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Bulls 109, Pacers 101: Ugly yet necessary

Pace Eff eFG FT/FG OREB% TOr
Chicago 101.0 107.9 53.1% 28.4 17.9 14.9
Indiana 100.0 47.3% 15.2 24.5 15.8

 

Neil and Stacy's act has been an annoyance all season, but it was really starting to get distracting as Tuesday's game wore (and wore) on. The Pacers can't guard anybody, especially designated 'player to completely bash all night' (sponsored by hatorade) Mike Dunleavy, but sheesh. It entered deep in to the land of irrationality when King gave his usual "see, you can get that jump shot any time in the shot clock" when Dunleavy shot a 3-pointer while the shot clock was expiring. And that extended to the general hypocrisy of railing against a team taking a lot of jumpers when you cover a team on a nightly basis that leads the league in long 2-pointers.

But I suppose if your main complaint about a game is the announcers being too homer, that's not so bad overall. A pretty mundane game all-around, the sparse crowd reminding me of those games in New Jersey the Skiles Bulls would always lose. Behind some turn-back-the-clock (or just small a guard burning Hinrich, which happens) play by T.J. Ford, it looked like the Bulls would listlessly drop this game, but they rallied with a 28-15 advantage in the fourth.  Bulls needed to get a win in the bank before the All-Star break, and it was far more likely to come tonight than in 24 hours against Orlando. Especially without Joakim Noah.

The Bulls have really seen their usual dominance on the offensive glass plummet without him, and their usual aggressive trap-and-recover defense looks completely different when Chris Richard is out there doing what Noah usually does.

But against the Pacers, the Bulls cast of relatively unathletic wings looked downright spry. Salmons (attacked the rim!), Hinrich (3-6 from three!), and Deng (an opponent actually had to double-team him!) were able to do what they wanted, and when that happens one knows that Derrick Rose can do the same. Maybe Neil and Stacy had a point when bashing the Pacers.

In his return from suspension, Tyrus Thomas had himself a nice 28 minutes of action, shooting 4-5 with two jumpers, only one TO. Even guarded Roy Hibbert for a stint. Not that it means much, he was still on the bench in the final stretch, and that minute total was no doubt buoyed by Taj Gibson being in foul trouble to start both halves. Plus it's not like Tyrus and VDN stopped hating eachother and the Org. is ready to commit to him in the least. Still, a good night from Tyrus at least proves that even as an unsalvageable malcontent he can be of value to the active roster, rather than dumped for walking contracts or released outright.

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I want purple stairs.

Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wondering through a forest.-Neil Funk

by SoulEater7 on Feb 9, 2010 10:25 PM CST reply actions  

putative softie luol deng had a 23/11 game on a hurt shoulder while holding granger to an

inefficient outing. what a wuss.

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Feb 9, 2010 10:32 PM CST reply actions  

yeah, Deng was beasting tonight

no allusions to his lady-parts from this guy!

USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 9, 2010 10:35 PM CST up reply actions  

OOoooh so he's tough now because he did his job?

jk

Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wondering through a forest.-Neil Funk

by SoulEater7 on Feb 9, 2010 10:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Come on

They guy is absolutely great. He scores, he rebounds, he get steals and blocks – and he does it consistenly. What else do you want??

by JustAnotherFan on Feb 10, 2010 5:51 AM CST up reply actions  

BUT HE CAN'T GUARD ANYBODY!!!

NOBODY!!!!

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Feb 10, 2010 12:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Mike Dunleavy?

Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wondering through a forest.-Neil Funk

by SoulEater7 on Feb 10, 2010 12:16 AM CST up reply actions  

He was on Granger.

It’s candy. I don’t eat poop-flavored candy. I’m not going to watch poop-level basketball.
--tyger1147

by fundamentallysound on Feb 10, 2010 1:47 AM CST up reply actions  

BUT GRANGER SCORED LIKE A TON OF POINTS ARE YOU AWARE OF THIS SOFTNESS

Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 10, 2010 7:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Granger was 8-21 late in the game

he got points, but not very efficiently. not a good shooting night, and Luol is a factor kn that.

we went out for pizza after the game. -dave wannstedt

by BULLieving in Miami on Feb 10, 2010 8:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

If a guy takes

21 shots he going to get his points, but Loul made it a tough 24

by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 10, 2010 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

rec'd

The Beatles. The Fab Four. The greatest band of all time. John, Paul, George and Scottie Pippen.

by Cosmis on Feb 9, 2010 10:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I just kinda ignore them.

Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wondering through a forest.-Neil Funk

by SoulEater7 on Feb 9, 2010 10:38 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I hate Hawk

I think the Hawks and the Santo’s etc are Chicago Sportscaster myseries…..the catch phrase craze has to go away.

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Feb 10, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I hate him too.

OK I don't know shit about basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Feb 10, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I like stacy

funk i can do without.

i like hawk harrelson too, for that matter. you can put it on the booooooooooooard, yes!

i'm hot for teacher

by DLRoth on Feb 10, 2010 9:07 AM CST up reply actions  

SKY KING

is a BEAST in the broadcast chair

by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 10, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

The thing that annoys me most

is when the Pacers would score, yet Funk and King would literally continue ripping on something that one of the Pacers players did on the (successful) possession. It’s ridiculous, yet somehow it’s like they literally have no idea what’s coming out of their mouths. I’ve never seen anything like it.

Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.

by Illini15 on Feb 9, 2010 10:39 PM CST reply actions  

You know Chuck is taking Neil's job either next season or in 2 years.

I think the Bulls should consider moving those guys to TV. Moving Stacy and Neil to radio. Or have Chuck work with Stacy King.

Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wondering through a forest.-Neil Funk

by SoulEater7 on Feb 9, 2010 10:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Switching Neil/Chuck would make some sense

Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.

by Illini15 on Feb 9, 2010 10:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Neil's long pauses would make for some pretty horrendous radio,

but I’m for it as long as he’s off tv

"Make good basketball plays!"
-VDN

by penguin1 on Feb 10, 2010 4:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Neil was the radio play-by-play guy

for a very long time! And he did a good job, or at least because you can’t see how blind he is and how much of the game he gets wrong or misses, it served its purpose for those listening.

“The Swirsk” is OK, I guess, but he’s got that “I’m totally a sports announcer” voice. It’s like he’s a spoof of himself sometimes. Wennington is BY FAR the best commentator the Bulls have, regardless of medium. I’d love for him to be on TV, but he’s really needed on radio because if they put King on the radio you’d never know what’s going on through all the
“DON’T DO ’EM LIKE THAT” or “GET UP OR GIT OUT THA WAY” stuff.

by kozzer on Feb 10, 2010 9:04 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

spoof of himself. i like that.

i'm hot for teacher

by DLRoth on Feb 10, 2010 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

that was so priceless: dismissive, inane and absurd.

they could be a lot more entertaining if they would say stuff like this more, but in the form of an inept analytical observation. like, “thats right neil. and getting fouled is probably the best way for the bulls to get to the free throw line against this team.”

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Feb 9, 2010 11:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Ooh!

“If you shoot a lot of jumpers, you’re bound to hit some of them. But you’re going to miss a lot of jumpers in the process.”
“Tyrus has four blocks, but he hit the ball out of bounds off of a Pacers player instead of hitting it to himself! Now look, guys, when you give up a transition opportunity like that, you lose a chance to score points. And the team with the most points wins the game. Scoring points is good.”
“Chris Paul leads the league in steals, and that’s why he’s one of the best point guards in the game today.”
“Allen Iverson.”

If only. …

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Feb 10, 2010 1:44 AM CST up reply actions  

That was great

Still I like King even if he gets annoying. I like Funk’s voice, but that man can’t see….he was great on the radio.

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Feb 10, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably not.

But we can lose to ORL, if that’s what you want.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Feb 10, 2010 1:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Didn’t they beat them the last time they played? I know Noah is out but I thought B Miller was the one who did a nice job on Dwight.

by k21c on Feb 10, 2010 5:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Orlando has zero idea how to use Howard anyway

He’ll probably get under 15 shots tonight, which is crazy stupid considering how much better he is than anyone else on that team. He’s averaging less than 10 FGA a game this year. Just let the Magic get into a lazy-shot habit and on a majority of possessions, Howard won’t even touch the ball.

by kozzer on Feb 10, 2010 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

He's also averaging 11 FTAs.

I agree they need to pass to Howard more often, but it’s not like he’s barely touching the ball.

Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 10, 2010 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

So if he's averaging 11 FTA per game

that works out to be another 5 possessions where Howard ends up with it, so he’s still at under 15 possessions per game. It still boggles my mind how many possessions I’ve seen for the Magic where Howard doesn’t even touch the ball! You’d think they would run their offense through him all the time, since nobody can defend him 1-on-1.

by kozzer on Feb 10, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

i agree with you, and howard has looked really good in the post this year, but some

of howards low usage is on howard. he often doesnt work hard enough to get good position.

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Feb 10, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

"Nobody can defend him 1-on-1"

Um, yes they can, he can’t make FTs and still has a one-dimensional post game.

I watched the Hornets-Magic game Monday night and Howard is setting up 15 feet away from the basket being guarded by Darius Songaila. Howard certainly deserves his share of blame for not getting enough touches.

Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 10, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

You’re right, if you Hack-A-Dwight, you can “stop” him that way considering his FT percentage. But, unless it’s a late-game situation, as an opponent you can’t rack up a bunch of team fouls when Dwight has the ball. It’s a desperation move when he’s already beaten you. And about his positioning, that doesn’t seem to make a difference. I’ve seen plenty of Magic possessions where Howard is literally standing on the block with the defender on his hip and they fire up a 3 without even looking inside. And other times where he’s 10 feet out and they dump it in to him.

So I agree, some of the blame is on Howard, but it’s certainly a smaller piece of the pie than you seem to be saying.

In any case, the Bulls will have a tough time tonight. Let’s hope they play better tonight than they did last night, because even at home last night’s effort won’t cut it.

by kozzer on Feb 10, 2010 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

His post game is still non-existent. If he can’t get deep and dunk, he has no moves, counter moves or a respectable jump hook. It’s on him to improve his footwork and his post game.

by C Smoove on Feb 10, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

maybe hes just been on recently, but theyve been going to him more of late

and his moves have been looking good. hes recently destroyed some defenders like horford and bogut who should have the best chance to guard him. and he also killed perkins when he took over the 4th quarter of the boston game just before the last one. im not saying hes kevin mchale, but hes done some nice work recently.

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Feb 10, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a home game

We’ve got a good shot of winning this one tonight. It depends on how we defend the perimeter. Hopefully Salmons has a monster night.

12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)

by NBA Observer on Feb 10, 2010 9:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Neil should only be allowed to do radio with an ugly mug like his.

I want to thank Taj for getting into early foul trouble thus forcing Vinny to play Tyrus more than he intended, although he did yank him in the last few minutes and Taj had a brilliant final 19 seconds, padding his stats with 2 ft’s and 2 rebounds, after the game was decided.

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard

by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 9, 2010 10:48 PM CST reply actions  

funny thing about neil. during that collapse against SAC neil said of tyreke evans:

“you know who he reminds me of? one of my favorite players of all time: michael ray richardson” at the time i was like, “really? YOU loved sugar ray?” i mean, sugar was a really good player but he was also exactly the kind of guy who neil would murder if he played for an opposing team today: a bit erratic, unsophisticated, and addicted to coke. somewhere there is probably a semi-endearing, genuine basketball fan in neil, but that guy is either dead or in a vegetative state.

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Feb 9, 2010 10:53 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I had this weird thought

I’m taking Tyrus’ rant in the locker room as if he was a coach in an NBA game not getting the calls he thinks should be called. The coach gets a technical for his snapping at the ref and the rest of the game, the refs gets the message and are more aware. They then call the fouls and such accordingly.

Tyrus goes on his rant, gets his suspension and now he gets treated more accordingly

Just a thought

by Option27 on Feb 9, 2010 11:19 PM CST reply actions  

He wasn't replying to you rosegirl

and he AGREED with you

Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

by bigballa10 on Feb 10, 2010 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Here's a serious message

Calm down. Learn how the forum replies work… jesus, I figured it out within my first day lurking on this blog.

by Dash2112 on Feb 10, 2010 12:35 AM CST up reply actions  

i love this comment

you are better than angryandy. pure gold

by Basketball Smurf on Feb 10, 2010 1:18 AM CST up reply actions  

new favorite poster

Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.

by Illini15 on Feb 10, 2010 1:46 AM CST up reply actions  

You mean you like it when she attacks you for no reason?

Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

by bigballa10 on Feb 10, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

It was a good theory under normal circumstances

Too bad the VDN-Tyrus thing is beyond normal.

Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

by bigballa10 on Feb 10, 2010 12:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I was also thinking that they may be showcasing him now

but these two are right…it was just Taj’s foul trouble. Tomorrow TT will play 15 min (unless Taj fouls out).

Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

by bigballa10 on Feb 10, 2010 12:04 AM CST up reply actions  

"May I justifiably conclude that Vinny is an assh*le?" Again

You didn’t get the memo.

Hey Ty, your boy “Tyrusmancrush” didn’t get the memo!!

by T.Moore on Feb 10, 2010 1:24 AM CST up reply actions  

You really should start a Tyrus Thomas blog.

I’m serious here. It would be awesome.

Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.

by Illini15 on Feb 10, 2010 1:47 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Free Tyrus Thomas!

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Feb 10, 2010 8:03 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yes

Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.

by Illini15 on Feb 10, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

meh

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Feb 12, 2010 8:39 AM CST up reply actions  

OH MY GOD IT WOULD.

It would be like the Larry Hughes blog, only about injustice in regards to minutes being cut.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Feb 10, 2010 8:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Someone watched the game last night...

with their pants around their ankles for 28 minutes and 23 seconds.

by xFIB on Feb 10, 2010 7:40 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Vinny is an assh*le, but not because he doesn't play TT more...

First, your statistics are cherry-picked. Why on earth wouldn’t you use the full season, rather than the last 10 games? Secondly – and much more importantly – statistics are often misleading, and your ream of them is the perfect illustration.

It is painfully obvious that Gibson is a far smarter, and better team player than Thomas. In sharp contrast to Thomas, whose presence on the court often degrades the team, Taj does virtually all of the little things that benefit the team better. He’s a better and smarter defender, he hustles his ass off, takes fewer stupid shots, sets more effective picks (and more of them), etc., etc., etc.

You won’t see statistics reflecting those very important aspects of the game. Furthermore, even based on your limited stats, a three and a half year pro is narrowly better than a rookie who hasn’t played half a season yet.

Asa final note, the very fact that you mention – TT’s stats were earned without playing with the starters – works against your argument. What type of players was he playing AGAINST during garbage time? Who was he guarding? Who was guarding him? Taj was playing against better players, and even in your narrow terms was almost TT’s equal.

by badnewsintennisshoes on Feb 10, 2010 8:28 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

when you are narrowly better in every stat (and sometimes more than narrowly)

then you arent narrowly better overall. youre just better. but since youre the guy who thought horace grant was a role player, and someone taj could be better than as a player, i dont expect you to get that.

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Feb 10, 2010 8:41 AM CST up reply actions  

If you believe that this narrow set of statistics...

somehow proves that TT is a “better” player, then your perspective on which players are “better” than others will often be distorted.

by badnewsintennisshoes on Feb 10, 2010 8:44 AM CST up reply actions  

fine. just realize no one can argue with you when you never try to give concrete evidence

and when you are your own ultimate authority.

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Feb 10, 2010 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

fine. just realize no one can argue with you when you never try to give concrete evidence

and when you are your own ultimate authority.

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Feb 10, 2010 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

whoops.

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Feb 10, 2010 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

By the way...

you don’t consider Horace Grant to have been a role player? You must have an odd definition, then, given that he was replaced by others and more championships were won.

He was a good role player, and had a variety of skills, but that is what he was.

by badnewsintennisshoes on Feb 10, 2010 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

apparently...

you believe that role player must be

a) a minor player

b) a player with only one particular skill

in which case, you are describing a limited role player of modest value

by badnewsintennisshoes on Feb 10, 2010 9:36 AM CST up reply actions  

oh jesus. you said horace was a role player because he left and the bulls still

won championships. look at this roster from 93

now look at this roster from 96

see how much changed? by your definition shaq was a role player because the lakers let him go and they still won a title.

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Feb 10, 2010 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

That's much closer to the understanding most people have

than Horace Grant was during those championship years. Technically, everybody plays a “role”, but it’s generally understood to be someone that has a defined skill that is used for the team. Such as a lockdown defender, a 3 point specialist, a rebounder. Generally they would come off the bench. This is what’s commonly understood which is why you all are having this long back and forth because Horace, during those championship years, doesn’t fit the common usage of that term.

Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

by bigballa10 on Feb 10, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Yes...

once in 14 years that he was a starter. Hardly inconsistent with being role player.

by badnewsintennisshoes on Feb 10, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

So was BJ Armstrong

wouldn’t you say he was a role player?

by kozzer on Feb 10, 2010 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

the point is that during his time here grant averaged a PER of 17.

and if you take away his first two years (grant struggled with inconsistency until the age of 24.. hmmm) that number goes to over 18. further, his 92’ season PER was 13th in the league. combined with his all-star election, his 4 all defense nominations, and the fact that hes 34th all time in career win shares and I think we can dismiss the whole “role player” thing. unless anyone who is not a superstar is a role player. but thats not how people typically use that phrase.

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Feb 10, 2010 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

role players are...

for the most part interchangeable. Grant was a solid forward who helped the team, but he wasn’t indispensable; only Pippen and Jordan were indispensable. Of the other members of the teams, only Rodman would have been arguably impossible to replace with a player of equivalent impact.

Any players who are essentially interchangeable are role players – in any sport. Grant was a solid player, and he helped the team. But the notion that because he recorded this or that statistic and was therefore more than a role player is nonsense.

Furthermore, your over-reliance on statistics – especially the holy PER – in order to justify your position is revealing. Do you seriously believe that his PER when playing on Bulls championship teams is an accurate representation of his ability as a player? His years of playing for other teams don’t count? Give me a break.

Grant played the role of forward on three Bulls championship teams. Other players were substituted for him on subsequent championship teams. He was a good role player. Period.

by badnewsintennisshoes on Feb 10, 2010 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

again, that makes kobe bryant a role player, since you could take him

out and put wade in and the lakers still would have won a title. you know, cause at the very top those players tend to be interchangeable too. and by saying “impact” youve really opened yourself up here. so i take pippen off the 96 bulls and i replace him with an average SF. then i take longley out and replace him with shaq. that team wins a title. i essentially traded pippen for shaq with no drop in success. i guess pippens a role player too. and so is shaq. the only player who wouldnt be a role player in your definition is the indisputable “best in the world”. which is stupid.

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Feb 10, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

no...

I never said that the definition of role players is that they are interchangeable, though it is one characteristic of them. They also do not have an extraordinary impact on a team.

If you can’t tell the difference between the interchangeability of solid, unexceptional players and the likes of Kobe Bryant, then “stupid” is indeed the operative word here.

by badnewsintennisshoes on Feb 10, 2010 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

id like to challenge your use of "unexceptional"

vis-a-vis grant, but you made fun of me for using evidence.

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Feb 10, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem here...

is that you have taken exception to my characterization of a single player. I have explained why I used the term, and others have agreed with me (by the way). Yet all you have done is to throw out cherry-picked statistics, as if it is somehow obvious that no player with a PER above thus and such could be a role player.

Why don’t you try defining the expression “role player”, since you disagree with mine?

Oh, and I made fun of you for using weak evidence – not for using evidence.

by badnewsintennisshoes on Feb 10, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

1 time all star. So?

He is still a great role player.

by T.Moore on Feb 10, 2010 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

y'know, i kept my eye on TT tonight

i guess i never truly paid attention to it before (and i do admit to pressing play on my DVR a bit too late these days and tend to fall asleep watching the games) but last night during his first stint, i saw 4 or 5 possessions in a row where TT is the last one back on both ends of the court. finally, he beat Brad down the court on offense, which isn’t saying much.

my deal with him is he is very talented, mostly athletically, but low basketball IQ and no technique whatsoever. constantly jumps of the wrong foot, no body control, almost like he has no sense of his body or what its doing as he drives. i’m pretty much done with him. Taj is what they wanted TT to be, and they’ll take a small dropoff in athletic ability to get that production.

we went out for pizza after the game. -dave wannstedt

by BULLieving in Miami on Feb 10, 2010 10:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

not saying he is

but he is more the type they want at that position.

we went out for pizza after the game. -dave wannstedt

by BULLieving in Miami on Feb 10, 2010 11:00 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Why?

The team is better with Thomas on the court than with Gibson.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Feb 10, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

At least we can agee

that Vinny is an asshole

Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

by bigballa10 on Feb 10, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Thank you for your insightful post. You made many good points. Unfortunately, you are almost completely wrong on most of them, IMHO.

It is often said that perception is reality. However as most of us realize, perceptions are sometimes wrong, and even woefully wrong. But don’t just take my word for it. The reason I chose their most recent games was because Tyrus has been getting squeezed more than ever in his most recent outings by the unintgelligent, dumbass, close-minded excuse for a coach who sees himself as a genius and a players coach but the fact is he is a genius only in his own mind and a destroyer of young talent development.

Most of us, as you and I can both agree on, think he is an assh*le or should I say an asshat. If he could remove his bull head from his anal cavity once in awhile and actually analyze what’s taking place before him, what goes on won’t always be over his head due to its current location and he may actually be able to make intelligent adjustments, but don’t hold your breath. Putting nice hair on a pig may improve his appearance but a pig is still a pig.

When I can free up some time which is primarily dependent on my wife’s honey do list, I will try to set up a fanshot which you are free to deconstruct, but facts often speak louder than words, and even you may be surprised when you see them in black and white, realizing all the time, that this rookie is 14 months older than Tyrus and has actually been coached while in college, a huge advantage for a fairly talented apple polisher.

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard

by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 10, 2010 6:46 PM CST up reply actions  

with due respect...

the fact that a rookie is smarter, more determined, less selfish, and makes better decisions on the court is due to his having had a longer college career? Please.

As to the “facts”, I’ll be happy to listen to your statistic-based argument, but I sincerely hope that you recognize that statistics – such as the ones you used above – can be very misleading.

by badnewsintennisshoes on Feb 10, 2010 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Tyrus, but I'm tired of seeing him jog back on defense during a fast break.

Why would the other players want to play with a guy that is half-assing it?

by benhertz on Feb 10, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Question

Saw like 5 minutes total of the game. Was at the Hawks game. It seems like a decent win with our struggles in that building. And now the question, do we “pump up” TT’s value and ship him off or keep him through the season?

Derrick Rose will lead us back to the promise land.

In Vinny We Trust!

by DRose#1 on Feb 9, 2010 11:54 PM CST reply actions  

That's a given..

That Tyrus is gone, but no need to submarine his trade value by treating him like he’s garbage. If he looked good, he may have made a Hinrich or Salmons package look better to another team.

by Grinder in Training on Feb 10, 2010 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed, but...

What wold this type of logic say about Rose not playing in the closing minutes of games last year or at least not being the one taking the final shot. Taj is starting because he will be here next year…ok, but if VDN or the org was using that logic, Rose should have been the one taking those pressure packed shots last year because he was going to be the one there the next year and not BG. You still start your best guys and play your best guys. Taj would and should still be getting minutes, but playing him starters minutes when you have a better option is always just plain dumb.

by DRose01 on Feb 10, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

I totally agree but wanted to see what everyone else thinks. Now what about Salmons because he probably won’t opt out.

Derrick Rose will lead us back to the promise land.

In Vinny We Trust!

by DRose#1 on Feb 10, 2010 12:24 AM CST reply actions  

Loved this quote

“Rose in the open court was the difference in the basketball game,” O’Brien said. “He attacks like a running back. There is no point guard in the league that can guard him one on one.”

by iBurkey on Feb 10, 2010 12:52 AM CST reply actions  

The difference was Mike Dunleavy

Too bad he doesn’t play 48 minutes.

12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)

by NBA Observer on Feb 10, 2010 9:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Neil and Stacy

Since beating the Pacers really doesnt show anything except that the Bulls got a nice road win before a tough back to back…. i wanna defend 1/2 of the TV booth.

I’m fine with people that are annoyed by the comedy bits ( Neil doesnt know what twitter is or Stacy tells Neil the plot of Lost and Neil talks about why M*A*S*H was the last show he watched).

Stacy is one of the best color guys in the league right now. I’m sorry but if your lucky enough to have NBA League Pass or NBA TV you hear the other crews a lot. ( 95% are homers) – Stacy had the balls to challenge Vinny’s decisions the whole first third of this season – he pounded the “let Derrick take over games by going ISO idea” all Nov, Dec. His catch phrase Dunk calls are fun ( thats the job of a local TV color guy) and his telestrator stuff teaches the higher IQ basketball fan a good amount of time( ok Freeze it).

I’m fine with any criticism of Neil. I’m gonna be biased because I remember hearing his Steve Kerr Kaboom calls from 1996 and that can get tattooed in ones brain. I agree he is too homer on officials and he pounds an opposing player for 3 mins and that player then goes off for 14pts in the next quarter.

But there is so much worse out there. Unless you get the TNT call there isnt anything better. I’m fine with demanding a more neutral over homer call… but it could be a lot worse.

by Jscho316 on Feb 10, 2010 1:04 AM CST reply actions  

i strongly disagree

i have league pass and watch a lot of games, and i’d say the only team that can rival neil/stacy for incompetence/obnoxiousness are the spurs announcers. those guys are absolutely ridiculous.

i do agree that stacy is better than neil, and I think that stacy could be good with a normal play by play guy, but stacy too often falls into neil’s traps of just railing on the other team. neil is such a plague that he ruins whoever is assigned to be his color guy.

http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com

by Calogero on Feb 10, 2010 8:25 AM CST up reply actions  

tommy heinsohn!!!!

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Feb 10, 2010 8:37 AM CST up reply actions  

ugh those spurs announcers are awful!!

i think it was the clips announcers were the other ones i really didn’t care for.

some of them are awful, but mostly cause they sound like idiots half the time, but they’re not ragging on the other team at least.

and of course the fucking BOSTON ANNOUNCERS!!!

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Feb 10, 2010 8:37 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

obviously, heinsohn is insane and senile

but i dont mind gorman— i think he’s knowledgable and masks his boston leanings as well as anyone stuck next to tommy heinsohn for 82 games can. even heinsohn’s style of homer doesnt bother me as much as neil/stacy. to me, neil/stacy come off as bitter and condescending, which is just not enjoyable to listen to, while with tommy it’s basically like you have a crazy old kook of a fan watching, and for an unbiased observer it can actually be quite entertaining at times.

im no fan of the clips announcers either, and portland’s are enormous homers, but at least they’re fairly knowledgable. basically, with home team announcers all i’m looking for is two guys who are fairly knowledgable about the game and each team and keep me entertained. i expect them to be at least partially homers, be just dont bludgeon me over the head with it

http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com

by Calogero on Feb 10, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

of course they're going to be homers

for whatever team, but i think the boston guys come off as condescending too. it’s like all of a sudden they’ve had selective amnesia and forgotten their team has sucked for 20 years before the last 3. gorman’s not bad, true, but listening to tommy makes me want to gouge out my ears.

but yeah, i mean i’m not defending neil and stacey in the least. don’t mistake my pointing out other morons as being pleased with the ones i’m stuck listening to most of the time. ;)

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Feb 10, 2010 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree

the problem isn’t even the homer (or more like excessive hate on opponents), it’s the incompetence. I’d tolerate Neils quirks more if he could tell Dahntay Jones from Danny Granger.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 10, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Or

Dahntay Jones from Solomon Jones…

by kingj41 on Feb 10, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

My favorite was when he condemned Granger for too many jumpers...

when early in the game Rose was doing the exact same thing and Deng does it quite often. People in glass houses should shut the fuck up…or something like that.

by DRose01 on Feb 10, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I actually do like

when Stacey talks about Neil though. I get some laughs out of that at least.

Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

by bigballa10 on Feb 10, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I do enjoy some of that schtick between them

they have good chemistry, no doubt.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 10, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Stacey does make

meake me laugh when he does that.

OK I don't know shit about basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Feb 10, 2010 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Salmons played very well

And that’s great. If he’s not traded we’ll need him. If he’s it adds to his value.

by JustAnotherFan on Feb 10, 2010 6:18 AM CST reply actions  

Nice post yfbb

I especially loved how after they bashed that shot clock ending 3 that the Pacers could get at any time, I think Deng came back on the other side of teh court and shot a 18 footer with 3 Pacers under the basket and the closest rebounding Bull by the FT line….(not in position for a FT). Stacey was still saying the Pacers can get that shot at any point, when Luol shot that somewhat ill-advised jump shot (Though I’m for Luol being more aggressive so I won’t go all out and say it was ill-advised, but it basically was the shot Stacey was talking about the Pacers doing), but Luol hit it, and then Stacey said and see Luol Deng makes them pay….

And yes TJ Ford especially always seems to kill Hinrich. Why didn’t O’Brien continue to play him? It cost them that game….

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Feb 10, 2010 1:01 PM CST reply actions  

TJ Ford

has been getting the Tyrus treatment for a while now. I’m not sure why O’Brien did it, but I dropped him from my fantasy team long ago lol.

Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

by bigballa10 on Feb 10, 2010 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Larry Bird better take one for the team

and lace up the sneakers to boost attendance, even just for one game.

All your base are belong to Vinny.

by BCs71 on Feb 10, 2010 2:06 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

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