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Scattered Thoughts on the Bulls game one loss

CLEVELAND - APRIL 17: Head coach Vinny Del Negro of the Chicago Bulls signals the games remaining in his coaching career during the 2010 NBA Playoffs at Quicken Loans Arena on April 17, 2010 in Cleveland, Ohio. Cleveland won the game 96-83 to take a 1-0 series lead.   (Photo by Gregory Shamus/Getty Images)

Pace Eff eFG FT/FG OREB% TOr
Chicago 95.0 87.4 43.1% 9.2 15.9 14.7
Cleveland 101.1 50.0% 14.3 29.5 18.9



Switching into bullet mode:

  • As for my overall impressions first: There were times in the game, especially early, where the Bulls looked completely outclassed. Though whether it was a cause of the Cavs letting up or not, the fact that it became close can only help the Bulls confidence in the series. Though I wouldn't look at it as some kind of grand effect, as this team all season has been one that's kept their heads when they could've been discouraged.
  • And an argument in tandem of that: it's lazy to fault the Bulls' effort in instances where they're down big in this series, like the unhired coach wannabee Mark Jackson tried when describing a lack of 'playoff intensity' in the first half, as it's more of a case of the talent deficiency. The Cavs are loaded, when they play their best the Bulls have no chance. It's not because they have some kind of sporadic effort, and if you've watched this team all season you know that there may have only been a couple times where effort was in question: it's usually talent.
  • Speaking of Jackson and Van Gundy, they almost made me long for the local call, because as much as Neil and Stacy drift from calling the game, with the ABC crew it was an epidemic. When it came to discussion over the VDN-Pax incident, the game was completely ignored for 10 minutes. Though I did agree with their sentiments that it was a big deal, and Van Gundy's point about the Bulls screwing themselves by not at least appearing to be more behind Vinny (even if they aren't) was spot on.
  • It is continually amazing how Derrick Rose can achieve All-Star status, and a burgeoning superstar reputation, and still not get foul calls. In contrast to LeBron James it's even more startling. And that's not to say LeBron doesn't get fouled, just that Rose does too and only one trip to the line in a game where he put up 28 shots shouldn't even be possible. Rose tried his best to carry the offensive load and I'm actually a bit worried that he was hitting shots with such high degree of difficulty that are unlikely to be repeated much in this series. Then again, that's sort of what he does.
  • I also thought some of the off-the-ball calls on Noah were unfortunate, and really screwed with what he was able to contribute. The Cavs absolutely dominated the offensive glass and that can't happen. Vinny needs to consider starting Brad Miller alongside Noah to keep Joakim away from Shaq for the minutes he's on the court. It's not as if Shaq will play too much as he returns from injury (though I was surprised he even got over 20 minutes in his first game back), and the biggest guaranteed stints are to start each half. To match up Miller with Shaq as much as possible, Miller has to start.
  • This definitely wasn't 'the monster' LeBron had promised, either from himself or his team as a whole. James was unspectacular outside of his 4 blocks (and annoying histrionics), and the Bulls were committed to over-helping on his drive. That left wide open (honestly, as much as the Bulls 'scorers' get looks due to Rose, it is no comparison to what these Cavs see on every shot) Cavaliers that did not effectively punish the Bulls, going 6-23 from three. That's a stat I'd worry about not repeating.
  • Meanwhile the Bulls should be able to get more out of their secondary options than they did in game one. Kirk Hinrich played 44 minutes and scored 8 points. Luol Deng was awful all game, and it's frustrating that Rose even considers passing to Deng while he stands 22 feet from the rim when Rose  can instead continue towards the rim himself (maybe he's sick of the no-calls?). And when Deng drives, it seems like he loses the ball (as in, not blocked or fouled but the ball is gone before the shot is even up) more than any player of his caliber in the league. Not big news to anyone to say that for them to have a chance the Bulls need than just Derrick Rose to provide a threat, but that's been a season-long problem.
  • Vinny started Rose on Anthony Parker and Hinrich on Mo Williams, which is the right move. Early in the game the Cavs went right to Parker who lost Rose behind an off-the-ball screen (this is a no-Rose-bashing zone, but he is still awful at fighting through screens), but if the Cavs want to go to Anthony Parker more, that's a great strategy from the Bulls standpoint.
  • Though LeBron did have a quiet game, a James Johnson DNP is still disappointing. Vinny went to Hakim Warrick in the first half for 9 minutes and he did decent job against Jamison, but I would've preferred Johnson got that call on LeBron and gave Deng a relative rest to guard Antawn. And would also prefer that Pargo got no call, as his initial 2 minutes of time was not in garbage time. Another strange VDN rotation choice was playing the starting lineup the first 14+ minutes of the second half, but overall Vinny's rotations won't make much a difference as it is so shallow in the first place. We'll still have the cliche-gasm every time they mic him up, and that's fun. (Actually the stuff they didn't show on TV was pretty interesting, namely VDN's insistence on keeping the pace low and making the Cavs work defensively. I don't think that will work given the Bulls terrible set offense, but at least it's a strategy).
  • I still see a way for the Bulls to take a game, as long as they keep it close: Rose can take over a few late possessions and the rest of either side won't matter. But there was also a lot to see in game one that suggests that the Bulls will be blown out a couple times this series too. With all that went wrong (or willingly dormant) for the Cavs they still won by 13, and terrible offensive performances by the Bulls are more the norm than the exception.

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I wonder if Vinny will have the stones to actually start Miller

on Shaq. Probably Pax’s decision anyway.

Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.

-- Scottie Pippen

by Orlando Woolridge on Apr 18, 2010 3:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Luol Deng was awful all game

for once, will you actually focus on how the players defend? jesus f’ing krrrrrist!

van gundy even took time away from his lebron knob drooling to mention deng was doing good defensively.

"Let's do some living... after we die"

by marionette on Apr 18, 2010 3:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Deng is the Bulls 2nd leading scorer

he needs to at least get his average if the Bulls have any chance. 12 pts on 5-15 from the field won’t cut it. The Bulls got killed on the boards – Luol played 39 minutes and grabbed 6 rebounds. We need more from him, he needs to play at a near all-star level.

by Basketball Smurf on Apr 18, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

if the bulls have any chance?

to do what? to win a game before cleveland wins their 4?

"Let's do some living... after we die"

by marionette on Apr 18, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, to win a game

he needs to play well on offense and rebound better… Since the Bulls are almost assured of losing the series, should we not expect Deng to ever play well? I don’t get your point.

by Basketball Smurf on Apr 18, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I said they did a good job on James

and I led with the offense.

Hey you don’t need to come after me if it’s some Deng-persecution complex. I’m on your side there.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 18, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

You act like Lebron scored 10 pts or something

I’ll never for the life of me understand the exceptions made for Luol Deng. And to think some fans slammed BG for his lack of defense and size. Yet it’s ok for Luol to score 12pts in a playoff game?? Give me a break. His missed free throws alone was enough to have him put on the bench and replaced with JJ.

by Dils on Apr 18, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nobody, and I mean NOBODY on this planet is going to hold Lebron to 10 points.

by kingles on Apr 18, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right but it's not like

Deng had some transcendent performance against Lebron like Pippen did on Magic where it’s acceptable for him to go 5-15 for 12 pts.

by Dils on Apr 18, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if it’s “unacceptable” for Deng to go 5-15 for 12 points
but it’s going to be difficult for the Bulls to win any games if he keeps doing it.

I think they need to mix JJ in a little more against Lebron to give him a different and more physical style to deal with. However, even in these situations I wouldn’t advocate decreasing Deng’s minutes. Instead i’d give him a few extra minutes at the 4 against Jamison. The bottom line is that the Bulls can’t afford to take Deng off the floor for OFFENSIVE reasons. Deng is their 2nd leading scorer, and JJ isn’t going to replace his scoring. JJ basically averages 12pts.-6reb per 36min…the very numbers you say were unacceptable for Deng.

by kingles on Apr 18, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Deng’s defense was OK but unspectacular. Lebron was “held” under his season average, but he took his foot off the gas well before this game was over. I’m not going to say that Deng’s D was bad on Saturday, but I don’t see why people are praising it.

As the BG haters like to say, you have to play on 2 ends of the court. 33% from the field and 40% from the line is a joke. This loser takes 22 footers all day but attempts no 3s. Zero assists but 2 turnovers and he had 4 of his shots blocked. That line is pitiful and would be pitiful even if he held Lebron to 10 points.

Good thing we only have him through 2014!

by Stay Chisel on Apr 18, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

..
Good thing we only have him through 2014!

i just threw up in my mouth a little bit

"I'm going to enjoy an apple in bed." - Derrick Rose

by E-Grizzle on Apr 18, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Luol was being guarded by LeBron

Luol is mediocre offensively against average defenders. Against a very good defender his game yesterday was expected.

LeBron’s great, that matchup is going to be lopsided. But LeBron’s also a 31.1 PER player who had a 20.4 PER yesterday. Deng wasn’t the reason we lost.

by YaoPau on Apr 18, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

YaoPau..

I respect your stat prowess. You are light years ahead of me my friend. But seriously, could you explain to me how our starting SF, playing 39 minutes who goes 5-15 from the field, who grabs 6 rebs in those 39 mins, get 2 TOs and misses more freethrows than he made not be, if not the main reason, a huge factor in that lost? Per or whatever the case, Deng’s counterpart got 24/6/5.

by Dils on Apr 18, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Deng is a huge underdog in that matchup

If Baltimore’s defense gives up 200 yards and a touchdown to Peyton Manning, that’s a good job by them.

We have the advantage at PG, and Rose outplayed Mo Williams.
We have the advantage at SG (somehow), and Kirk stats beat Parker + Delonte combined.
It’s at least a wash at Center, and Noah + Miller were about a wash with Shaq + Ilgauskas + a part of Varejao

So we hold an overall advantage at those positions, and that was our advantage yesterday, meaning as long as we hold our own at PF, we can afford to lose at SF and still win.

But at PF…

42 minutes, 12points, 5 rebounds, 1 steal, 0 blocks <- Taj (33min)+ Warrick (9 min)
42 minutes, 15points, 16 rebounds, 2 steals, 3 blocks <- Varejao + Jamison, scaled to 42 minutes (since I don’t know what stats they got at PF vs. SF/C)

For the game we got outrebounded by 12, and the difference at PF alone was 11ish. That shouldn’t happen. On the other game thread everyone was on Varejao’s nuts, but Taj has been a 15 PER, 10reb-per-36, good defense player since January, and yesterday he wasn’t any of that.

Luol is going to lose to LeBron 95 times out of 100. That’s going to happen all series, and I’m not going to slam Luol for playing to his capabilities. Taj played way under it.

by YaoPau on Apr 18, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Eh, Deng is supposedly a "two way player"

And on a team that needs scoring more than defense (marginally) they have no chance if Deng isn’t pitching in with some fairly efficient offense

Deng is clearly injured though; he is playing below the rim — but he’s always injured or fighting and injury this time of year. It’s just who he is. I wish the Bulls hadn’t signed him to that deal but whatever.

In this series though if Deng doesn’t score than they have no shot to win more than 1 game. They played fine defense but Lebron and Cavs coasted to victory because the Bulls (as usual) couldn’t score outside of Rose’s herculean efforts.

by madvillian on Apr 18, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I don’t want to hear about Deng’s defense and rebounding excluding him from having to score when Gerald Wallace can go and get 22 and 15 and be a force on the court on both ends. Deng is just a bad investment in every sense of the word.

by Dils on Apr 18, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

totally. we should trade deng for wallace.

there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.

-MPG

by TheMoon on Apr 18, 2010 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shhh, then you'd have to mention how Gerald Wallace is even more injury prone

And actually can’t shoot. That would take all the fun in assuming every SF is perfect compared to Luol Deng.

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 18, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Bleh

The more I think about it, there really isn’t a single “complete” SF in the NBA. In the NBA, there are SFs who are really good shooters (Korver, Peja). There are SFs that are really good at slashing and finishing (Deng). There are SFs who can post up (Melo). There are “point forwards” that can handle and distribute (Pierce). There are SFs that are really good man-to-man perimeter defenders (Deng). There are SFs who are really good help defenders (Wallace). Most SFs in the NBA only really do 2-3 of those things well. The only guy that I can think of that does more than 2-3 of those things at a high level is Lebron. Because there’s such a wide variety of types of players who play the 3, being a “complete SF” is essentially the same thing as being the perfect basketball player, and guys who fit that bill are once-in-a-generation talents.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Apr 18, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'll take the one-trick Durant

I like the “scoring the most points in the league” trick

by Basketball Smurf on Apr 19, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd take Melo or Durant (which isn't a choice I'd mind making)

I just like Melo’s game more than I like Durant’s. Durant seems like he can get pushed around sometimes because he’s so skinny (i.e. Ron Artest)

by Stacey_Is_King on Apr 19, 2010 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

its pretty simple for me. deng is not the wing player of my dreams, but the bulls could

only trade him for worse— albeit cheaper— players (like pietrus). this bulls team does not need worse players. so we’re stuck with him. hes not gerald wallace, but hes a hell of a lot better than guys rasual butler or ariza or marvin williams (to name a few $6M SFs).

there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.

-MPG

by TheMoon on Apr 19, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Trust me

Compared to Luol Deng….They are

by Dils on Apr 19, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

what was Deng's PER?

nevermind. games aren’t decided by PER differential. If we can’t ever expect Luol to get his average against Lebron than … I don’t know. I didn’t realize that Lebron James had morphed into Scottie Pippen and John Havlicek rolled into 1. But if we are just going to concede that our 2nd best offensive player is doomed to 33% shooting and 10 ppg than I don’t know how anyone could conclude he is a credible 2nd or 3rd option. He has to find a way to contribute and score. Whether that means hitting more jumpers or getting on the offensive boards.

by Basketball Smurf on Apr 18, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

Sorry i’m on a Deng slamming soapbox but look at what Gerald Wallace is doing right now. He’s got like 16 rebounds with Howard on the floor. Plus he can dribble and shoot. That’s what a SF making 71 million is suppose to look like. Not being given a million statistical excuses every year. Rose deserves to play with someone like that.

by Dils on Apr 18, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lebron was 1st team all-defense last year

If Rose goes up against an average defensive PG, you’d expect him to do better than he would against Russell Westbrook.

Should Luol have been a bit better on offense, sure. But I wouldn’t expect him to hold LeBron to a 20 PER for the rest of this series either. It’s a trade off.

by YaoPau on Apr 18, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let me get one thing straight

Deng scores 12 points, and you claim he had a horrible game and that we should replace if with JJ, a guy who averages 12.2 points/36 minutes. How on earth does that make sense. Deng, at his worst, is a guy who’ll still give you 12 points, and JJ averages that much. So why on earth should we play JJ instead? The only argument in favor of that is if you think JJ is head and shoulders better than Deng defensively, which anybody with half a brain knows isn’t true.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Apr 18, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Deng scored 12 points on 5 of 15 shooting

I personally believe that JJ can be used in some of those 39 minutes that it took Deng to get those stats he got. Why? Because I believe he presents a defensive challenge for Lebron or at the very least is a body that can be used to defend him. Then perhaps maybe Deng can be used to defend Jamison which he probably matches up better against.

Also I fell JJ is a better dribbler and can take the ball up court in transition where Deng has problems doing so. Also I don’t know why you feel it would be such a shock for JJ to go and get the same numbers or even better than what Deng did. That’s the whole point. Deng ISN’T the player we want him to be. He IS the player that got 12 and 6 in 39 minutes of basketball so why not use another player for some of those minutes where he can add another dimension to the position and then Deng can be used in other ways like playing him at PF.

One more thing… Luol Deng is not Scottie Pippen. He’s not Bruce Bowen. he’s not the defensive stopper that some act like he is. So to me I don’t see why someone has to have half a brain to assume that there may not be as much or a drop off defensively by giving JJ some real minutes. Vinnie seems to think there’s a drop off for some reason and I for one am not inclined to agree with Vinnie on too much of anything.

by Dils on Apr 18, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will respond in 2 parts

First his offense. Yes he only got 12 and 6. He had a bad night. But statistically speaking, those nights don’t happen too often. Only 18 out of 70 games has Deng shot under 40% from the field. James Johnson has done it 32/65 times. JJ is much more likely to have a 5/15 game than Deng. And if JJ’s a better dribbler, how come his Turnover % is almost twice as high as Deng’s (20.4 to 10.4). It’s obvious that JJ is nowhere near as effective as Deng on the offensive end.

Next, his defense. I’m not the biggest believer in defensive statistics, but advanced metrics such as dMult and defensive WARP show Deng to be an elite defender. At least one guy who believes in defensive metrics lists Deng as one of the top defenders in the league . And anecdotally I think it should be obvious that Deng is a better defender than JJ. JJ might be a little more athletic, but his edge in that department is marginal at best, and Deng is a much smarter defender, and defense is as much about effort and awareness as athleticism.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Apr 18, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

There you go..

Using stats to rationalize Dengs play. I’m not going to argue with numbers. Because this isn’t Baseball where numbers can be projected into actual play on the field. This is Basketball. I know what im looking at. Im looking at a guy who barely finishes a season and when he actually does finish one, he wants complain about his injuries like he did on Sunday. There are so many excuses made for this guy. No he isn’t an exceptional defender. I don’t see ant 2nd defensive team honors coming to this guy anytime soon.

I know what his stats say. What I want to know is what does his heart say. What does his play say in the last 8 minutes of a ball game. What does his play say in any playoff game that isn’t 2006. That’s what matters to me. He’s going to have to play great tonight. He’s going to have to give us 18-22 pts tonight, pull down 8-10 rebounds, and defend either Lebron or Jamison to the best of his ability. Why? Because his team needs him too. And he has a contract that indicates that he should be the type of player that we can expect that from. My point is screw his stats. It’s time to expect a lot more out of Luol Deng.

by Dils on Apr 19, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Golly, if we can't use stats to "rationalize" play

What can we do? Just make shit up as we go along?

If you screw everyone’s stats, then there’s really not much to talk about now is there?

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 19, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

"I’m not going to argue with numbers."

Well that’s exactly what you’re doing. Stats aren’t perfect, but they’re the best we got in terms of cold, objective analysis. In basketball, you win by scoring more points than the other team. And you score more points than the other team by shooting efficiently, grabbing more rebounds, passing the ball better, and turning the ball over less. All of those things are measured by statistics, quite well in fact. Yeah, there’s more to it than that, but you can’t tell me that James Johnson will be a more efficient scorer than Deng, because that’s a patently false statement that is completely contradicted by cold hard evidence. The problem with “knowing what you’re looking at” is that 10 guys can look at the same thing and “know what they’re looking at” and come to completely different conclusions. If you don’t understand that concept, you’re an idiot, and there’s no point in discussing things further with you.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Apr 19, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Inferring Im an idiot? Nice

If we’re just talking sports and the value of Luol Deng, I don’t see why you you’ve got your draws in a bunch about the criticism of his stats but that’s fine. You don’t need to reply to my last comment on the subject.

Nobody’s arguing what a stat is. What I do find it funny that anyone who defends Luol Deng’s play seems to rely on nothing but stats to rationalize what he does well and what he doesn’t as it relates to helping this basketball team. Assuming that JJ can’t be efficient or add something to the position based on the amount of play he’s had it’s what’s idiotic to me. And I didn’t start out as a JJ fan to begin with. But I do believe he could be of value in this series. To me Deng’s play didn’t justify JJ not playing at all in the game and he could’ve helped. That was my opinion.

by Dils on Apr 19, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I apologize if you feel I insulted you.

All I’m saying is that if you don’t see the flaws of subjectively “looking at what you see,” it’s not worth my time arguing with you. I could sit here and tell you all day what I see when I look at Deng: a good complementary player who moves well without the ball, scores effectively, and plays stellar defense. But then it comes down to what I believe vs. what you believe, and that leads nowhere. Stats bridge the gap between different subjective opinions, and in this case, the stats give more credence to my beliefs than yours.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Apr 19, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd take Neil Funk any day over the ABC guys

I just don’t like ‘em. And yes, I realize this matter is secondary, but it’s bad enough to watch the Bulls get annihilated, let alone have to listen to Mike Breen ref the game from his announcer’s chair while JVG and Mark Jackson give us their groundbreaking game insight / fight over potential coaching jobs.

by ToroToroToro on Apr 18, 2010 3:50 PM CDT reply actions  

The other 3 ABC games were much better called.

It’s sad that the most intelligent analyst on the network (Hubie Brown) can’t even make it onto the premiere telecasts.

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 18, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

breen is a fine announcer man, and jackson and van gundy or fine as well

i have no problem with them, Funk and King and much worse IMO. Breen admits when he screws up, which might be often, but he has zero ego, which I appreciate.

it’s an actual working version of the “quircky” booth MNF was trying for so long.

Now, if you really want to get me started lets talk about the halftime show…what an effing joke.

by madvillian on Apr 18, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not quirky, they're stupid and don't talk about the actual game.

Get Mark Jackson out of that booth and it’d probably improve, but Breen is pretty bad at actually fulfilling his job requirements.

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 18, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be Reggie Miller

Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

by bigballa10 on Apr 18, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

It could be worse

Avery johnson could do the games and i can’t understand a word he’s saying, it sounds like his talking with food or something in his mouth.

by Jermal on Apr 18, 2010 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Breen is infinitely less biased than Funk and Stacey when it comes to calling games

But he tries to “get it right” from the announcer’s seat, which I find annoying. Call the damn game, don’t play ref. I love Marv Albert, and I’d like to think it’s because he comes nowhere close to doing what Mike Breen does: second-guessing the action on the floor instead of calling the game.

by ToroToroToro on Apr 18, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like them both because they're honest

and not idiots. They won’t make retarded claims a la Reggie Miller. But I really like Hubie Brown making the calls….just seems to have X’s and O’s down pat.

by Stacey_Is_King on Apr 19, 2010 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

As I watch the Lakers/Thunder game,

it makes me realize something… Rose is better then we think. Look at the amount of free throws guys like Durant, Kobe, and Lebron get. Then look at the players they have around them as well. Taking nothing away from these guys, but what Rose did this year with the coach he has, his surrounding cast, a non scoring 2 guard at his side, doing it from the PG position, and with the lack of free throw attempts, has been amazing. He’s definitely exceeded my expectations and yesterday’s game was one of his best.

by Dils on Apr 18, 2010 4:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

Imagine where he would be if he was taught to play defense. Last year I would of said Westbrook was ahead of him but this past month he has taken his game to be one of the elite players in the league.

by diedaily23 on Apr 18, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

I think the defense will come with Rose. He has flashes at times. No excuses but I just think that his load is so much in other areas that is affects that part of his game. As far as Westbrook, I like his game but it does help to play with Durant. lol

by Dils on Apr 18, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

the defense WILL come

our biggest issue with him last year? his mid range jump shot. boom he fixes it (and even comes up with 3 point shot out of nowhere)…… now its defense. i bet he focuses on that during this off season, and continues to develop his 3pt shot. when we also get bosh in the summer, we come back next year instant contenders…..

Practice beats talent when talent doesn't practice.

by iamsasquatch on Apr 18, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Completely agree

on the shit ABC coverage. They just decided it was OK to spend that much time talking about Vinny while the game was going on? And ignore the game? Has the Bulls’ stock really fallen that low? Don’t answer that question.

Given our extraordinarily poor shot selection, defensive sluggishness, and overall look of just disinterest–there were moments in the first half where we weren’t playing the Cavs as much as watching the Cavs play around us at maybe 50% of their capacity–I’m frankly a little bit encouraged that we only lost by 13.

by OwlNotebook on Apr 18, 2010 4:13 PM CDT reply actions  

The turnovers were huge in the first half.

The most inconsistent part of Rose’s game is his turnovers, but generally if he has a bad game in terms of turnovers he comes back soon after to play a cleaner game. As much as we can expect the Cavs to hit more threes, we can expect Rose and crew to get into a better offensive flow that limits the turnovers.

Bosh or Bust

by JockstrapNoah on Apr 18, 2010 5:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Rose had the ball his hands so much that I'm fine with the TOs

one of them was a play Noah gave him the ball out of bounds, another was what should have been a foul…you handle the ball that much and make that many plays turnovers are going to happen.

much rather he force the issue than watch the bunch of inept clowns garpax has surrouned him with try and win it.

and on his defense yeea, it’s mediocre at best, but his burden on offense is so rediuclously huge on this team I give him a pass. He’s much better than last year and has improved to “about average”, that’s fine for where he is careerwise.

oh and on a side note Simmons updated rose to 6th most valuable asset in the league in his latest column. That’s uh, pretty high, but I’m sure many of his that watch Rose every game would probably agree.

by madvillian on Apr 18, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I'm fine with it too.

But part of being fine with is knowing that he won’t average 7 TOs per game this series. Its a reason for optimism.

Bosh or Bust

by JockstrapNoah on Apr 18, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a problem with everyone employed by the NBA league office grabbing their ankles every time Lebron's in the building

it impairs the officials’ ability to call the game when they’re staring at the floor.

Not giving Rose a single call in the lane in so inexcusable it should be looked at as tampering. But it won’t.

"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak

by Rose Colored Goggles on Apr 19, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

good scattered thoughts.

but you should have more pictures, cause your captions are hilarious

Practice beats talent when talent doesn't practice.

by iamsasquatch on Apr 18, 2010 5:25 PM CDT reply actions  

off topic, but we need shooters next season

Next season bulls need to bench kirk and deng or trade them

by summeralicia20111 on Apr 18, 2010 5:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Next season will be fun!

Hopefully a real coach with some better players.

Luol Deng 24 going on 54.

by SoulEater7 on Apr 18, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm afraid who our coach will be after the VDN-Pax thing

Probably another guy who will fit in perfectly with the Org. This is why we didn’t get D’Antoni; he would’ve clashed with Paxdorf over GM stuff.

by ToroToroToro on Apr 18, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our next coach will be...

Jeff Hornacek.

"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak

by Rose Colored Goggles on Apr 19, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

One more reason to start Miller:

It forces Jamison to try to box out Noah. Our second best offensive option right now might just be Noah put-backs off of Deng and Hinrich clankers.

by L. Toro on Apr 18, 2010 6:49 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Time to step up

Other than rose and noah, everyone else were pretty bad. If deng is hurt, then he shouldn’t be playing, because since he came back from his injury, he has been terrible. Hinrich has at least shown flashes of good play this month. Deng is the highest paid player on this team and needs to start to play like it and earn his money, if not then get the f__ck off this team and needs to be traded this offseason. I can’t remember the last time deng play really well or took over a game or scored at least 30 points, hinrch has done it, why the f__ck deng doesn’t or does he needs to spend more time working on his average game in practice.

by Jermal on Apr 18, 2010 7:40 PM CDT reply actions  

i was dissapointed with noah in the first half

its not the fouls, but it was…there was a few possesions where he literally lost track of the ball or his man when he was playing defense which…is not the noah i know. In the first half before his fouls he seemed a bit timid, the same energy he brought with him on normal occasions wasnt there….

I didnt see the second half (work) but from what i saw, and it may seem im being biased, but im not…hinrich was like the only one really playing defense. He didnt have offense (surprise surprise) but his defense was definetly there (despite the weak foul on shaq) its just too bad he isnt 6’6 because its not the guards that really make the cavs go. Luol deng has been a dissapointment since his injury, and even if u take the excuse of the injury, he really is a problem contract since i question if he can go through anymore 82 game seasons…

I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!

by piccolomair on Apr 18, 2010 7:42 PM CDT reply actions  

I just think Noah was distracted and discouraged
 by the hopeless physical mismatch against Mount Shaq. He looked more like himself later in the game.

by kingles on Apr 19, 2010 4:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

The had no dunks

LeRose, LeNoah, LeDeng, LeTaj, LeKurt, LeBrad, LeParg, LeFlip, LeJJ, LeDelNegro...

by headphones on Apr 18, 2010 11:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Luol Deng

One guy who doesn’t watch ESPN highlights, I guess.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Apr 19, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

The one thought I had

was how Rose just couldn’t get a whistle. Vinny should try to pull a Phil Jackson (risking a fine) and point this out emphatically to the media. Several times, there was CLEAR contact with no call, and then on the other side there’s minimal contact (not obvious) but they made the call. And it’s not like this was isolated to one game – for some reason they never give Rose the benefit of the call.

by kozzer on Apr 19, 2010 9:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Vinny is not good at working the refs.

Which seems like a pre-req to winning a championship. LeBron? Very good at intimidating the refs. Its sickening that it works.

Bosh or Bust

by JockstrapNoah on Apr 19, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

The lack of calls for Rose is getting mind-bogglingly frustrating

and at this point I feel like they’re so used to him being polite and quiet that if he starts complaining they’ll just fault him for it and start hitting him with T’s.

"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak

by Rose Colored Goggles on Apr 19, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Loving the gentle shit-talking

in the press the last few days. Miller not-that-subtly talking about how Shaq used to be a lot tougher:

"He’s still Shaq, but I tell all these guys all the time, you should have seen what he was like a few years ago. Every possession underneath, it was bang, bang."

Noah on Cleveland as a city:

"I don’t know about Cleveland, man, there’s nothing going on," Noah said when asked how he might spend the remainder of a chilly, cloudy day downtown. "It’s bad."

And the priceless follow-up:

“He was then asked if his dislike motivates him.

"What, that Cleveland really sucks?" he said."

love it

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/preview;_ylt=AqXd1UxJShzjvqesSuoL7Hq8vLYF?gid=2010041905

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;ylt=AmQJTPIkGpFKhBbQiHdV6q8vLYF?slug=ap-bulls-noahscomments

by OwlNotebook on Apr 19, 2010 4:44 PM CDT reply actions  

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