Deadline Afternoon: Salmons for Warrick/Alexander, Tyrus to the Bobcats
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:24 AM CST
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It looks like the Bulls and Bucks have agreed upon the Warrick/Alexander package (both expiring deals) from the Bucks in exchange for John Salmons.
Probably emboldened by having Warrick, the Bulls then moved on to dealing Tyrus. Latest has him going to the Bobcats for Flip Murray (effectively replacing Salmons, in my opinion), Acie Law, (again, both expiring deals) and a future first rounder. There's a lot of leeway on what the draft compensation actually can be. Bobcats owe their next first round pick conditionally to the Timberwolves, and I believe that means they cannot even offer a pick until 2 years after the latest possible year that first pick can be given, which would be 2016. They could always do the pick swapping like in the '08 draft with the Knicks.
Bulls will also have to waive a player if these two deals are accurate.
Much more later this afternoon. Make sure you check out SBNation's trade deadline storystream for all of today's action around the league..
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So wait, with Thomas and Salmons gone
I think Hinrich is the only player in the Bulls rotation NOT nursing an injury.
Awesome
I don't think Warrick or Flip Murray are hurt
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Two and a half hours
To Kurt’s un-trade!
by bigintangibles on Feb 18, 2010 11:27 AM CST reply actions
For more information
Teams are restricted from trading away future first round draft picks in consecutive years. This is known as the “Ted Stepien Rule.” Stepien owned the Cavs from 1980-83, and made a series of bad trades (such as the above-mentioned 1982 trade) that cost the Cavs several years’ first round picks. As a result of Stepien’s ineptitude, teams are now prevented from making trades which might leave them without a first round pick in consecutive future years.
The Stepien rule applies only to future first round picks. For example, if this is the 2005-06 season, then a team can trade its 2006 first round pick without regard to whether they had traded their 2005 pick, since their 2005 pick is no longer a future pick. But they can’t trade away both their 2006 and 2007 picks, since both are future picks. Teams sometimes work around this rule by trading first round picks in alternate years.
From DraftExpress
• Denver trades their 2008 first rounder for Charlotte’s 2009 1st rounder (lottery protected in 2009, top 12 protected in 2010, top 10 protected in 2011, top 8 protected in 2012, top 3 protected in 2013, unprotected 2014). This pick was later conveyed to Minnesota as part of Ty Lawson draft-day deal.
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-your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2009 4:52 PM EDT
that's my thinking behind the 2016 year
they can’t offer a pick between now and 2014 because it could be going to Minnesota. Can’t offer 2015 because that’d potentially mean they’d be giving up both ‘14 and ’15 and that’s a no-no due to the Stepanien rule.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
can it be a future first rounder
with no pre-determined year? that way, if the pick vests for the wolves, it can be the 2012 pick, correct?
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
I'm not sure if they can't specify the year
nor if they can say something like “first pick potentially available”
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Isn't the world going to end by then?
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by J Theory on Feb 18, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
or at the very least
everyone currently in Charlotte will be fired.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Does this mean that they could not trade the pick conditionally?
Meaning they trade the pick to the Bull if it fails to satisfy the conditions of being conveyed to MN? So if its top 12 this year, the Bulls would receive it, top 10 next year, and so forth…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 18, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
the condition is minnesotas
if its top 12, its minny’s unless the pick is top 10 (bobcats pick again) then its minnys unless the bobcats pick in the top 8
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
Right...
So if Charlotte were to keep it, then they convey it to the Bulls…or at the very least we give them the option to swap picks like the Knicks deal that landed the Bulls Tyrus in the first place.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 18, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
hmm
i’m honestly not sure how that would work. i’m pretty sure you cant do that because of the aforementioned stephien rule. if its top 12, they keep it, but because there’s a possibility it can vest next season in favor of the wolves, the cats would violate the rule by trading future 1st round picks in consecutive years (09 and 10). i guess it would depend on how the 09 pick is classified? if its future, it definitely can’t happen
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
Not if you are swapping picks...
Because Charlotte would still have a first round pick for that season.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 18, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
aw sorry i missed the swapping part
wouldnt you prefer the rights to the pick though, even if its in 2016?
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
likely not
because there’s still the potential to give it away in consecutive years.
by kingj41 on Feb 18, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that's my interpretation
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
I beleive the story is that
we could either get Thomas/Elston OR Warrick/Alexander, and we opted for the latter.
So we never actually got Thomas.
This leaves us slightly thinner up front, although maintains our youth and athleticism. I think all of these guys are just 1-year rentals (really, half-season rentals) anyway.
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I hope they package some of these guards for a
decent guard? i mean not even a real starter, just a decent player? Even if tmac sucked id want him just for the name…
Pargo-chucker who thinks he deserves minutes
Brown-chucker who hasnt been able to hit but keeps shooting and is overweight
Murray-inefficient scorer, decent defender, but something about him irks me
Law-was a good defensive pg in college but it doesnt look like it translated well…
and the future first rounder (cuz i have no details) doesnt appeal to me either…at least with the spurs we would get mason jr, and i was warming up to that idea….im hoping theres another move, but im doubting it…
plus we have one extra player right? maybe they will do another deal, a three for one kind of deal…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Yeah, but none of these moves were made in the interest of getting back talent...
Ideally we’d move these guys for decent players with expiring contracts. But expiring contracts are priority #1. Such is life in the NBA trade market.
Warrick Scouting Report
From Hollinger (ESPN Insider):
Scouting report: Warrick is a quick power forward with long arms but a thin frame. He’s a below-average defensive player because he lacks the strength to battle against big power forwards on the blocks. Despite good leaping ability, he’s also a mediocre rebounder and shot blocker. He needs to improve his pick-and-roll defense and should be doing better given his quickness and length. If he did, it would help offset his lack of physicality in the paint.
Offensively, he loves to set up at the elbows, especially on the right, and either shoot a jumper or make a quick drive and draw a foul. He’ll also post up against smaller players when he gets a switch and can be effective shooting short-range hooks despite a lack of muscle. He can finish under the basket but tends to pick up traveling violations while winding up before he rises for the shot.
2009-10 outlook: Warrick signed a one-year, $3 million deal with Milwaukee after the Grizzlies withdrew his qualifying offer. Ironically, the man he replaces (Charlie Villanueva) had the same thing happen to him in Milwaukee. It’s a great situation for Warrick who will likely start at power forward, play 25 to 30 minutes a game, and benefit from a lot of touches on a denuded Bucks team.
He’s averaged nearly a point every two minutes each of the past three seasons and is only 27, so he’s a great value acquisition for Milwaukee. Expect Warrick to average in the low- to mid-teens, depending on how much he plays, while solidifying a position that threatened to be an open sore for Milwaukee.
by bigintangibles on Feb 18, 2010 11:32 AM CST reply actions
i like warrick
and his finely manicured beard. he’s a 20mpg guy and he knows his role. apparently that role will be backing up taj gibson for the rest of the season.
"The word ‘potential’ doesn’t mean much to me. You have to maximize your skills and ability. Potential is just a smokescreen. You have to prove you’re real in order to earn all the praise." - Tyrus Thomas
by leeac on Feb 18, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We had to make sure we got an odd beard in the trade
I think that’s a rule for the bulls. Gooden, Salmons, Warrick—gotta have one strange beard at all times.
by msquared10 on Feb 18, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
id really like to see him split the PF mins equally with taj since their respective skills are equal and opposite.
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should be
a done deal!!!!!! if so we have to waive someone,hopefully brown or pargo
The curse of Norm VanLier
strikes again, as Pargo is the player that will be waived, #2 should never be worn by a Bull again, give #2 to Benny the Bull
thats the logical choice, he asked the Bulls to trade him and now he’ll be unemployed
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 18, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
I wonder if Devin Brown's gettign waived
Pargo looks much better than Brown so far in a Bulls jersey (Devin where ya been?)?
Sadly....through thick and thin....
are these new guys expiring?
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I'm buying tickets for Feb. 20th. First home game after the trade deadline. Will I be happy?
yea its all expiring contracts
but in the case of thomas…i think we got played….i hope theres another trade coming…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
are you serious?
we’re getting a first round pick back for a player that the entire league knew was going to walk away from this team in the summer
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
when does that first round come through
2016? i guess how good that deal is depends on what the details on that draft pick…if its 2016 we were so played….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
how?
we’re getting value for someone that was going to walk away from this team for absolutely nothing
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
Agreed.
I mean, you could quibble about how high of a first-round draft pick, and that’s anyone’s best guess as to how high it ends up being right now.
Point is, we get expirings and a first-rounder.
This is better than the reported swap for Al Harrington, which had the Bulls giving up Jerome James’ bloated carcass (no offense) and Tyrus.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
We're getting that value
Because we traded him to a team that was unlikely to be in the play to get him for nothing next summer….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
right
but that doesn’t change the fact that if we didn’t move T2, we wouldn’t have gotten anything for him this summer
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
I know we would not
Have gotten anything for him this summer (and well we just got some expirings and a pick that could be 4-5 years from now….not really a wow, but something which is nice) for a player we were gonna get nothing for to let walk.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
i mean
flip and law.. are they expirings? or do we have to deal them next year?
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I'm buying tickets for Feb. 20th. First home game after the trade deadline. Will I be happy?
no they expire
all the players we recieved in the last few days, all expire….right now the only players we owe money to are
Deng
Hinrich
Rose
JJ
Taj
in order from biggest contract to smallest….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
wtf
sorry about that yea noah is right underneath rose….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
forgot Noah.
Out coaching VDN, so easy a cave man could do it.
damn...thanks
oh man, how the hell do i forget the second best player on this team…DAMN!!!
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
they're exprings.
I’ll update the post.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
sweet
so im not really hating this… it will be tough to not see tyrus wow me with flashes. but this seems like a smart move(depending on the status of the pick i guess)
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I'm buying tickets for Feb. 20th. First home game after the trade deadline. Will I be happy?
they figure with Warrick coming, and VDN being a boner
Tyrus wouldn’t play anyway. And we know he isn’t coming back.
So then the question is what to deal him for? The answer is guards on expiring contracts. I would’ve preferred Mason+Finley from the Spurs, but maybe the fact that Charlotte was giving a pick swung it to them.
It sucks because of the past 4 years, not just this final finish to Tyrus’ Bulls career. At least he went out well last night.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
well hell - its been good tyrus
his last points scored for chicago was a 4th quarter Dunk
and after that dunk
i cheered, loud, and clapped my hands obnoxiously loud in the ears of knicks fans
so forever and ever i will hold good memories with Tyrus Thomas for that
"Where is my poster machine??"
Yeah
I knew that was 99% likely his last shot.
It was fun, I’ll hate it if he figures it out in Charlotte and I know he has all the raw tools to do just that, but the Bulls gave it a solid 3 years (and a few weeks this year)….too bad.
Oh well. We’re at least revamped to make Tyrus a thing of the past if we get the max guy next year anyhow.
I’m really excited that Deng will be our #3 man, a role he’s never quite been and one where he should be all star worthy as our team improves…..
Sadly....through thick and thin....
also, getting that first round pick is important
without it we do not have the Bulls cycle. Which is: make a lottery pick, trash it, try and build it up, hope it doesn’t want to get paid, either pay them and trash them and give them away for another first round pick, sell hope, repeat.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
You forgot the step
when the pay one. Piss one off. Then use him as an example of what they don’t want, even though it’s what they need on the floor right now.
That motto
Makes us the highest margin team in the league though….
And keeps this soap operaish team constantly interesting. Of course I’m more than ready for us to turn to page into a real contender for 4-6 years at least (then regroup in Rose Phase II the Prime years)….
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I guess this means they don't want Kurt?
On Lakers: Source says they’re standing pat. You’re now free to enjoy the surf, west coasters.
nobody wants Kurt, except us.
All trade rumors are void if they include Kurt.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Would the Bulls buyout Flip Murray...
You know, the wink wink deal so he could head back to Charlotte?
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Why would the Bulls do that?
They need someone behing Rose and Hinrich…
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
Meet...
Acie Law and Devin Brown.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 18, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know Acie Law, but from what I saw of Brown, he's worst than Pargo
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
by bull83 on Feb 18, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Funny thing is
When Atlanta passed on CP3 and Deron Williams the next year or year after that, I can’t remember the draft, but when they drafted Acie Law all the espn analysts were saying they finally righted that ship…..and got their PG…..
So perhaps he can get something going to be a nice backup for us…..but I’ve never watched him play, just seen him bounce around the league.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
by majoyenrac on Feb 18, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
ive watched him play, and hes horrible
hes slow and cant shoot, thats about all you need to know
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
That would make sense
As he’s been moved around and around of late….
Oh well….I didn’t expect to get anything out of these trades but contracts. But I’ve always like Warrick (maybe becuase it seemed he would have career games against Chicago in Memphis at least, and I thought he had a nice game against us early this season or perhaps preaseason)
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Flip Murray is better than both of them.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
true
I’d think he’s the first guard off the bench. then Pargo or Brown. Lately it’s been Pargo but I’m not sure its because VDN chose him over Brown or if they were trying to showcase the guy. Likely the former, since I doubt Bulls management gets involved in rotations.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah--now Flip can re-enact that groin-in-your-face dunk on Kirk
in practice.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
lol
Dude we got a first round pick out of this,and two expiring contracts………
You got me wrong
I aprove the deal, just don’t understand why would the bulls buyout Murray
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
yeah, Flip is now the Bulls 3rd guard
he is better than Pargo, Law and Brown
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
I guess this will mean playing time for JJ at SF
Yes! I hope he improves his game quick…
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
Just think....
If Taj Gibson wasn’t playing so well for a rookie……….talk about depth and talent !
I think Warrick can play the 3
I have to look up if Flip Murray can as well. I would love to see more minutes for JJ, though. If he’s going to improve, he needs playing time.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
what about joe alexander
i mena he can headbutt the rim with his standing jump!!! thats gotta help right!!!!
to be fair joe alexander has alot of potential, and he spent the start of his career with skiles, not saying hes really good, but i imagine he got the thabo jitters being around skiles, so maybe with vdn he actually, well…i dont know….alley oop from rose?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
It would be great
If we got something out of him. Skiles isn’t always the best with little head case players……
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yea just give the backup 3 mins to jj
it should only be like 10 mins a night anyways, and the less flip or pargo or brown the better
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
what we look like as it stands
Rose/Hinrich/law
Hinrich/Murray/Pargo/brown
Deng/Alexander/JJ
Taj/Warrick
Noah/Miller
its not too bad i guess, but sg and sf are still a problem at least it seems to me, we need a swingman, just a decent one…..
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Pargo will be gone
and Law will replace Pargo on the bench.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 18, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I hope that Pargo's the one waived
…if waiving ends up being a requirement from all of this.
No, scratch that last part. I hope Pargo gets waived, period.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
why the hell would they wave pargo over richard
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
cause we have 7 guards on the roster
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
well theres been inklings that pargo isnt happy
plus, its really nitpicking to decipher between the two; theyre both horrible
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
Why is that?
I didn’t know that though. Is he on the players committe like Hunter?
Sadly....through thick and thin....
No
When a player has been in the NBA for three or more seasons, and is playing under a one-year, ten-day or rest-of-season contract, the league actually reimburses the team for part of his salary – any amount above the minimum salary level for a two-year veteran. For example, in 2005-06 the minimum salary for a two-year veteran is $719,373, so for a ten-year veteran, with a minimum salary of $1,138,500, the league would reimburse the team $419,127. Only the two-year minimum salary is included in the team salary, not the player’s full salary. They do this so teams won’t shy away from signing older veterans simply because they are more expensive when filling out their last few roster spots.
So, not most, but it doesn’t cut into the team’s bottom line as much to have a vet on a 1 year deal.
by kingj41 on Feb 18, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Because while neither of them is good, Brown shoots better.
Brown was averaging about 10 ppg in 24 minutes, shooting about 42% from 2 and 37% from 3. This was before coming to the Bulls. Admittedly, he’s had a horrible time since.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Devin-Brown-1843/
Pargo averages about 5 ppg in 10 minutes, but shoots 36% from 2 and 29% from 3.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jannero-Pargo-3864/
Brown’s also a lot bigger, a slightly better defender, and last year he actually got minutes in the league rather than having to go to another continent to get minutes.
Plus, Pargo is just Reinsdorf’s lame attempt to address outside shooting while he was letting Ben Gordon go.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
Before the trade
I would have been all for what you’re saying, but Brown has looked beyond terrible—approaching the Aaron Gray levels—in the few games we’ve had him….
I know we traded him for Gray, but I would have expected something better thant hat nothing….esp from a vet with not good but not a completely terrible history….
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who is the 3-point shooter here?
Kobe sucks
by La Marc Gasol dridge on Feb 18, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
shooting 31% this season
although thats up from his career average of 30%
Kobe sucks
by La Marc Gasol dridge on Feb 18, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
not our style
you do have a great point though, we’re an even worse 3-point shooting team now with Salmons out.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
looks like brad miller is gonna have to bail us out even more
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I'm buying tickets for Feb. 20th. First home game after the trade deadline. Will I be happy?
or maybe chris richard?
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I'm buying tickets for Feb. 20th. First home game after the trade deadline. Will I be happy?
I was thinking this solidifies the Bulls as the worst offense in the NBA.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
so then you must have a dominant defense..........................
Kobe sucks
by La Marc Gasol dridge on Feb 18, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
The Bulls aren't dominant, but they are at least good at defense.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
without noah
and now without thomas?
Man we beefed up the bobcats defense though…replace diaw with thomas…and yikes!!
i wish raja bell wasnt injured, id rather have him as opposed to flip murray….
AH it hit me, now i know why i dont like murray, hes the bastard that dunked on hinrich!!! MOTHA-!!!!!
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
good point about the Bulls d without Tyrus and Noah
I would much rather have Kurt Thomas than Joe Alexander. There is a reason why Alexander didn’t get contract picked up.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yea i was sort of excited for the kurt thomas pick up
not that i have anything against joe alexander, i mean in 2k id pick joe, but in real life, id go with a guy who is known for a being a solid low post defender….who knows…maybe it works out in some way…its that bobcat deal thats really bugging me right now, any new details on that draft pick yet?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
also
im still thinking theres one more trade left to make…somethign feels off right now, and im thinking one more trade will fix up this roster, we have a guard glut…..i just want a swing man….can we get thabo back?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
Shit, I forgot Tyrus isn't on the team anymore.
Yeah, the Bulls are just a terrible team now.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Horrible? Really?
I think you’re overvaluing Tyrus’ and Salmons’ contributions this year. If you mean they’re horrible while Noah is out, at least the play Minny and Philly this weekend. The Bulls are still better than both of those teams and should win both.
Noah is hurt, and out indefinitely.
Tyrus and Salmons are better than any player that was acquired over the past few days.
They were already the 2nd to last offense in the league, this only makes it worse.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Noah says he's getting better, and there's been talk
that he might play Saturday night vs Philly. And while over the entire season the Bulls might be the 2nd worst offensively, but over the past month or 6 weeks they’ve been average at worst on that end.
And sure, the level of talent might have gone down, but going from a .500+ team to “horrible”? I think not.
Past 6 weeks to 2 months
We’ve been a bit above avg…problem is the first month and a a half we were so horribly bad offensively that that hole was hard to climb back from…..
I mean we’ve routinely been in the upper 90s and low 100 pt games. I don’t think we had more than 1 100 pt game heading into the last week of Dec, and mostly averaged in the late 80’s in a league where scorings been way up again….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I was just writing more on your good point.
Guys on here get too wrapped up in pure stats—aka the Hollinger effect—though most on here are far better bball minds than Hollinger.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
It might be moot because 39 wins could get them the 8th seed.
But, I don’t think we should be expecting quality basketball aside from Rose and Deng.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
When he's healthy, yes.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
they are worse than they were pre trade
thats pretty much true, and i hated the damn teaser with tyrus last night….but wasnt this year expendable anyway? I think they still make playoffs due to rose and noah alone…..but yea i think we got a huge decrease in talent in terms of per. play, and a huge defensive drop in post defense, the only thing i hope we got was a upgrade on post offense….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
be use u mean in a trade?
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I'm buying tickets for Feb. 20th. First home game after the trade deadline. Will I be happy?
i mean heaven forbid if derrick rose has to miss anymore games this season
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
meh.. i think with these guys rose might not be playing a lot of mins. especially if he keeps killing teams like he has lately
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I'm buying tickets for Feb. 20th. First home game after the trade deadline. Will I be happy?
well, not THAT Ben Gordon
BEN GORDON IS A SAINT! YOU LEAVE HIM ALONE!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Did you see him get ejected last night? He was yelling! At refs!
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
Which makes that 5.6% January split easier to swallow, right?
I like Ben – I actually feel a little bad for him at how bad that situation is right now, although he wanted to get paid and I am happy for him that he did.
At the same time, I find posts longing for Ben kind of funny. He’s having a horrible year. Perhaps had he stayed in Chicago it would be a much better year, but no way to tell. Wishing we had last year’s Ben on this year’s team is as effective as wishing we had last year’s Kirk or Fish. I know he’s been hurt, but we definitely don’t give any of the Bulls a free pass for playing like crap because of injury.
And how crucified do you think he would have been in Chicago if he stayed for the money he’s making in Detroit and had this kind of season?
you just knew once he got that contract he'd get fat and content
that’s why we dangled it in front of him for so long, right?
Man all this tension
makes me wanna smoke
by Belize on Feb 18, 2010 11:37 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
i sure hope so because
how is rose gonna pad his stats and get any assists with what we have now?!
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
The Bulls will
tell us they will wait untill the off-season to deal Hinrich, like they always do.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 18, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Reportedly, we're still trying to sell the Kings on Hinrich
Perhaps we’re trying to be the 3rd party in a deal that sends T-Mac to NYK, Kirk to SAC, and Harrington to us.
Twitter chat says TMac staying in SAC is a major problem.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Hinrich would compliment Tyreke Evans pretty well,
but on the other hand, aren’t the Kings trying to amass bargain contracts / expirings right now?
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
I'm okay with what the Bulls did today
although its going to suck to see Tyrus playing with the Bobcats (and what an incredibly athletic team the Bobcats have)
Basically to ensure max cap space and to do the best we can this season we traded Salmons/Tyrus for Warrick/Murray. Obviously Salmons/Tyrus > Warrick/Murray, even with the pick, but the Bulls had to clear up cap room. Now lets hope that we haven’t improved Charlotte and Milwaukee too much and still can make the playoffs
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2010 11:38 AM CST reply actions
The Bobcats
aren’t that damn athletic outside of Crash Wallace
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 18, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
that is silly
the guy jumps out the gym
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
He has feet problems
I think that’s kept him out more than his back this year
Sadly....through thick and thin....
yup
though he may be shut down again with the ankle injury
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Is he Rose quick or Howard powerful? No
But he has got amazing hops and decent quickness for a 7 footer. I don’t want him to play point guard, but he is good athlete for his position.
Have not
seen Tyson on the court that much this season.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 18, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
but you realize that he is still alive
and plays for the Bobcats right?
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
if one can call that truly alive
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
I know he
is with Charlotte, but he hasn’t been a factor for them this season
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 18, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Wallace, Chandler, Tyrus, Stephen Jackson, Ray Felton
with Diaw and Augustin off the bench. That is a pretty damn athletic lineup
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Diaw, Felton,
Stephen Jackson are not that athletic, Diaw(not athletic at all) is just a fatter version and poor man’s version of Lamar Odom
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 18, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Felton is not athletic, are you joking?
Felton ran a 3.06 in his sprint, had a 10.5 sec agility drill, has a 33.5 in vertical andput up 6 bench reps.
As a comparison Rose (pretty athletic guy wouldn’t you say) 3.09 sprint, 11.69 agility, 10 bench reps, and 40 inch vertical.
Felton has comparable quickness numbers to DRose! The vertical and power is certainly not there, but I would call anyone with speed/quickness numbers on par with Rose athletic.
by DRose01 on Feb 18, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
But if your really fast...
Then your at list a little athletic…
2010... where relevant basketball in Chicago happens!
They may have the most athletic forwards in the league at their respective positions
Wallace and Tyrus. They have a 7’1 center known for his athleticism, and as you point out, Felton is a great athlete in his own right. This is obviously one of the more athletic teams in the NBA.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
it's an interesting debate
What we call athleticism is usually a combination of straight out speed, ability to change directions quickly, and jumping ability. Felton has speed and quickness, but is average to below average at jumping, as compared to the rest of the NBA.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
Wallace+TT+Chandler = lots of swats
When healthy they can put 20 blocks in a game
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
maybe
with the draft pick we are getting from bobcats,we can trade that pick,hinrich and miller for tmac and expirings ??
Rockets don't want Hinrich!
Besides, looks like Rockets are looking to use him with Sacramento to get Martin. Unless Bulls can get in on that trade and ship hinrich to sacramento, it ain’t happening
out of your element donny
"Where is my poster machine??"
by markoni22 on Feb 18, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
the team with the most at the end of the year gets the first pick in the draft
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
This is good enough to get banned.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
i think it was the beginning of his Seinfeld routine.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Have you seen antwan1977 post here?
This is the first I remember. Give the non-capologists a break.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
The non-capologists?
Even a guy who only watches ESPN for sports would understand. Hell even if you only watch WGN news after Bulls games you’d understand.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 18, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
we better hope
we for sure can sign a top free agent or we are effed
Just put up
A FanPost with all the new guys’ scouting reports.
It’s here.
by bigintangibles on Feb 18, 2010 11:42 AM CST reply actions
OT
is this the 1st time, we’ ve traded with Charlotte since MJ came there? I think Chandler went to NO first, right?
of course you'd care about that
MJ is golfing.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Not fully relevant to us
But this is interesting:
Just filed to ESPN.com with @chadfordinsider: Utah and Miami have opened discussions on a possible Carlos Boozer deal before 3 PM deadline
by bigintangibles on Feb 18, 2010 11:44 AM CST reply actions
Who doesn't need
An unathletic combo guard in his late 20s with a bad contract who shoots less than 40 percent from the field? C’mon Utah! You know you want him!
by bigintangibles on Feb 18, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Try to send him to Miami,
Riley loves guys that mix it up on D, and give us Boozer, I wonder will Miami try to send the same sort of trash to Utah like they tried to send to the Suns
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 18, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
Fun though it is to mock
Kirk’s actually not unathletic – there’s a wide range between the uber athletes and the Brad Miller’s of the world. He’d be a great fit under Sloan – too bad money gets in the way.
Korver and Brewer
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Why would Utah get rid of Boozer
when they are playing so well? Top3 in the West. Shouldn’t they be buyers, not sellers?
BCB - We have our own dictionary!
They don't have money to buy.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
And Boozer is a FA at the end of the season, better to get value for him now
Because they aren’t going to re-sign him.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
What value will
Miami give up, when they tried to send Chalmers, Cook, Q, and James Jones for Amare
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 18, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
but the knicks really suck, so utah will upgrade just with the draft. if boozer expires id keep him, see how far you can go in the playoffs. unless they get something really good in return.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Wouldn't they just rather draft Cousins/Favors/other big man, and start Milsap?
I guess playoff success is important enough to the franchise that they’d keep Boozer, but he doesn’t have a great history of health, and I would not want to give him another 4 or 5 years regardless if he wasn’t getting max money.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, i wrote poorly there. i was saying let boozer expire and draft another big unless someone is going to give a lot for boozer now.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
are we done playing the bobcats this season?
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I'm buying tickets for Feb. 20th. First home game after the trade deadline. Will I be happy?
lol thanks...
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I'm buying tickets for Feb. 20th. First home game after the trade deadline. Will I be happy?
Why would they do that?
Isn’t Meeks pretty good? And other than that they’re just swapping EC’s.
…
OK, Milwaukee, whatever.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
I think Meeks is at least young
Ivey blows.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
though a 2nd rounder from the Sixers
is potentially valuable.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
I semi-follow the bucks
Meeks forgot to shoot somehow between college and the NBA, but he tries on D and is good at other things. He’s not embarrassing or anything.
What i’ve read says they’re getting a second round pick, so they’ll get a chance to pick someone they won’t use instead of Meeks, who is also probably cheaper than Ivey. But … yeah, goooo Skiles.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
nice. ivey was literally stealing minutes from jrue holiday. EJ just watched in amazement.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
and most recently...
Elton Brand! I kid you not, Eddie Jordan benched Brand to start the second half in favor of Ivey…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
tell john hollinger to talk about the damn bulls
who cares about milwaukee
"Where is my poster machine??"
um, you tell him.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
i did...and then he didnt respond...so i took it personally and thought maybe u could try..
cause…i thought we were all friends looking out for each other….
"Where is my poster machine??"
I did just ask him about the pick compensation.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
Same
But it looks like his chat has stopped on Gary from Simi Valley?
by bigintangibles on Feb 18, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
As a TT fan
I hope he does well on the bobcats..
As an anti-TT fan
I also hope he does well on the Bobcats. Regardless of the drama that unfolded here in Chicago, this kid has some great athleticism, and it would be nice to see it on display somewhere in the NBA.
"The word ‘potential’ doesn’t mean much to me. You have to maximize your skills and ability. Potential is just a smokescreen. You have to prove you’re real in order to earn all the praise." - Tyrus Thomas
the shot blocking combo of Tyson Chandler and Tyrus Thomas is going to be vicious. Then you have the rebounding combo of Wallace-Chandler-Thomas.
nothing Brad Miller cant handle
up fake! and 1 !!
"Where is my poster machine??"
by markoni22 on Feb 18, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
you guys make tyrus thomas sound like Dikembe Mutumbo
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by Da Bulls' Eye on Feb 18, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
i think you could ask anyone in the league and they would agree that Tyrus is one of the best pure shot blockers in the game.
by juicewolta on Feb 18, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
If by best shot blockers you mean...
not knowing the difference between a blocked shot and a goaltend…then I agree
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by Da Bulls' Eye on Feb 18, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
I’ll give you that he’s kind of dumb (at least on the court) but it doesn’t change his shot blocking statistics over the years. Not many guys have had games where they block 5-6 shots; Tyrus has that ability.
by juicewolta on Feb 18, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i think he means in the sense that tyrus' block rate is 5th in the league. and a lot of shot blockers goal tend too. thats part of the risk.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
by TheMoon on Feb 18, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
goaltending
it gets annoying when tyrus does it a few times in a row, but i think (and the late stormin normin would agree) that it serves to prove a big point. And that is that thomas can get up there, that he can get up there quick, and he can swat anyshot whenever he wants….maybe this one was a goaltend, maybe the next one wont…
If you watch some teams, some players, they dont attack the rim as much when they see tyrus is roaming around the rim, they do more pumpfakes, they go in weaker or go in stronger, and that could lead to a bad judgement on their part….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm so glad I don't have these pointless debates anymore.
It’s so much easier to talk to Bulls fans when all but 3 players are awful.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Flip Murray is better than Ben Gordon!
He’s taller!!!!
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Chandler
Is actually not a great shotblocker. I don’t think he’s ever averaged more than 1.2 or 1.3 bpg. Given his length and athleticism, it’s a disappointing number, I think.
by bigintangibles on Feb 18, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
still some of you guys undervalue TT
to the point where its kind of ridiculous.
by aznlildelfin on Feb 18, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
he alters countless shots
plus he never got big minutes due to foul troubles.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
I want to watch Larry Brown
roll out a front line of Tyrus, Wallace and Jackson. That would be a fun group to watch defensively.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
damn!
i just realized that they had gerald henderson.. shoulda gotten him…
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I'm buying tickets for Feb. 20th. First home game after the trade deadline. Will I be happy?
I guess they wouldn't trade Henderson and a future first round pick
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
Shoulda gotten Gerald Wallace while we're at it too
A) Henderson is not expiring (more desireable at this point I suppose)
B) Why would the Bobcats give him up, for someone they may not be able to resign?
having a blue devil is slowing killing MJ and he'll do it to continue to live???
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I'm buying tickets for Feb. 20th. First home game after the trade deadline. Will I be happy?
by Yibs on Feb 18, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Bulls Wish List
1) Get rid of Salmons for expirings so he can’t use his player option next year – CHECK
2) Get rid of Tyrus for at least a first rounder to help with VDN’s headaches and to say we at least got something for him – CHECK
3) Convince the fans we tried to get rid of Kurt for expirings – CHECK
by Option27 on Feb 18, 2010 11:54 AM CST reply actions 13 recs
bwahaha
sad but true.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
I need at least 1 more
article about a Hinrich push… comeon Lakers. Do something.
"The word ‘potential’ doesn’t mean much to me. You have to maximize your skills and ability. Potential is just a smokescreen. You have to prove you’re real in order to earn all the praise." - Tyrus Thomas
Hinrich with newly acquired pick straight up for Mike Miller
No idea why Wizards would do this, but I’d basically pee myself.
THANKS CHUCK
Chuck (Chicago)
Tell me a Rose-Deng-LeBron-Bosh-Noah team is possible and I may just pass out.
John Hollinger (12:59 PM)
It’s not — you have room for one Max FA, not two. But a Rose-Wade-Deng-Noah core is a legit possibility. In fact I wonder if Miami is pursuing Booz to counter possibility of Wade bolting for Windy City.
"Where is my poster machine??"
if Boozer goes to Mia (and he and Wade stay) and LBJ stays in Cleveland
he probably will come to Chicago. really, why wouldn’t he?
ok seriously why are people now (still) saying we need to trade hinrich or deng for expirings
nearly the entire team is expirings, we do have a season to finish still, and it would be helpful to have a roster for that.
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
by hongydraw on Feb 18, 2010 12:08 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
greedy
they won’t have enough for two max contracts, but they can have one + a non-max. I don’t get anyone saying we need Kirk Hinrich to stay.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
we need hinrich to stay
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2010 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
We need Hinrich
in a new jersey his services are no longer needed, but it was nice to see him BEAT SOMEBODY OFF THE DRIBBLE and FINISH AT THE RIM, MAMA THERE GOES THAT MAN AGAIN!.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 18, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Hinbrick Romantics
are out in full force, lol
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 18, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
I like HInrich
His contract sucks sure, but he’s better than what we’d get to let him walk….
Now that Salmons is gone, I’d much rather have Kirk and his solid, versatile defense, good but not great PG abilities, and nice outside (but lack of inside/layup) shooting, than have Vujacic the next 2 years….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
We need Hinrich
to…..
I can’t do this. Trade Hinrich, start Murray at SG. Hopefully squeeze into the playoffs.
Get Wade and Lee this summer. Profit for the next 5 years of guaranteed championship contention.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
I'm not saying that conversely the Bulls NEED to trade him either
just saying that they shouldn’t be encumbered in trading him because they need him here.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
intangibles!!! BALL MOVEMENT!!!!
THRUSSSSSSSSSSSSTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!
(sorry)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
i realize
i probably do nothing but increase your dislike for hinrich…so i probably should stop….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
What, we haven't traded Pargo?
Oh my god if Pargo (career .474 TS%, 23.8 USG%) and Flip Murray (career .493 TS%, 23.6 USG%) ever share a backcourt. It would be two guys standing by the opponent basket while neither volunteers to inbound the ball.
by YaoPau on Feb 18, 2010 12:08 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Does the 5-second inbound rule apply
If a player hasn’t actually picked up the ball to inbound it?
by bigintangibles on Feb 18, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
also, why the hell would we waive pargo over richard?
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
We have 3 identical guards off the bench who are all chuckers
and they all suck at chucking.
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
by Illini15 on Feb 18, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
recd for truth
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
minus 6 wins. wonderful.
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
i really hope -6 wins isnt what this turns in to. i believe being the only cap space team to make the playoffs (clippers? knicks? nets? the heat might get there..) could be a key
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
that's 6 wins over a whole season, right?
so like 2 wins :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
if thats how it works, thats a little better
i just think saying "we can give you the same contract as new york, clippers, and new jersey, but we already have a star and have been to the playoffs 5 of the last 6 years. money will be the same (actually more because of new yorks rediculous taxes) and better chance to win. wuddaya think?
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
Less taxes as long as they don't live in cook county
which actually has higher taxes than Manhattan.
Yeah, Cook county has the highest tax rate in the country, believe it or not.
Don’t think Lake county (where most of the players live) is nearly as bad.
Yeah, but we have better hot dogs.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
and Pizza!
Although, I do like New York pizza.
2010... where relevant basketball in Chicago happens!
Meh, deep dish pizza isn't that good.
I prefer thin crust.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
Scum.
It’s time you buy yourself a Knicks Jersey and get out of town.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 18, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Aww damn
Sources close to the situation tell ESPN.com that all three teams have reached agreement on deal to send T-Mac to New York
I can't believe this
There is always a sucker
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
So the damn Knicks can offer 2 max players now.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
so wade/lebron and bosh are knicks. we get the third maybe?
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
Better trade the German boy!
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Let's be positive
There is always the possibility that New York free agents are a max payed David Lee and a max payed T-Mac because he played ‘so well’ in his comeback
lol
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I thought the Bulls wanted to clear enough space to sign two max guys.
Now they won’t deal Hinrich?
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
they will never deal Hinrich. Just keep saying it :)
I dunno, it seems like the 2-max was just McGraw via Bulls PR.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Good to see
The grumpy BullsBlogger back — you were too upbeat over ASW.
by bigintangibles on Feb 18, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Damn I thought the Bulls were smart.
But here is my thing.. If NY offers two max guys how do they build a team around them? They have to go over the tax right?
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
they've been like 30+million over the cap for decades, they dont care
Kobe sucks
by La Marc Gasol dridge on Feb 18, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
maybe one of the Max were veteran Max
After all there will be lot of veteran that the bulls could offer the max next season: Salmons, Pargo… better not think about it
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Like I keep stating
Kirk will not be traded (wish he would), Al Jefferson is the 2010 target in a deal for Deng.
The Bulls sign Joe Johnson to play the 3, thus keeping the Craptain.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 18, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
I think they are trying
but didn’t find a Houston
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Now they can sign Joe Johnson and Amare?
Lebron is staying in Cleveland and Wade is either staying with Miami or coming to Chicago.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
So the Bulls options next season are.
Wade or Bosh. Not both. Then the rest.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
by SoulEater7 on Feb 18, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yup
Let’s see what happens by this afternoon but if you add Wade or Bosh to our current roster that isn’t a bad team.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I know.. I thought the idea was to win a title though.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
The Bulls want to make money, don't let them fool you.
Deeper we go into the playoffs the more money they make. And we still can build off of a roster like that with draft picks and trades the next two to five years.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I think Amare and D'Antoni don't like eachother.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Money and him being #1 will fix all that
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
That opinion will have changed after 2 years of Knick-fail.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
More
Sources say Houston gets Kevin Martin, Jared Jeffries, right to swap first-round picks with NYK in 2011 and New York’s first-rounder in 2012
Sources say Kings get Carl Landry, Joey Dorsey and Larry Hughes
by Option27 on Feb 18, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
There wasn't any
When we swiped their 2006 first rounder and swapped in 2007. Of course, that was with Isaiah.
by bigintangibles on Feb 18, 2010 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
still makes me laugh
when i think about it
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
Damn....the Knicks got raped
They better hope they get Lebron or Wade……anyone else is not worth the likely swap in 2011 (b/c the team won’t be as good as Rockets) and loss of 1st in 2012.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
by PeteRoc on Feb 18, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
They were smart to do it this way.
It’s better than giving up their 1st this year unprotected. They gave up next year’s 1st unprotected with the thought that they’d land 2 max FAs. NO problem giving up pick 26-30..
hahahahaha. they might as well start scouting the U-12 leagues.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
by TheMoon on Feb 18, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
even better
Still the thought is they’re only giving up a pick in the range of 26-30, not a lottery pick if they land 2 max guys.
the knicks pick is a protected top 10
so anything below a top 10 pick will go to houston
ah that makes a bit more sense
was beginning to think isiah breached security at MSG and was holding walsh hostage
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
poor larry hughes....
what state does he pay his income tax in?…
"The word ‘potential’ doesn’t mean much to me. You have to maximize your skills and ability. Potential is just a smokescreen. You have to prove you’re real in order to earn all the praise." - Tyrus Thomas
OMG, f you Gar
If you couldn’t get Kirk in that deal then you suck giant desert sun scorpion balls.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
other team = new thread plz...
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
here
http://www.blogabull.com/2010/2/18/1316407/knicks-now-acquiring-tm-ec-in
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
UGH
SteveFitz (Cicero, IL)
Kirk Hinrich, staying or going?
John Hollinger (1:22 PM)
Staying. No way you’re getting rid of $18 million over next two years for a third guard in this economic environment.
by bigintangibles on Feb 18, 2010 12:24 PM CST reply actions
I was really hoping the Grand Finally was Kirk being moved.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
by SoulEater7 on Feb 18, 2010 12:24 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
WTF
Hollinger:
One other piece of news we can report: Bucks got rights to swap first-round picks with Bulls as part of Salmons deal. Top-10 protected.
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
by Illini15 on Feb 18, 2010 12:26 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Ohhhh nooooooooooooo
This line from a movie, television show or other piece of popular culture pretty much sums up my entire personality.
As long as we make the playoffs, we're fine. Still sucks though
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
And as history shows
We would pick a better player with a 20th pick then they would with a 10th. I’m staying with Taj over Hill…
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
It's not going to be that much of a gap
Relax
by Option27 on Feb 18, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah if thats true
we’re getting the worse pick, but i agree with option, there isn’t going to be a huge difference
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
by Illini0509 on Feb 18, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually
Thinking about it, it could save the Bulls some salary cap space if they end up with a worse record than the Bucks — pay for a cheaper 1st rounder.
by bigintangibles on Feb 18, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Not a big deal,
their pick should be a better pick anyway. And if it’s top-10 protected, especially so.
Interesting....its almost as if GarPax was telling the Bucks were still better than you
and here’s the swap option to prove it. We’ll see.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
who cares?
the bucks are behind the bulls in the standings anyway, and if they somehow pass them, it will hardly be any difference.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
this is useless
no way milwaukee finishes ahead of us
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
Oh No
Why Bulls why….
Joakim we need you back ASAP!
Sadly....through thick and thin....
by majoyenrac on Feb 18, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
a 2 1/2 game lead isnt much over 20 games.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
So the Bulls are signing David Lee... thats what 2010 will boil down too?
Kirk to Lee all day!
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Lee is money!
Dont worry – i already know it
Noah
Lee
Deng
Wade
Rose
CHAMPIONSHIP
"Where is my poster machine??"
sign both Dwyane and Lee?
Kobe sucks
by La Marc Gasol dridge on Feb 18, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
CAN'T
KURT HINRICH
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
by SoulEater7 on Feb 18, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
hinrich > lee
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
Retire Kirk's number already!
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
i dont understand your kirk hate....
if we’re targeting bosh why the hell would lee, an all star, come here to back up bosh and noah? kirk, yeah is over paid, but is also more valueable to the bulls. if we get wade or lebron or johnson instead of bosh? then re-sign miller or warrick for much cheaper than lee would cost. hinrich > lee.
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
I thought you wanted David Lee because all the other stars won't let Rose shine?
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
I watched that game last night and changed my mind.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Shocking.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I had no idea he sucked that bad at defense.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
You should watch games.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
That's why knowing things is good.
Instead of going “Lee will be great!!!!!” without watching him play.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
He would be damn good with Rose, but if you didn't know he was a bad defender now....
Well, did it take you 5 years to figure out Ben Gordon was a good shooter?
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
Even with D'Antoni and tons of money, why would FA go to a Knicks team with an awfull roster?
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
THANK YOU!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Feb 18, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
exactly
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
I wouldn't be
running to NY to play w/ Chandler and Gallinari
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 18, 2010 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
Spike Lee man!
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
I love his films! But...
Spike can EAT ME!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Feb 18, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
At least he can laugh at benny the Bull dancing.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Watch it now....
Benny can cut a rug!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Feb 18, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
nah man spike is coool
hes got that sick New York Yankees hat with all the championships on it
"Where is my poster machine??"
You're right man...
I can’t say nuthin bad about Spike i’ll DO THE RIGHT THING. HA HA HAAAA FAIL!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Feb 18, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
because you add lebron and bosh and they are awesome
look at that cavs roster. its lebron and busters who only look good because they are playing with lebron. a lineup of duhon/chandler/lebron/gallo/bosh isnt awesome?!
by Stay Chisel on Feb 18, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Comparing with...
Rose, Wade, Deng, Lee? and Noah
I have my doubts…
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
PREACH BROTHA!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Feb 18, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
The Cavs though have smart fillers on their team
Varejao is one of the best pure hustle players in the league (though he’s now dramatically overpaid, they can do that with Lebron), he’s solid.
Mo Williams is a streaky shooter not quite BG quality shooting, but a far better ball handler….so that levels that off.
Shaq is still SHAQ, clogs the middle, a far cry of him 5-6 yrs ago sure, but hardly bad. Just doesn’t put up his stats, but is still someone that will keep at least 1 man glued to him at all times….which is one less double teammer for Lebron.
And now with Jamison they’re better…
I do agree without Lebron (and without Antawn) they are in teh 30-35 win category, but the other pieces aren’t as bad as they had been. Withouth Lebron and with Jamison they’re a 500 team….with Lebron they should be a tleast a 60 win team. The Shaq trade is looking better than I would have thought—though I still think they were perhaps more dangerous last year—pre this latest trade.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
LeBron
probably stays w/ the addition of Twan, they finally have a legit #2 scorer
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 18, 2010 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
i don't know
Jamison’s solid, but not much of a defender and will be 34….. Shaq might want more dough and as a draw for butts in seats will get it somewhere….
z
Jamison SHOULD work there, but it’s not without risks. If he doesn’t work or gets hurt or shows his age….Bron might be out. Cleveland has too many old role players locked in next to young Lebron….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Let me preface this
That I wanted Jamison on our team a month ago and still would love him as a leader, etc that can more than play and fill our 4 spot well….
But then again we don’t have a Varejao unmovable long contract, Boobie Gibson, Mo Williams ain’t going anywwhere, etc.
Kirk has 2 yrs left which means one more year after this likely in Chicago…
Sadly....through thick and thin....
the bottom line is:
do they want to share their stardoom?
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
im much more worried about Miami's cap space than New York's
Perrenial playoff team: Bulls-check, Heat-check, Knicks-
Star already on the roster: Bulls-check, Heat-check, Knicks-
Cap Space: Bulls-check, Heat-check, Knicks-check
Major Market: Bulls-check, Heat- , Knicks-check
Dress of females in the city during basketball season: Bulls-pants and coats, Heat-bikinis and extremley small shorts, Knicks-pants and coats.
So the score ends up being: Bulls: 4, Heat: 4, Knicks: 2
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
I worry about thongs..
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
I've got mine on!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Feb 18, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
clean as a whistle! TOOT TOOT!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Feb 18, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
just a few more hours left in this world...
If you’re still here after the 18th I’m driving my car into Lake Michigan!
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I'm buying tickets for Feb. 20th. First home game after the trade deadline. Will I be happy?
by Yibs on Feb 18, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Heat is trying Boozer, last try too
TT+Miller+pick – it sucks but so does the Heat offer
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 12:32 PM CST reply actions
Forman on the Salmons trade
“We like the combination of our player talent, cap flexibility and our ability to improve our team this summer in the free agent market,” said Chicago Bulls General Manager Gar Forman. “This trade is another step in the process of building our team and getting better.”
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
damn makes it seem like this is pretty much it
and tyrus trade was just to find tyrus a new home and get a draft pick…this guard glut is gonna suck though…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Reminds me of last year
Except that we only really have 2 legitimate starters (Rose and Hinrich)…
Sadly....through thick and thin....
he said to legitimate starters
i didnt know he was implying just guards…mi mal….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
two**
not to….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
No problem
I was replying to the end of your comment on the guard gluts
I think we have
4 legimate starters in Rose, Deng, Noah and HInrich
With Taj pretty close on many teams—the Taj of last night though was very impressive.
One nice thing about the Tyrus trade is now I can think more about just how good our #26 bust pick has been. I still wish it was Blair at #16….but Gibson’s been very solid.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Why the No?
Gibson makes what $1M to give us 8 and 7 as a rookie with when not fouling pretty good defense and the occasional big game.
No reason to hate on that.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I've never disliked Gibson
I mean, I’d have rather Tyrus as the starter all year, but I really do like Gibson’s game and demeanor.
He REALLY needs to work on his FT’s, though.
Actually I'm in agreement
with you. I don’t have anything against Taj. He just isn’t a starter caliber player. He should be coming off the bench. It’s the Bulls fault that their roster sucks and the coach hates Tryus (partially Tyrus’s fault) and he’s forced to start. I just want the team to be better than ‘Taj is our starter’ at PF.
That's what I mean though
I feel like I got tricked into disliking this really surprising, nice player because I was so protective of Tyrus from the way the org handled him. It’ll be good to be able to bask in our team finally finding a late-1st round steal (though we probably could have gotten him in the 2nd round).
and ummm deng?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Of the 7 guards
We have, only 2 could start in the league, and only 1 would start on every team in the league…
Last year we had 3 with a few close to starters bitching…. (Salmosn is a SF in my mind)
Sadly....through thick and thin....
its like an ocean of guards
water water everywhere and not a drop to drink….we have shooters chuckers all over our roster, and yet we wont be able to make a single shot…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
Though we'll have
2 of the last 30 games where our chuckers will all get hot against a good team and get us all excited only to remind us in the other 28 that they suck.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
6 guards
2 good games a piece, ~30 games left. Let’s pray there’s no overlap in the good games.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
I'm very new at the salary cap thing
What were the reports I read where it was mentioned that the Bulls have enough for two max deals? Hollinger said they have enough for just the one. Can someone shed some light for me? Thanks!
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
They would need to unload Hinrich
for expirings at the very least to have room for 2 max guys.
by NerdVernacular on Feb 18, 2010 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Just one max propheteer
it is all we get
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
which is what we need.
plenty of room for an all star free agent, and still money to re-sign guys or go offer mid level and low level guys
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
If Warrick plays well, I won't mind if the Bulls re-sign him
This, assuming we get wade, of course. If we get Bosh, than we will need to get a SG
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
Warrick backs up the 3 and 4
Hinrich the 1 and 2. Asik the 5.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
One max, and one non-max deal.
So, think Bosh+random SG who can score. (Anthony MorrowAnthony MorrowAnthony MorrowAnthony MorrowAnthony MorrowAnthony MorrowAnthony MorrowAnthony MorrowAnthony MorrowAnthony MorrowAnthony MorrowAnthony MorrowAnthony Morrow)
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
Morrow has been going nuts since he came back from his injury.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
what if its like bosh
korver and marrow?
rose/hinrich
Marrow/korver
Deng/korver
Bosh/Taj
Noah/Asik
and whatever draft pick we have, i guess wed have to do a sign and trade to get bosh to have the money to do this though….but man we quickly changed from a defensively orientated team to an offensive one….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
i would never forget hinrich
i have him backing rose…i guess maybe u meant having hinrich play the 2….yea i guess that would happen….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
Well, with the bone marrow do we use stem cells to create our superstars in a lab?
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
Morrow
is on fire right now too..i would love to get him this offseason
by SuperStarRose on Feb 18, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Did anyone else notice in the announcement
That we are sending two 2nd round picks to Milwaukee.
Does that mean we are getting 2nd round picks from Charlotte?
yep
In addition to Salmons, the Bulls sent second-round draft picks in 2011 and 2012 to the Bucks. Milwaukee also will have the option in in the 2010 draft of switching first-round picks with the Bulls, as long as the pick is not a top-10 selection.
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i hope not, 2nd round picks are annoying and more times than not dont matter. we are planning to be a good team right? not everybody in the late second round is josh howard or dejaun blair.
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
Ugh, players are players
We don’t have much of a rotation as it is, and plenty of 2nd rounders make rotations. In this past draft alone Pendergraph, Blair, Jerebko, Young, Brockman, Thornton, Budinger, and Price have all made rotations.
Between the Asik and Salmons trades, we’ve lost 5 second round picks. That stuff adds up.
by YaoPau on Feb 18, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
If Asik is any good
that’s not a “loss”.
What’s the success rate on 2nd round picks making the rotation? Even if it was as high as 33%, which it’s not, you would only expect one usable player every 3 picks. Also if the Bulls make the playoffs their pick is in the second half of the 2nd round. How many of those above guys went that late?
If it’s 1 in 4, which is still over optimistic, All that you would need is for Asik to be any good to get your expected value for all 5 picks.
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by runningman on Feb 18, 2010 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
A Bulls team renouncing everyone and signing a max FA
REALLY could use 2nd round picks.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
A minimum salary vet
Is probably as useful or more useful than a minimum salary rookie.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
I present exhibit A: Lindsey Hunter
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I raise you
Aaron Gray
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
All in
Jannero PArgo
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
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by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Difference from the past is
If we got pipedream Lebron
Or maybe just maybe’s: Wade, Bosh, Boozer, Amar’e, Johnson
Add them to Deng and Rose and Noah, and I think we are close to the Phx situation (where they got a pretty good Grant HIll for 50% of the salary he was offered to stay where he was in Orlando)….
We might actually have a team that these vets want to come to play for for the last chance at a win….
We’ve never had that (but we haven’t had a Rose caliber player since MJ/Pipp)
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I am not saying
Rose is as good as MJ but who knows he coul dbe as good as Pipp soon given how sensational he is at 21. Pippen is my all time fave player too….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Redd was
the best player in his class, he was a second rounder, so was Boozer
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 18, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Jesus
Looks like Gar really didn’t want to trade Kirk. Wow we gave up a lot to clear a player option.
by YaoPau on Feb 18, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i think they got rid of the picks
more to clear any capholds, i think depending on where they land in the draft and whos available, they might trade the pick with say a kirk hinrich to get more capspace…i think whatever took place today will end up continuing in july….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
2nd round picks don't have cap holds
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
oh...
umm…yea i got nothing….they werent planning on drafting guys who get paid the minimum?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Uh, no one wanted Kurt for expirings. It's not Gar's fault.
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
they could have done it last year
or so the rumours say. It’s like a drug. ’Let’s use it just one more season…’
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Celtics did, Bulls turned it down.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Do you really believe that?
All indications were we’d ship him to the Lakers for expirings, but they kept trying to include Vujacic and we said no. Couple this with McGraw saying the Bulls were still trying to launch him today, and I doubt the C’s were offering purely expirings. What do I know, though.
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
well it was reported by KC Johnson
to seems to be pretty conservative on what to let out there.
Bulls were only open to ‘non junk’ expirings. it’s a difference
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
it depends how Kirk plays
if he plays well, they’ll say the Bulls wisely turned it down. If he doesn’t they’ll say the offer to move him was never really there.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
heh, nice.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
I just think
Gar didn’t want to trade Kirk….I think a package with Kirk could have been made, but the bulls like him….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I've thought this
all along too.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
wow really?
i’m surprised we have any 2nd rounder left after dealing them all for Asik
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Great move by the Bucks
as history says Salmons will opt out as nobody stays in Milwaukee
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
WOW tyrus is gone..
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
sucks
this org sucks. If we dont get anyone in the summer. . . .
by aznlildelfin on Feb 18, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Question from a casual fan
So moving Salmons essentially ensured that we’ll have the cap room to sign a max free agent, right?
Trading Thomas does nothing for us other than removing a distraction and netting us whatever pick we get, since he was expiring already, right? To add a second max free agent, we’d have to trade Kirk for expirings, right?
Just want to make sure I understand.
DEJESUS!!!
Yes basically
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
yeah or deng
which doesn’t seem like a remote possibility
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
Kirk + Deng for expirings
If we want a 2nd MAX
Shouldn't it concern Bulls fans nobody wanted Hinrich???
Is his contract that onerous? I haven’t cared much for him for the last three years now. I think hustle players performance declines faster than skill players. What about future contract negotiations with Hinrich on your team being used as a standard.
by sadafan on Feb 18, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I think the truth is probably somewhere in the middle
It’s pretty well documented that there are teams with interest in Kirk – just not willing to do a trade the Bulls org thought was worth it.
typical bulls
typical bulls rebuild year after year although it was time to get rid of Salmons and tyrus and maybe pargo
by bullsfan24 on Feb 18, 2010 12:47 PM CST reply actions
kirk
getting rid of kirk bulls fans better pray that Wade or Bosh comes to Chicago
by bullsfan24 on Feb 18, 2010 12:48 PM CST reply actions
He's here to stay dude!
I have to buy a new car.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
by SoulEater7 on Feb 18, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
oh u werent going to be in it
or did u survive the crash, jason bourne style?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
i really really hope
the Bulls can land Amare or Boozer before this is over if not i got a bad feelings.
He problaby wont be
Unless we find a team to trade for like we did with Thabo last year
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
Just cut him
Murray is now the emergency PG in his place.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
playoffs
I hope new faces new attitude at least the bulls can be a contender in the Eastern Conference finals there lose to the Cavs but it be great to give Lebron a run for his money
by bullsfan24 on Feb 18, 2010 12:54 PM CST reply actions
i just hope we can still make the playoffs with all the trash we just got for salmons and thomas.
i still agree with the salmons trade, but if we were going to trade thomas i would have much prefered a 1-for-1. too many new freaking players are coming in right now. wtf is our rotation right now?
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
I can see the future
and Kirk Hinrich is the Bulls GM
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 12:55 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
kirk hinrich
not making excuses but hopefully after the trade deadline if he still is a bull he will play better like last year. I’m sure the trade rumors been bugging him now the two headed monster of Rose and Hinrich can get down to business
by bullsfan24 on Feb 18, 2010 12:57 PM CST reply actions
So the Bulls have about 20 million in cap space, NY has about 32 million
That gives the Knicks 12 million more than the Bulls, right?
The Bulls have Rose, Deng, Noah and yes . . . Hinrich
I would have to think that the 12 million doesn’t even come close to having a core like Chicago has.
don’t worry man Hinrich will be gone after this season just sit back and enjoy the ride we are going to the playoffs
by bullsfan24 on Feb 18, 2010 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
no he won't
he’s got 2 years remaining after this one (unless you assume he’s getting dealt for expirings next year)
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
Clippers will be players too
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
drivin the full boat:
Bulls, Knicks (x2), Nets (x2), Heat (x2 if Wade leaves), Clippers, Wizards, Kings.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
nets have gotta be interesting for some of these guys
if they land wall. not saying its a slam dunk, but interesting
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
Wiz, Kings, Clips could land Wall too
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
true, but they only have room for 1 max
i guess all those teams are in the same shape though
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
John Wall and Tyreke Evans? Go to hell.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
Plus new york has no 1st round draft pick
for 2 of the next 3 years, plus a bad one in 2011.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
Funny...
I proposed the Tyrus trade about a week ago in a thread on here…I feel like I am techn9ne…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 18, 2010 1:05 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
I will rec this.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
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by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
right
so after today – i would say Chris Bosh is the best fit for the bulls…..i think in the long run he’s also the most reliable…. wade has been beaten bruised and banged up since he’s been drivin in the lane his whole career – amare already has had surgery – and lebron james is a d bag
"Where is my poster machine??"
A worrisome realization
Take a look at OKC. They are a pretty good, extremely young team this year. They have 40 mil. If Krstic opts out, they will have 35 mil on the books next year. Which team would you sign with if you were a max free agent?
Rose/Hinrich/Deng/Noah core or Westbrook/Harden/Durant/Green core? To me this is a tough call…here’s praying that Krstic stays put.
OKC=small market and already has Kevin Durant.. I don’t see a star player picking up and moving to OKC
Could you imagine Bosh or Wade on that team?
I know it’s a small market and they will have to pay Durant after next season, but just looking at this from a pure youth and talent stand point along with cap room, they are quite good.
thats interesting
but they’re gonna have to pony up for all of those guys on rookie contracts at some point, plus its okc
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
yea but market sizes mean something
bosh has openly stated that even though he is regarded as an all star, because he plays in toronto, a small market, he isnt regarded as a superstar and he believes he has played and done things at a superstar level. He’s said that if he were in a bigger market people would regard him for what he really is, a superstar.
I think all allstars have that sort of mentality, the only one who might choose okc over a chicago or ny is a guy like lebron, who is already a global phenom. Ask a casual fan about bosh and they will say he is good, but they wont regard bosh in the same light as a dwade….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I suppose that's true
I still think it’s something to worry about. I like the Bulls combination youth (Rose and Noah) and experience (Deng and Hinrich) and their overall talent is solid, but OKC is an intruiging place. I hope they aren’t sneaky contenders :(.
I really don't think Bosh is staying in Toronto
I watched some NBATV of the all star interviews and Bosh was like in his 2 minute spot—well we’re playing much better right now but nobody pays any attention to us at all….really kind of frustrated by the whole thing and saying it all together in one breathe. I was like, oh he’s bolting.
Then he just seemed to want to play with Rose in the ASG, really running and gunning mroeso withDerrick….at least that’s what I saw, and I’ve always been a Wade first kind of guy, so it wasn’t like I was waiting for Rose-Bosh duo, I was eager for Wade and Rose…I know it’s one game iwth no defense and nobody playing their all, but I liked what I saw….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
But will one of these max guys
Want to go to OKC to be a clear #2 to a younger Durant?
It’s one thing to be a #2 to a guy they have been in the league with for years….
I don’t know, it’ll be interesting, though I liked that you brought that up.
OKC also has to really worry about extending Durantula soon….and don’t have the funds of a Chicago.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I still want two good players!
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
So the Bulls just made themselves worse?
Alright!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2010 1:09 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
You're not usually one to miss the point, so why be an intentional douche?
What else should they have done?
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by Illini15 on Feb 18, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think he's just kidding.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
yeah, Tyger is going on tilt this week.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
He's too good of a poster to act like a troll. The act is grating.
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
I've been locked in a dungeon all morning, almost really.
This is my first news of what happened. They just made themselves a whole lot worse.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
You're being a troll. Sure, they made themselves worse
but you’re crazy if you don’t see why they did this and think they were bad moves.
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
I know why they did it.
Because they didn’t want to trade Kirk Hinrich. You’re crazy if you don’t see that.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
How pissed would you be if they couldn't unload Salmons either?
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
What do you mean?
I’d be more “pissed”?
I don’t like being happy with the “at least they did….”
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
yes
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I choose to drink more.
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Feb 18, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
You're acting like this is some sort of god awful travesty
The Bulls cleared room for a max FA and can still make the playoffs. I realize you hate the Org. I’m not a big fan either, but I thought this was a successful deadline. Maybe it’s time you finally jump to the Kings or the Thunder, where the grass is green and all is bright.
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
I'm with ya
the Kirk love and Tyrus hate by the Org. is just their fundamental distaste for talent. That didn’t change today.
But Kirk is at least a good player and a good fit. If they get a max FA it’s all good. If they don’t, they were boned anyway.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
And that's why I'm not done with them.
If it works, great.
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Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I don't know what you mean, i'm a Bobcats fan now.
Tyrus + Tyson! T1 and T2. I’m not sticking here when T3 = Taj
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree. I don't think they can make the playoffs.
They got worse while making the two teams behind them better. I’ll be surprised if they win 12 more games the rest of the season.*
*I should make the statement, though, that I haven’t looked at their schedule.
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* it's fairly easy
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
beginning of march looks rough though.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
plus the slightly winnable becomes very winnable later
when tankapalooza begins
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
true to that
And i know it was easy, i just had to go from wasting time at home to wasting time at work. :-)
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Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Well I think there's a difference here
between “can” and “will.” I said can, as in, it’s possible to still make the playoffs. They might not make it, but at least there’s a realistic shot at it. It’s not like they’re going to completely tank from here on out. Have you looked at the Eastern conference standings recently? It’s basically Bulls vs. Bucks for the 8th spot in the end, and we have 2.5 games on them right now.
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
I understand "can" and "will.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
12 more wins puts them 39 wins. That could very well be the 8th seed.
They made themselves worse, but they can still make the playoffs. The Eastern Conference is a kind conference.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
We have a bit of a lead on Milwaukee
Sure they could catch us, but we’re not exactly starting out even.
And the Bobcats are only better if a 4th NBA coach doesn’t decide Tyrus is frustrating and needs to ride the pine. I’m actually incredibly interested to see how this goes for Ty, and wish him well – I’m just not convinced it will be smooth.
Tyrus is going play
with Brown. Brown loves defensive guys. He hates rookies, but he loves new faces with experience.
He’s going to help the Bobcats hold more opponents under 80 points.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
I can certainly see that possibility
And for Tyrus I hope it does work out that way.
But can you honestly tell me you can’t see it going the other way?
and Brown is pretty much the GM now, right?
it’s not like he wouldn’t have wanted Tyrus.
That said, he quickly doesn’t want what he used to want.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't there some Friend of Jordan as the GM?
Rod Higgins?
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
yes he is
I won’t pretend to guess what the heck is going on down there, but I think LB has influences. He’s likely better paid than any other exec there (except M.Jeff)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
i get your point
but did they really have any realistic shot of making it farther than the 1st round?
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
I'd go back and do the deals that would have netted the same end results in cap space...
…but had a better team. Hinrich for Blake and Outlaw, for one.
The Bulls love Hinrich way too much and hate Tyrus Thomas way too much. It’s perplexing. It’s sad. And people are satisfied with it because they’ve lowered the expectations so much. I honestly can’t fathom how people can be a fan of an organization like this.
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Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I agree it's all very sad
but at the end of the day, would you rather Tyrus “play” out the rest of the year in Vinny’s doghouse, or at least get a draft pick for him?
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
As a fan of Thomas, I'd rather he get traded.
As a “fan” of the Bulls, I’d rather he stayed.
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Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Letting someone walk for nothing is always a great plan
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
um...
the point is to win, right? he would have added more wins to the rest of the season than what they’ll get now. I don’t agree that’s “nothing”.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Since when are you one of those people who thinks this season means anything in the long run?
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
It doesn't. You're right.
But I just don’t like the idea of getting worse just because.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
"just because"
No, I think it’s more like sacrificing a small amount of talent this year, which gives them the opportunity to get an elite talent for the next few years.
Point is to win long term
as well as short term. Winning a couple of extra games this year is less valuable than the 1st round pick which can be used on a long term piece, or packaged for something better in the future.
Funny that you simultaneously wanted Kirk to be traded though that would have made the Bulls worse this year too.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
you're now trolling to
if you have a problem, flag.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
I just call it as I see it.
And Tyger is one of the best posters on the board, I’d rather not flag since he brings great stuff to the table when not throwing a fit of anger.
Sorry.
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
See? That's what I mean. A fit of anger?
So the Bulls just made themselves worse?
Alright!
I don’t see this as a “fit of anger”. We might disagree on that, though.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'm not sure I know what a troll is.
I’m not trying to incite anyone or start a flame war or insulting people. This was the first I heard of what happened, and I simply expressed my displeasure with it… with a sarcastic remark at the end. The rest of what I’ve said, which is apparently still trolling, was only an attempt to get you to see why I was so displeased. Apparently, you aren’t interested in trying to understand why. So it is.
I don’t get why you’re so upset that I don’t see the picture as rosy as you do.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I just don't think you truly believe some of the things you're saying.
But hey, I could be wrong.
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
I wanna see Tyrus under Jordans wings.
Just don’t call him gay MJ!
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
by SoulEater7 on Feb 18, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd be impressed if Jordan even knew who was on the roster after today.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
Sure he does!
He’s got the Calloway Signature Custom Big Bertha at driver, the Ping Ultimate at putter, Taylor Made at irons and fairway woods.
Why wouldn’t he know that?
by kozzer on Feb 18, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm not sure how this works salary-wise
But I wish we couldn’ve thrown Pargo (or Brown) into the Charlotte trade and gotten Augustin back. He’s in Larry’s doghouse and has the potential to be something besides a chucker. Plus I’d 1 million times rather watch him in a Bull’s jersey than Pargo.
hurts cap space for next year
And if he stays a chucker/ineffective, now we are stuck paying the man
reminder, as I'm trying to keep things sane: NYK talk here:
http://www.blogabull.com/2010/2/18/1316407/knicks-now-acquiring-tm-ec-in
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 1:18 PM CST reply actions
I'm actually a fan of Warrick..
Well at least when he plays against the Bulls he kicks ass.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
I assume he's not starting though.
Taj has to still develop at 24.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
dont worry, you'll hate him soon enough.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
by TheMoon on Feb 18, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the Bobcats get better today.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
as did the Bucks.
we’re still likely top-8 though. A lot depends on Noah.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
I think the Bulls are fine if they keep Hinrich.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
I disagree.
I know I’m the resident pessimist now, or something, but I don’t see how they’re still better than the two teams right behind them when the bulls just got worse and those teams just got better.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
i agree. 2 and a hlaf games isnt much over a 30 game stretch.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Charlotte I'll give you
but you REALLY think Salmons moving to Milwaukee is enough to make them better than the Bulls? I thought he was an “offense-black-hole-chucker-who’s-overrated-on-defense”…
It is pretty funny considering Tyger's long-standing HATE for John Salmons
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
I just don't get it
unless it’s just blind hating on the Bulls. Player X is overrated and sucks while on the Bulls, then once they leave the Bulls they’re a franchise-savior.
Trading Kirk
will make a most of this pain go away.
Everyone seems to want that except Gar, Pax, and Dorf and the BaB Kirk fanclub.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Distinction
I’m sure there are Kirk fans who want him to stay, but there are also quite a few who would like him traded to a better situation for him and to free up the money for the Bulls to reshape the roster.
I suppose the common factor is whether you think of Kirk as providing value to the team so long as he is here, or not.
When you have so much anger
it’s hard to focus it. It just flows on whatever’s nearby.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
Player X was the excuse to get rid of Player Y who was Ben Gordno who was much better than Salmons.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
It means more that James Johnson will be getting 15 mpg at SF
And Flip Murray will get time at PG and SG. I hate John Salmons when the alternative is Ben Gordon. Not when it’s Flip Murray.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Tyrus will be better off once Stephen Jackson makes him his bitch
by juicewolta on Feb 18, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the Bobcats got a lot better today
They get rid of a chucker, add another defensive guru, and all they had to give up was a future pick and garbage?
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
welp...
its 130…30 more mins. i think we are done bulls fans
anyone
think we are gonna make another trade
Doubt it
I’m ready to drive Kirk to the airport myself.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You will have to pick him in Paxson's condo
they must be celebrating together
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
fingers crossed.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
by SoulEater7 on Feb 18, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m going to be pissed when Tyrus averages 15-10 and 2 blocks per game with increased minutes for the ’Cats..
basically what he gave the Bulls when they played him
by juicewolta on Feb 18, 2010 1:35 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Diaw has been pretty unproductive
and they had no back up PF
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
just looked at his stats
and i didnt realize diaw was playing that badly
hinrich
i think we could get a decent player in return for him,i mean i like him and all but damn trade the dude for atleast someone decent. i sure hope we get a top FA and also hope murray and warrick step up for us
by CuTler2bearz on Feb 18, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
He will probably keep same minutes
He has diaw in front of him
He'll start in two weeks
Diaw will get benched.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
I don't get this bobcats pick.
It’s protected?
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
read what I wrote up top
I’ve read no better info.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
I'm going to love Bobcats games now!
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
I'm actually going to see Bucks v Bobcats on Saturday night
it’ll almost be like a Bulls game! Especially so if Chandler plays.
From Bill Ingram
Thomas is precisely the kind of the player the Bobcats have needed in their front court. He’s an aggressive defender, has a nice mid-range shot, and will defend the rim relentlessly.
Nice mid-range shot. I was a pro-Tyrus and I’d never dare…
ESPN
Just said memphis likes hinrich and are wanting to get rid of conley…..could we have a deal in place before the deadline???? probably not lol
not so sure they wanna get rid of conley now
maybe last year
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
DO YOU BELIEVE IN MIRACLES?!?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
PUTTING THE CAR IN REVERSE.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
by SoulEater7 on Feb 18, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Kurt for Conley/Hunter works
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
Probably still not enough for another max
Conley’s due $4.9M next year
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
That trade is gross
ShipTileDirect.com - Why pay expensive retail prices? When you can ShipTileDirect at a fraction of the cost.
Conley's contract
has an additional year on it. We save money, but do we need to get much further under the cap now that Salmons is gone?
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Pick up a max and a 2nd level guy or 2
The team’s going to need to build some depth eventually b/c there won’t be much there
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
Do we keep Conley?
Looks like Marcus Williams 2.0 to me.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Have to get to 13 players on the roster somehow
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
Yeah but Derrick Rose is Jesus with a jump shot.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
wow. i posted that trade idea weeks ago.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
I’ll be realistic, this offseason has Joe Johnson and David Lee written all over it for the Bulls. I’m not necessarily mad at that
Rose
Johnson
Deng
Lee
Noah
I'm letting this thread bloat like a Kirk Hinrich contract
until the actual deadline passes. Just in case.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 1:52 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
that means it will be here for next 2 and half years
and then another 5… and then another 2+1… and then….?
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Boozer deal could be off says STEIN
just.. sorry
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Think Tyrus will get the 3 minutes ovation like MJ?
I’ll be clapping at my TV.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
We better be shooting well those 3s
He will look to swat everybody under the rim
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
Tyrus haters are going to go bananas.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
OMGGGGGG
Latest: Hearing one team is making a last minute push for Amare. Suns source says a deal “may” happen. Link coming.
COULD IT BE THE BULLS
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
by Illini15 on Feb 18, 2010 1:55 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
only counts if they're your own panties!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
They're already in a bunch
Hinrich is still on the roster.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Mine are on my head!
:::::giggles
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
without tyrus
hard to see it happening but let’s not lose hope
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
I really hope so...
and I think Deng would benefit SO much from receiving Nash’s passes.
Mannix
Amar’e Stoudemire is not moving. Period.
http://twitter.com/ChrisMannixSI/status/9298508398
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
haha
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
i do everything 5 minutes ahead
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
they could be on hold to the league office!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
This is Joe Alexander today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M7RnXYf4P8
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
come on bulls come oooooonnnn
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
ESPN guys say Amare talks still on
SI guys saying “No times infinity”.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
:(
Latest: Amare is staying in Phoenix. Last minute bid failed. Sarver, Kerr, Stoudemire & agent meeting for dinner tonight to calm waters
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
If I'm Amare
I’m ordering the shit out of that menu.
by Kevin C on Feb 18, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm listening to the first show of B&B
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Chad Ford with the ultimate blue balls post. Come on man, I have places to be
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
Damn
Latest: Amare is staying in Phoenix. Last minute bid failed. Sarver, Kerr, Stoudemire & agent meeting for dinner tonight to calm waters.
Wonder who it was
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
lol
Happy Marriage Phoenix!
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
That's why it's the worst blue balls post ever...
we’ll probably never know.
by Kevin C on Feb 18, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No you don't.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Last minute Deal
Bulls trade Stacey King and our 2010 free agent hopes for Ron Mercer and Jalen Rose
by Uncle Stanley McGoober on Feb 18, 2010 2:07 PM CST reply actions
I was hoping the Bulls traded at least one guard between Pargo and Brown
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
Alexander?
This guy has just been terrible. The Bucks declined to pick up his rookie option year. He’s playing in the D-League right now.
He’ll be out of the league in two years.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
Or he just can't play for Scott Skiles
I don’t know, I’m just speculating
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
He's apparently been really bad
In the ‘08 draft he apparently put on many athletic shows, but once he got into playing action he was bad. He’s shooting 40% from the field in the D-League.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
send kirk to Celtics get Nate and crap
or do anything else to trade kirk!!!
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 2:09 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
OK. Now the Mannix memes are called for
ChrisMannixSI
Why Bulls are winners RT @KCJHoop Bulls still have a playoff team from this view and also now the ability to sign a max FA this summer.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
they're right
Hinrich’s pain to look at, but he does help this team make the playoffs. If you’re saying that’s not important, fine. But I still think it is to keep us a viable destination.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
1 FA?
fuck man
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Latest: Gar Paxdorf to meet with Bulls fans for dinner tonight to calm waters.
by juicewolta on Feb 18, 2010 2:12 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Maybe?
With all these guards, the Bulls might’ve accomodated Pargo’s wish for more playing time and done a last-minute deal.
Or they just "need" him now.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
im really going to miss tyrus. he was a maniac sometimes but now there is exactly 1 fun player
on this team.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
yeah. i root a lot for noah because hes intense but hes not fun to watch.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Kevin C gave a better description of what this team now lacks from a spectacle point of view.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Which is different than "fun", which is what I was talking about
and what the post I was replying to said.
AS fun.
Enjoyment is subjective.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
Well, if not "fun"
maybe a better description would be a “damn, did he just really do that?!?!” player that we have confidence in.
Noah’s a hustle guy, he doesn’t fit.
So Rose it is.
Are you forgetting
about Miller’s patented four-minute drive from FT line to hoop? Because every time he does that, I say, “DAMN! Did that just happen?!”
This line from a movie, television show or other piece of popular culture pretty much sums up my entire personality.
yfbb said it will be here for the next decade
just like Kirk
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Ronnie Brewer may be departing for Memphis
for a future pick.
The Grizz are going to be in the playoffs. Why didn’t they trade for Kirk? Do they have a PG?
I hate you Gar. I hate you so much.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2010 2:16 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
nice move for them. they get deeper and they have clearly decided shoring up their defense
with a perimeter player wont help. might as well stick with the offense thing. is chris wallace an ok gm? —good deal for utah too.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
hmm. i dont know why i said good deal for utah. arent they trying to win now? like right now?
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Adande on ESPN
Says Bulls kept Kurt for his leadership and other unmeasurable intangibles.
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
Adande must've interviewed Vinny...
You're my assistant! You're supposed to back me up and go get me juiceboxes whenever I want. Now go get me a juicebox!
by chibullsfan03 on Feb 18, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
I was just about to say
he said he talked to Vinny earlier today haha
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
Like "thrust"
Though, even as bad as he gets trashed around here, I think Hinrich is actually a pretty good player.
If only this front office...
…..really valued the tangible and the measurable.
Then we’d finally get somewhere.
i would be a lot happier if they said, "kirk is better than what we would have gotten for him and we need to make the playoffs this year."
i hate this intangibles shit.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
new thread is up
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 2:26 PM CST reply actions
threadageddon is over!
You're my assistant! You're supposed to back me up and go get me juiceboxes whenever I want. Now go get me a juicebox!
by chibullsfan03 on Feb 18, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
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