Deadline deal tidbits
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 9:29 AM CST
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PrintI was incorrect on the first rounder coming from Charlotte, as though they potentially owe a first-rounder already through 2014, apparently they can trade another pick conditionally contingent on when they give up their initial pick (it can't be the very next year as you have to have one first-rounder in consecutive years). Per ChicagoNow, the pick is first available in in 2012 and is lottery-protected, with the protection going down until being fully unprotected in 2016. I think it's a valid question whether the Bulls could've sacrificed that 'asset' to get better immediate guard help than they did, but future firsts never hurt.
To make room on the roster for the acquisitions, Chris Richard was released. While he was by far the cheapest option to waive (as he was only on a 10-day contract), this does put them without any centers outside of Brad Miller, and Warrick is even less of a post player than Tyrus. I'm guessing they didn't waive Hunter because as a veteran his salary is mostly paid by the league, and similarly with Jerome James because as a fatass his salary is mostly paid by insurance (unconfirmed, but I'm pretty sure that's the case).
Perhaps another true big shows up on the waiver wire soon. I'll trust JamaicanPi's cap numbers here showing that the Bulls moved far enough under the tax to sign a veteran free agent. While I don't expect Joe Alexander to help, Gar Forman confirmed in an interview that he will be with the Bulls (and not stay in the DLeague). You can watch Gar's entire press conference from Thursday here.
From what I read this morning, the Bulls expect the Bucks tradees to be ready for tonight, but are less sure about the players from Charlotte. I hope that Charlotte trade gets finalized...so I can watch the Bobcats tonight.
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From what I'm reading, Thomas (and Theo Ratliff) are expected to play tonight.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Reading this made me feel a lot better about the Bulls
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/columns/story?columnist=greenberg_jon&id=4926263
"Where is my poster machine??"
Oh man...what an awful article
1) No inside info…just guessing, which I can do fine on my on
2) Says Gibosn is better than Tyrus
3) Says Kirk’s value cannot be measured by his 38% shooting %
Forman could have written that junk
by hitlesswonder on Feb 19, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This it the second person who said LeBron is staying.
Sam Smith said because they landed Antawn Jamison he’s not going anywhere. Last night I was watching the Cavs game and Reggie Miller slipped up and said had the Cavs not made a deal that James was going to leave. Mike Brown is on the hot seat.
So it looks like Wade and Bosh are the main targets. Like they always were.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
It doesn't matter if 1 million people
say that Lebron is staying, as long as none of those people actually heard him say it. I don’t pretend to know what will Lebron will do, but I do know that guesses from more people doesn’t make something more true.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
I don't think LeBron knows now either
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What if they lose in the playoffs
its not inconcievable
And than Ledouche is more likely to leave
"What are you doing Dragic?!"
No he's not. Do you know him personally? Does he have a special handshake for you?
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
handshake didn't save Big Z :(
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He's getting a 30 day vacation.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
And perhaps a pay cut.....
Hmmm.
He’ll get some version of a buy out and vet minimum to come back after a 30 day vacation.
I know he’s a mult-millionaire already…
Sadly....through thick and thin....
that's not how it works.
He likely won’t get all of his $11 million. Or doesn’t have to work that way. They’ll typically offer less money than what he’s owed. That way they are paying less. Why else wouldn’t you just keep him on the roster but send him home (like Tim Thomas) so you’re not helping out another team. It’s not like the Wizards have to have the roster spot or something. Saving a couple of million (especially for a non-contender) is a big incentive to help another team).
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
From what I understand he gets his $11 million
However some of it comes out of clevelands pocket as opposed to Washington, which is the wizards incentive to release him
Then your understanding is wrong.
Tyger explained clearly…but I will try to clarify…
If he stays with the Wiz, he will get the full $11 Million, a portion of which is payed by Cleveland for the games he has played with them this season, the remaining amount to be paid by Washington…his full salary will count against the Wiz for tax purposes…
If he gets waived by the Wiz, and no team elects to pick him up (at full cost), the same scenario as above applies.
If he accepts a buyout, then he and the team can agree on the amount in which he will be paid for the remainder of the contract..In general, the player will accept less because they would prefer to be in a different situation (like Tim Thomas with the Bulls this season or Ben Wallace with the Suns) and the team holds the leverage over them being in that situation (the contract).
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
No
Tyger’s right.
Ben Wallace was paid what $9-10M instead of $14M to leave Phx at the start of the year, and then I thought well I went to Sham to confirm he’s getting $825,497 this year for the Pistons…
That’s a loss.
Happens every year…
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I don't see what that has to do with what I said
so it was just another opportunity for you to be a dumbass when it concerns LeBron. A real change of pace from you being a dumbass concerning Taj Gibson.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I was simply stating if they lose it increases his chances of leaving
And we are discussing the chances of leaving. Of course I don’t know that. But see, I can infer and speculate on things, based on his past actions. He REALLY REALLY wants to win.
And yes Ozzie, if booby and williams and west have a real bad playoff, Lebron will take that into consideration.
Bulls Suck!!! Fire Vinny!! The season doesn’t matter!! GarPAXDORF!!!! Blah, blah, blah.
"What are you doing Dragic?!"
by Trey23 on Feb 19, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
As someone said yesterday...
…maybe LeBron will want to stay in Cleveland to win his “hometown” a championship. If he wins, maybe he’ll be satisfied that he got the city that never gets over the hump, over the actual hump. Then, he’s more likely to relish a new challenge like in NYC or something. What do you have to refute that and support your argument.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Feb 19, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If he was that intent on staying in Cleveland he wouldve signed an extension by now
The fact that he hasn’t means he’s strongly considering another team.
That's pretty false. Why would he do Cleveland a favor by signing an extension
Instead of waiting to obtain the most financially pleasing deal?
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
i believe the point was
that if he signs an extension, he can’t get a true max contract. by becoming a “free agent” then he is entitled to a maximum amount of dollars from the team owning his bird rights
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
The difference is minimal
Compared to what he would get in advertising from going to Chicago, New York or LA.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 19, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
advertising?
he has a 100m contract from nike and he’s currently in cleveland
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
furthermore
lebron transcends markets, he’s already a global icon. guess who garners the most endorsement dollars in the nfl? hint: he plays in indianapolis. if i’m not mistaken, an extension doesn’t include the full 6 year term that a free agency contract provides. if the advertising dollars were truly going to make up any difference in salary, why doesn’t bron take less money to bring more players on board? these guys have egos, they won’t be settling for less than the maximum possible contract.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
If you don't think Peyton would get more in ny you're mistaken
That’s how eli gets paid despite being a mediocre qb
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 19, 2010 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
sure he would
but that doesn’t mean lebron wouldn’t earn the most endorsement money in the league if he was playing in okc or nyc. the idea that lebron’s going to a big market for endorsement dollars doesn’t seem to hold much water. he’s going to earn the biggest endorsement dollars regardless.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
also
you don’t think the whole manning family element plays a role in his endorsement dollars, or maybe that he won a super bowl? wonder how many endorsement dollars chad pennington reeled in while with the jets? lebron’s gonna cash in on endorsements regardless of his home team market.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
I don't doubt he will strongly consider many options.
I’m not sure I said he was “intent” on staying in Cleveland. Don’t read your own predeceptions into what I write, please.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Intent is a relative term
Your comment indicated he might be fairly intent on staying in Cleveland because it’s his home town. You didn’t use the word intent but that’s what you seem to have meant.
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
no, no it doesn't
either that, or you read something completely wrong into what i write. i’m not surprised of course. I’m just trying to help you out of your life of ignorance.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Feb 20, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
or he just wants to keep pressure on the cavs to make moves conducive to title runs.
i would do the same thing if i were him.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
by TheMoon on Feb 19, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed, its all
about be in position to get rings.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 19, 2010 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Also
He wants to win and him not signing the extension last summer has motivated Cleveland to do whatever they can to keep competing….as they could have just JR’d the situation and said, well we’re close and might win let’s just keep what we have….
But seeing that that didn’t work and fully knowing they need to keep LBJ they made a splashy, expensive move for SHAQ (risky too) and then went all out for Jamison for this year and maybe next, fully knowign given his age and if Lebron leaves it could be devastating….
I’m sure any franchise player likes knowing that their team is more concerned with the product on the floor and keeping the team competitive than just lining their pocketbooks…..because they’d still sell out to win teh 50-55 games and nice post seasons had they not kept trying to get better. Heck they paid a lot for the Mo Williams deal and paid to keep LBJ’s friend Varejao in line….
I hope post 2010 when we get our Max, Jerry will open the wallet like he used to do in the MJ days (or eventually did)…
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I think winning the title makes a big difference.
I also read the opposite that it would be like here you go Cleveland here is your title big I’m kinda a big deal and need a bigger pond. Which I think he does.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
It's hard leaving the place you grew up at and know
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Thats true.
Even harder when that places economy is dependent on you. Going to the Bulls the team that killed that franchise for a few decades. That would be cruel. I hope it happens.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
by SoulEater7 on Feb 19, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
he's said he identifies with Akron, not Cleveland
but I don’t think it’s very productive or entertaining to speculate on LeBron’s wishes. I think he doesn’t know and winning a title this year could swing it either way.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed..
Who knows what the rest of the teams in the leagues will do this summer either. I’m sure he will want to wait and see what every team looks like before he makes a decision. He has that luxury as the best player in the league, he doesn’t have to rush to make a decision.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 19, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
That's kind of what I thought
that the pick doesn’t have to be defined by year
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
it does make more sense that way
I thought maybe the rules wouldn’t allow it, but the NBA seems to be pretty good with making the rules practical on these types of things.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
In essence...
They had to lawyer up the contingency plan of the pick, such that it is available to the Bulls in the first season possible, and follow the contingencies through the remaining years…it makes sense to me that the first year it is possibly available is 2012, since the first year Charlotte’s traded pick could be conveyed is 2010 (and likely will be conveyed, as its top 10 protected)
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Why does the league pay Hunter's salary?
I couldn’t find any online resources explaining why. Any help would be appreciated.
I don't have the exact answer, but I'll give you my recollection of what I've read and you can determine if that's enough.
The CBA guarantees that players get paid a certain amount based on how long they’ve been in the league. However, to entice teams/owners to keep the older players instead of giving the job to a younger player, the league (in deference??? to the union) pays a chunk of that salary.
The Bulls can, therefore, keep Hunter on the roster as a player/coach, having a “veteran” but only pay out of pocket like he’s a rookie (or there about). That way they can waste the money on Pargo instead.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Feb 19, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Sorry, that might be the worst explanation ever.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Feb 19, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Basically, it's a way to keep old guys around.
The union likes it because of that. I’m sure the owners/Stern agreed to it for a compromise somewhere else.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
from Larry Coon
When a player has been in the NBA for three or more seasons, and is playing under a one-year, ten-day or rest-of-season contract, the league actually reimburses the team for part of his salary – any amount above the minimum salary level for a two-year veteran. For example, in 2005-06 the minimum salary for a two-year veteran is $719,373, so for a ten-year veteran, with a minimum salary of $1,138,500, the league would reimburse the team $419,127. Only the two-year minimum salary is included in the team salary, not the player’s full salary. They do this so teams won’t shy away from signing older veterans simply because they are more expensive when filling out their last few roster spots.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q11
So for this year a 2-year vet makes $825,497, and Hunter makes $1,306,455, with the league paying the difference.
I did not know that such a salary is also included in the team salary calculations, that’s interesting.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Damn
I love this abotu the NBA, the salary cap and luxury tax, etc is a perfect model and makes the trade season and scenarios so much more fun….and ever interesting.
I sure hope they find a way to still keep the salary cap and luxury tax threshold and these little juicy tidbits int he 2011 CBA….
I mean I know as a fan of a big market Chi team, the fan in me would love to see us go wild and spend 2-3x what the OKC’s, etc can do like they do in baseball (and have New York spend 2-3x what Chicago does)…but that totally sucks, especially in a league where teams play 8 guys and 1 guy can make or break a team/season and 2 guys with filler can lead to titles….if managed correctly and the right mix.
Stern and co done well….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Yet Stern
and company want to blow the current agreement up. Apparently the players make too much money.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
I know they want to lower salaries
Cuz they have to….and that’ll make it tough, but I do think Stern seems to prefer giving the OKC’s, New Orleans, Memphis’s etc a shot to win if they draft and build right….
And I think that is priority #1 from the chairman’s chair to keep in line….
Though from a league wide stance, the NBA would probably be more popular if New York could just spend $2B on 12 players every year and keep them always in the hunt.
It’s amazing that the Lakers year in year out manage their teams so well. I know location and luck is involved with that, but it’s funny that the opposite has been in New York the last 10-15 post Ewing save for the flukey 1999 season of craptitude luck)…
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I don't think it's a perfect system at all, but it is fun
I think the trading season would be better for the league if the salaries didn’t matter so much.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
But I think
At least as a fan (and a financial controller as I am) it makes it more interesting knowing all the financial implications short and long term of trades….kind of gets all the big fans to know more of a GM side, and having hard luxury and salary caps add a lot to it….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
yeah the system has some inherent flaws though
it definitely makes the trade deadline interesting, learning about who’s expiring, stephien rules, etc, but the fact that expiring contracts have become so valuable is problematic
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
by Illini0509 on Feb 19, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
and that's really interesting to hard core nerds only
I don’t think it’s a very accessible system.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It is very hard core nerdy
I’d give you that….
At least math nerdy…
But I like it.
The problem with the contracts is definitely the lenght of the contracts, 6 years is a long time to throw away this kind of money,
I mean—knock on keyboard—say we get Wade and in game 3 he gets a ankle knee injury misses that year and then Grant Hill’s us for the next 4 afterward only to come back in year 6 (or 5 depending on sign and trade or not) and is now older and slower and knee injuried up….that sucks….
And that is something that needs to change because the fans of those teams are asked to wait out the 5-6 years of mediocrity because the superstar player got hurt and then sucked….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I agree...
And my second biggest knock is that most of the contracts are guaranteed…so you have a team like Orlando with Grant Hill, and they are in essence screwed because they can’t cut him/waive him while injured…or more recently with the BUlls, Ben Wallace was nicknamed the corpse, because his skill level had so dramatically declined…imagine the Bulls could have just cut him after year two because of sucking…we would have not had to endure the Larry Hughes/John Salmons eras….
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
I don't think they'll get around the ability to waive an injured guy
I think that’s there for the players benefit, and while it sucks, it’s a risk all teams and their fans have to take. If a player is good enough to get a max contract, or if a GM is dumb enough to give one to an injured guy, or if a good player without injuries gets hurt….then that player should be resolved from being released….
I think maxxing the years to 4 instead of 6, will save that from being a disaster like it is now (I think it used to be gasp 7 years)….
But they have to keep some things for the players.
I’d love to see a league where the max guys can max at x dollars like today but say they earn 70% of that salary, then have the other 30% be on games played,
50 games they get 20% of the remainig
at 60 games they get 25%
and 68 games they get 100%….
Keeps guys playing.
Injuries suck, but that saves teh fans from having guys sit too long and Boozer it up.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
by majoyenrac on Feb 19, 2010 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think you should ever be able to cut/waive a guy for being injured.
That’s just not fair. Maybe take his salary off the official books or whatever if he can’t play again… oh wait.
About sucking… I don’t know. If a player has actually gotten that bad, then it’s the team’s fault for signing a guy that relies so much on athleticism at an advanced age. Otherwise, the Bulls would easily go out and get Joe Johnson with the PLAN of cutting him in two or three years if he starts to decline. I don’t like that idea at all.
Teams should be smarter, both in analysis (I am honestly skeptical if the Bulls know as much about the declining skills of SG as YaoPau does) and in long-term strategy.
Otherwise, why couldn’t you just cut someone every single year?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Feb 19, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Should still pay the guy
Just shouldn’t ruin your cap situation. Don’t hurt the team just b/c your superstar is done.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 19, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
"I don't think you should ever be able to cut/waive a guy for being injured. That's just not fair"
Which is why the NFL is terrible for its players.
"Otherwise, why couldn’t you just cut someone every single year?"
Another indication that the NBA has a much better fiscal mandate than the NFL: NFL teams do exactly this every season.
Which is why – in my opinion – if MLB ever attempts to institute some form of a salary-cap, it should/will (the MLB Players Union is supremely powerful relative to its cousins) be informed by the NBA paradigm, as opposed to the NFL’s draconian system.
[Sorry for diverging into other professional sports: I realize it’s a bit of a faux pas on this site.]
Exactly
Teams fault and the player that gets a max deal worked hard at that max deal and well deserves it cuz that was the market.
But the lenght of contracts should be a bit shorter….just because if they get injured in game 3 and can’t come back for years, it’s so hard on the fans….that’s the only flaw with the hard cap.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I'd agree with that.
Guaranteed contracts still, but I wouldn’t hate a smaller cap, and 4/5 year contracts instead of 5/6. Probably save the owners a lot of money, since they’re so broke.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Ha
Yeah they’re so broke :) it is f-ing ridiculous that they cry poor citing lost revenues and red margins, yet own their teams outright and are sitting on team values that increase probably 100% every 10 years….and are already at $500M/pop….
Poor owners, plus as the players pointed out they cry poor with the NBA revenues, but often have concessions hitting another company and have stadium hitting another company and have merchandise hitting another company just so they can say “wah” we’re losing $20M this year on the little piece of the overall piece that we “claim” as our team….
Oh well. Must benice.
But I do think from a fan perspective a lesser max term is better than than 6 years…..
Sadly....through thick and thin....
by majoyenrac on Feb 19, 2010 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow...you guys are like a bunch of NBA Marxists...
And you believe the owners are exploiting the players…meanwhile the players are coddled in a world of luxury…private jets, five star meals and first class accommodations…
Most employees do not have guaranteed contracts, most of us are “at will” employees, meaning we show up and work everyday and that is how we get paid…I don’t see why the NBA should be any different.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
hehe, you replied to yourself
hahaha
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Feb 20, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If the players are rich,
the owners are much richer.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Feb 20, 2010 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
You're missing the poinst
The NBA should not be any different (than it is already); instead “most of us,” as employees, should have labor standards which more closely conform to those of the NBA.
But, we don’t — mostly because most NBA players work a hell of a lot harder at their job than you or I do at ours.
true
i guess i kinda forget about that :)
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
Like many who post here?
and that’s really interesting to hard core nerds only
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Feb 19, 2010 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
always a fun excercise
our new core (per Gar) is still intact!
Rose/Hinrich
Hinrich/ Hinrich
Hinrich
Taj
Noah
ok, kidding.
Starters: Rose-Hinrich-Deng-Taj-Noah
First guard off the bench: likely Flip Murray. I’m not sure if Pargo overtook Devin Brown or if that was showcasing, but either of them is the next guard. Hinrich will be playing a LOT of minutes.
Miller would probably be the first big, when Taj gets his two fouls, Warrick would be next and he can slide to the 3 when Deng comes out.
That’s the 8 man rotation, plus Pargo/Brown for emergencies. They’ll have Hunter and James on IR, the 3rd IR spot being Alexander or Law.
I suppose they could send James Johnson down to the D-League now with Alexander there to soak up minutes, but I think the Bulls don’t value the D-League as much as ‘Tuesdays with Lindsey’, they’re weekly meetings on empowerment and thrust.
And with Noah hurt…well that’s a problem.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I think Hinrich has the tangibles to play center
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
It would be great to see
It written, he can defend 1-5’s well :) despite giving up 8-10 inches in height.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I think he does too, J Theory but only on one condition
Do you think Dwight Howard will lend him his Superman cape?
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 19, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
It's old core mixed with new core.
I find it interesting Gar never mention building around Rose but rather keeping a core.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
yeah, while he leads with Rose
it’d be better if he just said we have a core of one. Maybe two with Noah.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
I'm sorry he said Nucleus.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
that tuesdays with lindsey line killed me
especially after i just ripped the bulls org a new asshole below for failing to use the d league
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
do'h I go back to admire my own work
and notice I used the wrong ‘their’
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
their "weekly meetings on empowerment and thrust"
Do they hire Hunter out on corporate retreats and the like?
Is Joe Alexander going to give the Bulls anything?
Do they have any interest in him at all beyond his expiring contract? I haven’t heard much word on the Bulls views of him. I know he sucks, but he was the 8 pick last season.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 19, 2010 11:02 AM CST reply actions
With anyone drafted that high
Doesn’t hurt to get the kick the tires while you have him under contract. The probably don’t expect much or anything at all, but I’m sure they’ll give him a chance to show something.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 19, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
he seems like an Org. guy
draft express notes some of his strengths: strong intangibles, leadership in the clutch (whatever that means), competitiveness, undersized, mid range jumper
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
He's extremely similar to Tyrus Thomas
Alexander, more than anything else, looked like a raw physical specimen. Look at his athletic testing results. Very speedy, very good jumping ability. Almost the same size as Tyrus.
It seems like the main difference is Tyrus always said he was a SF and was told to play inside, whereas Alexander was always sort of left to float around.
Tyrus got a lot bigger though, right?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
That and Thomas has actual basketball skills.
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by tyger1147 on Feb 19, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Strong intangibles lead to winning basketball. So it's said.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I doubt Vinny gives him any minutes
he’d be basically competing with James Johnson, and the team has far more invested in Johnson no matter how they view Alexander.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
though VDN and the Org. don't talk about rotations
so who knows. Maybe he grinds the hell out of a practice and wins those minutes. Alexander doesn’t have the rep of being fundamentally sound, either. Probably because he doesn’t have a true position.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Pete Myers vs Jordan
Alexander is going to elevate Deng and James Johnsons game during practice, he’s a beast.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Watching him play
he always looks out of control on the offensive end. More so than James Johnson, if that means anything. Defense doesn’t seem to be his strength either. I can see why he was sent to the D league. Hopefully Joe Alexander will serve as a cautionary tale for James Johnson, and he’ll lose weight and work on his outside shot all summer.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
the Bulls are running their very own Scared Straight training program
next, they’ll have Marcus Fizer speak to JJ about the pitfalls of neck tattoos.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 19, 2010 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
this organization needs to start using the damn d-league better
alexander is never going to get off the bench here, and is going to be gone after this year unless he re-ups with us for the minimum or something; put his ass in the d-league and let him play and see if he develops. similarly, there’s guys in the d-league like mike taylor and reggie williams who could help us now, yet the org acts like the d-league doesn’t even exist. send alexander down, sign taylor or williams, and see if they can give you more than asshats like flip, pargo, and dev brown give you.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
they should send either Alexander or James Johnson down
but they don’t value the league. Last time someone got sent down he got his face broken by a criminal, so I sort of see their point.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
and there was also the pee-on incident
i think my bigger issue is with them refusing to call players up from the d league who are playing well and are obviously younger and better than the schmucks we have on the bench.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
that's a league-wide issue.
lots of favors to be made out there.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
I will say this
James Johnson is the leagues MVC:
Most valueable cheerleader. I mean I see that Rose on Dragic commercial all the time and then see James Johnson’s jump up and down out of his seat cheer (and every game now you see it with every Rose move)….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
He made Gray expendable
After Gray made himself expandable.
by Sports2 on Feb 19, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yea they are good friends,even share rooms on the road sometimes to play video games.
So tigger gets extra happy and starts bouncing around when his good friend pooh shits on someone.
by TruEChiFaN... on Feb 19, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Deng should know him from the British team right?
Maybe he has some inside info that led to the bulls targeting him.
He wasn't on that team
why are you assuming he was on that team, or even british?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
because I've spent the last 2 days thinking Joe Alexander and Joel Freeland were the
same player. Now I realize Joe Alexander is not Joel Freeland.
So who the hell is Joe Alexander?
by silentpete on Feb 19, 2010 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
hahah, that's awesome!!!
from west virginia
he beat duke one time so everyone thought he was great
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that was pretty awesome when they abused Duke though
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Tyrus abused Duke :(
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
One of my favorite NCAA tourney performances of all time
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
it was
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Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
He is a D-League player now...
I suspect he will give the Bulls what any D-Leaguer would give you…see Johnson, James or Richard, Chris.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
If Alexander plays
I will be shocked. We don’t really have guys with the Iowa Energy.
Maybe he gets minutes the way Shannon Brown did last year.
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by NBA Observer on Feb 19, 2010 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
Now with Tyrus gone, he could be the Bulls representative in next year's slam dunk contest.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 19, 2010 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
I thought Richard
was useful in a way. He did grab some boards and pick up fouls enough for Brad to get a breather. I just hope Noah doesn’t try and rush back in. I want him fully healthy.
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I'm buying tickets for Feb. 20th. First home game after the trade deadline. Will I be happy?
by Yibs on Feb 19, 2010 11:14 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I couldn't believe
how inept he was on offense. There has to be a big man out there who can do better. Zydrunas llgauskus?
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
seriously
he made ben wallace look good. it was awful.
i appreciated some of the shit he did but it was really hard to believe he could be that bad.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I beg to differ with your "he made ben wallace look good" comment
It should have read “he made Ben Wallace look less hideous”.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 19, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
regardless
anyone who makes ben wallace look better than the trash he is on offense, is really quite pathetic.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Z on the bulls?
that would be amazing. Talk about spacing the floor! “Just stand there in the corner Z and wait for Derrick Rose to pass”
Bosh or Bust
by JockstrapNoah on Feb 19, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
I would love that too
But innit Luxury tax if we take on his min salary?
Even if it’s a good player to maybe who knows make us more a legit shot at 2nd round….(if we can win up enough to get to the 5th seed and face likely Boston)….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
read the post?
Bulls should have enough room for the min. Other teams can pay more since they will pay the tax.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
That's what I was talking about
I guess I wrote min salary (I meant his lower salary)….my bad
Sadly....through thick and thin....
We can always try and lure Antonio Davis or PJ Brown to play
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- fundamentallysound
They know the Org.!
I’m not shedding any tears for Richard either, but it’s surprising they’re not even being rumored for a 3rd big.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
and yes, now knowing how the deadline went
the Gray/Brown deal looks crummy.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
but that is what kills me about the Bulls lack of foresight
they knew Taj and Noah were battling injuries. They knew they were likely to at least attempt to trade Tyrus. They know Miller is ancient. Still, they trade their 3rd string center before they have to.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 19, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Gray probably yelled at Vinny.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Gray actually did yell at Vinny
and rumor has it, he threatened to sit on him in a fit of rage if VDN wasn’t ever going to play him.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 19, 2010 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I understand their reasoning completely...
The team was trying really hard to trade Salmons before the deadline, and this deal presented itself as a way to move bad for less bad…upon examination of the less bad (Brown), the team determined that one night of hot shooting against them was a fluke, and Devin Brown is a tall Jannero Pargo…the move was made to be able to trade Salmons for anyone with an expiring…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
of course you understand the reasoning
you agree with everything the organization does. We could have waited to find Salmons replacement until we actually traded Salmons. Obviously there wasn’t much of a market for Brown since he was traded for Aaron Gray. And of course you failed to address the substance of my post; the known problems in the front court, which is why they presumably resigned Gray in the first place (in case of injury, oldness or trade).
And if they made the decision to trade for Brown off one hot shooting performance, than they are far dumber than anyone on this site gives them credit for. One look at his stats lets you know he sucks. The second clue is that New Orleans was willing to give him away for Aaron Gray.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 19, 2010 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously, Gray was terrible to start with and got even more terrible by being terribly out of shape
He was no solution to any problem.
by Sports2 on Feb 19, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wait, are you complaining that Gray was given away?
If the season boils down to having to play Aaron Gray substantial minutes, then they’ve reached rock bottom.
I don’t see the big deal in playing Taj at center and Luol more minutes at the PF. They’re going to be at a disadvantage without Tyrus and Noah anyways, and Gray is fucking awful at everything.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
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by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm more complaining about the lack of foresight
The Bulls now have no back up Center. If they thought/knew Gray was so terrible, why did they sign him in the first place? If he is so terrible that he should never get on the court, don’t offer him a contract. We aren’t talking about a guy on the last year of a rookie deal, we are talking about someone who the Bulls extended an offer to. They chose Aaron Gray.
My point is, if you are going to do that, than why trade the guy before you have too? Do the Bulls need a back up center? Yes. Is that why they signed Aaron Gray? Yes. Are they playing the guy they traded him for? No.
Its not just about this. This will obviously not hurt the Bulls in the long run (although I can’t wait to see Taj body up with Shaq or Dwight Howard). The Bulls do not plan ahead. They are making decisions as they come up, and not thinking 3 steps ahead. If the Houston Rockets were the Bulls, they would have traded Tracy McGrady two weeks ago for Jordan Hill and Larry Hughes. Instead, they waited, showed a little planning, and got the result they wanted. Its short term thinking
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 19, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
Before the season it looked like gray could be a contributor
But then he injured his foot, never got back into shape and became worthless. You can’t blame that in the org. And as for your point about waiting to find a salmons replacement after trading salmons, I never viewed brown as a salmons replacement. To me he was a possible alternative to pargo, which is a good thing.
To add to that
this is why I didn’t want Aaron Gray on the team in the 1st place. Or Lindsey Hunter. Or Pargo. Or any of the other scrubs at the end of the Bulls bench. I remember being shouted down – “Who cares if the Bulls sign Hunter? He won’t matter. Who cares if they sign Pargo? He knows the Bulls and could provide instance offense. Who cares about Gray? 3rd string center”
You care because either because of trades or injuries, these guys will always get on the court. If the Bulls had spent a little more time getting guys who could play in the preseason instead of just organization guys, maybe we wouldn’t have traded Tyrus so we could get Flip Murray to fill out our rotation. We brought in guys as good as Flip Murray and Acie Law in camp but we cut them for organization guys.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 19, 2010 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
I remember those same things
it pissed me off at the time (as well as passing on Blair but whatever now). Mainly because they cut guys who were younger and useful to add those bums.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
You're being much too hard on the organization and Brown, Smurf.
They made the trade because Devin had the hot hand, having converted 6 of his last 37 shots, a sizzling .162 which is just slightly less than Hunter’s at .167.
I also have to disagree that they are far dumber than anyone on this site gives them credit for. On the contrary, I’m on this site and I give them full credit for being as dumb as a box of rocks. I’m sure some others would also agree.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 19, 2010 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
In retrospect, the Bulls came out with the short end of the stick on that deal
Granted, it was a very short stick.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 19, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
"the Gray/Brown deal looks crummy"
Considering the Bulls unloaded Aaron Gray in the “Gray/Brown” deal, that statement is pretty painful to absorb.
I think Kevin Willis is still playing.....
yeah that Gray/Brown trade looks real bad. I doubt the Org gives another player money to go away but it might be a possibilty if there is a veteran cut loose.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Kenny Thomas was cut yesterday
the good ones (like Z) are going go to contenders. I’d almost say a D-Leaguer is better, but Chris Richard is pretty bad.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
Well, there are other D-Leaguers. Don't the Bulls have scouts to run around and....scout?
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
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by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Chris Richard was in training camp. Gar speaks highly of his character.
dude its Org. guy for life, no matter how other players actually perform in the D-league.
And I’m serious about that.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
If it wasn't for all the Knicks fans in my class actually excited about T-Mac the player
I’d be pretty sad right now.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
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by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
it doesn't really matter much given it's the end of the bench
but it just cements the Loyalty > Performance edict of the Org.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
linton johnson proves that
at least chris richard is big and strong. linton johnson wouldnt play for most d-1 teams
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
It's character that really counts with Gar. Talent is irrelevant.
That’s why Melo could never be a Bull even if we could get him for nothing.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 19, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
"stop snitchin'"
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If a player is sent to the D-League does it open up a roster spot?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
nope.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
I still think
I’d rather see Brown give us nothing than see Gray on the court (causing an opponents scoring run).
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Well, you're getting your wish because that's what Brown gives us....NOTHING.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 19, 2010 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
But at least not
A huge run where the post guy moves out a bit and causes a switch leaving the guard by the FT line, where EVERY FUCKING TIME Gray would run out to the FT line instead of staying by the rim, and it would spark a run cuz he’s way too slow for any PG in the league….or guard, or forward, or well Center…
Sadly....through thick and thin....
according to this site
the list of available big really don’t give me much hope… D-League might be the best way. Unless Mutombo wants to come back, or maybe Ruffin Part 3.
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I'm buying tickets for Feb. 20th. First home game after the trade deadline. Will I be happy?
blech
we’re all assuming that Jerome James ‘so my kids can see daddy played basketball’ comeback was just a joke?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
haha
this should be enough proof for the kids, no?
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I'm buying tickets for Feb. 20th. First home game after the trade deadline. Will I be happy?
Bulls are right
headbands do make you look silly. Is Gerald Green even in the league anymore? We’ll always have the cupcake dunk I suppose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQbgxJnC0a8
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
Nope, Russia
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by NBA Observer on Feb 19, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
Nice little shot at the Bulls at the end there.
Have fun watching the Bobcats. You’re a freakin joke.
"What are you doing Dragic?!"
6pm CST! LeBron Vs. the LeBron Stopper Tyrus Thomas
If you think THAT’S a joke I don’t know what to tell ya.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
recording it for sure, in case he does play tonight
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I'm buying tickets for Feb. 20th. First home game after the trade deadline. Will I be happy?
damn!
I wish I could watch that.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Why isn't that game on ESPN tonight?
It’s one of the best on the schedule.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 19, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
btw, any time you feel nervous about making the playoffs
just look at the East standings. There is only a single contender for a playoff spot and that’s the Bucks.
The back-to-back wins over NY were appropriately glossed over this week but they may be important, if by some odd chance that T-Mac can play, plus they acquired Sergio Rodriguez and Eddie House. They could be slightly better, perhaps. Losing Larry Hughes always is at least a win.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 12:10 PM CST reply actions
It'd be nice to see the Bucks make the playoffs only if at the expense of the Heat or Raptors
Make it a little less likely Bosh or Wade sticks around if they couldn’t even make the playoffs. Of course, that doesn’t guarantee they come to Chicago, but it doesn’t hurt.
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by JockstrapNoah on Feb 19, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah I'd say the Raps are safe
but the Heat are more in trouble. They’ve had a good stretch after their awful road trip, but Wade got hurt last game.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
yeah im not a doctor but it sounds pretty bad when you hear one of your leg muscles "pop."
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Would be funny if Salmons provides the push they need to surpass the Bulls.
Then he ops out anyway so his contract turns out not to be the albatross the bulls thought it would be.
honestly, i do think he'll opt out anyway
he’s 30 – i think he’ll get more guaranteed years if he gets a new contract this season, not to mention avoids the new CBA.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I thought he wouldn't when he was playing so terrible to start the season
but it’s possible he will. I’m glad I don’t have to worry about it
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
maybe i was optimistic
enough to think he wouldn’t be THAT terrible the entire season.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Maybe he stays on the Bulls
but opts out on Milwaukee. You’ll never really know.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
maybe he opts out with Milwaukee
and the Bulls resign him for 4 years $28 million
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 19, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
i like both house and sergio. and sergio is sooooo much better than duhon. i think they got a little better.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
I agree
I hope Sergio plays most of the PG minutes.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 19, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
Why would hope for that?
Are you a Knicks fan?
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Hate the Knicks
I do want them to be good because I like beating them so much.
But I want to see Sergio gets minutes for our future considerations.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 19, 2010 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
probaby because sergio is fun to watch and knows how to run the break and how
to run an offense. i think he’ll be a big hit in NY, and for the time being they need something to be happy about.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
why hasn't anybody summarized or linked to the Hollinger trade grades for the bulls?
Nothing interesting in there?
it is so frustrating that the best place to chat about the bulls is dominated by a whiny drama queen moderator with a man crush on an average SG......6 recs
by BigforkBullsFan on Feb 19, 2010 12:25 PM CST reply actions
Going for Lebron - per hollinger
Positive spin: The Bulls had cap space this summer, but not enough to make a run at a max free agent. Moving John Salmons for expiring contracts accomplished that. The Bulls now look to be between $18 million and $19 million under the cap this summer — enough to pay Wade, LeBron or Bosh.
With Derrick Rose, Luol Deng and Joakim Noah as a supporting cast, the Bulls should have a very persuasive pitch. The team also salvaged a protected first-round pick from Charlotte for Tyrus Thomas.
Negative spin: In the short term, the Bulls hurt themselves. Currently, they are in the playoff hunt. After the trade of Salmons and Thomas, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Bucks pass them. The trade of Thomas was also a painful admission that the Bulls made the wrong selection in the 2006 draft — they picked Thomas over Brandon Roy and Rudy Gay.
"Where is my poster machine??"
by markoni22 on Feb 19, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
TY
it is so frustrating that the best place to chat about the bulls is dominated by a whiny drama queen moderator with a man crush on an average SG......6 recs
by BigforkBullsFan on Feb 19, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously were Tyrus and Salmons really that much of a difference maker?
I think not.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Well....Flip's got a broke jumper and Hakim is not so good on defense
When you consider that Brad and Taj aren’t particularly good at offering resistance to good front court players, I think we took a hit on both offense and defense.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
Maybe we can get an overachieving push like last season.
Ok who am I kidding. BG was hitting unreal shots!
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
they have a small margin of error
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
maybe not, but when you replace them with worse players that hurts.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Well, people can argue BG wasn't that important.
But, expecting Jannero Pargo to replace him is going to make the team worse.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
That's actually Chad Ford's comments
Hollinger gave grades to each individual trade. He gave the Bulls a B- for the Tyrus trade (Bobcats, B+) and a B+ for the Salmons trade (Bucks, B). He gave assessments for the trades, but if you want to read them, you should just fork over the $30 or whatever Insider costs.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
Cheaper if you buy the mag
Which I think you can get for $15…
Still that mag is a landfill waiting to happen, so I unsubscribed. It’s like 95% advertisements, 4% pictures and 1% articles and all of those are crappy, poorly written ESPN bias….
The internet piece is a billion times better than the mag, but the cheap way to get the insider (internet piece) is to buy that crappy magazine.
I’m not the biggest tree hugger out there, but I hugged some trees after having that mag come for 7-8 months before realizing it was bad for the environment. And knowing that the insider online is 2-4x as expensive as the mag, I’ve never bought insider again…..
And well Hollinger sucks.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I've actually found some decent articles in there in the past
ESPN the Mag was the first place I read about Marvin Harrison’s thug life in Philly, and that was a year and a half before the story broke big
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
See yeah
I should add I only watch the NBA and some college bball, but rally it’s 90-95% NBA….and that’s not covered.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
(Un)Interesting Subplot:
Has Kurt forgotten being posterized by Flip Murray in the 2007 playoffs? Has Flip Murray forgotten being “accidentally” punched in the groin during said dunk?
"Ford! You're turning into a Penguin! Stop it!"
-Arthur Dent
Remember the score of that game?
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 19, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
even more interesting: will vinny call him flip murphy?
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
by TheMoon on Feb 19, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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