Spurs intrigued by Tyrus Thomas?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 9, 2010 11:21 AM CST
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PrintTwo Western Conference teams intrigued by Thomas are the Nuggets, patiently seeking a big man to contend with the Lakers, and the Spurs, who were characterized by two rival executives as desperate to acquire an athletic big man. “They feel like they have to do something, like they’re behind the eight ball a little bit,” one of the execs said. The Spurs have a full complement of expiring contracts that would intrigue the Bulls, who want to avoid losing a significant player with no compensation (see Ben Gordon) for the second straight summer. The Spurs, who dipped their toe across the luxury tax line this season, will have to decide before the end of their annual circus road trip – which continued Monday night against the Lakers – what they’re willing to give up to see that investment pay off.
(via 48MoH)
Spurs could be desperate have also been linked to Salmons in the past. Tyrus/Salmons for Bonner/Finley/Mason works. Not sure that helps the Bulls much on the court, but the goal of getting Salmons' 2010 option out of mind would be met, and they'd be freeing up more room under the luxury tax to make a subsequent move.
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If we could get Reinsdorf to spring for a cardboard box and a marker
We could transmogrify JJ into Blair. Heck, we could transmogrify Tyrus and Taj into Blairs, too!
by ImLittleJon on Feb 9, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
^this
Maybe we can field a calvinball team while we’re at it. : D
Imagine taking Lawson instead of JJ.
Then taking Taj at 26 and instead of spending money on Pargo, we use that to buy an early 2nd round pick off of somebody and take Blair.
Or just trade both picks and cash to the Bucks for their 10th pick and Jennings, then trade him along with anybody we want on our roster for somebody good.
Oh if only we had the time machine, haha.
Amazing....TT is supposedly so bad the Spurs would even consider him
Yup….the same Spurs who know a little of VDN from his time there. The same Spurs of the disciplined, team first regimen where even Tim Duncan can get scolded by the coach.
Oh why, oh why could they possibly be interested in TT?
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
they need athleticism
and TT is a rental. Plus he’s a capable NBA rotation player, sheesh.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 9, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
I agree I watched them get run by the Kobeless Lakers.
The Spurs need a player like Thomas.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wondering through a forest.-Neil Funk
What? yfbb not pick up on sarcasm?
Is T-Mobile behind this? :D
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
by bigballa10 on Feb 9, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
when it comes to Tyrus
I can’t tell anymore. People get so irrationally against (and I suppose for) the guy
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 9, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
The Spurs seem to actually like VDN.
I think Pops is one of the guys that actually talks to him regularly.
I’m really thinking Larry Brown might be the best coach in the NBA though. We may get a fanpost on that soon, but I’ll make sure it’s good and includes solid arguments if I do that. It’ll also have a related Bulls topic included, so that it is relevant.
Wouldn't trading him for expirings
also net nothing in return..
The Spurs have a full complement of expiring contracts that would intrigue the Bulls, who want to avoid losing a significant player with no compensation (see Ben Gordon) for the second straight summer.
Considering that the Bulls will get next to nothing from him
A player who could contribute in some way might be useful.
I’d take Bonner or Mason Jr. for sure.
They’ve also got the draft rights to Tiago Splitter
Yeah
But I’m w/ Matt. If it means Salmons or Hinrich are moved, I’m’ in. But to give him away for another expiring doesn’t cut it.
Are you referring to Tyrus or Salmons?
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Yea, we can get rid of Tyrus this summer either way, we just cut him loose.
He’s already an expiring offer, so we need more than useless expirings for him, unfortunately.
In reality, we probably need slightly more for Tyrus than Hinrich on average. Of course, since Hinrich makes more, we’ll get more total, but when factoring in salaries we should be getting more for Tyrus I believe.
That said, expirings and a pick from the Spurs might be all we can get by the deadline.
Oh now that I looked at again I see what you all are saying
I wouldn’t want to give up Tyrus for just an expiring deal either but I thought the whole idea was Tyrus and Salmons for expirings? That’s why it confused me when he said he wouldn’t do it for just expirings. If we can move Fish or HInrich with Tyrus for expirings, then go for it.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
ding ding ding
We have a winner! Tiago Splitter.. Insane euro bestly center
I would take Tiago for all the hot trash we can send em..
The question is how desperate are they? They’ve invested alot in this years team and if it doesnt work it will be blown up to a certain degree. May as well go all in and mortgage the future a bit. I know Bulls kill to get Tiago.
by Bulls4Ever on Feb 9, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Thiago splitter is a very good player, I am a big fan of his european type game (good hands, great passer and can shoot consistently the mid-range shot). Plus he has tons of experience with only 25 years (he went to Tau with only 16 years). If the Spurs fall for it, get it done!!!
by Zessu on Feb 9, 2010 9:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
How afraid are the spurs of losing Manu for nothing?
Could we make this a huge deal and take advantage of their desperation and manage to get Manu’s expiring contract?
I doubt it, but it’s a possibility. We need to force them to take Hinrich or Salmons or no dice.
They wouldn't care about
losing Manu for nothing!
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 9, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
Don't think so.
Manu has incentive to end the season on a strong note, so he should give it his all so that he maximizes his contract this off season.
We also don’t have a legitimate SG to give them in return, and they don’t really have one that can step up and fill the hole that Manu would leave.
The Spurs
are still holding on to hope he can turn into the Manu from 3 years ago, just one more time to make a so-called championship run
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 9, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
I thought about this last night
And Hinrich+Tyrus for Manu+Finley works in the trade machine. Not only does it save a million bucks this season (and get us a good two-guard, even though dropping off rapidly), but clears good cap space for FA.
But it solely relies on the Spurs determining if Manu has it in him or not for the stretch run, as this may be the last hoorah for the Spurs.
The good news is that they need to make some move to contend, and if pushed hard enough I think/hope they will give up more than expirings.
All your base are belong to Vinny.
i hope this goes down
it will rejuvenate tyrus’ career and then i can enjoy watching the idiots who unfairly bashed him while he was here run around in circles and blurt out “w-w-w-well, he still sucks!”
excited.
"4 inches, baby!" --ripped off from Kush
i think it's perfectly fine to call tyrus bashers idiots IF...
…you’re willing to admit to being an idiot yourself if tyrus continues to wallow in mediocrity on another team. it has to work both ways.
"The word ‘potential’ doesn’t mean much to me. You have to maximize your skills and ability. Potential is just a smokescreen. You have to prove you’re real in order to earn all the praise." - Tyrus Thomas
haha, unfairly bashed him?
What are you smoking. :)
by Mattchoo on Feb 9, 2010 8:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yea they were talking about
how the spurs needed someone like him on the team. cause no one could guard odom last night. barkley said they needed to make a trade for a big that can play defense and not worry too much on the offensive end. i instantly thought of tyrus. maybe Pop can teach him to not be so detrimental to the team.
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I'm buying tickets for Feb. 20th. First home game after the trade deadline. Will I be happy?
Is John Hollinger trying to kill a Bulls deal?
Hinrich is overrated? Just kinda off timing wouldn’t you say?
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wondering through a forest.-Neil Funk
i saw that. thanks a lot john. i hope no one pays any attention to you for a fortnight.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
I read that article
too, I hope Ainge and Kuptcheck are not reading, Kirk needs to be gone like yesterday.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 9, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
Hinrich overrated?
Hollinger’s PER is overrated!!
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Feb 10, 2010 12:28 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The proposed trade...
Would be tremendous for the Bulls…We would get additional depth in the frontcourt with Bonner (who can stretch the D with his shot) and another shooter/defender in the backcourt to replace Salmons (as Devin Brown seems like an epic fail)…
I wonder if the Spurs would be willing to give up a big man shooter who spreads the floor for Thomas?
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Isn't that what Matt Bonner is?
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
That is my point...
I am not sure the Spurs would be willing to give up Bonner, who adds value to their team by spreading the floor, for Tyrus Thomas who does not spread the floor. The line of thinking is that the Spurs need a defender for Odom/KMart more than they floor spreader (as Jefferson and Manu are capable)…I just don’t know if the Spurs share that line of reasoning.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Oh my bad
Somehow it didn’t register that way when I read it
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
on that note
anyone catch The White Panther in action against Dwight Howard last night?
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I'm buying tickets for Feb. 20th. First home game after the trade deadline. Will I be happy?
by Yibs on Feb 9, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
im not sure "action" is the right word.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
This isn't a bad deal at all
especially when you consider Tyrus isn’t playing much anyway and it assures cap space for the summer with Fish gone. Matt Bonner and Mason can hit 3’s and they can call defend well enough to help. None of them will start so I can’t see the downside in this.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
im still convinced
that Bonner and Mason seem good when they play, strictly due to Popovich
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I'm buying tickets for Feb. 20th. First home game after the trade deadline. Will I be happy?
Duncan might have something to do with it too
but yeah… were talking about 2 bulls second rounders
by Sports2 on Feb 9, 2010 1:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
argh, forgot to mention that
yes, we’d be bringing two back into the fold :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 9, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
is he out of prison?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 9, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Still a little peeved he ever got arrested.
Firing a gun in the air never hurt anybody.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
wasnt he like near the white house
when he did it?
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I'm buying tickets for Feb. 20th. First home game after the trade deadline. Will I be happy?
For what they do (shoot jumpshots)
I don’t see why they couldn’t perform that same role for us. Maybe not as effectively since you don’t have Duncan and Parker drawing so much attention but for the chance at sure cap space…I’d take it. The only thing is, while the trade works, it would mean the Spurs adding more salary and they are already in the tax area right now. I don’t know if getting Tyrus and Fish would be worth that for them.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Would paying the tax this year...
Would paying the tax this year, be worth it to JR & the Bulls if it would guarantee them Salmons contract would be off the books next year? If so
Bulls receive Bonner & Manu = 13.984 million
Spurs receive TT & Salmons = 11.172 million
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yleezyk
Spurs save 2.8 million or 5.6 million from the tax. Bulls go into the dreaded tax. What a better way to show your fan base you really care about the 2010 plan. Yeah I doubt it. (Could always throw in James Johnson because the Bulls cannot develop that type of player)
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nothing is worth paying the tax this year
nothing is worth paying it ever, except the vague promise by JR that it’d be for a ‘contender’.
They absolutely should use their ability to pay a one-year tax to clear future salary. But they won’t. And if they do, they could’ve done so to keep Gordon.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 9, 2010 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
except for the fact that gordon has shown this year that he isnt worth the money he was given
he is the 3rd best scorer on one of the 2/3 worst teams in the east. I wouldnt go into the luxury tax for that
by Teh Immortal Batman on Feb 9, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
The Spurs are actually trying to win
I doubt they dump Manu just save a little money. They made a decision to pay the tax this year to try to win a championship so we would need to give them something better, I would think, to get Manu.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Spurs could still win
Salmons and Thomas would help them focus on defense to stop the Lakers.
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I was thinking about this exact proposal last night. This lineup looks pretty good for the Spurs
PG: Parker, Hill
SG: Manu, Bogans, Salmons
SF: Jefferson, Salmons, Thomas
PF: Jefferson, Blair, Thomas
C: Duncan, Blair
They have to count on 2 of the big 3 being “great” for any one series and hope the third is “really good”. At that point, you hope one of Jefferson, Thomas or Blair plays really good and the others play well. It’s a lot of if’s, but at this stage, it’s all they have.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
If Thomas were used more, I wouldn't like this deal.
But if you treat him as a 10-15 mpg player
Rose, Hinrich, Mason
Hinrich, Finley
Deng, Finley
Gibson, Bonner, Noah
Noah, MIller
It’s not good, but it does bring a different “dynamic” to the team.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
who is the PF Jefferson? do you mean McDyess?
and if so, I believe he is pretty much well on his way to being done. He is just a back up center at this point
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 9, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
I meant Jefferson. Hasn't Richard played some there?
McDyess is probably done, but I think Blair and getting super lucky in Thomas might do the trick.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Jefferson does his work exclusively on the wing.
It’s candy. I don’t eat poop-flavored candy. I’m not going to watch poop-level basketball.
--tyger1147
by fundamentallysound on Feb 10, 2010 1:46 AM CST up reply actions
Who is the second Jefferson you listed in the starting five?
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
It wasn't really a "starting" five.
I thought Jefferson could play PF because he’s bigger, older and slower. I guess he can’t. Just forget I had that in there and put McDyess at the end.
I’d do it…
Parker(1) – Hill(2)
Salmons(3) – Manu(4) (because they have to, I guess) – Bogans(5)
Jefferson(6) – Salmons – Manu
Blair(7) – Thomas(8) – McDyess(9)
Duncan(10) – Blair – McDyess
The lessers of McDyess & Thomas and Salmons, Jefferson and Bogans would get significantly less playing time in the playoffs. I think they should keep Matt Bonner somehow.
Bulls —> Finley, Mason, Wilkins (T’Wolves) Splitter rights→ Salmons, Thomas
Spurs -
T’Wolves —→ McDyess $1 million from each team and a future 2nd from San Antonio
I don’t think Minnesota looks for this deal, but maybe they take the beef. I dunno.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Why or how does Minnesota get involved?
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Why? I don't know.
They probably don’t. I just wanted someone to take McDyess so the Spurs can keep Bonner. he seems like a decent part of their game. It can be Bonner to the Bulls instead of involving McDyess.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Watching the game last night,
it was pretty clear that San Antonio needs an active big or shot blocking presence in the paint. They were getting killed down there. I wouldn’t be all that shocked if they made a trade for Tyrus or a similar type of player. This may be their last chance, so they should go all in. Worst comes to worst they let Tyrus go after the season.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
I'm still absolutely against trading Tyrus.
Right now his value is so low there’s nobody you can get who would be as good. This is just ridiculous. The solution to both his low value and our needs at PF is the same. Play the guy.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Yeah, but that's obviously not happening.
So we might as well trade him for some guys who Vinny will actually play that can help our team. It sucks, but that’s the reality of this whole debacle.
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
You're right.
I was just blowing off frustration.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Feb 9, 2010 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
What about including the Celtics so the Bulls can dump Salmons and Hinrich?
How about this trade?
Bulls get:
Allen
Mason
Bonner
Spurs get:
Tyrus
Salmons
Celtics get:
Hinrich
Finley
I don't think the celtics are trading Allen at all.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wondering through a forest.-Neil Funk
How about Kirk for Manu Ginobili?
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wondering through a forest.-Neil Funk
I got one...
Kirk Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas for Ginobili and Mason Jr.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wondering through a forest.-Neil Funk
ok better yet and it works...
Kirk Hinrich
Tyrus Thomas
John Salmons
for
Manu Ginobili
Roger Mason Jr
Michael Finley
The Spurs get a boost in the arm of younger talent. I don’t know where they are cap wise but this would be great for them.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wondering through a forest.-Neil Funk
we could use a guy like Giiiinnnnooooooobiiillllliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!
We need his flopping.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wondering through a forest.-Neil Funk
let's trade TT for Tim Duncan
it’ll totally work
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
TT's barely getting any playing time as it is...
If they take one of out albatross contracts (Kirk, Fish or Lu), I’m all for it.
How does anyone feel about Jefferson?
He’s not exactly fitting in well in SA but his playing style could be put to good use here…
Side by side with Deng?
I don’t think so. Unless you mean we should trade Deng for Jefferson, in which case I question the logic of trading a 24 year old player for a 29 year old player with inferior numbers.
Also, Jefferson makes $15 million next year, which does not help our goal of getting a max FA
No way
I’d much rather have Deng.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
agreed.
Skiles LOVED Jefferson, so the fact that he gave up on the guy says something about his current ability.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 10, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
ugh he's looked awful
in any game i’ve seen him this year.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
We don't need Jefferson
Deng was better than him a few years ago, and now RJ’s lost all confidence in his game and is far worse and makes more money,.
Avoid RJ.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Trade Tyrus but keep Hinrich
Tyrus is a talented athlete but just doesn’t seem to want to be in Chicago. This is best for him to move on IF we get something decent for him in return. However, Hinrich should be reconsidered. I like him in the starting lineup opposite of Rose. I think he offers solid defense at the Guard position.
by South Jersey Wedding Photographer on Feb 10, 2010 12:41 AM CST reply actions
A totally unique persepective I had never considered before.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think that our shooting guard should be good at shooting as well as defense.
Maybe it’s just something I ate.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
by Prevenge on Feb 10, 2010 8:29 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
no, actually good.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 10, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 10, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
He's a career 37.8 % shooter from beyond the arc.
For comparison, JJ Redick, who everybody seems to fawn over, is at 39% for his career.
But for some reason, everybody views Redick as a far superior shooter.
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 10, 2010 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
Save one (that's half a percentage point behind)....
…every year of Redick’s career is above Hinrich’s average. Hinrich only has 3 years of 7 above his average. His best season was the “core’s” best seasons.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
But each year that he's above hinrich's average, he's only barely above his average
And Redick gets better looks since he’s surrounded by more offensive talent.
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 11, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I actually like
The way Kirk’s secondary PG ball handling allows Derrick to be more aggressive in attack mode, then he can pitch back to Kirk when that fails and Kirk can do a Kirk attack for a pass opp.
I had said coming in I thought that was our best 1-2 combo (Rose-Kirk) and that we should ahve either Salmons or Deng at the 3 (I had voted Salmons with the caveat that they battle for SF starting spot, with the idea based on last year that John fit in well with Rose at the 3 (whcih he proved he does) and Deng struggled. But clearly last year it seems Luol was hurt the entire year buy played through over half of it hurt….
But I like the Kirk and Rose combo.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Kirk & Rose
I made the comparison Kirk & Rose of VDN & Avery Johnson back in the day. VDN might see himself a little in Kirk. Add this to the list of reasons that Kirk will never be traded. (I’m okay with that.)
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Having Kirk as a 2nd ballhandler other than his slightly better than good defense is the other advantage of keeping Kirk but that still doesn’t justify keeping his salary.
We can get a decent back up PG for much cheaper than 9 mill….for example Ramon Session is likely available and we could get him for 5/6 mill probably if we wanted.
Kirk just has to go, plain and simple. No more mediocrity.
Kirk is a much better defender
Than you’re “slightly better than good” assessment.
Kirks’ our best defender on the squad….period.
I do think he’s highly priced as a much more PG than combo….but if we had an inside scoring presence, having a 2nd PG (dual PG attack) would be great….and Kirk’s strength is defense which is Derrick’s weakness (comparatively, though I think Rose has improved dramatically over last year defensively).
Sadly....through thick and thin....
That's not true. Period.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
You're so ridiculously biased against Kirk it's ridiculous.
Yes he’s overpaid, but he isn’t worthless. In fact, he’s far from it. If he was half as bad as you say he is, then Boston and LA (teams that probably have some idea of what they’re doing, since they won the last two titles) wouldn’t be trying to trade for him. But they are, which says a lot more about Kirk’s value then your unsubstantiated claims that Kirk is a bad shooter (since when is 37.8% from beyond the arc bad?) and an overrated defender.
::sigh::
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
He's not the Bulls' best defender.
He’s a good defender, but he isn’t our best.
I don’t know how that’s biased.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
I wasn't referring to that one comment
I was referring to the endless stream of irrational Kirk hate that tyger spews, and it annoys me.
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 12, 2010 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think I spew hate against Hinrich.
I think I’m fairly objective. I think you’re confusing me with someone else.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Feb 12, 2010 8:02 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Being best defender on the Bulls is like being the smartest retard at the Special Olympics.
I’m sorry but his defense has been highly overrated. He makes people work hard but he is far from locking anyone down. Also he doesn’t get away with pulling on people’s jerseys like he used to, he gets a lot of cheap fouls that the refs used to not call.
He’s not even close to the 2nd All-Defense like he was before. He is a good defender but not a great one like everyone seems to think he is.
No one
locks anyone down. That’s not how it works in the NBA. The better of a defender you are, the harder the other person has to work and the more inefficiently they get their points.
Kirk isn’t doing anything different now than he was then. Kirk’s personal foul rate is also statistically the same as it was earlier in his career. It was 3.1 per 36 minutes when he was 2nd team all defense, and it’s 3.2 now. If you’re just going to make things up like Kirk being overrated defensively, at least stick to things that can’t be dis-proven so easily.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
True, point taken...but
Listen. I’m just saying people act like Hinrich is Michael Cooper in his prime. I respect Kirk’s D, his D is pretty damn good. He maikes people work hard. I just feel that still some people still do overrate his defense which in my opinion doesn’t really make up for his subpar shooting/scoring skills.
I appreciate Kirk’s willingness to defend and his ability to be a 2nd initiator of the offense. However, I really want the Bulls to have a chance to be more than just a .500 team…moving Kirk gives us the chance to make moves to really try and acquire true stars to make us a contender.
Also regarding his foul rate, I use the eye test when it comes to watching games. I don’t google every stat…it just seems to me after the Miami series when Riley complained about Kirk, that refs call more fouls on him then before. Could be wrong.
The overall point is 9 mill is too much for an utility player. If you are the Celtics or Lakers and are a true contender and have an owner willing to pay then the salary is no big deal. If you’re a .500 teamwith a cheap ass owners with no true established stars(Rose isn’t there yet), then Kirk is a luxury we can no longer afford. Was that in good enough taste?
See that's a rational argument, and I can respect that. In fact, I agree with most of it.
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 12, 2010 12:08 AM CST up reply actions
The thing is, a lot of people on this blog have had these discussions many times already.
Sometimes we want to rehash them, sometimes we don’t. Sometimes people like to make fun of other people.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
First off, I find your anlogy to be in very poor taste
Second, you’re clearly implying that the Bulls are a bad defensive team, which is easily refuted as the Bulls are 7th in DRtg.
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