One Bulls hand doesn't know when the other is choking (UPDATED)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 10, 2010 11:33 AM CDT
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Print[Update by your friendly BullsBlogger, 04/10/10 4:26 PM: KC Johnson has an update from Bulls practice on Saturday:
"I felt we could stretch him out a little just because of the importance of the game. So I had (player development coach) Lindsey (Hunter) go talk to Gar about it to make sure it was OK. I wanted to put him in if there was 10 seconds to go or the 3.6 seconds (for the Nets' final possession of regulation) but I hadn't got the authority yet to do that. When I got the OK to put him back in, I put him back in during that first overtime to try to get that stop. So there was some miscommunication."
Asked what impression he was under after receiving clearance from management through Hunter, Del Negro said: "Play him 35 minutes. And then when he went a little over, play him in last-possession situations. I didn't get that answer until the overtime. Once I got it, we're into the overtime. My interpretation of that was not to play him to 40-45 minutes. But if we needed a stop, put him back in. That was the understanding. And there was probably some miscommunication."
...For what it's worth, Del Negro said Noah won't be under any restrictions for Sunday's game.
"I don't know about 45 (minutes)," Del Negro said. "But I don't think there will be a mandate on him."
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A bit of controversy (beyond the referees) came out of last night's debacle in New Jersey.
Joakim Noah did not play in either overtime period, and after the game VDN cited a minutes cap (as Sham pointed out, not sure how putting him in on that final possession in regulation would've made his foot explode) from the Org.. A stance that makes some sense given Noah's injury issues and him playing 33 minutes the night prior.
But then again, there was a game to win. And VDN's bosses apparently were cool with Noah playing, reports John Jackson:
general manager Gar Forman said that Del Negro could have played Noah more.
According to Forman, who was at the game, player development assistant Lindsey Hunter, who sits behind the bench, approached him after regulation and asked if Noah could play additional minutes.
Forman said he called executive vice president John Paxson (who was home) and was given clearance for Noah to exceed the limit. Forman also said that message was relayed to Del Negro on the bench.
Del Negro made his postgame comments before Forman talked and he was unavailable for follow-up comments.
(ht: Bulls Confidential)
Amazing that there could be a miscommunication when the Bulls have such a defined and organized power structure.
Though for all we know, Vinny was just looking for an excuse as to why he didn't play Noah, as he actually thought it was his best chance to win. It's possible, he's not a good coach.
And he won't be back next season regardless of the team's finish, if Gar Forman's umpteenth chance to distance himself from the guy is any indication. But maybe the most interesting part of this story is that Gar himself still has to call Pax before making those types of 'General Manager' decisions.
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yeah, i read this at BC
i was thinking the same thing watching the game. why is he not in on the last defensive possession of the game given he’s our best defender? my girl kept saying they look tired and maybe Noah wasn’t back in because of fatigue. i just turned and replied that they need this win! its the last freakin’ play! suck it up and get on that court. as soon as they broke that final huddle of regulation and i saw Taj take the sweats off and Noah kinda shift towards the bench, i was already in disgust. thanx a lot, Vinny.
we went out for pizza after the game. -dave wannstedt
by BULLieving in Miami on Apr 10, 2010 11:51 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Possiblity Noah felt something?
I would figure he’d be begging to get back in, but he was pretty quiet on the bench. He certainly isn’t known to shy away from wanting more minutes.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
In the future, all the players will have radio earbuds with instructions on every play
coming from the GM/coach/owner….kind of like the NFL right now.
If the Bulls had a real coach, mico-managing wouldn’t be necessary.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Apr 10, 2010 12:38 PM CDT reply actions
theres one thing the nba needs that the nfl has
the ability to challenge plays. Just like one per game…thats it…theres always a bunch of bogus plays incorrectly called by the ref, but having the ability to just overturn one of them can be a big deal…or hell dont do it by game, give them 10 total per season, with the stipulation that u cant use more than one per half…..the nba refs have way too much power, and im not sure what cheks them. The nba organization wont call them out as frequently as they should because in public eyes it means that indeed the refs are corrupt or dumb, and so the refs get away with near murder…its sad….they need a chek and balance system for reffing the nba…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Apr 10, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
no thanks
I hate the challenge system, it takes too damned long to the point where the loss in entertainment outweighs the ‘getting it right’ (for me)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 10, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
how about a booth?
a group of high refs who sit in some chamber half way around the continant who observe the game (or the refs) and can just call the refs to overturn a decision….i dont know…i just want some kind of of a check to the refs power…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Apr 10, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
"Forman said he called executive vice president John Paxson"
What? Shouldn’t Vinny just make the call? Or the trainers and team doctors? Let alone Gar, let alone fucking Pax!
by Badmotostinkfinger on Apr 10, 2010 1:41 PM CDT reply actions
thanks BadmotoStinkFinger
for addressing the real issue … nincompoop management… Paxson is the biggest nincompoop to insititute stupidity because basically everything he has done has been stupidity…
Paxson’s siginings of $22 million (the captains) in the last minutes of the 4th qtr. didn’t show up defensively nor offensively.
this wimp team is not worthly of a chicago label ….
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
that's it
I’m getting Vinny fitted for his cement shoes.
"I'm going to enjoy an apple in bed." - Derrick Rose
by E-Grizzle on Apr 10, 2010 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
so let me see if i have this straight
in order to see if it was ok to play the team’s second best player in overtime in the 79th game of the season while in a tie for the 8 seed, the player development assistant had to ask the general manager, who had to call the executive vice president, who then gave the ok for the general manager to give word to the player development assistant to tell the coach that it was ok to play the team’s second best player. and then we didn’t even put the guy in.
as usual, i hate this fucking organization.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
by Calogero on Apr 10, 2010 1:53 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
What bothers me most (but is not surprising)...
…is that medical personnel were not in on this decision tree.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Apr 10, 2010 1:54 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
they were too busy starting the next luol deng smear campaign
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
by Calogero on Apr 10, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Either VDN is dumb beyond our wildest imaginations or
he is lying. 2 choices.
You have to be seriously retarded to pull Noah for the final minute of the game because of a minute limit:
1. If you have to pull him in the final minute of the 4th, that means you played him too long before that. It means you are incapable of monitoring his minutes at all. And its not like Noah was restricted to 20 minutes. He played 36 minutes, or 3/4 of regulation.
2. Everyone knows the minute limit is just a guideline. Did VDN believe that Noah’s foot would blow up if he played the final minute of regulation? You can play someone 35:50, but you can’t play them 36:05?
3. Wouldn’t you consult a trainer or Noah as opposed to sending someone to call Gar? And Gar can’t make that decision himself? Did John Paxson go to John Hopkins while no was looking? How would he know better than the people on the scene.
For all those reasons, I refuse to believe that VDN didn’t play Noah b/c of a predetermined minute limit in the final minute of regulation. I’d rather believe VDN is a liar than believe he is that dumb.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 10, 2010 1:54 PM CDT reply actions
as matt alluded to above
i think it’s highly possible that he just didn’t play noah because he thought it was best for the team. brad was playing well, and vdn has been reluctant all year to play brad and noah together.
also, in vdn’s dumb one track mind he probably just pushed noah completely out of his head once that magical 36 minute threshold was reached
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
i agree with matt
and that is why i believe VDN just made up an excuse, than got called out by management. It is just one more example showing he will be fired.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 10, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
yup
He didn’t want Noah on Yi guarding the perimeter, so he went with Taj. Miller was playing semi-well.
Vinny has always ridden the hot hand at the end of games. In this case Miller was the hot hand at center. But instead of playing offense/defense like all coaches do, Vinny forgets to bring in Noah on D.
Where the fuck are the assistants? They should be yelling at Vinny if he is missing something.
Why switch on the pick and roll? We ended up with Kirk on Lopez, they threw a lob. Lopez got fouled. Why switch that!!!! Kirk should no better, even if he was told to switch all pick and rolls. Why not trap the pick and roll, hard. Force the Nets to do what they don’t want. Which would be get the ball out of the guards hand and force Lopez to decide what to do from 18 feet out.
Everyone is to blame.
"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub
our assistants stink too
bernie bickerstaff makes vdn look like red auerbach.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
it seemed like that lob to Lopez was available constantly
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 10, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
plus
noah can guard on the perimeter. I am pretty sure i recall him guarding dirk nowitzki pretty well.
Or at least as well as Taj Gibson who isnt that great at the perimeter.
by Sambossanova on Apr 10, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
NJ at home go for the tie (force overtime) .. if a team is on the road go for the win (3pts)
Old established rule of coaching .tried and true based on averages..
Yet…
Vinny puts Taj to guard the peremeter against 3pts?
Micro Manager Paxson, who doesn’t want personal accountability, needs to be call to put Noah in? …you guys admire this?
Nincompoops are bountiful in Org., with the chief one “Paxson” at home watching “Family Guide” on the skype with Ryan (son) while the team was losing all important game in NJ?.
when will this guy just step down
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
plus Vinny is not SO dumb to realize he's probably fired regardless
so I don’t get why he’d really make an in-game decision based on the Org.’s long-term interests over his own resume-padding for the Ft. Wayne Mad Ants.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 10, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
not if he had any pride
then again he could be thankful that the Reinsdorf make-a-wish foundation helped him achieve his dream of being a real live coach.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 10, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Well if he has any scruples at all, he probably doesn't want to mess with Noah's long-term health
If the rule is he shouldn’t play more than 35 minutes, it’s probably there for a good reason. We are talking about a guy with a stress based injury. Maybe it’s a silly rule, but someone on S2 pointed out that Vinny got lots of heat when he played Noah 27 minutes against Portland back in Feb and then Noah ended up being out 3 more weeks afterward. So maybe he got slapped already for breaking the minute limit.
by Sports2 on Apr 10, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Vinny played him on the last regulation possesion
which was only like 4 seconds, when all we needed was a stop and a rebound, there probably wouldn’t have even been an OT.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Apparently he IS that dumb
“I wanted to put him in if there was 10 seconds to go, or the 3.6 seconds, but I hadn’t got the authority yet to do that,” Del Negro said. "And I wasn’t able to play him extended minutes because of the 35 [minute] mandate.
That’s from ESPN’s story. Either I’m reading too much into that, or he is actually saying he really felt he needed the authority to put Joakim in with 10 seconds to go! Unbelievable!
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
by bigballa10 on Apr 10, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think the facts make it pretty clear that VDN was not lying here.
Gar can say that Vinny could have played Noah more, but Gar also conceded he had to go call up Pax for an answer. That, and the fact that Hunter had to go running around to find Gar during the game makes it pretty obvious it wasn’t just a matter of Vinny forgetting to put Noah in.
If he just forgot, he wouldn’t have sent Hunter to find Gar, and Gar wouldn’t have called Pax.
by Sports2 on Apr 10, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Since there was a 35 minute limit
shouldn’t VDN been more aware of the time, and made sure that he had Noah available at the end of the game. He pulled Noah with 48 seconds left in the 4th, right after Noah got an offensive rebound and a score. And would 48 extra seconds have killed Noah? I can see the overtime periods, but to pull him with 48 seconds left in a close game? That is adherence to the rule of law bordering on criminal stupidity.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 10, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
That's exactly what I'm saying
I understand the OT, but that last bit of regulation, there was no reason not to have him in. What’s one extra minute?
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
you are right though, he isn't lying
he just has no balls and gets absolutely no respect from the organization. This is a Coach who doesn’t have the cajones to put Noah in on the final possession without permission from management.
Regardless of what was said before the game, 95% of coaches are leaving Noah out there for the last 48 seconds of the 4th. That was a must win game. The Bulls likely won’t make the playoffs because of that loss. And VDN is asking for permission like a whipped dog. He shouldn’t have asked. He should have put Noah in.
Or perhaps he should have confirmed with Gar sometime before the last 48 seconds of the game. According to VDN, the 35 minute restriction has been in place for the last few games. Any way you slice it, this incident makes him look like a fool.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 10, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Very important game ... why wasn't Paxson there ?
Heck Mavs owner can at least show up for key games, we know we aint going to get Reinsdorf, but at the very least his tired azz “family guide” watching vp should have been there?
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
I've been saying it for years... John Paxson was/is as qualified to be a GM back then/still (now a VP) as Vinny is to coaching
For all the nay-sayers … Gar is just a voice, or press agent, and micro-manager John Paxson is still running the show and he still does not have a clue what he is doing.
In addition why wasn’t he at the NJ game?
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
Did Lindsey take it upon himself
to go to Gar? It will only be a matter of weeks before Vinny will be in the unemployment line.
Lindsey's always been an Org. spy
glad he was around to teach Tyrus professionalism. Or yell at him so the media could hear, whichever.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 10, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
And Fuck Gar for calling Paxson
Make a fucking decision you corporate ass-clown.
Do you want to make the playoffs or not?
"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub
Gar is just a stand in
Paxson can’t deal with the media or taking criticism. So he hired a guy to pretend to be GM while he still makes all the decisions.
I'm still too upset at that ref job last night to worry about this, but it is pretty odd...
If you're reading this signature, there's a good chance you don't like Vinny Del Negro.
while im obviously pissed about the refs too
this has me ten times more pissed off. things like this continue to show what a fucked up organization this is. most teams have a thing called a “coach” who makes tough decisions like “should i play our 2nd best player in overtime or not?” we have a 4 headed decision making monster.
and what the hell kind of arbitrary “limit” is 36 minutes? that’s not a limit— that’s what the best players on every team play every game. i can understand 20 or 25 minute limits, but if you’re healthy enough to play a full dose of 36 minutes, you can play 41 minutes.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
I guess I would just throw this under the "Nothing suprises me anymore" category.
If you're reading this signature, there's a good chance you don't like Vinny Del Negro.
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 10, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha, I haven't even seen anything since it went into the double OT
I’m kinda overwhelmed with everything. First the Noah thing, then the loss and now the miscommunication.
Classic org.
Can’t say I aint surprised
If the Bulls don’t make the playoffs I won’t need to watch basketball, its on to basketball.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 2, 2010 12:38 PM PDT
by Option27 on Apr 10, 2010 3:06 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
whats most concerning is that
Lindsey Hunter is the smartest person in the organization, he actually had the state of mind to know that Noah should be in the game, since it wasnt his decision, he called Gar who obviously didnt realize cuz he had to ask Pax, you would think if either Gar or Pax realized it they woulda texted Hunter or anyone near the bench to tell VDN
Lindsey is already a better coach than VDN
Lindsey Hunter for coach!!!!
i heard he is cheap.
by Sambossanova on Apr 10, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
That actually could happen
He may very well be the fallback option if we fail to attract a better option.
Brad Miller is god.
i love how our gm has to call someone to sign off on a decision
and our coach has to do that as well.
Blaming Vinny?
Come on. I’m not saying he’s a good coach, but this is still management’s fault. They hired him when every other team laughed at us. Now they’re going to use him as a scapegoat for the season.
No matter what you think of VDN, he had a team with shit talent that shouldn’t have made the playoffs regardless of injuries. He was given no support from upper management and they trashed his team at the deadline to play for free agents next year. Perhaps having a cardboard cutout standing as GM because Paxson is too pussy to take some criticism causes some communication issues.
So I’m taking Vinny’s side on this one. There is no reason he has to lie in this situation or not to play Noah. Management is trying to cover their ass for giving him that rule and him following it. All this does is make it even laughable to believe any competent coach would give this organization a second look.
by Niwrad on Apr 10, 2010 4:25 PM CDT reply actions 8 recs
Agreed
I mean, is this even serious? Vinny has to ask management during the game if he can play his own players? Only a bullshit organization like the Bulls would even put something like this in place. Usually, the coach works with the trainer to evaluate players’ health. Here, minutes are cleared through a game of telephone culminating on a call to John Paxson while he’s chilling on the couch. Honestly, this is all you need to know about the Bulls’ front office.
This reminds me of the time Mike Ditka asked Dave Duerson to run up to the owners’ box to ask Virginia McCaskey if he could use The Fridge as a fullback, but then Virginia had to call Sid Luckman, who conducted a seance to clear it with George Halas’ ghost. Papa Bear gave the OK and the rest is history.
by Stay Chisel on Apr 10, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It amazes me that the rest of these clowns always end up making Vinny seem sympathetic
That doesn’t make me think he’s a good coach or anything, but it’s sort of surprising.
updated the post
with KC Johnson’s post-practice story
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 10, 2010 4:33 PM CDT reply actions
That is on management then
They didn’t give him enough information going into the game. The fact they had to have Lindsey Hunter run around the stadium to get clearance from GarPax makes the Bulls organization look like a bunch of amateurs.
Can you fathom real head coaches looking at this job and this situation and wanting to coach here?
“So I have to have a player development coach run up to our fake GM who then contacts our real GM who tells me he can play but doesn’t give me enough detail to determine if that means for one play or the rest of the game?”.
The more details, the more baffling.
I’ve never heard of anything like this…has anyone else? Out of all the BS that’s gone on this year, this takes the cake.
hard pail lunch hat
It's ridiculous that this contingency
wasn’t discussed and settled in advance. It’s like these clowns are incapable of thinking more than one half step at a time.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Apr 11, 2010 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is INSANE
I can’t fucking believe that Gar Forman had to call Pax to OK this decision. (!!!) Was it left out of the story that Pax then called Jerry Reinsdorf to clear it with him? Not that Reinsdorf would give a rat’s ass now that baseball season has started.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
So what exactly is Hunter's job? Assistant coach in charge of player development is apparently Dave Severns's job
http://www.nba.com/coachfile/dave_severns/index.html?nav=page
that’s from the Bulls.com roster page. Hunter isn’t even listed as an assistant coach at all on the website. What exactly is he in charge of/what’s his job?
LeBitch and KG's constant showboating, chest pounding, dunking with one hand behind the ear, dancing, and pure and simple rubbing it in is so fucking annoying.
appearntly he's a human text messager
by The90sBullsRevival on Apr 10, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
He's not listed as an assistant coach because at the start of the season he was a player
Chalk his not being listed to poor site upkeep, which is hardly a concern. His job is essentially that of any other assistant coach, I would assume.
Brad Miller is god.
Michael Clayton - a fixer?
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
This is nothing new for the Bulls.
Stan Albeck had to deal with the same arbitrary limit on minutes when MJ came back from a broken foot in 1986.
We miss you, Tyrus Thomas and Ben Gordon!
i really dont get the people supporting vinny
do you think phil, sloan, or poppovich or a better coach wouldve hesitated and said “hey hold up here. i gotta ask management what im allowed to do when the game, not to mention a playoff seed, is on the line”
this is on vinny. he needs to get a brain and grow a pair and think on his own and make his own decisions
VDN - No ................. then who?
I was livid with VDN when Noah wasn’t in the last three seconds of regulation. No way does Lopez get the tip-in with Noah in the game.
I’ve discussed multiple times on BaB Vinny’s in-game decisions drive me crazy but he seems like a decent guy and the players keep playing for him. I would like someone better. We have been through so many coaches on this team I do not have confidence there is a coach out there who will make us better and stick more than two years. We have a consensus that we want someone else – but no consensus on who. On BaB someone names a coach and then quickly someone says no not him and we are off to the races into ambiguity. Here is my incomplete summary:
- I know Phil Jackson will make us better – but he is out of the question.
- Larry Brown would have improved us but he is already looking for his next job.
- I thought Eddie Jordan would have been good and he has done a terrible job in Philly.
- I don’t like Avery Johnson because players tune out his yelling after a certain period of time.
- I like Phil Collns but he comes close to being hospitalized when coaching.
- Scott Skiles looks like the perfect fit. Oh yea we already got rid of him.
- D’Antoni’s in-game philosophy fit Nash-Stoudemire perfectly. Defense wins games and D’Antoni does not emphasize defense. Nash-Stoudemire are thriving without him in Phoenix.
- Mark Jackson has never coached and would ask Jesus to be his top Assistant.
- Maurice Cheeks – nice guy, helps young girls sing the national anthem but can he coach?
Who? who? who?
LOL
I think Phil Collins would be great actually.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
The only way our players will appreciate him is with a prescription for Ritalin!
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
I'd prefer Peter Gabriel.
We miss you, Tyrus Thomas and Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Apr 11, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
NBA TV
Eric Snow and Cheryl Miller were clowning the Bulls for making decisions by going into the stands to talk to management. ESnow said that he was OK with Vinny sitting Noah, but that it was outrageous that the team didn’t have a policy for his minutes in place before the game started. Cheryl said Vinny should have said “f**k the limit” and play who you want to play.
John Paxson please do us (correction "me") a favor and Quit asap!
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
if Paxson quits
I would personally send him departing gifts…
1) a red headband
2) peanutbutter sandwich
and
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
by exult463 on Apr 11, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Fitting gifts
I love it!
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Green for you
"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub
Problem.. Chicago beats Toronto and gets 8th seed, lose 1st round, after season fire Vinny
But still the same stupid management blunders will continue to exists and surface no matter who is coaching, or for that matter playing for the team…
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
Let's cut the BS
This is all irrelevant due to the fact that VDN is gone regardless at the end of it all.
Of course this is a prob with the org but as soon as they hire a coach who really knows what the eff is going on, you would think (hope) this mess doesn’t happen.
They just don’t trust Vinny with the keys to the car. And that’s fine. They’re just begging him to get to the end of a short road without crashing.
He’ll know now that Noah can play as many minutes they need today. In all reality, he should be on the court more than anyone today cause of his leadership and energy in the most important game of the year.
If they win and go onto the playoffs somehow, this will make the org look like the ultimate winners, not Vinny.
They’ll achieve two playoff visits in 2 years under their gamble of an unproven, cheap coach. Getting rid of BG and Tyrus will be an afterthought cause of the “told you so” mentality. You can’t help but think they’ll gloat about it as much as possible.
Shit, I know I would if it all worked according to plan.
But hey, if they lose … Then it’s a completely different story.
They’re just like politians. I’m sure they’d figure out away to spin it around.
Toronto game, please start already.
If the Bulls don’t make the playoffs I won’t need to watch basketball, its on to basketball.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 2, 2010 12:38 PM PDT
by Option27 on Apr 11, 2010 12:14 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I hope it's a special case, and they wouldn't treat all coaches like this
else it’ll be tough to find someone who’s actually qualified to take this job. Except for Org. lifers like Doug.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 11, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I mean, i can't think of any coach, even one hired by this org
Who has been babied through their coaching tenure.
Any “respected” coach would not have so many to jump such hurdles.
But then, it costs some money to get a respected coach so let’s just hope to have that problem when we get there
If the Bulls don’t make the playoffs I won’t need to watch basketball, its on to basketball.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 2, 2010 12:38 PM PDT
by Option27 on Apr 11, 2010 12:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Skiles is respected .. his name comes up in talks as a candidate for coach of the year!
he left for a reason, but he really is smart… he chose to keep a secret because he knew he couldn’t change the establishment.
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
He was a c.o.t.y. candidate in Chicago too
But his “act” eventually wore thin.
I mean it’s what comes with Skiles, right?
I’m still waiting for his act to wear thin with the Bucks like I’m waiting for Blairs knees to give out in San Antonio.
But who are we kidding … This is all stuff we’ve just been told.
If the Bulls don’t make the playoffs I won’t need to watch basketball, its on to basketball.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 2, 2010 12:38 PM PDT
by Option27 on Apr 11, 2010 12:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Blairs knees probably will last as long as Tyrus lasted in Chicago
Who has higher expectation of “Milwaukee” the Bucks than other than 6th or 7th seed ever?… they have already exceeded their goal under Skiles.
Skiles is already on the road to be a successful, respected but potentially (no championship coach). There is a stable place in the NBA for George Karl and Jerry Sloan type coaches..
Forget being told, the witness is already right in front of you. “Half” is better than “none”
old proverb… “believe half of what you see and none of what you are told”
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
Really.. Skiles departed for what reason????
I’d bet it had something to do with feeling strangle in places where it doesn’t feel pleasant.
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
Didn't he leave cause he just didn't fit well with the team
At least that’s what we were told. As far as I knew, they let him do his own thing to the point that the players just couldn’t take it anymore.
If the Bulls don’t make the playoffs I won’t need to watch basketball, its on to basketball.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 2, 2010 12:38 PM PDT
by Option27 on Apr 11, 2010 12:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He said the players weren't responding anymore
and he couldn’t figure out what the problem was or how to get through to them.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Especially when Johnnie Paxson has an open door policy to bypass for players like Kirk and Deng
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
I would love to know the real reason Skiles left!
I perceive that Paxson liked and still likes Skiles. He told Salmons he was going to an excellent coach Salmons would like. I do not fully understand why Skiles really left. If the players sucked we should have changed the players not the coach. Larry Brown comes in and tells the GM what to do, the team does it and gets better. I think Paxson liked Skiles and still likes him.
Imagine sleeping with your buddy's girl friend secretly
The friend discovers, your friendship suffers, yet you still like your friend.
Why wouldn’t Paxson still like and respect Skiles. Paxson was the one who allowed the players to speak negatively, betray and confident to him about Skiles without Skiles knowledge…
Paxson should have said… “he’s your coach, you got an issue address it with him” but the players gained confidence, leverage and continued.
Paxson did know how to handle or address Skiles.. stupid things got public..
Paxson, should have backed his coached as I still say today… he still does the same thing today, secretly hiring Vinny’s replacement …
Pussy…
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
Exactly
But things were done on his terms
If the Bulls don’t make the playoffs I won’t need to watch basketball, its on to basketball.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 2, 2010 12:38 PM PDT
by Option27 on Apr 11, 2010 1:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ooo Skiles knew exactly what was going on... and got paid and played PaxsDorf at their own game..Timing of the departure and all..
The dude got like 23 assists in one game…
Don’t be fooled…
He knows when to pass the ball..
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
30 assists and 22 of Orlando's 155 points
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199012300ORL.html
We miss you, Tyrus Thomas and Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Apr 11, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
He left because he was fired
And the Bulls were regressing.
"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub
History Lesson
The Chicago Bulls are the same organization that won 6 championships
They won having very good players and also an ingredient lacking today…
When the coach and the players together got on one accord and basically told the owner and management to “kiss off”
Paxson, might still believe he is one of the guys (players).. his actions are dividing the team,and isolating coaches because he has other responsibilities and devotion to the owners..
Imagine if they “kiss off” mgmt the other night in NJ….
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
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