Hawks 91, Bulls 81
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 5, 2010 10:08 PM CST
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Print| Pace | Eff | eFG | FT/FG | OREB% | TOr | |
| Chicago | 86.0 | 94.2 | 43.4% | 19.7 | 23.1 | 16.3 |
| Atlanta | 105.8 | 48.9% | 5.7 | 31.1 | 9.3 |
Awful 11-point 4th quarter for the Bulls, who actually had a second half lead. Vinny then went small and it hurt him, but to his credit he did go back to the full starting lineup to close the game, but it's not like Miller and Taj can do much against the Hawks frontcourt.
Hawks absolutely dominated the glass all night. Bulls were able to stay in the game through some aggressiveness in their guards and poor shooting from Atlanta's, as 7FTAs from Hinrich has to shatter his career high (alright, more than just hyperbole on that). Unfortunately the free-throws were nullified by the Bulls going 0-10 from three as a team.
Do I bother with the VDN-Tyrus thing? It's a running joke by now, which fits our coach I guess (and the player a bit too, Tyrus' played an awful first-half stint). We did get a new example of VDN-coachspeak thanks to the ESPN huddle microphone: "PLAY!"
So there was that. And a ridiculous Rose alley-oop finish. Not much pleasantness to come heading into this break. They are so much poorer when they're not fully-healthy, it's remarkable.
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They are extremely worse off when they're not healthy
But the fact of the matter remains, this game was very winnable on the road against an extremely talented and athletic team.
This loss belongs to VDN, not to the injuries
well, VDN didn't become a good coach recently
the injuries give him less margin for error.
But yeah, I thought the Bulls could steal this one, the Hawks were not playing well offensively (way too much iso, is that the Joe Johnson way? hmmm).
Needed Rose to step up but he couldn’t get things going and had zero help. One play Rose had a path to the basket but instead of drawing contact he kicked it out to Miller, who wasn’t in position.
Those offensive boards they gave up in the 4th killed them. Miller+Deng+guards is a purely offense lineup, and nobody was shooting well enough (especially Salmons who is the lone bench guy in that scenario) to warrant that. When Taj came back in the game it was too late.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 5, 2010 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
Just because we're used to Vinny sucking
Doesn’t mean we’re still not aloud to say he cost us this game
That Rose play in the 4th killed me because it was out of a time out.
So, Vinny obviously drew up a “Rose drive hard, Miller settle at the 3” despite their game-long crapulence from the arc.
A veteran in that scenario puts up the layup once in the air, Rose does the “right” thing and pases to Brad, who wasn’t even ready for the pass.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 5, 2010 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
yes! the joe johnson way is the way of the iso, so prepare yourselves!
it works best when he does the magic/oscar back-you-down into the free throw circle, where he’s just too tall and dangerous with his options for most average sized defenders and traps.
he began the game very hot on hinrich (salmons also proved to be useless on joe). the one good thing vinny did do was have deng check him, but they were already down double digits.
"Let's do some living... after we die"
Bulls law of averages:
After every winning streak, there’s must be a losing streak
"You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless! You gotta hope even more, and cover your ears and go 'bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla!'"
It's not even so much the Tyrus thing really
It’s that this was a winnable game and VDN made all the wrong moves once again to give the other team a spark. Josh Smith himself said the turnaround came when they were able to get 2nd and 3rd chances and that’s from a small lineup with a gassed Miller (who played 40 minutes tonight!). If you have a healthy, athletic player at your disposable that can match up with the opponent, you’re a fool not to use him. TT didn’t help himself much on offense, but he did a good job guarding Josh Smith and keeping them of the offensive glass when he was in there. It’s not like Salmons was playing well enough (on either end) to justify being in instead of a big…any big other than Miller, not just Tyrus.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
plus it's not like Miller and Taj don't have mistakes either
Tyrus really was a goof in the first half though one offensive board he stood with the ball while Rose was right next to him, but instead realized he was open 22 feet away (there’s a reason, Ty) and launched. No excuse for that, and no doubt VDN doesn’t see the need to deal with it.
But a better coach would, since the team desperately needed something to match Atlanta’s athleticism.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 5, 2010 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
you can't tell me
that atlanta wasn’t looking for thomas’ presence in that “awful-first half stint” though! bottom line:
brad miller >>>> 40+ mins, 5 rebs, 10 +/.
tyrus thomas >>>15+ mins, 4 rebs, 1 +/. (despite two 1st “stint” goal tends, where only one was legit.)
vinny del negro > dumbass.
"Let's do some living... after we die"
damn, minus bracket format shortcut strikes again. that's a plus/minus of -10 for the bradass, -1 for the elevator.
"Let's do some living... after we die"
The "Preview" button is your friend.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Feb 6, 2010 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
Here are a few things Hubie recommended that we've NEVER done under VDN
- Have Derrick push the ball on makes/misses, even if he ends up going 1 on 2 or 3 (alas T. Parker)
- Incorporate movement in the offense when the ball goes into the post (happened when guys were standing around with Deng and/or Fish in the post a few times)
- You can’t go small against ATL in a game where your guards have been shooting poorly
- When in doubt, take the ball to the basket (in contrast to our love of a long 2s)
- A young team needs to force the action and get 25-30 FTAs/night
- When Atlanta (namely JJohnson) brings the ball up the court, you should know that his first move is to take his man one-on-one. If he has a smaller man on him, he’ll immediately look to post him, so you must bring the help sooner to force the ball out of his hands.
Those were just the first things to come to mind, but Hubie was in a groove tonight. That happens when poor coaching give you material to work with.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
by PeteRoc on Feb 5, 2010 10:22 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
it was nice to listen to a real broadcast.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 5, 2010 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
listening to hubie made me happy to hear real live basketball analysis
something that is very rare on TV. it also made me long for George Karl or a real NBA coach working with the Bulls next year. The fact that Rose has to spend 2 years “learning” from VDN – “play, attack, PLAY” – makes me question if management is 100% committed to winning.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 5, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
Poor coaching decisions
killed this game. How can Brad play many minutes tomorrow night when he played 40 tonight?
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
We really missed
a healthy Joakim tonight.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
haha
I mentioned the ‘PLAY’ thing on twitter, and Peachtreehoops had this to say
i mocked Woody’s “defend, rebound, and run” mic’d up segment until i realized he was a regular Obama next to VDN.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 5, 2010 10:28 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
LOL
“Play! We’re playing! Play!”
"You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless! You gotta hope even more, and cover your ears and go 'bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla!'"
That is classic!!
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
LMAO
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
So...Devin Brown is working out nicely.
It’s like he ate Pargo and now embodies all of his sucktitude.
This line from a movie, television show or other piece of popular culture pretty much sums up my entire personality.
by ScottieG33 on Feb 5, 2010 10:29 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
heh, yeah
I think playing with Chris Paul may have helped him a bit.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 5, 2010 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
He did have a nice charging foul+pass to Taj.
And a hard foul from a Bull! That hasn’t happened since Noce’s sweet passing.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 5, 2010 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
Devin Brown is trash.......I see him finding a permanent seat on the bench
with his minutes going to Derrick/Kirk/Fish
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
I see Brown being the STARTING SG after Kirk and Salmons get dumped for expirings…
Of course this is only one possible future, there are other less apocalyptic possibilies.
NO!!!!
I agree that Salmons needs to get traded, but please, Devin Brown starting hurts my basketball feelings.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
I don’t think Brown is THIS horrible.
He was averaging 24 min. for the Hornets, so he does have SOME ability. If the Bulls get back Ray Allen(doubtful) or TMac(very doubtful), or at least Vujacic or Tony Allen they’d have some options.
When they’re new backup guard combo of Pargo and Hunter start getting significant minutes…THAT will hurt EVERYBODIES basketball feelings.(hopefully they could get a decent PG back like Farmar or something)
It's getting really ridiculous with this Tyrus thing now
He only played 15 minutes tonight, when Noah is out, against a team like Atlanta. While Miller is logging 40 min. It’s ridiculous.
"You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless! You gotta hope even more, and cover your ears and go 'bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla!'"
I just don't get how he doesn't realize its in his best interest to play TT
Everyone knows he was dealt a poorly constructed bench this year. If/when TT plays well, he does enough things that it gives the team a chance to win games. Winning will mean job security for him.
I don’t care what kind of crap makes the rounds about Taj. He’s not a difference maker. Hell, he’s battling the foot bug himself. Why can’t he understand that playing TT may mean more wins?
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
Tyrus better get a lot of playing time tomorrow, Miller won’t be able to play much…
I can’t believe that VDN is this stupid… I couldn’t believe a PLANT is this stupid. I can’t help but wonder if VDN is, ‘driving the bus’ (or is capable of driving a bus). As ambiguous as his position is (he couldn’t even get a vote of confidence from Gar after the winning streak), are Garpaxdorf TELLING VDN to limit Tyrus’ minutes for some reason?
by kingles on Feb 5, 2010 11:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure seems like it. VDN’s initial directive seemed to be to give TT and Jo more minutes. There’s no reason to limit Tyrus now.
by El Toro de Goro on Feb 6, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
i cant believe hinrich once took 22 FTs in an NBA game. derrick needs to get his act together on this front.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Ha ha
Yeah I was floored when I saw that. Not only that, but he still only had 26 points!
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
shocked me as well
Michael Sweetney started that game.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 6, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
I refused his answer the first time and demanded Sam grew the balls to ask him straight up about Tyrus
This is what I got in his response . . .
we ask him
he ignores the questions
he hates tyrus and doesn’t care what management thinks because they won’t back him
Classic
by Option27 on Feb 5, 2010 10:51 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
ahhhhh. thats the sweet closure ive been looking for. thank you, option.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Wow
That actually explains a lot.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
"...because they won't back him"
does the “him” refer to Tyrus or VDN, because, it could refer to either. Its funny to think these two are having this tense lockerroom death match and neither will be here next year.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 5, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
probably for $1 like Duke & Duke in the movie “Trading Places”!
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Whoever loses has to make the next public appearance
by wjb1492 on Feb 5, 2010 11:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LMAO
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
I hate you,
you hate me,
we’re a dysfunctional family NBA team.
(Sung to the Barney theme)
why is he the coach?
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Feb 5, 2010 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
If I was an NBA coach, I’d play the DEVIL to keep my job…
by kingles on Feb 5, 2010 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
of course you'd play the devil
he averaged 30 pts and 10 rebs in hell. And strangely enough, he passes more than Deng
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 5, 2010 11:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
30pts. and 10rebs.?
If we send Bennie the Bull to meet him at the airport this summer, we might convince him to sign with the Bulls as a FA. How about this lineup:
Noah
Satan
Deng
JJ
Rose
Now that’s a mean starting 5
by kingles on Feb 5, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't the Bulls play against Satan
in one of those horrible radio ads?
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Feb 5, 2010 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you
Who cares about anything as long as they can help you win the game! This is totally idiotic these last 3 games.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
What if his bosses actually think more of him because of how he treats Tyrus?
That’s the scary thing. Vinny can and will be replaced, Gar Paxdorf…….ugh.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 5, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
nice
so he’s actively willing to sacrifice games cause he hates one player on the team. awesome.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
it really is consistent to his character
It’s not surprising when you look at how defensive he is all the time.
Amare just did something nasty.
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I think I hate Reinsdorf more than I hate Krause
by Yibs on Feb 5, 2010 10:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Just watching Josh Smith
It really makes me think what kind of player Tyrus would be if the previous coaches let him play through mistakes and he got plenty of playing time throughout his career.
Jon Barry even got an insult at Vinny, wishing out loud Rose could be taught by D'Antoni.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 5, 2010 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah he did quite a bit of that
wondering aloud why they play halfcourt ball at all when they have Rose and why they run pick and roll with him when they could just iso him instead.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Typical BS
Paging Noah?
“You don’t fill voids like that,” Del Negro said. "Joakim has had a tremendous season. He has a great spirit and energy about him. You never want to lose any of your players but especially your starting center.
Not one mention about Tyrus’ minutes in the article
And tell me if there is any logic in this "whole article"
ATLANTA — Asked twice pregame about Tyrus Thomas’ minutes possibly increasing in light of Joakim Noah’s injury, coach Vinny Del Negro basically talked around it.
Here’s why: Thomas didn’t play more.
Del Negro sat Thomas the entire second quarter after a first quarter in which he goaltended two shots, had a crosscourt pass intercepted for a Maurice Evans fast-break dunk and attempted a running left-handed hook shot.
Thomas had four points and four rebounds in only 10 minutes against a Hawks team with which he matches up well on paper.
I can’t tell if you are being sarcastic or not…I thought it sounded fair…Tyrus played like an idiot in the first quarter…that running left handed hook shot had me cringing!!!
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
That wasn't a hook shot, more of a shot put.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 6, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Watching the LA-Denver game.
It’s not fair to compare the Nuggets to the Bulls, but you watch them play and they run on almost every possession, even if it doesn’t result in fast break points. They know the Lakers have a huge front court advantage, so they’re pushing the ball in transition, getting a ton of 3s in rhythm.
The Bulls just walk the ball up and down. You get the feeling Rose wants to push in transition, but there’s just no “thrust” to the team unless he’s the guy who can finish the breaks.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, and I'd kill to get him in Chicago.
But, do the Nuggets honestly feel like they can do better than Karl? Melo and JR Smith have made huge strides under him despite the personality clashes.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 5, 2010 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
I was on a flight with him at Christmas
I know it sounds crazy, and I have no idea why he would be on a commercial flight up to Portland instead of traveling with the team. But he was just in front of me and across the aisle. He broke down film most of the flight (which was some cool in flight entertainment!), then once he had to shut the laptop down started talking to his neighbor about his game strategies. It was fun listening to a “real” coach explain what he goes for -
I don’t know, maybe Vinny sounds like that off camera, but it was far from the soundbites we get of him.
"maybe Vinny sounds like that off camera"
Somehow I doubt it
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
I honestly can’t picture Vinny talk the way he does in huddles as he does outside of them.
Phil Jackson sounds like a ditz in huddles, but you know he isn’t.
I tend to agree with that
but then Vinny sounds like that in press huddles too
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 6, 2010 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
"Hello...Tech Support?"
“I think this laptop needs some more thrust.”
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
by bigballa10 on Feb 5, 2010 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Watching this Lakers game
They interrupted it for what’s ahead on Sportscenter . .
First mention
Coming up on Sportscenter, Derrick Rose with a couple of moves you’ll have to see to believe
I'd rather have Ty Lawson.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 5, 2010 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
VALIDATION
(omg who carezzzz)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 6, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
It's just fun to point out because at least he's getting some air time
The more air time, the more popular. The more popular, the more all star votes in the future. The more all star games, the more all star calls and etc etc etc
I gotta hand it to Sam
He read the emails and ran with them . . .
Vinny’s probably going to have to close his eyes and hold his nose. But he’s going to have to play Thomas now. Look, I’m no big Tyrus fan of his fundamentally poor play and indifferent effort at times, as anyone knows. But it was obvious the Bulls needed Thomas, or at least to see if Thomas could produce in big minutes, when Elton Brand was dominating Gibson in Wednesday’s loss in Philadelphia. And especially against the unusually athletic Hawks, who are so big and diverse they are one of the few teams who rely on switching most screens on defense because their big guys are so quick and athletic.
http://blogs.bulls.com/chicago_bulls_blog/2010/02/bulls-continue-on-losing-arc-without-noah.html
i dont even care anymore. lose these games leading up to the break, realize this team sucks, and
trade kirk and john for expirings.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
and since the lakers backcourt got completely destroyed in a blowout loss to a conference rival,
maybe the lakers will be more amenable to a kirk for expirings trade.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
I don't know if they wanna take on that much money.
But yeah they do need a starting PG. They won’t be landing Devin Harris. Nate Robbinson is rumored but he doesn’t fit the triangle. Hinrich is perfect for the Lakers. But they have to take on the contract.
Actually, Chicago had this game in my opinion until the start of the 4th when Vinny trotted out that small lineup and refused to put any rebounders in the game. Heck he could have even put JJ in the game to do something instead of going small like that.
the clippers "had" their game in hand against ATL, but they were eventually squashed by a vastly superior club.
same with the bulls.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
We are so screwed if we dont get a strong 4
God, it all makes sense now. I had epiphany yesterday watching the game. The bulls built through the draft, which is a good thing in most cases. when espn showed our team through the draft i really realized that every single person on this team is so mediocore. For us to to win the bulls have to almost have the prefect day but that to somehow will not prevent us from getting our ass kicked by below 500 teams. Why is deng not cutting to the basket anymore i just cant understand. he is supposed to be the 3 and he has been know for his slash/drives to the basket. everytime this team takes jump shots it kills me. D rose really has to work on his defense. God my ulcer is getting really bad
Bulls NBA CHAMPS BY 2010
what i don't get is those stints where they ran post ups for deng (or anyone else, or that matter) or isos
but no one was cutting or even moving, despite atlanta double teaming the ball at times!
though hubie and jon barry perpetuated the “jump shooting team” thing, i thought they were scoring in the paint well this game, when things were going well, that is.
sure, they can get a strong 4, but it won’t make enough of a difference if they still have a coach with his head up his arse full time.
"Let's do some living... after we die"
I get these game notes in my e-mail from Bulls.com
and in notes for tonights game against the Heat was this brilliant nugget from Vinny: “We wasted, I thought, a pretty good effort,” said coach Vinny Del Negro. “Too many (Hawks) rebounds. Too many second shots. We hung in there. But in the fourth quarter they showed why they’re one of the better teams.”
Yeah Vinny, you think? I’m starting to hope they keep losing if for no other reason than to fire this bozo. I was in the camp that didn’t think it would make much difference (if he was fired) but this stuff is just too obvious.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
vinny just loves loves loves him the fish, bradass, taj... and kurt.
weird… and dumb.
i don’t mind the “attack, attack!” and “just play guys, play!” cotton fitzsimmons was famous for his hoarse sideline in game howls of “attack!”, and he was a pretty great coach. (but since i’d heard plenty of vinny’s linguistic deficiencies as a radio commentator, i did and do wonder about his communication abilities.) the killer is seeing that he possesses zero vision and very little anticipative awareness (… playing miller 40+ in a game when he doesn’t match up, knowing? he has the second of the back-to-back tonight where he matches up much better against o’neal????)
his timeout calls seemingly indicate that he really wants them to play controlled. (that and refusing to play tyrus more than 6 mins at a time anymore!) so, despite the “attack, attack!”, i wonder if he doesn’t also love it when rose pulls out of those transitions all the time.
"Let's do some living... after we die"
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