David Stern places revised '10-'11 cap figure at $56.1 million, a boon to teams pursuing free agents. #NBA
Capologists, does this give us room to throw, say, $4 mil/yr at a guy like Morrow in addition to a max free agent?
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good. rose, noah and joe johnson are going to need all the help they can get.
there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.
-MPG
I believe the Bulls have about $35.1 million
in commitments and holds, including the #17 pick salary figure. That would put them $22 milion under. I believe LeBron, Wade & Bosh, for example, have a max of $16.6 million, which would leave about $5.4 million. Johnson has a max of $15.7 million, which would leave $6.3 million.
I’m not an expert either so someone correct me if I’m wrong.
For the Deng haters
this also means that if they could have mangaged to pawn him off for expirings they could have signed 2 max. Not that that was necessarily possible.
Or Hinrich.
Luol Deng 24 going on 54.
by SoulEater7 on Apr 16, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think you have to be a "Deng hater" to see that that would have been a really good thing
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 17, 2010 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Max is 16.5 million for almost all the top FA targets, including Johnson.
You also didn’t factor in our 1st round pick or the cap holds we’ll have for our empty roster spot. We’ll have about 3.5 million to spend on a FA after all that’s done.
Brad Miller is god.
Why is Johnson $16.5?
I did factor in the cap holds and the 1st rd pick. I did subtract wrong, though.
1. Deng – $11,355,850
2. Hinrich – $9,000,000
3. Rose – $5,545,160
4. Noah – $3,128,536
5. Johnson – $1,713,600
6. Gibson – $1,117,680
Total – $31,860,826
7. #17 pick – $1,302,600
8. Hold – $473,604
9. Hold – $473,604
10. Hold – $473,604
11. Hold – $473,604
12. FA
Total – $3,197016
Grand Total – $35,057,842
Salary Cap – $56,100,000
Grand Total – $35,057,842
Cap Space – $21,042,158
Max Contract – $16,600,000
Total after max – $4,442,158
That's just how the rules work - 16.5 million is the max we can give him
There’s one more hold since you’re required to have 13 roster spots filled. Other than that though, youre right, so we’ll have just under 4 mil. You originally posted 6.3 mil, so I was claiming that was wrong.
Brad Miller is god.
I see from below about Johnson
I forgot about using the BRI instead of the cap, i was just using the 105%.
The roster requirement is 12, though, I’m certain.
So it is closer to $5 million, as Doug posted below
The $4.4 million I posted plus the extra cap hold that would no longer be needed. (i.e. 3 holds instead of 4)
Yeah at least he can shoot.
I would rahter have Morrow or Fernandez, but we all can dream right lol.
Wade 2010!!!!!
fernandez>>>>>>>>>
granted id take a bunch of players from the warriors: buike, randolph and marrow. i dream of curry while eating curry goat
I wouldn't be surprised if the Bulls didn't even know who Anthony Morrow was
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 16, 2010 2:16 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
just remember, while we think "awesome, now bosh and morrow"
the bulls are probably think “great, joe johnson and brad miller!”
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by Calogero on Apr 16, 2010 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I think this puts a couple more teams in the max player sweepstakes
I remember a truehoop article saying some teams were just short of having the cap room.
Okay I found it
OKC is very close, I think just short. If they can trade for a non-guaranteed contract, watch out. Kings, Clippers, Wolves now in the mix, although I’m not too worried about them.
One thing we all forgot with this salary cap thing is that the NBA could always fudge their income numbers for their own benefit. The league had no incentive to drastically cut the salary cap.
they did have an incenctive to pretend it was going down
so they could cry poor before CBA negotiations
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 16, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well the teams did
Stern wants parity and to keep the world’s best talent.
He wants a certain amount of parity...
but especially if the big markets aren’t doing well.
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by Super-Structure on Apr 16, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
OKC clearly is the most appealing spot.
I don’t know much about the area, but the team is stacked with top-shelf talent. If they keep the same team next season, they’ll surely be better. Add in a Wade/Bosh/Lebron type and that’s a dynasty.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Bosh doesn't want to be second fiddle in a smaller market.
He sounded reticent about signing as a number two guy in that last interview
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by Super-Structure on Apr 16, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Problem is if they sign a max guy, they'll have a problem paying off Durant, Westbrook and Green because all of those guys are up for extension in the next 3 years.
And a small-market team like them isn’t gonna be able to go deep into the tax. If its one of the big 3, they’re in the mix, but signing Amare/JJ/Boozer could be a complete disaster for them.
Also, who wants to play in Oklahoma?
Brad Miller is god.
Wow
If OKC gets any max FA… that’s a 60+ win team.
"What the fuck man?! GAD DAYUM!" -Ben Gordon, after being fouled by Chris Bosh, with no call.
Come back home, Ben.
Its close to a 60 win team...
Even without the Max free agent…Durant is only going to get better…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
this is pretty big news, i'm surprised its not getting more attention
after the Bulls sign Joe Johnson, for something less than the max i’m guessing (lets hope the Tellem love has to work both ways), they will probably pursue a young cheap power forward. Assuming the Bulls work out a sign and trade with Atl that results in Atl receiving a trade except and JJ or Asik and the Bulls signing Johnson for 5 years $75 million (he turned down 4 year, $60 million from Atl).
That leaves about $4-5 million to throw at Amir Johnson, Al Harrington or Channing Frye. My guess is that the Bulls lineup next season looks like:
Rose / Hinrich
Joe Johnson / Hinrich / pick 17
Deng /JJ / pick 17
Taj / Al Harrington
Noah / Miller
I’d prefer
Rose / Hinrich
Azubuike / Hinrich
Deng / JJ / Azubike
Bosh / Taj
Noah / Bosh / Draft pick
I’d rather the Bulls go for an expensive power forward and a cheap wing player. But everything coming out of the media suggests the Bulls are looking for a shooter/scorer on the wing.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 16, 2010 3:51 PM CDT reply actions
I bet they use the money to bring Omer Asik over, since anything else would require, you know, creativity.
Kirk Hinrich sucks. The end.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 16, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really...
If they trade for Joe Johnson rather than using cap space, they could just use their MLE on Asik.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
I don't think they are going to have their MLE
Kirk Hinrich sucks. The end.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 16, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's not true
Trading for a FA using cap space is the same as using it to sign a FA. You lose the MLE.
Brad Miller is god.
No, doing a sign and trade allows the team to retain the MLE
The Raptors last year exhausted their cap space when they did S/T for Turk and then used the MLE to sign Jarrett Jack
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
Well that's a retarded loophole
But we’d have to clear all of our cap space in s+ts to really take advantage of that.
Brad Miller is god.
Gay/Durant would be a bad pairing
They do the same thing – score and play mediocre D, except Durant is much better at the former. That is possible though if they include Green in a S + T or something like that. I do think Lee makes a lot of sense for them though. If I were them, I’d go for Lee and Marcus Camby, who’d give them the defensive presence down low that they need. Imagine this:
Westbrook/Maynor
Thabo/Harden/Durant
Durant/Green
Lee/Green/Ibaka
Camby/Collison/Krstic
They’ll have a hard time keeping that together but god damn that would be sick. They’d have 3 all-star caliber offensive players in Westbrook, Durant and Lee, good perimeter D with Thabo and Green, and a shitload of front-court depth.
Brad Miller is god.
I was talking about the Bulls
If they can’t get LeBron, Wade, Bosh, I would rather they sign Lee and Gay than Johnson
Durant's defense is actually really good this year. He's improved leaps and bounds.
Kirk Hinrich sucks. The end.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 17, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
that team is a'ight
50-ish wins.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 16, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you are undervaluing Rose-Noah growth...
Boston declining a bit more—the Hawks being worse. 52 wins and a 3rd seed.
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by Super-Structure on Apr 16, 2010 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
If Miami gets Bosh, the Bulls would probably be playing for fifth seed, technically, at best
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and 52 wins isn't 50-ish?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 17, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
50-ish seems like, "ehhh they might get to 50."
Though you are right. Though 52 is definitely 50, and definitely not 48. Know what I mean?
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by Super-Structure on Apr 17, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
The harsh reality of your post just made me very sad
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 16, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
it's the 2010 plan
most outcomes aren’t great
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 16, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I calculated the cap numbers
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/bulls-2010-salary-info.html
Bulls should have $4,956,704 after signing a Bosh/LeBron/Wade level FA. It will probably be 200k or so more if they signed someone with a lower max. The 105% rule still applies because the salary cap 30% rule uses BRI not the salary cap number and it’s a tiny bit less. However, the 30% rule will be around 16.3 million.
by dougthonus on Apr 16, 2010 3:54 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Thanks for this.
I actually saw this on your site earlier. Great stuff.
Thrusting out of the playoff race, one injury at a time.
related, sorta
Houston is going after bad Brad:
ources close to the Rockets say Houston will pursue former Kings and current Chicago center Brad Miller on the free agent market. The 12-year veteran who played with Martin from 2004 to 2009 was one of Martin’s staunchest supporters during their time together, and their chemistry in running Adelman’s respected system could add yet another offensive dimension to the Rockets’ plan.
(ht: The Dream Shake)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 16, 2010 4:43 PM CDT reply actions
Good it will force the Bulls to go out
and try to find that 4th post guy (if we sign Bosh or Amare), rather than signing one of their own (Pargo!), which is the only move they usually make
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 16, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
What better backup plan for a Yao Ming injury
Than 33 year old Brad Miller (actually Brad back in Adelman’s offense would be fun).
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 16, 2010 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Miller's game may fall off a cliff soon
he’s been nice here, i wouldn’t mind him coming back – but he doesn’t bring it every night and he is not worth making a priority. If Houston wants Miller, I’m good with that.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 16, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
This makes Lebron to NYC more plausible.
The Knicks would have about 23 million more afterward? Lebron and D’Antoni could hand pick their team. Say they keep Lee for 12, that leaves another 11 for a point and/or a center (potentially Shaq?). I also just read that they can offer 2 million dollar playoff bonuses that won’t count against the cap, which no one else can.
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by Super-Structure on Apr 16, 2010 10:10 PM CDT reply actions
Question
has anyone found an article that details the ramifications of the new cap figure for all the teams in the league?
Maybe Minny would trade....
Al Jeff straight up for Deng and a draft pick—Al Jeff and K-Love are black and white versions of the same player. Then the Bulls parlay Al Jeff in a sign and trade for Bosh. See if we’d have cap space to sign a second tier FA (Joe Johnson, Rudy Gaye) and stilll have some dough left over to sign Morrow or trade for Rudy….yee-ahh
"Al Jeff and K-Love are black and white versions of the same player."
no they’re not.
I mean you’re right about them being different racially (and a good observation there), but they’re not the same player. They do play the same position.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 19, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
They are the same type of player in many respects.
They’re slightly different but hey’re both bulky offensive minded PFs who aren’t exceptional defenders. And word on the street is Kahn seems to think they can’t coexist, and that love’s better.
Brad Miller is god.
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