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Bulls 104, Raptors 88: Bulls demoralize 'rivals' for 8th seed

Sort of like when the Miami Heat came into Chicago and absolutely embarrassed them on their home court, the Bulls led wire-to-wire and rendered much of the 2nd half irrelevant in their destruction of the Toronto Raptors today.

Tough to determine what percentage was the Bulls 'wanting it', or if the Raptors giving up, though it doesn't really matter. After this performance it looks like the Raptors might not win another game this year. Not just in the results, but the way they looked,  as we know they're not very talented without Chris Bosh but they looked to be equally uninterested. A performance embodied by Hedo Turkoglu, who seemed to be playing only to get foul calls while jacking up one terrible shot after another and resorting to simply pushing guys on defense. (though if an uninterested player can get 19 rebounds in 32 minutes, he somehow did that too)

Meanwhile, the Bulls may be a team that we've seen similarly coast to a loss before, but one guy who never fits that category is Joakim Noah. The Raps frontcourt is ripe for beasting, and Noah did just that nearly having a triple-double by halftime, and finishing with 18pts, 19rebs, and 7 assists. Derrick Rose also turned in a great game with 26 points, 7 assists, and only 1 turnover in over 37 minutes. Not even VDN's insistence on playing Jannero Pargo (first off the bench in the 2nd half?) could stop Noah, Rose, and the rest of the Bulls from steamrolling the Raptors.

This has been an uninspiring playoff race with both teams at points seeming like they didn't even want to get in, but when matched up against eachother it's quite clear that no matter the Bulls inconsistencies, the Raptors really would rather start their offseason. So while the Bulls have the tougher next two games, it probably won't matter, and the Bulls are in the drivers seat heading to Cleveland.

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Good win for you guys.

I think Toronto is a failure since aquireing Chris Bosh. And accept their failure and let a more promising team enter the playoffs. Bosh will be leaving Toronto. Hedo turkoglu will stink up the joing for 4 more years. man it sucks for them

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by bowdown on Apr 11, 2010 7:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow

Noah was a monster, Rose was automatic, and Deng releasing on shots for the after break was like playground ball. What a game.

by iBurkey on Apr 11, 2010 7:45 PM CDT reply actions  

On one hand these guys suck for losing on Friday

On the other, I wish I could shake off bad days as easily as them. I barely paid attention, but there wasn’t any doubt who was going to win. Yay for playoff revenue and sold-out UC crowds with Chicagoans who couldn’t get Blackhawks tickets!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 11, 2010 7:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Celts own the tie breaker with the Hawks, so the former is likely to go full strength against us on Tues

See TIEBREAKER BASIS for order of the tie breaker rules. By virtue of winning their division and the Hawks finishing second behind Orlando, the Celts own the tie break vs the Hawks even though the latter won the head-to-head.

"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan

by PeteRoc on Apr 11, 2010 7:50 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Why would Boston want the 3 seed though?

I think I’d prefer having the 4th seed and playing the Bogut-less Bucks.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Apr 11, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point, but the Bucks might be the 6 seed after tomorrow

The Bucks play at Atlanta while the Heat play at Philly. The Heat will be in line to be the 5 seed if they win and the Bucks lose. If they both win, the Bucks won’t have the 5 seed locked up.

"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan

by PeteRoc on Apr 11, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

To avoid Cleveland in the second round.
Why would Boston want the 3 seed though?

Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.

by Dionysus2.0 on Apr 11, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec!

Luol Deng 24 going on 54.

by SoulEater7 on Apr 12, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

They're gonna have to play Cleveland eventually though if they want to go to the finals

They’re gonna have to beat the Magic and Cavs in some order, unless the Hawks beat one of them, which is equally unlikely for each team.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Apr 12, 2010 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

How about just a little farther down there

“Ties for playoff positions (including division winners) will be broken utilizing the criteria set forth in subparagraph a. below (in the case of ties involving two teams)”

a. Two Teams Tied
(1) Better winning percentage in games against each other.

Atlanta is 3-0 against Boston this season.

by torch on Apr 11, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes, if atlanta/boston have same record

atlanta would get higher seed right? due to best record against each other?

by K_yle33 on Apr 11, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Admittedly, the site is confusing, but this is why division winner is used in this case

It almost happened a couple of years ago. Tell me who would get the 3,4, and 5 seed in this situation (assuming Miami had finished in a 3 way tie with Boston and Atlanta):

If both Atlanta and Miami won the head-2-head against Boston, where would Boston be seeded?

"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan

by PeteRoc on Apr 11, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

bad example

The three-way tie breaker is different than the two-way tiebreaker

by torch on Apr 11, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not in this case......its the reason they tinkered with the rule again.

It sucks for Atlanta, but Boston gets the 3 seed and this article explains the rationale better than I did.

"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan

by PeteRoc on Apr 11, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

the one we're looking for is this:

“(1) Division leader wins tie from team not leading a division
(2) Head-to-head won-lost percentage”

i missed it too, and i’ll admit my error.

it was a helluva time finding it because it’s not listed under that two teams tied thing.

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by Jaina on Apr 11, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's tough to pin wins and losses on this...
Tough to determine what percentage was the Bulls ‘wanting it’, or if the Raptors giving up

But it sure looked like the Raptors were the ones giving up…oh wait, you used quotes around wanting it, perhaps you were referring to something else…

Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.

by Dionysus2.0 on Apr 11, 2010 8:03 PM CDT reply actions  

I hate to be skeptical

but I think the bulls HAVE to win the final two games.

by K_yle33 on Apr 11, 2010 8:07 PM CDT reply actions  

at the very least

they have to win one of them…

"I want people to fear me"- Derrick Rose.
"That boy is BAD"- Stacey King.

by Cosmis on Apr 11, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know

I wish I had that positive of an out look for the Bulls playoff chan, but a big part of me still thinks they’re gonna blow it. The Boston game looks like a loss and the Bobcats game is not a gimme either (unless Brown rests all his guys which easily could be the case). I also give Toronto a fairly good chance at going 2-0 the rest of the way, even though they played like shit today.

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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 11, 2010 8:09 PM CDT reply actions  

they've played like shit for a couple weeks

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 11, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

all i keep thinking is...

if the bulls could lose to the NETs when they were “trying” sorta, then toronto can lose to either the pistons or knicks…

by K_yle33 on Apr 11, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know we're the better team right now

but my point was that there are still a lot of different scenarios that can play out and it doesn;t matter who the better team is. Our opponents are way more difficult than theirs, especially if they try to win. It’s not a stretch to think the Raps can beat the Knicks and Pistons

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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 11, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it is

Man, they’re really, really bad.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Apr 11, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

This will be my most enjoyable, relaxing Bulls victory in memory with something on the line

thanks to my setting my VCR for a 6:30 Tucson start time with the game on NBA-TV. When I logged into Bab I discovered the game was already over and the Bulls crushed them. I didn’t realize I was recording a re-run so I will sit back and enjoy the D Rose, J Noah show in all its glory with absolutely no sweat. I noticed the Bulls shot .573 from 2 point range but had no need for 3’s today. My pregrame prediction was Bulls by 12 based on Toronto’s suckage quotient which I beleieve is approaching max.

I see no way they get the 8th spot because the league doesn’t want the LeBrons waltzing through a boring, meaningless first round against a demoralized craptastic bunch of chokers. As long as Noah and Rose are competing, there will be many exciting moments although I see the Cavs winning in 5 or 6. As I wrote in the pregame, I completely ignored the NBA while on vacation and this gives me another opportunity to view the game objectively, completely free of Vinny and NBA referee hate and and without an ounce of tension. Thanks to all fellow posters for letting me catch up on what I missed lately. Why wait till next year. Maybe it’s time for miracles. Could the Bulls be the NBA’s version of Butler? I say why not. All we need is for LeBron to twist an ankle and round one is ours.

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by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 11, 2010 8:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Shaq, Mo Williams, 3 point shooting, and fouls called in Cleveland's favor
Could the Bulls be the NBA’s version of Butler? I say why not. All we need is for LeBron to twist an ankle and round one is ours.

LeBitch and KG's constant showboating, chest pounding, dunking with one hand behind the ear, dancing, and pure and simple rubbing it in is so fucking annoying.

by hongydraw on Apr 11, 2010 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see no way they get the 8th spot because the league doesn’t want the LeBrons waltzing through a boring, meaningless first round against a demoralized craptastic bunch of chokers.

Did you see the Nets game? If that’s the case I don’t think the refs got the memo…

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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 11, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

My level of hatred for Jerry, Pax, Gar and VDN

Is matched by my love of Noah and Rose. I like this teams chances going forward with those 2 guys( BREAKING NEWS!), regardless of the playoffs. But the power structure above them is very worrisome.

by Badmotostinkfinger on Apr 11, 2010 8:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Noah

was nothing short of dominant today. He just obliterated the entire Raptors frontcourt…

"I want people to fear me"- Derrick Rose.
"That boy is BAD"- Stacey King.

by Cosmis on Apr 11, 2010 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

They had to win tonight and i'm glad they did, but that loss to the Bucks, losing 2 games to the Nets, and not having the Toronto tiebreaker

All I can say is thank goodness the Celtics game is at the UC. Hopefully KG puckering his mouth and pounding his chest doesnt lead to Celtics momentum, and thus lead to 3s. I don’t see Toronto losing to Detroit, or especially New York. And then there’s the Bobcats. Tyrus would absolutley jizz over keeping the Bulls out of the playoffs. Bulls won tonight, but still need some bigtime luck.

LeBitch and KG's constant showboating, chest pounding, dunking with one hand behind the ear, dancing, and pure and simple rubbing it in is so fucking annoying.

by hongydraw on Apr 11, 2010 8:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Detroit has won 3 or their last 4 games

winning at Philly, at home against Atlanta, and at Miami. They lost @Charlotte 99-95 last night, so they have been competitive lately. New York is another story but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Raptors lose out. We have to win this next game against the Celtics at home to be sure though. God knows we can’t lose and have the pressure of winning that last game in Charlotte.

Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

by bigballa10 on Apr 11, 2010 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jesus Christ...the Bulls actiually took alivecare of business when they were supposed to!!!

(unlike the last Miami game)

…and all it took was a ridiculous Antwan Jamison elbow to keep the playoff HOPE alive.

by KentuckyBullsFan on Apr 11, 2010 8:32 PM CDT reply actions  

If Noah is player/coach this is a 50 win team.

Brad Miller could probably get them to 60 wins, only if Deng was assistant.

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 11, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brad Miller

Is terrible these days, I don’t want him back. He was in when the Raptors almost made a mini comeback, then sat the rest of the way.

His passing which was always his strength has totally disappeared, leading to silly turnovers all the friggin time.

He never was a good defender, but used to hold his own when the going got tough, now he’s almost Aaron Gray-esque.

He’s been a huge disappointment this year.

I know he sparked the comeback against the Nets the other day, but his goofing around in the 3rd when we had the 10+ pt lead (From a “veteran leader” no less) is what caused us to lose the hold of playing the right way.

I don’t want to see Brad back next year. He was great post trade last year, started off this year well enough, but has been terrible the last few weeks….

7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home

by majoyenrac on Apr 12, 2010 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think he could be the new Lindsey Hunter...

…and, one day, be the Bulls Big Man coach. so, why not sign him for the vets min?

Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0

by bull83 on Apr 12, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I should say

I’m more than fine for the vet minimum who doesn’t play as much (Especially considering the rapport with him and Noah (and while we have him Hinrich), but I bet he’ll be getting $3-4M….and then I say no….

7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home

by majoyenrac on Apr 12, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

But it’s still charged to the cap regardless….so it doens’t help us….just helps JR.

7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home

by majoyenrac on Apr 12, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Put Noah in Space Jam 2

That will never happen. But STILL!

by T.Moore on Apr 12, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

people would be confused on

who are the aliens

I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!

by piccolomair on Apr 12, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

no but I wish I saw that. what'd he say?

LeBitch and KG's constant showboating, chest pounding, dunking with one hand behind the ear, dancing, and pure and simple rubbing it in is so fucking annoying.

by hongydraw on Apr 11, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why is everyone saddened by a first round loss to LeBron?

I didn’t exactly think we would go anywhere last year and still enjoyed losing in the playoffs.

Hey, there are two points to this

1) They make it, the world will still see this team as one ‘on the rise’.

Makes no sence to me but it’s how the media spins it.

2) Also, the org gets to gloat about how right they were for letting BG and Tyrus go. They knew what the were doing all along. They’ll convince the public that they saved money for 2010, hired a suitable coach, team still growing and then fire that suitable coach

If the Bulls don’t make the playoffs I won’t need to watch basketball, its on to basketball.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 2, 2010 12:38 PM PDT

by Option27 on Apr 11, 2010 9:58 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

well point #2 kindof sucks

but I do like point #1.

making the playoffs may not help, but it can’t hurt. So what the hell. Plus the real benefit may be knocking Toronto out, not who got in.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 11, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that point number 2 sucks

It’s a fact though and they’ll run with it.

But yeah, I’ve always agreed with you about the benefit of knocking out Bosh’s team

If the Bulls don’t make the playoffs I won’t need to watch basketball, its on to basketball.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 2, 2010 12:38 PM PDT

by Option27 on Apr 11, 2010 11:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

To me, number 2 is moot because they took off and ran with it from the moment Gordon signed in Detroit

Hell, really, they took off and ran with it for like a year before that while he was still here.

If they make the playoffs they’ll say it. If they miss the playoffs they’ll say it. If they win 80 games or 2 games they’ll say it.

by Sports2 on Apr 12, 2010 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure that the media will spin a first-round loss as a team-on-the-rise story

That was last year. If the Bulls don’t make it a series against Cleveland (and they likely won’t), they’ll have been less competitive in the playoffs than last year, when they also didn’t make it past the first round. That’s not rising, that’s stalling, and I’m guessing that’ll be the story coming out of the playoffs.

Hopefully, the Bulls will at least be perceived as a team in need of another all-star to make the leap, which may be almost as good for their purposes.

by drew gooden's facial growth on Apr 12, 2010 6:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

My hope is it gets spun as "There are only two differences between these teams"

1. Lebron James.
2. The Cavs are ancient and declining while the Bulls are young and improving.

by Sports2 on Apr 12, 2010 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

The dream scenario would be this

Lebron breaks his face and teh bulls win the series, literally proving that the bulls are better than the cavs without lebron and that lebron going to the bulls would put him on a better team.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Apr 12, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

yea...

this post is way too optimistic. I won’t be anywhere near as sure as you seem to be that the Bulls are making the playoffs until it’s set in stone. Haven’t we been fooled enough times to not get lulled to sleep again? Toronto isn’t good but if there’s two teams that don’t care anymore, it’s the Pistons and the Knicks. Meanwhile, if we lost to the Nets twice, we can lose to anyone.

by JSlakov on Apr 11, 2010 9:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Gordon's on fire, Pistons hate the lottery!

it’ll be a magical night, everyone rooting for BG again :-)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 11, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

i was just about to post this very point

i’m real excited to root for BG again tomorrow night— and he’s been playing well lately

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by Calogero on Apr 11, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pissed at him

He sucked right up until I finally gave up on his season and dropped him from my fantasy team.

But I’ll get over it long enough to cheer for him tonight. ;)

by wjb1492 on Apr 12, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Remember when BG singlehandedlt brought the bulls back aganst Memphis?

Maybe it was Charlotte but he had like 18 points in the 4th to lead the Bulls to the win.

Yeah, I’m hoping for that

I’m guessing he’s getting texts from his former teammates begging him to do damage

If the Bulls don’t make the playoffs I won’t need to watch basketball, its on to basketball.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 2, 2010 12:38 PM PDT

by Option27 on Apr 11, 2010 11:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I remember the Nuggets game where he hit the 3 and was fouled.

Then he crossed his arms on the ground.

Luol Deng 24 going on 54.

by SoulEater7 on Apr 11, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wasn't that the Pistons game last year?

And the Charlotte game Option27 is referring to was awesome. BG scored 20 in the 4th quarter, I still remember his beautiful smile after hitting some ridiculous 3-pointer.

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 12, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

you suck!

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 12, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol

Luol Deng 24 going on 54.

by SoulEater7 on Apr 12, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

lmao...

that was pretty damn funny

by masputo on Apr 12, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

The bulls have to keep winning

If the bulls beat the celtics and detroit beats toronto, the bulls are in the playoffs and we can at least rest some of out players the last game of the season against the bobcats.

by Jermal on Apr 11, 2010 11:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Go BG!! We need you tonight!

Tonight’s Toronto game against Detroit is huge. If Toronto wins they have a good chance of beating the Knicks. It is not likely we win both of the last two games. Tonight is huge and a Detroit win gives us more incentive to end this thing tomorrow.

by chgobr on Apr 12, 2010 7:52 AM CDT reply actions  

These guys look like a team on the rise.

"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"

by chapuforyou on Apr 12, 2010 8:09 AM CDT reply actions  

as long as everyone else gets injured

we do AWESOME.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Apr 12, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Okay I've been following the Bulls here and there

but this is when my full fanship comes into play.. Let go Bulls ..it’s almost playoff time!!!

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Apr 12, 2010 8:28 AM CDT reply actions  

dont worry....

its gonna be a short bandwagon ride

by scottie33 on Apr 12, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Im not a bandwagonner

I love the Bulls…especially come playoff time!

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Apr 12, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good Point, Nice metaphors, Noah indeed scorched candian soil.

If i was a free agent and see the way noah plays i’d love to play alongside him, his jumper will continue becoming more consistent and of course he recklessly hits the glass and is always on full throttle.

by Blog-a-bullshiter9 on Apr 12, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bad news

The Canadian Dollar is trading at par with the US Dollar.

12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)

by NBA Observer on Apr 12, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Endorsements.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Apr 12, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Great Win

Rose has disappointed me alot this season..Noah, not so much

by Belize on Apr 12, 2010 11:31 AM CDT reply actions  

How has Rose disappoint you?

Cause hes not the 2nd comming of Zeke in his 2nd year? Or are you just being sarcastic?

by T.Moore on Apr 12, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes!

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 12, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

How has he disappointed you?

so far he’s averaging 20-6-4. That exceeded my expectations, i was thinking he’ll get some more like 18-5-3

by Blog-a-bullshiter9 on Apr 12, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

its funny

rose went from being a guy that we pretty much never expected, but thought would be cool, if he won rookie of the year, to a guy that some expect to be putting up mvp numbers by his rookie year…what sucks even more is that we can smile and say “damn both noah and rose are developing at a rapid rate” instead we say “hey hey hey, this noah guy seems better than rose, i mean rose has made strides, but noah has made MORE strides” it reminds me of bg vs kirk hinrich back in 2005-2006

I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!

by piccolomair on Apr 12, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see what you mean, I dont get the whole NOAH vs ROSE agrument

it doesnt make sense to me they’re both equally as important to our team, and im just damn glad that they are playing the way they are, they make me proud and hopefull for the future, I can understand some peoples perspectives because they want to see him shoot more and score 25+ but im more then happy with the ways he’s playing. He has all the tools in the world, and I think he’s going to go on a tear next season, as for BG and Kirk they showed flashes of potential superstardom due to the numbers they put up in the beginning of their carrers but father time proved that their ceiling wasnt as high for them as It appears for rose or noah

by Blog-a-bullshiter9 on Apr 12, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dont want him to put up 25+

I just want him to stop turning the ball over and start passing the ball right.

by Belize on Apr 12, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rose's TOV% is 12.5

Here are the TOV%s of some other random guys:
Chris Paul 13.5
Deron Williams 16.7
Steve Nash 21.5
Tyreke Evans 13.6
Tony Parker 15.4
Chauncey Billups 12.9
Rajon Rondo 19.5
Russell Westbrook 16.5

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Apr 12, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

the point of the argument was that they ARE EQUALLY important.

It’s not a giveaway that Rose is going to be better (or more important) than Noah.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 12, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think the point of the argument might have started off that way

but if u just go back and look at that thread, people just started taking it to completely strange levels, there may be some like ureself who can come back to reality, but there are some that will take what they read as truth, all they need is one good argument…then suddenly they are pushing towards one side as opposed to staying neutral, its happened before and it doesnt take much to start swaying the masses into a line of thinking that may have weak foundation

I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!

by piccolomair on Apr 12, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kirk was

practically hitting his head on the ceiling when the Bulls drafted him, and Ben didn’t have far to go either

by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 12, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

piccolo

It’s sad that even you has lost the Hinrich hope.

I think Kirk will still bounce back to be league average Offensively perhaps next year. But I think his D is fantastic.

7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home

by majoyenrac on Apr 12, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hinrich's D is great!

You can put him on the other team’s best guard and Hinrich defintely is an impact defensively. IMO we would have won the Phoenix game if Hinrich didn’t turn his ankle and have to leave. Nash absolutely killed us down the stretch.

by chgobr on Apr 12, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

For some reason Kirk always plays Nash very well -

probably because Nash’s game is predicated on craftiness rather than speed – which Kirk can’t match. After Kirk went out, Nash demolished us. Granted, that was as much a part of Pargo being Pargo – but I do think Kirk’s loss hurt them that game.

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by MPG on Apr 12, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty much never expected to win rookie of the year???

He was the number one overall pick, I think most expected him to do exactly that when he was drafted.

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by Grinder in Training on Apr 12, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not quite

A lot of people said he wasn’t the most “nba-ready” of draft picks. If you look back, a lot more people predicted Beasley or Mayo to win ROTY before the season.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Apr 12, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some even

picked Oden coming off injury.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 12, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah forgot about that

That was also a trendy pick.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Apr 13, 2010 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

No

I think at the draft he was expected to be one of the 2 impact players (with Beasley), but then after the summer and preseason games he was expected as the star in the next 5 years, but won’t be an impact rookie….pretty much everywhere….

I called it the Chicago curse.

7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home

by majoyenrac on Apr 12, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

GO back and look at everything up to the draft

and hell a bit past it, the consensus on this site was that Beasley probably would win rookie of the year, but rose down hte line would be much much better, yea no one thought he would be rookie of the year….hell in summer league he looked bad, and everyone was scared that our 1st round pick might actually be a bust or worse (for this organization) a huge project….then preseason came and people were like WOW!!!!! but that WOW wasnt enough to sway the nation to begin with, the fact that rose was able to keep up his play (before dropping off again, and then resurging with force in the playoffs) is what really got him the ROY

I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!

by piccolomair on Apr 12, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

coincidence

or under the table partnership….maybe they are teammates already??

I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!

by piccolomair on Apr 12, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

i think i had the exact same train of thought.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Apr 12, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Charlie Villanueva

just “guaranteed” a victory tonight via his twitter page. Makes me sorta happy that the pistons are still playing hard maybe.

by K_yle33 on Apr 12, 2010 4:10 PM CDT reply actions  

That means

Charlie won’t be firing up alot of shots tonight.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 12, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

no

it means he WILL
oh shit

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Apr 12, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

This was such a good game.

The Bulls actually played to their strengths and got out and ran instead of playing too much in their halfcourt “offense.” It made me happy to see Deng and others leaking out for easy baskets. It was just an exciting game to watch.

"What the fuck man?! GAD DAYUM!" -Ben Gordon, after being fouled by Chris Bosh, with no call.
Come back home, Ben.

by Dash2112 on Apr 12, 2010 6:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Good win for you guys!!

I am SOOOOOOOO glad Hedont decided to go elsewhere. Go Blazers!

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by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Apr 12, 2010 6:24 PM CDT reply actions  

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