Bosh story worrying...
by iBurkey on Mar 27, 2010 12:07 AM CDT
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PrintThis story is kind of worrying. It basically calls out Bosh for being overrated and a turnover machine, and wilting under pressure. It makes me wonder anew if Bosh is the guy for us. Or if we should go with a different big man. Thoughts, assaults, prognosis or analysis?
Amare, or David Lee, or some other big ? Or am I worrying needlessly, and Bosh will continue to grow and become our version of Alonzo ? And also, Tyrus is starting to suck in his new home, any thoughts on that?
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Bosh not quite ready?
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Well, seeing that the "story" was on Bleacher Report
let me respond with my own, since I have just as much credibility as the person who wrote that:
Chris Bosh is really good, and the Bulls need really good players. If there’s even a chance for them to get him, Garpax should immediately pull their collective heads out of Kirk Hinrich’s lap, hop onto the next flight to Toronto, go to his house with bags full of cash in the amount of whatever a max contract would be, and beg him to come to Chicago.
Neil takes the fun out of funk
by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 27, 2010 12:44 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I LIKE THE PART WHEN YOU SAID THEY SHOULD PULL THEIR HEADS OUT OF HINRICH'S LAP
I have been saying this all the time, the bulls management plays favorites to average or suck players, hinrich doesn’t suck but he is average and overpaid. The bulls only like to pay and keep average and suck players now because they know they will continue to sell out at games, even when the team is bad, unlike the knicks, nets or other teams.
why would knowing your going to sell out games
cause management to only keep average players? Overpaying for an average player doesn’t save them any money, it’s just a bad decision.
by In Walks Rudy on Mar 27, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
For one thing, and this is really neither here nor there,
“suck” isn’t an adjective.
Congratulations, by the way, on being the first person on this whole website to say that Hinrich is a. not very good and b. overpaid. You’re a trailblazer, my friend. You really blew the whole thing open, right there.
Will everyone stop hating on Deng, please?
by Chalkwhite on Mar 27, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It cracks me up how some bloggers try to get one up on another
Who cares about your credibility and where the “story” was read. The guy just put up his post and all you need to simply do is share your thoughts.
I dont mean to come off rude, this is a pretty good blog site, but its tarnished by so many bloggers out to prove they have more knowledge than others…who cares who got the story first, its not about you nor I, just share your thoughts about the game.
Isnt that what your doing right now?
but its tarnished by so many bloggers out to prove they have more knowledge than others
this is a blog where people share their opinions about basketball and everyone is entitilled to this opinion no matter how crazy it sounds.
I guess I was a bit harsh, I did have a few beers in me at the moment
I just really dislike Bleacher Report. People can write whatever the hell they want, I don’t consider my opinion better than anyone elses, except that it’s mine. Also, I’m not a blogger, just some guy posting on a blog.
Neil takes the fun out of funk
by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 27, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd still target Bosh
He might not be worth a max deal, but he’s pretty freaking close. And it’s going to take a max deal to get him. Amare is good, but he’s an idiot, and clearly playing for a contract. HIs defense will go back down to zero as soon as he’s paid.
“I’m getting more expensive by the game” – Amare
god, how i hope your stupid team gets fucked
year after year after year.
Amare is good, but he’s an idiot, and clearly playing for a contract. HIs defense will go back down to zero as soon as he’s paid.
"Let's do some living... after we die"
This is a simple case of local fans
under-evaluating their superstar players like Philly does Mcnabb. I’m sure Bears fans would have loved to have 11 years of number 5, instead of Orton / Grossman and whatever else we threw out at quarterback.
Raptors fans will be happy when he leaves and they go back to being cellar dwellers and Bosh is in Chicago.
Wade 2010!!!!!
Kind of like how Bulls fans overlook our star Kurt
by Sports2 on Mar 27, 2010 9:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
More like how some Bulls fans overlook Deng,
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Mar 27, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
But Deng has been a better
player than Hinrich
by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 29, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
How much better can you do than Bosh?
Most of the best players in the league are not going to leave their teams. Bosh is ranked 6th in PER this year. The only players ahead of him are Lebron, Wade, Durant, Chris Paul, and Duncan. Odds are that none of them are available.
Also, most players have a small window of time to perform at an elite level. Having Bosh under contract from ages 26-31 would be ideal. It’s rare to be able to grab a top 10-15 player at the peak of his career. I don’t see any downsides to getting Bosh. It’s the Bulls most realistic chance at making a drastic improvement this summer. Getting LeBron or Wade would be incredible, but it’s pretty unlikely. Bosh is a great player, fits relatively well with the current Bulls team, and he is dissatisfied with the Raptor, which means the Bulls actually have a shot.
by NPR1998 on Mar 27, 2010 12:11 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Chris Bosh is excellent...
he might not be up for the pressure, but i have no doubt that Rose will be by next year. Despite the Bulls awful play, I think this situation and the media’s portrayal of Bosh—I have seen similar articles to this elsewhere—gives the Bulls an interesting opportunity at Bosh. Obviously the Heat will get first swipe, but Bosh has the opportunity to come to a bigger market, with an excellent player willing to be ‘secondary,’ a defensive center who can hide some of his insufficiencies, as well as other role players (Deng, Taj, potentially JJ) who can make up for his defense and produce consistently.
I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite
by Super-Structure on Mar 27, 2010 12:15 PM CDT reply actions
if only bleacher report rhymed with 'poop'
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2010 12:50 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
lol
"I’m getting more expensive by the game" – Amare Stoudemire
by In Walks Rudy on Mar 28, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Bosh: 24 pts 11 rbs look good to me
Those are HOF numbers and much better than any other forward in the history of Chicago. He is not a high shot end, of the game beast but in a rounded team, he’ll defend and provide a very good scoring punch. If Deng deserves 12 mil, he deserves 17 mil.
If New York is out...
and the Clippers are out, does that leave only the Nets, Miami, Toronto and us vying for Bosh’s services? If so those are not so bad odds.
I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite
by Super-Structure on Mar 27, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
The whole story seems pretty odd to me
Even if NY didn’t like Bosh, why would they come out and say it like that? I don’t see how it helps their cause at all.
Neil takes the fun out of funk
by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 27, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
ok, if he wants to give the max to Joe Johnson instead
good for us.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
ive read that joe johnson is more-or-less a new york knick
feel fine with that
People have said the same things about Kevin Garnett.
Bosh and Garnett are not finishers. If you think back to Bostons’ championship a few years back, it was Paul Pierce who made all the end of game shots and won the playoff MVP. Garnett provided the defensive presence and the steady play.
I think the Bulls have their finisher in Derrick Rose. So Bosh will be a good fit for them.
by VaderMaul on Mar 27, 2010 11:14 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Bosh and Garnett are not finishers?
Bosh and Garnett have different game, Garnett more defensive minded with a good midrange game and Bosh is more of a slasher and gets to the line more and doesnt play very good defence.
He plays decent defense
Reference: Olympics. The problem for him is that he looks especially bad next to Bargnani, who is a nonexistent interior defense presence and Calderon, who is a putrid perimeter defender. At worst, he’s an above average defender.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
i could see that being true....ive always felt fromt watching
that playing bargnani is a good reason they’re just abysmal on D
Bosh doesn't have a good midrange game?
Alrighty then.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 28, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
if i were a gm i would hope everyone takes this junk seriously.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
yep, it's a total joke
people will bash him right up until he signs somewhere, then it’l be nothing but praise.
"I’m getting more expensive by the game" – Amare Stoudemire
by In Walks Rudy on Mar 28, 2010 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Bleacher report is pure garbage
The horrifically awful level of writing in the articles should make that apparent before one even considers the content.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Bosh is priority one as far as free agents are concerned for Chicago
And ranked ahead of Wade only because of Wade’s age and the possibility he might decline severely at the tail end of his contract.
(Assuming naturally that LeBron isn’t available for Chicago)
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
I cant lie, Bosh is overated to me
but compared to what we got and whats on the market to get, he’s the best. Which says alot about the level of talent in the NBA nowadays
It's never been higher since the mid 90s?
You’re right, we need to go back to the days when Juwan Howard got a 120 million dollar contract. Those players earned that cash money.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 28, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Long term thinking
I don’t think Bosh is worth a max deal. I think max deals should go to the top players in the NBA (i.e., Kobe, Lebron and Wade— everyone else is in another tier). Bosh has amazing stats and is one of the best PFs. No question he’s a great player, but hardly the best. His teams all suck. Wade’s team sucks, too, but they make the playoffs. Anyway, most people on here disagree with me and I’m sure a number of GMs do, too.
Let’s say the Bulls give Bosh a max deal. What happens when Rose’s deal is up? Is he not a max player? Maybe not today, but project ahead to his extension. Can the Bulls sustain a team with 2 players on max deals?
I'm not saying "Don't get Bosh"
I’m genuinely asking whether a team can pay 2 guys at the max and still be good. Have any teams won the championship with 2 max guys? I don’t know.
Paul pierce, Kevin Garnett, and Ray Allen all had hover than maximum salaries 2 years ago so yes.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Mar 28, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
ouch
you swiftly and totally undercut his entire odd argument :-)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 28, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, plus is not max contracts that kills a team
it is bad contracts. Even the lakers have those (5 years for Luke Walton? Someone was really high to sign this)
by JustAnotherFan on Apr 1, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Let me put it this way
If there was no salary cap and salaries were determined by the market like in baseball), bosh would get even more than the max. So in that sense, there’s no question that bosh is worth at least the max. And to answer your other questions, rose will likely be a max player in a couple years (although he might take a discount) and yes we can sustain a team with two max players under the current NBA cba. If we go to a hard cap though we migh have a problem. But I’d cross that bridge when we get to it and not before.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Mar 28, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, do you really think Rose would take a discount?
That would be awesome, but I’m not sure.
Bosh or Bust
by JockstrapNoah on Mar 28, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Along those same lines
If Reinsdorf is content to use Derrick as a profit machine then I really hope he doesn’t take a discount. If he took a discount and then the Bulls went over the cap with the intention of paying for an awesome team, then thats a different story.
Bosh or Bust
by JockstrapNoah on Mar 28, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
hes young enough to do so
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Mar 28, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
huh?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 28, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
hmm shouldve completed my though
meaning he could take a discount for this contract, because he would definetly still be in his prime for his next contract….
its a bad example maybe but consider hinrich, he came into the league at 22, got his new contract at 25 (i believe) he needed the biggest contract he could get long term (which is what he got) because when his contract runs out he will be near the end of his prime and no fool (except pax-dorf) will offer him a large lengthy contract.
For rose however, he can take a discount contract, say 5 years with a player option now, and in five years he would be 27, so just entering his prime, and he can take a max 6 year contract, which would last him through his prime just to the end of it…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Mar 29, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
he could get on Jay Williams motorcycle too
players have to know that they need to maximize earnings ASAP. You’re retired by 35 even in best case scenarios, and if you want to keep up with Antoine Walker at the casinos you have to have the warchest.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
good point...
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Mar 29, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha ha ha
Antoine Walker and Jay Williams in the same post. Talk about your cautionary tales.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
if they even asked Rose to take a discount we should be embarrased.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 28, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
He wouldn't be the first athlete to sign for less than market value to play for his hometown team.
Players also take less-than-market-value deals to play for contenders, which hopefully the Bulls will be in a couple years. Gilbert Arenas resigned with the Wizards for less than the full max (which they were offering), and Tim Duncan did something similar with the Spurs.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Mar 29, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm from southern Ohio
and my experience with the home town discount is colored by the Reds time with “Ken Griffey Jr.”. It didn’t work out so great, and I think part of that is because he felt he was entitled more respect because he was doing his job for less than he deserved. When Cincy didn’t give him that respect things went south real quick.
I want players to get as much as they can, partly because if they feel taken advantage of, they are going to perform worse. Partly also because there is so much money to be made out there that I feel like the players should get most of it.
Bosh or Bust
by JockstrapNoah on Mar 29, 2010 2:29 AM CDT up reply actions
It didn't work out because he was hurt
And the team was run by people who had no idea what they were doing.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 29, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I think a better way to put it is this
You can’t say that only players like LeBron deserve the max because if there was no max then LeBron would maybe get twice the max.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 28, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe even more than that.
Considering that the New York Knicks threw $130 million at this pile of garbage .
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Mar 29, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions
they absolutely CAN sustain it
would they, who knows. The current stated philosophy (warning, could be all bullshit!) is that they’d go into the luxury tax for a winner. How much they have to win before that threshold is reached is indeterminable.
Say they get Bosh, they’ll be very good next season. Not title-winning, but far better than now. Noah’s up for an extension first, so that will tell you before Rose is up how serious the Bulls are about keeping yet another ‘core’ together. If they start crying poor with Noah and then Rose the next season, we’re not going to win regardless of any personnel decisions. I don’t think they would, but who knows with this leadership.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 28, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
DIFFERNET TIMES
Sometimes you have to take what you can get and right now, who ever the bulls get in the offseason is better than most of the players on the team right now.
apology not accepted.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 28, 2010 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
DIFFERNET
should be a word anyways. It will be soon.
Bosh or Bust
by JockstrapNoah on Mar 29, 2010 2:32 AM CDT up reply actions
d'oh
I guess this is all for naught:
Bosh is clearly not a max player and probably not enough to put the Bulls into championship contention as both Dwight Howard and LeBron James are young and are in position to win for years.
See ya in 2020, Bulls!
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