Doug Thonus makes the case for Vinny
by Illini15 on Feb 21, 2010 11:25 AM CST
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I certainly never thought I'd agree with something like this, but it is very impressive that the Bulls are 6th in defensive efficiency and are continually playing hard. I don't like what Vinny did with Tyrus and still think he's clueless as an offensive mind, but I agree with Doug's end game here:
Will VDN keep his job with the Bulls next year? I don't know. I do think it'd be fair to replace him if you can find an upgrade. However, you need to sell me on who that upgrade is. You can't throw out someone with no experience, nor can you throw out a retread who's only average.
With the way that we've played in recent months, this article got me thinking about Vinny and just how "bad" he really is. What does everyone think? Should Vinny be canned at the end of the season no matter what? Or has he done enough to warrant consideration for a 3rd year, in the case that we can't find anyone better?
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Isn't this the 3rd or 4th time he's made a case for Del Negro?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
hard to give up on a guy you know can coach something well without his players tuning him out
or finding him oppressive. but the O could be better. like… 18th-20th in offensive efficiency does not seem like a ridiculous goal for this team, but they are a long, long way from that. they are as far from 20th in the league as 20th is from 7th. thats horrible.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
The thing that seems odd to me
is that he’s clearly a “player’s coach” who everyone seems to get along with, yet somehow he still clashed with Tyrus. Was Tyrus really that much of a headcase that he couldn’t even get along with happy-go-lucky, master of cliches, Vinny Del Negro? Or maybe Tyrus was sick of Vinny’s seemingly minimal level of intelligence, and called him out on it. I’d really like to know what went on behind the scenes there because it doesn’t seem like it’d be hard to get along with VDN.
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
the "taking tyrus out of the starting lineup when he came back from being injured simply because
he was injured" was maybe not the move to improve the relationship. i dont know though, as you said, so much behind the scenes.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Yeah, the way he handled that was completely messed up.
Which is why I’d like to know what was really going on. Or maybe Vinny is that dumb…it’s not out of the equation.
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
Maybe taking Tyrus out of the lineup was on orders from higher up?
We miss you, Tyrus Thomas and Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Feb 21, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
That makes no sense though
considering he was on the trading block. Benching him was only going to tank his value.
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
We're talking Jerry Reinsdorf here.
Remember the great value the Bulls got back for Ben Gordon?
We miss you, Tyrus Thomas and Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Feb 21, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Heh.
“Ben Tyrus was only going to be our 4th guard big at best.”
It all makes perfect sense!
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
except this time we didnt let him walk off for nothing after the season
and got some value back in return…..
by iamsasquatch on Feb 21, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Something happened
VDN rescued Tyrus (and Noah) from the Skiles’ short leashes and let them play through their mistakes and develop. At the end of the last season he was a starter and solid contributer even though he still took ill-advised shots and made stupid turnovers which caused VDN to keep him out at the end of games.
Tyrus was finishing games during the playoff series and almost single-handedly won the over-time game (still with bad shots, but he made them.) By the end of the series, Tyrus was not finishing even though his stats were still OK.
I think VDN lost patience with Tyrus for something Tyrus wouldn’t or couldn’t do (effort in practice, running the floor, defensive rotations?) It seems obvious that VDN should have started Tyrus after his injury, but the issues apparently lingered.
by El Toro de Goro on Feb 21, 2010 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
He wanted him to run
the floor instead of jogging like he normally did/does. He even called him out in the press for not running.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
how is this possible?
but they are a long, long way from that. they are as far from 20th in the league as 20th is from 7th. thats horrible.
there are only 30 teams in the league.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
because they are 2.5 points per 100 possessions from SAC and SAC is 2.5 points per 100 possessions
from SAS.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Since Jan 1st the offense is at 106 per 100 and the defense is at 103 per 100.
When healthy the Bulls have the 18th to 20th best offense in the league. If they have rotation players out injured they don’t.
Brad Miller rising from the crypt has also helped
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
I think Kings fans were right when they said he only plays hard when the team is doing well
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
Or he has his own monetary gain to worry about.
He’s only got to play hard for another 25 games or so, and teams could be intrigued at signing him for a nice one year contract.
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by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 21, 2010 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
I'd like to know the splits on offensive efficiency.
Because we that stat may still be feeling the affects of the start of the season.
Bosh or Bust
by JockstrapNoah on Feb 21, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
youre right. look at scotters comment above.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
I don't like throwing ih the Celtics series as evidence
but Doug has a point that there’s no ‘anybody but VDN’ necessity out of a new coaching hire. And Collins better not be the replacement either.
It’s not what VDN does, it’s what he doesn’t do. It’s his strength and weakness. He’s absent enough to have a team of good guys play hard, but he’ll get nothing more. But that’s shown to be better than someone like Eddie Jordan who can likely coach circles around Vinny but can submarine a team through overcoaching and self-sabotage.
It depends if this team has any expectations. If they get a big FA they may just five VDN 20 games into next year. I’d hope that part of this plan to get a FA involves a better coach, but it’s likely that FAs don’t care much about the coach, it’s not like VDN would have a bad history with anyone (unless you’re Tyrus Thomas) and if LeBron comes he can hand-pick the successor. As long as he’s cheap.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2010 12:04 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I hate 95% of NBA coaches because 95% of coaches are fatally flawed.
If getting a replacement means giving a multi-year deal to Lawrence Frank, Byron Scott, Avery Johnson, Eddie Jordan, etc. Leave me with the idiot I know because at least it’s unclear that Vinny is fatally flaw. Hubie Brown knows more basketball in his pnky than Vinny Del Negro, but I wouldn’t want him coaching the Bulls next season even if he was ten years younger.
by Scotter on Feb 21, 2010 12:06 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
I'd still rather take the risk with a flawed but better coach
ok, maybe VDN can have his final year with his ‘new’ team, but if they actually make substantial improvements this offseason they deserve a potentially very good coach instead of a consistent non-coach.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
I'm 100% with Scotter on his 95% point
I actually was having a semi-decent debate about it with Bullshooter recently, and I just don’t see what obvious upgrades there are.
Factor in continuity, experience and consistency, and the likelihood is a new coach will either always be worse than Vinny or waste time catching up to the point Vinny has received on the job training to get to.
whats wrong with avery johnson?
I don’t like the others you listed either, but if we can get avery (which i think is very possible) i would totally give up VDN for him.
by iamsasquatch on Feb 21, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
Avery is a micro-manager and turned the Mavericks
into a boring 1 on 1 isolation team. Perhaps it’s just a personal taste, but that’s not what I want from a basketball team. In the playoffs I still think guys need to be able to actually move and play basketball on their own. Derrick doesn’t need Avery Johnson as a coach.
also in the playoffs
you need solid coaching as there is a lot more half court sets, and avery has been to the finals. VDN cannot draw up any plays…..
Practice beats talent when talent doesn't practice.
by iamsasquatch on Feb 21, 2010 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
If drawing up plays were the key to coaching in the playoffs
Scott Skiles would be a playoff coaching genius. I haven’t seen any evidence of that. Was Doc Rivers drawing up plays for the Celtics a couple of years ago? Did the Nets go to the finals because Byron Scott was better at drawing up at plays than Lawrence Frank? Even in the playoffs being an X and O genius isn’t that big of a deal.
There a couple of really good NBA coaches. There are truly terrible coaches that will destory teams. And in the middle there a bunch of flawed coaches that really only distinguished by the quality of players they’ve had to coach. Vinny’s an idiot, but he’s at least shown he’s not a team killer. The difference between Vinny and everyone who seems to be currently available seems negligible to me at this point.
by Scotter on Feb 21, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
yes i see your point
but if keeping vinny is better than hiring any of the available coaches, then who would have to become available in order to fire vinny? you make it seem like vinny is in the top ten coaches in the nba right now because he lets the players just play…..
Practice beats talent when talent doesn't practice.
by iamsasquatch on Feb 21, 2010 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
I'm saying there is little
effective difference between most coaches. Vinny may be eighth, but he’s tied with 20 other guys. Coaching talent is no different than player talent, or I.Q. distribution, or height distribution. It’s curved. There are a couple guys at the top of the curve, but it flattens out very quickly. The difference between Phil Jackson and the 6th best coach in the NBA is huge. The difference between the 6th best coach in the NBA and the 20th is small.
There’ s Phil and Pop. And then there’s guys like Sloan and Adelman that have a system and have been consistent winners. After that who are the great coaches? You can throw the guys like with X and Os reputations and some history of winning like Flip Saunders, Rick Carlisle, or even Scott Skiles ahead of winning, but how much does it really matter?
by Scotter on Feb 21, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I would add to this
that the only reason to throw out one of those middling coaches is when a top coach is available, or they’ve lost the team in some way.
Player’s will eventually tune out a coach after too much losing, and shaking things up with a different middling coach, has an impact that surpasses any skill gap.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
How is it really any different from what Scott Skiles did?
It’s a personnel issue as much if not more than a coaching issue.
I agree Scotter, that Hubie is light years ahead of Vinny in bball knowledge but I don't
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 21, 2010 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
sorry, this one got away in the middle of one of my deep thoughts...an Al Franken moment.
I’ll try this again
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 21, 2010 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
I respect your opinions Scotter and I agree that Hubie's bball knowledge is light years ahead of Vinny's.
What I fail to understand is why you wouldn’t want him coaching the Bulls if that were possible.
I’d love to see him here even on an interim basis.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 21, 2010 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
Hubie Brown suffers from the same issue that many of the great basketball minds suffer from,
he can’t see the big picture when he’s in the fox hole. He gets too detail obsessed about getting his players to do things correctly, Would he have been a decent fit to do the job Scott Skiles did a few years ago and teach the kids to play basketball? Sure. The current team is past that in my opinion, especially if the Bulls do a decent job in free agency this summer. Hubie has never had great talent, but there is a reason he has a mediocre coaching record.
Why would we want Hubie?
He is on his last lets! I want a coach that will actually be here for years to come. I am sick of having coaches that we know that we will have to replace in the near future.
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 21, 2010 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
the Org. has a new meme, Vinny's a good coach
another write up on VDN
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/columns/story?columnist=isaacson_melissa&id=4926187
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
this is more the media's own doing by thinking he was going to get fired early this year
so now it’s the ‘comeback’ content to counterbalance it. VDN has always been the same, they are healthy and some rotation players had abysmal starts to the season.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
The Del Negro Dialectic.
I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite
by Super-Structure on Feb 21, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
despite some of the recent drama on here
I happen to really respect your opinions yfbb. I dont necessarilly disagree with you, but can explian why you feel that Vinny is such a poor coach. I don’t know all that much about what makes a good coach other results and sounding inspiration in their speech. And preferably leave the developing tyrus argument out because there are alot of variables in that matter.
The team did reach “rock bottom” and rumors circled about him getting fired, yet him/they “overcame” all that pressure…
i dont think this is saying he is good
as much as that the org should support him until he gets fired, instead of leaving him without a vote of confidence
by iamsasquatch on Feb 21, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
i kinda stopped reading after the first paragraph (thought it was heading in a different direction)… should have kept going before posting it. my bad.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
haha its ok
that article was jumping around everywhere through different bulls related topics without a clear focus lol
by iamsasquatch on Feb 21, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Wonder if the defensive scheme
is actually Bickerstaff’s?
Del Negro has the guys putting forth great effort and has put in place a strong defensive scheme.
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by Granny Waiters on Feb 21, 2010 12:22 PM CST reply actions
interesting. or maybe another assistant
hey, then Vinny knows his limitations and is a good delegator :)
I always admit I’m biased against the guy because he sound like a doofus. I literally cannot imagine him leading some defensive scheme implementation.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I think the most damning thing going against Vinny is that he sounds like a complete moron whenever he talks, so its’ nearly unfathomable to think that he might actually be saying intelligent things to the team when they’re practicing.
Hey, maybe the Pistons fire Kuester and we can bring him on as our offensive guy, then we’d be set!
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
But
based on derrick rose interviews, it’s safe to say that some people leave their genius "on the court. The generous thing would be to extend this assumption to the sidelines as well. Maybe you could even say he speaks their (the players’) language. Coaching a team and press relations aren’t the same thing.
ball.
He has no choice but to delegate because he doesn't know squat.
therefefore I give him no credit for delegating (out of sheer necessity, rather than choice).
They would be nuts to allow him to finish his contract while trying to lure the creme de la creme to come to Chicago. It would be like using sour milk for your latte.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 21, 2010 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
i just looked at bernies coaching record with defense. his teams always got worse over his tenure
as coach. bernie has coached 4 teams. twice his teams improved in his first season as coach (from 13th to 10th; from 15th to 13th). once his team got way worse (his denever team was 5th when he got there and 14th after his first year). CHA obviously had no previous season.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
I think Vinny has improved as a coach
since his first year, but if Bosh wants to play for Hubie, then we hire Hubie.
Bosh or Bust
Does Bosh want Hubie?
I think in general players are more skeptical than we think about things. When players say they want to “go to a winner”, they want to join up with a winning situation. A guy like Bosh or Wade is going to be leary, I think, of coming in to a situation where the expectation is that the coach is going to need a year of on the job training. Even the best assistants tend to need that. Especially coming into a new situation, as a guy like Thibadeau would be (as opposed to, I guess, maybe a Phil Jackson or Lawrence Frank sort of situation where they were already on staff).
So the only sort of obvious upgrade I see with an eye toward getting a free agent is to get a guy like Avery. IF we have some sort of knowledge that the player we want has a strong desire for that coach. In the absence of knowing, that’s very debatable though. I mean, maybe Wade or Joe Johnson or Bosh or whomever thinks Hubie or Avery are giant douches, and they sort of respect the fact that the Bulls under Vinny have played them tough?
There’s lots to think about in those areas, and I just don’t see the obvious upside to rocking the boat.
Sam Mitchell?
I dunno, we haven’t seen VDN handle a superstar ego yet, either.
At least I’m confident that even if he is retained, the Bulls wouldn’t hesitate to can VDN if they start out poorly again.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
I think the Coach/FA mix is pretty delicate to start with
Suppose one of those guys says something like “I really want Avery Johnson”. Especially when it seems the Bulls already don’t think Avery Johnson was worth talking to. That’s the sort of thing that, I think, would really raise Reinsdorf’s hackles.
If you keep Vinny, then you see how he deals with the superstar. And it’s not hard to get rid of him.
On the other hand, if you bring in a new guy now, you’re sort of locked in for a couple years. And there’s a chance that he’s too much of a yes-man to the star you get. That was the problem with Doug Collins with MJ, both here and in Washington, and a problem with lots of good coaches in that situation.
Hell, in many respects, it seems like Ben Wallace is what caused Skiles to founder.
Any way I try to look at it, I guess I think it’s easiest to roll with Vinny and then see what happens unless there’s just a complete no-brainer upgrade.
one problem though
is if you can Vinny mid-season, unless the Bulls have a replacement in mind (and remember how long it took to find a coach in the offseason?) it could be a wasted year.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
If you get a superstar FA
and can Vinny mid season, i think there are very few unemployed coaches that would turn down the coaching job for that team. If you have any sort of ego, you’ll think that that you can turn the team around and make your legacy a lot better.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
true, it would be a way better job than it was that summer
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2010 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
and the superstar is already in the mix and the team has its collective identity to go forward in the coaching search
much like everyone except the bulls front office thought the defensively-minded team with a bunch of young athletically-gifted players would highly benefit from SSOL
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agreed but i'm curious
who would you classify as a no brainer upgrade?
Practice beats talent when talent doesn't practice.
by iamsasquatch on Feb 21, 2010 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
Mike D'Antoni
(still bitter)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2010 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
The dream is dead.
I have no use for coaches who refuse to play young guys out of some misplaced sense of loyalty to vets who “pay their dues.” Add Byron Scott to that mix.
Avery is the wild card. Sure, the Mavs were boring to watch, but they were efficient as hell and were a good defensive team with some suspect pieces. Also, I kinda just want Avery and Rose to talk to each other and release the conversations online.
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by Ozzie Montana on Feb 21, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
I hate the vets thing as much as anyone
but that’s just universal amongst coaches. VDN has no choice who to play now, but he’s had instances of vet-favoritism in playing Noc last year, or riding Miller down the stretches of games, etc.
I’m sure it’s of varying degrees, but I don’t know if D’Antoni is any worse than others. This would be a reason to not look to Byron Scott, who played Devin Brown over Darren Collison or Marcus Thornton.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2010 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
IMO Vinny has been pretty good about
letting the young guys play, besides Tyrus. He let Derrick Rose get starters minutes right from the get go (granted he was forced too because of the Hinrich injury last year, but I feel that was his intention from the beginning) Noah and Taj have also gotten a ton of minutes over Vinny’s tenure.
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 21, 2010 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
But why wait for the almost inevitable?
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 21, 2010 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
Since you mention Phil Jackson,
he had won a CBA championship with the Albany Patroons, which was likely a valuable head coaching learning experience.
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by Granny Waiters on Feb 21, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah and really we have no idea what the players think about the coaches
since there are obvious reasons to never talk about coaches with anybody besides other players. Maybe Vinny is lovable as a bad coach, and the word will get around.
Bosh or Bust
by JockstrapNoah on Feb 21, 2010 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
I have a pretty good idea what Tyrus thought about Vinny, Jockstrap
and it ain’t good.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 21, 2010 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
I think vinny is a fine coach
But i think his weakness in coaching, that fatal weakness everyone was talking about, will appear in playoff scenerios against good coaches, and when the game becomes slowed down to an extent where halfcourt plays are required. I think in terms of developing half court plays vinny is extremely limited, in the tribune article vinny talks about how having warrick and murry allows the team to keep running, letting the defense lead to offense and thus not allowing as many half court sets, i think this hides vinnys weakness, and plays to roses strength. Having a warrick and taj, two young guys who can run the court just makes things a bit easier, but i wonder if we get bosh if such a play style will remain effective…
And in the playoffs, when going up against experienced coaches, i can see vinny being forced more into half court games, and thus playing to his weakness. That said, i think the bulls can get a bosh, and gamble a year with vinny, with rose, bosh and noah we would win enough games to remain competetive and make it to the playoffs, and there always is a chance that vinny learns how to utilize the roster in such a way that can keep his weaknesses hidden (or develop more plays) but if it doesnt work well vinnys contract expires adn they can try to go after another coach…
I think vinny is a coach that is good at asking his players to play to thier best ability, i think hes a coach players will listen too because hes a “nice guy”, but i think in terms of traditional coaching strengths, x’s and os’, roster management, lineup management, i think vinny is lacking…luckily in the nba, the players have a greater impact on a team than a coach….just look at cleavland..
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
If you keep VDN, get someone he can work with who is a good "X's and O's" guy to draw up plays.
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by Granny Waiters on Feb 21, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
Basketball at it's essense....
is not that damn hard. Sometimes it’s best to just get out of the way and not screw shit up. The good coaches can take players and put them in a position to succeed. Bad coaches TRY to put places in a position to succeed…but wind up screwing things up by micromanaging….etc. Vinny does neither. He’s just…Vinny. Will he ever win a playoff series against Larry Brown, Pop or Phil…no. Can he take a team to a 6th or 7th place finish in a mediocre conference…sure!
In the last year I've gotten rid of two Top-Five draft picks.....Sweet!
I had been considering making a "case for VDN fanshot" for a while now
but thought that because it came from me it, and I, would get ripped to shreds
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
who are you to the point where we'd care?
you’re rep, if you have one, would suggest posting another ‘keep VDN’ fanpost in two days that I’d have to delete.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
*your
argh.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
lol yeah i guess my posts get deleted moreso for redundancy than mediocrity
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
I would disagree. I think they get deleted moreso for mediocrity.
Just kidding hongydraw, but you served a hanging curve right over the middle of the plate and I couldn’t resist swinging for the fences. Feel free now to mock me, you sure won’t be the first one or the last one. Get ready, I’m gonna lay this one right in your wheelhouse.
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by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 21, 2010 10:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I really don't mind being mocked.
My motto is “negative attention is better than no attention at all.”
But I’m confused that you all are upset by me not using the reply button, since I did.
I was making a smart-ass remark to hongydraw and unless my eyes are deceiving me, my response showed up right under his comment about redundancy vs. mediocrity.
Where did you think it should have appeared, I ask humbly?
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 22, 2010 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
Where Matts reply
to hongydraw is.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
Tyrusmancrush, you seem to have forgotten to use the reply button
Also, you struck out.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
ha
this post is so ironic!
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2010 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
I told him the last time he forgot to use the reply button
that I would reply to all his posts without using the reply button and see how he likes it.
Sorry to disappoint you. :P
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
I remember that and I said
please don’t do that. See what you started?
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
yes
but way less frequently
last one here
by NormVanBeer on Feb 21, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
thanks
I use to always listen to those
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 21, 2010 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
Vinny or not
It’d be interesting to find out exactly how the Bulls came to turn a corner (even if it’s not a sharp corner) past Xmas, when the fire Vinny furor was at its worst. Obviously Rose has been better every game, but there’s got to be more to it. Anyone remember November/December? Raptors tying their shoelaces, Noah slamming the ball at the stanchion in frustration…dark days, but things are looking better. Did Vinny make an inspirational mix tape for everyone? Any idea?
ball.
I think you hit the nail on the head, headphones. Vinny decided to just stop phoning it in
by always reciting his 10 favorite cliches since they had all been memorized and the players were tuning out. So he did exactly what you had suspected. Ever since he’s been piping in “We are the Champions” by Queen into the locker room before every game, the season has turned around on a dime.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 22, 2010 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
Well Doug Collins got let go, so
if Vinny reaches his plateau he may be let go too.
I do think this idea that he doesn’t know X’s and O’s is a stretch. He did play 12 years, many of em with Pop. It’s just that when they don’t execute, it looks like they aren’t running anything, when in fact we run the same stuff almost every team does.
We’ve added the open play, Deng post plays and 1-2 pick an rolls with Rose. He did draw that play where BG hit the winning or tying shot in the Boston series. (The Phoenix play)
"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub
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