of July are going to be intense, interesting and I bet unpredictable.
This is another point.. if Bosh signs with NY
And Amare resigns with the Suns.. do the Bulls take Boozer not just b/c he’s better than Taj, but to screw over the Heat?
Leaving the Heat with no big men to add to Wade’s team, leading Wade to demand a S&T to the Bulls. So many possibilities, will be great to watch this play out.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on Apr 28, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Good point.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Apr 28, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Would the Heat then go
go after David Lee or Rudy Gay?
by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 28, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
They'd have to
or negotiate some S&T with Atlanta for Joe Johnson…
THAT would be interesting. I doubt ATL ponies up the caysh though.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Apr 28, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Does David Lee, Gay or Joe Johnson
Keep Wade around?
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on Apr 28, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I would just like the headline...
Getting Gay Convinces Wade To Stay In Miami
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Apr 28, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
I don't know if
that convinces him that much, but if that keeps him around, then he really must love Miami
by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 28, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
you don't have to announce the rec :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
rec!
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by Max_in_Missouri on Apr 30, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
No fair
I once get yelled at for making fun of a Rudy Gay – Kevin Love combo. Something about the Grizzlies being fueled by Gay Love
by TRiCioNeRo on Apr 29, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
In hindsight, it would probably be better if it was something along the lines of
Wade Stays In South Beach After Getting Gay
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Apr 29, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
but now the joke's old
:’(
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Apr 29, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Is Beasley really any better than Deng?
the numbers don’t suggest it…
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Apr 28, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
DENG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Beasley
by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 28, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Beasley
by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 28, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep.. even the biggest Deng haters would agree with that
And something to remember, while it’s arguable if Deng is worth his contract, he’s the type of guy other people want to play with. He’s unselfish, plays defense, rebounds well, can hit the mid-range jumper, and by all accounts is a solid teammate. These are the things that you want in a teammate if you are a star PF or SG.
Chris Bosh doesn’t care what Deng’s salary is, all Bosh cares is that Deng can reliably hit a 15 foot jump shot, so his man won’t be able to leave Deng open and double team Bosh.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on Apr 28, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Deng > Beasley, no doubt..
Deng is overpaid and not getting better…. he’s not massively overpaid, but I don’t think his ceiling is getting any higher. Beasley doesn’t look like much now, but there is still another couple years on his rookie contract and he may well improve…..he pretty much has to. In a win-now situation, you’ve got to like Deng though.
On a funny note, does anybody remember Beasley’s comments shortly after he was drafted? He said that his goal was not only to be ROY, but also MVP last season….ha!
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by Max_in_Missouri on Apr 30, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe but that's a guy I wouldn't bet on
Beasley problem is not his games. It’s his mind set. I think he will be a major bust.
by JustAnotherFan on Apr 30, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
hah!
awesome
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Right now Beasley is worse than Taj!!!
Beasley sucked bad on the playoffs!
And Miami shouldn’t be crying for not getting Rose. They should be crying for not getting Westbrook, which they could have!
Also, I don’t believe Wade wants Bosh. He likes being the king of miami. Bosh is too much.
And the article says something interesting: most FA Miami can sign won’t make them better than the Bulls.
by JustAnotherFan on Apr 28, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Beaslys potential is sky high
but so was tyrus’
How?
How do the Bulls not have anything of value to send? Deng is a young player at a near all star level.
And he plays the same position as the top potential free agent.
Think about it, what if Lebron says to Cleveland that he is leaving, but wants a max contract. Where else could he get a sign and trade to? We could send Deng and Kirk for him, salaries would be similar and give them a young good 3 and an experienced 1, and still get Wade or Bosh or even David Lee.
Sure, it’s an absolute best case scenario. But we could have a starting five next year of Noah Bosh James Rose and some lesser SG that can hit a few open 3s. Or Noah Taj James Wade and Rose.
Why do we have to shoot for second or third best scenarios? The Bulls should be able to pull this off.
by it's-me-nobody on Apr 29, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
If Lebron says to Cleveland
that he wants out, they are officially done-with and in massive rebuild mode. They would never in a million years want Hinrich and Deng’s contracts in return. Also, salaries matching is not necessary for S&T’s.
Talent isn't
really necessary, look at the history of S&T deals
by QUINTEN DALEY on May 3, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Why wouldn't they want Deng?
He’s young and good. If you are rebuilding, a team player like Deng is a solid piece to start with.
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by Grinder in Training on May 3, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
2 possible reasons
1) Cheapness.
2) They might prefer to have a trade exception which might allow them to go after someone better than Deng.
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by Poloplaya14 on May 3, 2010 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right on
Stoudemire resigning with the Suns would be HUGE for the Bulls because as you said people think it will limit our options but it wont at all. The Heat need someone and if they don’t get lebron the only person that Wade would stay for is Bosh. They probably need a sign and trade for Bosh and they have NO good pieces. Bulls meanwhile can get Wade and still do a sign and trade for a good PF, maybe a David Lee type. Even if the Heat get Stoudemire is he better than Rose/Noah, I mean he has bad injury history and gets disinterested fast. Plus him and Beasley may tear up South Beach together and not play games due to a insane hangover
by Chicagofan23 on Apr 29, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
most of this is wishful thinking
and misinformation.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 30, 2010 4:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Our three point shooting will be even worse if we sign wade.
Not that I will cry if we get Wade, but something to think about.
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by Chi 'Till I Die on Apr 28, 2010 10:18 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
More.
Chris Sheridan (hasn’t proven to know much about anything, but still) interpolates otherwise.
But Wade has also made it clear that his preference is to remain with the Heat, who currently expect to have about $24 million in cap room (and could have more if they can clear Michael Beasley, James Jones and Daequan Cook from their cap, a possibility I alluded to in Monday’s chat in suggesting Minnesota or New Jersey — apologies for omitting Sacramento — as teams with cap space who may find it advantageous to use their room to acquire talent from Miami in what would be a lopsided trade, salary-wise.)
Beasley, it should be pointed out, was benched for the entire second half of Game 5.
"I’m looking forward to a good team to build, and being with some great players next year, and to continue to beef up our roster," Wade said.
Notice his use of the pronoun "our."
And also note that at no point did Wade ever expressly state a desire to head elsewhere. But he did place the onus on Pat Riley to make things happen over the summer.
Emphasis mine, as that shocked me. Interesting the difference in 2010 plan dedication if Riley’s willing to throw away a 2nd overall pick and the Bulls couldn’t even deal Kirk Hinrich for expirings because it wasn’t enough value. Wait, we did also throw away a 2nd overall pick.
I wonder if we should pursue Beasley? nah.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2010 10:29 AM CDT reply actions
The name of the column is: "Wade sounds as though he'll stay in Miami"
I just read through it, and all of the Wade quotes that Sheridan chose to include for the basis of his argument, and he is really reaching on this one. How did he come to the conclusion that Wade is likely to stay based on anything he said here? If anything it sounds the opposite, and more like a threat that shit needs to get done, or else.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 28, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
oh, he's definitely stretching
I wonder if they write the headlines.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Why not pursue him if the price was right?
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by Super-Structure on Apr 28, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Because the price wouldn't be right
At this point I wouldn’t take him for free. For $4.9 mil (Beasley’s salary next year) we could get a better player via free agency than Beasley.
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Well Wade wants to win, i dont blame him. i just hope bosh doesnt choose go down to miami, then again he said he didnt want to play with wade.
by summeralicia20111 on Apr 28, 2010 10:50 AM CDT reply actions
I WANT WADE...
ILL take Joe Johnson…ILL TAKE anyone good 2*…just please no more pargo, Kirk staring @ 2…no more please..no more
*Granted : Flip was nice yesterday..ill take him as a backup or a back up
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by Belize on Apr 28, 2010 11:32 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Ray would be an excellent fit.
I hope he won’t cost all that much, but he won’t come too cheaply, either. He’s still the last guy in the league I’d want shooting a big three pointer. Every time he shoots and open three it’s damn near certain to go in. Imagine how much better both he and Derrick will make each other.
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i'd much rather
try to get a star 4 and trade for a decent 3pt shooter than get a star 2 and then try to upgrade the 4 spot through trade.
that being said, obv if wade will come to the bulls, take him, but other than that, taj shouldn’t be seen as a viable long term option as a starter and we neeeeeed to get a big man. of course, if lebron would come to the bulls, just start him and deng together.
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by Jaina on Apr 28, 2010 11:43 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Until this year
Its been our knack we dont have an inside scorer. That was the debate to get Beasley over Rose, id also say that why we should target a 4 first but not just any 4 but Bosh hes clearly gone noone wants to play in Toronto with that team with their future but they are also the most like to take a sign and trade for a Deng or Hinrich at the same time Deng and Hinrich do (try) to fill positions on our team. If we sign 2 max free agents are willing down the road to pay 70 mil for Rose + Noah + 2Max or near. If we sign and trade Bosh overpayin a front-loaded contract for a guy like Morrow might be key to keeping Rose and Noah
The new CBA could be key,
they are talking about player salaries could be slashed, I don’t think they’ll be slashed all that much.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 29, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
It is pretty ridiculous
The salary cap number and the max contract. No reason why a guy could make 33 percent of the cap space.
Why not?
In the NBA, a player like LeBron could be worth a 3rd of the teams spending easily. It’s not like football where you need 20 good players.
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by Grinder in Training on Apr 30, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Wade, Kobe, Durant, Dwight
They are all worth 33% but great elite players like Paul, Melo, Bosh, Stat arent worth it but will get it. Not saying I wouldnt sign any of them to a max deal but they are more in the 25% range.
Well if a player gets a max contract on the open market, he is "worth" that
That’s how worth is defined in capitalism: you’re worth what somebody’s willing to pay you.
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i thought you knew this was a communist blog
i think all players should make $10k a year, regardless of ability.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 30, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
25% is still 15 mil +
Id spit at a contract like that…. wtf. Ive seen the Bulls sign a big man past his prime we payed the consequences for a few years. This is no comparison with Dirk and Ben but a move like that could technically ruin Derricks career.
Reagenomics 101
Your worth what you produce and when a team signs someone to a contract they have to have in mind what that player will be worth down the line…
I think Wade's mind is far from made
He loves Miami, loves to be The Guy. But he wants to win and signing a 6 years contract in his prime in a situation with a big question mark is no easy call.
The same happens with Lebron
All is good now. But let’s say the Celtics surprises them… LBJ will have some hard thinking to do as well
by JustAnotherFan on Apr 28, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Miami already has a plan
re-sign Haslem
by JustAnotherFan on Apr 28, 2010 3:56 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
What Wade is Saying
He’s basically saying “if you get me some help this offseason, I’ll stay”.

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