ESPN Future Power Rankings
by Dr. Jay on Mar 9, 2010 1:44 AM CST
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9. Chicago Bulls | Future Power Rating: 573
PLAYERS MANAGEMENT MONEY MARKET DRAFT
220 (10th) 85 (17th) 153 (3rd) 66 (7th) 49 (17th)
Last time around, Chicago slid four spots in our rankings from No. 7 to No. 11. In this edition of the Future Power Rankings, the Bulls are back in the top 10, thanks to some savvy moves at the trade deadline that will allow them to chase a superstar in the summer — Chicago native Dwyane Wade, Raptors forward Chris Bosh or perhaps even LeBron James.
By getting further under the salary cap, the Bulls moved up to No. 3 in the Money category, and Chicago remains a top market (No. 7 in that category). And with a nice young core of Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah and Luol Deng, the Bulls are also in the top 10 in the Players category.
Of course, if the Bulls are able to use those factors in their favor and acquire a top free agent, they’ll rocket even farther up the overall rankings.
One sour note: The Bulls gave up on Tyrus Thomas, whom they used the No. 2 pick in 2006 (LaMarcus Aldridge) to obtain. Thomas was inconsistent and difficult, but he still has enormous promise. If he develops his game in Charlotte, it will sting. Still, the Bulls got a future draft pick from the Bobcats in the deal, so it might work out.
(Previous rank: 11)
Question
For market, what’s the top 10, or where do they rank Cleveland, Miami, Toronto, New York / New Jersey, LA?
I’d assume Miami or LA is number one? I guess I don’t know what factors they are using to come up with their ranking though.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 9, 2010 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
The Top 10 by market were:
Lakers, Miami, Orlando, New York, Dallas, Phoenix, Chicago, Boston, San Antonio, Houston.
Why not?
Warm weather would be one of the biggest things I assume, it’s also the fifth biggest city in the US. Chicago, New York and Boston are the only ones not in warm climates. And those three markets are obviously unique. The winningest franchise in history and the two of the three biggest cities in the US.
Miami, Orlando – Warm, better tax laws.
New York, LA, Chicago, Houston, Phoenix, Dallas, San Antonio – All top 10 in population and all but two are warm climates.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 9, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
woah
is it really the fifth biggest city?? didn’t know that……then it makes sense i guess.
Practice beats talent when talent doesn't practice.
by iamsasquatch on Mar 9, 2010 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
But it's filled with old people! Do old people go to basketball games?
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
Taj Gibson does.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 9, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Taj Gibson, Jr. cheers for his dad from the senior citizen section.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
yeah
i looked it up and houston is fourth. how come they are not higher? too many nba teams in texas i guess…
Practice beats talent when talent doesn't practice.
by iamsasquatch on Mar 9, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
so what if they are fat?
there’s food at basketball games lol
Practice beats talent when talent doesn't practice.
Basketball players don't want to play there for fear of being eaten by fat rednecks
Brad Miller is god.
Then they shouldn't come to Chicago
For fear of being eaten by fat Irish people.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 9, 2010 6:24 PM CST up reply actions
honestly, this is annoying as all hell.
I am really getting annoyed that it seems warm weather and scantily clad women are major factors in were free agents go. I mean seriously…are players that concerned over not having to wear a coat, and being able to see bikinis at the beach during basketball season?
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
I second that.
Does anyone have any numbers or anything at all beyond speculation to support the supposed appeal of various cities based on their “marketing potential”? These are guys with national endorsements. Am I missing something?
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Posted previously..
My short version, Rose, a shy PG, not as good as DWayne Wade, sells more jerseys then the much more outgoing, well liked by all, championship winning Wade. (Or David Lee selling as many as Carmelo Anthony or more then Kevin Durant for a much exaggerated but true example).
http://www.silive.com/knicks/index.ssf/2010/01/david_lees_jersey_one_of_nbas_top_sellers.html
That has a top 15 list there.
Now, jersey sales don’t go directly to the player from what I know, but it’s a good indication that, the city the guy plays in matters a great deal in advertising. Nike or Gatorade or whoever, can see which players are the most popular. It’s the players from the big cities, so even though Wade’s commercials are shown nationally, he’d be even more attractive to advertisers if he played in New York. Similar to Kobe out selling LeBron. Kobe has been accused of rape, is not media or fan friendly, and yet he’s still number one.
So basically.. yes, it’s a national endorsement, but they’ll get paid even more for it, if they play for a popular team, which basically means playing in as big a market as possible.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 9, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Since we are all speculating,
I believe the allure of hookers and blow far exceeds that of warm weather for some players.
Oh I didn't read this.. but I agree.
They make so much damn money and they have the audacity to bitch about the weather. What the fuck.. you play your games indoors and most the time you’re on the road.
you guys are looking at this wrong
if given a choice of making $17 million dollars and living in Cleveland and making $17 million and living in Phoenix, 95% of all people are going to choose Phoenix.
Basically, people are making the same “wouldn’t you rather live in Chicago” arguments in regards to Cleveland and Toronto, but the selling point is different. Instead of weather, Chicago has night life and endorsements. Miami has nightlife and weather and no state income taxes. NY has nightlife and endorsements.
When you are talking about stuff outside of money and team, than I think the type of living situation matters a ton. Why should NBA players be any different than anyone else? If I’m 25 years old, have a ton of money and a ton of free time, do I spend it sitting inside in Minnesota or out on the beach in Miami?
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 9, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
The concept of a given city’s allure can never get beyond subjective opinion. Just because you’d prefer Phoenix to Chicago doesn’t mean anyone else, let alone 95% of people do too. Every player upon signing will say “Love it here in ________”, great city, the fans are great…" But it means nothing. What if I’m a young millionaire athlete and I hate adobe architecture…do I still go to Phoenix? Three of the league’s highest paid players are in Boston. Are they revolutionary war buffs? I wouldn’t say the city you’re going to live in or play for is a non-factor, but it’s not one we’re in any position to speculate on.
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Yes
But it still means on average, the players will pick Chicago over Cleveland, Miami over just about anywhere, etc.. sure, every guy is different, but you know going in, if it’s a toss up, Chicago wins over Cleveland or Detroit.
No factor can go beyond sujective opinion. Just because most people think Phil Jackson is a great coach, doesn’t mean LeBron doesn’t think he’s garbage. Just b/c we think he would want to play with Rose and Noah doesn’t mean those guys aren’t his mortal enemies. Hell some guys, couldn’t give a shit about salary. Al Jefferson said he hadn’t heard a max contract yet so didn’t fight for one.
It’s like any other factor, subjective, I don’t know why this one bothers you.
And Boston is different, Pierce was drafted there, and the other two were traded there. They didn’t go there as free agents, so your example doesn’t even make sense. Not to mention it has a great history that could trump nice weather in some players minds.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 9, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, because players are making their decisions based on architecture
its greatly accepted, and there is a ton of anctedotal evidence to support it, that players prefer to play in warm weather climates and big urban cities. you may not like that reality, but it is there. Of course its subjective opinion as to which city is best. But its an opinion that many players seem to share. You act as if the reality that a person may prefer one city for another is somehow shrouded in mystery. Its not.
Are there players who would prefer to play in Cleveland or Chicago than Miami or Phoenix? Of course. Because weather is just one of many personal considerations that a player will take in mind when choosing where to play. But you seem to be upset at the very notion that some players prefer warm weather climates. Sorry, but its the truth. Does Chicago have some things to overcome that? – perhaps. Lifestyle plays an important role in where a player chooses to play and live if the money is equal. That is why Sacramento and Utah aren’t considered big free agent destinations.
If you think single, rich men under the age of 30 aren’t concerned with partying, women and hanging out and are less concerned with the follies of urban architecture or the school systems of Minnesota than I don’t know what to tell you. NY, Chicago, LA, Miami, Houston, Dallas, Atlanta are popular with NBA players because they can support a lifestyle that those players find enjoyable. Those are just the facts.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 9, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
I guess I wouldn't have chosen a deliberately nonsensical example
if I’d known someone would take it literally. Since we are talking about max-contracts, money is equal. I guess now you can use all your inside knowledge garnered from all the “anecdotal evidence” you’ve been paying attention to all these years along with a Foder’s guide to tell us where everyone is ending up? Or can we just break it down by latitude?
hard pail lunch hat
i apologize for trying to have a conversation with you
i’ll let you be angry alone next time
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 9, 2010 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously why do we even have teams in cold climates anymore?
Just make the NBA in every warm climate city. Jesus. Sorry… the old man came out in me.
I'd guess Orlando and Miami get a boost due to no state income tax
Texas teams too (I think).
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 9, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
or I could just look it up
MARKET (0 to 100 points): Appeal to future acquisitions based on team quality, franchise reputation, city’s desirability as a destination, market size, taxes, business and entertainment opportunities, arena quality, fans
Maybe not being a basketball town hurts too. No doubt LeBron would do fine, but I see Julius Peppers being a more famous 6’6" athlete here than Joe Johnson.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 9, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
also, franchise rep.
Thanks M.Jeff, you turd.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 9, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Are the Bulls still considered bastards in league circles?( I took that from Peppers)
I think I heard someone on ESPN say something like the Bulls screwed MJ so LeBron shouldn’t go there. I can’t remember who said it. Avery Johnson maybe? Or someone. Maybe it was Mark Jackson.
the Bulls definitely did not screw MJ
its everybody else they refused to pay.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 9, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
they're two separate things
The Peppers thing just means it’s a Bears town first (through fifth), whereas the Suns (for example) rule Phoenix (relatively)
And yeah I think the ‘Bulls screwed Jordan’ perception may be out there. Though I don’t think it’s true either, and thus why M.Jeff can go screw off.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 9, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think after seeing his HOF speech that I totally side with the Bulls.
He’s just an asshole now. What pissed me off is that he tainted the waters and yeah maybe Duncan and T-Mac were wet dreams to begin with but man MJ did leave the Bulls with a bad image for a good while. But Ben Wallace put that to rest…. (rolling eyes)
well i defended the Bulls earlier
now i’ll defend Jordan. Its not Jordan’s fault the Bulls ended up with a bad rep after he left. They refused to renegotiate Pippen’s contract. They refused to offer Grant money. They didn’t want to pay Phil Jackson. The organization definitely alienated people during that period. They just treated Jordan good. And if he didn’t like how things were being run, he had a right to say so. From my understanding the Chairman and Jordan are on good terms.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 9, 2010 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
agreed
and MJ didn’t get really PAID until his last 2-3 years/contracts with the team. Yes they were fat contracts. Yes he deserved them.
Stupid that the Lakers are #1...
Yet the Clippers are not in the top 10…and they share the same market.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
obvioiusly, you didn't read yfBB above.
http://www.blogabull.com/2010/3/9/1363974/espn-future-power-rankings#32227505
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I don't read him either, so it's cool
neither should you, you guys fight too much and then I have to skip TWO people.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 9, 2010 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
Nope.
I hit the reply button when I read the original post, rather than reading through all the replies to see if someone had addressed the issue…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Playing with Donald Sterling as your owner
Changes the dynamic a lot.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
These rankings are so pointless and irrelevant.
Ultimately it comes down to a player’s subjective preference, much like how people who debate what city is superior end up doing.
The distinction of Chicago as a Bears and Cubs town doesn’t mean anything. Chicagoans love their stars. If Bosh signed here, he’d be treated with the same fervor that Julius Peppers got. Rose has zero personality or charisma, but the city still loves him.
Any major metropolis can offer a NBA athlete the same perks. It’s not like they’re signing with teams based on the art scene or amount of fine dining options.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 9, 2010 3:40 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
This comment is so pointless and irrelevant
I ONLY LIVE IN THE FUTURE!
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
RARRR WHY ISN'T CHICAGO NUMBER ONE WE GOT HOT DOGS AND DA BEARS
DITKAAAAAA MJJJJJJJ
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 9, 2010 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
Actually
I think most players base their decision on cultural opportunities. Oklahoma City will have trouble attracting free agents because their lyric opera blows chunks.
by El Toro de Goro on Mar 9, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
I heard Amare loves the French Impressionists, but Bosh is more of an Etruscan vase man.
hard pail lunch hat
That's funny Bosh strike me more as a philosopher.
On his off days, I picture him debating the merits of existential nihilism rather than passing time at an art gallery.
That just proves what a Rennaisance man he really is. A true student of the world.
p.s. I just read where LeBron was saying how much he appreciates 17th Century Dutch engravings. It might be a subtle way of saying he wants to be a Knick.
hard pail lunch hat
I'm afraid that I agree with you
as the only known 17th Dutch engravings in the greater Chicago Metropolitan area happen to belong to one Vinnie Del Negro who as we all know is already on his way out of town. Sadly, I think the only way the Bulls sign a Tier 1 free agent is if they can somehow convince Dwayne Wade that the Filet de Boeuf at Alinea’s is better than anything that can be found in the numerous trendy bistros in Miami Beach.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXo3NFqkaRM&feature=related
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by headphones on Mar 9, 2010 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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