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The Eyes Tell Lies

Forgive me, Blog-a-Bull, for I have sinned: I cannot make myself watch Thursday's 105-96 loss to the Grizzlies.

Because of familial responsibilities, I was not able to see the game live. Of course, I recorded it and it's sitting on my DVR. But do I really want to force myself to stomach two-and-a-half hours of blown-17-point-lead agony? Sure, if I watch the game I'll usually re-watch it before writing. But since I didn't have to suffer through the disappointment the first time through, why would I want to do it now?

Cogent analysis, I suppose.

But who needs that? I refuse to suffer through the indignity of another soul-crushing loss. Instead, I am going to do the unthinkable and write this entirely blind. This might seem insane to the demographic of statistic-eschewing eye-believers, but one fact remains: while numbers don't lie, our eyes most certainly do.

Our vision is not a security camera, merely recording everything in front of it (most notably, like that time I crotched that pack of Big League Chew). Rather, everything is filtered through our brain. And when we watch, more often than not what we see becomes ensnared in a web of confirmation bias, which is a tendency to interpret information in way that confirms one's preconceptions.

Look no further than the case of Tyrus Thomas.

I loved Tyrus. What I'll remember most about his Bulls career are the flying dunks, the uncannily-timed blocked shots, and a much-improved mid-range jumper. However, plenty of people watched the exact same games I did, and their overarching perception of Tyrus is centered around play that was alternately out-of-control and indifferent, poor shot selection, and repeated failures to rotate defensively.

The thing is, Tyrus did all of those things, albeit to differing degrees. And I think most fans would acknowledge that. But depending largely on what you had decided Tyrus was -- either a waste-of-a-lottery-pick malcontent, or a guy who just needed consistent playing time -- you primarily perceived the moments that would confirm it.

Therefore, if you want analysis in its purest form, ignore them lyin' eyes. With that as my motive -- and due in no part to my overwhelming laziness -- I have the following observations about Thursday's game, based exclusively on the box score and play-by-play data:

The Bulls frontcourt can't stop anybody

Zach Randolph's night: 31 points (12-18 FG, 7-8 FT), 18 rebounds.

Hard to believe that this is the guy that the Grizzlies were roundly mocked for taking off of the Clippers hands this offseason, and the same one that the Bulls, even given their dearth of low post scoring, showed absolutely zero interest in acquiring at several times over the last few seasons.

Randolph was just the latest power forward to have his way with the Bulls. Over the last six games, the Bulls have yielded the following to 4s around the league*:


Blatche Aldridge Smith Randolph AVG
Min 41 44 34 40 39.8
Pts 25 32 17 31 26.2
FG 8-13 15-23 7-14 12-18 10.5-17 61.8%
FT 9-9 2-2 3-4 7-8 5.3-5.8 91.3%
Reb 11 7 18 18 13.5
Ast 2 0 4 1 1.8
Stl 2 1 2 1 1.5
Blk 2 0 2 0 1
TO 3 3 3 2 2.8
PF 2 4 4 2 3

 

* Luckily, there were two games involving Troy Murphy sandwiched in there, so they can kind of stop somebody who is eminently stoppable.

And this is the downside of the Joakim Noah injury, combined with the Thomas trade.

Until Noah's injury, the Bulls frontline had three of the 20 best shot blockers (on a per-minute basis) in the league. Now they are playing without the better two of those three, leaving Taj Gibson as the only shot-altering threat they have. Luol Deng's 59th-best rate (1.22/48 min) is second highest among healthy Bulls, and less than a third of Tyrus' (3.82).

While the play of Brad Miller in Noah's absence was significantly acclaimed -- and, just as significantly, has dropped off of late -- probably the most underrated reason the Bulls were able to initially weather the storm of Noah's injury was the presence of Thomas, who defensively does a lot of the same things. With Thomas now gone as well, that leaves only Gibson and his still too foul-prone ways defending the basket. Which is why we're seeing a whole lotta 4s go off on the Bulls.

Piss-poor second quarters are destroying the Bulls chances

Against the Grizzlies, the Bulls 13-point first quarter lead had shrunk to 6 by halftime. Which continued a disturbing trend: somehow, dating back to last Wednesday's Pacers game, the Bulls have been outscored by at least five points in five straight second quarters:


Q2 Score
vs. Indiana 36-21
vs. Portland 29-21
at Indiana 29-23
vs. Atlanta 25-20
vs. Memphis 26-19
AVG 29-21
Per 48 116-84

 

What's happening here is as clear as it is frightening: The second quarter is when the backups play the most, and the Bulls bench, the team's strength as recently as last year, is now a glaring weakness. Obviously, having Noah out hurts here too, but the problem runs deeper than that. The bench is now comprised primarily of two guys:

Hakim Warrick
vs. IND POR @ IND ATL MEM AVG
Min 15 34 17 25 25 23.2
Pts 5 15 4 10 6 8
FG 1-3 6-11 1-3 3-10 1-3 2.4-6 40%
FT 3-5 3-3 2-2 4-4 4-5 3.2-3.8
84.2%
Reb 1 4 4 7 5 4.2
Ast 0 3 0 1 0 0.8
Stl 1 0 1 0 0 0.4
Blk 0 0 0 1 0 0.2
TO 1 1 2 1 0 1
PF 0 3 2 2 1 1.6
+/- -2 -4 -3 -5 -13 -5.4

 

and

Flip Murray
vs. IND POR @ IND ATL MEM AVG
Min 33 21 19 31 19 24.6
Pts 16 8 2 12 4 8.4
FG 4-12 2-5 0-2 6-13 1-7 2.6-7.8 33.3%
FT 8-10 4-4 2-2 0-1 2-2 3.2-3.8 84.2%
Reb 6 3 2 3 2 3.2
Ast 0 1 0 2 2 1
Stl 3 0 0 3 0 1.2
Blk 1 0 0 1 0 0.4
TO 3 1 1 2 2 1.8
PF 3 1 3 1 2 2
+/- 3 7 -12 -5 -11 -3.6

 

Warrick and Murray essentially replaced two players, Thomas -- who had a loyal and vocal following -- and John Salmons, who didn't. And Murray and Warrick's collective shooting slump presents a huge problem, because while both were supposed to bring improved scoring, they are significant downgrades defensively.

The Bulls have tried to sell a Warrick-as-superior-defender-based-on-positioning line of bullshit, but the numbers tell a different story. According to baketballvalue.com, with Warrick on the court, the Bulls have a defensive rating (points allowed per 100 possessions) of 110.51. Without Warrick, they are at 103.83. That's a net of +6.68 (a positive number is not a good thing, in this case).

As for Murray, the Bulls are at 109.77 with him; without him, 103.89. He is then at +5.88.

Admittedly, there are issues with the data sets. For starters, as with all +/- stats, there are issues of multicollinearity, which I'll let ESPN.com's John Hollinger define:

Since the same players tend to play together most of the time, it's tough to tease out to what extent each is impacting the unit's results unless you have a massive number of observations.

Basically, if every time Bill Russell came out of a game, Bob Cousy did too, Cousy would have an amazing +/- rating which he (presumably) would've done little to merit. But the problems with Warrick's and Murray's numbers go beyond multicollinearity, because their off-court numbers include all of the Bulls data from the time before they were acquired. And most of that data came when the Bulls had the benefit of Joakim Noah's services, and he is arguably their best defensive player.

Or is he? Over the course of the season, the Bulls are at 105.46 with Noah on the court, and 103.01 with him off, for a net of 2.45. That shocked the hell out of me.

Still, because the sample size of on-court data is so small, I wanted to look at Murray and Warrick's numbers from before the Bulls acquired them. With Warrick on the court, the Bucks were at 105.82; without him they're 102.05, which is the kind of thing likely to happen with a power forward averaging 0.6 blocks (and 0.7 steals) per 36 min over the course of his career.

Besides, should we really be surprised that Warrick's defensive prowess was greatly exaggerated? If Warrick were an ace defender, would he really have fallen out of favor in Milwaukee with defensive-bug-up-his-ass Scott Skiles as their coach? If Warrick had some magical defensive ability that didn't show up on the stat sheet, I'm confident that Skiles would've sussed it out; instead, he had his minutes significantly reduced over the course of the season.

Murray, on the other hand, looks a little more competent in his Bobcats context. Charlotte was actually a better defensive team with him on the court, with a rating of 102.26, as opposed to 104.64 with him off. While his numbers are more encouraging, overall the swap of Warrick-Murray for Thomas-Salmons has not been a good one defensively. Because among Bulls who have played any real minutes, Thomas (-3.36) and Salmons (-4.60) had the two best net defensive ratings on the team.

Let me say that again: The two best.

Salmons was very long for a shooting guard, so while it's surprising he would've fared so well, it's not a total shock. As for Thomas, I suppose that maybe this means his positives as a defensive player -- primarily, his shot-blocking and ability to pick up steals -- outweighed his perceived failures.

Despite what your eyes may have told you.

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Shockingly teams have discovered that the Bulls two best interior defenders
are in Charlotte and on the bench injured.

by kingles on Mar 6, 2010 12:07 AM CST reply actions  

MrSportsKnowitAll you have once again lived up to your name.

It’s ok to talk the talk if you can walk the walk and with your writeups I think it would be more appropriate to say you sprint by the rest of us who are still walking slowly and not sure if we’ll ever get there. Some of your fellow bloggers will be thrown into a tizzy or have a hissy fit (every now and then, I like to get in touch with my feminine side instead of always trying to be macho by using crude gutter language, like pissed off or get over it a##hole, move on) when you try to make your case by using (forgive the language) statistical data. That always sticks in the maw for those who want you to see what’s in their eyes rather than their brains.

My selective vision already told me that Tyrus was an excellent defender with the bulls, but Salmons numbers came as a complete surprise. I knew he was an improvement over Ben, but I guess his offensive failings colored my perceptions of his defensive contributions.

I had drawn the same conclusion you did when I predicted our forwards would be exposed (before the losses) once Noah wasn’t there to hide some of the defensive lapses because “the front court can’t guard anybody”. My only disagreement with your taking Murphy out of the equation is that he also had solid games averaging 15 ppg while converting 12 of 21 (.571) during this stretch. Granger also made toast of Taj during the last Pacer game when he tried to stop him after being burned by Murphy and Hibbert.

Our new bench players have regressed after a strong initial showing as your numbers demonstrate. Meanwhile Fish has led the Bucks in scoring since the trade and his defense has also helped rack up 8 out of 9 wins while averaging 20 ppg, with the only loss an OT heartbreaker against the Nuggets where he scored 32 points.

Tyrus has continued to shine on both ends of the court while earning the full confidence of hard nosed Larry Brown, as evidenced by the fact he has played the entire 4th quarter in all 8 games since he’s joined the Bobcats. He stopped both Gasol and Odom tonight and helped run the tired Lakers off the court by hitting 7 of 12, keeping up his torrid pace of converting 82 of his last 144 attempts (.577) while grabbing 9 boards (6 in the crucial 4th quarter) coming off the bench as their new 6th man to bring instant energy and instant offense. Just as Taj gets the first opportunity to score very often, it seems Tyrus gets a similar chance with Charlotte.

As one of the Bobcat bloggers noted, “I didn’t know Taz was such a good shooter” while another said the Bulls made a big mistake letting him go. I can’t help but agree and the wound is still festering. I’m afraid it won’t heal until the Bulls sign a max free agent or by some miracle, make it past the first round this season. And no, i have no intention of letting go until the bleeding stops. I also know the Bulls were 18-11 (.621) with him and are now 13-19 without him (.406). I also believe if Vinny had a brain and not taken the starting position away the wins would have been even higher because Tyrus always had stepped up his game the more minutes he got. Tonight he had one turnover in 31 minutes, an offensive foul.

Although the Bobcats are 3 and 5 since his arrival, they’ve beaten the Cavs, Lakers and Grizzlies, while losing close games to the Clippers, Jazz, Bucks and Mavs, while getting blown out by the Celts in the Garden. That’s a tough string of games for a crippled team and now the Bulls have to face a more dificult schedule during this stretch with Noah out and our replacements making less than stellar contributions

Your photo of Randolph going in for an easy layup (against the Bulls impenetrable wall of defenders who looked like they were trying to play tag and missed) pretty well paints a picture of what’s been happening lately. When he went against the Bobcats there were photos of Tyrus about a foot over his head blocking one of his layups from behind. Oh for a taste of the good old days.

The Bulls need to step up their defense and hang in there till Noah returns when the schedule is much softer or else they’ll find themselves falling out of playoff contention. Once again you’ve proven that although our eyes may decieve us, the numbers don’t lie.

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If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard

by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 6, 2010 2:46 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

With you 100%

The only outcome that doesn’t cement Gar Paxdorf as an utter failure is if your name changes to Boshmancrush.

The only people who are fooled otherwise are engulfed in misguided expectations and hyper-sensitivity that Tyrus was essentially a #2 overall pick. All that don’t mean crap once the ball is bouncing on the court, which I think will be painfully, painfully obvious over the coming years.

by Bill Cartwright's Elbow on Mar 6, 2010 6:01 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I'd be content with Wademancrush

I also wouldn’t mind seeing amaremancrush or boozermancrush roaming around here next season.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Mar 6, 2010 6:54 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

for your great writing as always, funny pictures, and google search of salmonsmancrush lol.
and although i also believe that we were better with fish and tyrus, i think it was necessary to move them both, cause we needed the cap space for the summer and we weren’t playing thomas anyways……

Practice beats talent when talent doesn't practice.

by iamsasquatch on Mar 6, 2010 9:09 AM CST reply actions  

Salmons and Tyrus - tough decisions that make me sad

Salmons and Tyrus leaving makes me sad. I am glad we opened up sufficient cap space to go after a top FA. I’m glad we get a first round pick for Tyrus who we were going to lose for nothing. I really thought Salmons was a solid player and I miss him. I seem to like young players with potential. Tyrus must have been a real pain for the Bulls to have traded him. They could have kept him the rest of the season and waited to see if they got a free agent before deciding if they were going to offer the qualifying offer. Of course if we lost him we would get nothing in return. I loved his energy and ability to impact the defensive end. There is no doubt his dumb plays would make me shake my head is disgust. Despite that I would have loved to have kept him, but Tyrus may yet turn out to be a bust.

I do not know how Charlotte can sign Tyrus and still sign Felton who is a free agent. If they sign Tyrus to the qualifying offer Charlotte’s salary would be $59,536,980 for only 10 players. This would be way over the cap making it impossible to sign Felton.

I still miss Tyrus’ spectacular plays. However come September if we lost him for nothing I would be pissed at the Bulls for not trying to get something for him. If I sound ambivalent it is because I am.

by chgobr on Mar 6, 2010 9:11 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks again.

I really enjoy your posts. I know they take a long time to write and you don’t get paid. Thanks for making the effort. You should get a tip jar or something.

by Jeff Ullrich on Mar 6, 2010 11:38 AM CST reply actions  

There is no need for you to watch the replay

Tonight’s game will be another Bulls Disaster.. same shit.. different day

by SobersUP on Mar 6, 2010 5:39 PM CST reply actions  

I've already lit up my victory cigar and I don't even smoke.

The Mavs have been squeaking by during this streak and now have 4 players out including their 2nd best scorer. I know we all thrive on pessimissm here at Bab but tonight’s the night. Bank on it. If I’m wrong I’ll seek solace in SKIA’s obituary which I assume will follow right after the wake.

Remember just a couple of days ago, the Bears seemed like a lost cause and now like Lazarus they have risen from the dead. I see the Madison Avenue crypt starting to open through my crystal ball. I’m just going to sit back and enjoy this. I even see our new guys have good games and JJ getting some decent burn. Maybe it’s just that i despise Mark Cuban that is coloring my judgement. And of course if the Cows do win, I’ll be first out of the gate tooting my own horn bragging about the accuracy of my prediction.

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard

by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 6, 2010 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

we fucked

Hate List, 1. JR 2. Garpax 3. Deng 4. Kirt 5. VDN 6. Pat Riley 7. Pargo 8. The name Tyrus Thomas or he looks good in a headband 9. Kirt lovers that only support the Bulls because Kirt's from Iowa 10. The Luol Deng stat support group 11. Lindsey Hunter on the roster for almost 2 seasons 12. After a made Kirk Hinrich basket posting KIRK!!! 13. Luol Deng's same fake perplexed post game speech to reporters.

by SoulEater7 on Mar 7, 2010 1:39 AM CST reply actions  

My prediction was wrong again, so I have to put my party hat away along with my kazoo.

I was right about JJ, saying he would get some decent burn. There was a large splinter on the bench he was glued to and it went right into his ass cheek causing a painful but not serious burn. I didn’t expect the rookie with the French name to go off again and deluded myself that their forwards wouldn’t put 80 points on the board in the 2nd of a back to back after a long road trip.

But than I also didn’t factor in enough Vinny nitwit rotation suckage which almost assures pulling a loss out of the jaws of victory. Pargo, Jannero f’ng Pargo? again? Please someone, send Vinny to an all expense paid vacation to Oz and have the wizard give him a brain.

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard

by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 7, 2010 3:52 AM CST reply actions  

Pargo was actually decent

ForEdie the first tine, he actually did shoot us back into the game, instead of shooting us out of it. I have no problem with vinny stickigg him into the game when we were down by 14. I’m with you 100% on James Johnson though.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Mar 7, 2010 6:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Do you think Pargo

shoots lights out in practice and that Vinny thinks he will do the same in the games? Does Vinny ever look at Pargo’s stats?

OK I don't know shit about basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Mar 7, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Pargo was OK…for Pargo I mean…

Yes Pargo did score 11 points in 14 minutes, but he also took 10 shots to do it. Those 10 shots would have been taken by somebody else if Pargo hadn’t taken them. For example:
DRose- 34pts.- 22fga.
Brad- 17pts.- 11fga.
Kirk- 14pts. – 9fga.

Plus the 3 guard lineup fatally damaged the Bulls chances to get defensive rebounds when the Mavs finally went slightly cold down the stretch. It was more the cooling off of the Mavs late in the game, and DRose that got us back in the game, not Pargo’s shooting. He was 4 out of 10 after all. As MrSportsKnowItAll says at the top…the eyes tell lies.

by kingles on Mar 7, 2010 11:05 AM CST reply actions  

Oops, was supposed to be a reply to Poloplaya14

by kingles on Mar 7, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah but he was 3/7 from 3

11pts on 10 shots isn’t bad at all, and for pargo, it’s very good. And most of his minutes came after the bulls got down by double digits late. And given that the mavs went to a zone for most of the game, the 3-guard lineup was actually not a bad idea, I think. It was certainly effective offensively, and we still managed to outrebound them. We lost because the mavs were simply a better team. That and the fact that their reserves played way over their heads. Aside from beaubois’s huge game, najera, barea, and Stevenson hit 5/10 on 3-pt shooters. And those guys are pretty bad 3-pt shooters, all at about 30% or below. On average those guys combine to hit 3/10, and those 6 pts were the difference.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Mar 7, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

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