By the way, the Bucks are getting our draft pick.
by hongydraw on Mar 5, 2010 2:14 PM CST
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One thing we all seem to have forgotten is that in the Isiah Thomas Warrick deal, the Bucks have the choice to switch first round picks with us this year, so long as ours isnt in the top 10. It wont be, and right now we are looking at a situation in which while we sit at home watching the Bucks in the playoffs, we then get to switch first rounders with them and move down in the draft so Scott Skiles can draft an athletic 4 with leaping ability and little offensive upside.
I think it is important not only to make the playoffs, but to get a higher seed than the Bucks. In order to do that, the Bulls need to find a way to dominate the inside (on both ends of the court) without giving away trips to the free throw line, hit some open 3s, and not allow the opponents to dissrupt the passing lanes to such an extent (half court and full court presses that lead to double teams have been common since the Indiana game, and they're leading to fast breaks for the opponents).
It's not going to get easier to defend power forwards and centers any time soon with the likes of Boozer, Howard, and Antawn Jamison and Shaq looming. But something needs to be done or not only to we miss the playoffs and finish with a losing record (attractive to Bosh?), but we also give Skiles and the Bucks our draft pick.
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Thanks for darkening my day Hongydraw. which is hard to do since I live in Tucscon where the sun shines 350 days a year.
So the bulls can wind up in a lose, lose situation by both missing the playoffs and then having to give thier pick to our old nemisis, Scott (rub it in your face) Skiles.
This will be no more than an flea on an elephant’s ass if we land a mega-star in 2010. I’m still dreaming of LeBron, Wade or Bosh, in that order, with a 2nd tier star added after we dump Hinrich’s albatross contract.
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i didnt forget about this
its really the only thing ive been paying attention to since the trades. I dont care about where we seed, so long as its higher than the bucks….but what with the injuries (noah) and the sucking (cmon hinrich, wtfudge) i dont know…..
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
This really isn't that big of a deal
Since it’s top-10 protected, the worst case scenario is that we pick 5-6 spots lower than we could have. To me, that’s hardly something to get worked up over. If we miss the playoffs, I’ll have more things to be pissed about than that.
Brad Miller is god.
at least it should keep the idea of 'tanking' off the table
if the Bulls lose a few more.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 3:05 PM CST reply actions
I hope we do tank
Pray that the Cavs’s win the title…..which IMO would allow LBJ to leave Cleveland as a hero. Therefore he comes to Chicago as the next MJ (S&T trade Deng)….Phil Jackson is the coach for the next 10 years…Pax and JR are discovered in love triangle with a transexual …..Mark Cuban sells the Mavs and buys da Bulls ……spends a lot of money on quality players …….and we win every year …..God I am depressed
If we don't make the playoffs and the Bucks get the #5 seed
the worst case scenario is that we swap the #11 pick for the #18 pick (because I don’t see the Bucks finishing with a better record than Portland who is currently 37-27). Currently the Bulls have the #15 pick and the Bucks have the #17 pick.
While this sucks, it will not strip the Bulls from the chance to acquire a quality player in the draft or make the Bulls miss out on a top draft pick from this season should they win the lottery or just slide into an abyss of losing.
Guys currently hovering around the #15 to #18 pick include James Anderson, Xavier Henry and Willie Warren. Basically all the Bulls did, was ensure that they would be picking in the #15 to #18 range of this draft, if not #1 to #3. Makes Gar’s job a bit easier I suppose.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 5, 2010 3:06 PM CST reply actions
lower cap hold!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
coincidentally, the Bulls need a shooting guard
and their are about 5 projected to go in that range according to draft express. I think Gar plans his mediocre moves 3 steps ahead.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 5, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Really just a non-issue to me
10 – 20 is a crap shoot for the most part anyways.. hell, just look at the Bulls last year with James Johnson at 16 vs. Taj Gibson at 26. It’s not like a John Wall type was going to drop to number 11.
If we really want a guy that is the 3-5 picks better that we could potentially lose in draft position in this trade, we can always add Johnson & a second rounder or some combination to move back up a couple picks.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 8, 2010 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
Well we dont have any 2nd rd picks either
And honestly, I’m more bummed about losing those 2 2nd rounders than I am about the right to swap, which proably drops us only 2 spots on average.
Brad Miller is god.
could always buy them back
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 8, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
hey now
it’s way cheaper than paying top talent.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 9, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
"We spent so much money buying those second round picks"
“can’t get a max FA now, say hello to David Lee”
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
How many second round picks pan out?
The NBA draft isn’t like the NFL or MLB where you can get a solid player 40 picks into the draft. Sure, there are the Gilbert Arenas’s out there once in a long while, but they are the exception to the rule. Not to mention they are easy to get, we could just trade for one if there is somebody we really want in the second round.
Looks at the Bulls current roster.. Rose, Deng, Noah, Hinrich, Gibson, Warrick, Johnson, Law, Alexander. All first round draft picks.
Flip Murray & Chris Richard were the only ones taken in the second round. So the only second round draft picks are an expiring contract and a guy who was in the NBDL. I think we’ll be alright.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 8, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
one good thing about second rounders is that there's no cap hold
though I agree it’s not that big of a deal. An asset is an asset, but it seems like 2nd rounders are swapped/bought so often on draft night they can’t be worth too much. Plus with teams scaling back their rosters across the league, a lot of teams have more picks than available roster spots.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 8, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Does anybody remember
Eddie Baisden or JameSon Curry, I’m glad we don’t have a 2nd rounder, the Bulls would use that to draft Scheyer or Singler.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 8, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather have Scheyer
than Pargo! At least he can actually shoot and neither one plays any defense.
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Yeah well they're still worth something
And I think they’re worth more than moving up a couple spots in the middle of the first round. Didn’t we only get a 2nd round pick back when we swapped our 13th pick for Philly’s 17th pick when we got Sefolosha?
Brad Miller is god.
According to Hoopshype, no.
Draft 2006
Selected forward LaMarcus Aldridge (2nd overall pick) and guard Rodney Carney (16th overall pick).
Traded the draft rights to forward LaMarcus Aldridge and a future second-round pick to the Portland Trail Blazers for forward Viktor Khryapa and the draft rights to forward Tyrus Thomas; traded the draft rights to guard Rodney Carney to the Philadelphia 76ers for the draft rights to guard Thabo Sefolosha.
Just a straight swap of picks. Philly still gets someone they liked (foolishly) but saves money. Weird.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Maybe we threw them some cash that wasn't recorded
Anyways, that just further shows how little value there is in moving up a few spots jn the middle of the first round
Brad Miller is god.
It saved them about a total of $1 million over the first three years.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
According to this site
Yes, and this is how I remember it too:
rights to Rodney Carney, 2007 second round pick (#38-Kyrylo Fesenko), $1M cash
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
thankfully no shaq looming
we get one anderson varejao along with jamison
Practice beats talent when talent doesn't practice.
Varejao
Though always seems to put up bigger than normal O games against us, especially of late….
Ok Stacey I'm am so sick of hearing the "Hard Hat and Lunch Pail" nickname for Taj. Enough already, wasn't funny the first time, but you now say it 15-20 times per broadcast. It's enough to make me want to hate Taj, when I don't hate Taj.
Looks like it's only five spots difference on the projection.
Still don’t know why we didn’t just trade Tyrus preseason and sign Warrick outright.
It’s not like Warrick is a difference maker, but for his price he looked to be a bargain, or at least a risk worth taking. Hell, he costs the same as Gray and Pargo, and unlike those two he’s actually worthy of 10-15 minutes a night.
These head banging, face palming roster decisions really hurt us this year. The back of the bench is only useful when injuries come up, and signing Pargo, Hunter and Gray, a triumvirate of useless players, really hurt us. There’s plenty more talent for the low price they paid for those three, but unfortunately, they chose familiarity over logic or usefulness and it may cost us a playoff spot.
by RyPac13 on Mar 7, 2010 11:54 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Question - if we get a miracle
If we have a second lottery miracle (Rose is the first) and jump to a top ten draft pick which is protected does Milwaukee still get a first round pick from us?
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