Jazz 132, Bulls 108: That's right, Jazz one-thirty-two
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 9, 2010 10:24 PM CST
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| Pace | Eff | eFG | FT/FG | OREB% | TOr | |
| Utah | 95.0 | 138.9 | 61.4% | 36.1 | 35.0 | 10.5 |
| Chicago | 113.7 | 59.2% | 23.7 | 17.6 | 16.8 |
With Charlotte beating Miami tonight coupled with this Bulls loss, the Bulls are now on the outside looking in as far as this season's playoff picture.
But looking at the schedule with Noah out, that part wasn't unexpected. The key is just to not be too far out (both record wise and performance wise) when it's time to make a final run. Because right now it's real bad, not just giving up 100 points in 8-straight games, but following giving up 122 to the Mavs on Saturday with 132 to the Jazz.
Who, granted, are are as scary a team as the Bulls will see all season. They have Williams who can break down any initial defender, a deep powerful frontcourt (who can initiate and complete passes to teammates cutting to the rim), and then when the Bulls would collapse on that frontcourt they had numerous shooters ready to capitalize, tonight's major culprit being C.J. Miles, who went 6-7 from three to finish with 26 points. Do you know how many times a Bull has had 6 three-pointers in a game this season? Zero. They've never even had a 5-three effort.
So this one was likely a loss going in, but the Bulls actually hanged tough for a lot of it through some excellent offensive play of their own. Nearly everyone shot efficiently, from Hinrich and Deng to bench production from Warrick and Murray, and Brad Miller had a surprising 20 point night, including a perfect 3-3 from the arc. Derrick Rose supplemented his 25 with 13 assists, though I think this may have been the first time when I was especially dumbfounded with the lack of calls he'd get on drives. Normally I figure it's not completely about 'respect' and Derrick uniquely can finish (or attempt to) while avoiding contact. While some of that still holds true, when you see that opposing star also be a point guard in Deron Williams, and see similar drives called differently, and it's incredibly frustrating.
So while the Bulls looked good, seeing the halftime stat of them shooting over 60% from the field, leading 14-0 on fast break points, yet still losing by two was a bit deflating. You knew they could not hold that up and if they weren't going to win unless they did a better job stopping Utah. They didn't.
The biggest story about any of these unlikely winnable games isn't as much what happens in the contest but possible effects on future games. And unfortunately the injuries keep piling up. Deng sat out the last 8 and a half minutes after straining his calf, and the post-game show indicated that he will get an MRI tomorrow so it's potentially serious. Taj Gibson had one of his worst games of the season, fouling out scoreless in under 13 minutes with 1 rebound and 3 TOs. Vinny said post-game that Taj's injury issues flared up (like Noah, battling plantar fasciitis) in the game as well, and that he even let Taj stay in the 3rd quarter to potentially pick up his fifth foul because he figured the guy couldn't go much longer anyway. Plus Hinrich looked to have hit his hand near the end of the game. Fantastic.
And no let-ups this week either. Thursday in Orlando, then the back-to-back in Miami. I don't see a team that's quitting, they've actually had long periods of good play in the past two games. But their defense is continually getting torched, and if they don't get healthier (and simply better) on that side of the floor this could be the first couple of many embarrassing results.
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Injuries are one thing
But giving up 132 points is another. That’s just a lack of effort defensively. There should be no team in the NBA scoring 132 points against you regardless of your roster.
And while everyone is blowing Derrick for his offensive game, he is complete crap on the other end. You can’t be a superstar without being a complete player, and Derrick is far from it.
What part of the game screams lack of effort? There's no defensive talent, and they were in the game until the end of the 3rd.
Two best defenders: gone
3rd best defender: a rookie battling a serious foot injury
We’re left with Brad Miller, Chris Richard, and Hakim Warrick. I don’t expect anything but bad defense from this unit.
And nice mention of Rose’s bad defense, it’s only been mentioned every day for about 18 months.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 9, 2010 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
No team should ever give up 132 points
I don’t care who is hurt or how bad the talent is on the court. A team filled with NBA players should never give up 132 points. Those are All-Star game numbers. Joakim Noah is not worth 30 points defensively a game.
I agree
I’m not seeing the effort defensively from our bench players. You know, the ones that are gone after this season anyways, and don’t seem to give a shit about our success this year.
Brad Miller is god.
the ones who we knew aren't good defenders in the first place?
Even Skiles couldn’t get Hakim Warrick to play good D. I don’t think Brad Miller’s desire has to be questioned as much as his age and cement shoes.
I think blaming this on attitude is a cop-out
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2010 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
And Tyrus Thomas!
I blame Ben Gordon
We miss you, Tyrus Thomas and Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Mar 10, 2010 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
That's true, but even though the Bulls are bad, they're not "40 points in the 4th quarter" bad
It’s clear to me that lack of effort played at least some role in their collapse.
Brad Miller is god.
A majority of defense is based purely on effort
by just getting into position and we were not in position all night
by LoveForTheGame on Mar 9, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
So, any team that isn't top 10 defensively simply doesn't try hard enough?
You can argue that hustling for loose balls, grabbing rebounds is a skill, and certain teams win by out-hustling. But, that’s just not the case for all 30 teams.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 10, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
No, he's right.
A large part of defense is simply being in the proper position, staying alert, and staying active. However, some players are a lot better at doing those things night in, night out. The top defensive teams are filled with those players (I consider us in that category), but sometimes the players have a lazy night, and have a bunch more defensive miscues than they normally have.
Brad Miller is god.
i hate the "no effort" thing. i feel like these guys have tried pretty hard every game
since 2008. last night they just looked overwhelmed by a bigger, faster, stronger, smarter and more skilled team.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
by TheMoon on Mar 10, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Well that too
But when you compound that deficiency in skill with laziness and mental mistakes, you give up 40 points in the 4th quarter. I’m not saying we could’ve won, but we could’ve avoided getting blown out in the 4th with a little more composure.
Brad Miller is god.
composure =/ effort
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
so... that stuff is just "trying hard" but on offense, it's not?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Yep.
One thing this losing streak and general collapse has reinforced in me is how much defense begins and ends on the inside. For all the time people spend talking about Rose (bad) Kirk and Deng (good), your perimeter defenders, even if they’re good perimeter defenders, don’t do much to change the game’s outcome.
Your interior defenders, on the other hand, make a really big difference. If you can’t stop opponents close to the basket and collect rebounds, you’re going to be in a world of hurt.
I’m not sure what the Bulls can do right now. I guess if I were them I’d consider sitting moving Deng closer to the basket to play the 4 defensively. He’s a fairly good rebounder and that’s something the Bulls need a lot of help with.
Joe Alexander and all those hops might be worth giving a look too, but that means we’re getting to the point of desperation. But maybe we are getting to the point of desperation…
by Sports2 on Mar 10, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
the bulls should play JJ more at the backup 4
Warrick isn’t helping enough with the defense or rebounding. I really haven’t watched him play since college, so it is surprising to me that he is so awful defensively. Constantly out of position, soft, with no instincts. At least JJ is physical.
I’d rather see the Bulls play big than play small. Murray at the 3 doesn’t work when you have Warrick at the 4 and Miller playing the 5.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 10, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
I haven't seen the recent slide on tv
Have they tried to play Deng defensively against 4s much and let Warrick guard 3s? Obviously there’s a limit to how much it could help, but he might be able to rely on his athleticism more and knowing the system a little less further out on the perimeter. He’d more frequently be able to simply man up on somebody that way.
Deng, on the other hand, knows what he’s doing and is a much better natural rebounder.
Maybe they’re doing that already since I don’t watch the games, but it seems to me Warrick would naturally be a better 3 defensively than a 4. So play him with Deng or JJ or Alexander, but don’t play him against the big guys. Play him against the smaller guys he can bother one on one, and perhaps recover against using his length.
They let Warrick guard 4s and get decimated.
I guess Deng isn’t even healthy enough at this point to be that much of a difference-maker. I’d rather jut see JJ try and use that chubby body of his, I’ve never seen a big man like Warrick with such little knack for defense and rebounding.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 10, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
Especially after watching him a little more, Warrick reminds me a lot of Eddie Robinson
A rich man’s ERobbery, but definably a guy who shouldn’t be routinely defending 4s.
If he’s on the court, put him on the perimeter guy and have Deng, JJ, Alexander, or whomever play the bigger forward, whomever it is. I don’t care if dude is 6’9 or not. He’s a beanpole and doesn’t have the first clue about what he’s doing.
When our best post defender
because of injuries (Taj now, Deng even) is D-Leaguer Chris Richard, and we play all these big power O 4’s of late….that is to be expected….
This is crazy bad.
Brad Miller I guess is a reasonably bad but ok defender when paired up with a classic 5 (Shaqenstein, etc), but how many of those are out there?
Sloan constantly had Boozer and Millsap attack Brad tonight and he’s far too slow for them.
Ok Stacey I'm am so sick of hearing the "Hard Hat and Lunch Pail" nickname for Taj. Enough already, wasn't funny the first time, but you now say it 15-20 times per broadcast. It's enough to make me want to hate Taj, when I don't hate Taj.
yeah
we could have used a non-spastic Taj tonight. He doesn’t do well against physical players.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 9, 2010 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
can you point to a player at the PG position who has to carry his team offensively and who has poor defensive
big men and who is, nevertheless, a good and effective defender? because derrick only started looking really bad defensively recently. up until around the trade deadline he had been playing much better on that end than he had last year.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
ugh
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Kirk wasn't abysmal!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 9, 2010 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
:-p
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 9, 2010 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
Hey, that's even better! ;)
I actually meant that, by the way – I look at it today and it sounds sort of sarcastic, but that wasn’t the intended tone.
we probably still wouldve lost this game
but perhaps we wouldve won one or two of the other 4….
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Remember this quote?
“Everybody was making the right plays, passing the ball right, throwing (alley) oops to each other, just running the offense well. That’s what we need for the game.”
Something is missing.
luol deng is missing?
Chris Bosh-Chicago Bull
by Juan dela Cruz on Mar 9, 2010 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
The offense was excellent
until the game was almost over.
Unfortunately, it’s the defense that’s missing.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
my brother said it was as filthy as the rose on dragic dunk
was it really that bad? or was it just a shocker cuz its hard to imagine a pg dunking on another pg, and the dunker NOT being drose…
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I think it was just shocking because it was Rose getting dunked on. But, karma crept back up on him. The dunk was pretty nice though.
"Where are the FUCKING TWINKIES?"
This isn't good.
Rose better dunk on Dwight Howard or Lebron, and fast…you know, to even things out
by Stacey_Is_King on Mar 9, 2010 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
Rose
Still had the best play of the bunch, that crazy drive through 4 defenders and amazingly ridiculous layup and one…I think right after the DWill dunk
Ok Stacey I'm am so sick of hearing the "Hard Hat and Lunch Pail" nickname for Taj. Enough already, wasn't funny the first time, but you now say it 15-20 times per broadcast. It's enough to make me want to hate Taj, when I don't hate Taj.
it was not as as bad as Rose > Dragic
Rose jumped a bit early and sort of gave up on the block (likely knowing what was coming) so he was headed out of the poster by the time Williams dunked. But it was still quite nasty.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 9, 2010 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
1:00 minute mark
http://www.nba.com/video/games/bulls/2010/03/09/0020900949_uta_chi_recap.nba/index.html
Never mind the “best two young PG’s in the league” to start the highlights. At least Rose has a good dunk, even no one was in the picture, even if it was because he had already done his dirty.
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it looks worse this morning
it wasn’t as much Rose giving up on the block as it was Williams shoving him with his off arm. So on the one hand that gives Rose some solace, but it also looks worse on a poster.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2010 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah it wasn't that bad
there wasn’t much body contact besides Deron pushing Rose down.
by Stacey_Is_King on Mar 10, 2010 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
Playoffs may be a pipe dream
All the teams competing for a spot are playing real well. Bucks beat the Celtics and the Raptors are up on the Lakers big.
Best thing to hope for is for Rose to put the team on his back.
Even if it’s not what you want to see in the long run, and even though it doesn’t address the defensive deficiencies or rebounding, I think that’s what it has to come down to. And if nothing else, it’ll make for an interesting month. Rose should put up 25 shots a night…maybe launch some 3’s as well.
hard pail lunch hat
Rose has been doing that
the Bulls have still lost 5 in a row.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
I agree he has to an extent...
But I’m talking about shamelessly and ruthlessly.
hard pail lunch hat
We're like the Heat,
only with a worse supporting cast!
…
That’s bad.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
We're better than the Heat...
Well, Wade’s obviously better than Rose, but our supporting cast’s better than the Heat’s. Deng’s far better than Beasley, especially on the defensive end of the floor, Noah’s much better than O’Neal, Taj is better than Haslem, Hinrich’s better than Chalmers, and Murray vs. Alston is a push. Q-Rich is a better player than Warrick, but Daequan Cook makes Pargo look good. Their very back end of the bench is better, as they have guys there who can actually play without embarassing themselves, but that difference is negligible.
Brad Miller is god.
I think he's referencing the current team.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Is that not the current team?
Brad Miller is god.
You have to take Deng and Noah out.
Yay injuries!
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
The
Heat will roll out the stiffs, like James Jones, Arroyo, Cook, and #50(forgot his name)
by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 10, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
Joel Anthony?
Aww, I like that guy. I mean, he sucks, but he tries and it’s cool he’s playing. :P
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
And a worse star.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Easier to put team on your back
When you only play at one side of the court.
D Rose has half a game
He is horrible on defense. NBA is just awful at this point.
by Duck99 on Mar 9, 2010 11:18 PM CST via mobile reply actions
He was 10 times worse last season.
And it’s not like Deron Williams and the foul happy Jazz were any better at stopping Rose.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 10, 2010 2:46 AM CST up reply actions
I'm mystified by the Bulls
It’s possible I’m just not that bright, but it’s shocking to me the Bulls have won as many games as they have. They don’t have a lot of talent. So, hanging at .500 should be testament to the coach, but I don’t see a lot of what would traditionally be called “coaching” going on.
Even though I think the 3 departed Bulls (well, two departed and one injured) have talent I have a hard time believing the epic defensive collapse we’re seeing is all due to them being gone. Tyrus didn’t play all that much and Noah and Salmons seem like they alone shouldn’t make that much difference.
Honestly, the Bulls are playing to what I think their true talent is…it’s just too bad they some how won enough games to screw themselves out of a decent draft pick.
it doesn't help the defense when Deng's been hurt the past few games too
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 9, 2010 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
Well as bad as we are, a third of the league has even less talent
Don’t worry, we’ll look passable again when we start playing the bottomfeeders of the league
Brad Miller is god.
Well, they had a 7-man rotation going into the season.
The Rise of Taj gave them 8 legitimate NBA players. Granted, Murray and Warrick are legitimate rotation players, but they are at a much lower level than Thomas and Salmons, the former two should 9/10 man rotation guys. You take out Noah, add in a hurt Deng, that leaves the team with 1 really good player, 3-4 okay players and 2-3 “meh” players. Yeah, that’s not good. When they were winning, they did have better talent.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Mar 10, 2010 7:28 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Warrick's not
At a much lower level for our team than Tyrus was for our team.
I agree talent wise he’s at a lower level, but the way Vinny uses him and used Tyrus this year (probably more minutes to Hakim and he is more disciplined on O) it’s probably closer to a wash there (which is a bit infuriating).
But Salmons even the start of the year slumping Salmons is far superior to Flip….
And the loss of Noah for Miller without a real post defender alongside Brad is magnifying everything.
I wonder if Sam Smith and Neil/Stacey next game are still going to say Taj is the best rookie to ever grace a Bulls uniform.
Ugh, just when I start thinking/accepting Taj, either his injuries flared up is real, or he’s just being exposed as defenses switch to attack him and offenses switch to attack him given how light we are….
Ok Stacey I'm am so sick of hearing the "Hard Hat and Lunch Pail" nickname for Taj. Enough already, wasn't funny the first time, but you now say it 15-20 times per broadcast. It's enough to make me want to hate Taj, when I don't hate Taj.
That's why I didn't say "respectively". I was only speaking of them as a pair.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Got it
Sorry
Ok Stacey I'm am so sick of hearing the "Hard Hat and Lunch Pail" nickname for Taj. Enough already, wasn't funny the first time, but you now say it 15-20 times per broadcast. It's enough to make me want to hate Taj, when I don't hate Taj.
its not a wash because Tyrus was playing D
while Warrick is one of many “scorers” on our team who stop scoring once the defense turns up.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 10, 2010 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
But Tyrus
This year was often out of control and getting yanked.
Look if Noah was out there, Deng was healthy Warrik wouldn’t stand out….
It does suck because Tyrus has gobs of potential, but a shorter leash with Vinny.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
Yeah but Tyrus was out for a month and wasn't getting consistent minutes when he was healthy
So the dropoff to Warrick is pretty marginal.
Brad Miller is god.
When you replace 20 minutes of good~great with 25 minutes of suck
even though it was 20 minutes, the dropoff is pretty large.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
why was Lindsey Hunter doing color on the radio tonight?
did Bill finally take over for Stacey?
I guess Wennington was off watching his son play or something
I watched on DVR so I didn’t try out the radio call. Anybody hear if Lindsey was any good?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 9, 2010 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
I did when I was on the throne.
He wasn’t too bad.
by SoulEater7 on Mar 9, 2010 11:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe they were grooming him to replace Funk
[dreams]
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i think next year
swirks will find his way to the television, you sort of see it coming with all the bulls.com video stuff hes been doing. Although bill wennington couldnt do the play by play the way swirsk (and at his prime funk) could….The bulls could be extra cheap and just have the trio of wennington, king, and swirks do both tv and radio at the same time, sort of like how they did kings first commentary season (wennington playing the part of johnny red, and swirsk taking the part of tom Dor(k)e although i think the promotionals would cause problems
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by piccolomair on Mar 10, 2010 12:32 AM CST up reply actions
I heard about 8 minutes of the first quarter
and 8 minutes of the 4th, but i actually liked the job he did, what i think just made it a bit worthwhile was because unlike most announcers/media guys, lindsey is actually part of the team, he actually sits on the bench, practices with the players, talks to the players, and suffers through vinny del negros coaching strategies, and that really added something to the broadcast that you wouldnt get normally. I mean guys like kc and wennington probably get some exposure to the bulls, but probably nowhere near the level that lindsey hunter got, and hunter would throw in some small anecdotes, or his oppinion of certain players or why they were doing what they were doing just meant a bit more. I actually wish i couldve listened alot more…
One of the things that i liked was in the 4th lindsey and the swirsk were sort of awe-struck by Sloans coaching, and lindsey at some point made a point that the jazz were a well oiled machine, not just the starters, but the bench warmers. Even if d-will wasnt on the floor the plyaers knew what they were supposed to be doing. He also made a point (which i agree with) of how he thought most nba teams tend to reflect the traits of the nba coach, and when you watched the jazz play, whether it be this version of the 90s version, you could see teh similarties of how the team played to how Sloan played when he was in the nba.
He didnt take it much further than that, but i think someone once posted how vdn was mainly a midrange jumpshooter as a player and thats what this team is as well. I would love to know what other things were discussed, but yea swirks and lindsey were fans of sloans coaching….and i was envious…
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by piccolomair on Mar 10, 2010 12:27 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
he compared James Johnson to Carmelo Anthony
saying thats the player he reminds him of, just needs more polishing and better understanding of defense.
I thought the same.
A very, very, very poor man’s Carmelo Anthony. He has the athleticism to hang with SF, the size to hang with PF, and diverse offensive repertoire.
He’s just not as good. And he’s older. And the Bulls don’t develop project players.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Mar 10, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
A little, but Anthony was chubby when he came in.
I don’t what the difference was, but I’d guess half of the weight difference would have been in muscle since Johnson did martial arts and was 3 years older.
But yeah, fat, too.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
the utah jazz are what i want the Bulls to be
they have an excellent play-making point guard, an inside scorer who is excellent in the pick and roll, spot up shooters at the 2 and the 3 who can defend, a spot up big man, and a versatile wing defender.
The Bulls (when healthy) aren’t that far off. They need to upgrade the talent at the 2, get a big man who can score, and get a bench. If the Bulls don’t get one of the big 3, I think they should go hard after A’mare, bring over Asik and sign a free agent wing with some athleticism.
Rose / Hinrich
Free Agent / Hinrich / Pick #18
Deng / JJ / Pick #18
Amare / Taj
Noah / Asik / Miller
As far as the rest of this season goes… its better to think about next year. At least until Noah gets back.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 9, 2010 11:54 PM CST reply actions
i don't see much better on the horizon if we don't get one of the big 3
and no, we didn’t get that in the skiles era
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 9, 2010 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
skiles and sloan are very similar coaches
if you think about it, its just that maybe skiles had a much larger ego or some character flaw that forces people to just tune him out at some point, sloan has the same patience for mistakes as skiles does…which is a big ZERO. People knew derron williams would be good because sloan saw something in him, and sloan is a hard man to impress….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Mar 10, 2010 12:35 AM CST up reply actions
Again
The jazz only exited in the 2nd round once recently. I don’t see where you’re getting that perception.
Brad Miller is god.
In the last 3 years they have
One 1st round playoff exit
One 2nd round playoff exit
One western conference finals exit (like Smurf mentioned)
I suppose that averages out to a 2nd round exit, if you wanna look at it that way, but that’s also in the West. Put that team in the East, and I think they get to the finals at least once.
Brad Miller is god.
In the West
A team like that in the East plays in the Finals. If we can’t get Bosh, Wade, or Lebron, getting Boozer would be my next choice. I think Rose will be better than Deron Williams. And the Bulls supporting cast with a healthy Noah and Deng is better than what the Jazz have around Williams/Boozer right now. If they can nab a Korver/Redick type guy who can just bomb open 3’s, I think they are a real tough out.
what?
In the West
A team like that in the East plays in the Finals.
You honestly think the Jazz are better than orlando and the Cavs?
They can hang with them, that's for sure.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I agree on that
The Jazz aren’t better…but they have all the talent to be as good.
Ok Stacey I'm am so sick of hearing the "Hard Hat and Lunch Pail" nickname for Taj. Enough already, wasn't funny the first time, but you now say it 15-20 times per broadcast. It's enough to make me want to hate Taj, when I don't hate Taj.
Maybe not this year, since the East's gotten better
But 2 or 3 years ago, no doubt the Jazz would’ve been at the top of the East.
Brad Miller is god.
They weren't better than
The old Pistons or Heat that year….
But they’d be amongst the tops.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
A team with Rose, Amare, Deng and Noah
is much more talented than the Skiles team. Get them a real coach, and I think they might get past the second round.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
That's why
I’d love Wade as our SG
and trade Hinrich and Taj and the lower of our 2012 pick to the Pacers for Murphy.
Have Murphy and Deng—two solid mid range shooters, Murphy’s a very good 3 pt shooter and one who causes matchup nightmares, and a great long rebounder on the wings to open the lanes for the 2 headed unstoppable backcourt Wade-Rose Duo, keep Noah as our main post defender.
Course we need to get Wade first, which obviously is much easier in fantasy land than in reality.
I think the Pacers would love a trade for a solid PG that they’ve needed, another legitimate post presence that they keep drafting and the opp for a mid round first draft pick down the line…
Ok Stacey I'm am so sick of hearing the "Hard Hat and Lunch Pail" nickname for Taj. Enough already, wasn't funny the first time, but you now say it 15-20 times per broadcast. It's enough to make me want to hate Taj, when I don't hate Taj.
"flyball.........caught"
no I listened to him and chuck on my way home and seemed to be doing just fine.
The Bulls actually hung* tough.
yay, typos.
On a different subject, this quote is horrific:
“he even let Taj stay in the 3rd quarter to potentially pick up his fifth foul because he figured the guy couldn’t go much longer anyway.”
You know, Vinny, YOU CAN SIT YOUR PLAYERS OUT IF YOU THINK THEY WOULD BENEFIT FROM NOT PLAYING. YOU DO NOT NEED TO HAVE THE REFS FORCE YOU TO SIT YOUR GUYS.
I mean … is this unclear to him? WTF?!?
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
by Prevenge on Mar 10, 2010 12:06 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think he figured it was just better to let him play
instead of having him go out, have the foot stiffen up, then have him go back in. It wasn’t bad enough for him to sit completely.
It made sense to me. Maybe I have stockholm syndrome with VDN
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2010 12:53 AM CST up reply actions
On the bright side:
Kobe just hit another game-winner to beat the Raptors. Suck it Toronto!
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
Wouldn't it be hilarious
if the Raptors missed the playoffs out of all the contending East teams? Bahahaha. :P
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
There is nothing funny
about anything related to the Bulls this season.
by LoveForTheGame on Mar 10, 2010 12:27 AM CST up reply actions
You don't do black humor, obviously.
We miss you, Tyrus Thomas and Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Mar 10, 2010 3:37 AM CST up reply actions
Ideally either Toronto or Miami wouldn't make it
but I don’t see that happening. The trade and the Noah injury have really decimated us.
Thrusting out of the playoff race, one injury at a time.
indeed
we were already a team that couldnt afford to lose players long before the trade, even though tyrus wasnt getting major minutes, losing him to that arm injury had huge effects on this team, and that was before we lost noah. Losing noah and tyrus for permanent reasons…this team wasnt built to take this. Noah was showing signs that the injury would be bothersome all season long before the trade deadline, why management didnt look into getting another big from milwaukee (2 second rounders, salmons, and the right to swipe picks with us!!!! We were bamboozled!!!) instead of alexander just really surprises me. And now with deng showing signs of injury, our roster…its like the ocean….water water everywhere and not a drop to drink…..
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Mar 10, 2010 12:41 AM CST up reply actions
Who knows
This team is so bi-polar that I can’t tell what’s going to happen. Last time I wrote them off they went on a long road winning streak against good teams without Noah.
If they don’t make the playoffs, I’ll be disappointed. But I won’t be that upset. The only thing I wanted out of this season was for Rose to develop into a star. He is almost there. Now bring in an ass-kicking head coach next season who will make him play defense and we’re much better with the free agent pickup.
Or Miami makes it
And gets routed Detroit style last year by the Cavs in a huge 4 game sweep. I actually think that would be more motivating for Wade to leave than him not making the playoffs…..
Ok Stacey I'm am so sick of hearing the "Hard Hat and Lunch Pail" nickname for Taj. Enough already, wasn't funny the first time, but you now say it 15-20 times per broadcast. It's enough to make me want to hate Taj, when I don't hate Taj.
That could easily happen
The Raptors have a pretty tough schedule down the stretch
Brad Miller is god.
So Bryan Colangelo goes and gives Turkoglu a $50 million, 5 year contract so that ...
the Raptors can still be a bubble-lottery team. Maybe a bit worse.
Go, Raptors!
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
i cant believe utah had 34 assists and only 10 turnovers.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
This season from the start has been a throw-away from the get-go.
Yes, the Bulls playing well and Rose’s ascendancy all got us thinking play-offs but this team has NO front court depth with Noah out. So, what does that mean? It means that if Deng is out for any period of time while we are still missing Noah then expect the lottery and pray it is a top 10 pick so we can actually keep it and use it as an asset.
This really burns me
Taj Gibson is 24 years old. James Johnson is 23 years old. Those guys were supposedly drafted for their “polish”.
Well, polish this turd from Gibson and it’s still a turd. Gibson pretty much lost this one by himself.
JJ plays well in spurts but never gets any extended burn, did he piss in VDNs soup? WTF is going on…JJ needs minutes, especially with Deng so banged up.
Gibson's allowed to have a bad game, especially when he's hurt
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2010 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with that
But it’s so painful….but Taj aint the issue, JJ should be Blair…
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
I'd prefer
collison or lawson. It was a PG heavy draft and there were obviously good choices to find Rose a cheap backup for the next 4 years. But then again the bulls would have had to realize that back-up combo guard at 9 million hinrich is not part of the long-term plan which we all know is….blasphemous.
by Sambossanova on Mar 10, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
JJ was emphatically not drafted for his polish, and Gibson was hurt
JJ is New Tyrus, didn’t you hear?
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Question
Did we buy out Devin Brown? I totally forgot about him….not that he’s any good and not that he was playing well for us at all in his initial stint, but I’m surprised he’s not getting any playing time whatsoever…I mean Pargo and Murray suck too….just odd.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
no, they cut Hunter
Brown is still on the team. He had his chance when he first got here and blew it, he’s not appreciably better than Pargo and Murray to the point where it’s worth another chance, IMO
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
I know
You know it’s bad when we’re pining for Devin Brown as an option…but these are trying times.
I really didn’t like seeing any Acie Law after he dogged it in that garbage time breakaway….
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
Lindsey had Wennington's job last night
I heard him on the radio on the way back from work
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
Good God
Earthquakes, blizzards, Bulls lose five in a row, Mike Dunleavy fired, now Corry Haim is dead. Does anyone need any more evidence that the world is ending?
Were you being sarcastic?
Guess I missed it, I assumed you were being serious on account of your other posts.
It's gonna be sad if the two teams the Bulls traded with (Bucks & Hornets) make the playoffs
…but the Bulls don’t.
Without a healthy Noah, this team isn’t as good as the top 8 in the East. Crap.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Mar 10, 2010 10:59 AM CST reply actions
Looking at the last 19 games on the schedule, an OPTIMISTIC scenario is the Bulls winning 9 more games this year.
A more realistic guess is….maybe 6 games?
Hurray lottery, here we come!!!
by KentuckyBullsFan on Mar 10, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
remaining schedule
Thu, Mar 11 @ Orlando
Fri, Mar 12 @ Miami
Tue, Mar 16 @ Memphis
Wed, Mar 17 @ Dallas
Fri, Mar 19 Cleveland
Sat, Mar 20 @ Philadelphia
Mon, Mar 22 Houston
Thu, Mar 25 Miami
Sat, Mar 27 New Jersey
Sun, Mar 28 @ Detroit
Tue, Mar 30 Phoenix
Fri, Apr 2 @ Washington
Sat, Apr 3 Charlotte
Tue, Apr 6 Milwaukee
Thu, Apr 8 Cleveland
Fri, Apr 9 @ New Jersey
Sun, Apr 11 @ Toronto
Tue, Apr 13 Boston
Wed, Apr 14 @ Charlotte
by KentuckyBullsFan on Mar 10, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
I'd say nine.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
We have lost 5 in a row
And we look pitiful. That being said, we are only a half game out, and 1.5 away from Toronto at 6th. That schedule looks pretty scary, but we have a bunch of games down stretch vs toronto, miami and charlotte. Hopefully (plz plz plz) Noah will be looking to make a return around then as well. There is a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel and the glass is 1/4 full my friends.
This is gonna hurt but here it goes!
remaining schedule
Thu, Mar 11 @ Orlando L
Fri, Mar 12 @ Miami L
Tue, Mar 16 @ Memphis L
Wed, Mar 17 @ Dallas L
Fri, Mar 19 Cleveland L 10 game loosing streak!
Sat, Mar 20 @ Philadelphia W
Mon, Mar 22 Houston L
Thu, Mar 25 Miami W
Sat, Mar 27 New Jersey L
Sun, Mar 28 @ Detroit W
Tue, Mar 30 Phoenix L
Fri, Apr 2 @ Washington L
Sat, Apr 3 Charlotte L
Tue, Apr 6 Milwaukee L
Thu, Apr 8 Cleveland L
Fri, Apr 9 @ New Jersey W
Sun, Apr 11 @ Toronto L
Tue, Apr 13 Boston L
Wed, Apr 14 @ Charlotte W
5-15 the rest of the way.
This team looks terrible. They play no defense at all. On Offense they can score but not when they need to (terrible coaching). Worst part is this team isnt even really that fun to watch anymore (for me atleast). I mean i love watching D Rose but i already know he’s awesome. The rest of this team is SHIT/GARBAGE/CRAP throw in the coaching staff too and managment. The playoffs are a pipe dream at this point (regardless if Noah comes back (he’ll be slow and out of shape)
Its gets better though, we get to watch the Bulls epic fail in tryin to get a super star to come play here just like in 2k or whatever.
Wait thats not it. We still got the draft. Ow thats right our picks all suck total ass and our management is a bunch of retards who will pick the wrong freaking guy.
The 09-10 Chicago Bulls. Love it live =( puke….
I'll give each game a % chance that we win
Thu, Mar 11 @ Orlando 20%
Fri, Mar 12 @ Miami 40%
Tue, Mar 16 @ Memphis 40%
Wed, Mar 17 @ Dallas 10%
Fri, Mar 19 Cleveland 30%
Sat, Mar 20 @Philadelphia 50%
Mon, Mar 22 Houston 60%
Thu, Mar 25 Miami 60%
Sat, Mar 27 New Jersey 80% (Noah’s back around this time)
Sun, Mar 28 @ Detroit 60%
Tue, Mar 30 Phoenix 40%
Fri, Apr 2 @ Washington 70%
Sat, Apr 3 Charlotte 50%
Tue, Apr 6 Milwaukee 60%
Thu, Apr 8 Cleveland 30%
Fri, Apr 9 @ New Jersey 70%
Sun, Apr 11 @ Toronto 40%
Tue, Apr 13 Boston 50% (they’ll have likely packed it in somewhat at this point)
Wed, Apr 14 @ Charlotte 40%
That comes out to 9 wins on average.
Brad Miller is god.
I do similar things... only assigning "half wins" almost arbitrarily.
I could still be in the mindset of having a healthy Noah, though. For instance, i don’t see them with a 60% chance to beat Miami or Houston without Noah, and neither a 40% to beat Memphis.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
One thing I haven't heard anyone mention
is that somehow VDN has settled on a rotation that plays Hinrich the least amount of minutes at point guard possible. Routinely at the start of the 2nd and 4th quarters, Pargo is playing point guard while Hinrich is resting on the bench. This makes no sense on several levels. Kirk Hinrich is the 2nd best pg on the team and pg is his natural position. Pargo is like the 5th best point guard on the team and all he does is shoot when you pass him the ball.
Our 2nd unit is already horrible. To further handicap them by not providing a competent point guard who is willing to pass the ball. What use is having scorers like Warrick and Murray with the 2nd unit if Pargo never passes them the ball?
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 10, 2010 12:55 PM CST reply actions
pargo should play a maximum of like 5 minutes a game
if there is no blowout. i don’t understand why VDN keeps putting him in there for long stretches. if he thinks its “instant offense”, then he is even more of an idiot than i thought…. it’s more like “instant decrease in bulls shooting percentage”
Practice beats talent when talent doesn't practice.
by iamsasquatch on Mar 10, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
To further handicap them by not providing a competent point guard who is willing to pass the ball...
is ridiculous? stupid? idiotic? you pick the insult
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 10, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
well then they'd have to sacrifice the starting lineup thrust.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
i read a quote from steve nash about a week ago when he was talking about his chronic pains and
injuries and he said something to the effect of, “these have really taken a toll on me. i can go out and play, but its like my body has no thrust.” maybe vinny picked this up in PHX? maybe PHX picked it up from vinny?
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
They possibly
will be w/o Deng and Taj, thats a loss, major minutes hopefully for JJ, could Joe Alexander get some burn, or 35 minutes of that 3 guard line-up, I wonder what will be going through the mind of our basketball genius VDN
by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 10, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, we're losing a bunch of games now,
but here are Derrick’s numbers since the break:
25 ppg on 54.8% shooting, 4.9 FTA, 3.7 REB, 6.0 ASS. 2.8 TO, .8 STL, .2 BLK. Those are some wicked numbers.
Yeah, his assists are low, but if he had one or two teammates capable of making threes I firmly believe he would be putting up 8-9 assists per game, easily.
This season was all about Derrick developing, right? So at least something is going right.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
That's true.
Go Rose!
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
I’m glad he’s turning out so well, after seeing how critical of him we were at the beginning of the season.
by Stacey_Is_King on Mar 10, 2010 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
Yup.
I was as critical as anyone, and it turned out his injury was much more of a problem than I believed it to be.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
I'd say the bare minimum was to get Rose to develop.
Not “all about”. Obviously. Since they obviously wanted to clear cap space, figure out who was keepable and still try to win playoff games.
Yes, they’ve satisfied the bare minimums of what we should have expected this season. That probably rests solely on Rose. Not the organization, which should not giving you much hope of “something…going right.” (in my opinion)
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
More has gone right than just Derrick developing,
I just only brought up Derrick because of his recent play. Noah showed that last year’s playoff series was no fluke and that he’s got what it takes to be a real solid center in this league, maybe even a one or two time all star. Deng’s been solid and fairly steady while playing in the majority of the team’s games. Taj has shown that he’s at least capable of being a good big off of the bench. Clearly, there was more to be done than just develop Derrick Rose, such as, like you said, clear cap space, but that’s more of a front office thing, so that’s separate from the basketball stuff.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Calm down Bulls fans......
As a Blazer fan, we have seen our share of Utah Jazz arse whoopins this year. If you arent Cleveland, Orlando, OKC, Dallas, Denver, or the L*kers then there is a pretty good chance that the Jazz will score a lot of points on you and look good doing it. They are such a frustrating team to play against. Well coached, tough, effecient, and skilled. The only thing they dont have is length and depth up front.
Dont take it too hard.
Ball handling and dribbling are my strongest weaknesses."—David Thompson
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