It`s time...
by Fiadelnegro on Mar 11, 2010 10:01 PM CST
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Looks like we aren`t gonna make the playoffs, and if we do sneak in we are going to get blown out. The last 2-3 weeks have been brutal. We`re ravaged with injuries we`ve lost a string of games (badly) and have a tough schedule come up. Heres what the Bulls management should do...if Rose`s injury is in anyway serious or possible to make it look serious, pull him out. Pull Joakim for the season and rest Deng and co as long as possible. Tank games and try and get a top ten pick. Fire Del Negro and let Wade, Lebron or whoever else it is that we hire pick the coach.
This season had some potential, we could of got a decent seed in the weak Eastern Conference if we had guys healthy...but we don`t....If everybody comes back next season healthy, we have an excuse for not making the playoffs and we get a good guy in the draft along with some high-level free-agent we are looking good. If we get beaten then shit out of in the first round it`s not gonna help our chances of getting a high-level free-agent that much. I`m all for tanking the rest of the season right now.
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Way too premature
We’re only 2 games out, Deng’s not gonna be out for too much longer, it seems, and Joakim will be back in a couple weeks, based on the originial 3-week timetable. We’re far from done. I do agree that we shouldn’t rush guys back though, particularly before we get to the truly winnable games on the schedule.
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I wholeheartedly agree
We arent going to the playoffs. Will that deter Bosh? Who knows. But we arent getting their weather we try or not, so sit Rose/Deng/Noah/(?)Gibson(?) the rest of the year and do everything in our power to get in the top 10 and keep Milwaukee/Skiles the fuck away from our pick.
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
Really?
Hollinger says we have a 43.2% chance at the playoffs. Last I checked, that’s a lot higher than 0%.
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by Poloplaya14 on Mar 11, 2010 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
Hollinger's computers don't know who's hurt.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 11, 2010 11:34 PM CST up reply actions
Well our hurt guys are coming back, and the games they're missing were mostly ones we weren't too likely to win anyways.
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by Poloplaya14 on Mar 12, 2010 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
Individually, sure.
But you’re expected to win one or two of those games.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I keep saying
Hollinger “methods” are useless
by JustAnotherFan on Mar 12, 2010 8:47 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Down to 37%?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
37% still greater than 0% though.
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by Poloplaya14 on Mar 12, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
not really
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
Huh?
I think your math skills need a little work.
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Because if Skiles gets that draft pick...
that player could get pregnant.
2010... where relevant basketball in Chicago happens!
by kidronmusic on Mar 12, 2010 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
Well...
Right now, the Clippers is 10th in the league at 25-40. If they go 8-9 and finish at 33-49, the Bulls will have to finish 2-16 to match their record and have a shot at a top-10 draft pick.
As crazy as it sounds, the Bulls dont want a very high draft pick. If the Bulls actually luck out in the lottery, and win a top-3 pick, that will completely destroy their FA plans for this summer. The Bulls have $32M committed to 6 players for next season. To fill out their roster, they will need for put 5 cap holds and pay the incoming rookie. A top-3 draft pick has a rookie salary of at least $4M. The Bulls will then have over $38M in salary with all those cap holds included, and they wont have enough for a max contract.
Well there's the chance that the Clippers play better than 8-9, but that's a minor detail
My main disagreement with your comment is this statement, “If the Bulls actually luck out in the lottery, and win a top-3 pick, that will completely destroy their FA plans for this summer.” If the Bulls luck out and land a top 3 pick, they’ll be able to trade down a few slots and maintain max FA room. Also, even if the Bulls end up with $38 million in committed salary, they’re still close enough where they could still get a max FA by sending James Johnson over in a S + T, a scenario that’s not unrealistic at all. And if that doesn’t get us there (because the cap ends up being especially lower than projected), we could send Taj Gibson over too.
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by Poloplaya14 on Mar 12, 2010 12:41 AM CST up reply actions
It's not a minor detail, it's a major detail
The Clippers are the only team out there with a worse record that could conceivably end up with a better record than the Bulls. And the Bulls are 8 games ahead of them with roughly double that to play.
That’s damn near impossible, especially when the Clips are also tanking and have lost 5 straight.
So I don’t see any realistic means by which we end up in the top 10.
by Sports2 on Mar 12, 2010 6:35 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah which is why the possibility of the clippers winning a couple extra games is a minor detail, since it won't matter anyways
If only we’d bargained for top 11 protected…
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Base 10 numbers are so arbitrary!!!
Seriously. That’s hilarious. Completely arbitrary, possibly franchise-defining. (difference between 11&18 in this draft could be huge, could be tiny, whatevs.)
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Or just maybe..
The Bucks aren’t stupid and had a newspaper handy. And saw the large gap between 10 and 11, did a little simple math, and knew the worst the Bulls would do is 11th unless shit went completely crazy so instead of saying lottery protected, they demanded top 10 leaving 11 – 14 open for a swap.
Bulls probably just accepted it because it’s still not that big a deal, and probably never thought they would collapse at the same time the Bucks went on a monster tear.
Usually in an NBA trade, it’s lottery protected, this time it’s top 10 protected, this does’t seem odd to you? I’d suggest they didn’t use an arbitrary number at all. If they were being lazy they’d have just said lottery or top 3 protected.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 12, 2010 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Bulls probably accepted it because they were desperate to dump Salmons
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by Poloplaya14 on Mar 12, 2010 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Also, they might've just thought that the difference between the picks is marginal, and there is a lower cap hold for the lower pick.
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by Poloplaya14 on Mar 12, 2010 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
That's what I implied
When I said it’s just not that big a deal. I really don’t think they cared, as long as Salmons was gone they were happy.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 12, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
I can get down with that thinking.
Milwaukee will not be a higher pick than 16 or 17 anyways. The difference in 6 spots isn’t that huge if you know what you need (in Chicago’s case they need anyone with talent who can contribute immediately).
Besides, thinking like Reinsdorf, a higher draft pick means lower cap hold.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 12, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I doubt it.
Top-10 protected is pretty standard too. As much as lottery protected.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think you're right
the Bucks probably did really look at this possibility and of course, the Bulls never thought they would fall apart like this. The Bulls probably figured both will be in the playoffs anyway and the difference between picks would only be one or two spots.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Re - Wanting draft pick
Let`s play devils advocate and the Bulls do luck out and get Evan Turner , Wesley Johnson, Xavier Henry or some other player guy we can slot in at SG.
If that happens we are getting this…
Another talented young player to a young team already loaded with potential,
A cheap contract,
and the possibility to trade away Hinrich`s contract (and I like Hinrich, don`t get me wrong).
Our team looks much more attractive to free agents with another (proven) young talent.
If we get a top 10 pick in this years draft we can get a shooting gaurd who is ready to contribute and will take up very little space on our salary cap compared to the talent we are getting back. I am all for that. I`m sure Bosh would be too. The same could be said for Dwayne Wade if we pick another post player. Taj Gibson is good but i`m sure theres PF in that draft that have a higher ceiling and are already more talented.
Besides the fact…us spending all our cap space on one player does not make us a contender. We have cap space this summer because we have alot of contracts expiring. Alot of contracts expiring means we also don`t have alot of players coming back…we are gonna need to fill some of those spots…and if we can fill them with a talented, young player who is ready to play and will be signed to a cheaper than usual contract…that`s a win-win.
by Fiadelnegro on Mar 12, 2010 12:56 AM CST up reply actions
I'd love a top 10 draft pick, but the odds of that happening are very slim, even if we tank, so I'd rather see us make the playoffs
And I don’t see why you’re grouping Xavier Henry with Turner and Johnson. Henry might slip to us at no. 15-17, while Turner will go no.2, and Johnson won’t go past the top 7.
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what do you think of james anderson
supposedly a good shooter, great upper body for attacking the rim, pretty athletic…dont see alot of upside in him but he could be a good swingman
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I'm not sure what to make of him
He’s clearly a good shooter, which would make him a good fit offensively, but his defense is the question. nbadraft.net says he “has the skill set of a lockdown defender with his lateral quickness, length and dedication to the defensive side of the ball.” But draftexpress.com says "The biggest chink in Anderson’s armor and the main thing holding him back from being able to project him as an outstanding NBA role-player has always been his play on the defensive end. Unfortunately, not much seems to have changed this year. Anderson isn’t much of a presence at all on the perimeter, looking very upright in his stance and showing below average lateral quickness, getting beat on a regular basis off the dribble by fairly mediocre college slashers. He doesn’t use his body well enough, lacks a significant degree of physicality in his approach, and does not utilize his length at all to contest opponents’ shots. " Very odd. I haven’t seen enough of him to make an accurate judgment.
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cool thanks
yea i tried to watch more college basketball this year (last year was the most i watched with 1.5 games….this year ive watched 4)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
agreed.
I’d take Anderson over Henry. Less projection, more certainty.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
just watched teh clip of your boy hitting that 30fter
Scott Van Pelt of espn 1000 said that john wall might be the best PROSPECT in college right now, but evan turner is the best PLAYER in college basketball right now…he would be an awesome fit on this team, he can score big shots, he is tall and a good defender, hes willing to pass, is a real good ball handler and passer, to bad hes gonna probably second or third in the draft….(actually if new jersey does get the number one pick, they might trade the pick and just take turner at with the second pick, Harris, Turner, Lopez…thats a real good big three, plus they then have the money to sign a star sf or pf…yikes….)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
How are those guys "proven"?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
With the playoffs now next to impossible, the all-mighty Org. better pull something out of its ass this offseason
Bosh and Morrow or bust.
Lebron or bust.
Wade or bust.
Stoudemire and Morrow or bust.
No other options if they’d like a chance at next year’s post season.
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
At making it to the postseason??
Or winning a championship. With no changes, as long as they were healthy and added a minor piece they’d have no problem making the playoffs. So I assume you mean winning a championship.. and if so, then I completely agree.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 12, 2010 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
oops yeah i meant championship
although maybe postseason too, if plataar facsitis is an issue again :S
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
Morrow's not happening, folks, get over it.
And he’s not that good anyways. I’d rather try for Manu, possibly dangling James Johnson in a S + T if there’s not quite enough cap room.
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by Poloplaya14 on Mar 12, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Manu has been constantly hurt and only has 1 or 2 good years left
I don’t think its out of the question that a team outbids the Warriors for Morrow.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 12, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The $ it would take to outbid for Morrow isn't worth it, considering the other options (and we likely won't have that $ available anyways)
I think we could get Ginobili at a bargain price, given the concerns about his age and injury history.
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by Poloplaya14 on Mar 12, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Golden State has money tied in with
Bierdins, Maggette and Ellis. I doubt they spend too much to keep him (although they have made dumb decisions in the past). I bet he gets about $6 million a year.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 12, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
I think he could go for a bit more, and he'll probably get 5 years
That’s opposed to Ginobili, who I think we could get for about 3 years, $15, million. Since Ginobili’s much better, when healthy, I think he’s the better value
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by Poloplaya14 on Mar 12, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
I'd rather have 3 years of Manu at a bargain
than 5 years of Joe Johnson at max or near max.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
I do want 3 years of Manu.
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And they have Stephen Curry they'll have to pay someday.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'd like that too
But I think it’s more likely for the Spurs to just bring Ginobili back at a bargain price if that’s the case.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
bleh
I don’t know about that. The Spurs window of contention is probably shut. They might decide to pack it in and start rebuilding rather than sign a player past his prime.
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