Sixers 106, Bulls 103 (OT): How to kill a winning streak buzz in two days
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 3, 2010 9:43 PM CST
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| Pace (Poss) | Eff | eFG | FT/FG | OREB% | TOr | |
| Chicago | 90.6 (100) | 103.0 | 48.8% | 22.1 | 22.7 | 17.0 |
| Philadelphia | 106.0 | 55.2% | 12.8 | 22.5 | 15.0 |
Joakim Noah not being at 100% is a real problem. In playing only 27 non-beasting minutes tonight it forced the rest of the Bulls frontcourt to step up, and they decidedly did not. Brad Miller shot a decent percentage but not enough production overall with 1 rebound and 8 points in 33 minutes. Taj Gibson may have had his worst game of the season, with not only zero points and one board in over 15 minutes, but simultaneously got demolished by Elton Brand. There's been reports of injuries for all 3 of them, and they certainly looked like they were playing their second game in less than 24 hours .
Defensively, without Noah patrolling the paint with his usual activity, it pressures the Bulls individual defenders to not get beat so often (as either a hobbled Noah or a normal-footed Brad Miller won't be there to compensate), and in addition to Taj's struggles, Luol Deng played solidly but was ultimately beat on too many posessions by Andre Iguodala. A lot of Iguodala's shots were tough, but while Luol is a very good team defender he can be exposed when facing more athletic wings (in fact the Sixers are an athletic team period outside of Brand+Dalembert), and that happened tonight.
(It seemed like a perfect opportunity to get Tyrus Thomas more time, but he only played 15 minutes as VDN went small (3 guards+Deng+Miller/Noah) down the stretch. Not exactly new strategy for VDN, but he hadn't been using it as much as last season, and it was especially odd tonight given that Tyrus was extremely productive when he did play, getting 12 and 6 in those minutes, and I don't think any were jump shots. He could've helped especially on the boards, where the Bulls allowed several key second chance opportunities in the 4th and OT. But the burying of Tyrus Thomas is a season-long story, and it's tough to specifically complain more after a tough loss when the same thing happened on the 5 game winning streak and through most of the season. I suppose that Noah's (and Taj for that matter) foot problems should force VDN to play the guy, but he doesn't trust Thomas (he doesn't leverage the positives Tyrus can bring, but he's also not a good coach) and there's certainly no organizational pressure to overcome that. It's a sad time to be a Tyrus fan, there's no real hope for him here. I can just sit back and sigh when fans call him an idiot and worthless, then follow his play on some other team next season)
The defense was the story tonight because offensively the Bulls actually were not 2-pointer reliant. Derrick Rose got to line 10 times (though he deserved a couple more in OT, some of it is avoiding contact, but jeez...) on his way to a 30-point night, and the Bulls hit 8 three-pointers, led by Salmons going 4-7. On the perimeter the Bulls were more than making up for what Iguodala was bringing from the Sixers, it was that big frontcourt, like the Clippers the night before, that killed the Bulls.
And with Noah hobbling, Taj the same (or just not that good), Tyrus exiled, and Brad Miller coming off of his fantastic couple of weeks to where we can reasonably expect him, it may be a struggle every night, even against teams like the Sixers.
Devin Brown watch: 0-3 in 10 minutes. Heck, Jannero Pargo could do that. Though at least Brown doesn't need to dribble his way into bad shots.
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for a while i was only half paying attention and i thought devin brown was jj. the turnover, dumb foul sequence and the airball 3 certainly remind one of jj though.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
NOW thinking that Grey for Brown wasn't such a good deal!
I would have rather seen them play with 4 guys on defense and leave Grey to stand on the offensive end so he wouldn’t have to run/jog/walk.
Bulls are in trouble.
I was worried about this month and actually the rest of the season has a heavy amount of back to backs. Six in Feb and I believe after tonight 11 for the rest of the season.
As far as tonight.. they really need a stud next to Rose. Thats all I know. He bares too much responsibility.
I’m back to not caring about wins but rather moving Fish, Deng and Hinrich’s contracts in whatever way possible.
i guess the back-to-backs hurt but look at march. its pretty bad.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
yeah the rest of the season is grueling.
Thats why I didn’t get so excited over the road trip. Thats why I’m ready to tear this down. Couple weeks fingers crossed.
i was happy because they need wins. its why this 2 game fart is lousy.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
i kinda like it tho
its forcing rose to step…and even if he doesnt win the game by himself, its neccessary reps. Kobe had and needed his..so did MJ. Next season Rose will appreciate a 2nd star and be smarter cuz of the experience
I wish someone in the media
had the balls to call Vinny out on his refusal to play TT.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
dont do this to me sean... not you.....
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
yeah not playing TT
is basically making me not want to watch a couple of games. (Actually, I might be at the heat game at the UC sat.)
a couple of points in response
- i think Dalembert is athletic
- Not playing TT when Taj and Noah are hurt/sucking, is ridiculous. And there is absolutely no excuse. VDN is not giving TT a fair shake, and it really pisses me off. Of course, the Bulls never gave TT a fair chance to begin with. Just trade him so I don’t have to see this shit for the rest of the year
- Taj was just destroyed by Brand, but he shouldn’t have been guarding him for so long. Noah is our best defender, he should be playing the other teams top low threat. Especially since Dalembert doesn’t have an offensive game.
- Is the entire 3rd paragraph suppose to be one parenthetical? Weird.
- Devin Brown needs to play with Rose if he is going to be effective at all. The spot up shooter needs to play with people who generate open jumpers. You would think that would be basketball 101, but we are going through VDN’s 2nd year of on the job training, and he is still struggling anytime any slight change or adversity is thrown his way. I don’t think VDN knows how to use Brown (or TT or JJ or Pargo, but that is a different story).
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 3, 2010 10:14 PM CST reply actions
Maybe Bulls are tanking the season??? Gar was scouting Kentucky Sat
I think Incompetent Bulls Management has been more successful with draft picks than free agent signing.
They have 2 other lottery picks besides Wall
Demarcus Cousins and Patrick Patterson will be lottery picks as well.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
I exept Wall to make 1 to 3 visits to the UC next year
in a visitor’s jersey.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Feb 4, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Seems to be a better passer and shooter.
And a dumb hand dance.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 4, 2010 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
to be honest...
i’m really not a TT fan, however, you gotta feel for the guy. If he doesn’t get playing time in a game he is playing well, Noah is obviously injured, Taj sucked, and it was an OT game. please just trade him.
tyrus's first shot
iirc, was a jumper… but i think that was the only one.
but yeah, i was wondering why the hell he wasn’t in. against brand/dalembert, luol wasn’t enough. that was crap.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
again, help D on post players is a TT specialty. why wasnt he used?
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
It's the same old story
Usually though the Bulls have Joakim besides Derrick to help us pull out games VDN doesn’t belong in but Derrick clearly can’t do it alone.
Tyrus, man. It just isn’t right.
Derrick needs HELP!!!!!!!!,
go get Amare, somebody that can help with the scoring load, management needs to go get a difference maker, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 4, 2010 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
so i have the game recorded on dvr
are you saying not to watch it?
we went out for pizza after the game. -dave wannstedt
by BULLieving in Miami on Feb 3, 2010 10:34 PM CST via mobile reply actions
i think you should watch, but thats because i care more about derricks performance than team Ws.
his second half was pretty sick.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
true
and i am previewing on saturday, so maybe i should watch at least one of this team’s games in prep for that task.
we went out for pizza after the game. -dave wannstedt
by BULLieving in Miami on Feb 3, 2010 10:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, watch the Rose 2nd half goodness, then just shut it off when it goes to OT.
think of it as a tie.
April 2010
Bulls miss out on final playoff spot by half a game due to tie.
we went out for pizza after the game. -dave wannstedt
by BULLieving in Miami on Feb 3, 2010 11:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
As much as I've given up on TT.
VDN was stupid not to put the guy in when you have an injured Taj. It’s just common sense.
REAL GOOD, Hinrcih had
a good game, but his 10PPG 38% FG and $9mill, diclining skills, isn’t cutting it, this team is what is win 5 in a row, and piss it all away w/ a 4-5 game losing streak.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 4, 2010 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
Prepare for a 5 game losing streak
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I think I hate Reinsdorf more than I hate Krause
by Yibs on Feb 3, 2010 11:15 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I don’t think Pargo could shoot only 3 times in 10 minutes…
If VDN wouldn’t play Tyrus in THIS game, the Bulls need to trade him NOW. They need help in the frontcourt with Noah and Taj hobbled, and Miller being not so young. Tyrus could provide it but they wont let him, his value is dropping because of it. It can’t be doing much for his piece of mind either(or mine).
I'm tired of trying to defend Tyrus after every Vinny brain cramp but tonight's
malfeasance woud land him in the slammer if he was a public official instead of just exposing himself once again as a unqualified mediocrity posturing as an NBA coach .
The Bull’s interior defense was practically non-existent in the 4th quarter and overtime with their help defenders and shot blockers keeping the bench warm. If Rose didn’t almost single-handedly bail out our resident dim bulb with hair, his inability to make offensive adjustments would expose the farce of his hiring for what it really is…(a playbook filled almost exclusively with blank pages). Does anyone doubt there are not hundreds of coaches whether at the high school or college level who couldn’t come up with better game plans than this stubborn novice?
The Sixer’s bigs dominated the boards while Noah, TT and Taj sat on the bench. Meanwhile our developmentally challenged slow learner apparently never noticed that Miller grabbed only one rebound in 30 minutes of inaction. Tyrus made the fatal mistake (in Vinnys eyes) of performing at a high level which he sees as an attempt to undermine his coaching decisions (I let all my guys play through their mistakes).
The final straw and overriding fear would be allowing Tyrus to be out there with the game on the line. Vinny would stroke out if Tyrus made some spectacular plays on either end that might lead to a Bulls victory in the final quarter. To him it would be like the equivilent of the head of the Flat Earth Society discovering the blue planet actually is round which would then make him look like a fool and probably get him in hot water with the suits as well.
The question I would like to leave for other BaB observers to contemplate is….
When the Bulls win, is it because of Vinny or is it in spite of Vinny?
We report, you decide.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 3, 2010 11:55 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
you had me at "exposing himself".
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
VDN refuses to make any type of an adjustment at the end of games
i don’t know how the Bulls are 4-1 in overtime games. In each of these games, from about the 8 minute mark on he refuses to substitute or run more than a high pick and roll. At the start of overtime, shouldn’t we have gone back to our starters? The Sixers had Iguodala-Brand-Dalembert on their frontline; we matched up with Salmons-Deng-Miller. No wonder we couldn’t defend the paint. And you are totally right about Miller. He was doing nothing on the boards.
VDN can’t bring himself to pull Kirk or Deng from a game, unless of course one of them is hot, like he did in the 1st half with Kirk. Hinrich scored 2 pts after halftime. 2 pts! And he wasn’t exactly taking Green or Williams out of the game. Yet VDN stayed with Rose-Hinrich-Salmons-Deng-Noah/Miller until the game was already decided.
And do the Bulls have any 4th quarter plays besides the high pick and roll? After the Bulls ran it 25 times in a row, Philly finally got a feel for how to defend it and than the game was pretty much over. Although in VDN’s defense, it doesn’t seem like anyone other than Rose can make a play at the end of the game. Though, that is all the more reason to go with a line up that has a chance to grab an offensive rebound.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 4, 2010 2:12 AM CST up reply actions
Having Rose masks a lot of team problems
even VDN learned to just clear out and give him the ball (eventually)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 4, 2010 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
You're right on with your analysis B Smurf, but lets not exaggerate
You said the Bulls ran the pick and roll 25 times in a row, when in fact it was only 24 times in a row.
When the White Panther, Aaron Gray was asked if he told his new team, the Hornets all the Bulls plays before their first encounter, he admitted he did, saying the only real play they run is the high pick and roll to Rose or just get out of the way for Derrick. At first, I thought he was just kidding, but now I’m not so sure.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 4, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not even a Tyrus fan
But come on, anyone can see his impact on the defensive side of the ball. It was there in the second half of the Clippers game too, when the Bulls made a run with Tyrus defending the rim and even hitting a jumper on the break and on the move. As soon as he went out, Davis, etc. had nothing to stop them anymore.
With Noah and Taj basically crippled, and Miller not much use on the defensive end any way, the answer isn’t to go small. Or just play Tyrus at center as a defensive anchor and go small around him and with him.
It’s been an interesting seven games.
Vinny’s actually been pretty good over time about playing the right people — benching Gooden and Hughes ultimately last year, playing BG even though he was exiting, benching Salmons this year, finding a use for Miller again lately.
The Tyrus thing goes deeper than they are going to let him go. Vinny and staff just don’t like him and are tired of having him around. Let’s see if Vinny plays him to save his job, because plantar fasciatis isn’t going to go away and neither is the gaping hole in the center of the Bulls defense….
Thomas is an average player in the NBA.
As bad as his offense has been this year, that shows how great his defense has been.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
He's still should
have been on the court longer the last few nights
Abso-friggin-lutely
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
That's all spot on.
Tyrus was playing well. We were getting demolished down low. Miller, at this stage, is nothing more than a jump shooting center – can’t defend and can’t rebound. Both of which Tyrus can.
If we’re not going to use him, trade him.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Feb 4, 2010 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
Don't forget
Miller can also get to the bucket.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 4, 2010 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
Vinny has no common sense.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
In spite of VDN.
When the Bulls win, is it because of Vinny or is it in spite of Vinny?
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Feb 4, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
It seems obvious that the Bulls win in spite of VDN…
Yet, when their razor thin bench, and assorted injury/health issues are considered are they really underachieving? This is the odd part to me. While Vinnie rarely(never?) seems to help them win, and periodically seems to cause them to lose(like to Philly), their record seems about right under the circumstances. If Vinnie say had cost them 5 wins, that would mean they’d be 28-19 with a good coach. I think I value their talent higher than a lot of others here do, but all things considered I don’t think they’re THAT good.
Is it possible that Vinnie is bringing something to the table that I (or pretty much everybody else) can’t see?
(3 guards+Deng+Miller/Noah)
If the Bulls keep putting this crap out on the court, they will be bound for the lottery once again.
It seems like VDN likes to play to the opponent’s strengths.
- Elton Brand too strong for Taj? Put Deng on him.
- Dalembert too athletic for an injured Noah? Put Miller on him.
What kind of thinking is this?
Your first mistake was assuming Vinny was actually thinking when the heat was on.
You can shine a flashlight through his ear and a bright light will come out of the other side.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 4, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
I was told by the mouth-breathers that Tyrus Thomas got minutes when he played well.
I guess they were wrong?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Feb 4, 2010 8:18 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Since some of us can see how dumb Del Negro is, can we stop assuming that he's a great teacher that Thomas isn't listening to?
He’s probably not listening, but I’d have a hard time listening to that coach, too.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I don't think any of them listen
I do think the rest of the team is more self-motivated than Tyrus
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 4, 2010 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
After hearing Vinny repeat his 10 favorite cliches off his cue cards, he has nothing else to add.
So why listen to something repeated so often, when they all can recite his spiel by heart.
Attack, attack
Keep thrusting
run, run
share the ball
play D, rebound
play with energy
play all 48 minutes….(no, I didn’t mean you, Thomas…go sit down and stop looking at me when I call a time-out. There’s no way I’m going to risk having you in a game when I can put 3 guards on the court any time I want to, and now with Brown, I could ratchet it up to 4), etc.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 4, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You forgot
Make basketball plays
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
by bigballa10 on Feb 4, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
this is sort of off topic, but id like to mention again that loul deng is most effective when he
runs off screens, catches the ball within a dribble or two of the basket and finishes around the rim, which means you have to run plays for him. the guys who gave him 71M know this, yet they hired a coach who doesnt run plays. thats incompetence.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
I hope they didn't give him $71m figuring he'd never be able to create for himself
but in the meantime, yup.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 4, 2010 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
i mention this also because if ray allen comes here....well... doesnt he need plays too?
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Welocome back to reality.
I just hope that this bad stretch will make clearing up cap space innevitable.Maybe Kirks 2 points in the second half will reduce his “untouchable” status even in eyes of Paxdorf?
And VDNs stuborness with Tyrus and general stupidity…is become so obviouse that even Sworski and Vennington said that TT should have been playing more yesterday.
Why all Bulls beat writers don’t call Vinni out on that?I understand that “party line” and everything but come on now,it become laughable!
Hope he is gone after this seasoon.
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
by Azabullsfan on Feb 4, 2010 9:53 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Don't
forget, Lou Williams was blowing past him too
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 4, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
Did you really just call him Vennington?
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 4, 2010 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
Looks like I did.
I keep telling myself :Don’t drive and text!-)
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
There's no need to apologize.
I understand that Dirk Novitzki also calls him Vennington.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 4, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah and what you said was the key
“And VDNs stuborness with Tyrus and general stupidity…is become so obvious”
What Tyrus bashers don’t get is that it’s not really even about Tyrus. It’s about an organization so hell bent on screwing over the #2 pick in the draft that they are willing to lose games to prove a point or something. That should bother ALL Bulls fans. Because it lets you know that it’s not all about wins and losses with them.
At least quit playing the media game with the kid. Making it seem like he’s not playing because he’s not where he’s suppose to be. I’ve heard media say this all season and it’s really BS and insulting to fans. I know what I’m watching out there. If he’s so bad that you can only play him only 15 minutes even when he’s in the process of putting up a 20/10 game then what the hell? Go ahead and have some balls and “Marbury” him and don’t play him. But by pulling this vindictive stuff like yanking him regardless of his performance, you’re not even making him a tradeable option. So what’s the point?
It’s stupid and it lets you know that organization does not deserve the benefit of the doubt when judging Tyrus or any other talent.
Interesting thing to start
http://bullsbythehorns.com/?p=1595
I decided to start tracking the actual results on a game-by-game basis. Last night, Vinny called a total of nine timouts.
1st timeout: Thomas scored a layup (Rose assist)
2nd timeout: Luol Deng hit a 15-footer
3rd timeout: Deng nailed a three-pointer (Rose assist)
4th timeout: Brad Miller knocked down a jumper (Rose assist)
5th timeout: Rose missed a 5-footer
6th timeout: Rose missed a tough 18-footer at the end of regulation
7th timeout: Bulls commit a shot clock violation
8th timeout: John Salmons scored a layup (Miller assist)
9th timeout: Kirk Hinrich turned the ball over
So five of the timeouts resulted in a score, two were Rose misses (the second of which was a bit of a wash) and the other two resulted in costly turnovers in OT.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 4, 2010 10:32 AM CST reply actions
And that shot clock violation
wasn’t completely their fault since the refs didn’t call at least one of the two fouls that were committed prior to the ball going out of bounds.
thats amazing, im so used to his timeouts resulting in bricks and turnovers.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
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At this point
I just want Tyrus gone. It has absolutely nothing to do with him, I’m just tired of seeing him on the bench at times when it’s glaringly obvious that he could be useful. They aren’t keeping him….I get it! So cut him or move him but don’t just bench him regardless of his production. That’s not sending the right message to anybody and it drives me crazy. I don’t want to see this kid ruined anymore than he already is. Just get him off this team please for his sanity and mine.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
I actually agree
with your overall summary. If they aren’t going to use him, then get something for him.
You know what really grinds my gears…
The fact that they could ‘showcase’ him for a trade. He was a top 5 pick for goodness sake. Drive up his value. Don’t bury him.
he would have to do some pretty amazing things to appreciably boost his trade value at this point.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
I understand that.
But obviously the Bulls aren’t helping. The team that would look at him is a team like Boston or Orlando who has enough scoring punch and needs a guy to shore up the back end of their defense.
For all the hate Tyrus receives, he is a difference maker on defense. That’s exactly what the Bulls needed last night. A rebounder and a defensive presence.
We all know the offense is going through Derrick. So when Lu is gun shy, and letting Iggy drive to the basket instead of letting him shoot a 20-footer, is Lu that much of a better option than Tyrus at that point?
Honestly
all he would need to do is play consistent minutes every night and the rest would take care of itself. He’ll have spectacular games and a some duds thrown it, but overall, he would be productive. I’m sure there are teams out there that know what he can do when he’s out there.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
ive wanted that (which i dont think was asking much) for years. im just saying he has 2 weeks to go now, and would have to put up 20-20 games till AS break to boost his value.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
I hope TT is a 22/12/3/2/3 player
next year for a good team.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Feb 4, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
So do I
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
I'll settle for 15/8/3/2/2
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I want TT in the 2011 All-Star Game!
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Feb 4, 2010 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
Can we at least drop the stupid meme, "As Tyrus Thomas goes, so goes the team..."
???
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
philly buddy with season tix said TT spent the entire
4th Quarter yelling at a fan who was heckling him
Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.
-- Scottie Pippen
by Orlando Woolridge on Feb 4, 2010 2:13 PM CST reply actions
I bet he was,
he probably told the fan “Trade for me now!, and I’ll spare you another year of Samuel Dalembert”.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 4, 2010 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think Vinny is getting enough blame for this loss
I get this picture in my head of Vinny just yelling “HIGH SCREEN AND ROLL” during timeouts and not bothering to explain or draw anything up whatsoever.
I live in Milwaukee and watch the Bucks run the exact same thing, but their plays don’t end with Jennings having to finish at the rim with two defenders in his face. Instead, buys like Luke Ridnour and Ersan Ilyasova put up career highs because Skiles works to get them open shots.
How about running Luol or Kirk off of a screen and trying to get them an open shot or at least a mismatch? What’s the point of having them in the game if they’re just going to stand on the perimeter and watch?
The Sixers made some ridiculous shots in that game, but that’s no excuse for our offense stinking the way it did.
by darksmokepuncher on Feb 4, 2010 3:11 PM CST reply actions
whole lot of dumb comming out of Vinny last nighto.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
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