A Chicago / Sacramento trade poposal.
by illwill on Feb 8, 2010 11:28 PM CST
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PrintThis trade needs to go down simply because we have a need and they have a need. We need shooting from the SG position and they need a PG who can lead a team and defend. They also happen to need an athletic shot-blocker for their front line.
We send Kirk, Tyrus, an unprotected 1st and maybe the rights to Omer Asik in exchange for K-Mart, Rodirguez and May. The salary works on ESPN trade machine: LINK.
Why we make this trade.
We need a shooter to fill the void at the SG spot and K-Mart fits that bill. He is only 27 years old and would flourish next to a PG like Rose for the next 5 years. K-mart's contract is similar to Kirks and would still allow us to sign a max-free agent PF in the off-season. We would still have 19 to 20 million in cap-space to chase Bosh, STAT, Boozer or Lee this upcoming off-season.
Rodirguez would hold down the back-up PG spot and May would give us depth on the front line. We also inherit Rodirguez bird-rights , so he might be inclined to re-sign with us next year.
Why the make this trade,
K-Mart and Evans don't mix and they need a starting NBA PG. Unless they New Jersey is willing to swap Harris for K-Mart and I don't think the Nets are willing to give up on Harris to get another wing player, because they have like 20 SG's and SF's. Kirk brings them defense, leadership and can knock down the 3pt shot. I think he would be an ideal fit next to Evans and might even teach him some defensive intensity. The Kings have no shot-blockers. Tyrus would give them a big boost in that area and might actually thrive in a 3 big-man of Thompson, Tyrus and Hawes. Tyrus would probably have a re-birth in Sacramento maybe not all-star, but maybe 12 ppg / 8 rpg / 3 bpg numbers. We also give them Asik to sweeten the deal, who also would add a shot-blocking Center to back up Hawes.
They also get a 1st rounder that would probably be in the high teens. They have sucked this year and will probably get a high pick and end up drafting someone like Evan turner or John Wall.
Final thoughts.
This trade helps both teams. The Bulls get a SG who would fit great next to Rose and maintain enough cap-space to chase an All-Star PF. The Kings get a starting NBA PG and (2) shot blocking bigs in Thomas and Asik and a future draft pick. Imagine if we made this trade and were able to land a low-post scorer, our starting 5 would look like this:
PG - Rose
SG - Martin
SF - Deng
PF - Bosh / Boozer or STAT ?
C-Noah
We would till have Taj and JJ backing up both Forward positions and we could re-sign Miller and Rodirguez as well. I know the Bulls don't have the savvy to pull of a trade like this, but it's all right to dream I guess.
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Rose/Martin would be good offensively
But that would easily be the worst defensive backcourt in the league. Martin is even worse than BG at defense, and not to mention that Martin gets hurt every 5-10 games.
I like K Mart
but you’re right. He is pretty bad defensive player. I think the injuries worry me a lot more though. He’s gotten hurt for significant time every single year for the last three years. On the plus side, he’s a hell of a scorer and gets to the line a ton which is awesome for this team. Maybe his scoring would outweigh his bad D, but his lack of durability is a big issue to me.
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I think we'd have one of the best offensive backcourts in all of the NBA
But his defense will be a huge issue… I’d rather hold out for a shot at Joe Johnson…
If the Kings go for this, I say absolutely.
Unfortunately, I don’t think we’re giving them enough for them to say yes.
Ive been wondering
why there hasn’t been more talk about acquiring K-Mart
Why don't KMart and Evans fit but Rose and Martin do?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think because Rose
Is more of a PG than Evans
Evans and Martin are both SG's.
They simply don’t match and that is why the Kings have sucked lately. Maybee we replace Deng with Hinrich and go with a Rose / Martin backcourt (gets mad that JJ has not matured enough to replace Deng). Then in the off-season we can target Gay to play the SF spot and pick up Boozer or Lee. That actually would be a fun team to watch, but would suck ass on defence.
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I don't think either Martin or Evans are the reason why the Kings have sucked...
I would point the finger at the other guys on the team
I guess I got the typical evidence-less responses.
Comparison to last year’s Rose and this year’s Evans:
Rose assists a little more and scores a little less, but they both use the ball a lot. I don’t see any reason to think that Rose would create so many more opportunities than Evans does for Martin. Rose and Evans are very similar players, Evans is just a little bit better than Rose was last year.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think the "no fit" is overstated, I also think the Kings see this.
Martin just came back from an injury. Much like Granger, he’s struggling.
On top of that, Martin has a different team he’s coming back to. Not different players, but they are playing differently (Omar and Evans most notably). So, before they give away what was a 25ppg type shooting guard, signed at a fairly reasonably number, I think they will wait more than 15-20 games to see how he fits.
If they do make a trade, it sounds like they can get Ray Allen’s expiring contract in a heartbeat. It sounds like Dallas would give them Josh Howard, who carries a team option. It sounds like Phoenix may even deal them Amare (if they want to take that risk that he just leaves).
Nevertheless, I don’t believe they will go for Tyrus and Hinrich, even with an unprotected 1st rounder, which will likely end up around the 13-16th range. It’s ideal, but only for a Bulls fan. It’s hardly the best likely deal out there for the Kings.
Those deals are basically slary dumps, so whay can't we put together a better deal.
Howard = expiring
STAT = expiring
Allen = expiring
With this deal they actually get people they can keep and use. The only thing I think could knock us out of contention is Pax and Gar incompetence or the Nets offering Harris. Maybe the Pacers offer Granger or the T-Wolves offer Jefferson, but that’s about it. No top free-agent wants to go to Sac-town cause it sucks ( I live in California, but Chicago born and raised).
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OMG
kings Think that evans is their point gaurd…why would they sign Kirk under a 9 mill contract that does less than K-mart
Problem is that he is not a point guard and that's why they will not make the playoffs.
Wade 2010!!!!!
Why isn't he a PG?
Because he scores well? He’s a better version of Derrick Rose.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
The Kings would not be the slightest
bit interested in this. They value Martin higher than everyone the Bulls would give up.
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Dude it's just commentary
K-Mart and Evans will not work and that team just plain sucks right now. They have no one to play defense and (2) starting shooting guards. None of their big-men can defend the paint and aren’t good defenders. This is the reason bad teams stay bad, they refuse to acknowledge their weakness.
At least we know we need a low-post threat and shooting and are going to try and address in the off-season. So, they can keep their Martin / Evans backcourt and continue to be lottery bound. Besides unless youre Lebron, Bosh or Wade you are not good enough for Bulls fans they will find some flaw to not want you lol.
Wade 2010!!!!!
The view from Sacramento
I’m not sure that the Kings would do Martin for a salary dump, but they certainly won’t take on a contract like Hinrich’s to move him. The deal noted above basically straps the Kings with Hinrich, and gives them a short look at a talented but mercurial player before they have to decide to tender an offer to him. That said, Thomas would fill a big void for the Kings.
Thomas, James’ expiring, the rights to Asik and the 1st round pick for Martin, Udoka and May would probably get you closer, but I still don’t know that the Kings would pull the trigger.
And 1 – There is no doubt in anyone’s mind in Sacramento that Evans can indeed play point guard, and present some huge mismatches in his favor while doing it.
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They probably should try to get Harris for K-Mart
That would be the ideal player for the Kings, because Udrich is not the answer and Evans is best at the SG position. He only started to play the point in Memphis because the PG at the time was injured and he was the next best playmaker.
Evans is a scorer, I know Rose is a scorer also, but only out of necessity.
Wade 2010!!!!!
Respectfully disagree regarding Evans
If Evans does wind up at the 2, it will be in a Dwyane Wade/Brandon Roy capacity. Regardless of whether Evans plays the 1 or 2, his backcourt partner cannot be ball dominant. Martin, for example, is not ball dominant. He does not need a lot of touches to be effective.
At $10 million a year, Martin has value in slight excess of his contract. The Kings are young and rebuilding. Unless they can land a sure fire big man for Martin, I don’t think that they will deal him. And as enticing as Thomas’ skill set might be, he is far from a sure fire big man. He is not worth the QO for next year (or the cap hold that will go with it), so the Kings would have to renounce him and then try to re-sign him. Far too risk to give up Martin for that. And they sure aren’t going to take on bad contract (Hinrich) to move Martin.
I watched Rose extensively last year, and there are a lot of similarities between Evans as a rookie and Rose as a rookie (2nd year Rose is a significantly better PG than Evans). It cracks me up, because Evans has a better assist/turnover ratio than fellow rookies Brandon Jennings and Johhny Flynn, and no one ever questions whether or not they are a point guard.
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I don't get it either. It's whatever people's first impression is.
Evans is a better version of last year’s Rose. That was a good Rose, but somewhat inefficient scorer. Rose passes more this year, but he also scores a lot more. It’d be like Ben Gordon and Kevin Martin last year, only better on both offense and defense.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
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