Suns 111, Bulls 105
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2010 10:55 AM CDT
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PrintBlame Comcast for my lack of a recap, they've once again managed to trump their already cruddy service*. So I was not able to see this game, and it sounded like a fun competitive one. That's encouraging, since their last competitive opponent embarrassed them. And also encouraging to see Noah's line.
Kelly Dwyer puts this on Del Negro for continuing to rely on Pargo to do anything besides confuse Neil Funk when both he and Rose are on the court. On the one hand, if your choices are Pargo or Acie Law, you've already lost. On the other, there's something to be said for realizing Pargo can't give you anything and at least trying to give your team the best shot.
But I didn't see it (I did manage to waste some time poorly re-hashing Ben Gordon arguments), so I'll leave the game discussion to y'all.
*this has no bearing on the wonderful people of Comcast Sports Net, who this site has a burgeoning partnership with. I mean the actual cable arm that has a monopoly in my service area, and who I've chosen over Satellite if only because their contracted technicians looked only moderately likely to murder me, as opposed to very likely.
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wow, really?
Things got testy at the end, eh?
Then Chris Richard got whistled for a flagrant foul on Jarron Collins with 1.2 seconds left, and Noah drew a technical foul arguing the call as the teams walked off the court.
“I asked (the official) why he got a flagrant, he wouldn’t tell me and he said I wasn’t the captain so I couldn’t ask,” Noah said. “I didn’t curse.”
Every captain was hurt or released, heh.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2010 11:01 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
that was actually the end of the first half
it really wasnt a flagrant… just a hard foul by Richard on a guy who missed his free throws a minutes before. but Collins kinda landed on the ground hard, which most centers would.
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
The Collins twins,
2 of the most usless players to ever play the game of basketball, they make Kwame Brown look like a respectable NBA player
by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 31, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
"they make Kwame Brown look like a respectable NBA player"
watch your mouth
by chitownsports25 on Mar 31, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm not making Jason collins out to be Wilt Chamberlain...
But he’s an EXCELLENT team defender. Dude always knew where to be, always communicated, etc. He’s a smart player. Can he score? nope. Is he a flashy shot blocker? no. But i have a lot of respect for what he does because it’s easily overlooked.
Nowadays he’s useless since he’s gotten even fatter and doesn’t have the quick feet to help and recover like he used to.
by SamsHops on Mar 31, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec for not knowing what your talking about
Various NBA execs and personalities will tell you the same thing. He wasn’t getting paid for just being big, he got paid for a reason. New Jersey did use him a lot because of a void at that position, but their defense really tanked once they let him go. Ask Lawrence Frank, Jim Spanarkel, Rod Thorn, etc
Flip
Had the most incredible end of the half shot that was just waved off (correctly so) but restrospectively that hurt…
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
It's a travesty that Noah's not a captain
Thrusting out of the playoff race, one injury at a time.
by Illini15 on Mar 31, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thats not as good as
SHUTTING DOWN THE CARTER!
by T.Moore on Mar 31, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its hard to
top SHUTTING DOWN THE CARTER
by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 31, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Close but no cigar
Hope for the best and prepare for the worst
It never rains but it pours
The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak
Matt...this is what you missed about Pargo
If the guy would simply spot up on the perimeter for open shots and/or make the extra pass when the ball came his way, I wouldn’t blame him at all for his sucktitude on offense. At that point, it would be Vinny’s fault for leaving him in the game if he couldn’t knock down open shots.
Pargo’s problem is his knack for compounding his sucktitude by dribbling for 15 secounds (going nowhere mind you) and then hoisting a long, often contested 2pt jump shot. Worst still, he sometimes will bring the ball up the court and do this crap.
If his defense was terrible (which it is) and he did nothing but spot up for open jumpers, I wouldn’t hate the guy hit or miss. In fact, he had a spurt in the second quarter where he did just that… spot up in the corner and take a few threes.
The problem is if he makes a couple, he channels his inner Will Smith (from the Fresh Prince episodes where he’d take all of his team’s shots) and becomes determined to shoot our team out of any hope of winning.
They guy is terrible, not because he shoots poorly from the perimeter (which he does), but because he compounds this by using up the shot clock so no one else can at least try to make up for it.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
by PeteRoc on Mar 31, 2010 11:17 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
He channels his inner Will Smith.
More like hes channeling Kobe taking all the shots away from his all star team (except Pargo SUCKS)
he was never a great 3-point shooter
that’s his game. He stinks.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
I know he is not really that good a shooter, but if he just stood in the corner and didn’t move and took only wide open threes off of the defense collapsing, I’d be happy enough…especially if VDN realized he’s not good for more than a handful of minutes a game.
He misses wide open threes
Yesterday he missed one and had 1 or 2 second to shoot. He shouldn’t be playing, period. Only a blind guy can’t see that Pargo sucks so much. Cut him already. Give more minutes to JJ, Warrick and Flip and cut him
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
wait wait wait
hes an undersized player, who shoots without remorse, he lives by the jumper dies by the jumper, he dribbles out the shotclock to make some crappy play, and is for ill reasons beloved by the coaching staff, and he makes way too much money!!!???
So i thought pargo was ben gordon, none of his strenghts and all of his weaknesses…i was wrong….
Pargo is not only all of ben gordons weaknesses, but he is also all of kirk hinrichs weaknesses, all rolled into one ugly poker playing ball of crap, and yes he also has none of those two players strenghts….why is hinrich hated so much, because he is the worst qualities of the bulls two most polarizing guards ever, hinrich haters hate pargo for doing all the things wrong that hinrich does, gordon haters hate pargo for doing all the things wrong that gordon does….
my god that is just frightning, wheres the one guy who considered the nba manufactured lebron and rose to be the future of the nba? He needs to crack down this pargo consipiracy
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
he dies by the jumper
no living… the mans dead in my eye
by PTBALLER1523 on Mar 31, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought Vinny did a poor job using Noah once again.
He left Rose on the bench way too long. The Bulls had this one which makes it more frustrating to me. Derrick Rose needs to learn that when you’re fighting to get into the playoffs you can’t be facilitating people like Pargo and Warrick. He needed to attack the whole game not just the last two minutes.
VDN once again burns all his timeouts. They guy seems clueless. He’ll just let it bleed and bleed. There is just no sense of urgency with him.
Luol Deng 24 going on 54.
Noah's hurt
Last time Vinny overplayed him he missed what 3 weeks. it sucks though…
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
Why does he still come off the bench?
Are the first 8 minutes of a game that much more stressful?
Luol Deng 24 going on 54.
Bad team loses to good team. There's no real storyline.
Pargo is a shitfaced loser who doesn’t deserve another penny for playing basketball. Rose is going to need the ball in his hands on literally every possession from here on out if they’re going to make the playoffs.
barring a catastrophic collapse by charlotte or toronto
were not making the playoffs. and i second the pargo hate.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
Jannero Pargo Fun Fact!
In the last 20 years, among players with a >22 USG% and 300 FGA, here are the five players with the lowest eFG%:
1. Jerry Reynolds ’92 – 25.0 USG%, 38.3 eFG%
2. Marcus Fizer ’04 – 27.5 USG%, 38.6 eFG% (damn!)
3. Larry Hughes ’01 – 24.4 USG%, 39.1 eFG%
4. Flip Murray ’05 – 23.8 USG%, 39.4 eFG%
5. Jannero Pargo ’10 – 25.2 USG%, 39.7 eFG%
How Jerry Reynolds never donned a Bulls uniform, I may never know. Pargo ranks 2nd worst in TS% on that list behind Sharone Wright ’97.
by YaoPau on Mar 31, 2010 11:38 AM CDT reply actions 9 recs
This is horrifying.
I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite
by Super-Structure on Mar 31, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
MPG had a beauty last night re: Pargo. Examine my sig.
there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.
-MPG
Someone needs to call Gar, Jerry Reynolds in a Bulls uniform next year!
Bulls basketball: “Love our inefficiency live!”
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
.347
Flip Murray is 9-12 and Pargo is still jacking up prayers.
When Flip Murray is shooting 9-12 you give him the ball as much as possible.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Mar 31, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
"When Flip Murray is shooting 9-12 you give him the ball as much as possible."
This statement sent me into a deep depression…no words to describe it…ugh
by escolio on Mar 31, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know
I’m sorry. But when Pargo is out there I’d really rather the ball touch Richard’s hands more often than I want it touching Pargo’s.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Mar 31, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Ouch!!!, and
thats if Richard even catches the pass.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 31, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
the painful part
is that on a lot of pargo’s possessions, it was rose giving the ball up to pargo.
"The people we lost, I'm sad we lost them because they helped us. But the organization saw something in these players. They're going to help us. They don't have any attitude problems. They just want to ball." - Derrick Rose
Given the ads all over this site, why didn't you try streaming the game online?
Admit it YFBB, you were too busy watching the Bucks.
illegally? how dare you.
it wasn’t on comcast so there was no online stream, right? And I’m blacked out from league pass.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
*comcast sports net
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Comcast sports net allows you to stream bulls game from their website now.
It’s legal and you just need to sign up for an account.
by chitownsports25 on Mar 31, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
right but I thought that was only for the games they broadcasted.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure,
I am outside their coverage area. It worked at home, but I don’t remember if that was CSN game or not.
by chitownsports25 on Mar 31, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah my 'U' channel was fucked
comcast offered to send out a tech, but like I said I don’t want to get murdered.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
The 'U' s lineup it's awesome!
Judge Mathis, Peoples court, who still watches Frasier?Who did watch Frasier?
Luol Deng 24 going on 54.
Frasier was delightful
delightful!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Heard on the radio that Hinrich got hurt
any news on that?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Sprained ankle
day to day.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Mar 31, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
What are we going to do
w/o the Captain, the only thing the Captain is good for is making sure Pargo isn’t getting 20+ minutes of burn.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 31, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I want James Johnson to play
but he fouls like Scott Skiles pays child support.
Where’s Luol and his fractured right tibia, er “calf sprain”?
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Mar 31, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Luol Deng sighting
“not day to day”
“not out a week”
“is running on a treadmill”
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/2132453,CST-SPT-bullnt31.article
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Mar 31, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Laugh all you want
But with 46 minutes of Kirk instead of 16 of Kirk plus 30 of pargo, we win yesterday
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Mar 31, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yup
though that has a lot to do with Pargo
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Pargo vs Law
I must be missing something, because while Pargo is hit-and-miss (mostly miss, and by a wide margin), every time I see Law play he looks good. Not necessarily filling up the stat sheet, but he handles the ball well, makes good decisions and plays good defense. Why is he not playing more?
Oh yeah
and yes, you can almost squarely put that loss on VDN. He called a timeout or two when the Bulls had the momentum – once when they were climbing back from a 12-point deficit. Why stop that? And he also leaves guys in after they’ve made mistakes and yank the players who are playing well. I understand you come in to the game with plans for minutes and the rotation, but at some point you let the flow of the game and the individual players’ performances supercede that.
He doesn't jack up
the three or take horrible shots like Pargo, but Law should be taking Pargo’s minutes, at least Law tries to attack the paint.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 31, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
He's not playing because of Vinny
Law is better than Pargo. It’s not like we need Pargo’s shooting when Rose and Murray are on the floor. All we really need is a distributor that can pull off better defense than Pargo. That’s Law. Somebody just has to tell Vinny.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Mar 31, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Gulp
Pargo is a better defender than Law though.
I hate Pargo, and agree with the point, but again the problem is a personnel issue and not a coaching issue….and that goes to Gar….
Vinny’s hands are tied. JJ had a beyond terrible game.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
Personnel?
Law is on the roster. Play him. Unless Gar is saying “play Pargo” which doesn’t make any sense because there isn’t any value in playing Pargo.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Mar 31, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Law
Guarding the SF spot?
Flip guarding the SF spot?
none of them can guard it.
I hate Pargo as much as anybody, but he’s at least somewhat crafty on the D end….too bad if he ain’t hitting his shots he’s beyond terrible…
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
Arguing who defends better between Pargo and Law?
That’s already a lost battle, you go with the better player, or at least one that doesn’t feel entitled to take a ton of shots just because he’s on the floor.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Pargo a better defender
I dunno about that. I’ll ask Pargo what he thinks when he’s done getting through a screen set last night.
He certainly appears to be trying harder on that end, but I don’t think he’s a better defender, results-wise.
I'd blame this on injuries
And the fact that we’re reliant on Pargo is much more a Gar Forman issue than Vinny.
James Johnson also had a November 2009 throwback game and was terrible, getting a deserved short leash after just playing awful to start the game, and again in the 3rd or maybe fourth.
I hate seeing so much Pargo, and he missed and forced shots like always, but for Pargo had an ok Pargo game, but again he’s Pargo and that’s Pargo and that’s why Pargo never should be an every game player….
I think if we had Luol back we’d have had a better chance….it was close though.
Derrick had a nice stat game and got some assist totals, but I don’t know if he was as aggressive as he should ahve been early and deferred a bit too much.
We can’t keep counting on Flip Murray to look like a star SG….he’s the reason this game was close.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
I disagree on the deferring too much,
But agree on the lack of aggressiveness. Everything about him should have more aggressive earlier. This is one of those games where I could swear Rose would have had no problem getting 35 and 15 instead of 23 and 10. He could have had more points and assists! I have no problem with him deferring, but only if he is attacking the rim at will as well.
Aggressiveness and deferring kind of go hand in hand
Normally Rose attacks every time there’s a lull, but it seemed he was fine to dribble a bit and pass more than he should, especially when he had Pargo as his main passing counterpart….
I mean it’s hard to complain, as Rose was still pretty good and missed a few open jumpers he’s been making, but he’s been far more aggressive of late than he was last night until it mattered most, and I wish he would use a bit more of that earlier in the games.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
Rose had Grant Hill guarding him.
Ankles should have been broken.
It's true that we don't know what we've got until we lose it, but it's also true that we don't know what we've been missing until it arrives.
When I was at the game, I was telling all my friends that same thing. Hill is in decent shape but he is still 37. Snap them ankles in two!
also JJ wasn’t horrible, he had some dumb fouls but he was playing well in the 1st quarter then it went kinda downhill. Was nice to see him exploit the mismatch when Nash was checking him
No more Pargo
He’s a change of pace back up player, not somebody who should be chucking all game. And the defense on nash at the end of the game was atrocious
"Pargo is just plain stupid"
That’s why he plays. The point guard is supposed to be an extension of the coach on the floor.
by El Toro de Goro on Mar 31, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Did we not trade Aaron Gray
for Devin Brown so we don’t have to play Pargo? Wasn’t Devin Brown at least ok on defense and maybe should be guarding Steve Nash before Pargo?
by The90sBullsRevival on Mar 31, 2010 2:14 PM CDT reply actions
on a guy like Nash
probably not. Brown is a better defender against SGs, though. He shot his way out of a job, and also, like Pargo, was never that good in the first place
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Cuz u cant yfbb
ill say it for you, COMCAST SUCKS!!!!!
Customer service is sucky (waiting and waiting), i have a tv that has a built in digital reciever, it was designed for the digital change, and comcast decides it cant have any of that, no…people MUST use their awesome cable boxes…so they scramble the single of the digital feed (FOR NO REASON)….for the last couple months i had to keep reprogramming my tv (about every 3 weeks) and then relearn all the channels, and now finally comcast rescrambled the signal (for good?) that the only channels i recieve are basic ones, oh and cnn and the preview channel (so that i can see all the stuff im missing) comcast sucks!!!
Whats more is that i keep reading that i have to rent out their damn converter boxes? Seriously? why? Im already paying for cable, and obviously if they didnt continue to scramble the signal i would be getting my television just fine, those money hungry scoundrals…well jokes on you comcast…im switching to UVERSE!!!!
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I did say Comcast sucks
I just can’t say Comcast Sports Net sucks. Well I could, but it’s not nice. Though combining the cable company with Reinsdorf and that’s a majority of the partners in that network.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
The Bulls were
better on Sports Channel
by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 31, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Question
ok if we miss the playoffs we are in the lottery right .. so we have a chance for a top ten pick.. but if we get 11th pick we have to swap it?
"Triple B's Bulls Bears... Blackhawks (i guess)"
not exactly
in the lottery, a team can only “win” a top 3 pick, so if the bulls don’t do that, they’re screwed.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Screwed? 18th pick has a lower cap hold!
Gotta start thinking like a Reinsdorf.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
but our pick is top ten protected
so we have a chance to get a top 5 pick if we miss the playoffs
"Triple B's Bulls Bears... Blackhawks (i guess)"
That's not what he's saying
The way the lottery works is that everybody not in the playoffs gets a certain chance at a top 3 pick. Then everybody wihout a top 3 pick place slots into place. So we’ll either draft top 3 (like a 2% chance of that) or we’ll draft 18th. There’s no in between.
Brad Miller is god.
Pargo vs. Warrick
I’m just going to point out again that against the Pistons, Warrick got some time at the 3 and did very well. True to form, Vinny follows it up by absolutely refusing to try what was 1) successful and 2) common fucking sense.
Would it work, I dunno. But I damn sure know that it can’t be any worse than this. It’s like whatever progress Vinny made as a coach over the last two years has been totally thrown out in the face of these injuries. If there was ever a time to actually demonstrate some coaching that made this mess more than the sum of its parts, it’d be now. Instead, they’re more unprepared and stupid looking than ever.
by Sports2 on Mar 31, 2010 8:05 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
warrick is a better option
than anything not named james johnson….in terms of our backup sfs….vinny is a joke, give him a roster with talent (begining of the year) and he refuses to play the most talented pieces (insert tyrus thomas) trade away what he wasnt using and have a roster that is meant to be terribly tight, and he tries to experiment with the wierdest lineups and rotations, injure ur best players, and he goes to the end of the bench puttings players in worst case, do or die scenerios.
Its funny cuz the one constant piece of crap in these lineups is playtime for pargo, despite all the damn guards we have on this roster, its like vinny knows that hes never gonna get a chance to play in the nba ever again and is making his last year memorable….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
VDN has never shown to be able to handle adversity well
he has a team of self-motivated ‘good guys’, and when completely healthy it works.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pargo vs. anyone
There is no reason for Pargo to not be the last guy off the bench. Even if Acie Law, Johnson, Warrick, and Alexander are terrible at basketball, it still makes more sense to play those guys. Those guys at least are young and athletic, and could possibly improve at basketball. Pargo has no future. He is not an NBA player.
Vinny’s refusal to play guys out of position may be his biggest weakness (among many) as a coach. Go big, put Warrick at the three, sure he might be bad at it, but he won’t be as bad as Pargo is at anything basketball related. Throw Acie Law into the fire, see what you got. It’s just god damn ridiculous we have to see Jannero Pargo on the court.
I hate to see a guy get fired from his job, but whenever I see Pargo on the court, it makes me glad this will be VDN’s last year here. All these injuries have shown is that the coaching has not improved. He can’t do his job, when he has 5 healthy guys who happen to all play a different position on the court and happen to be good at basketball, yes he’s looked better as a coach. This last few weeks has only gone to prove that VDN has learned nothing in his time here. The coaching did not improve, Rose, Noah and Taj did. At least it will make the decision easy when it comes to keeping him or not.
by Grinder in Training on Apr 1, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions
VDN
plays three guard lineups all the time. He plays guys out of position, just not well.
www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com
by Raf on Apr 1, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Vinny is Gar's scapegoat
Seriously if nothing happens or it’s David Lee this summer, then Gar and Paxson better be out the door.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
I gotta disagree with you here
Our goal first and foremost is to make the playoffs. Whether a player is young or not or is capable of improving is irrelevent, especially because all those young guys you mentioned (except Johnson) won’t be back next year since they’re expirings. I agree with you as far as playing warrick at the 3 but as bad as pargo is, Alexander is worse. Hell I’m not even sure law is more effective. Yeah his numbers with the bulls might look good (small sample size) but defenses to not respect his ability to shoot, making it harder for everyone else on the floor, a point that is especially important since that clashes with rose’s game in a big way. With pargo, he at least has a reputation as a good shooter, so defenders play him accordingly. What reall needs to happen is for VDN to crack down on pargo and force him to limit his shot selection.
Brad Miller is god.
No one respects Pargo's shot at this point in his career.
His game clashes with everyone’s. Pargo is in his 30’s, you sound like he’s 22. Has to crackdown on him, no one is cracking down on Jannero Pargo at this point. He is who he is. You put him in the game and he’s going to start shooting. It’s what he does.
by Grinder in Training on Apr 1, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Again age is irrelevent
Pargo isn’t a great shooter (or even a good one) but he’s better than law. I jus don’t think law and rose are vey compatible on the court because they have the same weaknesses. And since we’re playing rose about 48 mpg, there’s not really a place for law out there.
As for cracking down on pargo, I’d have to believe that if vinny said something like “shoot less or I’ll bench you” pargo would shoot less. Then again it might be too late for that. But he should’ve been doing that all season.
Brad Miller is god.
Law should be backing up Rose
Flip should back up Hinrich and Pargo shouldn’t play at all except for garbage time. Just because Law might not fit well with Rose (which we’ll never know since Vinny never plays them together) doesn’t mean Pargo should be on the court ahead of him (or at all). He should be using Warrick at the 3 instead Flip anyway (when JJ can’t go).
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Hinrich should be backing up Rose
Neither one of Pargo or Law should play. But if Vinny’s gonna go with 3-guard lineups (and he will) we shouldn’t be playing our weakest jump-shooting guard in tandem with Rose. As painful as it sounds, Rose + Pargo >> Rose + Law. This is the minute breakdown I would recommend:
PG 40 Rose/ 8 Hinrich
SG 30 Hinrich/ 18 Murray
SF 28 JJ/ 12 Warrick/ 8 Murray
PF 32 Taj/11 Warrick/ 5 Miller
C 28 Noah/20 Miller
This is assuming Noah can’t play more than 28 minutes due to injury and JJ can’t play more than 28 minutes due to foul trouble. Both are pretty fair assumptions. The problem is if guys get into foul trouble. We’re getting about as many minutes as we can stretch out of those 8. We can occasionally push Rose, Hinrich, and Taj a little bit more, but not if we have a back-to-back. Miller can’t really handle more than 25 minutes, and I don’t trust Warrick or Murray to give us more than about 25 minutes. We might have to give Pargo 8-10 minutes (especially during those back-to-backs), and TBH, I wouldn’t care that much. As long as he’s not getting more than that, we can survive.
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And this is also matchup dependent
There are situations where the 3-guard lineup is preferable to Warrick at the 3 (like when the other team goes zone).
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I'm not saying Law should play as much as that
he should play before Pargo. I would prefer neither as well but given that Hinrich is the SG it may not always be feasible within the flow of the game to have him in as Rose’s backup. Those 8-10 minutes you say should go to Pargo, should go to Law. I will not conclude that Law can’t play with Rose until he actually does. Again, the point is, Pargo shouldn’t play at all!
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
And people do still respect pargo's shot ho don't know anybody
If you listened to the TNT crew during bulls-heat, you would’ve heard a pretty decent share of pargo love out of Kenny smith. For some reason, a lot of people still think he’s actually good.
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