Happy Trade Deadline Day! The BlogABull way.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 8:21 AM CST
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PrintThe Bulls have already made their basest necessary move of moving Salmons for expiring deals, which is great news. They still have the issues of picking the Bucks mystery meat (thanks to Sports2 in the comments for that line), and then possibly moving around existing expiring deals for others for better roster balance.
And there's always the possibility of another major move and clearing more 2010 money. I doubt that will happen, and really if you want to be a happier Bulls fan, just set aside that future time in your calendar for the Kirk Hinrich jersey retirement and move on.
So for today, here are the rules. I will enforce them sporadically and potentially without reason:
- This is the first trade deadline thread of the day. Unless there is a confirmed trade with the Bulls (or it just gets too big), all your rumors and speculation go here.
- If there's another confirmed deal around the league not involving the Bulls, create a separate thread. I see there's already one up for that stunner between the Kings and Rockets last night.
- If the Bulls confirm another trade (I suppose getting this Milwaukee thing done counts depending on the timing), create another post if one isn't up already.
I love today.
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Today should be fun.
I am hoping the Bulls do something that either
1) Clears a lot more space for 2010 summer
or
2) Lands them a top player now (such as rumors that have occurred to date regarding Jefferson, Bosh, or Amare)
Yahoo Sports on the Salmons deal
They said they have “confirmed” that Salmons is being traded for Joe Alexander and Hakim Warrick, which makes much more sense from a win now, and also win later mindset for the Bulls. Salmons’ talent and scoring is roughly replaced by those two, and both contracts expire after this season though I believe both players have team options in their contracts.
IF Warrick is in fact being acquired by the Bulls, then I foresee Tyrus Thomas heading to New York along with Jerome James for Al Harrington. Another nice scoring option for the Bulls.
Another deal that has been speculated is Hinrich, Miller, and Pargo to the Kings for T-Mac, but I don’t see it. If the Bulls want T-Mac, they should just wait for the Kings to buy out his contract and get him for a lot cheaper.
link?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 8:32 AM CST up reply actions
The Bucks are expected to send center Francisco Elson(notes) and another player to the Bulls. Kurt Thomas was initially believed to be in the trade, but a league source said forward Hakim Warrick would more likely end up being the final piece.
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
by bull83 on Feb 18, 2010 8:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
ESPN has Alexander
4th paragraph from the bottom:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4923777
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I've always liked warrick
If tyrus isn’t in out future. I’ll can live with Warrick.
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I'm buying tickets for Feb. 20th. First home game after the trade deadline. Will I be happy?
by Yibs on Feb 18, 2010 8:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Isn't Joe Alexander awful?
Why would he be able to make up for any scoring?
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2010 8:40 AM CST up reply actions
where he should stay
for the rest of his short career.
by KT on Feb 18, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
trust me
I’ve seen him in action here. He sucks.
The only positive is that he’s a really good athlete.
"I want people to fear me"- Derrick Rose.
well then that means he should be on the team
so he can come in during garbage time and pull of some sweet jams
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
wow
i just looked up his profile, he’s white. NOthing wrong with that btw, just that I thought he was this bald guy I had a rookie card for
:::shrugs:::
RACIST!
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Funny
I’ll miss Salmons like I missed Nocioni, and I did and do miss Nocioni. Difference is Salmons ain’t paid poorly for his production, but I guess he was a luxury this year playing mostly out of position for us….odd thing is that he’s gonna play out of position in Milwaukee.
Oh well. A trade’s a trade adn for next year this trade is a big necessary move, so that’s a good thing.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Tyrus Thomas is still with the Bulls ?
The Bulls should at least get some 2nd round draft picks for him. Or the rights to some obscure European giant.
Even if no more trades are done by the Bulls
Exchanging Salmons’ contract for expirings is a big WIN for the Bulls!
It’d be really sweet if they can achieve a trade for an elite player (Bosh, STAT) and still have the cap room to sign a max FA this summer, but at least the specter of Salmons opting in has been vanquished.
Like the idea
Mike Miller & Critteon for Tyrus and J James. (I know Blatche is 1 of there few players left under contract)
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Don't you think Kurt would get the Harold Baines treatment? (# retired evn while active for another team)
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on Feb 18, 2010 8:33 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Replete with the Bainesian cermonial unretiring
when he takes over for [white point guard head coach-to-be-named] in 2016
by dr. lingerie on Feb 18, 2010 8:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He'll get the Ozzie Guillen treatment.
So, you better start showing the head coach of the 2018-2019 Bulls a little respect.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 9:19 AM CST up reply actions
wishful thinking
in a perfect world we do a sign and trade for bosh today and lock him up. but ill be happy if today we just get al harrington and dump tyrus.
i think we make a nice run in the playoffs with harrington then focus on bosh and wade in the off season
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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link saying it is warik and alexander, final
by Uncle Stanley McGoober on Feb 18, 2010 8:43 AM CST reply actions
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/NBA-trade-deadline-countdown-More-tweets-and-ta
by Uncle Stanley McGoober on Feb 18, 2010 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
Warrick and Elson would be the best deal
That combo would save about $1M compared to the other 2 reported combos while still getting the only useful player mentioned. It isn’t much, but with how close the team is to their self imposed hard cap the luxury tax threshold, that could come into play in other deals today.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
Despite KT's ancientness, I think he might be nice to have for a few minutes, especially in the playoffs
Elson will be out for a month or two, so he really doesn’t do anything.
Warrick… well, he’ll be fun to watch
watch it with those initials
Kurt leaving the Bucks would leave them with Gadz as the backup center, so that would be bad for the Bucks.
by KT on Feb 18, 2010 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, Elson is truly worthless
Kurt Thomas can still maybe play a bit.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that is not a confirmation
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
your mom is not a confirmation
elsewhere it says it will be warrick unless he is involved in another bucks trade in the works.
by Uncle Stanley McGoober on Feb 18, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
nice
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
I hate Al Harrington
Im in NY so i see him play all the time – the guy sucks, only reason he puts up numbers is cause he shoots all the time – get ready to have a new player you love to hate
"Where is my poster machine??"
I would hate to see Al playing for Chicago
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Ugly few months.
As a fan I’d rather see TT playing. Either way the player we have (Al or TT) won’t be here. Out of the two Al would give you the most headaches.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
tyrus
how can he give you more headaches than tyrus. The possibility of a random chuck from 25 feet out from harrington is more likely to go in than one of Tyrus’s special sauce/post up, hybrid small forward, finger roll/baby hook shots.
I guess on defense its the opposite but Noah and Taj can take care of that stuff…
by Sambossanova on Feb 18, 2010 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
Are you crazy?
Al Harrington is a huge upgrade over Tyrus Thomas. Harrington is three-point shooter and proven scorer. Tyrus was, well, nothing.
Dave P
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by Da Bulls' Eye on Feb 18, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
WOAAAH buddy
AL Harrington sucks
i watch him pplay every night on MSG
he has big numbers cause he plays on an uptempo offense that shoots a lot of threes and he takes waaay too many shots
the guy blows – hes never put up big numbers until he went to nyk where they have no one else better to shoot the ball
"Where is my poster machine??"
Al Harrington is proven like Drew Gooden
In that they both suck and I will spend the rest of the months insulting his manliness.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
we could use players who shoot alot
and don’t miss quite as much
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
ive never really seen him play
I kept asking my boi yest, what he thinks about AL but he kept mute, looking all giddy to get Tyrus. Asshole..i atleast told him that Tyrus takes alot of jumpers
McGraw speculates about the Bulls getting T-Mac in a package that would send Hinrich to the Kings
The Bulls are still intent on trading Kirk Hinrich and opening even more cap room for the summer. That’s their top priority in the final hours before the deadline.
Since the Kings saved money by trading Martin, maybe they’d be interested in Hinrich, who could be a nice veteran mentor to rookie guard Tyreke Evans. A couple of combinations would work – Hinrich, Brad Miller and Jannero Pargo, or Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas, Jerome James and Pargo.
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
I don't see it, but what do I know
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2010 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
well..
that would necessitate doing something with all that free money this summer. If he freed up the money and used it well, absolutely.
by NerdVernacular on Feb 18, 2010 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
Well if he frees it up
And no one wants to sign here, that’s not his fault (unless he turns them off somehow, but it’d be tough for a GM to do that). Only so much he can do. It’s his job to make it possible. If he frees up the cap room for them, he’s done his job.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 18, 2010 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
It's his fault if he's a bad salesman
or if he lets Jerry anywhere near the players. What if he spends 3 hours droning in monotone pitching Bosh and LeBron on thrust?
by NerdVernacular on Feb 18, 2010 9:33 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
hey, he could sell a college recruit an escalade.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
I agree
Like I said, if he turns them off, then yes it’s his fault.. but I don’t see that happening. The players don’t care too much about the GM. The things players care about the most, the Bulls can provide.
Max Contract.. Check.
Big Market.. Check.
Supporting Cast.. Check.
Good place to live.. Check.
somewhere way below this check list is “Is the general Manager a cool guy?”
Unless GarPax completely fuck it up, a player who wants to play here, will play here.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 18, 2010 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
you're completely forgetting Reinsdorf
there’s only a few guys who are no-brainer max deals. The rest call for ::ominous music:: the negotiator. Come to Phoenix!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
As long as Benny the Bull is there to meet free agents at the airport, we're in good shape.
by peruvianidol on Feb 18, 2010 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
He lost weight since the Mercer days...
so maybe free agents will find him more attractive.
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by Da Bulls' Eye on Feb 18, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with that
especially considering Hinrich’s current value to the team, which is meh. If he did the same thing with Deng it’s be more risky. But the opportunity to not pay Hinrich $9m next year isn’t exactly an opportunity lost
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah.. completely agree.
You can replace Hinrich relatively easily. Deng if you lose him, but don’t sign anyone, we could be in trouble. I’d rather do a sign and trade type deal if we do move Deng, for that reason. Big risk to just move him for expirings unless you are certain the big guns want to sign here.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 18, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
Chad Ford says Bulls expressed interest in Amare
http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-100217/daily-dime
If the Suns balk at making a deal with Miami, chances are they’re keeping Amare. The only other potential suitor may be the Chicago Bulls. A source said the Bulls expressed interest in Amare earlier in the week, but they’ve been quiet on the Amare front since then.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
let's hope they are quiet because Tech9's report is accurate
RE: Bulls have a substantial offer to Raptors for Bosh
Just give me ONE! And today would be kinda nice...
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2010 8:59 AM CST up reply actions
Don't you think if Deng, Noah
has been floated for Bosh that the Suns would demand something like that as well?
No..
Amare is not as good as Bosh.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 18, 2010 9:11 AM CST up reply actions
Sure, let them demand it. They have to decide how much they want to keep Amare
They don’t seem to want to.
interesting idea
I’m not sure about that, but I can see both sides of that. I do not like how Bullsspew has indoctrinated the public against Amare because he isn’t a grinder. The guy is fairly remarkable.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
I'm only against Amare
while Bosh is possible. It’s just that I know you can’t go wrong with Bosh, while Amare’s current team doesn’t believe he’s worth the max. I sincerely believe that Bosh is a top 5 player in the league right now while Stoudemire is around 20. Plus hes younger.
Amare is a great consolation prize, though.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
Bosh is definitely better than Amare
but if its between Amare as an FA and Bosh for Deng/Noah, I think I prefer Amare.. although I’m a pretty big Amare fan
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
But if they do Deng/Noah for Bosh
then we’d have money to sign another significant (if not max) FA on top of that.
If we just sign STAT straight-up, that’s all we’re getting.
well if we can guarantee bosh and a significant signing
i’m on board… still have night terrors from the last max free agent fiasco, dont have much faith in the org. to bring the guys in
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
I don't understand
You still have a choice.
If he works out here with Derrick he gets extended. If he opts out they can trade him (for BOSH) or renounce him. If he opts in he’s a huge expiring as part of a deal later in the season if he doesn’t work out.
There’s little downside in acquiring a player of his caliber.
Bosh isn’t guaranteed in the summer.
Has anyone figured out what we would do with both Warrick and Harrington?
How would the minutes split up? And would we have a cancerous situation with two potential free agents upset over lack of playing time?
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Im also not a fan.
I would rather let Tyrus expire this summer than AL unless NY is coughing up a 1st round pick
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I'd guess one of them gets the Tim Thomas treatment if it comes to it
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Ronald Reagan
Yesterday I read somewhere that Harrington could be shipped to another team
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
Let's hope that's the case
but I wonder who would be interested..
by NerdVernacular on Feb 18, 2010 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
I checked Bulls salaries for next year
Look here and subtract salmons salary from next year’s comitted salaries. The Bulls have around 31 million comitted for next year. Throw in cap holds and rookie contracts, and the Bulls should have right around 20million available. While this is all fine and dandy, they need more room to really change the team. I think a team of Rose/Hinrich/Deng/Bosh/Noah would be a very solid team, but I don’t see them contending unless Rose and Noah both improve drastically. The extra 4 million or so does not seem like it will be of much help.
GET RID OF HINRICH!
by DRose01 on Feb 18, 2010 9:09 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Bosh would probably be a sign and trade if you beleive all the reports
Which means you can wave bye bye to Deng and most likely Noah as well. But the upside is that once we do that we’ll still have enough cap space to add one max guy. Which could mean saying hello to D Wade, Joe Johnson or, in a total dream scenario, Lebron James. With that group of core players you could start me at center and the Bulls would still contend every year.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
The Bulls wouldn't have to match salaries
So, there’s a chance in a sign and trade they’d give up Deng or Noah, but Toronto would no longer have the leverage to demand both.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
Depends on the other offers they get
If another team offers a better package than the Bulls that gives the leverage to Toronto.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I think if Bosh was willing to sign an extension with us that's all the leverage they need
If the Bulls kept Noah, they’d have to pay Noah, Rose, Bosh and the other max guy BIG money, plus they’d have to fill out the roster. I’m sure for them, trading Noah would almost be the best move at that point. Reinsdorf isn’t exactly George Steinbrenner
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2010 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
I thought you were referring to a sign and trade of Bosh in the offseason
Yeah, if that deal happens today, the Bulls would have to give up Deng and Noah to make Toronto even consider. This summer, though, all the Bulls would need is for Bosh to pick them as his destination. Then, they could tell Toronto “we can sign him straight up or you can work out a deal with us.” A sign and trade would be preferable, if the rest of the cap space this summer is used similarly, the Bulls would still be able to use the MLE to help fill out the roster.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
No MLE when the team is under the cap or signs a free agent with open cap space that off season
However, if a team’s cap space is exhausted via trade, they can use the MLE. Toronto did it this past summer and is why they completed a sign and trade for Turkoglu instead of signing him outright (they signed Jarrett Jack to the MLE).
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
I guess it depends on who's on the roster at the time
Say the Bulls are 20 mil under.
Bosh can only sign for 16.58 mil with Toronto or Chicago. So a sign & trade doesn’t exhaust enough salary to make the MLE available. Toronto gets whatever trade exception is available to them, but the Bulls get the player and still have 3 mil of cap space with no MLE.
Right, it's not likely, but possible the team could pull off another trade or sign/trade
to exhaust the remainder of the cap room.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
The team only has to exhaust the cap room to the level of the MLE.
So, if they were to get to $3M in cap space, then they would still have access to the MLE assuming is stays +/- $5M.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 18, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think Rose needs to improve at all
If healthy, we’d contend with that team….and have $3-5M more for plug n play veterans who might actually want to come to Chicago for a role on a good team.
Nobody can guard Rose already and he’s improving by the day, Bosh and Noah would be the most athletic quick and solid 4/5 combo int he league. Deng’s a consistent 18-7 every night with solid defense, and Kirk is another PG who can get Bosh looks or Deng looks on the weak side and plays solid D….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
i dont like kurt, but i do think thats a contender if atlanta is considered a contender. and i consider them that.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
I got it
Bulls trade Kurt Himlick, TT and jermore James
To
Sac Town
For
Mc Nugget
Bulls want Mc Nugget Sac Town wants mentor Kurt and Young Athletic big TT and a little more exp junk. Works in the trade checker and given the recent dealings between these two teams i think it could happen. Unless of course the NYK throw the kitchen sink at em.
Why would Sacramento, one of the smalles markets in the league
wanna add another white, mediocre, overpaid point guard? It makes absolutely no sense. I don;t think they wanna pay 8 million dollars a year for a mentor
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2010 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
They are the ones who gave a contract to Udrih (think I spelled it right?)
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Yea they did (Yeah you did)
but what do you mean? Are you trying to say that that means they’ll be willing to make the same mistake twice?
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2010 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
lol
Just saying there is the possibilty.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Hope you're right:)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2010 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
just means they were dumb enough to make it once
which is all we need to know
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
They need a decent PG. Tyreke Evans is the shit, but he can't be your starting PG.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
sure he can
you say, ‘Reke, here’s the ball. All y’all, stand outside the 3-point line.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, and Kirk can hit those 3s, and do other things better than Udrih.
All that captain shit.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Decent is the same thing as mediocre buddy
And I’m sorry if that sounded racist, would you prefer “pigment challenged”?
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2010 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
Do yourself
a favor and instead of focusing on the color of ones skin focus on the trade itself. You wanna trash the trade proposal because of a white, mediocre, overpaid point guard but you fail to see that
A. they also would get salary cap relief in the form of fat boy jerome.
B. they get a good 30 game tryout of TT who plays better defense than anyone on thier team.
C. They get Kirk who by most standards is a pretty good basketball player and yes on the Bulls he is an overpaid back up but on the Kings would be a solid STARTER. Considering the majority of the players on that team are on rookie deals i dont think they would be hurting to much to pay for his exp.
Please don't make fun of fat people
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
it was odd that you led with 'white'.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
I'm a little lost here
What is the inference, that I’m racist against my own race? And I really don’t wanna open up a whole bag of worms, but I really don’t see anything wrong with someone making somewhat of a blanket statement that black players are usually better at basketball than white ones. I don’t have any statistical knowledge of the exact ratio of black/white players in the NBA, but I’m sure it’s pretty dramatic. If I sound like an idiot that’s fine, but I know for damn sure I’m not a racist
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
you're not being racist
simply racial. For no reason. So yeah, can of worms, idiot, all that.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
I would contend
that by merely bringing up the idea that the amount of melanin in his skin makes any difference whatsoever makes you, if not racist, at least conscious of race.
And considering that race does not really exist…
"I want people to fear me"- Derrick Rose.
My ex girlfriend was mixed
Was I aware of that? Yes. Did I give a shit? No. Does it make me racist because I was aware that she was half black? I hate this lame ass, over sensitivity bullshit. You guys can all pretend like you’re perfect, I’ll pass.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
Seriously..
Who cares, people need to get over this PC crap. No harm, no foul.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 18, 2010 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
No harm, but it was such a pointless comment to make in his original post.
I don’t care if Nelson Mandela said it.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
it turned into harm since we keep talking about it :)
but yeah, JBJ was being dumb and maybe now he’ll think twice, whether it’s mistakenly because he thinks we’re ‘over-PC’ or not, muahaha.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
again, there's a difference between racist and racial
why be racial? it was a dumb thing to say, and so you were told as much.
I hope your ex gets the rest of her male parts removed.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
what?
he meant mixed-gender, right?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
"It was a dumb thing to say, and you were told as much"
Who the hell are you? Fuck off.
Neil takes the fun out of funk
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, and by just saying that
my ex girlfriend has male parts, and doing so in a negative way, weren’t you basically just saying that I was gay? So what if I am gay, is that a problem?
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
that's true, I'd only hope for it if it was her/his wish for identity.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Yea ok, go ahead
crack a joke and make a snarky comment, you’re good at that. But it doesn’t change the fact that what you said is just as bad, probably worse, than what I said
Neil takes the fun out of funk
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
Who's Rudy? And what comments?
Neil takes the fun out of funk
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
I think the former NYC mayor.
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by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
you're right, it was phrased poorly
but I’m not going to get indignant defending it against ‘rampant PC-ness’, as you are.
The whole point is for you to talk less, and it’s failing.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Yea, you'll only get indignant when someone else says it
Neil takes the fun out of funk
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Just telling you where that comment stood.
and, king kong aint got shit on me, and all that.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
No big deal
yano, my point was just trash the trade proposal and leave it at that. I know what color Kirk is. Not trying to turn one of the coolest threads all year (trade deadline thread) into a racist fest just got a little hot about ragging on dudes skin tone. Just tell me my trade sucks donkey balls and we all move on or call me an idiot like YFB usually does and im happy.
So you think my trade offer sucks, cool!
no biggie
HE'S THE
CAPTAIN!!!!!!!!, they are bringing him in for his D, scrappiness, glue, and leadership for $9 mill, they need somebody to mentor and lead Tyreke Evans and the Kings
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 18, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
Big Time Contenders
Rose/Hinrich/Deng/Bosh/Noah… You really don’t think this team is contending???? I guess it depends on the other behemoths out there but I gotta believe we are in the running in 2 years with that starting 5 and some nice bench pieces. Right?
we got Bosh??!?!?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
That's part of the issue, who are those bench pieces?
Taj is solid, but we would need another draft pick to step up and sign someone solid with leftover money. I suppose if Noah continues to improve and Rose keeps playing like he has been feeling better, maybe they contend. I am still not sure I believe it. But, the Lakers, Nuggets and Celtics are getting older I suppose. However, there are some young up and coming teams that could be scary starting next year (read: OKC). I am a bit skeptical.
OK, my utter fantasy scenario
Unload Deng to the Suns for Beasley from the Heat in a 3 way, and then Kirk to the Kings for TMac
We still make the playoffs and we go into the summer with Rose/Noah/Beasley and cap space for two max guys.
Like this
Trade Machine link Just imagine the Kings instead of the Rockets
1. Suns get under the tax, get Deng
2. Heat get Amare and Grant Hill for Beasley and change. They keep Wade.
3. Bulls get Beasley, TMac, and space for two “full boat” guys, as Jerry Krause so lovingly called them before they wouldn’t take the Bulls money.
So the targets would be Johnson and Bosh
This would help the Heat keep Wade and I don’t think Lebron is leaving Cleveland.
Rose/Johnson/Beasley/Bosh/Noah
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
error!!
i wouldnt mind that trade,my bad lol
by CuTler2bearz on Feb 18, 2010 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
rumors!
just curious as to where everyone is getting the rumors from??
This is a little variation on what we've already heard:
The Chicago Bulls and Milwaukee Bucks were nearing completion of the John Salmons trade Thursday morning. However, although the early word last night was that the Bucks would send Kurt Thomas and Francisco Elson to the Bulls, sources close to the process told ESPN.com this morning that there is a “90 percent chance” Milwaukee sends Chicago Joe Alexander and Hakim Warrick instead.
Why the change? Last night the Bucks were also exploring an alternative deal that would send Warrick to another team. However, those talks began to fizzle as the night wore on. If they heat back up today, then the Bucks can still insert Thomas and Elson (if necessary) back into the Salmons deal.
Hopefully Warrick stays in the deal, although if we’re getting Harrington it isn’t really a must I guess.
Neil takes the fun out of funk
Warrick
is pretty much a slightly less-athletic Tyrus who has some idea what he is doing.
I like it=)
"I want people to fear me"- Derrick Rose.
I like him better than Al Harrington, too
So I hope the Bulls hang on to Tyrus for the rest of the year, unless they can get someone like Bosh or STAT.
he's smaller.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
He's smaller than Harrington as well...
and how are people so low on Harrington. He’s a good 3-point shooter and good scorer. What exactly don’t people like?
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by Da Bulls' Eye on Feb 18, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
he's a ballhog?
I think the 3-point shooting puts Harrington over the top too, but since Warrick is here there’s no need to seek out Harrington
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
ugh. the bulls are getting him in a year hes shooting sub 32% from 3 and taking
6.6 threes per 36 mins. if the bulls need that kind of shooting why not keep tyrus and tell him to take a few threes each game.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
have u ever seen him play???
he shooots too much
he shoots like shit
i rather have dino radja out there shootin threes than al harrington
"Where is my poster machine??"
warrick's athleticism is extremely overrated
he can run and jump, but he doesn’t really know how to use it, hence, he’s never been a particularly good shot blocker. he’s a decent player, but to me a much better comparison is a skinnier taj than a less athletic tyrus
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
see my previous post
sure, he has athleticism, and all that athleticism looks nice, but he doesnt use it when he plays. im probably the only resident syracuse fan on this blog, and warrick drove me crazy for 4 years at syracuse. he’s a decent player, but temper your expectations with this guy. he’s nothin special.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
ive obviously watched him in the nba too
i follow all syracuse guys when they get to the pros.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
amen calogero
you spend more time on this blog than i do, but I’m lurking in the shadows, just reading most of the time. you’re right about Hakim, I got to watch him for his last 2 years at cuse, so naturally I’m a little excited right now, but then again this whole day is exciting for the Bulls. I can’t get any work done today.
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by chicagocuse on Feb 18, 2010 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
joe alexander is a freak athlete much like tyrus.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on Feb 18, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
and so it begins
people REALLY think Tyrus Thomas sucks if they compare his relative underachievement to that of Joe Alexander. Crimeny.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah
At least Skiles didn’t send Tyrus to the effin’ D-League.
by CrashDavis on Feb 18, 2010 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
lol just sayin. hes got some potential.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on Feb 18, 2010 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
Stein and Ford on Amare...from twitter
STEIN_LINE_HQ Just filed: Suns owner Sarver confirms to ESPN.com that he told Amare last night in closed-door meeting that Amare unlikely to be traded
chadfordinsider Just filed: Amare’s agent to ESPN.com “Anything can happen, but [a trade] seems unlikely.”
48 minutes of intensity...RIP NVL.
So with the way rumors tend to go
I’ll interpret that as being the STAT has already cleaned out his locker. :P
yeah, and last night
amare’s agent said he was going to be traded.
so whatever.
anything can happen. still got 4 hrs.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I love today.
Me too, its like lose-your-virginity day..well for meeee
by Belize on Feb 18, 2010 10:04 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
WOW
i dont know how to respond to that lol
by bullzfan148 on Feb 18, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
so you lost your virginity
after waiting to be informed whether a deal would go through for hours?
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
AP is saying it's Warrick/Alexander
That might be as good of a confirmation as we get. No new thread yet though :-p
This is a better talent haul, though don’t expect Alexander to escape Ft. Wayne. If they trade Tyrus, they still could use another backup C instead of Al Harrington, which Warrick pretty much duplicates.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:14 AM CST reply actions
I'm all for it
If Tyrus is still on the team by the end of the day, things will turn out kinda awkward.
Awkward meaning the knock on Tyrus coming out of college is that he’s just another Warrick, which was our fear
I have a Bosh question.
Assuming Toronto sign and trades him who would the Bulls include in that?
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Noah and Deng I guess
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
I think it would be very little
We’ve got max cap space as leverage
the signing team has all the leverage in an s&t
im guessing very, very little. maybe a draft pick and taj or jj. it’s wishful thinking on my part, but if the FA wants to go to the new team, the new team has very little incentive to do the s&t other than keeping the FA happy by offering him 6 years and/or more money.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
Sheridan: Talks with Spurs broke down
The Bulls had been in discussions with the Spurs on a deal that would have sent Salmons to San Antonio for Roger Mason and Matt Bonner, but those talks died.
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/13433/talking-salmons-robinson-and-harrington (via Project Spurs)
Wonder who said no.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:25 AM CST reply actions
me too
we need bigs.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
meh, it depends on what we do with tyrus
if we keep tyrus i kind of like the SA haul; bonner can play a little and mason is an improvement— albeit a slight one— over pargo or dev brown
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
or Devin Brown
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
warricks a nicer version of taj
and alexander can do sweet dunks
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
alexander will never see the court
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
all i know is that he was exciting in college
and may or may not have been in the dunk contest
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
arent you the same guy who just said this to me regarding college play?
“yeah because everyone in the nba plays like they did in college”
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
i just said he was exciting in college
thats all. i didnt say hed be good or bad in the nba because of it or anything
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
He's a better offensive player than Tyrus, everything else is inferior.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
i think youre talking about warrick
most of these comments are in regards to alexander, who is worthless
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
Wow, holy crap I can't read.
Yeah, Joe Alexander is terrible. And he wasn’t even in the dunk contest.
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by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
the MSG announcers last night
were like “maybe tyrus should be in the dunk contest!”
LOL
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
he was such a rebel badass at that time
wearing the headband in spit of skilesdorf
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
He was still 100 times better than Gerald Wallace and Shannon Brown.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
i think his only problem was that he couldnt have cared less about that dunk contest
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
no it was just funny
cause they clearly had no recollection that he had already been in it.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I actually don't remember who was in that dunk contest.
I had to look up who won.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
THOMAS Wwasss nasstyyy
ive never seen what he did
he dunked over ben gordon
and RIPPED THE net offf the hoop!
cmonn man thats throwin it down harrrrd big man
"Where is my poster machine??"
No, he wasn't.
He was one of the players to be selected via fan vote, but Rudy Fernandez got that spot.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Holy shit who cares.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
where did i ever say he'd be good because he was in the dunk contest
all i stated was that he may have possibly been in the dunk contest
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
turns out he was never in the dunk contest anyway
did we get amare yet?
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
no
he was so bad last year that milwaukee declined their team option for his 3rd year. he’s been hurt part of this year and the rest of the time he’s been in the D-league. i’ll be stunned if he ever comes up from the D-league, much less even gets on the court for us
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
Prolly
the Bulls. With Noah down right now they cant afford to loose TT. With Brads contract a big chip in play right now they cant afford to loose TT for peanuts. This must be killin them.
Why can they not afford it?
They aren’t trying to win this year. They can pick up a guy out of the D League to take minutes.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 18, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Bulls found a better deal and moved on
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
nah
Bonner + Mason is two rotation players. Warrick is just one.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Sam Sam Sam
Hinrich, by the way, seems likely now to get a shot at breaking Ben Gordon’s Bulls record of three pointers made. He needs to make three more and there were rumors he could be traded. It seems now the Bulls will keep their starters.
Which also would seem to enhance the Bulls’ free agent desirability.
I’m assuming is speculation but reading the word “likely” still made me cringe
Sam just make shit up
Which also would seem to enhance the Bulls’ free agent desirability.
According to who?
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2010 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
seriously
i highly doubt any of these guys give a shit if hinrich is on the team or not
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
Sam also said yesterday
that they might not need one because Rose is better than Wade.
Sam’s batty, and is just saying crazy stuff because’s old and doesn’t give a shit. It’s kindof fun, actually.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
McGraw on Hinrich
Bulls trying to sell the Kings on Hinrich.
The Bulls are still intent on trading Kirk Hinrich and opening even more cap room for the summer. That’s their top priority in the final hours before the deadline.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
please sacramento
trade for hinrich. Even a rotation player that is useful while shaving off 4 milion plus would be extremely useful. Even if the bulls dont get max space for two players, they can sign a shooting guard who can actually shoot and doesnt need the ball to play off rose and bosh (sort of reminds me of ben gordon).
Hinrich though is the least useful of all players cause they arent going to use him in a sign and trade situation…no one wants hinrich at that price, while some rotation role player at 5 million a year on a short contract is much more likely to be used.
by Sambossanova on Feb 18, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
Just take on Sasha why not?
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
yeah seriously
if sac wont’ do it, shed kirk, its worth it even with vujacic coming back
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
i agree
taking on sasha and morrison for kirk/pargo would free up about 4 million in cap space this summer, and i dont think there’s much difference between kirk and sasha. kirk is definitely better because he can back up the point and play defense, but sasha is younger, and to me the small drop off in talent is worth the extra cap space
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
by Calogero on Feb 18, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
not to mention
vujacic only has one year(?), we’d be on the hook for kirk for an additional year i believe
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
yup theres that too
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
itd be nice to have a 3 pt shooter too
arent the bulls the worst 3 pt shootin team in the league??
"Where is my poster machine??"
yes, though
sasha is really no better a 3 pt shooter than kirk
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
but hes from the balkans
and so is Peja
sooo
thats gotta count for somethin
"Where is my poster machine??"
Also, with Vujacic and Noah, we'd become the most hated team in the NBA.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
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by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Tyrus to Charlotte?
The Bobcats, determined to add an athletic big man to their front court, are close to landing Tyrus Thomas in a deal with the Bulls that would send expiring contracts and a future No. 1 pick to Chicago, a person with knowledge of the situation told CBSSports.com.
While the source cautioned that the details were still being resolved and that the deal was pending final approval, it appears that Thomas will secure his exit from Chicago. The Bobcats would then have the rest of the season to evaluate the soon-to-be restricted free agent and decide whether to commit to him long-term. Trading Thomas spares the Bulls the embarrassment of losing one of their best players through free agency with no compensation for the second year in a row.
If successful in landing Thomas, Charlotte would circumvent discussions between the Knicks and Bulls involving a swap centered around Al Harrington.
http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/20119740
Charlotte cannot trade their pick until 2016 or something
they owe it conditionally to the TWolves, so they can’t promise any draft compensation until that is completed.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
we could do the old knicks swap picks trick right?
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
yup, that's an option.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
i dig it
eff harrington, if we’re dealing t2 i hope its for a pick
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
no sarcasm for me
I’m watching more Bobcats games from here on out.
Interesting that the Bulls are so set on helping their rivals for the last playoff spots, but it’s almost reassuring that they don’t care about that as much as 2010 cap space (and moving problem child Tyrus because they’re lazy).
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
I like that idea better
but doesn’t Charlotte not have a 1st rounder for like the next two years? I thought I read that somewhere…
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2010 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
If it's 3 years down the line, that's fine
MJ is about to buy the franchise, having a future Bobcats 1st is a very good thing.
by YaoPau on Feb 18, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Get Gerald Henderson with that pick please.
ShipTileDirect.com - Why pay expensive retail prices? When you can ShipTileDirect at a fraction of the cost.
I meant
Henderson + Pick. Purely speculation. Larry Brown hates rookies.
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charlottes expirings are:
felton- 5.5 mill
law- 2.2 mill
flip murray- 1.9 mill
i don’t really see how this works, although i wouldnt mind getting felton and a number 1 back for tyrus
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
even with kirk here he makes sense
felton can play the 2, and he’s better than brown or pargo
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
Flip Murray and Acie Law plus a 1st rounder.
I doubt they give Felton away, but that would be a huge haul for Tyrus.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
shit youre right
it would probably be murray and law; i was thinking tyrus made more than 4.7 mill this year.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
also not knowing the numbers yet from the salmons deal
taking on felton for tyrus could put us into the tax, which is obviously a no-no
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
Could throw in Pargo
If that’s the problem.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 18, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
who
would we be getting in return tho??
by CuTler2bearz on Feb 18, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Draft pick? Awesome.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
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by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure a 1st round pick is a desired outcome for the Bulls
Depending on how high it is, and what year, this might be a hindrance toward a max FA.
It would be nice having Al Harrington though. He’s a decent player.
charlotte doesn't have a 2010 first rounder
http://www.realgm.com/src_future_draftpicks.php
at least they probably dont
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
i dont have a link
but i think losing that pick this year is protected. i dont know what the protection is though
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
the link i supplied includes the protection
which is top 12 this year (they’re outside of that right now)
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
Charlotte is likely to make the playoffs, and half the Bulls' roster is set to not come back.
If they draft right, getting 2 solid bench players and obtaining a max FA is pretty impressive.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
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by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Bucher . .
Sources say Cha is likeliest destination for Bulls’ Ty Thomas right now, in exchange for expiring contracts. Flip Murray/Acie Law works.
adam morrison was good in the WAC
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
WCC
man, you really dont follow college at all
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
not since the restraining orders
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
what a stupid trade if we don't get draft picks
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
but Tyrus and the coach don't get along!
wait, the coach is on an expiring deal too…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
sure
bye Chris Richard
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I like that Flip Murray + A.C. Law
is sparing embarrassment. It’s still quite embarrassing.
But whatever. If Warrick is here it makes sense to deal Tyrus for guards, and…well, they are guards!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
not really
murray and law suck
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
they would, but we'd still have 4 decent enough big men, plus jj or richard
rose-kirk-law-murray-brown-pargo-hunter-deng-warrick-noah-miller-taj-jj-alexander/richard
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
why, all those guys stink
maybe Flip doesn’t as much, but he replaces Salmons.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
He is, but Murray isn't Devin Brown. He's a good defensive player at least.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, I'm saying Murray should play, but his minutes don't replace Kurt
as much as they replace Salmons. Law (or Brown or Pargo) don’t create any redundancy for Hinrich becuase they’re awful.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, i don't know how its any less embarrassing to deal him for 2 expiring contracts
it looks like the Bulls are just rearranging chairs on the titanic. I don’t understand the point of any trade that doesn’t clear up cap room or nets us a draft pick
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2010 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think the Bulls do this unless it gets us a pick
Bucher is just assuming what players are in the deal, not picks
RealGM is reporting that
Charlotte would be including a future 1st, in addition to the players mentioned.
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64834/20100218/bobcats_close_to_deal_for_tyrus_thomas/
I think the best part is it's a long shot he goes to NY
And then tortures us all with those D’Antoni numbers
They're throwing VDN a bone
need more guys who at least stand in the right spots, even if they blow.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
hunter pargo and law should never play though
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
Who cares? 29 games left. If Noah doesn't play they suck regardless.
And more opportunities for Rose to stat-pad like crazy.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
we know Hunter won't play
and honestly I think that Devin Brown experiment is over already. Plus we have to deal Pargo so he gets coveted playing time :)
There’s no logjam if you don’t want those guys on the court in the first place, is all I’m saying.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
The point I was trying to make is that I know they won't be playing
BUT to have nearly half your roster consist of guys 6’4 or under is hilarious.
But also like Ozzie Montana said above, there are only 29 games left to the hell with it
and that could only mean one thing, right?
Hinrich might be traded!
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
nice. MJ helping us out.
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by sonofapsycho on Feb 18, 2010 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
and with reinsdork, there's always this element:
law + murray = 4.1 mill
tyrus = 4.7 mill
600 k to spend on the chisox!
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
by Calogero on Feb 18, 2010 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
ah, there's the rub
makes up for the $600k more we took on in the Brown-Gray swap. (not racial)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry for being dim
But why does TT need to be traded at all? He’s effectively an expiring contract — the Bulls just need to renounce his rights (like Orlando did with Darko to create more room to sign Rashard Lewis) to create cap room, right? Am I missing something?
by bigintangibles on Feb 18, 2010 10:48 AM CST reply actions
i think the goal is to get a draft pick in return
but if its just for expirings, i agree with you
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
Well, if they don't get future 1st round picks
out of any deal for Tyrus – in addition to expiring contracts – then it’s a retarted move and as much (undeserved) crap the Bulls’ FO gets on this site, I seriously doubt they’d trade Tyrus just to get rid of him.
Saves the organization the embaressment
of losing a #2 pick for nothing.
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no, it's pretty nonsensical
the only thing I can think of is that the VDN-Tyrus beef is worse than we know, and Tyrus was just told to be cool until the deadline. Still a pretty cruddy reason, but it was never a good idea to value VDN over Tyrus.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
Hopefully
It doesn’t bite us on the ass like how Phoenix valued Terry Porter over Marion and SSOL.
by bigintangibles on Feb 18, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
Bucher
Deal would be Thomas for Law, Murray and protected future 1st-round pick. Not done, but other suitors for Ty believe it will happen.
(via Twitter)
by bigintangibles on Feb 18, 2010 10:52 AM CST reply actions
It does't get better than this!
Almost too much information. I’m at work trying to keep up with this. If we get Warwick shipping Tyrus for a #1 pick would make sense. We need to know if it is protected.
BOOM
John Salmons’ deal is done, too — to Mil for Joe Alexander and Hakim Warrick. If my tweeps already know that, apologies. (Ric Bucher on Twitter)
by bigintangibles on Feb 18, 2010 10:56 AM CST reply actions
whoop whoop.
So basically Warrick
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Bucher has a hot
twitter background
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
thanks for the scouting report.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Also, Scott Skiles hates young people.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Feb 18, 2010 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
He has great court vision, what 30 assist man wouldn't love that.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Feb 18, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
KC
League sources said the Bulls and Bobcats have held discussions centered on Thomas for expiring contracts and future first-round picks. Along those lines, Hakim Warrick is definitely coming from the Bucks with Joe Alexander in the John Salmons’ trade.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Woj
Another team executive, who had been interested in Thomas, told Y!, “We’re out of it now. I think (the Bulls) are getting their deal.”
Have to wait and see
What the protections are.
by bigintangibles on Feb 18, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
killer deal for the Bobcats, too
they have a gaping hole at PF and they’re over the cap for the next couple years regardless, so might as well take a chance on Tyrus (and potentially re-signing him)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
yea but good luck with Larry Brown Tyrus
"Where is my poster machine??"
by markoni22 on Feb 18, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
heh, yeah that could be fun.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
And if Tyrus fails to work with
yet another coach – and Larry Brown, the only guy who could reign in AI – then I think everyone needs to accept that TT will never be able to get out of his own way and become the star that his skills suggest.
as long as a team is willing to give him chances
then there are chances he gets it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
True enough
But at some point he’ll stop getting chances. And you’ll be hard-pressed to find a coach that’s “better” than Larry Brown. His teams almost always play better under him than before or after his short stay.
Brown will get the most out of Thomas
we just have to see what the “most” means. I think he is going to do well there.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
tyrus will be back
old as hell like Miller, but he’ll be back..hopefully during the next dynasty days
::::knocks on wood::::
He can still be useful as hell on the Bobcats.
Be a garbage-time offensive player and destroy teams on defense. That’s the Larry Brown way anyways.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Good luck with Tyrus, Larry Brown
Dave P
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by Da Bulls' Eye on Feb 18, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Pargo
still has a request.
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what's his market value? 15 mil?
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Feb 18, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
So the Bulls will pay him double that, right?
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Feb 18, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
and signing him to an extension?
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Feb 18, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
We now have a slew of really bad guards!
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
pass to derrick!
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
yeah from 1998
Like Urlacher’s barbwire!
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
he does
or else how would he ever get past anyone on those fake/drives…seriously its probably one of the best in the league considering how slow he is but manages to use it.
by Sambossanova on Feb 18, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
thus the AND 1 Tattoo
thats his game
commentator : pass to miller….miller…head fake…shot…goood! AND 1!!!
"Where is my poster machine??"
Zing
It’s nice to see Flip Murray likely come to the team that understands his terribly inefficient game the best.
by Option27 on Feb 18, 2010 11:04 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
ha, how true
yet we understand headbands the least, so it evens out.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Time for a new thread?
On Tyrus to the cats? I dunno how the rules work…
by bigintangibles on Feb 18, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Bulls are corporate yo!
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
So exactly when is this 1st round pick? 2015?
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Charlotte has the 8th spot for playoffs now.
If they make the playoffs, Bulls get the pick this year? You would think the addition of TT would help them. Maybe Miami can be bumped out of the playoffs :)
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i thought you can't be without 1st round pick
2 years in a row?
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
by Illini0509 on Feb 18, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You are correct
So something weird is going on
"I skim a LOT of what gets said here
in a race to put in a smirky retort."
-your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2009 4:52 PM EDT
well 'future' first round pick
isn’t that weird, i just think it isn’t necessarily the 2011 pick… doesn’t really matter so long as its a future 1st
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
Bobcat = Playoffs so this summer
Right?
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no
the pick is top 12 protected, if the bobcats make the playoffs it goes to the twolves (?)
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
Best scenario for the Bulls is that
out of Milwaukee, Miami, Charlotte and Chicago, Miami is the odd team out.
They don't own
their pick this year. It’s owed to another team. If they make the playoffs that other team gets the pick. Then future protected… well however the Bulls get credited for it.
I don't want this day to ever end!
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
I do
with hinrich on a different team.
by Sambossanova on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Well thats what I meant.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
San Pedro Ambergris Caye
i’ve been going every year for like 10 years
"Where is my poster machine??"
good pick!
I love that place…you staying @ Ramons? (prob my fav resort)
btw..go to the BC’s…its a bar, on the beach in front of the airstrip and ask for the duck fart. trust me
ha ariight
nahh no Ramons, Caye Casa up near Patajos other end of the island – ill hit up some duck farts then watch chicken shit bingo
"Where is my poster machine??"
aww man
chicken shit bingo >>>>>>>>
Patajo’s is awesome, I wanted to stay there last time but they were fixing it. Nice prices. Ohhh..since you by Patojo’s , there’s a place called “Dready’s”..ask for the Coco-Loco. Its a drink that taste so good, you wont know why your legs are woobly
yup
Raised in the City by Canal Street, moved to Coro..until i was in my teens. Now I just go back and forth
I think last year I was just more surprised.
I didn’t really pay attention.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Nothing new but it's been agreed on
Chicago has agreed in principle to trade Tyrus Thomas to Charlotte for Flip Murray, Acie Law and a future first round pick, a source tells Y
http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA
Still no word on when that pick is for
Forman is working well
I like the job he done so far. If only he could trade Hinrich
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
by bull83 on Feb 18, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not a Kurt hater
I’m a cap space lover
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
by bull83 on Feb 18, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
jeez, now if the Kirk to LA happens...
Joe Alexander vs. Adam Morrison in practice!
that’ll be like the MJ/Pipp days at Berto.
by M 80 on Feb 18, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I've never been so excited over receiving lesser players.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
According to ESPN
They’re carrying 14 players pre-trades. Tyrus trade adds one, and Salmons trade adds one more, so they’re at 16. I guess they need to waive one of the four (I’m guessing Alexander or Law).
by bigintangibles on Feb 18, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
richard's only on a 10 day contract anyways
don’t they just cut him?
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
True.
That makes sense. Too bad, I was liking him.
by bigintangibles on Feb 18, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
no because surprisingly
hes useful compared to alexander, who was exciting in college
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
richard's great
when he doesn’t have to touch the ball on offense (except for rebounds). has he made a shot, other than a couple of put back dunks? his offense makes ben wallace look like kobe bryant. it’s awful.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Hollinger
Chatting on ESPN.com now.
Let’s bombard him with Bulls questions.
by bigintangibles on Feb 18, 2010 11:13 AM CST reply actions
HEY HOLLINGER DO YOU THINK DITKA WILL BE ABLE TO PULL OFF THIS LEBRON TRADE OR WHAT? GO BULLS
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
by Jbasic89 on Feb 18, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I asked him if he thinks Hinrich will be traded today
Let’s see if he answers
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
Kirk Hinrich is next.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
warricks gonna be the steal of the deadline
you heard it here first
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
by Jbasic89 on Feb 18, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
done deal?
Update No. 2: Yahoo! reports that this deal has now been formally agreed upon.
by CuTler2bearz on Feb 18, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
LOL
“i like big bucks and i cannot lie, as the bulls get expiring contracts”
You're my assistant! You're supposed to back me up and go get me juiceboxes whenever I want. Now go get me a juicebox!
by chibullsfan03 on Feb 18, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Acie Law is the great nephew of Ernie Banks
IT WAS MEANT TO BE!
UNLESS YOU’RE A SOX FAN!
OR DON’T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT BASEBALL!
OR THINK THAT ACIE LAW DOES, ACTUALLY, SUCK!
Hmmm
Tyrus for murray and acie law, why dont i like this…..It adds more crappy guards, and it helps make the best defensive team in the league the bestiest (made up word), and i would rather have a first rounder for this year, so that we can package it with the pick we already have to just get one player that is good this year (evan turner?)
I hope this isnt completely official yet or theres another deal in the works….i was looking forward to some chances of tmac…..
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Reserve final judgement for after 2pm
We’ll see how this move fits in the context of all the others, especially if more moves happen (i.e. Hinrich)
cpt kirk
I honestly dont see him being traded, I think they are done now that they got rid of tyrus…hopefully im wrong!!
new thread is up.
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