Post-Deadline: no more moves
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 2:26 PM CST
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What stood earlier this afternoon still does: Salmons and Tyrus out, Warrick/Alexander/Law/Murray (all expiring) in. Bulls will have had to waive someone.
There is new news on the pick compensations: Bulls have given Bucks right to swap 2010 first rounders, and also given the Bucks their 2011 and 2012 second round draft picks. Bulls already owed 2010 second rounder to Portland for acquiring rights to Omer Asik two years ago, and they've made clear they don't really value the things, what when ends of benches can be filled with organizational favors. Nothing further on that future first rounder from Charlotte.
A lot depends on how you valued Tyrus, but these deals today have certainly made the Bulls worse. They really lose some defense in the downgrade of Thomas to Warrick (Kurt Thomas actually could've helped in that area), and right when their 3-point shooting had risen to competence we'll be seeing Salmons' shots replaced by Flip Murray.
The key going into this deadline was clearing 2010 money, with a secondary goal of not making themselves so much worse that they miss the playoffs. I think they did that.
I'll have more later, for now I'm starting to really feel the end of the Tyrus Thomas era. Check out YaoPau's writeup of Hakim Warrick, and scouting reports for the other acquisitions here.
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Joakim and Hakim!
time to make a shirt!
You're my assistant! You're supposed to back me up and go get me juiceboxes whenever I want. Now go get me a juicebox!
lol.. i like that
- I miss Spooneybarger :(
by Mighty Healthy on Feb 18, 2010 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
That’s better. I’m too old for kim possible :). THuogh I lived with my nephews and at least heard of it….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Overall, I'm pretty pleased
The main purpose was to guarantee the cap room for a max FA, and secondary to that is to remain a playoff contender this year. Both were achieved. I was HOPING for a major acquisition, but I’m happy with what we got.
mehh - im not that pleased
trade kirk or bust – unless we trade him this summer – but lets be serious – they will never trade this guy
"Where is my poster machine??"
by markoni22 on Feb 18, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So if they traded Kirk, but still weren't
guaranteed enough for an FA, you’d be more pleased than you are now?
no i wouldnt
i sound like a jerk off – i like kirk i really do … ur right..im just in-different at this point
"Where is my poster machine??"
I can understand that
Believe me, I’d be happy if they were able to trade Kirk’s contract, but getting enough cap room for the summer is wayyyyyyyyyy more important.
The weird thing about it
While Kirk’s stats don’t wow you, we’ve been CONSIDERABLY better as a team since he moved back into the starting lineup. Much as we were considerably better last year once he got healthy post trade deadline.
Kirk’s defense is a real key and something that’s not measured and totally overlooked.
If only he made $4M less….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I know
and that’s pretty much my exact position. I really like Hinrich a lot, and I’m glad he’s on the Bulls. I’m just as “not glad” that his contract is on the Bulls, too.
Right, and his
declining ability, I just wanted to trade him before his game fell off like Kenny Anderson, Nick Anderson, and Lionel Simmons, those guys became useless, Kirk’s decline could be headed in that direction.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 18, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Very possible
So let’s root for a sign-and-trade nabbing us Bosh this summer, and then go out to sign Wade or Johnson at SG.
Huh?
I can dream, can’t I?
by kozzer on Feb 18, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Not declining ability
Just a declining role, his numbers in january (after he was starting again) were up… and they’ve been down in feb only because Rose has been demanding the call more
derrick has been demanding the ball more, which is good.
but that still leaves a lot of possessions for hinrich to make something happen— but he hasnt.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
by TheMoon on Feb 18, 2010 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He still is perhaps another year plus away if that happens at all
And these days that expiring contract is more valueable than play for guys who are declining.
Kirk shouldn’t really be declining though….and frnakly I don’t see it. I think it’s more his role changed to one that doens’t maximize his strengths, though what he does still helps the team.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I'd be happy trading Kirk
I would, but I don’t want to trade Kirk for a bag of peas and a carrot when he’s actually not bad, just because his contract isn’t hte best…..
I mean Kirk fit in better playing out of position as a starter than Salmons did as a starter playing out of position. We’re under the cap. Kirk’s ability to jump in to backup the PG is a real need as it avoids Pargo time and well Kirk’s a solid PG….and on top of that while the numbers aren’t jaw dropping, our records been much better with Kirk out there….and the same f-ing thing happened last year…..
Perhaps Gar/Pax have back office number things like Morey that they don’t contstantly self promote to espn… :)
Hinrich is solid and there’s a value in his ability to play his role and be versatile to fill in as a lesser 2 or decent 1 guard and defend well the 1-3’s in the leauge.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Kurt still has that annoying look on his face.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Feb 18, 2010 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
Nobody wants kirk..
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
by SoulEater7 on Feb 18, 2010 2:31 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
well that'd be better news than the Bulls overvaluing him
but I think they still do. At least they didn’t overvalue the importance of this season, which I was somewhat worried about.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
somehow that still managed to keep me desapointed
as dealing salmons wasn’t that hard, specially with the package the bulls gave.
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
The other teams missing the big picture
Who cares about things like eFG%, PER, or 3Pt%?
A trend of declining averages since 06-07? Salary cap inflexibility?
We’ve got leadership! Toughness! Intangibles!
All the things that money can buy (but can’t trade away)….
by Kevin C on Feb 18, 2010 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I can already hear
VDN “well, I think that Hakim, Joe, Flip and Acie give us a lot of thrust!”
"I want people to fear me"- Derrick Rose.
On the half-time report...
“Well, Hinrich is 1-13 but look at his intangibility! He is just so …. wow I can put it words… or numbers… it’s just… he’s a leader”
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
His role has significantly changed
That explains the “declining averages”….crap.
He was forced as a pure shooter off the bench for 2 months this year, and hasn’t been our main PG for 2 years now. Battled injuries last year…
I would say put him as a starting PG again and you’d see at least a 14-15 PER….and that doesn’t accurately measure his defense.
Kirk is not a combo guard, never was a combo guard…yet was miraculously billed as a combo guard as an excuse for hte org to keep him when our top 1-3 PG came last year.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
He could never shoot well,
06-07 that is the best you’ll get from Hinrich, I knew when he started to decline as a player, the decline would not be good, he peaked long ago as a player, people don’t like his contract, and people hate the fact that in terms of management he has almost the same value as Rose, and the fact they view him as untradeable, and still push the BS that they’ll look to deal him in the off-season, and org has a missconception of his value around the league
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 18, 2010 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He's a career 37.7 3 Pt shooter
Kirks never been a solid shooter…but he’s also had over 35% of his career shots be the 3ball. BG has had 31% of his shots be the 3 ball….
Deng’s had 6%
Rose has had 4%
Hell gunner’s like Kevin Martin are at 31%….
Hinrich’s shooting % is lessened because his role on this team has been to shoot more percentage of 3’s which as a rule go in less than the closer shots.
And he shoots the 3 ball well….
Kirk’s never been a creative jump shooter/create his own shot player, but he has been good with the ball.
Shooting 3-4% more 3’s at a lower percentage to make rate, probably lowers his FG% a point or 2 compared to other players.
Essentially again he’s good at what he does….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
except that in the end he needs 10 shots to score 10 points a night.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
by TheMoon on Feb 18, 2010 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well 11 to score 13
But again that’s why he’s a PG. He shoots a lot of 3’s as a bail out option.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
His misses a lot of wide
open shots
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 18, 2010 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
no im pretty sure its 10.1 shots per game to score 10.3 points.
but at least gar can tell the fans that the bulls starting SG’s FG% compares favorably with that of bob cousy
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
tALKING CAREER
I wonder what starter Kirk is doing compared to benchy Kirk…
Sadly....through thick and thin....
THis is pure BS. His role doesn't explain his poor shooting which is the #1
reason his numbers have declined. Nobody is asking Kirk to pass out 6 assist a game. They just want him to shoot greater than 40% from the field.
Kirk is a combo guard. He played off the ball with Duhon. He played off the ball in college. He spent a lot of time off the ball with Gordon. And now he plays off the ball with Rose. The evidence strongly suggests that Hinrich is a combo guard.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
what about defending guys making him tired?
I never get sick of that one.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i haven't heard that one since Gordon left
that one use to drive me crazy
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2010 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, since when was Kirk a pure PG?
Maybe Wendy can back me up, but I thought he played SG in college.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
Depends on the year.
He moved to SG whenever KU had someone that needed to play PG and played PG when KU didn’t have someone else to run the team.
(Sort of the classic combo guard situation, no?)
Um ok
So we lose our instant offense guy (BG) and force a PG who’s been more a facilitator and when open jump shooter into being more a 2 guard and then say that that has nothing to do with his FG%’s being down?
I think it has quite a bit to do with that, and add in the fact that we were figuring out how to play where it’s not only just 1 guy who creates the offense and Kirk’s role changed every game or 2 the first month and a half.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I think
having another guard who can pass has helped Derrick.
I see us as more 2 PG’s than a true combo guard, again because Hirncih can handle and pass (unlike say jump shooting Allen, etc) and yet cannot create his own shot consistently.
I think the reason he gets looped as a combo is because he can hit the open outside shot…..but without any ability to create his shot (Ray Allen could and still at times can, for a jump shooting 2) and with the ability to pass and dribble consistently well I see a PG mroe in Kirk….
If he could create a bit mroe, I’d say combo, but the only combo thing about him is that he’s a good outside shooter for a PG.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Ray Allen is a pure shooting guard
He is about as pure of a shooting guard as you will find. The comparison leaves much to be desired.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2010 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
I was saying
Ray Allen is a pure SG but one more with a 3 bent…that’s all.
Ray can create well and often, though these days creates less.
Not talking for his career at all. Where Allen was one of the most underrated players in the league for years making the alls tar game what 7-8 times pre Boston all from coaching or injury replacements, yet being remarkably awesome.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I agree he's more on the PG end of the spectrum
I just definitely see the argument that he is a combo guard.
As my post shows
he frequently has played the role of secondary facilitator on many, many teams in many, many years.
If his role is to hit wide open shots, why would that change with Rose? He gets more wide open shots than he ever does.
Me calling Kirk Hinrich a combo guard isn’t an insult. Its a recognition of all his talents. If Hinrich couldn’t play minutes at the 2, like a pure point guard (i.e. Conley or Duhon or C.Paul etc.) than he would truly be worthless to the Bulls.
As it is, his value is derived from the very fact that he is a combo guard. That he can handle and and act as a spot up shooter. That he doesn’t need the ball in his hands to be effective. That he can guard multiple positions. I don’t see the problem.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2010 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
PG's
shoot more open shots as a bail out….
Kirk can’t create. If you can’t create, how are you a shooting guard? Especially when you can pass……
Sadly....through thick and thin....
i think there are a lot more shooting guards who just stand outside
and chuck shots than there are point guards who can’t penetrate into the lane. Reggie Miller is going to make the HOF not having created a shot in his life. I think spot-up shooter is a very popular form of shooting guard.
This is kind of a moot argument. Its really hard to categorically define the requisite skills that make up any one position in the NBA. There is enough variety to make it a moot point.
I just find it odd that you wouldn’t call a player who started at 2 guard during several different seasons on multiple teams (kansas and Chicago) a combo guard. Yeah, he is more of a point guard than a 2. But its not like we are talking about Chris Paul.
Scott Skiles at various times in his tenure with the Bulls preferred Duhon to run the point over Hinrich. He felt the Bulls offense ran smoother with Duhon at the controls. Duhon. Scott Skiles, VDN, and Roy Williams have all moved to Hinrich off the ball. Skiles and Williams did it without having a more talented player at his position. Hinrich has spent much of his time as a spot-up shooter, defending 2s and 3s, and playing off the ball in the half court. I think the evidence speaks for itself.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2010 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He's a much better PG
Than a 2…
I mean Paul and Williams can play some 2 but are less effecitve (though obvviously in a different league than Hinrich)
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Really?
Kirk was always the PG with BG.
He may have played some off the ball with Duhon (Especially in the crappy 06-07 year), but Kirk was a PG.
His playing off the ball would happen during BG time where BG would force up /create a shot and last minute pass to a jump shooting Kirk, but Kirks’ never been a real combo guard. Just a good PG who can hit a jump shot. He can’t create his shot, never could create his shot and yet is a better than avg passer….on a team without any real easy bucket-eers to pass to.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
But it seems no other team wanted Kurt for a starting PG that badly at his salary.
I would say put him as a starting PG again and you’d see at least a 14-15 PER
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Feb 18, 2010 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
No other team
Wanted him for his salary to give up 100% expiring deals…
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Well, if all else fails the Bulls can sign Rudy Gay.
Memphis just traded for Ronnie Brewer.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah, sucks that we have to watch.
maybe I’ll skip a few games.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
I have a plan
I’ll just watch 1 in every 4 games.
by aznlildelfin on Feb 18, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
i've never once been to a chicago bulls game in chicago
just got my first ever tix the other day to see em play the celtics in one of the last games of the year
glad to know we’ve got a pathetic bench – im prayin they will be in the runnin for the playoffs
"Where is my poster machine??"
Watch Benny the Bull, he is a saint.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i've waited since i was 12 to see the bulls in chicago
never once day dreamed of watchin benny
im not a fan of mascots
"Where is my poster machine??"
Benny is the MJ of mascots.
I went to the Bulls-Celtics game in December and watched him the entire 2nd half. I left happy.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Benny
does wonders w/ a t-shirt gun
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 18, 2010 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I just agreed to go to the Feb. 24th game (hoping for an exciting trade)
but now it’s all about Benny, Cuppy Coffee, The blue Hinkley and Schmitt truck, and hopefully the Jesse White tumblers.
im gonna go look at all the MJ championship banners
and the statue
and listen to “yesterday”
"Where is my poster machine??"
by markoni22 on Feb 18, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
those kids are pretty impressive. but nothing beats 22,000 morons screaming their lungs out for their free jug of water.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
i know it will be
but I’m moderately excited for the Minnesota game, if only for that “new player smell.”
"I want people to fear me"- Derrick Rose.
On Memphis and Jazz deal, here's Woj
WojYahooNBA
This means Memphis is unlikely to pay Rudy Gay this summer.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
new thread on that plzzz
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
Gar did a decent job
Getting a pick out of the Bobcats could turn out well and of course now there will definitely be cap space for a max guy. I think the Bulls are still a playoff team and they would’ve had to renounce Tyrus anyway so they did alright. I’m just hoping they keep Richard and release Hunter, Pargo or Brown instead since we have so many guards and one less center with Noah out.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
the league pays a lot of Hunter's salary, so I don't think it'll be him
same with insurance paying Jerome James (though that’s unconfirmed).
I’d say it’s either Richard, Alexander, or Law.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
You could be right
I just think it would be dumb if it’s Richard right now with only Brad healthy at center. I hope it would be one of Alexander or Law then if that’s the case. I would love for it to be Pargo though.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
But does it make as much financial sense to keep the guy on a 10-day contract
over the guy guaranteed for the rest of the season?
No
and that’s what worries me
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
I hope it's not Richards
He’s demonstrated that he’s not worthless. Alexander hasn’t come close to showing that.
Is Pargo still a Bull?
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
I really don't think we were getting out of the 1st round anyway
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
This is like have sex with a hooker feeling.
Kinda like depressed and dirty.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
by SoulEater7 on Feb 18, 2010 2:38 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Tyrus
wouldnt he have been a lot more attractive in a sign and trade than the junk we got from charlotte or is the first rounder that valuable.
good question
but he also could have been problematic, because any team getting him would have to negotiate a salary with him. We really don’t know what his demands will be in terms of money or years
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2010 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
Let's wait until the first couple of games to make that judgment (the Bulls are worse)
I’m excited to see Warrick play. I will miss Tyrus, but I think Warrick can be a good addition
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
Any trickle down trades that will appear 1 hr from now?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I know who has won my heart!!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
Tyrus will
tyson was like 18 when he played for the bulls… he cant even remember those days anymore
"Where is my poster machine??"
joakim, hakim
joakim far and away the best player out of those far
of course – don’t forget miller for us and mohammed for them
Does this deal really make us worse this year(if that really even matters)?
We lost two bench players in Salmons and Tyrus, and neither of them were all that good at their jobs. Murray should more or less be just as good a bench guy as salmons, and Warrick is not much worse than Tyrus overall.
I don’t get this “now we suck” mentality. For starters, this year doesn’t matter, and even if it did, we’re still a playoff team likely to lose in the first round, though if we somehow we get the five seed we could possibly beat Atlanta.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
by dakoose on Feb 18, 2010 2:45 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
I agree
The starters are still getting most of the minutes, all these guys are filler anyway and they should be able to do that well enough to get the team in the playoffs in the east.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
true
i think those with the “We suck” attitude are just bummed we didnt get a big name like many of us were hoping for
instead
we got flip murray
and lost tyrus, he was like our young child who we knew could do amazing things if he would only listen
now he is dead
and we are trying to replace him with an adopted child that looks alike
"Where is my poster machine??"
Yeah
We got a more reliable jack em upper who can play some more reliable defense than Pargo in Flip and we got a nice O scorer for a 15-20 MPG in Warrick
Sure losing Salmons sucks….I really think it sucks. But we lost Tyrus by game 2 this year (when the Org iced him out essentially—I mean he got some time but they stopped waiitng for him to get it then)….so getting Warrick for Tyrus essentially in our PT is not all that bad, even if Warrick came to us by a different trade.
So I’d say this trade seems to make us worse, but not materially so. At least Flip’s more a SG and not quite a total redundant 3 forced to play mostly out of position…..now we only have 1 major minute guy forced to play out of position (Hinrich).
We need Noah to get healthy quick….but I don’t think this trade hurts us, keeps us the same. It hurts our talent (Tyrus and Salmons are far better in talent than what we got in return), but when you ain’t playing that talent, it doesn’t hurt the team.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Warrick may be able to help
with the offensive droughts we go through when Rose comes out of the game.
by JockstrapNoah on Feb 18, 2010 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
Yessssirrr
+1
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
well, Salmons is better than Murray, and Tyrus is better than Warrick
so, yeah. Plus Noah’s injury.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
we're worse defensively and will be shooting even less efficiently.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, it's basically a 2-for-2 in terms of rotation players
I don’t think VDN will have a ‘too many toys’ complex with Acie Law and Joe Alexander.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
I hope and think that well be the case
But I could see him rando
ly throwing acie law out there like he did wig Lindsey last year vs the celtics
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 18, 2010 5:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I get it, we downgraded a bit on the bench,
but it’s just the bench. I think this team is good enough to overcome that and maintain it’s position in this horseshit conference. Miami, Charlotte and Milwaukee are the teams behind us in the standings, and we’re better than those teams.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Oh, and our schedule is littered with bunnies.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Just the bench?
VDN is scary using the bench!!!! But I think we’ll be alright too
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
I agree it doesn't matter
but we’re worse.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
on bad feet.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He looked pretty good last night
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
I know
just trying to look for positives
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
as far as I'm concerned
it doesn’t matter, because Rose is missing his Noah out there.
Those two can get through everything (insert Rose and Noah into famous/cheesy love scenes at your own whim)
"I want people to fear me"- Derrick Rose.
i hope my whims arent that disturbing.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
With that new bench
Taj will have to move back to it for veteran leadership and Warrick will start.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
i don't think these moves helped us basketball-wise.
but………..
i think we will be better than we were in the first half of the season. and for one major reason.
Derrick Rose is on an absolute tear. That one factor is more important than the added value of salmons over flip or tyrus over hakim.
(The one major question however – can noah get back to the level he was at)
I agree on that
Rose looks like a bonafide superstar the past 2 games. I know it’s against hte Knicks…but still…wow.
And I hope all those David Lee is the second coming of God watched how terrible he is defensively….steer clear Chicago.
Man he looks good on O, and I know I compared him to Murphy (because he rebounds a lot of 3 pt shots), but really Lee is more like a better Charlie V….just been given a team with absolutely nothing else but an eye on the future.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Good point,
getting only Lee would be an epic fail by the org.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 18, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
at least we still have our 1st 5
Rose, Hinrich, Deng, Taj, and Noah with the Bulls. Bench got tougher with Flip, Warrick, Miller, Pargo/Law, and Johnson.
Looks better than we had 24 hours ago.
tougher? like beef jerky?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
warrick can block shots like tyrus. flip is most notable with his defense.
by skywalkerjedi on Feb 18, 2010 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
Flip can dunk on people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDfhTENn-z0
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
it's not...
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
by SoulEater7 on Feb 18, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I hate Flip Murray
i will boo him
i will be like that guy from major league 2
and he will be my rick vaughn
"Where is my poster machine??"
I laugh everytime
I see that highlight.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 18, 2010 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
I was wondering
how long it would take for this to be posted.
"I want people to fear me"- Derrick Rose.
The best part is..
(calmly) Hubbie: ‘Did he use a trampoline?’
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
oh hubie, any chance espn would part with you for neil funk and joe alexander.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
by TheMoon on Feb 18, 2010 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
As far as I'm concerned
Tyrus is like Hakim version 2.0
And Flip is like Pargo version 10.0.
and are Acie Law and Joe Alexander really worse than Lindsey Hunter and James Johnson?
"I want people to fear me"- Derrick Rose.
look at yaopau's post
hakim’s actually slightly worse? lolll.
Or about the same, I don’t remember, but the difference was miniscule.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
I was just comparing offense.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
law and alexander are definitely worse than JJ
theyre useless. comparing them to hunter is a pointless exercise since hunter is probably the worst player in the league
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
Acie Law is just
slower than Hunter and James Johnson
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 18, 2010 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
I'm a little disappointed overall
1) I wanted Kirk gone. He’s not gone. And lest that be construed as mindless antiHinrichism, they Bulls really could use the ability to reallocate his money to other areas of need this offseason. But they won’t have that flexibility.
2) The Bulls gave up a decent amount of stuff to move Salmons and all they got was expiring junk.
3) Considering they way they played out the TT situation, getting a 1st rounder sometime this decade was actually not bad.
by hitlesswonder on Feb 18, 2010 2:57 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
In response
1) I agree, and perhaps this summer Kirk will be part of a sign-and-trade. Otherwise, the Bulls did pick up significant cap room for the summer, so it’s not a complete loss.
2) That was exactly the point, and it’s not as if Salmons was carrying the team
3) Total agreement here
at least they didn't do something insane like trade for mcgrady.
still, i’ll miss tyrus. i’m sure he’ll be very productive on a different team. and i won’t miss the bulls jerking him around like they did his whole career till now.
Cashing checks and having sex.
it was only in your head?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
The same thing that happened
to BG being their top priority this offseason
This line from a movie, television show or other piece of popular culture pretty much sums up my entire personality.
by ScottieG33 on Feb 18, 2010 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Crazy as it sounds
The general consensus on BaB does not equal the mindset of Gar PaxDorf.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
it was just like re-signing gordon was the top priority last summer
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
shit, probably shouldve read all the replies before replying myself
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
Just more orginizational
propaganda to make it look like they were willing to trade Kirk, but honestly he was staying.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 18, 2010 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
no.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
same trade rules apply; would have to match salaries
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
Obviously they're only going for one player.
They like kirk at the two and always have. OR NOBODY WANTS HIM.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Nobody wants to pay 18 mill for a short white german boy.
I can say that because I’m a German boy.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
but not short or white.
just kidding I am!
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
I'd admonish you
but you already know you’re the mascot here.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
Yes you hate when I dance in front of you.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
by SoulEater7 on Feb 18, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
i'm a little concerned whether we can get one good max player at this point......
there are more and more teams who carved up significant cap room this summer.
(a player along the lines of lebron, wade, amare, bosh)
I'm kinda confused.
Are they using Hinirch and Deng as part of the core?
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
well......obviously deng
….and hinrich has two years left…..as much as they want to move him, they can’t…
We still have the 2nd best player on those teams
I mean I presume Wade can resign as the best player on the Heat because they have room for another max, but Rose is better than anyone on the
Nets
Clippers
Wizards
Knicks—who have room for 2 max guys but have nothing else. Rose is a max guy already on a rookie contract, and we have nice pieces with Noah and Deng—two good solid role playing #3 quality players.
Bulls I would think are in the best shape of any of those for anyone who wants to jump ship….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
bulls have the best record currently out of those teams too
NJ has room for 2 max, have a good shot at wall and have brook lopez, clippers seem to have a decent group of guys, but their record is pretty bad… i can’t imagine anyone wanting to go to the wizards thinking they’re going to compete anytime soon
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
Yeah NJ is a bit scary
Did New York trade their pick for McGrady???
Sadly....through thick and thin....
swapped 11 (#1 protected)
and gave 12 pick up (top 5 protected), if i’m not mistaken
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
i kinda forgot about new jersey...
there are just a lot of teams with an unbelievable amount of cap room….especially when you factor in that lebron and maybe wade will probably resign
the clippers roster features.....
a davis, gordon, GRIFFIN, kaman core
ours features a ROSE, deng, noah core
I can’t say our supporting cast is better – albeit this is the clippers organization we’re talking about.
also – i know we can sign a max player……but can we sign wade, lebron, bosh, or amare? Bc those are the only max players that will really make a huge impact (you could honestly leave amare off that).
and lebron – prob resign…..wade – prob resign….amare – don’t you think we would have traded for him this week if we really wanted him….and that leaves bosh – so we’d have to be a better option for him than the nets, clips, wizards, knicks. Which i hopeeee he’d be interested in
yeah you could have traded for him
but i think that most teams just saw it as, we can just sign him in the off season and not lose anything.
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
Seriously
How can the knicks get rid of Jeffries shitty contract and the bulls cant move hinrich?
by Sambossanova on Feb 18, 2010 3:01 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I asked myself the same question
Who knows maybe we can still trade him on the summer for a better SG
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
A tale of two brains
Walsh
and
Gar
One of these is not like the other.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
AND THEN TRADED HILL TO GET CAP SPACE
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Yeah, um Jennings isn't exactly torching the league anymore.
And a rookie that gets playing time under D’Antoni will be the first.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but he is better than Hill
trust me dude i was the one fighting off all the people who thought Jennings was better than Rose.
Wade 2010!!!!!
aside from the answer u dont want to hear?
jefferies one more year for 6 million
hinrich two more years for 17 million….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
or just waive him
or threaten him with a gun in the offseason to not dare use his player option…..
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Add in that
Houston lost a big (Landry) and the Bulls like HInrich….and that Hinrich’s a far better player than Jeffries and there you go.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Also
Not to you piccolo really, but from Gar/Pax’s perspective:
You keep HInrich because well if we get Bosh, we’ve got a lineup, Hinrich’s a solid 2nd guard—doesn’t need the ball, does his role without complaining, plays hard, works on D, can rotate on D to give separate looks to 1-3’s….
If we add the PF then we’re set.
If we add the SG, we can look to move Hinrich at next year’s deadline….or just maybe have a fanastic guard trio of Rose (35 MPG); Wade (35 MPG) and Hinrich 26 MPG…..
Sadly....through thick and thin....
That's the way I tend to think about.
The Bulls are set up to plug in a free agent star at either PF or SG now.
look at the picks the knicks gave up
right to swap 11 pick (top 1 protected) gave up 12 pick (top 5 protected)
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
because the knicks gave away a boatload of 1st round picks........
they’re all or nothing for this summer – not necessarily the smartest strategy if they don’t bag lebron, wade, or bosh
What were the other options?
They had to go for it.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 18, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Because...
We want draft picks in the next 3 years?
If the Knicks don’t get a max free agent, they have 6 years of being pathetic. I think I’m glad GarDorf didn’t do something that stupid.
Yep, if Lebron leaves the Cavs it will be for the Nets.
I will not post anymore pictures of Jay-Z to prove this lol.
Wade 2010!!!!!
the bulls got worse
but it wasnt a huge step down. Our defense is most likely going to be worse until noah returns, but our offense in the post got much better with warrick. Our per def has pretty much been left unchanged, or maybe actually better slightly, although there is a blatent lack in size now at the 2 which is what really bothers me.
when noah comes back and when roses bruises go away, we will be able to make that playoff push, i dont see the bucks winning more than a game or two, and i think bobcats become much better defensively but i dont see any sort of boost in their offense, the bucks lost some post offense themselves although they still have bogut…
were worse but dont read that as we are much worse, the games are still gonna ride on the performance of rose and noah just like before…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
and deng. can't believe im saying this.
by skywalkerjedi on Feb 18, 2010 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
wjb
posted this cool research she did that kinda showed that while deng is effective, he rarely seems to actually impact a game significantly. We can win with luol having a bad game, but we cant win with rose or noah having a bad game…the good news is i dont think rose is going to have anymore bad games, and i think luol is truthfully healthy and he shouldnt have real bad games either, and once noah is back….well we should be on par to finish just below .500 i think…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I bet that's more though
Because Deng is so freaking consistent than anything. I mean night in night out Deng gives you 18-7, there’s rarely a 30-14 game or a 12-3 game. Just a high of 24 pts and 10/11 boards and a low of 16-5….pretty much always ends at 18-7….
It’s very odd for that kind of consistently. Rarely is Deng a Wow guy, but I guess taking a step back from the everyday games, I underrate Deng considerably time and again because he just rarely has bad games….
Ultimately that makes his impact on good and bad games less meaningful.
Having Deng on my fantasy team really highlighted that aspect of his game….and well really has me liking him more than ever for it.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
yeah i used to absolutely hate him
he’s a valuable contributor, really solid rebounder at the 3, overpaid, but what can you do?
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
It's hard to argue we'll miss the playoffs with Rose
But I think we could miss the playoffs.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
nah i think yfbb said this
but eventually some teams are gonna say “f-it” and are gonna start tanking games, and rose seems to have figured out himself for what we thought he was, and our team really isnt that bad, i mean our starters are actually good, our bench isnt that much worse, and in some ways is a bit deeper… we should remain on the same pace we are at right now…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I agree
also, the schedule to finish out the year is one of the easier ones in the league, which should help
yea
i still wish we couldve had kurt thomas instead of alexander to to that front court depth, cuz it would help noah heal, but i guess its not THAT big of a deal….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
You know. The worst part, is the fact that none of these trades I expected. With a million rumors and “inside” guys, in reality they don’t know diddly squat what goes on in that triple monster of Jerry/Pax and Gar
this is good
as it means every year we can get hopeful of the unexpected. Except for a Hinrich who will always be there for you
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
I feel like there is work yet to be done still..
I don’t see how if their goal was completed today. Some of it but not all.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
This was definitely like losing my virginity
didnt get what i wanted, and i probably wont remember who it was years later
by Belize on Feb 18, 2010 3:09 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
I felt like a man
and now from time to time i look at her pictures on facebook like a creep
"Where is my poster machine??"
you started it
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
That's the best post of the day
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
haha sorry about your luck dude!
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
I'm depressed now.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
um, no
that’s not enough in salary
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
so what time is that bulls press conference
4pm right?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
That's what KC tweeted
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
I've never been much of a Tyrus-lover (or hater for that matter), but damn
I am sad to see him go
by darksmokepuncher on Feb 18, 2010 3:18 PM CST reply actions
He was fun to watch
and he had way more awesome moments then most Bulls players.
by JockstrapNoah on Feb 18, 2010 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
I know the plan.
Trade deng this Summer for Al Jefferson.. sign Wade. Retire Kirk’s number.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
FIRE GAR PAXON NOW!
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 3:20 PM CST reply actions
Who is "Paxon"?
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Feb 18, 2010 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
ANOTHER WASTED PICK!
ANOTHER WASTE OF TALENT. TYRUS WILL BLOSSOM WITH A LITTLE BIT OF PLAYING TIME!!!! SORRY 4 CAPS BUT I AM FURIOUS!
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 3:20 PM CST reply actions
Hey we got another pick in return
So we can waste another talent!
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
All this moping is ridiculous
If the Bulls get LeBron, Wade or Bosh this summer then the Bulls will be geniuses. If they don’t, then we can be mad. But the idea that getting rid of the contracts that would have prevented a max FA is something to be happy about, not sad.
I still won't be mad
we might have to settle for lesser guys like Joe Johnson but so be it.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Vinny del shit prick
How the hell is he going to play these guys due to his main reason for playing people is “trust” lol these guys will get 10 mins a night if lucky …
I'm in the Dan Bernstein camp not very happy.. just ok.
The Bulls cleared away some of their mistakes.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
The Suns are a joke.
What GM is worse, Kerr or Johnny Jump Shot?
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
because the can't move STAT
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Whoa Spanglish?
Go back three spaces amigo.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
What the bulls will be for the remainder of this season:
Starters will still be Noah (Miller until he returns, whenever that is), Gibson, Deng, Hinrich, and Rose. They’re minutes wont change. Off the bench, all we really used was Tyrus and Salmons (and Miller when he doesn’t have to start). That is where the worry is coming from in regaurds to this year, literally just traded the entire bench as far as guys who play.
So I see Warrick taking Thomas’s minutes, with Taj getting more minutes as well. Salmons minutes will be split. We’ll probably see a little more Pargo and JJ, along with Murray. That isnt very encouraging, and best case scenario is JJ get preductive in time for the playoffs.
As well as he’s played so far, with an even more depeleted bench, we need Rose to carry even more of the weight to get us to the playoffs.
I really don’t like the Tyrus move. He was already expiring, and he’d have been better for 30 games and playoffs, in my opinion.
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
and in theory it's better than letting him walk for nothing.
but if we’re going balls deep to try to become a title contender next year, then we shouldnt be worrying about draft picks and developing guys
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
I see thrust overload
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
Remember when Kirk Hinrich shot the ball well for like 5 games and we won all of them on the road vs team above .500? Ahhh What it would be like if we had a good SG…
We won those games because of Rose
And we’ll still win because of Rose.
Hinrich though is fine for what he is. A decent PG in a 2 headed PG machine. Kirk is more pass oriented than given credit for, problem is he’s never had anything but jump shooters to pass to….
Rose is more pass oriented than shown, with the same thing….but Rose looks like he could be the best PG int he league very very soon.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Taj vs Tyrus
April 3rd and April 14th
Unless Larry Brown and TT strangle each other.
Good Luck to TT. I look forward to watching highlight dunks and 2-9 shooting nights, and Blogabullers pining for your return, and blaming VDN (The Italian Devil) for the lack of your development.
These trade will have zero effect on this season’s win/loss record.
"What are you doing Dragic?!"
lol wut?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
2 blocks, 40 goaltending calls.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
ooh, not quite Hinrich-Gordon
but that one turned out to be a dud anyway.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
I pray Taj and Tyrus don't go head to head.
The site has potential to hit rock bottom in that case.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
it can go lower?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
You have no idea.
BaB will simply become /b/
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
double /b/?
Anyways OMG I CAn’T WAIT TO SEE TT DUNK ON TAJ’S FACE ZOMG.
Here’s a picture of a cat.
…
[sidenote: was too lazy to imagelink picture of cat.]
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Side Note… if you were to flip on the olympics on NBC right this second you could be convinced it was the special winter olympics
I heard it.
What the hell was it?
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
concerned about whether we could actually get some high-value FAs this summer...
so i looked up who all will be FA’s
Restricted – Rudy Gay
Early Termination Option – Dirk, Pierce, Amare, Yao
Player Option – Lebron, Wade, Bosh
Others – JoeJ, Boozer, David Lee, Ginobili, Camby, Ray Allen, Harrington
Our chances of signing these guys:
Lebron – no way right?
Wade – Very little chance….however some hope with his Chicag-affiliation and the way Miami did nothing at the Deadline
Bosh – Possible….but very unlikely right? Can’t see us being more attractive than Miami, NYK, LAC, and some other teams with money
Dirk – Not sure about his contract situation – it could be he’s definitely not terminating his contract……plus no way cuban lets him leave
That leaves me with the rest of the FA’s…
Amare, JoeJ, Boozer, Ginobili, Pierce, Lee, Gay
Based on this list….it seems the most desirable acquisition to least would be:
Amare
JoeJ
Boozer
Pierce – not sure he will terminate…or that he’d leave boston
Lee – inflated numbers in d’antoni
Gay – we don’t really want this guy right?? plus he doesn’t really fit the “character, honor, blah blah” type player the bulls target
Ginobili – injury history, age
based on those concerns…..aren’t amare, joe j, and boozer probably the highest-value players that we can realistically acquire?? (While i hope and pray mgmt will find a way to get wade, bosh, lebron….but def dont expect it)
Of amare, joe j, and boozer – amare is the player that i would most covet. However, having just had the “amare sweepstakes” this week…..and we didn’t acquire him…..is it really very likely that we acquire him in the offseason? I would lean towards no.
So that leaves joe j and boozer.
there have been topics about joe j and the concerns with signing him (related to his age and the typical decline in sg’s performance at his age range)
and boozer wouldn’t be a bad signing…..but i’m not sure….would we be real excited about that?
So ultimately – i realllllllllly hope we could somehow get one of the big one’s (lebron, wade, bosh) but it seems unlikely. It seems that we would get one of the second-tier free agents….which would be nice…..but not as impactful.
Am i missing anything with how i’m looking at this 2010 FA class and what we should do…..or in my guessing on what will ultimately happen??
by swede2287 on Feb 18, 2010 3:51 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Rec
You shuold put this in a separate post. Good list here….gets me excited.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
by majoyenrac on Feb 18, 2010 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
the thing is
out of lebron, JJ, Wade, Bosh, ….the chance of none of those coming to chicago is quite low…at least one of them has to come here…
Really?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
i'd say it's very likely lebron, wade, and bosh don't come here
im more optimistic with jj
give the bulls boozer
the dude is nasty in the low post, don’t care about how injury prone he is alleged to be. He is a beast and likely won’t command a max. Bosh-Wade-Boozer. ALthough i seriously think if the bulls court Boozer from the get go, they’ll land him no prob.
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by Rex Grossman on Feb 18, 2010 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
you're dreaming
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
i think the bulls could get boozer....
i don’t think he would be as big a grab for us as lebron, dwade, and bosh (obviously)…and probably amare
But…..coupling him with a long, good defender like noah wouldn’t be a bad pairing
I think the Bulls
could overpay for Boozer. He is certainly no MAX FA.
by JockstrapNoah on Feb 18, 2010 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
Is the Forman press conference on CSN?
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Wade has to be leaving.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
i hope he's so pissed right now
and the only thing making him feel better is calls from his family in chicago, saying “Its ok baby, just come home after the season”
god no!
SAY NO TO WADE!
He will sign a max deal and be injured for 75% of it.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
really?
You really to spend max dollars on a guy who makes his living driving to the basket and getting hit all the time? Glad ur not running the team.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, all those FTAs and championships.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
what has he won without shaq?
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
has he even won a playoff series without shaq?
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
As a rookie, yes.
Good to see you’re ignorant in two sports.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
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by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
you are quick to call me ignorant.
but you hide when I am right.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
which trends towards more often than not.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
When have you been right?
You do nothing but take vague, unsubstantiated jabs at everything related to the Bulls.
coming from the guy who defends the bulls front office.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
lol no!
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
But you did!
Ah, I love arguments.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
it funny that you call those.. "thoughts"
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Feb 18, 2010 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
dunno about worthless
averaged 18 and 10 in the playoffs that year
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
:::sigh:::
your right. stats mean more than what i saw. honestly, im surprised his average was that much…i saw the finals. he was very meh
sorry
i’ll defer to your memory of shaq being trash in the playoffs
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
But it's nothing on Wade
In those finals….
Add in Wade in the Olympics where he was the best player on that team…and there you go.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
no obviously wade carried the team
but shaq will still a useful player at that point in his career, he had a monster game 6 against detroit
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all I am saying is that Wade would be my last resort of the big 5.
because of his injury history.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
yet you say it so colorfully
and often.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i am forced to defend myself against sox bloggers that already can't stand me,
while many of you are just getting to know me.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
i was referring to OM
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
u do have one good point
if we add alot of scorers to the team, Wade wouldnt be needed..and Joe Johnson would be a nice fit.
Still want Wade tho..its like a wet dream
Is the consensus that all these FA's are in line for max deals?
Wade will command one, will Johnson and Bosh? I would rather get 2 then 1 unless that 1 is King James.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
bosh without question
debate over amare and boozer… but someone will give them max, too many teams carved out space
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if you think Johnson+Bosh will sign for the same amount
as Wade…then it’s almost as if we can’t take your rants seriously.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
I am sorry did I not speak clearly enough?
Please quote me saying that Johnson and Bosh’s salaries will = Wades.
Waiting…
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
"Wade will command one, will Johnson and Bosh? "
and = +
You have to keep in mind that I think you’re a bit of a dolt, so sorry if that construed your words.
you don’t have to type ‘waiting…’, we know you have nowhere else to be.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
You construing my words would make you the "dolt".
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
there also isnt enough for a max and a lower tiered guy
we’re about 20m under (16.5 max)
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
what the hell has the front office been doing this whole time????
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
I am not a salary cap expert but hasn't the team been taking on expiring contracts every year to increase the cap space???
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, he's been outed.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
outed?
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
but we already have a wade ;)
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
Fair enough
But if he’s healthy then he’s on par with the best of the 5 (though Lebron’s age and amazing remarkableness is the clear #1).
Sadly....through thick and thin....
heh
rec!
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by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
you're right
Shaq is also good!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
too much risk involved with his injury history.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
Wade is a bad fit for this team,
great player, but he is essentially what Rose is aspiring to be. To add him is just too much of the same, not that is would hurt the team. But a player like Bosh who plays a position that the Bulls could use an upgrade at, would be a more valuable pickup.
2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"
this
and try to get Johnson from the Hawks.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
Well hopefully the Bulls saved the cash to get both of them,
that would get me excited.
2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"
SoulEater getting a head start on 2010 FA histrionics
man the deadline was 2 hours ago.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
I thought I had already claimed that role for this summer.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
your histrionics are negative
his are positive.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
So we can balance each other out?
I had to take on your pessimism after this past weekend.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Am I the only person
that actually is excited about the Joe Alexander pickup? The guy was in Skiles doghouse from day 1. Maybe just maybe there can be something to him? He was the 8th pick in the draft
well if anyone's gonna give joe alexander a chance
i’d imagine it’d be the Org.
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
you're not.
but maybe we’re the only two ppl sorta/kinda excited. and hopeful… REALLY… really hopeful :/
he isn't even on contract after this year
and he is in the D-League. I don’t see him ever puting on a Bulls uniform
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
And his stats
are awful through 6 games in the D-League. He may need more games to recover from a long lay off but he doesn’t have enough games to get good, get a call-up, and then crack the rotation. Someone said this elsewhere but we’ll be lucky if he throws down a sweet mop up time dunk.
by JockstrapNoah on Feb 18, 2010 7:35 PM CST up reply actions
i remember skiles being really positive about him at the beginning because they both shared similar
work ethics. alexander probably isnt that good.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
isnt that about right?
pg-3
sg-3
sf-3
pf-3
c-3
for a completley balanced roster, it’d be 6 gaurds :/
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
Is it really that a big a deal that instead of a 2nd backup to one forward position who doesn't play
We have a fourth backup to a guard position who doesn’t play instead?
But its more like
2 pgs
1 sg
and 3 bench guards (but I still have hope for Acie until I see him play).
by JockstrapNoah on Feb 18, 2010 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
haha!
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
link?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
let's just wait for kobe in 2011.
oh wait, forgot he’s joining lebron, johnson, wade, bosh, lee, and stoudemire in new york. only attractive city to play for free agents, obviously.
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
maybe we can send benny the bull to tickle lebron's nuts at o'hare?
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
The bulls are going to have no money left over in 2011
they will have spent all their money on dining potential free agents in 2010.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
OF COURSE
that’s been the friggin plan all along!
Better than blowing all your money on the 2009 FA class
I didn't say "signing"
I said “dining”.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
um..it was a joke dude. chill.
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
don't worry, nittany has a holier....
mevermind
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.