Grizzlies 105, Bulls 96: Life After Noah
| Pace | Eff | eFG | FT/FG | OREB% | TOr | |
| Memphis | 92.0 | 114.1 | 53.9% | 30.3 | 37.1 | 17.4 |
| Chicago | 104.3 | 46.4% | 22.9 | 21.4 | 14.1 |
It may seem like I don't stick up for this group often, but I was a bit perturbed when the first thing Kendall Gill mentioned in the CSN postgame was how the Grizzlies 'wanted it more' when it came to their offensive rebounding margin and ability to chase down other loose balls. It wasn't a matter of 'want to' tonight, and it's dangerous to accuse this team in particular of not giving a good effort, since it's basically effort that gets them into any game (and one of VDN's definite strengths as a coach).
But what gets them to offensive rebounds is Joakim Noah, who's one of the best in the league at it. They happened to be going up against another in that tier in Zach Randolph, who absolutely punished the Bulls frontcourt tonight with 18 rebounds (surprisingly only 4 offensive, sure seemed like more) and 31 points on 18 shots. Randolph was an absolute monster, and I actually thought that Taj Gibson* started out well against him in an initial defensive set. But then Randolph was getting second chances, then he had a nice dose of Hakim Warrick to absolutely abuse, and then he was in a complete groove (and seemingly a bit peeved at the refs and Bulls bench too?) as he bludgeoned the Bulls into the penalty and Taj eventually out of the game.
Despite that I thought it was overall actually quite the effort by the Bulls frontcourt, as Brad Miller managed to frustrate Marc Gasol for most of the game as well. But eventually it did catch up to them, and with the starters out it was even worse.
Despite the effort, this was a tough loss nonetheless because the schedule gets no kinder, and while the Grizzlies are one of many over-.500 teams the Bulls are seeing soon, they're barely over that mark, were coming off a game last night and the Bulls were rested two days and at home. When the Bulls jumped out to a 17-point first half lead it seemed like maybe the Griz would be out of gas tonight, but then the game slowly turned as it just seemed like they were able to score far more easily than the Bulls.
Then again the Bulls usually have trouble scoring, and while without Joakim they may be more skilled offensively they do miss out on the easy baskets. Derrick Rose had one spectacular dunk but otherwise struggled to finish inside, and then when he instead would kick out to an open shooter, that shooter would usually miss. Kirk Hinrich and Flip Murray were absolutely abysmal, combining to be 6-20 and 2-10 from three-point range. The Bulls had a lead until the middle of the fourth (again, this was a good game overall by them) and you'd have to think a couple more of those 3-point attempts go in in the 4th and they could've had this even while encountering such major difficulties with Randolph on the other end.
In fact one such 3-point miss by Hinrich was called a 'potential back-breaker' by Neil Funk...as the game was tied 90-90 with 4:48 remaining in the game. Interestingly enough when Gasol immediately followed with his own 3-point play that was not called a 'back-breaker' for the Grizzlies. Though as silly as designating any shot with that time and score situation such...in Memphis' case it actually could've fit.
In more worrisome news, Hinrich sprained the same ankle twice in the 2nd half, with that last occurrence knocking him out of the game. Obviously the Bulls can't afford for him to lose any time, and I don't mean that in the sarcastic 'the Bulls can't afford to lose Hinrich ever because they luuuuvvvv him' manner.
*Shooting 60% from the field since the trade deadline, by the way. He actually has shown a good post game and makes sure to use it when he has a mismatch advantage. Heck, with Noah out, Taj is actually one of my favorite Bulls to watch now, what with him not being gone after the season or being Kirk Hinrich.
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Sorry I'm done with the Bulls
Bears are spending, Bulls are cheap. Peace…
by LoveForTheGame on Mar 5, 2010 12:17 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Good thing its about the love of the game for ya
and not the money aspect.
wait…..
DA CUBS DA BEARS DA BULLS
I was joking
Bulls will always have my heart, no matter how much they care about profiting over winning. It’’s the sad, but true facts.
by LoveForTheGame on Mar 5, 2010 12:44 AM CST up reply actions
Obviously Memphis won the game with their dominance in the frontcourt
But that was expected.
IMO, there were two other big reasons we lost which weren’t expected.
First, Derrick Rose couldn’t buy a call. He finished the game with 2 FTAs, when he easily could have 8-10. If he got half the respect that the Kobes and LeBrons got…. Oh well, hopefully that’ll change next year when things truly matter.
Second, other than a flashy reverse dunk from JJ (who got only 3:31 of playing time after playing reasonably well against ATL, sigh) and a nice little 7-foot jump hook from Richard (he can do something on offense, who knew?), the Bulls got zero production from their bench offensively. And considering that our bench players are primarily offensive-minded guys, that was inexcusable. Memphis is one of the only teams in the league with a worse bench than ours, and we failed to take advantage of that. Murray was downright awful. Hinrich shot poorly, but at least he managed to get a few assists, and he was active defensively with 4 steals and 2 blocks. Murray, on the other hand, showed why Charlotte wasn’t too bent over losing him. If Kirk’s out for any length of time, the Bulls might be truly unwatchable with Murray starting at the 2 and Pargo as the 3rd guard.
One last thing, Deng did a fantastic job on Gay defensively. Deng was clearly the superior player tonight. Just something to note for the guys who are suggesting we try to sign Gay and trade Deng this summer.
Brad Miller is god.
Personally I think he would thrive as a Bull next to Rose.
Deng is awful on the break his vision is bad because he’s always looking at the ball. If Rose had a runner like Gay next to him I think you’d see Gay thrive. I can’t speak on his defense because I didn’t really pay full attention or know much about it. I just think he’s a perfect 3 outside of LBJ that could help the Bulls.
I don’t think Luol Deng is a good fit with Rose.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Except that Deng is great on the break
He has a tendency to be a little selfish at times, but he’s a good enough finisher where he can get away with that. He just about always gets the bucket or makes it to the line. I never bought the idea that Rose-Deng wasn’t a good fit. The only problem I ever saw with that combo was Deng’s lack of 3-pt shooting ability, something he’s improved a lot this year.
Brad Miller is god.
Deng's lack of 3 point shooting
would be even less a of a deal if we had a 2 that could knock them down either!
by 72-10 on Mar 5, 2010 7:29 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I know, when will
Kirk knock down that momentum changing 3, I need the $9mill dollar man to make open shots, get me 15 points a night, please Kirk.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 5, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
I think Deng is fine on the break
but he’s never going to be athletic enough to be great.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
And Mayo may never play enough defense to be great
Brad Miller is god.
And by Mayo I mean Gay
Brad Miller is god.
Deng shoots a higher pct on 3s
Gay – 3P% .320
Deng – 3P% .391
I havent seen enough of Gay but im sure he jacks up way more threes than Deng
I prefere Deng to Gay – just get a solid SG who can shoot and a low post presence and Deng will fit in perfectly
"Where is my poster machine??"
I don't see what that has to do with anything
but ok.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just saying I don't see Gay as a clear-cut upgrade over Deng.
Brad Miller is god.
I agree, I was just talking about Deng's fast-break prowess.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
I was unimpressed with Rudy Gay as well
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
Sam Smith really hammed up the Rose and fouls thing
too, and I really don’t see it. He doesn’t draw contact like the elite scoring guards, and while it may be an annoying skill it is one he needs, not the whining to the refs skill that Sam implies is missing (though that couldn’t hurt either).
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
I'm speechless.
They have to get their shit together. Part of it was just Z-Bo destroying the Bulls bigs but you have to come to the game focused to play. I can think of one player who really hurt the Bulls tonight, hurt or not you have to pay better than that. This is about to be 4 losses in a row. They could be knocked by Monday.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Did any of the
Bulls’ defenders realize Z-BO is left handed, and they kept letting him go left
by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 5, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Damn mobile phones
I wanted to say that I was wondering that during the hawks game with Josh smith. There was no problem for him either going left. Surely vinny knows enough to let players know that… Maybe?
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
by Yibs on Mar 5, 2010 11:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ive been saying it ever since the Portland game
The Bulls cannot win without dominating the painted area both on offense and defense, as well as shooting semi-decent from 3. Those are the two most important aspects of the style of ball they play, and unfortunatley they are the two least present aspects as well.
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
the bucks are doing very well now, the time off seems to have done wade some good and
toronto will be back humming when bosh returns. basically, the bulls have to hope nazr muhammed and chandler stay hurt and that gerald wallace and jackson play like theyve logged too many minutes this year, otherwise i dont see how the bulls make the playoffs.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
by TheMoon on Mar 5, 2010 1:08 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
its funny, i watched this game and i could have sworn rose missed a bunch of layups,
but he was actually 6-10 on close shots. its his 3-11 on jumpers that really hurt his offense tonight. but the idea (take half your shots close to the basket) was a good one. and of his jumpers only 4 were from 17+ feet. 17 shots from 15 feet and in is going to be successful more often than not for him. he was probably due for a night like this anyways, since its pretty hard for a lone offensive threat (and a perimeter player and a PG no less) to keep up 23 points a game on 55% shooting.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
It also hurts
when our PG gets beat up attacking the basket, and refs continue to swallow the whistle.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 5, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Indeed
We should be getting something for JR’s dough, more than what we’re getting on the court. We were only represented by DRose at the ASG…Him and him alone. Our second most recognizable bull is down, a letter to Stern is in order.
You miss 100% of the shots you never take...
-something i heard, probably basketball related
by The Mattador on Mar 5, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
hes not getting beat up. he contorts his body away from contact all the time. watch rose and then
watch another elite perimeter player, and notice the difference in the force and strenght with which the other guys go right at the hoop/defender. rose doesnt do that at this point.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
i like how
you combined hinrich’s 5-13 with murray’s 1-7 shooting to call them both “abysmal.” 5-13 is bad, but not terrible, and Kurt also had 4 assists, 4 steals and 2 blocks. You can’t call that abysmal. It’s really the bench that failed us today, along with the absence of Noah.
Practice beats talent when talent doesn't practice.
In what universe is shooting 38% not terrible?
I keep waiting for Hinrich to pick up the shooting stroke for the stretch run like in past seasons, but he just keep playing worse. I’d bet the Bulls would have a better shot at winning if Rose and Deng just took 40 jumpers a game.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 5, 2010 1:47 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Kurt for ROY!
Can he beat Taj in the CSN poll?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Heh, I'm not saying that Kirk didn't have a bad night.
I guess I am more surprised that someone that shoots as badly as Jennings does is breathlessly described as a future star. His first five games now appear to be outliers.
f'real though, what happened to poor Brandon Jenning's shooting
I’m stealing this line, but if these trends continue he’s going to be at -15% in April.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
You must live in an alternate dimension, because here in reality Tyreke Evans won the award about 2 months ago.
What Kirk’s atrocious shooting has to do with a rookie who got a ton of hype to start the season is beyond me.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 5, 2010 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
I apologize if juxtaposing the varying amounts of praise or criticism two players shooting similar percentages have recevied was lost on you.
Kurt sucks! BG rules! There do you feel better now?
but Jennings isn't receiving that praise anymore
because his shooting % has dropped. Plus he is a rookie and kirk is a 7 year vet.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 7, 2010 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
At Least Brandon Jennings can pass and run an offense without dribbling for 20 seconds of the shot clock
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
So how does he do the other 24 seconds when the Bucks don't have the ball?
You realize half of the game is defense don’t you?
Very few fans realize that
Brad Miller is god.
He does OK actually
good fundamentals and he tries. Also gets a bunch of steals. Bigger guards can just back him down repeatedly though.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Is anyone saying Rose had a good game?
He missed too many jumpers, and couldn’t get to the foul line. That’s usually recipe for a bad D. Rose game.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 6, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
i dont see anyone saying he had an "abysmal" game
Practice beats talent when talent doesn't practice.
Kirk was awful and you're an idiot.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Kirk is not my favorite Bull, but he wasn't the reason they lost. How can you say he was awful and those who saw it differently are idiots?
Granted, his shooting was off (this isn’t exactly a shocker, is it?) but why are you dismissing the fact that he led the team in assists, blocks, steals and 3 pointers? Of course making 2 of 7 isn’t very impressive, but then the Bulls only made 3 all night. His gave maximum effort on defense and wound up with a minus 3 while Derrick was minus 8.
Our 3 key bench players, who made only one bucket each, Murray, Richard and Warrick were -11, -12 and -13 respectively and their starting front line scored 60 points, in addition to 30 rebounds, 6 steals and 5 blocks. Hinrich can’t be blamed for our bigs being dominated up front.
If you think Captain Kurt is bad, wait till you see his replacements if he has to miss some time with the tough schedule coming up. I know D Wade wouldn’t shed any tears if he doesn’t get to face Hinrich in their next meeting. In fact, he’d more likely be licking his chops in anticipation of getting a shot at our wounded Bulls.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 5, 2010 3:26 AM CST up reply actions
Kirk wasn't the reason,
but damn, we need him to knock down some these big, wide open shots in critical moments of the game.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 5, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
coming from you it means nothing
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
he's the starting two-guard, and Rose was getting him wide open looks
his shooting was abysmal. I did not factor in his glue rating.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
Abysmal is too harsh, and you know it.
He has abysmal nights – 0 for 9 coming off the thumb injury, for example. You’re giving yourself nowhere to go if 5 for 13 is abysmal. It’s not good, it’s certainly not great, but it’s far above abysmal. Anyone else does that and this board classifies it as an off shooting night, but at least he contributed in other areas.
His TS% and points contributed per possessions used were actually higher than Derrick’s last night. Combine that with Kirk having a much higher assist rate and lower TO rate – what would you call Derrick’s night?
Derrick Rose is beyond reproach
my biggest gripe with Kirk last night is that there were wide-open assisted looks he clanked. They needed him to hit those to have a chance.
If your argument is that he wasn’t especially bad last night since he’s just not that good in general…I get that.
Plus I hate his face.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
I could've been clearer and said Flip and Kirk's shooting was abysmal
and furthermore that Flip was abysmal, and Kirk was below-average. Average for him, though.
But I think you all are nitpicking. Flip isn’t good, and Kirk needs to shoot better especially if our team defense and rebounding is going to suffer over the next 3 weeks. They’re the 2-guard rotation, and if they shot better the Bulls likely win.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Call it nitpicking if you like
In my opinion, the analysis of Kirk’s play on any given night has gotten incredibly sloppy.
For one, it starts (for a large segment of people here) from the position that they flat out don’t want him on the team. Or, as you put it, you “hate his face.” Well, Kirk can’t control being on the team, and at this point the team can’t do a damn thing about it either. It’s a relevant question when we hit the off-season, and I’ve posted several times that I’d rather see him starting at PG elsewhere and the Bulls allocate his cap hold differently – however, that doesn’t mean that individual game analysis can’t be fair. There are people who post here that I don’t expect anything above “The guys I like played well, so if the team lost it was obviously the fault of the guys I don’t like.” Maybe I just expect a little more from you when you’re actually analyzing.
For two, for many people his performance has been reduced to “How did he shoot?” And on top of that, people suddenly have this completely bizarre standard of what a good night is. Apparently, Kirk sucks whenever he misses a basket that would have been an assist for Derrick or whenever he shoots below 50%, including on 3s. That’s not a reasonable threshold for anyone. In a game thread, sure, any open miss by anyone is going to draw a reaction – but that’s not the sum-total of the game. It’s a fair portion of the analysis, just not the whole thing.
I know it’s a losing battle, but if every flipping loss for the rest of the season is going to be placed at Kirk’s door – regardless of who’s available to play with the injury situation or how Kirk actually plays – then I’m going to defend him.
by wjb1492 on Mar 5, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
well last night he was sub-40% and sub-30% on 3s. So I don't get your hyperbole.
I can’t speak for the histrionics of SoulEater and the like.
If you’re saying it’s not Kirk’s fault the team loses on a particular night because one can’t reasonably expect him to play that well, then, again, I get that. He’s not very good. It’s also not his fault he’s not very good. But while that’s well-known, I think it is valid to point that out given how the Org. re-asserted (through actions and press conferences alike) how much they value him recently.
They need him to shoot better as they’ll be relying even more on perimeter offense (and offense in general) to try and steal a few wins the rest of this month.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
the Bulls need Hinrich
to score between 15pts and 18pts a night. End of story. This current Bulls team coming down the stretch needs Kirk to be a scorer. He needs to find his inner Jeff Honracek. If Kirk isn’t the 3rd most talented offensive player on the team, who is? where does the scoring come from?
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 5, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
I do see wjb's point though that if Kirk Hinrich were simply better it'd be more fair
to criticize his bad games. But wjb is right: he’s not good, and that’s not his fault. It’s more about the Org.‘s overvaluing of the guy, though I think that’s been pretty clear as to who I’m really after. Of course I’m not criticizing Kirk as if he’s forcing the Bulls to keep him on the team, that should go without saying.
I could spend more time grating over Flip Murray being similarly bad (without the complementary things Kirk does to boot), but everyone knows he’s not an efficient scorer either and he’s not going to be here next year at $17m over the next two seasons.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
I think there are a fair amount of people
here and in the media who believe that Hinrich is a better player than you (or I) give him credit for. They cite his good shooting years, the fact that he is asked to play out of position, and so on and so forth.
There are people here who believe Hinrich is a good shooter, a good playmaker, a good offensive player. And my thing is, I think they are wrong, but he’s paid like he is and the organization treats him like he can have that type of impact. So I see no problem in criticizing him for not performing to the standards that people say he plays at. If people are going to consistently overvalue Hinrich, than I think it is fair to criticize him at his projected value level.
Despite wjb’s insistence, this happens to every Bulls player. Rose was expected to a play at a certain standard to start the season, and even though he was still playing better than most Bulls, some people ripped him. Deng has been the most consistent Bull all season, but still gets called out for disappearing in the 4th or being selfish on the break. Fairly or unfairly, players are criticized by their projected value level. Not by their actual on court worth.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 5, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
I believe I defended Derrick as well back then
And I know I’ve defended Ben and Lu as well. At least give me credit for consistency in wanting the guys on the team to be evaluated “fairly” and not on some mythical standard based on who they aren’t. I’m not insisting that Kirk played “great” or anything last night, but I also don’t think he was The Problem.
Maybe if this were a multiple choice test and the only options were great or abysmal this would make sense – but there’s a huge range in the middle of those extremes.
Brad Miller is actually 3rd
oof.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
What happened to all the people complaining about Kirk not taking the ball to the rim?
I saw a lot more of that last night as when D-Rose was out of the game, Kirk had a couple nice drives that set up Brad Miller for some easy buckets. If you’re going to ask Kirk to contribute more than outside shooting (which is what a lot of people are demanding), you can’t analyze his performance only in terms of his outside shooting. His outside shooting was poor (but not absolutely horrible, like Murray’s), but other than that, he played very well.
Brad Miller is god.
again with this idea that it's a mindset with Kirk
he can’t get to the rim and score there, for his career, because he’s not good at it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
When Rose is in the game, Kirk's main job is to hover around the perimeter and knock down treys (which he did not do)
But when Rose comes out, his role changes and he attacks the basket (not well, but tries). If you don’t see that, I don’t know what to tell you.
Brad Miller is god.
the Bulls could use someone else to attack once in a while
I’m sure if Kirk was better at it he’d do it more, and more successfully. My point is that ‘hover’ type of play from him is more out of necessity than design.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
I decided I needed to give up the "why" in mind-reading parts of the arguments.
Blame it on Hinrich, blame it on Del Negro’s offensive system (which is still laughable to me that there is supposedly one), whatever. He should be driving more and then when he drives, get more out of it.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I don't know about that
http://www.nba.com/hotspots/
(the address didn’t change when I entered Hinrich’s name in, so you’ll have to do it yourself)
he’s not Derrick Rose-good around the basket, but he’s a hell of a lot more efficient near the rim than he is from beyond the arc.
at least now I understand why Vinny keeps sticking him on the baseline.
by darksmokepuncher on Mar 5, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
everyone's more efficient at the rim
it’s closer.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
thanks for clearing that up
I still don’t see why him getting to the rim more is a bad thing.
he’s more likely to score there and right now, scoring is his biggest downfall.
by darksmokepuncher on Mar 5, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
I guess I don't get the original argument then
polo says that ‘everyone complains’ that Hinrich doesn’t get to the rim enough, and he tried to yesterday. I think the ‘complaint’ (though it’s more just an accepted reality i’d say) is that he’s not a good penetrator and finisher, and never was. It has nothing to do with what he’s being asked to do in certain points of the game that changes that part of his game.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
*doesn't try to get to the rim enough
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
There are people who just say hinrich isn't good at penetrating
I understand that.
Then there are folks who are saying he’s not trying to get to the rim because he’s gotten complacent. That’s just not the case. And while he isn’t nowhere near as good at rose at getting to the rim, he is much better at dialshing it to open guys once he gets there, which is worth something
Brad Miller is god.
he's just superlatively bad as a 2-guard in terms of scoring close, drawing fouls, etc.
compared to other players at his position.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
well yeah, but did anyone really expect anythind different than that?
he’s a point guard playing out of position
by darksmokepuncher on Mar 5, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
no! poloplayer brought it up out of the blue
and again mentioned how it’s by design that Hinrich doesn’t attack, where I say it’s because he’s not good enough to do so anyway.
It’s sort of like how some analysts say that team rebounding is ‘effort’ (i.e. ‘gang rebounding’), instead of having good rebounders.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
I hope I’m right, but the jury is still out
I think Kirk doesn’t attack because he gotten used to being the 5th option and not being counted on to score.
poloplayer brought it up out of the blue and again mentioned how it’s by design the Hinrich doesn’t attack, where I say it’s because he’s not good enough to do so anyway.
Kirk needs to get to the free throw line more
Kirk can get to the basket, ANYONE with decent handles can get to the basket. The thing is that Kirk shies away from contact on offense, even though he seeks it out on defense. That is a mindset. If Kirk is dropping his outside shots, I’m fine with him just doing that. The Bulls need Kirk to score decently on a regular basis, and if his jumpshots aren’t falling he needs to drive to contact and get to the line. If he makes the shot at the rim, even better
Kirk has a decent handle,
but he lacks the quickness and explosion to get past players, and he lacks the craftiness of Andre Miller to score when he gets to the rim.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 5, 2010 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
yeah but look at who else is on this team
the only person quicker and more ‘explosive’ than him is Derrick (especially now that tyrus is gone)
I wish we had the luxury of just leaving Kirk beyond the arc, but on this team he’s got to do more than that.
by darksmokepuncher on Mar 5, 2010 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
It seems to me Kirk gets into the lane OK
He just doesn’t do anything to threaten the defense once he’s there. He’ll get into the lane and then dribble back out, or if the defense challenges him he’ll just pass it out to reset the offense. He wasn’t always this timid. Run somebodies ass over every once in a while and draw the blocking foul, draw the defense and get an easy assist, etc..
I’m not looking for Kirk to try to break his man down with the dribble 10 times a game like Derrick can do. There’s no way he can do that. This is about him getting a few easy points a game from the line or if the defense falls asleep maybe a layup or two. This is the difference between averaging 10-12ppg and 14-16ppg.
You should have expected nothing more than mediocrity Yfbb as soon as the suits mentioned "how much they value him recently".
When they have to keep repeating what isn’t obvious to many fans, than you can safely assume it’s another case of smoke and mirrors to cover for the fact they couldn’t dump him and his over-inflated salary on some other team whose management may be evern worse than ours. But I do want to reiterate, as our roster is currently constitued, he’s still by far, our 2nd best guard.
Sad to say.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 5, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
yup, they ARE liars too
but honestly it’s been an obvious move since they won the draft lottery to trade the incumbent, so while it could be ‘smoke and mirrors’ it’s so much smoke it could be fire.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
So maybe the next time we see Gar pass by, the fans should start chanting
Liar, Liar your pants are on fire.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 5, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
Only if they are throwing matches.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
derrick barely shot above 40%
why doesnt any blame go on him??
Practice beats talent when talent doesn't practice.
Because people are stupid
Kirk had a higher TS% than rose (which is because rose couldn’t get a call IMO), but some people are just irrational in their hatred for Kirk.
Brad Miller is god.
"not good...not great" is an intentional euphamism
“abysmal” is just hyperbole.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
FTW!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
According to Hollinger
Bulls have a .3% chance of winning the lottery
They also have a .1% chance of winning a championship.
Brad Miller is god.
How good would Randolph look in a Bulls uniform next season?
I mean he is a 20/10 waiting to happen…and Memphis is losing money. Perhaps he could be the Bulls 2010 target in a sign and trade if they do not get Lebron, Bosh or Wade…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Remember when they could have had him from Portland for a song?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Painful memory,
Also, remember when we didnt want to trade for Kobe because Pax didnt want to give up Deng. Ugh.
2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"
No, I don't remember that.
I remember the rumors were that Kobe didn’t want to come here if Deng was included in the trade because he wanted to go to a team that had good players.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Mar 5, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Shitty D though, no?
I’m not sure what Randolph’s numbers are currently, but if he’s +4 on offense and -3 on defense he’s not accomplishing much. Memphis has an ugly D-Rating this year.
for a one-season rental it's not bad
I could see it as a backup plan as they’ll need someone to provide shots next season especially if they strike out in free agency.
But yeah, Randolph is very anti-Bull. Not deferential nor grindy, and doesn’t have a ‘defense-first’ mindset.
I really don’t see the Bulls getting to that point in the offseason though. If they don’t get a big free agent they will just pay another one like he IS a big free agent, just to prove their point about the worth of this cap-purge of the last year.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
Can'
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 5, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
Dammit.
Can’t be too bad. If his backup is Taj and Noah is starting next to him, defensively it’s not going to be atrocious.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 5, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
I thought Sam dropped another
steamy pile this morning. This is why I get bothered when he lauds the chemistry or players getting along when they do well, he then paints himself into a corner and has to pick out those things when they lose. At least it’s consistent.
It’s way more than that. They aren’t playing so much poorly as indifferently, though more in stretches than the entire game. They’ll have great runs, but then settle for jumpers and a lack of body or ball movement.
It also too often seems a funereal atmosphere among the players, little emotion except for several whom seem comfortable with one foot out the door.
Where the hell is he seeing this? They can’t score because they have a poorly planned and executed offense, like they’ve had all season. Worse now without the (ugly yet effective) game of Noah.
I thought VDN actually did a good job in the press conference explaining how them losing a lead isn’t some kind of focus or effort problem, it’s because they have to rely on jump shots and they’re not particularly good at them.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 10:50 AM CST reply actions
here is the thing
when you are constantly using things like “glue” and “intangibles” to form your basketball analysis, you have to make up negative opposites such as “little emotion” and “funeral atmosphere” to describe when they lose. You are right, Sam has painted himself into a corner.
This kind of simplistic rhetoric leads to heaping unfounded praise on the “good guys” and unfounded criticism on the “bad guys”. If Hinrich, for example, is a positive force no matter how he plays, than there must be some corresponding negative force to explain the losing. Someone has to be blamed for the lack of team chemistry and indifference. TT and Salmons are gone. The search for a new scapegoat begins.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 5, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
exactly
I brought this up at the recent king of chemistry too, while it’s nice to have you can’t give too much credit for wins otherwise you have to give it sufficient blame in the losses.
If your reasoning is correct, I’d think the new Sam scapegoat could be Flip Murray being in a ‘contract push’ or something. Maybe not Warrick since he could potentially return. That, or blame VDN.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
no, no Flip Murray was the savior in Charlotte and his absence is why they have many guys playing for contracts
or something
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Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I don't buy the chemistry aspect
But Flip Murray did play like an unmotivated slug with his head up his ass last night. He turned over an inbound pass off of a timeout in crunch time. That’s inexcusable.
Brad Miller is god.
To be fair to Vinny,
he has been given a crappy team in many ways, so throwing Gar PaxDorf under the bus is only fair.
I thought VDN actually did a good job in the press conference explaining how them losing a lead isn’t some kind of focus or effort problem
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by Granny Waiters on Mar 5, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
It's as simple as this:
You do not want to play Zach Randolph in a contract year. Any other year hes got one foot on the court and one out the door on the way to the strip club.
Life is hilarious.
uh, next year is his contract year
but nice try.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
wtf
Then what is he doing getting into the all-star debate? The Zach Randolph I know does not care about winning games, getting into the play-offs or helping a struggling team re-build. The Zach Randolph I know claims a family emergency to watch his team lose while he makes it rain at the strip club. The Zach Randolph I know thinks a “private show” means he’s allowed to raw-dog it however he damn pleases. The Zach Randolph I know is only concerned with one thing: Zach Randolph. What did they do to him in Memphis? If actually starts trying to play team basketball and win games the whole NBA is in a lot of trouble.
Life is hilarious.
Maybe what's happening is that you don't actually know Zach Randolph anywhere near enough
to make judgments about his character.
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by snley on Mar 5, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
He's been playing team basketball the entire season.
And Randolph is more than talented to beat down our sorry frontcourt even if he was still getting in fights with Rueben Patterson.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 5, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
imaginary?
the Bulls aren’t picking top-5.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
The Bulls only pick top-5 if the Bucks AND Bulls pick top-5
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
OK, our draft pick is top-10 protected, please ignore this :P
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Well
http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/playoffodds
So we have a .3% chance at winning the lottery. We only had a 1% chance of getting Rose.
Brad Miller is god.
Also, with Utah owning NY's pick, they have a 7.6% chance at the no.1 spot
How bout a Williams/Turner backcourt?
Brad Miller is god.
Boseph was on fire last night
I didn’t get to see the whole game, but were Derrick’s drives and lack of calls on attempts to attack Randolph?
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
Noc? :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't see the game last night
but can anybody tell me what was going on in the highlights with a bunch of kids doing some kind of coordinated cheer or something? They showed it on NBA TV and just kind of glossed over it but it looked like a college crowd.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
I couldn't find anything on it either
I FF’d over it when watching, but saw the highlights mentioning a ‘flash mob’, though with the TV exposure made it seem like the production crew knew what was going on.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
once I find out more about these things
the first BaB flash mob will be to egg Kurt’s house. Fittingly under 40% will hit the house, but it will still be deemed an acceptable performance.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
As long as the egg throwing is done with grit and thrust!
it will still be deemed an acceptable performance.
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by Granny Waiters on Mar 5, 2010 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
It was actually pretty cool.
It is talked about in the game threads last night.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
Thanks
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

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