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Could Bosh stay in Toronto?

It's become pretty clear that the top target for the both the Bulls organization and fans on blogabull is Chris Bosh.  He seems to have the best mix of offense/defense/rebounding of any PF on the market, and with Tyrus Thomas almost certainly gone, would be the biggest single upgrade the Bulls can make in the offseason.  The youngest all-star PF at 25 years old, he showed up in the best condition of his career, and is having his best year by far.  He could easily be a cornerstone of the franchise with Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah for the next 7 years.

He turned down an extension last year, and in declining to commit to the Raptors long-term, everyone assumed that meant he was leaving.  Unlike Wade, he didn't even make demands to "improve or else" which would have at least meant he wanted to stay if things went right. 

Recent developments have caused me to question whether those assumptions are correct.  Is it possible that Chris Bosh could stay in Toronto?  If so, what does that mean for the 2010 free agent class in general, and the Bulls specifically?

More after the jump.

Star-divide

Bosh is not getting traded mid season.  Unlike Boozer and Stoudemire, this has never even been discussed by their GM, Bryan Colangelo.  I listed the reasons in another post but here they are again.

  •  They’d like to finish out the season with Bosh and not lose out on regular season and playoff ticket receipts
  •  They believe Bosh might come back
  •  If Bosh leaves they believe they'll get just as good a deal in a sign and trade as they’d get now
Now what's caused me to think that Bosh might actually choose to stay in Toronto?

1.   Bryan Colangelo is probably not crazy.
Why isn't Colangelo trading Bosh?  Take a look at this recent quote about Bosh from a Sports Illustrated article on Bosh.
 "the cornerstone of the franchise, which is why our approach or intention has been, rightly or wrongly, to keep him here long term either through the signing of an extension or a new free-agent contract come July 2010."

I'm going to assume, as the title says, that Colangelo isn't crazy.  Isn't it fair to say that he talks to Bosh and his agent, and knows at least a little bit about Bosh's intentions?  Would an NBA GM, part of a group not known for being risk takers, really take the chance that he gets nothing back for the 5th best player in the NBA, according to PER (26.19).  Despite the fact that a sign and trade is likely, it is not guaranteed.  What if Bosh wants to go to the Bulls, and the Bulls aren't willing to give up Rose, Deng or Noah?  Would the Raptors take back players they don't really want, or just walk away from the table?  At any point since last year Colangelo could have traded Bosh to a team of their choice for players of their choice.   This summer it will be a choice between taking what's offered or nothing.

2.  Team success.
In case you haven't noticed, Toronto is 19-9 in games since December, 5th in the playoff race, trying to continue a 5game winning streak (including a Lakers win) against Indiana tonight, and has what could be February's easiest schedule.  The momentum they build up could be carried into a touch March schedule, and it is not inconceivable that they'll pass Boston due to it's recent freefall and constant stream of injuries (Pierce being the latest).  The end game is that Toronto could very well win the Atlantic conference and end up as the 3rd seed, enabling them to avoid facing Cleveland until the EC finals, and making it conceivable that they could get there.
Does one playoff series win swing things for Bosh?  How about two?

3.  Individual success
I've already detailed how Bosh is having the best season of his career.  The question is if Bosh attributes that all to his own hard work, or does a part of him believe that the team around him now is making him a better player.  Does he like Bargnani spacing the floor from the C position, Turkoglu's passing ability from the SF position?  Maybe he likes not having to compete for rebounds with anyone on his team.
Here's a few of quotes from Bosh.

"This is the position you want to be in," Bosh said. "I always tell people that when we were kids shooting in the backyard or in the park or something, you’re the man taking the last shot. You’re not in the corner giving a high five after a man hits it. You think about being the best player on the court. I’ve been really blessed to be the focal point. I think it’s crazy that it actually happened."

"I don't think I am considered one of best forwards in the league, and I want to be considered the best"

And when he became Toronto's all time scoring leader:

"I’m going to hype up the situation. I’m going to tell the story tomorrow, and the fish is going to be this big, you know what I mean?" Bosh said with his arms separated by a wide margin. "You have to make it dramatic and I like telling stories. Hopefully I’m able to tell my kids when it’s all said and done."

Or when he defended Toronto after Chipper Jones made some comments.

"I have fun. I have a blast every day," Bosh said. "You have got to feel good to go outside. If you're going to go somewhere, the clouds kind of make you lazy...

"You have got museums, restaurants, clubs if you want to go out at night,"Bosh said. "There's anything you want to do, shopping. That's what I like to do."

How much do we really know about how much individual success drives this man?  The Chicago fan thinks, "Great, Bosh won't have to do everything himself.  Noah can grab rebounds, Rose can help with scoring."  Meanwhile Bosh may be thinking, "So my rebounding numbers would go down, I won't get as many touches on offense or be the primary offensive threat, Rose will be taking all of the last second shots, and if I ever do have team success people will say it's because I was on Derrick Rose's team."

Bosh has a legacy in Toronto, and Toronto is pretty much the only team he will be on that's considered his team.  If he joins a team with another all-star he may very well be reduced to high fiving after last second shots.  If he joins a team without another all star... wait... why the heck would he leave Toronto to do that?  He has said that he expects to make the max contract no matter what team he is on, so money does have some meaning for him.  $30 million is the difference in guaranteed money between what Toronto can offer him directly or in a sign and trade, and the max another team could offer.

So what are your thoughts Blogabullers?  Did I put together a convincing case that Bosh could stay in Toronto? Assuming he did, what does that mean for the Bulls?  Should they trade for Stoudemire now, and not wait to see what Bosh does?  Should the plan become all about Dwayne Wade, and to that end should they trade Hinrich for whatever they can get immediately as he becomes useless on a team with Rose and Wade?  Could Bosh staying start a chain reaction where almost no one leaves their current team, and the Bulls are stuck with a bag of money and a frown?

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I believe that the speculation is largely media driven.

At what point has there been any verifiable source that Bosh intends to leave? There has only been his mediocre team and the media’s ‘two max contracts’ and ‘revive NYC’ scenarios to suggest otherwise, along with the infinite chain of close associates suggesting secret pacts and dissatisfaction. The fact that Colangelo has said that he will not trade Bosh before the deadline makes me think that 2010 will end up being far less interesting than most hope.

I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite

by Super-Structure on Feb 2, 2010 8:55 PM CST reply actions  

Lebron, Wade and Bosh

all had the chance to sign extensions this past summer. Each team was offering a max contract with max number of years. There decisions to turn down those contracts is why people speculate about the Summer of 2010. If there intention has been to stay in their original cities all along, why didn’t they sign extensions? They will see what is out there; and if they don’t like what they see, they will go back to their original teams. But they are definitely going to shop around.

by Basketball Smurf on Feb 2, 2010 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough

Speculating is not false but the speculation is false.

I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite

by Super-Structure on Feb 3, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I think this is definitely something that might happen

That’s the main reason I don’t like the 2010 plan very much. It just leaves too much to chance. At the same time, I understand wanting to at least have the option to bid on these guys. I recall reading Colangelo saying that unless Bosh tells him he wants out, he won’t be traded, so anything before the offseason is probably out of the question. As Super-Structure said above, it could be a lot less interesting than it’s been hyped up to be this summer. I do think Amare, Boozer, Joe Johnson, and David Lee change teams though but the others may end up staying put.

Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."

by bigballa10 on Feb 2, 2010 11:00 PM CST reply actions  

It's Toronto

If you are a superstar that seems that the team you are on will never improve. What guy in the right mind would stay there?

by T.Moore on Feb 2, 2010 11:25 PM CST reply actions  

Unless

he only cares about the money

by T.Moore on Feb 2, 2010 11:25 PM CST up reply actions  

People were certain that Vince Carter would leave

but he actually stayed and signed another contract with them. It was only after the team got worse through the years that he asked to leave.

Bosh has said he likes Toronto, at a time when no one was even asking him. I don’t think he’s lying. I’ve been to Toronto, it’s not that different from Chicago. There’s no reason to disbelieve that he’s willing to stay.

Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."

by runningman on Feb 2, 2010 11:50 PM CST up reply actions  

i thought bosh said something earlier this year or at the end of last year about feeling he wasnt

getting enough recognition for his achievements. his agent doesnt have to be brilliant to say, “Chris, its tough for big men to endear themselves to the fans because they have a hard time identifying with big mens’ unusual physical dimensions. coupled with the fact that youve been on a bunch of mediocre teams based out of canada, and i think you can see why you might have failed to hit the radar by now.”

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Feb 2, 2010 11:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Have you been to Toronto?

It’s very nice.. nicer than the majority of NBA cities. As long as you don’t mind the cold (which would be an issue in Chicago or New York too), it’s not a bad place at all.

by Grinder in Training on Feb 3, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Considering

That they have NEVER tasted the finals and were mediocre longer than we are. Thats why I think that he won’t stay there.

Especially with those weak ass euro players they have on that team. They are good but they are SOFT. A team like that will never reach the finals.

by T.Moore on Feb 3, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

What's NEVER matter..

All he is concerned about is the last 5 years and the next 5 – 10.

It’s a nice city, and has a chance to be good going forward if they build around him. The Bulls haven’t won much in the last decade either. The Knicks haven’t won in forever. It’s not like if he comes here, MJ will be here to play with him and he’ll be assured a title.

by Grinder in Training on Feb 3, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Bosh will leave, ive seen Bargnani play, and he is well on his way to becoming the next Dirk

they should trade Bosh for a Center and let Bargnani play the 4

I am THE chicago BULLS

by Juan dela Cruz on Feb 3, 2010 12:31 AM CST reply actions  

so youre saying they could have bosh and dirk, but they should pass on that because you need

1 C and 1 PF in an NBA starting lineup? that would be like if utah won the #1 pick this year and decided to draft willie warren because they would really round out their team if they got a combo guard to play a conventional 6th man. in other words, if you actually think bargs will be dirk, your opinion is kinda crazy.

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Feb 3, 2010 12:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Nice Job RunningMan.

That’s a pretty well researched post, and you raise some good points. You’ve definitely tapped into to some of my fears, and I do worry that if Bosh, Bron, or Wade quickly decide to stay put, it could end with disaster… as Joe Johnson, David Lee, Rudy Gay, Boozer, and Amare will all be fighting for the max dollars that teams have earmarked for the big three, and surely, they will all be overpaid.

And surely, one or two of them will be overpaid by us.

But still, if the worst we do is David Lee and or Joe Johnson, we will be better than we are now.

2010... where relevant basketball in Chicago happens!

by kidronmusic on Feb 3, 2010 3:12 AM CST reply actions  

No

I think it is unlikely Bosh stays in Toronto. I think much of the talk is to try to get as much value for him via a sign and trade now or at the end of the year. He would get much more money through endorsement deals if he was in a big American market I think then he would via salary and endorsements in exile I mean Toronto. It would not be the end all for the Bulls if he does stay. I have said all along I prefer to get two really good players like Lee and Johnson over just one player unless it is Wade or LBJ.

It is likely that Bron and Wade stay put. I know I will take some heat for this one but I actually don’t want to have to root for LBJ I just don’t like him. I know he is a great talent I just don’t like him one bit for some reason. Maybe its his silly ass dancing on the court that triggers my dislike I just don’t know. I find myself hoping he never gets a ring no matter how unlikely that may be.

The Dude Abides

by Savage23 on Feb 3, 2010 1:02 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

I don't like lebron

Because he acted like a baby back bitch after a loss doing his Isiah Thomas impersonation. I was beginning to respect him by after that I can’t. But I agreed when he thinks that MJ’s number 23 should be retired but then again he was the wrong guy to say it.

by T.Moore on Feb 3, 2010 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Rodman

I hated Rodman for shoving Pippen into the basket support and his psycho act in San Antonio, but I got over pretty quickly after he came to the Bulls. A different jersey can change a person dramatically

by El Toro de Goro on Feb 3, 2010 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Rodman seems to care more about winning that lebrick.

It’s not that Lebron doesn’t care it’s just that Rodman seem to care more about winning than getting the glory (like Kobe and Lebrick caring about the glory)

by T.Moore on Feb 3, 2010 4:28 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Seeing Rodman

on reality shows I actually feel a little sorry for him, because he is so child-like and has such a need of attention. When he was on the Spurs, he drove his teammates and the coach nuts because he would actually sabotauge their chances of winning. On the Bulls, Jackson gave him more leeway, and Jordan reigned him when he got too crazy, so he was great. But Rodman has almost always cared more about attention for himself than winning. I always laugh when someone suggests him as a big man coach, although it would be interesting.

by El Toro de Goro on Feb 3, 2010 5:18 PM CST reply actions  

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