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Bulls sweep the weekend, stand 1/2 game behind Toronto

While it was some bad basketball to have to watch, the Bulls not only took out the terrible Nets and Pistons (what was with that group? Poor BG, they got their collective stink on him) but did so comfortably. The ease was a good sign, especially given just how epic their defeat was against Miami, and that while against bad teams it was still a potentially pit-falling quick turnaround for Sunday's 5pm game.

The best sign of all being the improved health. James Johnson has been suffering foot trouble and he sat out Saturday night (starting...a 6'1" guard from Arkansas...Jannero Pargo! ::click::) but returned Sunday and played nearly 25 (pretty good, actually) minutes. And Joakim Noah's gradual return to full-time duty continues unabated, as he was used in multiple stints in tonight's first half and finished with 17 minutes of total burn. Plus, his lift looks ok.

Meanwhile, the Raptors suffered two big losses over the weekend: a buzzer-beater to Carmelo Anthony and the Nuggets, followed by a fourth quarter collapse against Miami that happened simultaneously with the Bulls victory Sunday pulling them within a half game. A loss tomorrow in Charlotte and the Raps will be tied with the Bulls for that 8th playoff spot (though the Raps own the tiebreaker regardless of their final in-season meeting).

The important (as important as a water-treading season can be, but still) thing is that rooting for the Bulls to overtake the Raptors and hoping for Chris Bosh to flee to Miami as a result is still in play.

The Bulls did their part over the weekend in taking care of two awful quitting teams, but it's not much to celebrate yet: it would've been bigger news if the Bulls didn't win both. Seeing them be in control takes some sting off of that TNT debacle last week, but it's still worrisome that the time they played a team with something to play for they not only lost but got humiliated. But at least Noah's healthier now, as the 5 upcoming opponents only include 1 currently out of the playoffs.

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The less I watch the better my life is.

I’ll be back for the playoffs and Vinny’s firing. Then the signing of LeBron James. Cheese!

Luol Deng 24 going on 54.

by SoulEater7 on Mar 28, 2010 11:39 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

We'll definitely miss you.

Don’t forget to wear a sweater.

Will everyone stop hating on Deng, please?

by Chalkwhite on Mar 28, 2010 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah me too.

18 million dollars should never be put on someone! So much pressure.

Luol Deng 24 going on 54.

by SoulEater7 on Mar 28, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Bulls just need to keep winning the games they are supposed to. They got some home games coming up and Phoenix is hot right now so I’m not expecting the Bulls to take that game but you never know. Toronto is falling at the right moment. But say we get the 8th spot…we gotta play Lebron!!! Cleveland is going to get its revenge on us for all those years MJ torched them…LOL

by Tucson_AZ_Bulls_Fan on Mar 28, 2010 11:47 PM CDT reply actions  

So, they lose the rest of their games?

The Bulls just need to keep winning the games they are supposed to.

"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"

by chapuforyou on Mar 29, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I am of the school that says we have a chance to make the playoffs, and that it would be worthwhile

However, it is troubling that we play only two non-playoff teams the rest of the way (I’m counting Toronto as a playoff team for these purposes, although God knows where they’ll be in two weeks). The Nets and the Wizards are eminently beatable, and the Suns, Celts and Cavs look pretty insurmountable (unless, of course, the Cavs and Celts are already locked in by the time we play, and are resting). But the rest are against the Bobcats, Bucks and Raptors (we play the Bobcats twice), and each of those games are hard to predict. If we can get Noah and Deng all the way back, I’d say we’ve got a good chance; if we can’t, or if the team that played Miami on Thursday shows up at all for the rest of the season, we’re pretty screwed.

Will everyone stop hating on Deng, please?

by Chalkwhite on Mar 28, 2010 11:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Is Bosh really the player the Bulls want anyways?

Just bringing up a question to stir BaB. He hasn’t won anything in a career has that spanned 6 and 1/2 years.

What if the Bulls tried to bring in two semi-starts, rather than one of the big stars? For example, I was thinking about possibly teaming up Manu and Boozer to a team that already has Rose, Hinrich ( I know, it’s more name-recognition than anything else), Deng, and Noah. Plus, a developing Taj and James Johnson. That is a good eight man rotation (not including the first rounder this summer). This team lacks a lot of depth this year, so bringing in 2 guys vs. 1 guy would benefit.

I know this team would be older and I honestly do not know if this would work under the cap. But this team would be very competitive and it might be a better team than just getting Bosh or Amare. I am not sure if this is the best idea, but I am bringing an idea up to see BaB’s reaction.

Rose/Hinrich
Manu/Hinrich/Pick
Deng/Johnson
Boozer/Taj
Noah/Acik

by LoveForTheGame on Mar 28, 2010 11:58 PM CDT reply actions  

I actually do not want Ginobili

because I found out he will be 33 in July. Not worth it. But the whole point is whether the 2 semi-stars is better than getting 1 Big star.

by LoveForTheGame on Mar 29, 2010 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

definitely don't want ginobili

and getting boozer could be a lot more expensive that youre assuming.

dont necessarily think it would be all that wise to get boozer and then another star this summer….from a financial standpoint

by swede2287 on Mar 29, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I find it hard to envision a scenario in which Boozer gets significantly less than the max.

A better question would be if we miss on Bosh, would it be better to get Amare/Boozer or Lee + someone else. I say we the former. We can always add more players in the future with our exceptions.

Speaking of future moves though, tonight’s game gave me a trade idea involving Hinrich for a certain Pistons SG. No not BG, but Rip Hamilton. Yeah he’s over-the-hill, but he’s a good defender and doesn’t need the ball in his hands to be effective making him a perfect complement to Rose. If we still have a bit of cap room when we make the trade, we could trade Hinrich for him straight up. The Pistons would save over $20 million over the next 3 years, so I think we could swipe a draft pick or 2 from them in that deal. If we could coax them into giving us 2 top-5 protected 1st rounders or something like that, I’d pull the trigger on that.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Mar 29, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

The problem with this free-agent class

is that there really are no shooting guards that are in that “semi-star” range to go after to team up with Boozer or Lee. I know there was some talk of Murrow on the Warriors, but is he really a starter? He definitely gives us that consistent, three point shooting that this team needs, though.

I agree with the trade exception idea. If we can land Bosh or Amare with our max cap room than Murrow with the mid-level exception, I would be thrilled.

by LoveForTheGame on Mar 29, 2010 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

morrow is an RFA.

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Mar 29, 2010 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Warriors are fools, though

Who really knows what they are going to do. The Bulls could have a chance with giving Morrow a long term deal like for 5 years for the Mid-level, which is like 5 million a year or so.

by LoveForTheGame on Mar 29, 2010 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

i think the bulls could get similar production at the SG through the next 2 drafts.

i wouldnt waste that kind of money on morrow.

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Mar 29, 2010 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

No MLE for the Bulls

You lose your exceptions if you use your cap space.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Mar 29, 2010 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

he's actually losing playing time to the latest D-League sensation Reggie Williams

so it may be likely he can be had. I don’t trust GSW numbers much, but he is interesting.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

BaB's reaction will be to brand you as a heretic because Bosh=Jesus here for some reason.

Tonight he shot 40% (8-20) putting up 19/6. I’m sure this doesn’t tell the whole story, but it doesn’t compare well to his opponent D.Wade putting the team on his back for the victory. Just because Bosh says he wants to be recognized as a franchise player doesn’t make him one.

I think the max-contract thing is distorting people’s perceptions of the quality of players somewhat. LeBron and Wade are on a different tier than Bosh. If you forget about the dollar signs and consider what they do for a team, Bosh, Boozer, Amare or even Lee are not drastically far apart…even if Bosh leads the pack.

*Don’t reach for the pitchfork yet. By this I mean that I think talent-wise Bosh compares closer to these guys than he does to Lebron or Wade. Think of it in terms of planet sizes…if LBJ is Jupiter and Wade is Saturn, then Bosh is Uranus.

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by headphones on Mar 29, 2010 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not sure anyone is saying "I'd rather have Bosh than Wade."

Personally, I’d definitely take Wade. He’s a better player, he has a ring, he’d fill one of our two holes (PF and SG), etc., etc. However, I do agree with the consensus that we’ve got a better shot at Bosh, especially considering that Miami is definitely going to make the playoffs and Toronto is more up in the air. I’d be thrilled with either- I think they’re both terrific players, and if Bosh can (as I’ve said before) be the Garnett to Rose’s Pierce, we’d have a good chance of being in contention for a number of years.

Will everyone stop hating on Deng, please?

by Chalkwhite on Mar 29, 2010 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously.

1.LeBron
2. Wade
3. Bosh/ Stat

Everything else or anyone who says different is retarded.

Luol Deng 24 going on 54.

by SoulEater7 on Mar 29, 2010 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I concur

You realistically run the risk of Wade being chronically injured in the tail end of his deal, as opposed to Bosh, who is much younger. Naturally, you take either in a heartbeat if they’re available, but Bosh does offer better long-term value.

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by Ben R on Mar 29, 2010 3:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather have Bosh than Wade.

Age difference. Ball in Rose’s hands. LeBron I don’t bother thinking about.

Bosh or Bust

by JockstrapNoah on Mar 29, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

i dont know what the max is but say its 18M/year. and lets say boozer/lee/amare get 14M/year.

the 4M/year players (non rooks) just arent that good. its guys like rafer alston, daniel gibson, kwame brown, zaza pachulia, james jones, deshawn stevenson, darius songaila, ryan gomes, and luke walton. are those guys even a positive impact on the court? so lets say bosh makes his team 7 points better. and boozer/lee/amare make their teams 5 points better. and lets say these 4M guys dont make their teams better at all or are -1. isnt this an easy decision? im trying to make this as concrete as possible, so you can realize what you are saying is “i could have had bosh but id rather have david lee so that i can get james jones too.”

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Mar 29, 2010 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The problem is that if you accept the idea that Bosh isn't a transcendent talent

on the level of LBJ or Wade, then you’re talking about utility, and Bosh only solves one problem (needing someone big). Granted, he’s a great solution, but that still leaves outside scoring. If there’s not a single decent player to be had for $4 mil, then is the idea just to go deep into the playoffs but never the finals until we luck into a low draft pick?

hard pail lunch hat

by headphones on Mar 29, 2010 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

derrick and lu are perimeter players who can score. the best you are going to get for 4M

is a guy who spaces the floor. the bulls could get that this year if they draft, say, james anderson. im not saying there arent holes to fill on this team, i just think your “water down the talent to get more mediocre players” plan is very bad.

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Mar 29, 2010 1:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

My point is that I'm not sure your watering it down as much as people seem to think.

But Amare, Lee and Boozer are all All-Star caliber players, so if you need someone who can board and score, they get the job done. Do you honestly think there’s no foreseeable way that an extra 3-4 million $ could be put to good use? I guess all the non-starters in the league are all interchangeable then.

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by headphones on Mar 29, 2010 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

exactly. they are. when a vet in his prime is making 4M/year, its because he is expendable.

if his skills were important and unique, hed command more than a mere 4M/year.

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by TheMoon on Mar 29, 2010 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

"I guess all the non-starters in the league are all interchangeable then."

That’s not true. But if you look around the league, you’ll find that most good backups are either on rookie contracts or got at least the MLE in FA.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Mar 29, 2010 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

But if you look at most championship teams

they go deeper than their starting 5.

hard pail lunch hat

by headphones on Mar 29, 2010 1:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

But you can find bench guys even using your cap space

Look at the Laker’s bench last year. They’re key bench guys were Ariza, Brown, and Farmar. The first two were trade steals and Farmar was a late 1st-rounder. Championship teams build their core first and then add role players by digging around in the scrap heap.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Mar 29, 2010 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

ariza was a starter during playoffs…lamar odom was the key off bench

by rick_ross on Mar 30, 2010 3:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can you please provide examples of that?

Because I doubt it…I would agree that some good back ups are on rookie deals or MLE, but there are several that are on other types of deals…like Brad Miller, Jannero Pargo, Shannon Brown, Manu Ginobilli, Glen Davis, Jason Terry…etc.

Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.

by Dionysus2.0 on Mar 29, 2010 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

huh?
got at least the MLE in FA

sooo… there’s shannon brown

good work again d2.0

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Mar 29, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Shannon Brown did not the get the MLE.

He got 2 years, $4.2M with the second year a player option.

Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.

by Dionysus2.0 on Mar 29, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

And that's about the only example.

And I said good backups, which excludes pargo.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Mar 29, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh...

Reading comprehension failure.

Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.

by Dionysus2.0 on Mar 29, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know about you

but I would totally count ‘sixth men of the year’ candidates as ‘good backups’. Except I wouldn’t, because they usually play more minutes than whoever they replace [usually a defensively-minded 2 who is the ‘good backup’ you mention, and who makes substantially less].

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Mar 29, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Miller, ginobili and Terry make over the mle

AvisDavis is on a rookie deal , pargo isn’t good leaving Shannon brown as the one exception.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Mar 29, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I misread your original point.

But, Davis is NOT on a rookie deal.

Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.

by Dionysus2.0 on Mar 29, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

My bad thougt he was

There are obviously exceptions here and there, but if you compiled a list of all the players who average 15+ mpg on playoff teams, I’d bet that at least 70% wouldve on rookie contracts or making at least the mle.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Mar 29, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which would be "most", as you said.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Mar 29, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

That wasn't directed at you.

I was just pointing out that you basically just re-stated your position

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Mar 29, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he is right...

I failed at reading comprehension.

Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.

by Dionysus2.0 on Mar 29, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually looking around the league, I'm wrong if you use 15 mpg as the cutoff.

But there are a lot of shitty players who get just over 15 mpg on good teams (Marquis Daniels, Reggie Evans). If you restrict it to 18+mpg, I think I’m right.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Mar 29, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even if you don't think Bosh alone is enough to make us a contender (which I do)...

We can still look for a SG the next year with the MLE. Or look to get one in a trade (see my comment above regarding Rip Hamilton). And I still hold that we can win a championship without a great 2-guard. The Lakers won last year starting Derek Fisher at PG, ffs. Rose/Hinrich/Deng/Bosh/Noah would quite arguably be the best starting line in the NBA.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Mar 29, 2010 1:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

exactly

Bosh and Rose are both young enougn to where they don’t have to complete the team in a single offseason. So just get the best player available since this is the only year we’ll have the cap space to do so.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

this is short-sighted

you’re not thinking of the value we’ll add through potential draft picks, like the lottery pick we may very well have this offseason.

saying a Top-10 player is “utility” is way off.

by swede2287 on Mar 29, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

So we we will have like 18 mil of cap space for next season

Boozer for 10 mil/ 5 year, Ginobili for 8 mil/3 year deal. This would make some sense to me. Boozer really is not that much worse than Bosh IMO and is only a couple years older. Look at what the Jazz are doing with Boozer and Williams at the top. Boozer would be less expensive, so we can attain another quality player with the cap room. This team would be more competitive than landing just Bosh. While Ginobili deal is expiring we can develop a SG through the draft to replace Manu as he is getting set to retire. This current team needs depth and perimeter play just as much as a big man.

The key is for the Bulls to get better with the draft like the Rockets have in recent years by getting players such as Landry and Brooks to replace aging players. It’s always a good idea to mix veterans, young guys, and championship level experience together to form a team.

by LoveForTheGame on Mar 29, 2010 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

*meant to say late in the draft

because hopefully we will not be drafting in the lottery these next couple years :)

by LoveForTheGame on Mar 29, 2010 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Boozer hang ups and

never returns any phone calls w/ an offer of $10mill p/yr

by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 29, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah and look where the Rockets have been...

Banking on striking gold on late first round picks is a pretty unreliable way to build a team.

Brad Miller is god.

by Poloplaya14 on Mar 29, 2010 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's been the injuries that have costed them

But they were able to turn Landry and T-Mac into Kevin Martin and Jordan hill

The Rockets are going to be one of the premier teams in the league next year with Yao healthy. They might be the second best team in the West depending on how Yao plays. They are also extremely deep next season.

Brooks/Lowry
Martin/Battier/Budinger
Ariza/Budinger/Jeffries
Scola/Hill
Yao/Hayes

by LoveForTheGame on Mar 29, 2010 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Scola is a free agent this Summer...

While restricted, he could possibly get signed away from the Rockets…

Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.

by Dionysus2.0 on Mar 29, 2010 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Scola should be...

banned from the NBA for his relentless attempts to deceive (aka flopping).

by badnewsintennisshoes on Mar 29, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kevin Martin, Jordan Hill, AND a lottery pick

and the rights to swap another lottery pick.
Mmm-mmm, robbery.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Mar 29, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was the most lopsided trade of the season!

Knicks mode, no matter the GM is to mortgage the future for short-term gain. I was really surprised Walsh did that trade.

by chgobr on Mar 29, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

headphony, such a martyr

If LeBron and Wade are on a different tier, they can’t be paid a different tier since there’s a MAX contract.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh now I get it.

The salaries are the only indicator we need of a player’s value.

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by headphones on Mar 29, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

nope, that wasn't it.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Let's say Lebron and Wade's tier is ~28 million.

Let’s say Bosh’s tier is ~20 million.
The max is ~18 million.
Q: Given that these things are true, is paying Bosh the max overpaying for Bosh?

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Mar 29, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Are you saying that max-contracts aren't high enough?

I don’t get the point here at all, you’re using circular logic. People are lusting over Bosh because they’re conflating value with expense. Forget about the salaries for a minute. Talent-wise, the gulf between Bosh and LBJ or Wade is far wider than it is between Bosh and Amare, Lee or Boozer. And yet people are insisting that we go after him (assuming LBJ and Wade stay put) as though he were as valuable as either of them, because they can’t bear the idea of not getting a max-FA.

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by headphones on Mar 29, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

no, its because hes the third best guy available. under the current

system however, he gets to make as much money as wad/lebron. thats just how it is. and as i showed you earlier, you arent getting anything by saving a few mil.

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by TheMoon on Mar 29, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

finally youre starting to make some more sense......

i can understand your argument.

my only problem with your argument – we disagree with how big the gap is between bosh and amare, lee, boozer.

if i thought the gap between bosh and those three wasn’t huge – then i would say take one of those three and then add a $4 million FA also.

think youre undervaluing bosh big-time.

by swede2287 on Mar 29, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure its that easy to compare

a PF with ball handler creator types like LeBron and Wade. The PF needs somebody to get him the ball in a good spot. The impact a PF has on the game is much different than the impact LeBron and Wade have.

Bosh or Bust

by JockstrapNoah on Mar 29, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Assuming LBJ and Wade stay put,

Bosh is the best next option.
Guess what? He’s worth a max contract! Let’s get him!

I don’t think anyone thinks Bosh is as valuable as either Wade or LBJ in their prime [you could make a case for Wade possibly starting a precipitous decline in the near future]. But he’s worth the max, and we have this massive hole at PF, and enough money to give it to him.
The only problem with this line of thought is the new CBA, whatever it is.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Mar 29, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

ummm no obviously

youre just not getting the added benefit of wade and lebron – but this is all assuming WE CANT GET those two.

we’re still getting market value for bosh, who would be the best player available.

by swede2287 on Mar 29, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

bosh is mentioned as a max FA for a reason

Yes – he’s not in the class of wade and lebron (there are about three or four players in this league who are.

He is head-and-shoulders above boozer, amare, and lee. theres no real comparison there; which is why he’s mentioned at the top of this FA class behind lebron, wade.

by swede2287 on Mar 29, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

How is there no comparison?

If he were really head-and-shoulders above these guys, don’t you think we’d have seen his teams in the playoffs a little more often? Seriously, his scoring and rebounding averages are slighlty higher, but how is he blowing them out of the water? Honestly, truly, seriously: I really would like to hear why people think Bosh blows these guys out of the water.

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by headphones on Mar 29, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

He does,

he better than Boozer, Better Amare, David Lee is not even in Bosh’s league. Bosh can score, rebound, and defend. He is a better fit w/ the Bulls then the Raptors

by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 29, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

hyperbolizationing

he doesn’t blow them out of the water. He’s better than all of them, both through the numbers you concede, plus he’s a better defender and is younger, and has proven to be healthier. I’d rather have him than not him plus a $3m shooting guard (we already have a $9m shooting guard).

And playoffs are a team achievement.

You don’t think Bosh is that good, fine. We probably won’t get him anyway, so nyah nyah to us, you are the true hero arguing for sanity in this messed up world.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Simple

Calderon is no way near the level of Deron Williams and Steve Nash

Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0

by bull83 on Mar 29, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Some guy

told my friend that Calderon will be an all-star next year, WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 29, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

If all the spanish vote for Calderon, sure

Even Iverson was an all-star this year and played like shit all season

Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0

by bull83 on Mar 29, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

AGREED!,

Bosh next to Rose would be awesome, LETS SHUT DOWN THE CARTER ON DAVID LEE TALK!!

by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 29, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's won the same amount as Boozer, Amare, and Lee.

Of those three, which are viewed through a “franchise player” scope like Bosh? Amare lost that tag a while ago, and it’s pretty obvious he’s a dominant offensive force who can’t defend or rebound and has had injury concerns of his own. Boozer is a great PnR partner who’s flaked out on his teammates due to contract distractions and has injury concerns. And Lee has put up great numbers on teams that were out of the playoff running by January every season.

This backlash is odd for a number of reasons. First of all, Bulls fans are acting like it’s a foregone conclusion we will get whoever we want. Second, no one has ever claimed Bosh to be perfect. He has pretty obvious flaws to his game, but if you’re going to be shelling out big money I’ll take the most consistent player out of the pack. LeBron/Wade is out of reach and frankly any time the Bulls spend pursuing either is a waste.

by Ozzie Montana on Mar 29, 2010 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

this bosh-bashing is laughable

we’d be lucky to get him this summer…..and if we’re completely honest with ourselves….he probably will be lured by another team.

by swede2287 on Mar 29, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

maybe they ask Wade for the hometown discount

that seems to be a popular route amongst some here.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Two things

Boozer won’t sign for much less than the max. Since we don’t get MLE, we will have no way of signing manu (not that he’d sign for that little anyways).

Also, who cares what Bosh has won?! Six seasons without winning anything, who does this sound like? Kevin Garnett didn’t win a playoff series until his eighth season (in which he won the MVP). He then went to Boston and won a championship. What you’ve won is relatively meaningless. Plenty of great players never won a championship because they had to go up against the Lakers’, Celtics’, or Bulls’ dynasties. it doesn’t mean that Bosh wouldn’t put the Bulls much, much closer to winning a championship.

Bosh is a top 5 rebounder and top 10 scorer in the NBA. That’s freakin good.

by DRose01 on Mar 29, 2010 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Bosh is damn good

But c’mon, he’s no KG. Minnesota with the exception for one year couldn’t put anything around him. However, it would be nice to see Bosh paired with Rose, a star on the rise instead of the mediocrity up in Canada.

by SamsHops on Mar 29, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know this is a small sample but

Amare is dropping 30/10 over his last 10 games and has been phenominal in the 2nd half of the season. He’s also doing over 1 block per game and going to the line an average of 11 times (8 on the season).

by juicewolta on Mar 29, 2010 12:51 AM CDT reply actions  

nash is hurting and amare has "put the team on his back", to a degree

this from the “bad character” guy, while (good guy?) bosh has been bitching out his team and “shrinking”.

granted, his team isn’t as good….

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by marionette on Mar 29, 2010 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

As was expected (I guess)

this has devolved into another FA discussion, and while I know how fun it is to speculate and make fun of this player or that player, I think the time has come for people to really look at the big picture. Take a look at all these teams with capspace, and consider how much money a lot of these guys would be giving up just to play here or anywhere else for that matter.

I really don’t think we can be that picky. Luckily, Chicago is a great city, and we appear to be willing to shell out the cash, so we probably won’t leave empty handed, but I think all this Bosh bashing and (insert name here) bashing should stop, because we’d probably be lucky to get any one of these guys.

Neil takes the fun out of funk

by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 29, 2010 2:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Fact

Any of these guys improves the team, but then again, signing the wrong guy could doom the team to mediocrity for quite some time.

by DRose01 on Mar 29, 2010 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

exactly

when we end up with joe johnson, this bosh-bashing thread is going to look really silly

by swede2287 on Mar 29, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Too bad KC couldn't hear Stacey King

“What’s Dumars going to do when 2 years from now he has a roster of Ben Gordon, Austin Daye, and Charlie Villanueva?”

12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)

by NBA Observer on Mar 29, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

bahahahahaha

Charlie Villanueva.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Mar 29, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

probably fondle his '04 championship ring

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I know Pargo has been brutal in spot minutes off the bench

But when he knew he was gonna start, the chucker poured in 27 pts.

Give it up for Pargo!

Also, Amare >>>>> Bosh. And he will get a MAX deal. As will Boozer. Both Amare and Boozer crushed opponents in the playoffs. CRUSHED THEM. HISTORICALLY GREAT PRODUCTION.

And yes they had very good teams and guards with them.

SO, It isn’t fair to dismiss them when comparing to Bosh. Who gives a fuck if they are 2-3 years older? Everyone knows Bosh is a big softy.

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by Trey23 on Mar 29, 2010 10:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Care to back up your SAS style commentary

with some actual facts concerning “Amare>>>>>Bosh”?

Amare has proven himself befor, but not only is Amare older, but he has worse knees than my Grandmother at this point and he isn’t a back to the basket player. Boozer is good but also old, ouchy and hasn’t actually had “HISTORICALLY GREAT PRODUCTION” in the playoffs. You put Bosh with Noah and you have one of the best 4-5 combos in the league. Also, Bosh has never played with someone remotely close to Nash/Williams or on the caliber of teams they have.

If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.

by Chi 'Till I Die on Mar 29, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, he had that amazing series against SA in 2005.

But, as SoulEater7 is always lovingly pointing out ONE PLAYOFF SERIES DOESN’T MEAN ANYTHING WHERE’S THE TOUGHNESS.

by Ozzie Montana on Mar 29, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Amare 37 and 15 against the Spurs in the playoffs, or something close

Amare career 55% shooter

Bosh 49% -- too many jumpers

Boozer 25 and 12 in the playoffs. Against the best teams.

Bosh in the playoffs? Oh right sample size is too small. He was too busy leading his team to 28 wins.

Look, I know Bosh is fantastic, but don’t dismiss how good Boozer and Amare are.

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by Trey23 on Mar 29, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bargnani has more blocks than Bosh

Shows you his lack of effort on rotation and defense.

"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub

by Trey23 on Mar 29, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Bulls had a horrible block rate under Skiles when they were near the top in defense.

Those teams didn’t try at all. That’s true.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Mar 29, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah also bargnani is a better defender than bosh.

blocks are the determinant for how good a defender is.

shouldn’t surprise us that bargnani is a better defender than bosh. he has all the makings of a better defender – he’s slow, weak, has a double chin, never wanders inside the three point line on offense or defense…

by swede2287 on Mar 29, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

getting blocks is effort and timing

No reason why someone with Bosh’s athletic skills should have so few blocks, other than standing there and watching layin and dunks, night after night.

Esp. when he’s the only one with size and strength to defend the paint on the team.

Toronto = worst defense in the NBA during his tenure.

Bosh = scared of contact, would rather watch

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by Trey23 on Mar 29, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bosh: only 2.4 fouls per game

For their only interior big? That’s laughable.

Amare 3.5
Boozer 3.5

So who isn’t rotating? Who isn’t helping? Rupaul.

"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub

by Trey23 on Mar 29, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

So who isn’t rotating? Who isn’t helping? Rupaul.

indeed!!!! except were talking about bosh here…so im not sure what rupaul has to do with it…

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by piccolomair on Mar 29, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's a fun little misogynistic nickname

credited to that scholar and sage, Shaq.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess not technically misogyny

since Rupaul is in fact a man. It’s lame regardless.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

heh

my jokes suck….

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by piccolomair on Mar 29, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

eh, my bad, actually.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

amare fouls like carmelo anthony fouls: because hes too damn lazy to

be in the right place defensively, so he comes late and tries to make up for it by reaching. and boozer fouls because sloan tells his guys to foul anyone who makes it to the paint.

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Mar 29, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

hed fit with the bulls

with hinrich trying to knock down open 3s
pargo trying to be ben gordon
vinny trying to coach
and all being terrible at it..

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by piccolomair on Mar 29, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really don't buy this logic.

80+ commetns on Bosh being “soft” and typical ignorant bullshit, yet no acknowledgement of how terrible Amare and Boozer are on defense, despite having much more physical personas.

I guess the moral of the story is if you thump your chest after dunking on D-Leaguers or scream “AND ONE” after every basket you earn respect.

by Ozzie Montana on Mar 29, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

yeah of those three names who is criticized more for their lack of D?

amare receives far more criticism for his porous defense.

im not sure bosh is necessarily a great defender…..but i know amare’s D is horrible.

by swede2287 on Mar 29, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

just to be clear

ive been in the bosh over amare camp, i dont think bosh is some stellar defender, and i think amare can have his days on the defensive end and rebounding, and i wouldnt complain if i got amare because bosh went somewhere else, but i prefer bosh, he is younger has a higher cieling, and will consistently rebound and defend better than amare…

I see amare having the same game as warrick, but at an elite level, and bosh having the same game as taj but an elite level…and id prefer taj over warrick…..

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by piccolomair on Mar 29, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

The thing is, I've never said Bosh was a superb defender.

It’s easily the weakest part of his game. Just pointing out the hypocrisy in calling one player out on it when the alternatives are just as flawed.

by Ozzie Montana on Mar 29, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

so bosh in the playoffs is to small a sample, but amare in 05 agaist the spurs isnt?

if you look at these guys offensive ratings compared to their team offensive ratings you see that boozer/amare’s are greater by about 2. on the other hand bosh’s offensive rating has been 5-9 points better than his teams ORTG ever since he was 21. so unless you think boozer and amare bring the D, bosh the way to go.

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Mar 29, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or the Nets

Someone will.

But I guess he has 3-4 good years left? 20 and 10 every year if he stays healthy. It wouldn’t be a disastrous thing. Like being stuck with Charlie V. Or Kirk.

"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub

by Trey23 on Mar 29, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or the Heat?

Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.

by Dionysus2.0 on Mar 29, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we paint the sidewalk purple

I bet we could sign Boozer for less than the max.

Also, if we can get Prince to play him one on one we could get him for even less.

12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)

by NBA Observer on Mar 29, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah 55% fg is pretty slow

As is 19 pts and 11 rebounds

IN ONLY 34 mpg.

"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub

by Trey23 on Mar 29, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

at jumping

thats about it.

"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub

by Trey23 on Mar 29, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm in a hole right now

"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub

by Trey23 on Mar 29, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

that explains alot

have you tried coming out of this hole…?

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by piccolomair on Mar 29, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Playoff push and my free agent hopes

Regarding our playoff push. We need to win a game against a quality team. I must say after losing 10 straight games it is amazing to me we are even talking possible playoffs. The Toronto losses to Denver and Miami were startling in that both games Toronto was well ahead. The shot by Anthony was a break we really needed. However, even with Toronto’s recent collapses we are desperate for a win against a good team. Hmmn – we play Phoenix tomorrow. Toronto will have three cream puffs coming up in Lac, Phi and GSW. We need to to have some unexpected wins. If we make the playoffs, if Deng returns, if Noah returns to the monster he was combined with Derrick we can give Cleveland a decent series. We will lose but can make it interesting.

I have gone over and over the free agent frenzy anticipated in July. It is hard to see us being worse with any of the free agents. I still like Joe Johnson but my enthusiasm has been tempered by a story by Matt and a particularly good Fan Post by YauPao documenting the concern with the last few years of a long Joe Johnson contract. A free agent is an addition without a subtraction. It is hard to see us worse and I do believe the Bulls org has and is doing due diligence evaluating the free agent group. The question is who can we close the deal with?

by chgobr on Mar 29, 2010 12:03 PM CDT reply actions  

"I do believe the Bulls org has and is doing due diligence"

who’s the free-agent equivalent of Vinny Del Negro?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Matt - I'm too dense on this and need a little help.

Missed this one Matt. Are you saying we need a new coach and will be looking for coaching free agents?

by chgobr on Mar 29, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm saying the last time the Bulls did their due dillegence

it was an ongoing joke with a cruddy result.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gotcha - we need more than due diligence - we need a good free agent!

I do remember the extensive due diligence for our coaching search. I anticipate they pull the trigger in a timely manner this time and close the deal.

by chgobr on Mar 29, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

All this discussion about Bosh only happens because he didn't cameback well from his injury

In the beginning of the year, when he avg 24.9 points in October, 24.7 in December and 29.2 until mid January – time he missed seven games in a row -, nobody talked about Bosh being similar or worst than Amare or Boozer. The Raptors were playing great by that time and almost everyone wanted the Bulls chase Bosh in the summer. Now, that they suck, people start to criticize Bosh…

Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0

by bull83 on Mar 29, 2010 12:08 PM CDT reply actions  

also, Pau Gasol is soft and will never win anything

I don’t get it either. I’d start the parade for Gar Paxdorf if they landed Bosh. Heck, I’d even send a nice card if they signed Joe Johnson, even if it cripples us long-term. I just want to see a better team, fortheloveofgod.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

I’ll send anthrax if they sign Joe Johnson. One cute card from Matt and one powdery white substance from Joe Joe.

Luol Deng 24 going on 54.

by SoulEater7 on Mar 29, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

just drive in that lake already

whatever, I want good players. If overpaying Joe Johnson means that the Bulls refuse to pay more in the future and go into the luxury tax, we were never going to win anything anyway. Maybe we can get another lottery miracle when Rose is a Laker.

So if they actually sign one of the top 5 free agents, I’m considering that a salvaged team-gouging. Not great, but better than getting nothing, or as they and Bill Simmons would call it (ugh), ‘letting it breathe’ and paying nobody.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

yeahhhhh

i’d rather have joe johnson than nothing.

that signing would once again show how far behind we are in properly evaluating players….and signing them to appropriate deals.

but yeah – i’d rather have him as opposed to nothing.

by swede2287 on Mar 29, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

"just drive in that lake already"

man souleater will never live that down…lol

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by piccolomair on Mar 29, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

also from that same simmons column

he loved signing jannero pargo, who he called the poor mans ben gordon. pargo has proven himself to be the poor mans flip murray.

it’s really too bad he hasn’t written about the bulls this year, other than just mindlessly throwing out comments like “lebron and bosh to the bulls this summer.” i’d love to hear what he has to say about how letting this pile of garbage breathe has been such a raging success.

http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com

by Calogero on Mar 29, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

what does he care?

he doesn’t have to watch the team. It’s a lot easier to say make a season meaningless when you can say so from afar. And I always got the point of it, but it still stinks when it’s actually happening. July 1st could be a great day, but it doesn’t mean I can’t complain now.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I bet Miami fans are having the same discussion...

… and that Pat Riley is thinking: Bosh don’t have much playoff experience… hum… it’s not like he played well in the olimpics… oh fuck it! Let’s sign the older Boozer and let Bosh go to the Bulls

Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0

by bull83 on Mar 29, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

crossing my fingers

although i kinda doubt that miami’s the team we have to worry about in the bosh sweepstakes….based solely off his “wanting to be the first option” comments

by swede2287 on Mar 29, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

that'd be nice

cause besides those comments I can’t make a case why he’d choose Chicago over Miami. We’d ultimately have the better supporting cast, but it’s not THAT much better (especially if you argue one great player makes up for everything, no matter how ‘very good’ Rose is already) and they have a better ownership/management group.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

plus the usual non-basketball Miami>Chicago stuff that gets some people righteously indignant

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

geez bosh to miami would be awful....

that would add miami to the Eastern Conference teams we will not beat in a playoff series for the next six years. crap.

by swede2287 on Mar 29, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

bulls dont have to worry about beating teams in a playoff series for the next 6 years

when they probably wont be making the playoffs for the next 6 years…

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by piccolomair on Mar 29, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

LeBron in Miami

would give the Bulls the best shot at landing Bosh. I’m praying for Cleveland to lay down against the Hawks.

Bosh or Bust

by JockstrapNoah on Mar 29, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Miami is who I fear most

If Wade stays there, he will attract other FA. If LeBron chooses to go somewhere else, than maybe Bosh will follow him

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by bull83 on Mar 29, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

couldn't have said it any better

These guys should be praised if they’re actually able to land one of the “top 5”.

As for Bosh not winning anything, that has nothing to do with his skill set, a skill set the Bulls desperately need.

Gasol and Garnett are indeed classic examples of what happens when you put great players on a team they’re able to succeed with.

Is Barkley nothing without the ring? Really? You guys sound like Beyonce with that “Put a ring on it” talk.

Speaking of Barkley, just more reason to point out idiocy. He was the guy that said Bosh wouldn’t work well with Noah cause they would be undersized. Ummm, ok. And when Pippen said, LeBron wouldn’t work cause he would take the ball out of Rose’s hands. Haha. Oh and of course how they shouldn’t go after Wade cause he’s too similar to Derrick and the backcourt would be undersized again. Classic stuff.

You combine those with the excuses the Bulls shouldn’t go for Johnson (age), Amare and Boozer (injury concerns) and Lee (just really isn’t all that) … The Bulls should just avoid the best free agent class ever completely.

As for the Bulls sudden optimism, I’d hold back a bit. Bulls schedule all of a sudden becomes tough stuff while Toronto’s schedule looks quite appealing.

by Option27 on Mar 29, 2010 12:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

well 99% of former players don't know shit about evaluating talent and throwing a good team together....

that kinda goes without saying.

yeahhhh i understand not being too optimistic. but the fact is we are 1/2 game back right now……even tho we probably wont be able to sustain our resurgence.

by swede2287 on Mar 29, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just a quick off the topic comment about this actual Bulls season......

the end of this season has potential to be pretty interesting.

i am a little shocked at how the raps have fallen and we’re catching up. unfortunately i am fully prepared for us to rattle off a six game losing streak and our chances completely crumble.

last couple of days have made this finish interesting…..and given us some hope.

by swede2287 on Mar 29, 2010 12:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Shocked also

I am shocked by what happened the last few days. I saw the end of the Toronto – Denver game and that finish was a Bulls’ miracle. Toronto should have won that game. Bosh missed a critical free throw and Carmelo Anthony missed the game winner with about 5 seconds left in the game. The rebound bounced into multiple hands and was saved by Denver. I do not know how so much happened in this 5 seconds. I do not know who got the rebound but he passed to Billups with about 2 seconds left. Billups saw Carmelo waving across the court. Billups had the intelligence and guts to pass the ball even though time was running out. Carmelo got it and shot immediately. Game over! If we make the playoffs that game will be remembered as a turning point.

by chgobr on Mar 29, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Derrick is using facebook more.
Derrick Rose HUGE win last night. We have to stay focused and keep playing hard if we want to make the playoffs. We’re playing good D, rebounding, and running, and if we can keep doing that at a high level, we have a good shot at making the post season. Next up Phoenix!

Luol Deng 24 going on 54.

by SoulEater7 on Mar 29, 2010 1:28 PM CDT reply actions  

keep your stalker ear to the ground

besides, that screams ‘fake’ given the adequate syntax.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Facebook makes me a stalker?

I gave up walking around the Berto center. I do miss talking to Yao Ming’s limo driver.

Luol Deng 24 going on 54.

by SoulEater7 on Mar 29, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

no enough

ums..so i know its not rose, plus were all the words spelled correctly? if so then thats a good giveaway…

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Mar 29, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I mean it in the nicest possible way

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, there's no way he wrote that

Thrusting out of the playoff race, one injury at a time.

by Illini15 on Mar 29, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, doubt that it was Derrick.

His response would have been something like “That was, uh, a huge win, uh, for us. But we gotta maintain like that, uh, against Phoenix.”

"You know what Neil, stop being such a sourpuss." - Stacey King

by Scribbz on Mar 29, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

nope

I want the Cavs…i need the cavs…if we give em 2 games of pure hell, that would be awesome

by Belize on Mar 29, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats what I'm hoping for.

Derrick looks like he’s in top form. Still not getting calls though.

Luol Deng 24 going on 54.

by SoulEater7 on Mar 29, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

in due time

he still has another year of BS..hopefully all the injuries make the refs wise up and see that they need to step up their whistle game.

what u think? Think we can grab a game IN Cleveland?

by Belize on Mar 29, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

In the Q?

Doubt it. LBJ is going to get all the calls.

Luol Deng 24 going on 54.

by SoulEater7 on Mar 29, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

we need deng

he does a solid job on guarding lebron and forces lebron to actually pay attention on defense…say what you want about deng and his lack of dogness, but without him this team is gonna get crushed against any team in the playoffs…

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Mar 29, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Completely agree

without Deng, the playoffs won’t be competitive.

Bosh or Bust

by JockstrapNoah on Mar 29, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just like last season when Deng was out?

And the playoffs were off the charts for the Bulls?

Luol Deng 24 going on 54.

by SoulEater7 on Mar 29, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

it was truly magical

so hopefully LeBron slips on a banana peel so the situations are analogous.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

ya we need deng

only deng is prob gonna be a DNP..again

by Belize on Mar 29, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

They’ll be like those cute 8th seeds that always tried to give the Bulls trouble. There’s always that one game where the young team is up in the 4th quarter, then LeBron scores 20 straight and takes a dump on Jordan’s statue.

by Ozzie Montana on Mar 29, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

maybe if rose is great and both deng and jj are healthy.

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Mar 29, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha.

i have to laugh at the absurdity of criticizing the team and then saying they can beat the cavs.

but to answer the question – we definitely should get beat by the cavs. duh. but i will be more than ecstatic if we actually make the playoffs and get to face them.

by swede2287 on Mar 29, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno: he be earnest, yet misguided

it’s always dangerous to assume people are saying stuff they don’t believe to get a rise out of people, instead of just having bad basketball opinions.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lady parts?

Have you ever seen lady parts in your mom’s basement? Looking up skirts from the basement windows doesn’t count.

Luol Deng 24 going on 54.

by SoulEater7 on Mar 29, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your mom!

YOUR MOM!!!

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Mar 29, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

A healthy Bulls team can give them a series.

Meaning, Rose, Noah and Deng playing 40+ a game. The Cavs aren’t as good as they were last year but they still would win.

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by Scribbz on Mar 29, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

better comment

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good wins over the weekend....

….which still gives a shot for the 8th spot in the East, but here’s the BIG QUESTION: do we really want it!? Sure it would make one of the potential All-Star free agents look at us a “Playoff team” in need of their services to get us over the hump. But if we do make the postseason, that may give Vinny the job security he needs for next season, which a lot of fans are not in favor of, and Bulls management over-thinking again- thus mucking up things with player signings and trades. So making the playoffs can help and hurt the Bulls. Don’t get me wrong, i WANT the Bulls to make the playoffs, but not at the expense of reduplicating another season like this one! As always, we stay behind the eightball on this one….

J.I.

by Jeye15 The Legend on Mar 29, 2010 3:23 PM CDT reply actions  

'playoffs' seems pretty arbitrary when it comes to VDN's future

I’d have to think they’ve decided he’s gone, regardless of how they perform in the goal of a pretty meaningless playoff appearance. If they are in fact waiting on that as a way to decide…my god we stink.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

eh

during the miami debacle, before the game craig sager did a report about asking the bulls players of what they thought about vdn, i dont remember the exact quote but i remember when he stated what the bulls players said, it didnt sound like a vote of confidence for vinny, cuz it was something like “hes our coach this season and thats just the way it is, whether he should stay or not is something we would have to look at later, but right now hes our coach” and to me that reminded me of kirky (heh noah) talking about “winning it for vdn”….in other words i think the players dont hate him, but they couldnt care less about him, and if he is probably a good enough guy that they dont mind playing for him, but they probably arent dying to make sure he remains on this team….now if only bulls management does something about htis…

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Mar 29, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for the caption

Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

by bigballa10 on Mar 29, 2010 4:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Playoffs Good Momentum

I still contend that even if we get a 4-game lashing from the Cavs, it’s good experience for Rose. More time in big game atmosphere against the best and who knows, maybe Lebron will buy into the playoff atmosphere at the United Center. In any event, missing the playoffs would be a letdown and I’d rather this team follow some momentum into the offseason.

And watching a lot of other games lately, I’m not as depressed as I was about having Carlos Boozer as our fallback option. If you figure at some point that Deron Williams and Rose become a wash at the PG position, you have to feel the Bulls have a better supporting cast than the Jazz do. You’d give Rose a legitimate guy to pick & roll with and allow Deng to play the 3rd fiddle which he is more suited for. Noah won’t have to play as big a role in the offense and can focus on cleaning up the offensive boards, blocking shots, and getting out on breaks. They’d still have a hole in the 3-point department, but I’m hoping they could parlay Kirk’s expiring deal into something of value, or cleared a bit to allow for the signing of a veteran like Ray Allen who can drop a few 3’s every night.

Barring a super team with Lebron and Wade on it, I would like our chances to be one of the top teams in the East (like how the Jazz are in the West). And while I would of course take Wade or Lebron in a heartbeat, I don’t think Boozer is that far of a dropoff from Bosh outside of the two year age difference.

by Niwrad on Mar 29, 2010 7:09 PM CDT reply actions  

If D-Wade wants to come back home....

…i welcome it with open arms. Our backcourt play would be ridiculous, but WHO would our big guys be on the receiving end of those passes? That’s why if i was up to me to choose where the Bulls improved FIRST, it would be our frontcourt, and the player i’d go after with reckless abondon is Amare Stoudimire. Damn Bosh, i like Chris an’ all, but i don’t think his play compliments Joakim’s energy and movement in the lowpost. Hell, i like Carlos Boozer more than Chris Bosh. He just doesn’t have that TOUGHNESS, IMO- that Amare and Boozer posess. But strengthening our frontcourt, to me, is a bit more important than our minor backcourt issues at the moment.

J.I.

by Jeye15 The Legend on Mar 29, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

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