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2010 Free Agency

 

I don't know about you guys, but I feel like the team is putting way to much stock in getting a 2010 free agent all-star.  It seems like in all likelyhood, the majority of the big names are staying put, and if Salmons does opt back in (at least before we sign anybody), we would have a hard time bidding against the Heat/Knicks. So what happens if the summer comes and goes and James, Bosh, Johnson, Wade, and Stoudemire all continue their lives without moving to Chicago. Do we even have a backup plan? I am really not wanting this to all explode into a pissed off Rose pairing up with Kobe in LA in 2 or 3 years.

 

 

ALSO: off topic, but didnt want to star a new thread just for this. any chance?: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygcp748

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The Bulls are likely going to sign Boozer

Boozer is definitlely leaving. the next probable guy is Stoudemire because the Suns want to save money
I doubt Bosh leaves. He is very loyal. The top 3 free agents I think that will be available are
1 Stoudemire
2 David Lee
3 Boozer
David Lee is the cheapest and is the best rebounder. He also is a better inside scorer than Boozer and the youngest.
I will say it again I think its very unlikely JJ joins another team. He is in a great situation in Atlanta and there is no reason I see why he should leave. If salmons does opt out I think a good option for the Bulls is Raja Bell and then MIke Miller or Kellena Azubukie. Bell is a terrific defender and a good 3 point shooter.

by MJ5 on Feb 6, 2010 11:08 PM CST reply actions  

Does not matter.

The Bulls have to give themselves an opportunity to be in the running for a Franchise changing player. Kobe is aging my friend. In three years Kobe will not be a top player you watch. He can barely dunk now. This is his 14th year in the league. The AI’s and the Duncans and the Kobes are starting to get long in the tooth. The Lakers might be a lottery team in 3 years.

by SoulEater7 on Feb 6, 2010 11:11 PM CST reply actions  

I doubt Kobe can barely dunk

He just doesnt get as many opportunities because he rarely gets out on the open floor as the lakers just arent that kind of team

by Poloplaya14 on Feb 7, 2010 1:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Nah not a lottery team

and the reason Kobe cannot dunk is because of his injuries and he is too competetive to sit out games. if you gave LBJ or DWade Kobe’s injuries I am sure they would be pretty affected by them too. Also take in the fact that even with all the injuries Kobe is as affective as ever. He will still be a beast in 3 years even if his athleticism sharply declines. Because he has prepared himself he has added more to his game, He has added a great low post game. His defense won’t decline that much either. Look at Bruce Bowen for example. If he could keep playing so could Kobe. The Lakers will still be a top team in 3 years. The Celtics are really old, but do you see a huge decline, no.
I also am worried that JJ could join the Celtics. Think about it they could give him Ray Allen’s expiring 18 million. He would want to join them because with him they are surely the best team in the NBA. They could also add a Raja Bell with the expiring contract of Scalabrine.

by MJ5 on Feb 7, 2010 12:35 AM CST reply actions  

JJ to the Celtics doesn't work in terms of cap space

Celtics will be over the cap, and could only make this work via sign and trade. Even then, JJ is likely to make significantly more than Ray Allen and as a result other pieces would need to be included.

by Diz on Feb 7, 2010 1:56 AM CST up reply actions  

how is jj going to make significantly more than ray allen?

ray allen makes 18 million dollars this year.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Feb 7, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

(that said,

i’m not disagreeing w/ the point that they’ll still be over the cap)

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Feb 7, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

Unless the trade is happening this year at the deadline (which it won’t because there’s no way the Hawks trade JJ this season), both players will be free agents this summer, and JJ will command significantly more than Allen.

by Diz on Feb 7, 2010 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

my bold predictions

Bulls trade luol deng and tyrus thomas to pheonix in a wtf moment for amare at the deadline….
This will set up the happenings of 2010….

First off, lebron adn wade stay on their teams….

New york signs Bosh, Lee, and Steve Nash
New york then trades bosh and evan turner (who they draft) to Chicago for amare and James Johnson
Miami signs Ray Allen and Carlos Boozer
Celtics Sign Kyle Korver
Joe Johnson is Signed by Cleavland

Rationale:
Phoenix realizes they cant do much this year and that they need to rebuild decide to trade amare for tyrus thomas a young player that they can develop and luol deng, a young player that they can utilize to remain competetive, while releasing amare. This also works out due to kerr and paxsons friendship…

IN the offseason amare ends up with the knicks as the knicks and d’antoni try to recreate his offense but a better version, with steve nash, chandler, amare, and lee…which is actually a good way to recreate it…

ray allen is let go by the celtics, but they sign kyle korver, basically their title run is near an end, but they try to remain competetive and get younger…

Cleavland finds a way to sign joe johnson to be scottie for lebron (not a bad plan)

miami tries to recreate what they did with shaq, with boozer and ray allen making an inside outside attack with wade finishing off everything in his path…

ehh im playing gears of war while typing this so i lost any train of thought i had….so ill explalin things later or something…bah

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Feb 7, 2010 12:44 AM CST reply actions  

Ummmm.....no!

1) As stated below, Nash is not a free agent.

2) Why would Pheonix trade a better, younger player (Bosh) for an older one with an attitude problem (Amare)? And why would they want James Johnson??

3) Celtics have no cap space, and thus won’t be able to sign Kyle Korver unless it’s a sign and trade or the MLE

by Diz on Feb 7, 2010 1:54 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Knicks won't have that pick to draft Evan Turner

Utah has their pick

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by bigballa10 on Feb 7, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

The Knicks

gave their 1st pick to the Jazz

by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 8, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Pretty Sure

You’re way off base with that prediction.. For one Nash isn’t even going to be a free agent this summer. He signed an extension with the Suns before the season started.

by Ceasaleo on Feb 7, 2010 1:23 AM CST reply actions  

Top agents or not

we will be better next year with free cap

by JustAnotherFan on Feb 7, 2010 7:45 AM CST reply actions  

I'm thinking we make a run at Wade and Bosh and hope to get lucky.

We end up with Joe Johnson and Carlos Boozer, who both sign for about 14 to 15 million a peice. When (1) ring with that team and blow it all up 5 years from now when Rose will be 26, Deng 29 and Noah 29. Rebuild around thoses (3) and hope to win more rings.

Homecoming

by illwill on Feb 7, 2010 9:19 AM CST reply actions  

actually the celtics could sign him they have and I added this up

31,397,030 million in expirings. They could easily sign Joe Johnson and other guys.

by MJ5 on Feb 7, 2010 11:35 AM CST reply actions  

Doesn't work that way.

The celtics (lower case intentional) will have $41,812,528 committed to 2010-2011 salary IF Paul Pierce opts out, which is very unlikely. Add Pierce’s $21,513,521 and they are at $63,326,049 which is about $8M to $11M over the expected salary cap. So the only free agents the celtics could sign would be for “soft cap” exceptions, e.g. LLE, MLE, veterans minimums.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/boston.htm
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

We miss you, Ben Gordon!

by Granny Waiters on Feb 7, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

hahahaaaa

Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.

by Illini15 on Feb 7, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Best case scenario:

Assuming Wade and James do not leave their current teams…

1.) Bulls deal Hinrich, Jerome James and change before the deadline for either Ray Allen or Tracy McGrady ( I like Ray Allen better, as he spreads the floor for Rose, but McGrady when healthy is better at almost everything else).

2.) Salmons opts out of final contract year to sign a mulit year deal before the new CBA kills his chances at big bucks and a 3-5 year MLE contract. Tyrus is let go.

3.) Bulls end up with near max cap space for 2 star FAs. Bulls recruit and sign Bosh and Johnson.

4.) Bulls pick up a couple of cheap contracts for the bench (I like either CDR or Anthony Morrow; could also sign Ray Ray for less money. Unrestricted free agent Duhon would be, as always, a decent back up point guard if you could sign him for a mid-level contract; Luke Ridnour is another decent option).

5.) Your 2010-11 Bulls starting 5/ Bench:
Rose/ Duhon or Ridnour
J. Johnson/ CDR?
Deng/ James Johnson
Bosh/ Gibson
Noah/Asik/Miller?

by Carlitro on Feb 7, 2010 11:36 AM CST reply actions  

They won’t get Bosh AND Johnson…

In this scenario the Bulls would NEARLY have cap space for 2 max FA’s, but they’d have to get one at a discount (presumably Johnson) for it to even be possible. While it is conceivable that Johnson may take a little less money to play with Bosh and Rose (if the Bulls could lock up Bosh early) we certainly couldn’t count on either part of that working out.

Even if we somehow got Bosh, AND got Johnson to sign at a discount, we’ve used up ALL of our cap space already. We have nothing to sign real players like CDR, Morrow, Ridnour, etc., for the bench. Whatever the Bulls do, and whoever they trade away at the deadline, they will NOT get more than ONE max FA…PERIOD.

by kingles on Feb 7, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree that we won't get 2 max FAs

But it’s not inconceivable that we get bosh or stoudemire with a max deal and still have 6-8 million left over to sign ra Allen or Manu ginobili. Tha would be it though as far as FAs

by Poloplaya14 on Feb 7, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

THAT is a reasonable scenario

by kingles on Feb 8, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Sorry to all about my post

i honestly have no idea where my head was at when i posting the comments…at some point it all made sense? ….too much 2k10 in the brain, coupled with lack of sleep, work, and trying to play gears of war with a migraine….again sorry about my post, i wish i could delete it….

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Feb 7, 2010 12:23 PM CST reply actions  

I think you've built up enough good will

This is classic

ehh im playing gears of war while typing this so i lost any train of thought i had….so ill explalin things later or something…bah

"I skim a LOT of what gets said here
in a race to put in a smirky retort."
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by Jamaicanpi on Feb 7, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I did say "best case" scenario...

Nothing is impossible in my scenario, just unlikely. The Bulls could certainly get under the cap enough to get 2 max FAs (I tend to think of Bosh and Johnson as second tier players, so 15M is max). It would hurt cap flexibility, but it’s not impossible.

I predict that players union reps and player agents will put the fear of God into the less-than- elite players that under the approaching CBA, the era of Isiah Thomas-style money for mediocre to good players is over. I think this off season is going to be whirlwind as agents try to get their clients multi year deals.

Another reason why Salmons opts out and second tier players take less that max deals. And there are always cap exceptions too (MLEs, Bird exception in a sign and trade or in the case of Tyrus, bi-annual etc.).

If we got Bosh and Anthony Morrow and/or CDR, I’d call that a good haul. Rose, I’m beginning to believe, is the real deal: elite athlete, elite scorer, elite distributor (ok 2 outta 3, with potential).

by Carlitro on Feb 7, 2010 3:26 PM CST reply actions  

Bosh is a second tier player? What planet are you on?

He’s arguably the best PF in the NBA, and if it weren’t for Tim Duncan, it wouldn’t be arguable.

The only way we’d be able to get room for 2 max contracts is if we moved Hinrich and Deng, traded our 1st round pick and Salmons opted out. And at that point we’d be the equivalent of the Nets in terms of talent, so nobody would even want to come here.

by Poloplaya14 on Feb 7, 2010 10:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Deng goes in a sign and trade..

Not unreasonable at all, especially if a team knows they can’t keep their superstar, they’d rather have Luol Deng then nothing.

Hinrich & Salmons should be gone this season. Deng traded in the summer.

by Grinder in Training on Feb 8, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

This is true

But you need to find a team willing to take on Deng’s contract. Easier said than done. And I would hesitate before pulling the trigger on something like Deng for Boozer or Johnson. Deng’s only 24 years old, a lot younger than any of the 2010 FAs. Deng will likely be a far superior player to somebody like Joe Johnson or Carlos Boozer in 4 years.

by Poloplaya14 on Feb 8, 2010 7:33 PM CST up reply actions  

PS: NO STOUDAMIRE!

2 Micro fractured knees and a detached retina? Aw hells no…I’m even iffy on DWade givin his injury history adn style of play (balls to the wall).

by Carlitro on Feb 7, 2010 3:30 PM CST reply actions  

By those set of rules we should just play 12 minimum contract guys with Rose and play it safe and profit.

A lot of crazy stuff flying around in this thread.

I think the worst case is that we end up with Boozer or Joe Johnson. I’d prefer Joe Johnson and trying to trade for a good PF down the line. There’s always players available, it’s just figuring out how to get a good value for them that is the actual tricky part.

It’s not like we had a better plan than to try to pick up a good player this summer. Who are we going to trade for preseason or during the season to build ourselves a legitimate contending team? Signing BG and paying tax wasn’t going to do it, even trading for Amare likely won’t put us at that status quite yet. We would still need a solid SG and our health to have a realistic shot at coming out of the East. And that’s all that matters. We don’t want a team like Atlanta or Miami last year. There’s no difference between what they did and what we did last year, we both failed and didn’t even sniff a chance at a ring. That’s the bottom line, we need to aim higher, especially with the type of franchise we have.

by RyPac13 on Feb 7, 2010 10:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay...

Stoudemire hasn’t had knee problems in the past 4 years and the detached retina was a freak thing.

Also, if youre iffy on wade, who the hell do you want?

by Poloplaya14 on Feb 7, 2010 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Given that he mentioned injury history & style of play

Probably someone who isn’t hurt as often, or falls down as much.

Joe Johnson would be the reasonable guess.

by Grinder in Training on Feb 8, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

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