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Game Two Recap: Bulls play nearly their best, the Cavs play their better.

Pace Eff eFG FT/FG OREB% TOr
Chicago 87.0 117.2 46.2% 17.2 29.5 4.6
Cleveland 128.7 63.4% 31.0 17.2 12.6

 

In many respects, the Bulls played as good as they're going to in this series. And maybe better than they've played all season. 

With only 4 turnovers all game, the Bulls nearly broke a playoff record. Coupling that with dominating the offensive glass (a Bulls staple when they win, since they'll rarely shoot well but can at least clean up the misses) and the Bulls offensive efficiency tonight was better than all but 9 games they played in the entire season.

But unfortunately for the Bulls tonight, the Cavs put on an unbelievable offensive performance of their own, punctuated at the end by LeBron James going 1-on-5 farther and farther from the basket and it not mattering at all. With the Bulls hanging around the entire game I was excited for the prospect of James getting too jumper-happy and shooting the Cavs out of the game. It seemed like whenever James would hit some long impressive jumper the Bulls would be right back with Deng or Taj laying it in or Noah dunking, and eventually the jumpers are the shots that stop connecting. But it never stopped, not from James nor Jamario Moon, who hit several key three-pointers late.

The Cavs as a team were more in line with their usual proficiency behind the arc (actually a little better than that, 50% on the night), and it's not surprising given how unbelievably wide open they are. There were some rotation miscues on the Bulls part, but overall I thought these were similar to the shots that the Cavs simply missed in game one.

The plan was still to to limit James, and whether it was another solid effort from Luol Deng, switching it up with James Johnson (aggressive and physical, but did not force LeBron away from the middle), trapping, or forcing him to hit long fadeaways at the end of the shot clock, it didn't matter. He was that good tonight, and what we can hope for is maybe he thinks he'll be that hot in game 3 and this time he shoots his team out of it.

The question I have is whether the Bulls can play that well again. They were especially impressive in pushing off of turnovers, a trait that always seemed to be their best path to success (given the ineptitude of the half-court sets, and any time out of a Vinny timeout, especially bad with those in this game). But they've rarely pulled it off as impressively as it was rolling tonight.

Going through some individual performances...Joakim Noah was tremendous with 25 pts and 13 rebs in 41 minutes, with Shaq meanwhile limited to only 15 minutes of burn. Vinny didn't start Brad Miller, but nearly had the same effect with Taj Gibson benched with two fouls 4 minutes in (though he rebounded with a solid game), and O'Neal had a much more difficult time than in the first game, with 4 fouls and 4 TOs in those 15 minutes. Derrick Rose had another game where he took a lot of shots to score his 20+ points, but had a much better night handling the ball (as, obviously, the whole team did) with 1 TO to go with 8 assists. He even received some secondary help from the outside from Luol Deng, who fought off injury and some shamings by LeBron and went right back when he could finishing with 20 points of his own. Hinrich was as impotent as ever from the SG spot but Flip Murray picked up the slack with an excellent first half and not-so-much second half (to paraphrase Charles Barkley: you don't live by Flip Murray, you die by Flip Murray) and 14 points overall.

Again, with so many contributions and stellar play in certain areas, I don't think we'll see the Bulls do that well again offensively in the series, outside of a wonky-excellent shooting night in the holster. It's possible. I thought that there'd be a game this series where the Bulls would stay close all game that Rose could steal, and maybe this was the one. But the star on the wrong team got it done. The preening may be annoying, but the player is damned good.

And if this is as good as it gets for the Bulls this postseason, I'm digging the exposure for guys like Rose and Noah. Even Luol Deng had to win some fans with his ability to get banged up and return without the benefit of the Paul Pierce ceremonial wheelchair. You got Noah's comments about Cleveland sure to be replayed on TNT with Charles Barkley saying Noah's his favorite player in the league. That can't hurt (though I wouldn't call it a big help either, but still...) in terms of recruitment this summer, something looking very close to starting even as the Bulls head home to try and turn this around.

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Dont you mean

the Factoies were too much for us?

by T.Moore on Apr 20, 2010 12:13 AM CDT reply actions  

It's a Noah reference

so it can’t be all bad

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Apr 20, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

ok, you're absolved

 I haven’t heard the ‘factories’ stuff. Just the ‘vacation’ stuff.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 20, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

the factories thing

was from the clip of the interview they showed on TNT. it was pretty fucking hilarious.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Apr 20, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

ha I was thinking that too. I guess they fly.

There are no factories in between O’Hare and the northern suburbs?

Bosh or Bust

by JockstrapNoah on Apr 20, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

A lot of our factories are still in business, bit of a difference.

But no.. which ever hotel the Bulls’ opponent stays in, I really doubt they look outside and see factories.

"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times

by Grinder in Training on Apr 21, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

great caption

it’s crazy

"I'm going to enjoy an apple in bed." - Derrick Rose

by E-Grizzle on Apr 20, 2010 12:26 AM CDT reply actions  

my god this utah/denver series is good. is this really the first round?!

there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.

-MPG

by TheMoon on Apr 20, 2010 12:33 AM CDT reply actions  

that thread is getting big and abandoned. but point taken.

there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.

-MPG

by TheMoon on Apr 20, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed. His best caption work yet.

And man, LeBron really is a fucking douche. I can’t believe how much I’ve grown to dislike him. He’s really awful.

Thrusting out of the playoff race, one injury at a time.

by Illini15 on Apr 20, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well

Now you see why I hate him

by T.Moore on Apr 20, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

You gotta love the heart they're playing this series

Those kids are winners – too bad LBJ is just that good. But give this team a top free agent and they’ll be climbing their way to the finals

by JustAnotherFan on Apr 20, 2010 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

haha, yea that was a good one

The “it’s crazy” part was a very nice touch. It’s like he really said it!

If you're reading this signature, there's a good chance you don't like Vinny Del Negro.

by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 20, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah Matt

You should make these pics a feature (not just one pic per post, but a regular weekly feature of your captions). You’ve got mad caption skills, and would put Sham to shame.

7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home

by majoyenrac on Apr 20, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

infatuation

lebron seems to be very very fond of himself

"Let's do some living... after we die"

by marionette on Apr 20, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lebron

Seems like the type that will look at himself in the mirror. all day

by T.Moore on Apr 20, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

what you don't?

"Run! Attack! Oh, and make sure to score more points than them guys!" -- VDN

by Rose Colored Goggles on Apr 20, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

nice couple of road games for the bulls though. 100 minutes of ball, only 10 of them were not competitive. this is basically everything i asked for.

there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.

-MPG

by TheMoon on Apr 20, 2010 12:39 AM CDT reply actions  

I wish Derrick becomes nearly efficient on the offensive end as Deron Williams

Williams scored 33 points on 14 points. He knocked down 16 free throws to go along with 3 threes. Damn, that’s efficient as well as 14 assists. The Chris Paul/Deron Williams debate will never end.

by LoveForTheGame on Apr 20, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Derrick will become more efficient

when his 3-pointer gets better and he gets some real teammates. And a better coach.

Deron is incredible, but he plays with some great teammates and has a Hall of Fame coach. Derrick has horrendous teammates for the most part, and plays for Vinny Del Negro. It’s not a fair fight.

Thrusting out of the playoff race, one injury at a time.

by Illini15 on Apr 20, 2010 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

The imagination Derrick has to have because his teammates suck ass is amazing me.

Everyone knows he’s going to take it but he’s so quick I just love when he’s playing like this.

Luol Deng 24 going on 54.

by SoulEater7 on Apr 20, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

i dont think all of his teammates suck ass.

there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.

-MPG

by TheMoon on Apr 20, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed. When your three highest paid players only produced 29 pts.

I’d say that qualifys as suck-ass teammates (Hinrick, Miller, Deng) @ close to 34 mil/yr combined. And we’re stuck with two of them for years to come. Enjoy mediocrity BG haters. GarPaxDorf, Deng and Hinrick are going nowhere.

by sadafan on Apr 20, 2010 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

They're both very tradeable

It’s just if the Bulls could stop overvaluing them

If the Bulls don’t make the playoffs I won’t need to watch basketball, its on to basketball.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 2, 2010 12:38 PM PDT

by Option27 on Apr 20, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Especially

Hinrich, Captain Clank, the Scraptain, the Craptain, Mr. Glue

by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 21, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I like

Captain Clank.

Rec to that.

Though I still like Hinrich, just wish he didn’t suck.

7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home

by majoyenrac on Apr 21, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

BG = Mediocrity..

With Ben Gordon on this team, we’d still be mediocre. Maybe a 5th seed, but we also wouldn’t be able to sign a Chris Bosh type in the summer. Most of the free agents out there are better than Ben Gordon. Even if we drop down to the second teir of guys (Johnson, Amare, etc..), it’s still better then keeping BG around.

"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times

by Grinder in Training on Apr 21, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Time to SHUT DOWN THE CARTER on lusting for BG back in a Bulls uniform

by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 21, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

how about

shutting down the carter on the post-BG era hate

by NormVanBeer on Apr 21, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

unless they would have got rid of Hinrich.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 22, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

and he needs to start getting calls from refs

that is the first step to an offensive efficient career

by LoveForTheGame on Apr 20, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Basically Derrick has 2 or 3 teammates worth a damn on a given night. Noah is almost always good to awesome.

Deng is usually pretty good. Kirk is usually bad, but sometimes good. Taj is only sometimes okay. Brad is hit or miss. So basically his consistent options are Deng and Joakim and neither of those guys are offensive dynamos. It’s really unbelievable that he’s been able to put up a 30% assist rate with these jamokes.

Kirk Hinrich sucks. The end.

by fundamentallysound on Apr 20, 2010 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's hilarious that people say his low assist numbers are due to his "lack of vision"

Um, have they not seen this shit roster?

Thrusting out of the playoff race, one injury at a time.

by Illini15 on Apr 20, 2010 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously

He’s got 6 assists a game with this roster. Next year no one should be surprised to see that number increase thanks to Noah developing as a low post presence even more

by OwlNotebook on Apr 20, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

haha. "jamokes?"

there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.

-MPG

by TheMoon on Apr 20, 2010 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

You guys are vastly overrating the impact the teammates have on assists.

The Bulls are 23rd in the league in FG% at 45.1%

If they get players to bump that up to 47%, they’ll be 8th in the league in FG%.

The number of made field goals more? 126, or ~1.5 FGM per game. Sure, that would change the scoring and make them almost average, but it would greatly increase Rose’s assists or assist percentages.

I mean, last year, when Paul had over a 50% AST% and a high 27 USG%, his team only had a 45.5% FG%. And of course, the 2nd most field goals taken on the team were by the 50% shooter Paul himself. They were not a good shooting team.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 20, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

They don't have the players

That yield to the ability to call an offense that would allow Rose to get the good looks he should get.

We need shooters and inside

CP3 has West and a myriad of shooting options (even if they’re old)
DWill has Boozer and a myriad of shooters (a shit ton of them)
Rondo has KG, Pierce and esp Allen

Etc.

Rose has Hinrich, Pargo, Flip, JJ, Taj?

I know Deng’s decent, but also eliminates a lot of assists when he dribble drives, and Noah’s more effective than he should be…..and every few games Brad’ll have it going….

7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home

by majoyenrac on Apr 20, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

You can still have movement. Deng needs to be moving off the ball and make dives into the lane.

He’s really good at catching and finishing as he dives through the lane off of cuts. It’s one of his best skills. Instead Vinny has him stand on the perimeter and shoot 22 footers. Bad news.

Kirk does a lot better when he gets his game from inside out. He needs to penetrate and he needs to be yelled at to penetrate. Too often he dribbles the air out of the ball at the top of the key and then swings it around the perimeter for a bad shot for one of his teammates with the shot clock winding down. When he penetrates, he’s not a bad PnR player and he can get his shot going if he gets stuff going at the basket first. You see it all the time guys get their shot working by getting to the rim and getting some confidence. Vinny needs to be yelling at guys to get to the rim, every single game. I heard him mic’d up last night telling them to and Deng responded by attacking – though I still contend that Deng got pissed after LeBron swatted him and that’s what triggered his night of attacking the rim.

Look, this team is limited offensively, but you can still look at the things your guys do well and build a system off of that. Derrick is exceptional off the ball. He uses cuts off screens better than anyone else on the team. Lu cuts and dives well. Kirk can be effective when he actually tries to get into the paint (but he so rarely tries). These are things that Vinny should have been working into their half court sets more often because simply running the high screen and roll or the double post at the elbows with our two bigs every time down can’t possibly work.

And nearly every Bulls player (save Kirk) is much better in transition than elsewhere. Noah is one of the best running big + finishing big men in the league. Derrick is the fastest man on the court most nights. Deng (when he’s not steamrolling for a charge) finishes well on the break. Taj runs the floor well. Vinny needed to make running a much bigger priority all year. It was encouraging to see him get on guys to push the pace and get out on run outs after stops and even off of made baskets, but they should have been playing a much faster pace than 11th in the league with that personnel.

Kirk Hinrich sucks. The end.

by fundamentallysound on Apr 20, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Skiles had

Deng doing the same….which means I think it’s Deng more than anything. THe “mad” Deng yesterday finally started to attack, attack, attack….and that was great and could be a sign….he should do that more. Vinny’s essentially put him in that role (see Salmons last year at the 3) and yet often Deng still hoists up 22 ft jumpers, often when he can drive and attack for an easier score.

I think Vinny wants us to run more (as he’s constantly shouting run, run, run to the guys) they sometimes fall in love too much with the jump shot….and that’s when things break down….I don’t know if that’s the coaching as this same group of players (sans Rose) has done that for years.

Ultimately when we have the pieces to build a more complete system if these f-ups are still happening then you guys are entirely correct, but we don’t have teh clean O-team taht can be easily divised, and I think we’ve done a halfway decent job despite having the worst pure post O and 3pt shooting O in the league….

If Vinny sucks post big time FA then sure I’m more down to get rid of him….other coaches have savior talents and make up for bad execution by at least having some traditional pieces (a real 3 pt shooter and a real inside the post presence).

Pax has just given us jump shooters….

7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home

by majoyenrac on Apr 20, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Boozer is the only other All-star caliber player. AK-47 is alright, Matthews is promising and Miles/Korver are just whatever.

Personally I would take D Will over Paul anyday

by C Smoove on Apr 20, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

AK47

Is pretty solid when healthy, but he’s never healthy.

7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home

by majoyenrac on Apr 20, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

roses situation doesnt compare to williams'. it compares more to durants this playoffs, or lebrons against

the spurs in the finals in ’07 (e.g. sole offensive shot creator with the entirety of a very good team marshalled to slow him down.) lebron didnt do that well then and durant didnt do very well on sunday. its a really hard role for a 21 year old. hes going to get a lot better.

there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.

-MPG

by TheMoon on Apr 20, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Bulls need three point shooters around Derrick (or even just shooters)

LeBron has an abundance supply of shooters that can hit threes. It has allowed LeBron not to force shots as much. I mean, the Cavs are loaded with Jamison, Williams, Moon, Paker, and West as their shooters. In there starting line-up tonight they have four guys that can shoot the three. The Bulls have one, who is decent at shooting the three. I still have hope that Deng can turn into a decent three point shooter though. If we surround Rose with shooters he will become much more efficient.

by LoveForTheGame on Apr 20, 2010 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

no, i meant IN the finals he wasnt exactly lighting it up from an efficiency standpoint.

there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.

-MPG

by TheMoon on Apr 20, 2010 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh right. That's because the Spurs understand how to defend guys like LeBron. Fence the paint and force him

to be a jumpshooter. Or at least that’s what you do when he’s not in F You mode. Plus, the Spurs were WAY better than the Cavs in that series.

But the general point of all this is correct, Derrick needs a better supporting cast, especially since he’s never going to be LeBron.

Kirk Hinrich sucks. The end.

by fundamentallysound on Apr 20, 2010 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

And Lebron

Is way better today than he was then (And he was great then).

Bulls defended Lebron about as well as anyone can defend Lebron yesterday….and yet he still had a 40-8-8 night and was just unbelievable.

7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home

by majoyenrac on Apr 20, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Even though I didn't have great expectations for this series

it’s still really disheartening that we played that well, yet still lost by 10 points. Hopefully we can still pull one or two games out, but I have my doubts. As was said above this series can’t hurt with all the attention that Noah and Rose have been getting. This offseason is our playoffs anyway.

If you're reading this signature, there's a good chance you don't like Vinny Del Negro.

by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 20, 2010 12:44 AM CDT reply actions  

I would say it was closer than the "10 points"

We were right there until the last few minutes and they hit some of those absurd dagger shots that normally don’t go in

Thrusting out of the playoff race, one injury at a time.

by Illini15 on Apr 20, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know, but still

When we play that well, you’d at least like it to be a one possession game in the final moments. The last minute or so, the game was basically over, with our guys heaving shots. But for the most part you’re right, it was a very close game

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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 20, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

They just fed off their home crowd.

The Bulls offense was slowing down.

Luol Deng 24 going on 54.

by SoulEater7 on Apr 20, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

its tiring work when the only way anyone can score is by driving the ball to the hoop.

some shooters would really help!

there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.

-MPG

by TheMoon on Apr 20, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was definitely closer than 10 points

Just like the 13 point loss in G1 was actually not as close as 13 points sounds

by OwlNotebook on Apr 20, 2010 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Its funny, but I could swear the reason Delonte West was presurring Derrick in the closing seconds

Was to preserve the double-digit win. I think the Cavs have some streak going (from last year) where they won each 1st and 2nd round game by double digits.

It would have been funny if Lu knocked down that last shot.

"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan

by PeteRoc on Apr 20, 2010 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

He hit one that bounced high like that last season against the Cavs...

I agree, I was hoping that was going in.

"Run! Attack! Oh, and make sure to score more points than them guys!" -- VDN

by Rose Colored Goggles on Apr 20, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

You may be right

Last year they went 8-0 in the first two rounds and won by an average of 16 points. (I think they were all double-digit wins; I remember reading recently 16 was the average.)

If that’s why West was hounding Derrick, fuck them. Not that you don’t try 100% all the time but clearly they forgot what happened vs. the Magic

by OwlNotebook on Apr 20, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd

This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training

by Jack M on Apr 20, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Williams had 33 and 14

Rose needs to do that. I think he can do it, but he’s another season or two away from being the best PG in the game, and I think he will be.

by Badmotostinkfinger on Apr 20, 2010 12:50 AM CDT reply actions  

but wouldn't you say he's #3 behind those guys for PGs under 30?

Rondo’s the only other one who could lay a claim to that, and maybe Tony Parker (but he’s not the same player he was 3 years ago).

"Run! Attack! Oh, and make sure to score more points than them guys!" -- VDN

by Rose Colored Goggles on Apr 20, 2010 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Derrick is a better shooter than Rondo

The only reason Rondo has more assists is because the Celtics are stacked. (With old men, but still.) I don’t think if you put Rondo on the Bulls he gets the accolades Derrick does

by OwlNotebook on Apr 20, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, agreed totally

I’ll take Derrick over Rondo 10 times out of 10

"Run! Attack! Oh, and make sure to score more points than them guys!" -- VDN

by Rose Colored Goggles on Apr 20, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I still don't get why they stopped using Acie Law late in the season.

Derrick can’t even get a blow. Law at least got to the free throw line.

Luol Deng 24 going on 54.

by SoulEater7 on Apr 20, 2010 12:53 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

at least vinny didnt play pargo though.

there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.

-MPG

by TheMoon on Apr 20, 2010 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

he'd be a good option

but I still want Anthony Morrow.

"I want people to fear me"- Derrick Rose.
"That boy is BAD"- Stacey King.

by Cosmis on Apr 20, 2010 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

i definitely want Morrow too!

I just hope he comes cheap… Actually either of those two would be awesome.

Is the MLE too much for Ray-Ray?

by rainman1003 on Apr 20, 2010 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

MLE is probably too little for Ray-Ray

If Ginobili got 3 years 40 million, allen won’t be too far below that.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Apr 20, 2010 4:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ginobli is playing way better

But i’m keeping any SG not named Kirk

by JustAnotherFan on Apr 20, 2010 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ginobili>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ray Allen

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Apr 20, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that's a bit much

Ray Allen at his peak/prime = to if not slightly better than Manu, and I love Manu, but Ray was ridiculous.

Ray today is probably closer to Manu because he’s not nearly as injured as Manu’s been.

But the healthy Manu the last 3-4 years is fantastic.

7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home

by majoyenrac on Apr 20, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

When healthy

Manu was playing like shit until maybe late Feb….

Ray Allen’s been playing more games of late and quite well post all star game.

Manu’s what 4 years younger, that’s some time, but Ray Allen’s been more consistent than Manu the last 3 years (save for this blip) since Manu got hurt 3 years ago and hasn’t been able to consistently stay healthy.

When both 100% today, Manu is better than modern Ray Allen. But Ray Allen the past month and a half or so has been the most consistent Celtic.

7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home

by majoyenrac on Apr 20, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah but Allen is much more likely to stay healthy

And when he’s healthy he plays more minutes.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Apr 20, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anthony Morrow is loved all over BaB

If he saw this blog, he would sign here in a heartbeat.

by LoveForTheGame on Apr 20, 2010 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's a couple of problems with Morrow
  • He’s a RFA, so GSW could match.
  • He plays some downright awful defense.
  • He’s good enough to get overpaid by someone, but he doesn’t provide much besides shooting.

Kirk Hinrich sucks. The end.

by fundamentallysound on Apr 20, 2010 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

i read somewhere that he's an awful defender, because he's isn't athletic at all

So he’d be a great weapon to have off the bench. Ray-Ray as the starting SG would be a more sure thing, IMO, because we know what we’re always getting from him

by rainman1003 on Apr 20, 2010 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ray Allen's 3pt % was way down this year

I’d worry that it would stay there as he is on the lower half of his career. Then again, year before he was at 40% and Rose would create lots of openings.

by DRose01 on Apr 20, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Bulls are desperate for shooters, so I don't care if he doesn't provide much else as long as he is a damn good shooter

If the Bulls can get either Bosh or Amare, I have no problems with our SG slots belonging to Hinrich and Murrow next season. If Murrow is playing shitty defense then we can sub in Hinrich and if he need an offensive spark we can plug in Murrow. That is the beautiful thing about a flexible roster. It doesn’t appear likely that we can get Murrow though.

by LoveForTheGame on Apr 20, 2010 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

you think GSW's gonna pay him with Ellis and Curry on the roster?

or are they going to try to trade Ellis?

"Run! Attack! Oh, and make sure to score more points than them guys!" -- VDN

by Rose Colored Goggles on Apr 20, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

as long as they don't trade him here...

f*cking Sam Smith and his lousy ideas…

"Run! Attack! Oh, and make sure to score more points than them guys!" -- VDN

by Rose Colored Goggles on Apr 20, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

i'd thought that azubuike was a fa, but hoopshype has him at $3.4mil in '10-'11

they also have morrow at $1.0mil for ‘10-’11, and i was 99.9% sure morrow was a rfa. so i guess, don’t trust hoopshype?

azubuike is a big sg that can shoot the three and defend, assuming he can come back from his injury. when healthy, the warriors would seem to have too many guards on the roster to completely retain.

"Let's do some living... after we die"

by marionette on Apr 20, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

and I believe Buike is a UFA this year. It's a tough call on what he's worth because he was ballin to start

this year with a 19 PER (small sample size issues abound) with as good of defense as you’re going to find on the Warriors perimeter. Traditionally he’s been pretty average in almost every way, but can he come back from the patella injury and be the same guy? I don’t know.

I’d also be interested in taking a look at Dorell Wright who has been playing well next to Wade this year and Wade plays nearly the exact same game as Rose, only better.

Kirk Hinrich sucks. The end.

by fundamentallysound on Apr 20, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'll add another one: golden states style of play is too weird; who knows what those guys

would be like on a real nba team.

there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.

-MPG

by TheMoon on Apr 20, 2010 2:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

And he plays for GoldenState and still has long dry spells….but guess he’ll only be getting open looks with D Rose

by Camry on Apr 20, 2010 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

There are guys on that team who I think get boned over because of the lack of a defensive system. Morrow's not one of them.

He’s just total shit laterally and seems totally disinterested in even thinking about defense.

Kirk Hinrich sucks. The end.

by fundamentallysound on Apr 20, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

He tries sometimes

I think the effort on D thing is Golden State. The physical tools, not so much, he’s just not so fast.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Apr 20, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've watched Morrow play D a lot

I just kind of think it’s the culture in GS that makes him not try. He’s never going to be a good defender, though. [Lesson 1 in ‘Defense isn’t just being tall’.]

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Apr 20, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can't skew his incredible three-point percentages, no matter the system

Don Nelson isn’t shooting for him, that’s for sure.

Thrusting out of the playoff race, one injury at a time.

by Illini15 on Apr 20, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

The thing about Morrow that makes me hesitate

is that despite making 45% of his 3s, he’s still pretty crappy. That’s not easy to do. 14.0 PER with bad defense isn’t starter material. Imagine if his 3pt% was partially a product of the system (it’s possible, look at Channing Frye or Chris Dudley in Phoenix) and he translates to just a 40% 3pt shooter here.

If he were unrestricted I think he’d be worth taking a cheap flier on as a backup specialist. And maybe after all the Adrian Griffin / Pargo / Murray / Hunter backcourt crap we’ve had recently Morrow would be a breath of fresh air. But if he’s going to cost us a pick? Eh. Eh…

by YaoPau on Apr 20, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don't get

why VDN went small the entire 4th quarter. It was 77-77 at the end of three…as soon as we went small to start the 4th, the lead went to 5 and we could never climb back in it. Obviously lebron hit some crazy shots to help them secure that lead, but I just don’t get the reasoning. Taj was playing pretty decent at the time. Both Kirk and Flip had horrible second halfs…Kirk had a horrible overall game. I would’ve liked to make them match us instead of us trying to match them.

by NormVanBeer on Apr 20, 2010 1:14 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

going small plays right into Cleveland's hands

YaoPau had a post where he broke down how the Cavs were worse with Shaq on the floor. When the Bulls go small it takes away our one advantage, offensive rebounding, while providing no benefit. We can’t shoot 3’s. Its not like our D gets better going small against the Cavs either. Lebron can still get to the middle and the Cavs space the floor with 3 point shooters as well as any team in the league.

VDN has never recognized that the Bulls strength is offensive rebounding. Its like he knows it in his head, but come crunch time, he doesn’t put out lineups that can accentuate that aspect of our game. Its frustrating to watch because going small never seems to help.

by Basketball Smurf on Apr 20, 2010 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think it's partly because going small worked last year in crunch time because we had guys who could space the floor

(*cough*BG*cough*, *cough*Salmons*cough*), but it’s like Vinny hasn’t processed that his current batch of guards can’t shoot straight, so there’s no “spread the floor” advantage. It just makes us likely to brick it up from the outside and have no inside to clean up the mess.

Kirk Hinrich sucks. The end.

by fundamentallysound on Apr 20, 2010 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

it was classic Vinny

the game was too close (tied) and he seemed to feel the need to COACH and try something that made absolutely no sense at the time.

The game flow shows our worse +/- of the entire night came in the 4th quarter with the small lineup…wtf VDN…slap yourself

by NormVanBeer on Apr 20, 2010 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

let's not forget about Jamario Moon morphing into Reggie Miller...

"Run! Attack! Oh, and make sure to score more points than them guys!" -- VDN

by Rose Colored Goggles on Apr 20, 2010 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah he killed us last night...

all those damn threes were daggers and killed us….
Boo!

by scottie33 on Apr 20, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah he did, but if you have a close game and lebron morphing into 1-on-5 because everyone’s packing the paint you are gonna put yourself in a grood position to beat the Cavs.

It would seem to me, that you feel threatened by the Eric Ghiaciuc acquisition.

by johnnyphoenix on Apr 20, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I still think Vinny tries to out coach people its very scary

by Camry on Apr 20, 2010 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mike Brown isn’t much better. He gets consistently out-coached in the playoffs. Brown vs. VDN is basically like trying to see who’s the smartest kid with downs syndrome in social skills class.

It would seem to me, that you feel threatened by the Eric Ghiaciuc acquisition.

by johnnyphoenix on Apr 20, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Brown is worse

his star is just 5 years older and half a foot taller so it doesn’t matter.
The Cleveland offense used to be ‘OK, LeBron … do something’. Literally. 4 guys watching LeBron try to score. They’ve switched it up a bit this year, but … egh, Mike Brown.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Apr 20, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mike Brown

is a horrible coach, they might be champions if they kept Paul Silas

by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 21, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

It also came

When Lebron went off and was guarded very well.

There were very few easy shots. Game planning you’d love to have Moon hoist those 3’s as he’s typically terrible at ’em.

We planned it right, but we don’t have Lebron.

7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home

by majoyenrac on Apr 20, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

true to that

however, I think we made it easier for them by going away from our only decided advantage, which was on the boards/offensive boards. You’re right though, in that they shot lights out.

by NormVanBeer on Apr 20, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, but I must ask

why did we kept Kirk on the team again?

by JustAnotherFan on Apr 20, 2010 8:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Any idea who was taunting Lebron from the Bulls bench?

In the postgame, Lebron said they were daring him to shoot, so he did over and over again….you could see him talking to the bench in the 3rd and 4th quarters…

Its just dumb to call out a player from the bench…

Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.

by Dionysus2.0 on Apr 20, 2010 8:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Don't know which Bull

But Lebron was winking at the Bulls bench on every shot he made from the left side of the floor.

12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)

by NBA Observer on Apr 20, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

"They were daring him to shoot" implies the Bulls defense.

And James always has those pithy looks to the bench, as if people forgot he is in fact quite good at basketball.

He winked at Noah, then almost laughed at himself after hitting that ridiculous up and under layup.

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 20, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

pargo doesn't play

bulls keep it much closer… coincidence? i think not!

fuck pargo!

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Apr 20, 2010 8:23 AM CDT reply actions  

I missed most of the game....only caught the last 8 minutes of the 4th

But Sam mentioned that Lu did more slashing to help him get more scoring opportunities. I just hope Lu and Derrick didn’t come up with it on their own with (no forsight from Vinny). I’d like to give Vinny more credit if it was deserved, but I think Lu can be a consistent offensive contributor in this series if he continues to do that even if he doesn’t match Lebron’s output.

Game 3 should be interesting. Checking the box scores….the Cavs shot incredibly well…..including at the FT line. If the Bulls can continue to keep everyone else (not named Lebron) in check as they appeared to do for the most part last night, they may have a good shot at a win in game 3.

"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan

by PeteRoc on Apr 20, 2010 8:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Deng

Actually played angry there after he was ninnying it up with his 20 ft jump shots and not trying to attack when he could have attacked on a switch, etc.

Then in I think the second, he went up for a dunk and LBJ did one of his blocks from nowhere (I think hitting Deng’s hand a bit and it wasn’t called—but it was close and he’s LBJ, and most of those are 100% clean), and Deng actually got angry….it might have been the 3rd.

I’ve never seen Deng play angry, but he did and I was like, Yes Come on Luol, that’s what we’ve been waiting for for YEARS.

I did think it was odd in the 3rd quarter there for a few minutes, Vinny had Deng and point and Flip at SG, in a point-forward mode for Luol.

Man I sure hope we continue to see angry Luol Deng, because he finally showed his talents. True Lebron already had 20+ pts and 5-6 assists and 5-6 boards before it came, but angry Luol really is a good sign for the rest of this series.

7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home

by majoyenrac on Apr 20, 2010 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Angry Luol was quite impressive

Right up until he started hoisting crappy jumpers again as the Cavs pulled away.

I’d like to see more angry Luol in the future.

by madcow256 on Apr 20, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong, he's really good at those 15- to 17-foot jumpers

when he’s got a clear shot. It’s when he takes those jumpers while under pressure that makes me upset. I’d much rather he respond by attempting to drive and draw a foul in those situations than pulling up and taking a poor shot.

I do wish he could find a way to translate that ability to make the longer open jumpers into 3 pointers, but he seems to be unable to add those few extra feet to his range.

by madcow256 on Apr 20, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

He needs to take those jumpers when they're actually warranted.

Not when LeBron is draped over you and there’s 10 seconds left on the shot clock.

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 20, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know we lost

But we executed almost perfectly and despite the fact that Lebron was ridiculously amazing with his 16 for 23 and seemingly hitting every big jumper in the game well defended the entire game, just ridiculous), I thought Luol Deng quietly rebounded from a sluggish first quarter to be our best player last game (though less heralded than JoNo—for good measure).

if we can continue to see that aggressive Deng (he actually looked and played angry, and well looked fantastic from it) then who knows. We can’t expect to see Moon go 4 from 5 from 3 pt land again especially in Chicago…..

Rose had a quieter fourth but was effective all night.

Noah was fantastic, hustle, doing everything. I LOVED the over the back being guarded/boxed out both by Miller and Noah on the same play and how Shaq shoved them and grabbed the board—showing he’s still got superhuman strength, and when the foul was called on Shaq, Noah very loudly yelled Thank you.

That was awesome.

But man LBJ is nipping on MJ right now, I know that’s blasphemy, but he has perfected that little block of his, that makes any other D shortcomings a total wash, he’s got better vision that MJ, and while not typically the jump shooter MJ is, man when he has it falling, he’s absolutely unbelievable.

I lost my jaw on the couch…..several times yesterday.

I sure hope he isn’t on the ’roids….cuz what a player. Makes you almost want to like him even with the stupid dancing antics….but I hate him (though will love him immediately if he came to Chicago :).

7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home

by majoyenrac on Apr 20, 2010 9:05 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

LBJ

Still travels every game though

by T.Moore on Apr 20, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Everyone travels. Traveling in the NBA is like offensive holding in the NFL.

Unless it’s an egregious miss, I don’t care about the crab dribbles.

"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 20, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Traveling=Holding

You have a good point there and I agree. But still his crab walk is just blatent and annoying

by T.Moore on Apr 20, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's put it this way:

NBA players travel
Lebron makes a f..cking odyssey

by JustAnotherFan on Apr 22, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree.

I thought the Bulls did a grood job defensively against James…that’s exactly how you gotta play him. If they beat you with the perimeter shots or if James goes nuts hitting all sorts of crazy jumpers well, so be it, it happens…but the Bulls did what they had to do to put them in a position to win, and they should keep doing it.

It would seem to me, that you feel threatened by the Eric Ghiaciuc acquisition.

by johnnyphoenix on Apr 20, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last night, I thought that, as a player only, Noah reminds me of Center-version of...

…Rajon Rondo.

Well-above average defender (I’d say great). Can’t shoot worth a lick. Can do everything else on offense well. Doesn’t have the skills to carry a team by himself, but really shines when he has better players around him.

Just a thought.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 20, 2010 9:11 AM CDT reply actions  

But Rajon Rondo got a contract extension!

We better hurry up and trade Noah before he asks for one. I hear Taysahun Prince and Rip Hamilton are available.

by Sports2 on Apr 20, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

...except Noah has bad players around him and he's already good

so does that mean Noah > Rondo?

Thrusting out of the playoff race, one injury at a time.

by Illini15 on Apr 20, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jesus, they're not all bad.

And yeah, Noah can be better than Rondo.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 20, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rose and Deng are good, Taj is decent. Miller is decent half the time.

Everyone else pretty much sucks. Who’s good in your eyes? The roster is god awful.

Thrusting out of the playoff race, one injury at a time.

by Illini15 on Apr 20, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Noah's more valuable than Rondo for the simple fact that big man defense is so much more important than guard defense.

None of the guards in today’s NBA can really stop the other. It’s on the big men to get stops. Noah helps with that quite a bit.

Kirk Hinrich sucks. The end.

by fundamentallysound on Apr 20, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Keys to the loss
  1. Jamario Moon at both ends
  2. The Bulls cheating help defense trying to clog the paint
  3. Failing to punish the Cavs when Lebron rests(Bulls -4 when Lebron was out)

That’s it really. Lebron on fire doesn’t make defeating the Cavs any more difficult than usual. I really liked how the Bulls just played through that. They weren’t hanging heads or throwing up their arms. They took the punches and punched right back.

What really hurt our performance, and especially late in the game, was when Lebron was handling the ball and the other 4 Bulls were cheating their way off their man to clog the paint. The Cavs exploited this to perfection with player rotation between Williams and Moon, and Jamison and West. Caught looking at Lebron, the rotation would screen the Bull from his primary assignment so the passing rotation would deny the route to recovery to force a dribble. No dribble, ergo no turnover opportunity.

When Lebron rests every possession should attack the rim. Every defensive possession should force dribble penetration. You want to get into transition against the Cavs bench. They don’t have any defenders that can recover and limit transition the way Lebron can. We give the Cavs +4 without Lebron when they should be at least -4 to constitute an 8 point shift that would have been useful down the stretch. The Cavs playing from behind are a different team then playing even or with the lead.

The goal was to steal one in Cleveland, but the new goal is to take two in Chicago. Lets go get it.

12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)

by NBA Observer on Apr 20, 2010 9:55 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

4. Starting SG contributes 5 pts

This to me is what it comes down to. I know Lebron went off and got his. I know Moon did his best Reggie Miller impression. But at the end of the day, our starting SG had 5 points. Sometimes it’s about scoring more points. What Lebron did was really no different than what Pierce did last year to Salmons. The difference is that you had a scorer at SG that could keep you in the game. All that talk about defense means nothing when the greats want to takeover and score.

by Dils on Apr 20, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

number 2 has been an issue for both games. lebron gets into the lane and kirk and derrick

sag way too far off their guys. especially since they dont actually do anything to help stop lebron anyways.

there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.

-MPG

by TheMoon on Apr 20, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lebron will get his.

But fucking Moon killed us with those threes

by T.Moore on Apr 20, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Scrubs who can't

shoot worth a shit always seem to have out-of-this-world games against the Bulls

by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 20, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lebron will get his.

He will? Who’s gonna ‘give it to him?’

He might lose eventually to the Lakers or the Magic, but no one is gonna ‘give it to him.’

It would seem to me, that you feel threatened by the Eric Ghiaciuc acquisition.

by johnnyphoenix on Apr 20, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I mean that he will get his 40 or 30 points

But we need to stop everyone else. And we didn’t do that since Moon scorched us.

by T.Moore on Apr 20, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

And make it hard for him (lebron) to score

But we dont have anyone to match up against him.

by T.Moore on Apr 20, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

ah, my mistake. Thing is with the Cavs the offseason additions and trades made it so that Mo Williams isn’t the only option for hitting big shots. Mo tends to disappear in the playoffs but now we have parker, moon, and Jamison who can hit big shots when needed. Less pressure on Mo so It think it can only help his confidence too.

It would seem to me, that you feel threatened by the Eric Ghiaciuc acquisition.

by johnnyphoenix on Apr 20, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, they certainly have the best team they’ve ever had, so yeah I guess you could say that, although that by no means means they are the BEST team.

It would seem to me, that you feel threatened by the Eric Ghiaciuc acquisition.

by johnnyphoenix on Apr 20, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

They don't have the most talent, but they've been the best team for the past 2 seasons now.

LeBron is no longer passing to Larry Hughes and Eric Snow. Kobe may have better teammates, but he’s also not nearly as dominant as James.

"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 20, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Kobe has an All Star caliber team

and STILL tries to do everything I dont get it. If Gasol wasn’t on that team they wouldn’t be a #1 seed in the west maybe 5 or 6

by T.Moore on Apr 20, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

sorry, i still think the best team is down in florida.

there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.

-MPG

by TheMoon on Apr 20, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shaq is in great shape this year and it was Shaq who has dominated Howard so far this year. The Cavs are probably the better team on paper than Orlando is, but they are playing very, very well and have all the tools to beat the cavs. So, I’m not even considering the lakers at all just yet, who might actually not necessarily make it either (although I think they probably will) . Not after last year. That aside, I’d rather get 4 wins in the series that’s currently being played b/c you never know what could happen…

It would seem to me, that you feel threatened by the Eric Ghiaciuc acquisition.

by johnnyphoenix on Apr 20, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

dude, want a head coaching job?

This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training

by Jack M on Apr 20, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

For the Bulls?

I’ve got a little Italian in me so I like to argue, but I’ve got a lot more Irish in me and it just loves to fight.

12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)

by NBA Observer on Apr 20, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't post much here, but this article is VERY professionally written.

This is as good or better, both in style and in the mixture of key themes, then anything from the mainstream. Nice job!

For the record, I would have started Blanco at SS and Theriot at 2B for 2010, and released either Baker or Fontenot.

by DisCUBbobulated on Apr 20, 2010 11:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Cleveland! Cleveland!

I just found this, which may explain some of Noah’s opinions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Apr 20, 2010 12:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I feel like it is most likely he probably signs a 3 year extension…but, of course, ANNNNYTHINGGGSSS POSSSIBBLLEE!

It would seem to me, that you feel threatened by the Eric Ghiaciuc acquisition.

by johnnyphoenix on Apr 20, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I was him

I would stay in Cleveland

by T.Moore on Apr 20, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would not

If the lakers lose this year they will end up trading Adam Morrison and DJ Mbenga for (insert a NBA All Star PG here). And David Stern will see no big deal in it.

by JustAnotherFan on Apr 22, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol I love those vids…although cleveland is pretty busy downtown on the weekends…if Noah wanted to go out to a club or bar on saturday night all he had to do was follow the roving herd of ed hardy and affliction douche bags about 4 blocks down from the Q if he didn’t know where to go.

It would seem to me, that you feel threatened by the Eric Ghiaciuc acquisition.

by johnnyphoenix on Apr 20, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

…generally most nba players prefer strip clubs and douche bag bars/clubs apparently.

It would seem to me, that you feel threatened by the Eric Ghiaciuc acquisition.

by johnnyphoenix on Apr 20, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, i guess lebron isn't coming to the bulls in the offseason

I don’t think lebron is leaving but if he did, he wouldn’t come to the bulls and play with noah and to live in jordan shadow and hear why jordan is better than him…….6 championships

by Jermal on Apr 20, 2010 12:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I don’t think Lebron cares that much about Noah’s antics to ‘not want to play with him.’ Hell, Kobe and Artest ‘hated’ each other until Artest went to LA, now they’re all huggy/kissyface.

But say if Lebron did go to chicago? Would everyone still ‘hate’ him and call him a ‘bitch?’ Or would you guys make up?

It would seem to me, that you feel threatened by the Eric Ghiaciuc acquisition.

by johnnyphoenix on Apr 20, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would I still call him a bitch?

Yes I would, but he’s not comming here so I dont have to worry about that.

by T.Moore on Apr 20, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

He wouldn't come because he wants to be the players that help turn the cavs into champions

Lebron wants to be the greatest player on a different franchise team and not live in anyone shadow.

by Jermal on Apr 20, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, i wouldn't call him a bitch but i would call him a clown

All the showboating before, during and after the game makes him a clown and needs to grow up

by Jermal on Apr 20, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Clown is a more fitting word

But he is a great basketball playing Clown I admit.

by T.Moore on Apr 20, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno, if he’s the egomaniac people think he is, then he thinks he can be better than Jordan so he would take it as a challenge.

It would seem to me, that you feel threatened by the Eric Ghiaciuc acquisition.

by johnnyphoenix on Apr 20, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

The "hate" I hope is in the minority here

Lebron is definitely becoming more annoying relative to his first couple of years in the league, but I wouldn’t give a crap if he was on our team. To have gone though MJ and Lebron would be a dream come true for most Bull’s fans.

by diedaily23 on Apr 20, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree. I think the ‘lebron hating’ gets a little ludicrous, but it’s fueled by the media’s love affair and simply the fact that he’s that good. Being a Cavs fan I find a few of the things he does pretty annoying…I dont like the dancing, or the ‘IMMM NOOOT TEEELLING’ attention grab a la his pending free agency. Meanwhile coming out with I heart NY shoes and wearing yankees caps to tribe playoff games.

The looks, winks, stuff i don’t really have a problem with if he’s sticking the dagger in, just as I didn’t have a problem with the Jordan shrug.

It would seem to me, that you feel threatened by the Eric Ghiaciuc acquisition.

by johnnyphoenix on Apr 20, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't mind the media attention at all

Actually I think it’s well deserved. It’s what happens when you’re the best at what you do. I agree with what you said about what he does on the court, he can do what he wants since he is backing it up with his play. The dancing thing however, just makes him look like a jackass.

by diedaily23 on Apr 20, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was beginning to like lebron last year.

But then was his walking out on his team shit after he lost to the magic and not giving some sort of credit to the magic (until after the fact), then the whole him telling Nike to steal the tapes thing after he got dunked on (I think it was more Nike than him, but I think he had a part on it) He carries himself to seem to be an immature jackass (with his dancing during games shit) and celebrating after every shot (again Eddie House) that annoys me

He is a future HOFer and will win a ship eventually, but still it’s hard to like the guy. I can’t deny his talent though

by T.Moore on Apr 20, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, my main issue with players…i.e. what makes me dislike them intensely, is more geared to those guys who are idiots off the court…i.e. Pacman Jones types, and on the court guys who are cheap shot punks. Lebron generally doesn’t talk before/after the game…he’s pretty matter-of-fact, and I don’t see him jawing all that much. If he demonstrates its to his fans or his teammates, not like Garnett’s chest pounding and FU’s towards the other teams of Big Baby getting into it with fans.

Again, some of his offcourt stuff annoys me, but really it’s not a big deal. He’s not shooting himself in the leg in a club, molesting women in bars, etc., killing dogs.

I hate the puppets though, but again it’s really geared towards the mentality of 12 year olds and retards over the age of 15 who wear nba jerseys as a fashion statement. Lot of money to be made there.

It would seem to me, that you feel threatened by the Eric Ghiaciuc acquisition.

by johnnyphoenix on Apr 20, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have never really understood all of the LBJ hate.

He is one of the few players who actually deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as MJ. I’d much rather have LBJ be the face of the NBA than Kobe, who statically has never ever been close to MJ. Sure, LBJ may behave like an immature child at times, but he is still only 25.

by MrBungle on Apr 20, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly Wade's game reminds me of MJ more than anyone else.

LBJ is more like Magic Johnson and should continue to play like that.

by T.Moore on Apr 20, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've started to hate his little cuteness

He just … he has this sense that he’s entitled, but he keeps losing. Also, he tends to rub it in against teams he’s winning by 30 over. I can definitely see him turning into a not-as-intense KG later in his career.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Apr 20, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have that feeling too.
He just … he has this sense that he’s entitled, but he keeps losing

by T.Moore on Apr 20, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

That said,

he is the best player in the game right now, and it’s not even close.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Apr 20, 2010 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

i hate him

he’s incredibly annoying and i can’t stand the media attention on him… they only feed into it and it makes his attitude even more unbearable. i’ve never liked him, though.

that being said, i would still think he’s a bitch, but if the bulls somehow signed him, i’m not gonna complain. i’d have to be insane.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Apr 20, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

The media was annoying, I never seen MJ or Kobe get as much hype as LBJ did when he came out of high school.

by T.Moore on Apr 20, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's got more stupid antics than Chad Johnson

but the NFL types dog Chad Johnson all the time for not respecting the game and what not.

Why is the NBA so accommodating of clowns?

Bosh or Bust

by JockstrapNoah on Apr 20, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chad Johnson goes too far at times. But you can't really compare the two

I guess its different for football since even way back in the 80s there were people doing the fucking worm or the dirty bird or the cabbage patch after a touchdown celebration. That was part of the game for a long time.

But for basketball you don’t see a lot of people doing a riverdance or moonwalk during a basketball game. It’s not part of its cuture and nobody does it in the NBA (until maybe after the game)

With Football its part of its culture for a couple of decades and probably will continue to be part of it

With Basketball nobody does it that often (especially for scoring 2 or 3 points every time) and it was never part of its culture.

With Lebron he should just wait til after the game (like Noah does in college and sometimes now) and not do it during the game cause it send a wrong message that he mighnt not take the game seriously.

Thats just my opinion

by T.Moore on Apr 20, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's no more accommodating than football, just needs it to survive.

Sports needs personalities to thrive, and basketball relies on dominant figures more than any other to drive interest and ratings. LeBron was a compelling figure as a 16 year old, it’s only logical that media hype has increased in droves since then.

I can dislike LeBron’s antics, but I’m more than happy with the current crop of superstars compared to the late 90s and early 2000s.

"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 20, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I just wish that they let people handcheck in the perimeter. Make it more challenging to the guy at least.

by T.Moore on Apr 20, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good post.

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by Rose Colored Goggles on Apr 20, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

He’s got more stupid antics than Chad Johnson

No sorry. That’s not even close.

It would seem to me, that you feel threatened by the Eric Ghiaciuc acquisition.

by johnnyphoenix on Apr 20, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

If there is a player who can outshine Jordan that guy is Lebron

and this bulls team gives him a much bigger chance than the Cavs

by JustAnotherFan on Apr 22, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Deng Love?

Ya..he played good ..for a whinny fuck. BUT HE SO WEAK! If he had any game left in him, he would have made that shot in the 4th that would have made us gain monentum…same as Rose, he balled till the end and looked completely loss for a minute and dribble like a damn fool (no pants on the ground). Noah kept us in…all game. Love the post yfbb, but i gotta disagree on Deng. Matter of fact, any deng fan should feel ashamed right now

by Belize on Apr 20, 2010 1:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Ashamed of what

the 20 points, 6 boards, 5 dimes and a block? Deng is good. He’s just no Lebron. Don’t blame him for that. No one can stop LBJ. It’s simple get Wade at FA and Deng will look good. Get LBJ and Deng will be traded. Get no one and the Bulls will continue to lose.

by JustAnotherFan on Apr 22, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent use

of the “Paul Pierce ceremonial wheelchair” reference.

Is Jerry Angelo fired yet?
Is Vinny Del Negro fired yet?

by ES46NE10 on Apr 20, 2010 1:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Rec'd for the great caption

I actually agree with you that the Bulls played about as well as they can play. I was very proud of the way they kept battling and never backed down. I also want to give VDN some credit for actually playing JJ on Lebron and not playing Pargo at all. That said, this game just illustrates how much better the Cavs are as a team and the inevitability of a short series. I’m still hoping to at least avoid a sweep. All of this national attention, I believe, can only help for the summer (which is at that matters at this point) as it perpetuates the ‘team on the rise’ view of us.

Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

by bigballa10 on Apr 20, 2010 2:02 PM CDT reply actions  

JJ & Deng

Have JJ & Deng ever been on the court at the same time?

Noah, Deng, JJ, Kirk, Rose

Deng can guard Jamison
JJ can try Lebron.

Watching Loul try to stay with Lebron is just sad.

by Jesse07 on Apr 20, 2010 3:07 PM CDT reply actions  

It wasn't bad at all

I love that tenacity. He knows he’s probably going to get burned but he’s saying fuck it regardless

by OwlNotebook on Apr 20, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually

it looks to me like the JJ/Deng combo kind of confuses LeBron. JJ comes out all aggresive and pisses him off, and then Deng comes out and fakes contact a lot. It seems like it throws Bron off (when he’s not in FU Mode) because he’s expecting Deng to body him when he doesn’t. Deng still contests well and he has the size to at least try to slow LeBron down.

I would say that Deng defends Bron about as well as one can.

"I want people to fear me"- Derrick Rose.
"That boy is BAD"- Stacey King.

by Cosmis on Apr 20, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

here is what I would do

Every 7 minutes change up Deng and JJ. But then it will throw off our offense. UGH

by T.Moore on Apr 20, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lebron

didn’t look to confused to me

by Jesse07 on Apr 20, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe not

in the 4th, but in the first half especially, it seemed to…bother him a bit.

Confused is a strong word, but he definitely seemed a little bothered.

"I want people to fear me"- Derrick Rose.
"That boy is BAD"- Stacey King.

by Cosmis on Apr 22, 2010 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I contend that this version of "going small"

is better than any version that has Pargo on the floor or Flip at the 3

by torch on Apr 21, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

First post ever on blogabull!

Hello everyone! My first post! I am really excited for this team after a run at the end of the season and especially for the next few seasons. First things first, the other players, particularly Gibson and Hinrich are gonna have to step up and help Rose and Noah if the Bulls want to even this series at home. Chances on evening the series?

by BullsFan22 on Apr 20, 2010 6:10 PM CDT reply actions  

LeBron is tearing the Bulls defense apart

Deng just looks way too slow like he is still relying on his injury as an excuse for his poor performances.

by ap3604 on Apr 20, 2010 7:11 PM CDT reply actions  

ow come on

You really gonna blame this on Deng?! The guy played well. Ok, come on genius. Who do you think can stop LBJ?

by JustAnotherFan on Apr 22, 2010 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm actually PLEASED...

… with the way the Bulls played in Game 2. Sure LeBron had a dynamite game (which is to be expected…)- but it was those 3’s by Jamario Moon that killed us in the end. I think this game also made me miss the hell out of Ben Gordon, too! We sure could’ve used those clutch 3’s to answer back when Moon hit his, as a way to “punch ’em right back in the mouth”, and test his confidence to see if he really WAS that hot, so to speak. Bottomline, the lack of perimeter ‘D’ on those 3’s hurt us- BUT our guys showed me that they really have what it takes to win. Am i saying that we can beat the Cavs? Sure we can, but we’d have to play just a little better than we did on Monday. With sustained defensive stops, and continued continuity on the offensive end. I know we’ll get one at home, maybe TWO. We’ll soon see. GO BULLS!

J.I.

by Jeye15 The Legend on Apr 21, 2010 3:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't get missing Ben Gordon

When I watch the game… all I think about is how great it would be if we had Chris Bosh or Amare Stoudemire, along with a role playing SG who can hit a 3. With Ben Gordon all I see is a team that might have made it to the second round.

Considering in your opinion it was the lack of perimiter D on the 3’s that hurt us, I think it’s safe to say Ben Gordon wasn’t going to fix the problem.

"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times

by Grinder in Training on Apr 21, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Title should be:

Game Two Recap: Bulls play nearly their best, Lebron play his better

by JustAnotherFan on Apr 22, 2010 8:25 AM CDT reply actions  

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