Heat 103, Bulls 74: Turned into a national joke
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 25, 2010 11:54 PM CDT
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Print| Pace | Eff | eFG | FT/FG | OREB% | TOr | |
| Miami | 89.0 | 115.7 | 53.8% | 22.8 | 23.7 | 10.1 |
| Chicago | 83.1 | 35.4% | 19.5 | 26.5 | 13.5 |
Fitting that this was the game TNT decided to take the Ernie/Kenny/Chuck show on the road. A group whose analysis isn't meant to be taken too seriously sent to cover a game that was a complete joke. One drawback for me being that in a second half I'd usually be firmly in fast-forward, I wound up watching most of the debacle just to hear what they'd say next. Mostly they just said the game was terrible. Oh, and Chuck's grandma used WD-40 on him as a kid to loosen his knees and ankles.
I know that following this uninspiring bunch all water-treading season doesn't raise the highest of expectations, but I'm honestly completely shocked at this result. The Bulls (outside of when everyone was hurt) usually at the very least stay competitive against non-elite teams, as one of VDN's strengths (and a roster of 'good guys') is that they try hard nightly. Plus being at home, and with few days rest...and again: I'm can't things turned out this poorly tonight.
Maybe it's a case of the Bulls usually exceeding the effort of opponents who may be bored or tired, and this Heat team tonight came ready. They jumped all over the Bulls from the start, and were able to pound the ball in to Jermaine O'Neal while the defense focused more on Wade. When they tired of that, it was Quentin Richardson's turn to destroy Flip Murray on the block. Not just the finishes off of post ups, but they were hitting cutters, open three-pointers, the Bulls were simultaneously carved up and overpowered. The absence of Luol once again forcing 3-guard lineups in, and while one alternative is more Hakim Warrick at the 3, I'm not sure that'd be any better.
Meanwhile, on the other end, the Bulls had their usual bad offense, and even Derrick Rose struggled, displaying impressive moves but rarely finishing (the Yahoo box score had his shot blocked 4 times) and nobody else being able to help. A 19 point first quarter followed by 14 point second. Shooting under 28% for the first half while the Heat were over 60%. The worst home halftime deficit since 1980, and the game was already over.
Again, the only entertainment came from the fact that at least a joke game took the pressure off of the TNT crew to actually call it. So when Kenny Smith wondered in the 4th why Jannero Pargo hadn't come in earlier, instead of calling out how the analyst somehow missed Pargo's 7 first-half minutes, and how nobody should wish Pargo is in at all in the first place, one couldn't help but laugh with him, and at the Bulls.
Nets on Saturday, which is an obvious must-win. Though I suppose tonight was as well. It does now mean they have to get more wins that won't be expected on the remaining schedule, as this looked like one they'd take. I certainly didn't expect this. Flush the result, a loss is a loss, blowouts happen, yeah...but still: ouch.
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The things that scares me most about this one
is that when the Bulls play this badly ( at least they don’t always play this badly) it makes you wonder how much anyone (James, Wade, Bosh…) could help. Granted, Luol is out and Noah was in for only a few minutes, but nonetheless…Besides Rose, Deng, Noah & Taj, who’s worth keeping around next year?
hard pail lunch hat
I would keep Pargo, especially for a mil
He’s a spark plug off the bench!
by LoveForTheGame on Mar 26, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I only saw the 2nd quarter
where Pargo play a ton of minutes. That I had to turn it off or either I or the TV set would be flying out of the window
by JustAnotherFan on Mar 26, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The guys were simply
PATHETIC – Rookies/Sophomores/Expiring free agents/ srubs letting pressure get to them and just completely sucking at the highest level from all areas of the game,,,,
I thought Noah was laboring again.
I just thought this was EPIC. A game like this that kinda got really hyped up and you do that?I felt like it showed how far away the Bulls are to being worthy of any praise. They looked nervous out there. Miami had something to prove to Barley as well. The Bulls didn’t look ready at all. They turned the ball over in on the tip. Classic.
VDN… what more can you say? The game started to slip away from the Bulls and who does he put into the lineup after a fucking timeout? CHRIS RICHARDS who at one point looked like a statue.
Then he rested Rose for nearly the entire 2nd quarter and who does he bring in now? FUCKING ACIE LAW? He doesn’t play him since the Dallas game and what the fuck?
That was just the worst defensive effort I have seen. Again this was EPIC. Worst Bulls loss I have ever seen. Next to the game in Minny right before Tim Floyd got fired.
The TNT was saying so many good things about the Bulls and their bright future. Just a nightmare on so many levels.
I can’t try to down play this. Season is over. Just start rebuilding now and fire VDN get it over with.
Luol Deng 24 going on 54.
by SoulEater7 on Mar 26, 2010 12:28 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't get the early use of Chris Richard either
just suck it up and try Taj-Warrick in the frontcourt. Richard wasn’t going to do anything against JON
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 26, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Richards is Noah's hype guy
ala Flaaavvvvor Flav, the midget from Jackass and Spiff from Flipmode. Vinny simply used it as a Noah motivator hoping that his hype-ness would generate Noahtastic basketball. It failed tho
Oh.. I think my biggest boiling point came when... Q out rebounded two Bulls.
I mean they just stood around all night… there wasn’t any like fight in the Bulls. JO, Wade, Q just beat the fuck out of them. Way out coached as well.
Luol Deng 24 going on 54.
yea
thank god….or else this couldve been even worse!
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Mar 26, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
at least rose didnt take too many 3s. so vinny achieved something tonight.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
by TheMoon on Mar 26, 2010 12:37 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
If TNT had any brains at all they would have done this game at like Golden State.
Great crowd, fast fun basketball no defense. Perfect place. I swear the United Center crowd was like typical quite and sleepy. There wasn’t even like a rally cheer. It felt like a Cubs playoff game.
Luol Deng 24 going on 54.
by SoulEater7 on Mar 26, 2010 12:38 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I went to one white sox game with my gf last year...
against the Indians on a Friday night. Beautiful night.. fireworks after. The game was absolute shit. Whitesox got shut out and it was the most boring time of my life. It was like sitting at the DMV.
Luol Deng 24 going on 54.
The main reason why the Bulls are hard to watch
is because I keep getting reminded that we could have gotten expirings for Hinrich during the trade deadline. He is such a shitty player and I don’t want to watch this guy anymore.
Besides that, I really don’t care about the losses at this point. The Bulls are not at full health. This is not our team. A bunch of crappy, gritty, expiring contracts are playing. What should we expect? Plus, we got VDN at the helm. This was a lost season as soon as Noah got hurt. I don’t really mind the deadline deals we made because it didn’t really effect anything for next years team (besides the swapping of the our first round pick to the Bucks). Tyrus was not coming back and Salmons is a fluke. Lets just fast forwards to this summer, get our main guys healthy, and fire Vinny.
I would rest Noah for the rest of the season. He is not at full strength. Hopefully we can still get Bosh this summer and he doesn’t appear to happy with the Raptors, anyways. I would also be happy with Amare. There are pieces on this team that ALL teams in this league would want: Rose, Noah, Deng, and Taj. They are all relatively young (except for Taj haha). There is a future for this team, no doubt. Management has got there hands full this summer and they better get this team on track, otherwise there will be a lot of unhappy fans.
by LoveForTheGame on Mar 26, 2010 12:42 AM CDT reply actions
Seeing Taj really playing hard
was particularly jarring compared to the stamp that all of the other Bulls put on the game by the 2nd quarter. I know everyone hates his hard hat, but I did enjoy seeing him go after boards (after yet another brick thrown up by Hinrich or layup missed by Rose).
Still, though, this shouldn’t be too much of a back-breaker. If we beat Jersey and the Raptors get tossed by the Nuggets in Denver (both of which should happen), then this weekend we play the Pistons while the Raptors play the Heat. Those games go our way, and we’ll be right back in it. I’m with yfbb, though: this one hurt.
Will everyone stop hating on Deng, please?
if only taj could have put that effort into his defense the bulls would have lost by a mere 25 points.
seriously, he was awful tonight.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
I wish there were better defensive metrics so I could have stronger evidence to say that you're wrong.
As it is, I’ll just have to go to the box score. When the starters were on the floor, Taj drew Beasley, who got 15 points but shot 7-15. Jermaine O’Neal was doing work against Miller, which is why he got 24 on 9-14 shooting. Taj led the game in rebounding with ten. This is despite the fact that he’s obviously not comfortable at the stage in his career guarding a perimeter-oriented big man like Beasley.
If you have evidence to support his being awful, I’d like to see it. But it seemed to me that the defensive assignments that killed us were Miller on O’Neal and Flip on Q. Plus, you know, the fact that our offensive could best be illustrated by Pargo taking a dump at the three point line.
Will everyone stop hating on Deng, please?
Miller was pretty terrible
His failure to rotate as the weak-side help killed us. Then again, he’s probably not good enough to do much in that capacity anyways.
Brad Miller is god.
Yeah
for a moment I thought I was watching Aaron Gray
by JustAnotherFan on Mar 26, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions
beasley's jumper was bad tonight, which is why he shot 3-9 on them.
but he made up for it by getting 9 points on his five inside shots. this came from the pick and roll, where taj, like every other bulls big, was awful tonight. the problem was they didnt show hard enough on the picks, which meant they werent guarding their man, and they werent getting in the way of the guards’ passing lanes either. thats one of the reasons why so many big guys got layups tonight. the Q thing is vinnys fault. but all flip could try to do is force Q to turn baseline and wait for help. it didnt come. that is brad and tajs’ fault. that play where arroyo spun toward baseline around rose and got an easy bucket. where was the helpside D? the closest helper was taj, who did not help at all. so yeah, rebounding is cool, but taj looked like crap just like everyone else.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Those are fair points,
and I’m not suggested we induct him to the Hall of Fame on the basis of this performance. However, I do think he had a better game than the rest of the team. I would blame some of the instances of him being out of position on the stellar strategy of doubling Wade right down the floor- even when Taj wasn’t the second man coming over, he still had more ground to cover than he would have otherwise. I remember that Arroyo play, and thinking, where the hell was the help defense? But I think that may have been our fearless leader’s defense strategy more than Taj’s individual failings.
Will everyone stop hating on Deng, please?
Once again TheMoon, it seems the kool aide drinkers have determined that trying really, really hard is more important than acheiving results.
Taj always gives maximum effort but consistently gets burned by whoever he is guarding. Beasly constantly had him biting on fakes scoring 15 points in 20 minutes and Haslam (14 points) got whatever shot he wanted when Taj kept losing him in screens. And how effective was his help defense? I don’t know what the final numbers were, but the Heat had a whole bunch of points in the paint while he was defending. I realize his (-27) was better than Kirk and Rose (-32) and (-33) but some of their failure rests on the inability of our front line to provide many effective stops .
Yet people still view him through, pardon the expression (rose colored glasses) primarily because his name isn’t Tyrus. Yes he hustles, yes he gives 100% effort, but it doesn’t change the fact that on most nights, he is an overall liability on defense. Please if you DVR’d this game, review his performance or any game when he faces an above average opponent and then tell me what a positive force he is.
Taj did grab 10 boards but 3 came off missed free throws while RIchard snagged 8 in 19 minutes but also was a defensive liability in spite of his best efforts. If the Bulls don’t get a huge upgrade next season at the 4, their future will remain one of mediocrity. Taj neither deserves heavy criticism or undue praise. He should be and likely will remain a solid bench player who can provide useful minutes to provide a breather for a more talented teamate once the Bulls, like a recovering alcoholic, admit they have a problem at the power forward position and get help.
By the way his PER is 13.4 while the stumblebum he replaced, Tyrus Thomas’s is 17. Meanwhile back in Milwaukee, Salmon’s Simple Rating is a team leading +10.4 since joining the Bucks while his counterpart Flip Murray stands at -8.2 since joining the Bulls and demonstrating what being overmatched night after night looks like. It is not a pretty picture, but you can always count on him to hit a meaningless 3 when the game is out of reach after throwing up 5 or 6 clunkers in a row. Just thought some Babr’s might find this interesting while others get their shorts in a wad because some of us just don’t seem to want to let go.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 26, 2010 3:05 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, you must wear a tin foil hat to bed.
You really think this is STILL about TT? I watched the Bulls tonight against the Heat, and then wrote what my impressions were. You can say that I was wrong (and TheMoon up there made some good points about help defense), but attributing motives to me (specifically, that I like Taj because he isn’t Thomas), is, ironically, the same thing that you always yell at TT haters about. If I were to say, “I don’t like Thomas because he’s not a team player and he wasn’t a smart defender,” you would reply, “You can’t know those things! You can only know what is statistically proven!” Which, by the way, is a solid argument. So how can you say “You only (or, in your words, ‘primarily’) like Taj because he isn’t Thomas!” without expecting me to reply, “You can’t know that! You can only know what I post!”
I understand that you haven’t gotten over Thomas’ departure, and I accept that. Can you accept that some of us actually have?
Will everyone stop hating on Deng, please?
by Chalkwhite on Mar 26, 2010 3:42 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Dear Tyrusmancrush,
Thanks, your awareness campaign is finally reaching me….but I’m still afraid to go too far down the rabbit hole! I guess deep down, I’m afraid of discovering the truth about the nature of reality and the significance of Tyrus’ PER. Part of me thinks that even Tyrus couldn’t single-handledly transform the painted area into an impenetrable fortress, and that in the long run the Bulls trades will pay off (or that even if they don’t it was still the wise choice), and that Salmons is a streaky player who won’t sustain his production beyond this season, but…maybe that’s some lingering effect of the kool-aid? It’s like every time I’m watching a game and feeling critical of the Bulls Org, suddenly Taj makes a hustle play and I hear Stacy King’s praise for him…and it’s like I’ve been dosed! (Sigh) I want to break free from the shackles of Taj-love, but need more intensive deprogramming. What am I to do? Will you be my Morhpeus?
Yours in distress,
Trapped in the Taj-Matrix
hard pail lunch hat
by headphones on Mar 26, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
We can all jump in
the Tyrus Hot Tub Time Machine
by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 26, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
So in summary...
You think TT is better than Taj. I had no idea, thanks for telling us.
And salmons had played amazingly since the trade and flip’s been crap. I don’t think anyone ever doubted this.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Mar 26, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
by the way, did you see that charlotte-minnesota game?
the cats went on this amazing run the the 3rd quarter where tyrus, wallace and jackson absolutely destroyed minnesota. charlotte is often a very boring team but this quarter was all about athletes killing it defensively and getting out on the break. it was so easy for them, i would bet they had 10-15 layups/dunks IN THAT QUARTER. ive never seen anything quite like it.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Completely agree about Taj
I used to make fun of him earlier this season because of his age (still do, I guess). He is has been productive this whole season and always plays hard. But he is ONLY a rookie, even though he is like 28. He still has a lot of time to grow as a player through experience. He may never be a great NBA starter in this league, but he would be a “great” third big off the bench. Honestly, I am excited to see his development next season. I hope he can add a little more “bulk” this summer.
by LoveForTheGame on Mar 26, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
don't stomp on the comedy bits.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 26, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought he was the same age as Lindsay hunter?
Maybe he’s older. Taj … when was the Taj Mahal erected? If yout take the time the Taj Mahal was erected 1653 and divide how old it is from how old The Rise of Taj is [2010-2006=4], you get that Taj is 307/4=76.75 years old, which helps explain his cerebral understanding of the game, as well as his cerebral understanding of being generally less athletic than you’d like.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
by Prevenge on Mar 26, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well it was ugly, that's for sure
But the Bulls are not this bad. You’re never as bad as you are during your worst performance, and you’re never as good as you are during your best performance. This is a team that managed to beat the best team in the NBA earlier in the year. This was a stinker, and a pretty big stinker, but we still got a shot at the playoffs. The margin of error just shrank a lot though.
Brad Miller is god.
a reoccuring theme!
To be honest, I was still surprised to see you were disappointed YFFB.
Anyways, no one on our team can protect the paint except Noah and occasionally Taj. I wish we had the necessary guys to protect the paint and alter shots. Not to mention a good defender at the two or three with above average offense. Oh well, at least we have Flip and Warrick to lead us to our wonderful offseason plan !
I don't even know why I'm disappointed
When the Bulls can’t score at least they still got their defense, but tonight, the defense fell asleep. Everybody looked bad, absolutely nothing redeeming about this game. I knew the Bulls wouldn’t make the playoff this year since Noah went down anyway, they should just let him rest.
"You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless! You gotta hope even more, and cover your ears and go 'bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla!'"
I knew we were screwed as soon as yfbb said he was excited on the game thread
But really, it has been quite a while since we played so poorly with Rose and Noah available.
Although, I guess Noah wasn’t really available. If he’s really over the foot problem and didn’t get to come in until after Chris Richard, while we were getting beasted on up front, then Vinny needs a big kick in the nuts.
by Sports2 on Mar 26, 2010 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
I knew we were screwed as soon as yfbb said he was excited on the game thread
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Mar 26, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I was there
what a shit show
Legacy of KA(i)NE
by Kaner's Revenge on Mar 26, 2010 2:09 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Um...
Evan Turner is the leading vote getter..
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
I rather have Turner myself. Wall seems like a skinnier D-Rose with more of an attitude
That said we have 0.000001% of getting them.
eh, i expected a "split" between houston and miami
it’s what they got.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
It's true that a loss isn't the end of the playoffs world
But I doubt you expected the Bulls to lose in such spectacular fashion that it could have resonating effects as far as their much more important long term goals.
It’s games like this stinker that could prevent one of the big three from wanting to come here.
by RogersPark Kris on Mar 26, 2010 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think any of them will come to Chicago anyway.
I think the front-office jokery is a bigger deal than the nearly zero-talk it gets around here.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
i wonder....
it seems like a fair number of writers/analysts (chad ford types) see the bulls as one of the more probable FA destinations. now these guys are wrong all the time, and the bulls probably wont get any of the 3 (thats just my opinion). but these writers know a lot of people around the league, and i doubt their predictions on this issue would be nearly as sanguine for the bulls if they felt the bulls FO was a huge joke. as much as we destroy them here (and they deserve it) you might need to do more than they have to stand out as a joke in the nba.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Do you see
the Knicks getting any of the top 3 FA
by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 26, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
not to get all david thorpe on you, but: no.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
That my
friend was an outstanding answer, because I hear people pump up the Knicks as the #1 2010 destination, I wouldn’t be too excited to play w/ Galinari and Wilson Chandler.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 26, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
hey dont sell gallo short. hes really good, he just plays poorly against the
bulls for some reason. i like him a lot. that shootout he had last sunday against melo was very fun to watch.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Bulls games are a circus, and I think with the playoffs on the line, fans cheering louder for 100-points & Big Macs than good plays makes the Bulls players feel like circus freaks
by KentuckyBullsFan on Mar 26, 2010 8:06 AM CDT reply actions
NEED BETTER PLAYERS
The bulls management shouldn’t resign none of the players that contract expires after this season. The bulls need more players that can score, the only player that can score is rose. I think the bulls should go after joe johnson this offseason because he can shoot and post up smaller guards. I think chris bosh would make the bulls still to small down low, the bulls need a real center or a tall big body down low that can rebound and block shots. The bulls should look for one in the draft because that center that suppose to come play for the bulls next year that trade for in the second round a couple of years ago is still to thin and will get bang up down low.
Get rid of
a certain player under contract, Kirk Hinrich, our beloved glue, well below average NBA 2G, and shutdown defensive and offensive player.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 26, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I like Kirk. but
If we can get a better offensive player than Im fine with getting rid of him. But I want Pargo gone in at all costs
i hate to admit it
im on the same boat, in terms of hinrich, i’d love for him to stay on the team, but damn we need a real sg, not a backup pg playing sg, no matter how much of a combo guard he is, he just doesnt have the needed offensive mindset to be starting for this team. Maybe if we do get bosh and luol is healthy, and kirk does start shooting over 40% from 3pt line…then its fine, but as it stands right now, he needs to go in order for this team to grow..
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Mar 26, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I gave on basketball after butler killed my dreams and the bulls were down 30
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Mar 26, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was a great game
Jordan Crawford looks pretty good. He’s the same guy that dunked on Lebron last summer when Nike confiscated the tapes.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Bosh
Percentage chance we scoop him? 45. He’s the guy. I disagree that we need a “real” center. Noah is NOT a PF and Bosh isn’t a C. They can stay at their natural positions and the complement of Bosh’s offense with Noah’s defense seems to me would work well. Start with Rose, Deng, Noah and Bosh and hope that we can get a nice older shooting guard to provide some veteran leadership in future years.
There aren't any "real" centers left anyway.
But we NEED Bosh he and Rose would be perfect for each other.
i dont know how bosh and rose would work per se
i do know that bosh and noah would be a perfect fit together, rose is just the force that is icing on the cake…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Mar 26, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I think they should be taken seriously with the teams they actually watch you can tell who Chuck and Kenny don’t watch.
I don’t see how everyone is still disappointed didn’t everyone agree this is how this season was going to go. Last season was a roller coaster but we kept the bad from that season and only little good letting go of the player that led us to the playoffs in the first place.
I cheer for the players management obviously doesn’t give a damn and we’ve seen signs of this long ago. Theres no way I’m going to the UC when they haven’t even put the best team they could on the court. I just don’t feel good about this next FA I don’t think you give up on a season you should always be aggressive like the Hawks. They’ve been building not holding grudges or dodging contracts and making sure the media in their area are borderline boosters.
That = L
don’t win too many games when the leading scorer puts up 14, and once again, Rose needs HELP!!!!!
by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 26, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Michael Jordan is rolling over in his grave…Scottie Pippen is rolling over in his grave…and they aren’t even dead yet…
by Tucson_AZ_Bulls_Fan on Mar 26, 2010 11:11 AM CDT reply actions
Bill Cartwright
is rolling over in his grave
by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 26, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
My cousins theory
was that it had to do with all the media attention the bulls were getting, just like last year in the playoffs when we were doing a good job of beating up on bostong, we came home and dropped a stinker at home, mainly because of all the positive media attention we were getting being back in chicago. The bulls for some reason always need to have the pressure against them to do well…that….sucks!!
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Imo anyone that thinks last night's game had fre agency implications is wrong
but I also never really thought we had a chance at landing Wade or Lebron anyway. If Wade was thinking about coming here (which I doubt) I suppose that suckfest could have changed his perspective a little.
For all the other guys (Bosh, Boozer, Stoudemire etc.) I’m sure it doesn’t matter. It’s not like the other teams with capspace are setting the world on fire, and not EVERYONE can go to Miami. To me, our best hope was, and still is, getting one of Boozer, Stoudemire, Bosh (not in that order) and that hasn’t changed. At the end of the year, if we have the money, they’ll take it, even if Charles Barkley didn’t like our pizza.
The reason this game hurt so much to me is just the punch in the gut fashion in which it happened. I envisioned a lot of scenarios for last night’s game and NONE came out like that. That one should’ve counted for two losses. It just kinda reaffirmed everything I already knew, but wanted to forget I knew, the most important being, the Bulls are not making the playoffs.
Neil takes the fun out of funk
yeah I don't think it matters for 2010 either
The overall SEASON performance may matter, but you’re right this one game doesn’t change much either way.
It does make it clearer they should’ve dumped Hinrich so they could have more of a patchwork offseason, the extra space could come in handy if no one big FA is coming.
Really it’s all up to FA’s whims, Bulls set themselves up to lower costs, if a FA comes it’s luck not planning.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 26, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly....they've gone from having "good" assets to needing luck to get a "better" asset
When they should have leveraged the “good” assets to get the “better” ones. Jeez…. I guess it really does take discipline to keep your eye on the dollar… I mean ball.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
Bulls management
got lost in the eyes of Kirk Hinrich, he should’ve been dumped for expirings, Tyrus rights could always be renounced at the end of the season, and Salmons might have opted out, giving the Bulls more cap space, or Salmons would’ve came back at $5.8 mill I think, so it still would’ve worked out even better for the Bulls, than keeping the Craptain.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 26, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Well...
I guess its time to “SHUT DOWN THE CARTER” on Kirk.
sorry I had a chance to use that line and I borrowed it. lol
Lol, use it as many times as
you like.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 26, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea, it's become pretty apparent that if they could have traded Hinrich
and chose not to they made a huge mistake. After we traded Salmons and kept Kirk, I was one of the people that kinda defended it. Thinking that, while he is overpaid, he does somewhat help our team. Using our record with/without him as an indicator. But while he might make us marginally better right now, he REALLY needed to go for a bunch of reasons and that’s become painfully obvious.
Neil takes the fun out of funk
by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 26, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Well it's not just that Salmons might be better than Hinrich
It’s that Salmons might’ve (and probably would’ve) opted out anyways, clearing almost enough cap space for 2 max players. While we couldn’t have held onto both (because then if Salmons opted in we’d be completely screwed), but if we were gonna keep one, it might as well have been the guy who might have left anyways.
Brad Miller is god.
And also, trading both would've also been a mistake.
As bad a team as we’ve been since the trades, we’d have been even worse without Kirk.
Brad Miller is god.
and?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 26, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly, it looks like being "even worse" would actually be a positive
Neil takes the fun out of funk
by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 26, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
YFB comes with a good post
This team is garbage. When are we going to say that VDN or Hinrich is the cause.
This team started going down hill from the moment Ben Wallace gave up on the team and turned the team around.
We have been living with this garbage team for four years now. We sign a one dimensional player for 4 years 60 mil. Who does that? unless a player is putting up 20 plus points who does that?
I have no problem letting go of VDN, or Hinrich. The problem is that will not solve our problems. i think the bulls will take another few years to get it right and just build around noah and rose. My biggest fear is that they are going to overpay another second rate player the max and we will have to sit through another four years of semi re building.
i say we tank and hope to get a top ten pick? what you think
Bulls NBA Contenders By 2010
When are we going to say that VDN or Hinrich is the cause.
are u new?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Mar 26, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought you left?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 26, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
If the Bulls get a top ten pick:
The Bucks reserve the right to take it from them…… That was one of the conditions of the Salmons trade! Very smart Huh????
You're right!!!!!
The Chicago Bulls made it official on Thursday by announcing they have traded John Salmons to the Milwaukee Bucks for the expiring contracts of Hakim Warrick and Joe Alexander.
The Bucks also have the option of switching first-round picks in this year’s draft, provided the Bulls’ pick isn’t in the top 10. The Bulls added second-round draft choices in 2011 and 2012.
So the Bulls threw away 2 second round picks and possibly forfeited a 1st round pick (barring it’s not a top ten pick) in order to move Salmons. They still have Kirk, and unless they can get a top ten pick, they’re possibly without an impact player….. No F.A. is coming to the Chi!!!!!
They have the option of switching picks
They aren’t possibly forfeiting the pick. The pick will just be lower like 18 or so.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
I mainly kept watching
To see what other kind of compliments they could have made up regarding Joakim.
It was a lot
of Joakim love from the TNT broadcast, but at least it wasn’t on the Bret Farve-John Madden level.
Barkley loves Joakim, Manu, D Wade
by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 26, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't get home until the end of the 3rd quarter
By that time it wasn’t worth watching so I watched the NCAA tournament instead. I’m honestly not surprised that they laid an egg on national tv. It’s certainly not the first time. Luckily, Toronto has 3 more games in a row that I think they will lose and the Bulls have two bad teams in a row in NJ and Detroit (although neither is a given with the Bulls). If I had to put money on it, I would say the Bulls make it interesting for the 8th spot but wind up falling short in the end.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
That Detroit game on the second night of a back to back (early start, I think)
looks like a big time L to me now. I was kinda worried about that game before, but now it looks even worse.
Neil takes the fun out of funk
by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 26, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Los Bulls? Nah, more like LOST Bulls!
This marks the second TNT Broadcasted game in two months, (the 30pt. blow-out by the Magic- ANOTHER Flordia team!)- where the Bulls showed the entire world why we SUCK this season. I really hope that Bulls management, and the front office saw that monstrosity of a game last night. I was embarassed to be a Bulls fan last night, and that’s saying a lot for me- because i’ve been a true Bulls fan in our worst of times. But to hear Chuck, Kenny, & EJ clown my beloved team the entire game last night took it’s toll on ya boy! That @ss-whoopin’ did not make me hopeful for the next season either. What All-Star caliber player will want to come be apart of an organization like the Bulls?? They forced “the Greatest” into retirement, they would not resign “the Greatest Coach”- which disbanded “the Greatest Team” in NBA history, and CHOSE the famine of this ball club that we the fans, have been forced to deal with for the last 12 years! And to make matters worst- we’ve got an unproven coach, whose coaching staff consists of other LOSER coaches! We need a serious overhaul! Rebuild the team with D-Rose, Joakim, and Taj. I love Luol, but it just ain’t workin’ out no more dogg. Capt. Kirk, you gave it you’re best- thank you, but DEUCES! Brad Miller is no longer a starter in this league. Pargo hasn’t showed me ANYTHING that made the Bulls keep him around another season. I’d like to see what Hakim Warrick could bring to the table under a better coach, and i like Flip off the bench. That’s where the line is drawn for me. Fire Vinny immediately after the season is over, and prove to us the fans, that this franchise is commited to winning again by going hard for the right players to help bring success back to the City of Champions (as dubbed by MJ)!
J.I.
by Jeye15 The Legend on Mar 26, 2010 2:56 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I wish this guy
was doing sports radio in Chicago, I would love for him to just kill the Bulls today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3xy-FMa2gM
Need to rant...
(1) 1st game that ive ever watched as a Bulls fan..that’s on Nat. TV that I couldnt stomach thru
(2) Rose looked horrible..like he tried to do too much to impress wade but instead created the opposite effect
© Ernie was heated…at the jokes during 1/2 time…highlight for me..never seen him that red
(d) I think ive lost all hope for this season
THE BULLS STILL CAN GET RID OF HINRICH IN THE OFFSEASON
The bulls can trade him for a player in the draft and another player on another team to balance out his contract. If i was the bulls i would even consider giving up this years draft pick and him to trade for a player that either can score or for an expire contract. The bulls should had rid their selves of hinrich last offseason when they decided to get rid of ben gordon, instead of him.
Its too late
Let it go….We have to accept it , Players have to accept , Management have accepted it. Kirk will be playing for the bulls untill his contract expires! Sorry if i had to break it out like this but your going to have to accept it aswell.
carmelo hits a jumper at the last second!
saves the Bulls season!
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 26, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
NO PLAYOFFS FOR THE BULLS
The bulls may have lost james johnson for saturdays game and probably will start flip murray in his place. The bulls have to many injuries to overcome and not enough talent also to help rose. Sorry, but that’s the truth and i’m a bulls fan and i’m realize the bulls won’t make to the playoffs this year, so all other bulls fan must accept it as well.
The only way you can make a team pay attention to it's fans.....
You have to hurt their pockets! Ownership won’t spend a dime to make the Bulls winners, because if the seats aren’t filled up now, then chances are they won’t be filled up when a big name with a huge contract arrives. Ownership wants players who come in and play so fans will come and spend money. The Bulls had good enough teams that could’ve gone very far by now with Skiles, but the front office destroyed that as quickly as they had assembled it. Now why would you do that and start over again? Because it wasn’t about winning a title, it was about money they didn’t want to pay. That’s why VDN is our coach, because being cheap (and dumb) always trumps being smart and winning!
GOOD POINT
The bulls management knows that the bulls will continue to sell out games, so they know they can be cheap and not pay for go players or hire a good or better coach either to stay or come to this team. If fans stop coming like at most bad teams, like the nets, then managment would have to pay players to come or stay with this team. It’s the same old story, you pay for what you get and right now the bulls don’t have shit.
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