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The new-look Bulls? They're terrible

And anyone who says anything otherwise is an idiot.

In a game billed as the Clash of the Flips -- and if you think the Murray/Saunders thing wasn't a total mindfuck for Neil Funk, you are sadly mistaken -- the maddening, rudderless Bulls made an unwelcome reappearance in the third quarter of Monday's 101-95 loss to the Washington Wizards.

What a difference a day makes.

In the first game after their most impressive performance of the season, the Bulls went from looking like a team destined to rise to the fifth seed in the East to a group that will shit themselves right out of a playoff spot.

Which is why you don't make judgments based on one game. The Bulls are now 2-1 since the trade deadline, but after such a stellar effort Saturday against the 76ers, who the hell were those guys in the Chicago uniforms against the Wizards?

They were a flawed team, which is exactly what these Bulls have always been. And that's not going to change with the acquisition of guys like Flip Murray and Hakim Warrick. A few observations:

1. With Tyrus Thomas gone and Joakim Noah limited, the Bulls just could not match up with Washington's athletic frontcourt.

While they had all kinds of trouble dealing with Wiz forwards Al Thornton and James Singleton -- Wait, did I really just type that? -- the Bulls had absolutely no answer for Andray Blatche, the 6-11, 23-year-old power forward who's finally getting an extensive look with Antawn Jamison now on the Cavs.

Despite the horrendous first-name letter sequence, Blatche has always played well when given the opportunity, and he's really taking advantage of the increased playing time. Counting Monday's 8-for-13 performance, he's now 41-for-69 (59.4%) from the field in the four games since Jamison's departure, averaging 25 points and a touch over 10 rebounds while the Wizards have gone 3-1.

As Blatche had his way with the Bulls for 25 and 11, I kept thinking, What ever happened to that long, quick power forward we used to have? He might've matched up well against him.. But it wasn't just Tyrus' absence that was the problem. The Wizards bigs were just far quicker, which is one of the downsides of the Luol Deng-Taj Gibson-Brad Miller trio.

And it's also part of why you saw 6-foot-3 Flip Murray getting a lot of minutes at small forward, with Deng sliding over and playing the 4. The other part? See 3A and his inability to recognize what is working for his team on that particularly day, or adjust in any way.

2. Despite the loss, the new guys actually continued to make solid contributions.

Murray and Hakim Warrick were the Bulls 2nd- and 3rd-leading scorers with 16 and 12 points, respectively. Both shot over 50%, and Warrick somehow continued to do his best Tyrus impression by blocking two more shots.*

* Not that the rejections will continue, as I'll take 350+ games of career data over the past two, but they've clearly been the karmic result of people like me Chicken-Littling the Bulls' loss of blocks..

Murray, meanwhile, made the Bulls' biggest shot, a 3-pointer that brought them within 96-95 (after they had trailed by 13 with a little over five minutes to play) with 1:54 remaining. Unfortunately it would be their final points. Because:

3. The old standbys faltered.

A. Coach Vinny Del Negro reverted back to being coach Vinny Del Negro.

As a 10-point lead turned into a 5-point deficit in the first eight minutes of the third quarter, Del Negro refused to do anything until the momentum had shifted completely. The following is an actual sequence of Bulls' possessions in the third:

Derrick Rose misses 18-foot jumper
Luol Deng misses 6-foot jumper**
Kirk Hinrich misses 19-foot jumper
Taj Gibson misses 19-foot jumper
Derrick Rose misses 18-foot jumper
Brad Miller traveling
Taj Gibson traveling
Kirk Hinrich traveling
Andray Blatche blocks Brad Miller's layup
Kirk Hinrich bad pass (Randy Foye steals)

** Even this, the one shot in there that actually seems good, wasn't, as Deng drove into a triple team and threw up a two-footer from two yards away as he crashed into a positionally-established JaVale McGee.

In that horrendous 10-possession stretch -- let me highlight the three travelings in a row, in case you missed that -- Vinny did not make even one substitution, nor did he call a single timeout. Not that the timeout would've helped, because as he proved in the fourth quarter, he still hasn't come up with one goddamn decent play.

After calling a 20 with a minute to go trailing 100-95, the Bulls ran no play whatsoever. Instead, all five guys stood around the perimeter, and Deng and Hinrich each considered shooting before swinging it around to Miller for a missed 3. Actually, it wouldn't surprise me if that was exactly how Vinny drew it up.

Then following a full timeout still down five with 26 seconds left, the Bulls took 12 seconds before getting a shot off, a pretty good look from Murray in the corner. But it was like they thought they had 26 minutes. How can these guys take so long when they're down that much with that little time remaining? Vinny should've just had Jannero Pargo in there, because for once his penchant for shooting contested 27-footers off the dribble with 19 seconds left on the shot clock would've really come in handy..

B. Kirk Hinrich somehow became incapable of making 53.2% of his shots, as he had done over the previous four games.

I never would have guessed that Hinrich would suddenly cool off. I mean, who could've predicted that a terrible shooter would shoot terribly?

And Hinrich is a terrible shooter, of that there can be no argument. Now granted, his form is picture-perfect: The ball looks great coming out of his hand, with nice rotation and textbook follow through. Everything is exquisite but the end result -- the things just do not go in. Hinrich has a .414 lifetime field goal percentage, has never hit as many as 45% of his shots in a season, and has only twice shot over 42%. I know it screws up the narrative, but HInrich had not been shooting well recently because of improved chemistry/spacing/ball-sharing the trades brought on; rather he was just a lousy marksman enjoying a hot streak. Which meant he was due for a regression to the mean -- in this case 2-for-7 (although he was 2-for-3 on 3s).

While I still think Hinrich is ideally suited to be a (ridiculously overcompensated) third guard, I am warming to him a bit as a 2, something I originally couldn't stand. Sure, the Bulls could do better, but when you have a shoot-first point guard -- and that's what Derrick Rose is (while he's not in the Monta Ellis, I'm-just-gonna-get-mine category, he ain't Jason Kidd either) -- it's good to have someone that's a ballsharer in the backcourt with him. Plus with Rose's D still, um... a work-in-progress, that makes Hinrich's contributions on that end especially valuable.

Now if only he could shoot like Ben Gordon.

4. Neil Funk was intentionally sharting on my ringing endorsement in my previous post.

"And there's going to be a timeout by Vinny Del Negro as the Bulls stop play as the Wizards go on a run to open the third and get to within four after trailing by 17."

The Bulls biggest lead was 12, at 50-38 and 52-40. I have no idea where those extra five points came from; perhaps Bulls guard Flip Saunders scored them.

In Funk's defense, his performance was much better than the team's. And he did later correct the mistake. Of course, that came right after he called Murray 'Flip Saunders' which, incidentally, he also corrected.

It just wasn't a particularly good night for anyone associated with the new-look Chicago Bulls.

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The pictures + captions alone deserve the rec

I’m just going to bypass BaB and go directly to your site

The mania is still runnin' wild and the madness still flows through the veins.

by The Mega Powers on Feb 23, 2010 6:11 AM CST reply actions  

Thank you Mega

But please read my Bulls posts here, and go to my site (if you want) for the rest of it. BaB has been nice enough to let me have such a self-serving username that I really want to build readership here; besides, I won’t be posting to my site until at least a day later. All I care about is getting my stuff out there, and it feels great to have so many more people seeing my work.

by MrSportsKnowItAll.com on Feb 23, 2010 8:37 AM CST up reply actions  

That's what you get when you....

A. Hire garbage to coach your team (even though you had from Christmas until June to find a coach), and

B. Make deadline trades every year, in which you trade away the guy you just traded for the year before.

A + B = C (A Bulls team with no vision or direction).

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Feb 23, 2010 7:19 AM CST reply actions  

Ok Agreed on part A

But last year’s trade helped us make a run towards the playoffs and free up cap space. This year’s trade (the Salmons one) ensured that we can sign a max free agent. I am not sure I like the plan, but by now there seems to be one in place.

by DRose01 on Feb 23, 2010 7:30 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

.500 Baskball looks like this ... never get too up or too down.

I see that you started off with a “mea culpa” for reacting to quickly to their nice performances the first two games… but then after saying " which is why you don’t make judgments after one game" you go on to make judgments about a bad game.

I think its easier to sum up a game like last night by saying……

This game was a definition of an around 500 NBA team. A team is gonna go on a run, then let the other team goes on a run, and then whichever teams gets hotter at the end or is less hindered by their team’s deficiencies wins 1 of 82 games.

The Bulls offense got stagnent in the 3rd as the Wiz got hot … and Derrick couldnt save the poor rebounding effort ( which is why Noah’s health for end of season is very important). You don’t want timeouts cause Vinny can’t draw up plays at important junctures…. and Neil is gonna screw up players and scores.

by Jscho316 on Feb 23, 2010 8:59 AM CST reply actions  

I didn't make judgments

Following either game. I praised them after a game in which they deserved it, and criticized them after one where they played poorly. After the Philly game, I certainly didn’t think the rest of the season was going to be all milk shakes and daffodils, but their play had been praiseworthy so I gave them some.

As I see it, I’ve made three judgments here:

1. The Bulls are a flawed team
2. Vinny is not a good coach
3. Kirk is a terrible shooter

And none of them are based on this game, the last three games or even this season, as much as the last several seasons. Alright for Del Negro, only the last two years, though even when he was an executive, I would occasionally get a tickle in my nose that indicated he would be a horrendous coach.

by MrSportsKnowItAll.com on Feb 23, 2010 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed on all

3 points, especially point #3

by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 23, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

So...

you chide others for reacting optimistically to the two previous games by stating: “Which is why you don’t make judgments based on one game.”

And then you proceed to do just that. A bit inconsistent, eh?

Of course the Bulls are a flawed team; who claimed otherwise? And obviously a sub-standard (or absent) Noah leaves a huge defensive hole inside. But while Thomas is a serious shot-blocker, let’s not overstate his loss.

the Bulls played poorly pretty much throughout the game, and VDN was, in my view, the main culprit in the loss.

by badnewsintennisshoes on Feb 23, 2010 9:22 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

No let's overstate Thomas loss

Since others wanted to understate the loss. MrSportsKnowItAll.com was just stating an obvious point, that the Bulls are lacking athleticism on the front line and lost this game primarily because of that. So in that case being a serious shot blocker can’t be overstated.

But I do agree that Vinnie had a huge role in this loss as well. he stuck with Deng way too long last night and actually should have gave JJ a little more time in the game.

by Dils on Feb 23, 2010 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

unfortunately...

with Noah reduced in minutes and effectiveness, the Bulls lack bulk in the middle as well. Much as I like Taj, his body is not sufficient to handle the big, strong PFs.

by badnewsintennisshoes on Feb 23, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Noah's pretty thin himself

Our ‘bulk’ is basically Brad miller now [and has been for the last two years-ish]. ><

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Feb 23, 2010 8:56 PM CST up reply actions  

He put on a lot of muscle over the summer

If he keeps working that hard in the weight room, I don’t think bulk will be that big of an issue.

by Poloplaya14 on Feb 23, 2010 10:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I like to dare both you and mancrush...

that you won’t make a comment about TT for 2 weeks. Do you accept? lol

by T.Moore on Feb 23, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

As long as you agree

to put off the planning of the Taj Gibson induction to the HOF celebration. Do you accept? lol

by Dils on Feb 23, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

As long as I have MrSportsKnowitAll and Dils covering my back

and projecting truth to power when needed, I can relax, sit back and just enjoy the jousting with no need to interject my 2 cents worth every time a crack in the armour appears.

Dils just keeps pounding away with those short jabs, while MSKIA delivers devastating knockout blows filled with humor and insights, so I’ll try to control myself for once, as painfully difficult it is not to mention a certain ex-Bull who has averaged 5.77 blocks per game since he was freed from Vinny’s doghouse. I don’t believe for a second that the Bulls missed (name I dare not speak) last night as Blachte pulverized the Bulls, but I felt even more certain that Vinny once again demonstrated you need to do more than yell attack and play when close games are on the line.

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard

by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 23, 2010 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, correction needed. I meant to say 5.77 blocks per 36 minutes by whathisname.

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard

by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 23, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Right...

but of course you failed to mention that he is also averaging 3.6 Turnovers, 5.8 Personal Fouls, and a whopping 2.2 Offensive Rebounds during the same 36 minutes. Too bad they don’t keep track of goaltends.

There is no question that TT is an elite shot-blocker, and he has the potential to be one of the best ever. But his shot-blocking ability no more defines him as a player as the statistics that I’ve just listed. He is a composite of strengths and weaknesses, though you wouldn’t know it listening to some on this blog.

And the notion that the Bulls are destined to decline because TT is no longer on the team is obviously premature at best.

by badnewsintennisshoes on Feb 23, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Fill the blanks whateverhisnameis has averaged 12 rebounds in his 3 games with the Cats

Not bad for somebody coming off the bench, especially when you factor in it was a team high.

His last 2 PF’s were deliberately committed to stop the clock with under a minute to play with his team trailing. Subtracting those 2 brings his PF rate to 4.88 slightly higher than Taj’s SEASON AVERAGE of 4.78 but much higher than (name not to be mentioned’s) season average of 3.65, which if my math serves me correctly, is much lower than TG’s.

Nowhere did I claim the Bulls would decline because " " is no longer on the team, but I definitely think the Bobcats will improve by adding him to their roster, despite the loss of Flip and Acie.

Yes Mr. blank was in at crunch time again for the 3rd straight game. What an incompetent boob Larry Brown must be, especially since he’s known as such a hard ass and hates young players because he doesn’t trust them. He must be getting senile since I still think 23 isn’t old.

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard

by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 23, 2010 9:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I goofed up again the 12 rebounds should have read per 36 minutes.

I really am growing weary of defending my namesake, but you guys just keep insisting on bashing him even when he’s doing well. Dills please take the baton, I’m running out of gas.

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard

by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 23, 2010 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Thus isn't about "bashing" TT...

it’s about pointing out how biased your perspective is.

by badnewsintennisshoes on Feb 23, 2010 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you for illustrating my point...

which is that you tend to spin statistics to serve your immediate purposes. In your post above, you use the narrow context of TT’s games with Charlotte to highlight a stat which bears no resemblance to either his season or career averages. And yet when I use the EXACT SAME CONTEXT to point out some less flattering statistics, you backpedal and change the context completely.

Look, if you want to use statistics as the foundation for a point or argument, that’s fine. But your post above is a classic example of how NOT to use statistics, unless your goal is to misinform readers.

by badnewsintennisshoes on Feb 23, 2010 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I already wrote a very long post using season statistics on over 20 categories to back up my points, entitled In Defense of Blank

You were the one who used the "narrow context of 3 games with the Bobcats to denigrate him (low offensive boards, high turnovers and personal fouls). All I did is counter it by using the same 3 games to challenge your conclusions. If you had read my previous long detailed post, you would have noticed the only area where Gibson came out ahead for the season was in # of turnovers and offensive rebounds. Every other measurement went to “you know who”.

I neither backpeadaled or changed the context. I stayed with the context you presented. I agree that sometimes posts demonstrate a clear example of how not to use statistics, unless the goal is to misinform readers, which I believe described what yours just did almost to a T.

The original post referenced only last night’s game in which the Bulls were dominated up front, which is why I mentioned that a better help defender and shot blocker might have made a difference, especially with Noah not being 100% and with so many saying the team is better off without " ". I’m trying to abide by T. Moore’s dictum.

The main point, which you did not respond to is that my boy is playing when all the chips are on the line in his new environment, where with the Bulls, he never got a chance to either succeed or fail when it most mattered. Larry Brown is giving him that chance, and I know LB has light years more basketball savvy than our fearless or should I say, clueless leader.

We both want the Bulls to win and I think you would likely agree with me that a knowledgable experienced coach would be a good way to take the next step in a positive direction, something we sorely lack at this time.

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard

by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 23, 2010 9:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm afraid that...

you have a chronology problem. I responded to your post above in which YOU used the narrow context (i.e. 5.77 blocks, etc.). I responded to YOUR post. How is it that you imagine me being the one to first use that context?

Secondly, you too often spin statistics in an effort to buttress your case for TT. In fact, you’ve just done it again. You say that:

“If you had read my previous long detailed post, you would have noticed the only area where Gibson came out ahead for the season was in # of turnovers and offensive rebounds. Every other measurement went to "you know who".”

The problem is that this is both false and misleading. It is false in that Taj’s FG% is significantly higher. Gee, I wonder how you could have missed that insignificant number? It is misleading in that while it is technically true that TT has a higher DR% than Taj, it is .4% higher (per 36 minutes). That means that TT averages pulling down ONE more defensive rebound than Taj every 90 MINUTES of playing time. Do you consider that to be a meaningful distinction?

I do agree with you that we have a serious coaching problem, and that TT now has an opportunity to show what he can do in a very different environment. I actually wish him well.

by badnewsintennisshoes on Feb 23, 2010 10:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought my rebuttal may have been the last word, but this will be my final TT defense on this post. If you need to fire one more shot accross my bow, I'll read it but I've declared a truce. You've got your facts wrong again.

Althouth its not all your fault. Tyrus fell behind on FG% but is now ahead once again .493 to .488, which is miniscule. Your statement which is no longer valid was that Taj had a "significantly higher FG %. It couldn’t have been too significant because it only lasted one game. In case you’d be interested, I think Tyrus is going to come out ahead for the year. Why you ask?

He struggled early, which would be expected, missing all that time with a broken arm and the long layoff. But check this out.

Prior to 12/20 Tyrus hit only 48 of 116, a % of 41.0. Since then he’s converted 70 of 124 an outstanding 56.5%. And need I remind you, Tyrus was the Bulls most accurate shooter from 17-23 feet for the season.

During the same period, Taj, whom I respect for his lunch pail ethic, but will never be in love with, has made 64 of 139, while shooting much closer to the rim, a % of 46.0.

Thomas is far ahead of Taj in steals, blocks, assists, PER, Eff Rating, WIN rating, Simple rating, and every defensive rating by a significant margin as well. He’s also farther ahead than you stated in defensive rebounds, prior to tonight 7.73 -6.12 and just slightly ahead in total rebounds. In fact, Tyrus is the only player in the top 10 in steals and blocks,with nobody else in top 40 in both those categories. Defense, defense.

Why not just accept that Taj is having a good year for a rookie but he’s not as good as Tyrus and never will be in my opinion, especially now that he is being tutored by a knowledgeable coach who has allowed him to play EVERY MINUTE in the 4th quarter since going to the Bobcats, and this is a guy known for having zero tolerance for young players and dumb basketball. As NBA observer noted, it took Larry Brown only 48 minutes to see Thomas’s value, while our dipwad psuedo-coach is incapable of recognizing that raw talent has to be nourished, not punished and remains as clueless as he’s always been.

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard

by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 25, 2010 12:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I was using...

this “player comparison”, and thought that it was comparing this years stats, rather than including (in TT’s case) career stats. I made the mistake of not choosing the singles season filter. My bad:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=gibsota01&y1=2010&p2=thomaty01&y2=2010

So, Taj is far ahead of TT in FG% based on career stats. You argue that TT’s percentage will improve from this point on. Perhaps that will be the case, we’ll see.

by badnewsintennisshoes on Feb 25, 2010 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Rec for awesomely confusing metaphors!

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Feb 23, 2010 8:57 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

and i rec u

for being u….

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Feb 23, 2010 10:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for the MLK complement piccolomair

For I too, dream of the day a man will be judged by the content of his character (and his bball skills), rather than by the biases of certain BaB posters and media shills .

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard

by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 23, 2010 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

C'mon man

Give us your I have a dream speech!!

by T.Moore on Feb 25, 2010 7:06 PM CST up reply actions  

heh

the way i thought of the comparisons was mainly i was thinking of the civil movement (cuz this blogging nation seems torn on tyrus, and kirk, and deng at times, and anyone not named rose and noah) and tyrus mancrush, just the way he approaches the arguments, is in a very non violent, passive aggressive way… while in contrast often times i think (this is all to me so its not like its some consensus reasoning) come on a bit stronger, more aggressive in defending or deterring any comments made about tyrus or ben gordon, and also i was watching the boondocks (not the boondock saints) at the time…

I dont know who bobby seale is, i gotta say american history is nowhere near my forte, but yea being perhaps the two more outspoken individuals especially on the tyrus front…thats who i compared you guys too…

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Feb 25, 2010 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Malcolm X? I'd say more like Bobby Seale.

Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2010 8:44 PM CST up reply actions  

seriously

whos bobby seale?

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Feb 25, 2010 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

i actually wikid it right after i posted

and asked myself why i even posted the question to begin with when google is right in front of me….thanks though…

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Feb 25, 2010 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I was hoping the TT talk was done...

Here’s the problem with comparing TT and Taj…

…neither is a stud.

Thank goodness we can finally be done with the ludicrous Tyrus love and move on. The fact that y’all are going tit for tat comparing him to a solid, but unspectacular player like Gibson shows how unfounded the Thomas embrace has been. Taj has been a pleasant surprise. He will have a long, solid, but unspectacular career. Thomas too. Enough already. He proved that the Bulls were wrong when they made the trade.

And Warrick, who is also a solid, but unspectacular player will plug into TT’s spot nicely. Tyrus is a freakishly athletic player with no instincts. Hakeem is a freakishly long player with decent instincts. He won’t have TT’s thunder dunks, but he won’t have his incessant turnovers either. In my book, that’s a step up for a rental player.

by jmogs on Feb 25, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Taj

But I know that he won’t be an allstar. You are talking about Wilbon

by T.Moore on Feb 23, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Murray Saunders = Charley Rosen?

USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 23, 2010 10:23 AM CST reply actions  

May you please post less?

I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite

by Super-Structure on Feb 23, 2010 11:01 AM CST reply actions  

Why?

all of his posts have been good.

Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

by bigballa10 on Feb 23, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Some consolidation would do him well.

I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite

by Super-Structure on Feb 23, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Why?

I’m with bigballa10, they have been great posts, why would you want less? It was nice that you said please though.

by Jeff Ullrich on Feb 23, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

No one is

holding a gun to your head forcing you to read his posts.

OK I don't know shit about basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Feb 23, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't see what guns have to do with anything.

Are there massages and well-wishes propelling the support?

I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite

by Super-Structure on Feb 23, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

i've enjoyed his posts.

since you’re not ruler of the internet, your best option if you don’t want to see his posts is…don’t read them.

by M 80 on Feb 23, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Given your command, I have now found the true ruler of the internet

and the large M-80, held to my head, demanding that I leave.

I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite

by Super-Structure on Feb 23, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah dude, i demanded you leave.

if you left, i wouldn’t be able to laugh everytime i read your sig.

by M 80 on Feb 23, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I am only joking.

I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite

by Super-Structure on Feb 23, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

there's recs.

USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 23, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Those are his, not hers.

I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite

by Super-Structure on Feb 23, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you bucking for a massage?

Because it’s not really my thing, but if a happy ending would garner your support, I suppose I could oblige.

by MrSportsKnowItAll.com on Feb 23, 2010 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Your offer combined with your redundancy,

certainly gives you the force and timbre of a politician.

Anyway, I actually enjoy your posts; but repetition weighs the mind with the same and obtrusion can make the reader move back rather than down.

I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite

by Super-Structure on Feb 23, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Repeating something makes everything look similar.

A large amount of something can make navigation of that thing difficult.

Kracauer made an interesting criticism of photo, calling it the ‘detritus of objects’ or the ‘total inventory’ of things. By contrast, the memory image contained, at least to him, truth and history; that which broke through time and was not constituted of it.

I would say I have a similar criticism of you. An inventory of time, the repetition and freezing of time as a continuum serves the purpose of logging and of replacing the transparency of something singular with something more general. However, it doesn’t have any truth and it doesn’t have any history.

Does that make any sense?

I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite

by Super-Structure on Feb 23, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Also, in general, I am just poking at you

and your new celebrity.

I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite

by Super-Structure on Feb 23, 2010 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

isnt writing an article in praise of the new bulls followed by an article trashing the new bulls

the opposite of repetition?

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Feb 23, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

look at the recommended posts sidebar

the rest of the readership here clearly disagrees with you.

mr k. it’s always a good sign to see a reader that can put foot in his mouth and say “whoops, my bad.” i don’t think people get the somewhat humorous nature of your post title compared to your last post.

keep it up!

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by anorexorcist on Feb 23, 2010 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

You want hinrich to shoot like ben Gordon?

You mean the guy shooting barely over 30% from beyond the arc? Hinrich is a good shooter. His career 3 pt % is very good. However he’s not good at getting to the rim and finishing, which is why his his fg% is low.

by Poloplaya14 on Feb 23, 2010 11:46 AM CST reply actions  

Are you sure?

Because I could of swore BG was a career 40% 3pt shooter and that’s including his worse shooting year, you know the one year you decided to pluck to prove your point, which is this year. Also he’s a career 44% shooter overall. Kirk’s best 3pt% year at 41% is barely above BG’s career avg. Kirks a career 38% 3pt shooter and even that is below his own career avg this year at 37%. So yes has been a good shooter, the problem is that he’s only been decent lately.

by Dils on Feb 23, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Thtas kind of been my recurring point for this entire season

Kirk is shooting below his career average. So is ben. If you want to be an idiot and focus solely on this seasons results, you can’t call BG anything but a mediocre shooter. But kirks career 3pt % is very good. Gordons is even better. So let’s stop with the Kirk is a bad shooter arguments because they’re wrong.

by Poloplaya14 on Feb 23, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

kirk isn't really a bad shooter persay

he’s got a pretty nice jumper, and as you noted, his career 3pt % is pretty solid. kirk is a bad scorer though, because outside of the open jumpshot he really has no other way to put the ball in the hole

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by Calogero on Feb 23, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess you all

don’t see all these open jumpers he misses, he is not a good shooter, average at best.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 23, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree

Not that you couldn’t tell from the post.

Coming into the season, Gordon’s 3-point percentage and Hinrich’s FG% were essentially identical — both rounded to .415. When you throw in the fact that Gordon’s shots were almost always of a higher degree of difficulty than Hinrich’s — and sure, some of that was his own doing — I don’t see how it’s wrong to say that Gordon is a much better pure shooter.

Gordon’s biggest problem (aside from the defense and suspect ballhandling) was that he tried to do more than he was capable of. But put him in the Pax/B.J./Steve Kerr role, and he would’ve been absolutely deadly.

by MrSportsKnowItAll.com on Feb 23, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

He is a much better pure shooter

But that doesn’t mean Hinrich’s not a good shooter. My point in comparing them is that both are having subpar years in terms of shooting the ball.

by Poloplaya14 on Feb 23, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

not that anyone would seem to care

but if you asked kirk whos the better shooter, he would emphatically point to ben gordon, in fact, hes said it in recent interviews!!

But i agree with calogero and poloplaya14, kirk isnt a bad shooter, hes a bad scorer…consider that he took 7 shots, and the shots that he made were both 3s. Aside from one other missed 3, that means he had 4 other shots to take….

The first one was the layup that was blocked in the first quarter (a shame too, damn athletic athletes of the nba!!!), the second shot he took was a time winding down, heavily contested forced jumper, the next one was a midrange shot that wasnt heavily contested, but it wasnt wide open either shot in the 2nd quarter, it looked nice but ended up being short….i missed the last shot so i dont know what it looked like…

Its not like all his shots were all wide open jumpers that he was missing, as opposed to the start of the season when that really was the case. I think he is back to shooting a good percentage, but the problem is that unlike the last couple games, the bulls werent able to get transition shots as much as they wanted, and hinrich isnt a great enough shooter or scorer to make shots while contested…

So like those guys said hinrich is a good shooter, hes just not a good scorer, hell you could probably say hes below average in terms of scoring…

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Feb 23, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

He's a decent shooter

for what he is which is a combo guard but I don’t think he’s a good enough shooter to be a every game 2 guard. Hell he’s avg 10.5 ppg.! Who are we trying to fool here?

by Dils on Feb 23, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

The terms combo guard, 2 guard, point guard, etc. are just semantics.

Derrick Rose has a skill-set that you very rarely see out of the PG position. Specifically, he can attack the basket and finish at the rim a lot better than most. In addition, he’s not your prototypical facilitator PG, and he’s a mediocre defender. Given all that, I think partnering him with another guard who is a a good defender, passer, and jump-shooter makes a pretty good fit.

Looking at it from the other perspective, Hinrich’s a guy who would best be suited playing next to a guy capable of being a big-time scorer. That’s why he thrived next to BG, and it’s also why so many people thought he would’ve been a great fit next to Brandon Roy in Portland or Kobe in LA.

by Poloplaya14 on Feb 23, 2010 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

You know what's ironic though

I think Rose thrives in different ways. I think deep down he wants to be the PG he was last year, which was more of a facilitator and a scorer when needed. With Hinrich, it helps him in terms of Rose not defending the top scorer from the other team but it forces Rose to be the top scorer as well. I personally think you will see more of a facilitator in Rose when he’s given a 2 guard that can score more consistently from outside. That’s why I liked the Rose/BG backcourt last year.

by Dils on Feb 23, 2010 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

So when is

a career 41% FG% is good, or makes you a good shooter.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 23, 2010 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Click on that profile picture

that will tell you everything you need to know lol

Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

by bigballa10 on Feb 23, 2010 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I know you're not talking about BG

He’s a career 44% FG% shooter. I don’t think that ‘s too bad considering he’s primarily an outside shooter.

by Dils on Feb 23, 2010 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

BG is a great shooter, I don’t think anybody can dispute that.

by kingles on Feb 24, 2010 1:46 AM CST up reply actions  

41%fg is not good, 38%3pt. is good.

Kirk is just a jumpshooter, jumpshooters don’t shoot high FG% unless they can also get high percentage shots in the paint. Some examples players like this would be Eddie House(41.2%fg, 39.5%3pt.), or J.J. Redick (42.1%fg, 38.9%3pt.). I don’t think there’s going to be anybody on here argueing that House or Redick aren’t good shooters.

by kingles on Feb 24, 2010 12:45 AM CST up reply actions  

They also can’t handle the ball, distribute, or play good defense.

As basketball players, they are not in Kirk’s league, I certainly hope we’re clear on THAT. However, as a shooter, Kirk IS in their league, and that was my point.

by kingles on Feb 24, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Since Kirk was added to the starting lineup:

28gms. 12.1ppg- 4.2reb- 4.9ast- 1.5to- 1.1st 41.2%fg 38.2%3pt

by kingles on Feb 24, 2010 2:27 AM CST up reply actions  

It seems a few people here can't pick up sarcasm

aside from that, excellent post. It became clear pretty quickly that we were at a disadvantage trying to match their athleticism when Brad Miller was on Blatche early on. Despite that, they still got out to a nice lead before that awful 3rd quarter. The plays that were ran out of timeouts late in the game resulted in Rose not even touching the ball at all. I also couldn’t understand why they just wouldn’t put Hinrich on Foye when he started getting hot. Rose could’ve guarded Mike Miller on the perimeter. It’s not like he drives to the hoop much or handles the ball a lot.

Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

by bigballa10 on Feb 23, 2010 11:46 AM CST reply actions  

Yes...

“I also couldn’t understand why they just wouldn’t put Hinrich on Foye when he started getting hot.”

Completely agree

by badnewsintennisshoes on Feb 23, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

It didn't make sense

Why waste Hinrich on Mike Miller who is just going to stand at the 3 point line when Foye is busting our asses? It just seemed like an obvious adjustment to make. Really, there wasn’t anybody on the roster to guard Blatche with Noah not 100%, but those other guys should’ve been held in check much better than that.

Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

by bigballa10 on Feb 23, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

thats VDN for you

that’s why i dont understand why some people here want to keep him unless we get Phil, Pop, or Mike D’Antoni. i would trade him for a lot more coaches than that….

Practice beats talent when talent doesn't practice.

by iamsasquatch on Feb 23, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Isnt miller the more dangerous player

in terms of scoring…foye tends to make mistakes…but yea i guess foye is more likely to use that pick and roll which kills rose…and miller would be trying to manage without screens…but miller was trying hard to get open and was doing a good job…im not sure rose keeps up with miller and that might be worse…..

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Feb 23, 2010 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

It's possible

and that would be a good scouting report going in, but during the game, that adjustment should have been made to put Kirk on the hot guy. Foye is a guy who will have the ball in his hands a lot as well so I would be more worried about him than Rose losing Miller from time to time, especially when Foye was killing them the last time the played as well.

Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

by bigballa10 on Feb 23, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

if i remember right

we won the last game due to foye….

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Feb 23, 2010 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Well he made a mistake

at the end with a turnover if I’m not mistaken, but he was really hitting some big shots to keep them in the game. He definitely had one of his better games that night.

Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

by bigballa10 on Feb 23, 2010 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

and the point is they kept going to Foye in the last game

so you know they are going to be running offense through him. Given that he is a bigger part of the offense, you probably want Hinrich to guard him.

by Basketball Smurf on Feb 24, 2010 3:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Calm down man....

One loss and all the wins are thrown out I guess? That is the way it seems here on blog a bull. They are 11-5 in their last 16 games 2 and 1 with their new additions. To panic after one six point loss to a team that is on a hot streak is a bit much.

The Dude Abides

by Savage23 on Feb 23, 2010 12:05 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

What makes you say that?

All he did was recap the game. I don’t see where there is any panic. This is mostly to show the contrast between his last rosy post after the Philly game and this game.

Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

by bigballa10 on Feb 23, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

i agree lol

some people here are just not at the reading/writing level of others thats all

Practice beats talent when talent doesn't practice.

by iamsasquatch on Feb 23, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

settle down meow

Mr. High N Mighty. LOL, you read and write so superior to most……..NOT

Most people on this blog tend to go crazy after we lose a game we should win. I was merely pointing out we are performing better than expected. I know this reply is not up to your “reading/writing” standards but us peons try.

The Dude Abides

by Savage23 on Feb 23, 2010 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

No,

However, I think we are better than I expected at this point in the year. I think players like Gibson, Hinrich, and others that routinely get hated on here have played well and helped us win some games. I just grew a little tired of the bashing that goes on here even when we are doing a bit better than expected given the fact we have no real depth.

The Dude Abides

by Savage23 on Feb 23, 2010 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

You're right

but I don’t see how that was applicable to this post. That would’ve been more for a game thread where people are acting like the sky is falling.

Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

by bigballa10 on Feb 23, 2010 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

read the thread,

some were just saying this is what happens when your team sucks trades happen and coach sucks, all after one loss after we have had a great stretch. I am not really concerned about it being applicable to the post. Just trying to temper the negativity of the fans here.

The Dude Abides

by Savage23 on Feb 23, 2010 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

i never mentioned myself as being superior

because i am not. in fact i wish i could express my ideas in writing more clearly.
but i thinking i am well at reading and understanding ;)

Practice beats talent when talent doesn't practice.

by iamsasquatch on Feb 23, 2010 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

2-1 with their new additions

against minnesota, philly, and washington.

http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com

by Calogero on Feb 23, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

That is exactly what I am talking about.

2 and 1 is 2 and 1. Just because they were not against top tier teams does not mean they are not victories. Especially when the Bulls have consistently seemed to play down to the level of their competition, one night beating a great team next losing to the Nets. So I will take 2 and 1 regardless of who it is from and enjoy it. Seems like many fans just look for ways for things to suck no mater what.

The Dude Abides

by Savage23 on Feb 23, 2010 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Great post...

Your writing is welcome here.
You’ll soon learn the guys that want to pick word-fights.
We have the overly pessimistic, the overly optimistic, the overly sarcastic and the total Homers.
We have stat analysts, cap (self-titled) experts, one NBA Observer, and a recently sold-out fearless leader (T-mobile sponsored that title – j/k).
Just know that you have a few that appreciate your writing and it’s welcome. If you have a few that appreciate the input, then ignore the masses of haters. You 1st few posts are all definitely click-worthy to me.

by kingj41 on Feb 23, 2010 12:27 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

yeah i'm with kingj on this one

dont stop posting, we need more of these!!!

Practice beats talent when talent doesn't practice.

by iamsasquatch on Feb 23, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

One thing's for sure.

Next to YFBB’s writing, yours reads like Ulysses.

by MrBungle on Feb 23, 2010 1:53 PM CST reply actions  

Very good post.

Although Blache would destroy Tyrus and his 215 lb frame. Maybe TT blocks 1-2 shots, but he definitely doesn’t control him.

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by Trey23 on Feb 24, 2010 11:39 AM CST reply actions  

i say tyrus ends up going to the line alot more

the way miller is deceptivily slow, tyrus has a deceptive leap, in the sense that you dont think hes gonna have as long as a hangtime that he does, plus tyrus has the wierd tendency to hold the ball tightly while in midair, which is why i think his offensive game around the rim doesnt look pretty, so blatche wont get many blocks, and that athletic front line is gonna find itself in foul trouble…thats the situation id imagine would take place if tyrus played….but its a moot point cuz we all know, he wouldnt have played any meaningful minutes at any rate…

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Feb 24, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

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